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Speaker 1: Here the duplessy la.

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Speaker 2: The judge at former Green Emp Goalers garment sentencing hearing

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Speaker 2: has reserved her decision. Now Garman pled guilty to shoplifting

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Speaker 2: almost nine thousand dollars worth of clothing from several high

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Speaker 2: end retailers. The judge did say at the outset of

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Speaker 2: the hearing that she wouldn't be given garment in any

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Speaker 2: prison time. Harold reporter Craig Capitan wasn't called high Craig.

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Speaker 1: Hi, how are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? So why has the judge reserved the decision?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there are a lot of eyes watching this,

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Speaker 1: probably a lot more than a normal best case, so

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Speaker 1: it makes sense that she'd want to make sure she

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any mistakes. She's going to write it all

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Speaker 1: down and release the whole decision in writing on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: The defense wants a discharge without conviction.

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Speaker 1: Why well, they say, obviously she was going through a

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Speaker 1: mental health crisis. Basically, who in the right mind would

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Speaker 1: risk of their career for something like this. They produced

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Speaker 1: a mental health report suggesting that she suffered complex PTSD

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Speaker 1: which as a result of her early life in Iran,

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Speaker 1: and that quote public viitual threats and abuse that dominated

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Speaker 1: her time in parliament. They even pointed out that at

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Speaker 1: one point her security detail was as intense as for

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister because of the threats she was receiving.

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Speaker 1: So so they said, this is all linked to her

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Speaker 1: mental health and as such she should be given the

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Speaker 1: little leeway. Yeah, Crown doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Sound like Crown doesn't sound like it's buying that argument

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Speaker 2: at all, does it.

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Speaker 1: No, they are. Yeah, they said that the link between

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Speaker 1: mental health and the depth was spurious at best. They

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Speaker 1: pointed out that yes, she did have mental health issues,

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Speaker 1: that's that's much as known, but there was a premeditated

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Speaker 1: nature to the offending. It was three stores on four occasions,

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Speaker 1: and the most obvious explanation might just be that she's

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Speaker 1: simply one of the items. As a former lawyer, she

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Speaker 1: should have known better. And this basically a discharge without

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Speaker 1: conviction wouldn't necessarily mean that she could practice again. So

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Speaker 1: what's the point. You could tell they were taking it

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Speaker 1: seriously because Consolicitor Elisha McClintock was there. She's the highest

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Speaker 1: ranking prosecutor in Central Auckland in north in the North Shore.

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Speaker 2: So she wants to practice as a lawyer again, does she.

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Speaker 1: It certainly sounds that way. I mean, and if you

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Speaker 1: think about it, what else is there She's she's not

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Speaker 1: going to be a politician again, it seems, unless she

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Speaker 1: has a remarkable comeback. So she has this law degree.

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Speaker 1: She hasn't been allowed to practice law while she's in parliament.

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Speaker 1: That's just a standard rule. But now she has to

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Speaker 1: start thinking about what she does with her life from here,

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Speaker 1: and obviously using that law degree, either for crimo defense

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Speaker 1: work again or for human rights law would make sense

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Speaker 1: if she was allowed to.

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Speaker 2: Craig, thank you very much, appreciate it. Mite. That's Craig

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