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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Ryan Bridge on Heather dupericy Ellen Drive with

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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon at a seven after before coming

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Speaker 2: up on the program. Winston Peters on his rail fairies,

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Speaker 2: health and safety is getting a bit of a shake up.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you the details on that from postcab Just

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Speaker 2: happening now. Nikola Willis on the supermarkets, that's after six,

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Speaker 2: and Damien Mackenzie signs a new deal with ns that

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Speaker 2: Bridge Bridge, Well, today is all about the fairies and

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Speaker 2: the fairies. The fairies of the cook straight variety are coming,

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters tells us, but very slowly. In fact, they

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Speaker 2: haven't even been ordered yet. In fact, they haven't even

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Speaker 2: We want them to be two hundred meters long and

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Speaker 2: As for the term bussy, well that's slightly more complicated.

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Speaker 3: Hello Ryan, how are you really good?

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Speaker 2: Thanks? You were quite heavily involved in setting up shop

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Speaker 2: To be honest, why do you think they're not here?

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Speaker 3: They're a pretty conservative life. I don't have much to

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Speaker 2: And yeah, we've definitely tried to get them on a

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Speaker 2: of trying. Hey what's with Costco having one store? Do

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Speaker 2: Or like what is that?

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Speaker 2: Right, Patrick, You've helped us with a lot more than that,

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Speaker 2: so I appreciate your time. Patrick, Noon, managing director, former

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Speaker 2: I hope Nikola talks to this bloke before she destroys

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Speaker 2: KEYWI owners of food stuff stores. Janet's a good point

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Speaker 2: Brook van Velden, who's the Workplace Minister. She is at

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Speaker 7: Get I Ryan?

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Speaker 2: How I am good? Thank you? Damien McKenzie re signing.

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Speaker 2: Where does he sit in the first five pecking order?

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Speaker 4: Actually, I'm going to have to apologize, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: all consumes to get this weird feedback thing happening only

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Speaker 2: But when you hear Chloe and Madamer stand there and

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Speaker 4: Something about the feedback I'm getting all feedbacks of gifts

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Speaker 2: Well, your feedbacks the way that we want. So tell

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Speaker 2: He'd be over in Australia. This is coming up after

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Speaker 2: with us after the news. Right now, it's bussygate in

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Speaker 2: So then the Greens and Response hold their own press conference.

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Speaker 9: So what is bussy galot? What does bussy ga law mean?

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Speaker 9: What does it mean with all those photographs? Why have

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Speaker 9: You journalists were asked every other member of Parma there

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Speaker 10: Honestly, I'm just not really that interested in getting into

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Speaker 2: Her argument was that quote, you guys don't understand the context.

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Speaker 10: Members of many minority communities, the Rainbow community included oftentimes

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Speaker 2: Madam and Davidson was there. She says that Benjamin Doyle's

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Speaker 2: So there you go. That's both sides of this. Where

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Speaker 1: Four Bene recamping the day's big news and making tomorrow

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Speaker 8: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. Twenty four minutes away from five news talks,

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Speaker 2: there'd be We've got Winston Peters on the fairies after five,

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Speaker 2: Finally, this afternoon, a rugby fan in the UK has

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: Joining us the Satternoon. Jake Patrick six PR PERS Live

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Speaker 2: presenter Our Australia correspondent, Jake Good afternoon, Good to have

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Speaker 2: Goodness, a very very sad situation. Indeed, now the Prime

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Speaker 12: It's a big debate, the energy and cost of living

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Speaker 12: debate here in Australia at the moment. On the other

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Speaker 12: side of politics, the Liberals and the Coalition are preparing

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Speaker 12: to release their own modeling soon on the impact of

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Speaker 12: their controversial gas plan. That's also links into Wa because

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Speaker 12: we're the only state in Australia that has a gas

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Speaker 12: reservation plan in place, which means we're lucky enough to

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Speaker 12: have cheaper power bills over here. So that'll be a

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Speaker 12: big talking point whether the gas reservation policy is what

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Speaker 12: voters are looking for with the coalition or the greener

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Speaker 12: energy path with what the Prime Minister is looking to

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Speaker 12: go down with these home batteries. So that'll be interesting

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Speaker 12: to play out over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Interesting stuff, Jake, Thank you very much for that. Jake

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Speaker 2: Batrick with US six PR Perth Line present to our

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Speaker 2: Australia correspondent this afternoon eighteen away from five Brian Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Soper has had a lot to digest today, hasn't

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Speaker 2: he with old Bussy Gates. So we'll talk to him

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Speaker 2: about that. He'll run us through what the big players

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Speaker 2: are saying in all of this situation, but also the ferries.

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Speaker 2: We've got the supermarkets lots for our barrier to talk

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Speaker 2: us through. Trump has at the weekend made headlines for

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Speaker 2: another answry. This was overnight made headlines for another reason.

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Speaker 2: It's the idea that he will seek a third term,

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Speaker 2: which obviously you can't do. The constitution in the US

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Speaker 2: prevents you from doing this. But his words, A lot

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Speaker 2: of people would like me to do that. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: I basically tell them we have a long way to go.

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Speaker 2: This is in a phone interview with NBC. I'm focused

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Speaker 2: on the current term. He then says there are methods

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Speaker 2: which you could do it with. I'm not joking, he says,

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Speaker 2: it is far too early to think about it, though,

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Speaker 2: So I mean, what do you The thing is so

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Speaker 2: people can say things and when you write the words

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Speaker 2: down it sounds way worse. They could be doing it

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Speaker 2: with a ry smile whilst you're doing it with a

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Speaker 2: rye smile. We just don't know, and I suppose we

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Speaker 2: won't know until he tries to do it. For sixteen

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Speaker 2: minutes away from five, very next.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, it is fourteen away from five news Talks,

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Speaker 2: said b Barry, soapers here Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, Ryan. I should be talking this afternoon about

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Speaker 7: of course the road cones. That was the big announcement. Yes,

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Speaker 7: at the sterial press conference. Are going to do away

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Speaker 7: with a lot of them. Is going to be a

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Speaker 7: Roade code hotline. So if you're pissed off at road cones,

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Speaker 7: get on the blower and say, look, remove them. If

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Speaker 7: they looked as though they're serving no purpose. I've got

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Speaker 7: to say, they drive me nuts. And I look for

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Speaker 7: the work going on around them, and I very rarely

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Speaker 7: see it.

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Speaker 2: Never there. I like that idea, great idea, and lots

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Speaker 2: actually will we will come back to this after five

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Speaker 2: o'clock this evening, because there was lots in that announcement

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Speaker 2: that was interesting, especially if you're a business owners. Yes,

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Speaker 2: after five or ten more. But right now, the attention

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Speaker 2: of the days turned to Parliament's first non binary MP

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Speaker 2: taking the week off.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well he's taken the week off this week, according

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Speaker 7: to his political boss, Chloe Swarbrick, because of death threats.

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Speaker 7: Now images were sent to me over the weekend by

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Speaker 7: a gay friend of mine. So and he was disgusted

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Speaker 7: at what he had seen. And when I first saw

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Speaker 7: the images, it was Benjvan Doyle kissing a young boy

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Speaker 7: and I assume that it was his son. And I

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Speaker 7: kissed my son all the time, and I thought nothing, not.

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Speaker 2: Much more of it, but it was.

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Speaker 7: Under the headline of Bible about bussy and that means

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Speaker 7: bussy means it's slang that some members of the queer

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Speaker 7: community use, commonly referred to as your backside, essentially. Swarbrick

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Speaker 7: Chloe Swarbrick was standing al alongside her co leader Madam Davidson,

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Speaker 7: and she came out with Art haf to say the

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Speaker 7: biggest understatement when asking the Prime Minister to step into

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Speaker 7: silence his Deputy Prime Minister Winston.

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Speaker 10: Peden, we really didn't want this to get into the

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Speaker 10: public sphere. I think that there is absolutely no benefit

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Speaker 10: to all of us spending our time right now discussing

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Speaker 10: conspiracy theories. But the reality is that it is resulting

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Speaker 10: in real world time and danger towards a member of Parliament,

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Speaker 10: to their child and to the broader Rambolt community. So

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Speaker 10: what we'd like to see from the Prime Minister is

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Speaker 10: some leadership and to shut this down and to stop

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Speaker 10: it right now. What we're talking about as a member

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Speaker 10: of the Rainbow community, in the context of the Rainbow community,

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Speaker 10: using terms that have specific meanings within pockets of the

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Speaker 10: Rainbow community, with a reverence and absurdity. We have to

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Speaker 10: notice that again the Rambow community has frequently been targeted

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Speaker 10: by homophobic, transphobic and otherwise attacks.

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Speaker 2: God, she went on, she always does.

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Speaker 7: And I've got to say. I saw Winston Peters post

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Speaker 7: on X and it was what he said, essentially was

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Speaker 7: how are Benjamin Doyle's own social media posts that he

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Speaker 7: posted himself suddenly disinformation, which is what he's been accused

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Speaker 7: of spreading. Peter's doubled down today on his original social

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Speaker 7: media posting, wanting some members some answers from Doyle, who's

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Speaker 7: taking the week off like we said? Peters said, but

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Speaker 7: not on these words. I have to say what they

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Speaker 7: should be fronting up to explain themselves?

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Speaker 9: What does bussy gole law mean? What does it mean

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Speaker 9: with all those photographs? My have the fifty two posts

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Speaker 9: being taken down? Have you seen them? You journalists? But

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Speaker 9: asked every other member of PARAM thousands of questions, not

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Speaker 9: a word, not a silver, not a sound, not a mutter,

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Speaker 9: not a murmur, And you think that's journalism. Sorry, I'm

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Speaker 9: going to get you to do your job. I would

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Speaker 9: like him to explain himself, That's all I'm asking. All

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Speaker 9: I did was get the information and say, hang on,

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Speaker 9: this is alarming. I want some answers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, Chris Lackson also said that his news conference

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Speaker 7: that the language and the door post was inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: Oh so he has that that that those are the

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Speaker 2: words that is inappropriate, because what about the issue that

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Speaker 2: he that they forgive me and I don't do that

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Speaker 2: on purpose. I do know, I know, because somebody has

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Speaker 2: a pronoun they want to use, I've got no problem

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Speaker 2: using it, but sometimes I do. You know, you do

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Speaker 2: slip up a specially if you're speaking about it a lot.

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Speaker 2: But what about this idea that they are the Greens

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Speaker 2: early time of education and a spokesperson yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: Is that a problem for the Greens better?

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Speaker 7: Well, look, I think this whole thing is a big

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Speaker 7: problem for the Greens. And the understatement, of course that

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Speaker 7: was made by Chloe Swarbrick is that she didn't want

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Speaker 7: it to be to get into the public arena. Of

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Speaker 7: course they didn't want it into the public arena. This

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Speaker 7: is exactly what the Greens don't want. Just like the

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Speaker 7: outpourings of Tamitha Poul for goodness sake, over the weekend

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Speaker 7: here she was at the Cuba Dupa festival singing well sorry,

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Speaker 7: jiving along and making out that she's singing in a microphone.

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Speaker 7: There were a number of anti police songs, rap songs

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Speaker 7: being sung. Now, of course she's said about the police

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Speaker 7: that they should be abolished and should be replaced by

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Speaker 7: God only knows what Chloe swarbrick. She was asked how

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Speaker 7: appropriate was that the limics that the one of the

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Speaker 7: limits lyrics said the police have a little gun, so

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Speaker 7: when I'm on the street, I walk around with a

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Speaker 7: bigger one to be played. She said there are other

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Speaker 7: issues more important to be discussing than that. Of course

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Speaker 7: there are. I just wish the Greens wouldn't give us

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Speaker 7: these to discuss. Imagine Paul veiled in a Palestinian scarf

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Speaker 7: as she was bopping to this speak, which he posted

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Speaker 7: on social media. Ye see, I'd be driving along to

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Speaker 7: that as well. But do you I think it's inappropriate

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Speaker 7: that their police spokesman was up there leading the chant.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they'll call the police in over the

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Speaker 2: death threats? That's the questions trust them?

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Speaker 7: That was put to Chris Luxon. Actually will the police

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Speaker 7: be calling? Well, I mean he's got nothing to do

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Speaker 7: with the Greens. I think it's a great concern. They

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Speaker 7: should be doing themselves and we should be asking how

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Speaker 7: long is this man going to be off parliament?

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Speaker 2: This person, sorry this do you call it a person?

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Speaker 7: How long are they going to be out of past?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, good point, at least at the end of

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Speaker 2: the week. We're told for now wait, so we'll have

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Speaker 2: to wait and see. Barry, thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 7: Tears.

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters will be on after five News Talks MB.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast, I.

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Speaker 14: Was expecting the detail today.

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Speaker 2: What gave you that idea? Was it when he said we've.

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Speaker 3: Got to keep taking barnacles off this boat now?

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Speaker 2: Or was it when he said.

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Speaker 15: You watch for the rolling thunder, Mike, it's coming.

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Speaker 14: Just like, come on, if I don't get some boats,

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Speaker 14: some names and boats and the cost of those ships

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Speaker 14: and how much infrastructures do it, we're going to have

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Speaker 14: more exploration and more time and more chats. What have

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Speaker 14: we actually achieved? Back tomorrow at six am, the mic

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Speaker 14: hosking Breakfast with the rain drove of the laugh News

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Speaker 14: Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: A lot to discuss, so the Reserve Bank, Adrian All

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Speaker 2: was last day today. By the way, shut the forget

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Speaker 2: to shut the door on your way out. So Adrian

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Speaker 2: aw out the door and will his controversial capital rules

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Speaker 2: follow him out. They are reviewing those at the moment.

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Speaker 2: This is the Reserve Bank, and they will report back

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Speaker 2: by the end of the year. So nothing is going

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Speaker 2: to happen quickly, but they are at least looking at them.

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Speaker 2: And we should care about this because according to the banks,

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Speaker 2: and we only have their word to go on at

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Speaker 2: the moment, it would have increased for us if you've

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Speaker 2: got a mortgage or you've got it a loan with

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Speaker 2: the bank, fifty basis points by twenty twenty eight, they reckon,

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Speaker 2: once fully implemented, those capital requirements for the Reserve Bank,

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Speaker 2: would have been worth fifty basis points on your mortgage,

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Speaker 2: which is not insignificant. Chris Luckson, have we got time

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Speaker 2: for this here and we'll do it after five Chris

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Speaker 2: Luxen was asked about pronouns in his post gab and

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Speaker 2: the use of them, obviously in relation to Benjamin Doyle.

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Speaker 2: He said this, well.

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Speaker 16: I don't actually care what pronouns people use. That's pretty straight.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 16: What they use what they use for themselves is up

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Speaker 16: to them. You know.

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Speaker 8: What I'm here to do is focus on some pretty

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Speaker 8: bigger things and that there you go.

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Speaker 2: I mean I sort of take the same. If someone

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Speaker 2: has a pronoun, I'll use it. That's it doesn't bother me.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me that much anyway. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters. It definitely bothers him. He's here after five.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather dupless Ellen Drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be good evening. It is seven after five news talks,

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Speaker 2: they'd be Winston's ferry plan gets the tick of approval

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Speaker 2: from Cabinet or two techs actually, because we get two

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Speaker 2: new fairies crossing the cook Straight. By Christmas twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: That is the promise. They'll have road and rail decks

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Speaker 2: in capacity for fifteen hundred passengers. They'll be longer than

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Speaker 2: the current vessels, smaller than the canceled eyrex ones, but cheaper.

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Speaker 2: Minister for RALH. Winston Peters with me High Minister, Hello,

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Speaker 2: you happy with this?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Well? By Christmas twenty twenty nine, you'll have two brand

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Speaker 9: new Inn Island fairies. They'll be going across the Cook

651
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Speaker 9: Straight and they will take you your family, the caravan,

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Speaker 9: the dog and all the rest across the Cook Straight,

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Speaker 9: which is what most is you'll do in a mass

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Speaker 9: majority want.

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Speaker 2: Will we have in the meantime problems getting across the

656
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Speaker 2: Cook Straight? Will the revamp of Pectin, Will the upgrade

657
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Speaker 2: to Wellington affect the current ferry operation?

658
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Speaker 9: Look, I saw the experts who are doing the advice

659
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Speaker 9: to Kirail right now in terms of the existing fairies,

660
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Speaker 9: their maintenance, what's required. They gave me a serious overview

661
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Speaker 9: today of how much work they've done on it. And

662
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Speaker 9: they are very confident that these present utilities are going

663
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Speaker 9: to be capable going well past twenty twenty nine, which

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Speaker 9: is the date with the transfer to two brand new fairies.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have one hundred percent capacity as it stands

666
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Speaker 2: right now, right through until the end of twenty twenty

667
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Speaker 2: nine when we're expected to get the new ones. Yes, okay?

668
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Speaker 2: And what do you make of the reaction today to

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Speaker 2: some of this? I mean, the Maritime Union has said

670
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Speaker 2: that it was a big mistake for Nickel of Willis

671
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Speaker 2: to cancel those contracts back in December of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: You don't agree with.

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Speaker 9: That, well, look, the problem was that we had ordered

674
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Speaker 9: two fairies at four hundred and one million dollars in

675
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Speaker 9: May of twenty twenty and it blew out where the

676
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Speaker 9: fairies were going to be less than twenty percent of

677
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Speaker 9: the costs and the infrastructure was going to cost over

678
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Speaker 9: eighty percent, and so it was just impossible when Treasury

679
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Speaker 9: was saying this could go past four billion dollars, see

680
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Speaker 9: what went wrong. So we went out to save billions

681
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Speaker 9: of dollars with us practical common sense solution.

682
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Speaker 2: Was Nichola Willis's solution not practical in common sense because

683
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Speaker 2: it didn't include rail.

684
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Speaker 9: It was no Nikola Willison's canceling of the IRX project.

685
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Speaker 9: It was totally vindicated by this decision. Because we'd have

686
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Speaker 9: bought those two fairies, built them, not being able to

687
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Speaker 9: use them because you didn't have the infrastructure. We'd had

688
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Speaker 9: to put them on the international market, and it would

689
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Speaker 9: have been a bias market. We'd have been taken for

690
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Speaker 9: the cleaners, because when you've got to get rid of

691
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Speaker 9: two boats, you've got no options. Then downcomes the price.

692
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Speaker 9: We'd have lost a mass amount of money on that.

693
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Speaker 2: Okay, understand that. But her solution was to follow the

694
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Speaker 2: advice of this minister or group, was it not, and

695
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Speaker 2: they recommended buying two fairies that weren't rail enabled.

696
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Speaker 9: Well, the problem with that was that her group just

697
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 9: looked at one option and didn't look at the alternatives.

698
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Speaker 9: And the alternatives when we were working on them, in

699
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Speaker 9: terms of the being rail and wrote enable, so to speak,

700
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Speaker 9: were much cheaper, much more enduring, and in line with

701
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Speaker 9: the decisions made by there I say, had some wiser

702
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Speaker 9: role of politicians going back decades and decades ago.

703
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Speaker 2: Do you think does it worry you that the minister

704
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Speaker 2: was just going to go along with the ministerial advisory

705
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Speaker 2: group and potentially by us two fairies that were more

706
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Speaker 2: expensive and not rail enabled.

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Speaker 9: Hang on, This is a minister who listened to other

708
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Speaker 9: cabinet advice and said, okay, let's suspend what I was

709
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Speaker 9: thinking about and let's see what you guys can do.

710
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Speaker 9: And we went out and consulted as widely as we could,

711
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Speaker 9: with all manner of shipping companies, with all manner of people,

712
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Speaker 9: with the total industry, with the porter Marlboro with Centa

713
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Speaker 9: Port and Willington and Kerrie Rail and we came up

714
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Speaker 9: with a much better option. So she made the right

715
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Speaker 9: decision twice, didn't she?

716
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Speaker 2: I suppose she did. Hey, this Benjamin Doyle stuff. Are

717
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Speaker 2: you more worked up over the posts themselves or the

718
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: fact that the media didn't report on them until you did?

719
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Speaker 9: Well, look, you've seen over the past any MP that's

720
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Speaker 9: got a something in the way of correspondence or dare

721
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Speaker 9: I say phone calls or dare I say posts that

722
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Speaker 9: have come under investigation. Those people have been taken to

723
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Speaker 9: the cleaners by the media. And here comes someone with

724
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Speaker 9: all sorts of posts now being taken down because they

725
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Speaker 9: are suspicious as to their content, and not one mainstream

726
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 9: media person was asking them for days and days and days.

727
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Speaker 9: But go back further than that. This was all there

728
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Speaker 9: before he was chosen to be a replacement candidate in

729
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Speaker 9: Parliament and promptly he pulled it down. And now my

730
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Speaker 9: question is to the Green parties, what on earth do

731
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Speaker 9: you think this parliament is? Why did you yourself not

732
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Speaker 9: know this? In the meantime, he's been screaming out for

733
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Speaker 9: peerity blockers being made available to all sorts of children

734
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Speaker 9: at the taxpayer's expense, giving children sexual presence, preference and

735
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Speaker 9: choices when they're far too young to make up their minds.

736
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Speaker 9: Where all the international evidence says this is so dangerous,

737
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Speaker 9: and he pressed on it. That's the point. I'm asking

738
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Speaker 9: the media to go and ask him the questions and

739
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Speaker 9: ask the Greens what on earth they think this is about.

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Speaker 9: Now here's the point on my post. There have been

741
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Speaker 9: thousands of Rainbow people begging what we're saying, and saying

742
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Speaker 9: this is just so damning of their own position, which

743
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Speaker 9: is legitimate, which is not to be challenged, but worst

744
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Speaker 9: of all, contaminates what they think they are. All right,

745
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Speaker 9: this is the sham that's turned up here.

746
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Speaker 2: Winston Peters, appreciate your time. The Minister for Rail on

747
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Speaker 2: the program. Twelve minutes after five Ryan Workplace Health and

748
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Speaker 2: Safety getting a big shape up, shake up this afternoon,

749
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Speaker 2: i should say, and we're going to go to business

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Speaker 2: ends Chief Executive Captain rich on this for reaction Catherine,

751
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Speaker 2: good evening, Good evening, you glad to be out of politics.

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Speaker 15: Well, yes, it's the world of business. Advocacy is a

753
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Speaker 15: really good one and so I'm really pleased by the

754
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Speaker 15: announcements today, Ryan, because I think the government's making some

755
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Speaker 15: progress pair back some of the silly rules and we've

756
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Speaker 15: got ourselves into over a period of years. I think

757
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Speaker 15: the announcements today many small businesses will breathe a sigh

758
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Speaker 15: of relief because they're going to have to just concentrate

759
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Speaker 15: on the critical issues that cause death, serious injury and

760
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Speaker 15: illness and not get into the endless paperwork and tick

761
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Speaker 15: box exercises that makes them fearful about running their businesses.

762
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're taking small businesses out of the general requirements,

763
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Speaker 2: out of the Health and Safety at Work Act. Can

764
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Speaker 2: you just give us a couple of examples from businesses

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Speaker 2: you are aware of, what are some of the things

766
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Speaker 2: that they have been having to deal with.

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Speaker 15: Well, for a lot of businesses, particularly when they get

768
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Speaker 15: fearful about not doing the right thing, might overcompensate and

769
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Speaker 15: then brand rules because they think they just want to

770
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Speaker 15: absolutely eradicate risk rather than manage or minimize it. And

771
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Speaker 15: it's that kind of environment with you get fearful, which

772
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Speaker 15: means more road comes. Means things like being concerned about

773
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Speaker 15: lolly scrambles at community events, or farmers being nervous about

774
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Speaker 15: having people on their properties. The announcements today I think

775
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Speaker 15: will go a long way to remind small businesses that

776
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Speaker 15: their job is to be successful in their businesses and

777
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Speaker 15: not to have to worry about things that are not serious,

778
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Speaker 15: stuff like you've still got to have a safe environment,

779
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Speaker 15: You've still got to do a whole bunch of things

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Speaker 15: to their workers. Safety is still paramount. But what we're

781
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Speaker 15: seeing here is a clarification of what the responsibilities are

782
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Speaker 15: because over a period of time, individual small mistresses have

783
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Speaker 15: been worried about doing something wrong and being the one

784
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Speaker 15: in the dock.

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Speaker 2: Catherine, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate that.

786
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Speaker 2: Katherine Rich who's the business end in chief executive, just

787
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Speaker 2: going quarter past five year on news talks b Damien McKenzie.

788
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Speaker 2: Big move from him today. He's signed on the all

789
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Speaker 2: Blacks with m ZR. I should say through until twenty

790
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Speaker 2: twenty nine. He's with us live next admind. Staff must

791
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Speaker 2: be getting really tired of every second person coming up

792
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Speaker 2: and asking them where are the lifts or where are

793
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Speaker 2: the bathrooms? Or how do I get out of the building. Well,

794
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Speaker 2: there is an easy fix for all of this. Get

795
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Speaker 2: better signage. Speedy signs are the experts to sort this

796
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Speaker 2: sort of thing out. But it's not only their wayfinding

797
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Speaker 2: signage Speedy Signs can help with. It's your a fitness center,

798
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Speaker 2: for example, a large format image of super fit people

799
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Speaker 2: great way to get your clients inspired to exercise. Or

800
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Speaker 2: if you're a school, how about getting cultural artwork professionally

801
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Speaker 2: printed and installed. Maybe your business is open twenty four

802
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Speaker 2: hours a day, you'll definitely need signage that stands out

803
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Speaker 2: in the dark of night, with illuminated or led signage.

804
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Speaker 2: In fact, whatever kind of signage you need, Speedy Signs

805
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Speaker 2: can help you. Speedy Signs has been around for more

806
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Speaker 2: than twenty five years with nearly thirty locations nationwide, so

807
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Speaker 2: no matter how big or small your business, they can

808
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Speaker 2: help you find the right sign To find them, just

809
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Speaker 2: visit Speedy Signs dot co dot nz or call oh

810
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Speaker 2: eight hundred Speedy Bryan Bridge Nicola Willis on the show

811
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Speaker 2: after six Lots to talk about with her the supermarket duopoly.

812
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Speaker 2: Is she going to smash it to smithereens as she's

813
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: been threatening. We'll get to that after sex right now.

814
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Speaker 2: All Black Damien Mackenzie staying in the country for another

815
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Speaker 2: four years. He signed with NZR and the Chiefs until

816
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine. The contract includes an option for Damien

817
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Speaker 2: to take a sabbatical in twenty twenty eight. If you choose,

818
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: it's Damien McKenzie is with me now, good good evening

819
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Speaker 2: to you, good even mate, thanks of me. Yeah, no worries.

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00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: Why have you decided to stay?

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Speaker 17: I think you know it's a great opportunity the next

822
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Speaker 17: couple of years with the Chiefs, and he's young Rugby

823
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Speaker 17: with the All Blacks to you know, to stick around.

824
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Speaker 17: And I think both clubs have given so much today,

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00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 17: the Chiefs and the All Blacks and the opportunities I

826
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Speaker 17: think so yeah. I mean there's no place like home either,

827
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Speaker 17: So I think the next two year is going to

828
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Speaker 17: be a big puppy years from myself in both teams.

829
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Speaker 17: So for the option to stay in New Zealand was

830
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Speaker 17: quite an easy on In the end.

831
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Speaker 2: Did you get lots of other authors? Was there a

832
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Speaker 2: lot of money on the table?

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Speaker 17: I did get a couple offers and yeahs enough money, I.

834
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Speaker 2: Guess it is it fair to say you took you

835
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Speaker 2: took less money to stay in New Zealand? And if

836
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Speaker 2: that is true, why I think?

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Speaker 17: I guess like I said that, you know, the opportunity

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Speaker 17: to play for the All Blacks is, you know, one

839
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Speaker 17: that you can never take for granted. And you know,

840
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Speaker 17: I was out a pretty decent hand last year and

841
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Speaker 17: I got a lot of opportunities to to prove myself

842
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 17: that everyone. I think, you know, I learned a lot

843
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 17: from that. And yeah, I think it's just been out

844
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Speaker 17: of being in New Zealand being at home. It's you know,

845
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Speaker 17: I enjoyed being in Hamilton and playing for the Chiefs,

846
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Speaker 17: and you know that's sort of when you go over seas,

847
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Speaker 17: you kind of like st that and I, you so

848
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Speaker 17: experienced a little bit of a stint in Japan a

849
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Speaker 17: few years that which I extremely enjoyed. And I thought

850
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Speaker 17: the opportunity that there is in the next couple of

851
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 17: years here in Zealand was too good to turn down.

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Speaker 17: And I know it's going to obviously take a lot

853
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Speaker 17: of hard work, and you know, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know there'd be a lot of All Blacks

855
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Speaker 2: fans who are very very Antife fans are very happy

856
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Speaker 2: that you're staying with us. Where did you or do

857
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Speaker 2: you have any plans or what's the deal with the

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Speaker 2: twenty eight sabbatical.

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Speaker 17: Just like any other spectical really not an option to

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Speaker 17: potentially play the season then and then rejoined back in

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Speaker 17: his younger later in the year.

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Speaker 2: Nice. So you get a bit of at home and

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Speaker 2: a bit of offshore and included in this in this contract.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, very very fortunate with how the contracts come all together.

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Speaker 17: And you know, obviously here at the Chiefs, which has

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Speaker 17: been home away from home for for a long time

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Speaker 17: now and obviously huge motivation to try to bring a

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Speaker 17: championship to the club. And then yeah, the adoption to

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Speaker 17: potentially play overseas as well, which I've experienced before, I

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Speaker 17: really enjoyed, and so to have that in my contract,

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Speaker 17: I'm very grateful for.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Damien, thank you very much for being with me.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time. And then congratulations on the

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Speaker 2: new deal. Cheers, Dome McKenzie, all black and tea for us.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty two minutes after five. You're on News

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Speaker 2: Talks Hebb.

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Speaker 1: Informed Inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on Hither

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Allan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected

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Speaker 1: News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Five five on News Talks VB I reckon Nichola Willis

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Speaker 2: is bluffing us. She's having an a laugh. She's not really

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Speaker 2: going to take a sledgehammer to the supermarkets. She has

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Speaker 2: threatened to do this. She's having some consultants come in

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Speaker 2: and do some work on it, but she's not serious

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Speaker 2: about doing it. There are a couple of reasons why not.

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Speaker 2: Splitting up brands like Pack and Save a New World

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Speaker 2: from each other is a pretty drastic action to take.

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Speaker 2: It could affect hundreds of Mum and Dad's store owners

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Speaker 2: who run their own local supermarkets and form part of

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Speaker 2: the co op around the country. Then there's the problem

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Speaker 2: of prices. The fact that co ops like food Stuff

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Speaker 2: exist mean they can spread their costs around the country

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Speaker 2: and make prices more even between the regions. What happens

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Speaker 2: to the price of Pam's biscuits a Pack and Save

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Speaker 2: in Rotadua if you split this store from its brother

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Speaker 2: and sister stores, does the price come down or does

897
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Speaker 2: the price go up? If it goes up, So, if

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Speaker 2: it goes up, then Nicola's credibility goes down. Equally, splitting

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Speaker 2: retail from wholesale risks creating a middleman that goes between

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Speaker 2: the two, thus pushing prices up anyway, These are all

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Speaker 2: arguments for why not, and there are arguments for four,

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Speaker 2: but at this stage they're not specific. They're just prices

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Speaker 2: are too high, so we better do something. All of

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Speaker 2: this before you even get to the political support for

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Speaker 2: such a move, which obviously wouldn't involve the act Party

906
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Speaker 2: based on their comments today, so would need help from

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Speaker 2: across the Aisle. I think in the end the risks

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Speaker 2: will be too great, the benefits not clear enough for

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Speaker 2: Nikola to smash the supermarkets to smithereens. I also think

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Speaker 2: she knows this. She's hoping the threat is enough to

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Speaker 2: yield some results in the interim and go down wild

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Speaker 2: with the public who is sick of paying through the

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Speaker 2: nose for groceries every week at the checkout. We'll put

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Speaker 2: some of that to Nikola Willis. She's on the show

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Speaker 2: after six this evening. Also, I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about Norway. Fascinating what they're doing in Norway with

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Speaker 2: some of their old infrastructure that they use during the

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Speaker 2: Cold War for the Soviets. They're bringing it back, which

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Speaker 2: is never a great sign, is it for the state

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Speaker 2: of the world. Where Norway's bringing back you know, basically

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Speaker 2: they are shelters where they put all of their Air

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Speaker 2: Force fighter jets and hide them in the hills should

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Speaker 2: they be bombed or newt So it's not great news,

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Speaker 2: but anyway, I'll tell you all about that after six

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Speaker 2: this evening as well, News Talk said, b.

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Speaker 14: Whenever you're slow, We're never offa.

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Speaker 18: We never.

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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

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Speaker 1: drive home it's Ryan Bridge on hither duper s Allen

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 18: News Talks ed b Lin for the first time.

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Speaker 2: Good Evening's twenty five away from Sex. News Talks said,

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Speaker 2: be the huddle joining us in just a few moments.

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Speaker 2: Lots to talk about. We'll talk about the Greens. We'll

935
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Speaker 2: talk about Donald Trump, how he could get a third term.

936
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Speaker 2: After six we'll talk to Nichola Willis. She's here a

937
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Speaker 2: talk about the supermarkets, also the fairies, and Shane Soley

938
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Speaker 2: from Harbor Asset Management gives us the wrap of the markets.

939
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Speaker 2: Right now, it's twenty four away from Sex. Bryan Bridge

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Speaker 2: Auckland Pride is accused Winston Peters of conspiratorial fear mongering

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Speaker 2: in relation to his comments about Benjamin Doyle. The Deputy

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Speaker 2: PM criticized Duel for their Instagram account with the handle

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Speaker 2: Bible belt bussy here is Coloswarbrick.

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Speaker 10: Members of many minority communities, the Rainbow community included, oftentimes

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Speaker 10: end up co opting or using language which is considered

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Speaker 10: it absurd or whatever else by external groups and flippant

947
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Speaker 10: or irreverend ways in order to help navigate the world.

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Speaker 2: Been good, Sir, is the chair of all com Pride

949
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Speaker 2: with me now, hi Ben Hi, Ran, how's it going good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Good to have you on the show. Can

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Speaker 2: you see why? Okay, just pretend you're not the chair

952
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Speaker 2: of allkm Pride for a second. You're a semi conservative

953
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Speaker 2: kind of father of two. Can you see why from

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Speaker 2: some people's perspective, seeing a child, a photo of a

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Speaker 2: child with an a man be it their father, and

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Speaker 2: the post the caption bussy galore, which is a sexualized

957
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Speaker 2: reference to a man's bottom, can you see why that

958
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Speaker 2: might set pitch some people off?

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Speaker 19: Look, Ran, I can see like lots of people have

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Speaker 19: feel shocked by the queer community and that there are

961
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Speaker 19: lots of misunderstandings that still exist, and so I can

962
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Speaker 19: understand why someone who doesn't have the understanding and doesn't

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Speaker 19: have the context, might feel shocked, but hopefully I can

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Speaker 19: provide a bit of that context today.

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Speaker 2: Do it? Yeah, tell us what is the context that

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Speaker 2: why would you put that type of term next to

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Speaker 2: a child?

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Speaker 19: Look, I think I think the starting point for this

969
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Speaker 19: is that Benjamin Doyle as a really well respected member

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Speaker 19: of our community, and when this post was done, was

971
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Speaker 19: working at the Foundation, which is a local grassroots charity

972
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Speaker 19: looking to end the transmission of HIV and ALTA. I

973
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Speaker 19: live just off Cada Road. Every day I'm walking past

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Speaker 19: posters from the Burnett Foundation with a sort of language

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Speaker 19: on it trying to connect with the areas of the

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Speaker 19: Rainbow community that need to hear these messages about sexual health.

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Speaker 19: And this is language of means of RuPaul that is

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Speaker 19: becoming more common, but is language that is targeted towards

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Speaker 19: certain communities and intended to engage with those communities. And

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Speaker 19: as I understand it, this was just one photo and

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Speaker 19: a whole reel of photos that Benjamin posted, and their

982
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Speaker 19: role was to connect with communities. And so what we're

983
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Speaker 19: seeing here is the intersection of their work, of their

984
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Speaker 19: identity as a queer person, and of their role is

985
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Speaker 19: someone who's a part of a family.

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Speaker 2: So this the caption the bussy thing was actually applied

987
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Speaker 2: to a whole bunch of different photos, not just this

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Speaker 2: one particular photo of the child.

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Speaker 19: Is that what you're saying, Yeah, My understanding is, you know,

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Speaker 19: they had this joke nickname of Bible about bussy on Instagram,

991
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Speaker 19: and so they've put up a realer photos of what

992
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Speaker 19: they've been up to and captioned it bussy galore. Sure

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Speaker 19: you know it's not what's what everyone might expect, but

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Speaker 19: that that kind of was a reflection of them and

995
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Speaker 19: their engagement with the community. And one of those photos

996
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Speaker 19: had their family member in it. But that that's not okay,

997
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Speaker 19: That that's not something that I think is worth us

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Speaker 19: spending a lot of time reading into.

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Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, Do you know what I find

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Speaker 2: interesting about all of this, because I mean, obviously I

1001
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Speaker 2: am a part of this community, but I don't I mean,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really know what bussy meant, if I'm being

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Speaker 2: honest with you, But something with stim Peter said to me.

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper has said the same thing when he came

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Speaker 2: in this afternoon. They've heard from friends of theirs who

1006
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Speaker 2: are gay, and I've heard from friends of mine who say,

1007
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Speaker 2: why do these guys have to go around provoking stuff

1008
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Speaker 2: like with a pride parade in Auckland for example. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything but anybody did anything wrong because

1010
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Speaker 2: I love a drag show. But if you know that

1011
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Speaker 2: there's people who don't, you know, why take it to

1012
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Speaker 2: a library with these children? You know what I mean?

1013
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Speaker 2: Can we are we trying to be inclusive or are

1014
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Speaker 2: we trying to provoke?

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Speaker 19: Look, I mean the queer community has been seen as

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Speaker 19: inherently provocatives for centuries and so it's only in the

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Speaker 19: last twenty years that our mere existence has been anything

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Speaker 19: less than provocative. So coming along afterwards and sort of

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Speaker 19: training to police the language of communities and the way

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Speaker 19: that they engage. And there are people who are disconnected

1021
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Speaker 19: and this is the sort of language that that gets

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Speaker 19: used to reach out and into those communities that need

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Speaker 19: to hear these messages, and these are the important messages

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Speaker 19: that are going to help us end hav.

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Speaker 2: In New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: And.

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Speaker 19: So it's not for everyone, but it's also it's part

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Speaker 19: of a much way to picture in a really deep

1029
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Speaker 19: history where people's very existence has been seen as controversial

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Speaker 19: for so long.

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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, Ben thank you very much. I appreciate you

1032
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Speaker 2: coming on the program, being good to all compride here

1033
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Speaker 2: it is nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.

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Speaker 2: Joining me tonight maximums to Thomas Scriminger. Hi, Thomasday, Good

1037
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Speaker 2: to have you on the show. Welcome and Joseph Beganni

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Speaker 2: from Child Funders with us tonight as she always is

1039
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Speaker 2: on a Monday. Josie, good evening, good day. Hey, we'll

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Speaker 2: come back to this whole bru hahar over Benjamin Doyle,

1041
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Speaker 2: but kick off with the fairies, because this is this

1042
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Speaker 2: is a well. I mean, what did we learn today?

1043
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Speaker 2: We learned we're getting two hundred meter long ferries. They'll

1044
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Speaker 2: be twenty eight meters wined, fifteen hundred passengers per piece,

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Speaker 2: and crucially they'll have rail on board. Winston's quite happy

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Speaker 2: with this. Cabinet has agreed, Josie, is this a win?

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Speaker 20: Well, Look, it's cheaper than the original cost. So let's

1048
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Speaker 20: remember where we were under the last government, where it

1049
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Speaker 20: was meant to be a seven hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 20: dollar project. It ballooned out to three billion dollars, and

1051
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Speaker 20: that was because and don't forget Ryan, this is a

1052
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Speaker 20: this is a business, the ferry business that earns a

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Speaker 20: revenue of one hundred and fifty million a year. So

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Speaker 20: I'm not sure the cost benefit of this really stacked

1055
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Speaker 20: up when it was three billion dollars. So now we've

1056
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Speaker 20: got something that's cheaper. But the thing that worries me,

1057
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Speaker 20: and thank god we've got something and a decision, because

1058
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Speaker 20: these things are going to crap out in twenty twenty

1059
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Speaker 20: nine the ones we've got, so we need something. What

1060
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Speaker 20: worries me though, is that I'm not entirely convinced that

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Speaker 20: they have fully costed this, because the reason it ballooned

1062
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Speaker 20: from seven hundred and fifty million to three billion was

1063
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Speaker 20: the cost of the port infrastructure. So the Minister Wison Peters,

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Speaker 20: he's been assured by the experts that there will not

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Speaker 20: be a cost blowout with the infrastructure and that these

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Speaker 20: fairies are apparently shorter but wider something like that, so

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Speaker 20: they don't need as long as a port as much

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Speaker 20: port infrastructure. I'm just not convinced that bigger fairies, okay,

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Speaker 20: wider not longer, are not going to need some kind

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Speaker 20: of infrastructure. I reckon this will balloon out a bit more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, once bitter and twice shy, Josie, and

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Speaker 2: we've been bitten quite hard on the last one, haven't we.

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Speaker 2: So I can forgive you for being a bit skeptical

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Speaker 2: about estimates from Wellington. Thomas, what's your take?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I think Josie's right. It's good that we've

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Speaker 16: got a decision, but we don't yet have a contract,

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Speaker 16: and that's kind of really the first hurdle. Winston has

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Speaker 16: announced today the kinds of boats he's looking to purchase,

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Speaker 16: has not actually purchased any, so that'll be the first hurdle.

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Speaker 16: And then delivery is always the hardest thing to achieve.

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Speaker 16: By canceling the expensive old planned ferries, we are getting

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Speaker 16: delayed until we get new ones. You were just chatting

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Speaker 16: to Damien McKenzie. He signed a long term contract till

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Speaker 16: twenty twenty nine. He might still be overseas before we

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Speaker 16: get any new fairies.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, just one thing on that we do need to stop.

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Speaker 20: The government does need to stop announcing announcements of upcoming announcements,

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Speaker 20: you know, and if you look at the recent Adleman

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Speaker 20: Trust Barometer. I mean in New Zealand trust in government

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Speaker 20: has fallen to forty five percent, which is one of

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Speaker 20: the lowest in the OECDS. So we really are over

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Speaker 20: all governments of all shades at the moment. And part

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Speaker 20: of that, big, big part of that is delivery. So

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Speaker 20: you know, announce the delivery, the contract, the fairies, the

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Speaker 20: final cost and let's just get on with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would appreciate a bit of that too, Thomas

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Speaker 2: and Josie. We'll be back in just a moment. We've

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Speaker 2: got well, lots to discuss Donald Trump. We've got Benjamin

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Speaker 2: Doyle and the issue with GPS. If you're troubling, troubling,

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Speaker 2: if you're having trouble, I should say getting an appointment.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 2: News talks there b We're on the huddle with Thomas

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Speaker 2: Scrimger from the Max Maxim Institute and Josie Bucganney from

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Speaker 2: child Fun. Just had a quick email from Courtney and Brisbane.

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Speaker 2: She says, love listening into the show on LD coming

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand. It won't happen. They haven't made it

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Speaker 2: to Tasmania yet. Not going to happen for you guys. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: Niicola willis with us after six talk more about that.

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Speaker 2: But on this Greens MP Benjamin Doyle and the whole

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Speaker 2: what's going on? Thomas? What is your take here? Do

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Speaker 2: you think because just the fact that he is the

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Speaker 2: spokesperson for early childhood education for the Greens have anything

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Speaker 2: to do with this? Do they need to be careful here?

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Speaker 16: I wouldn't hone in on the fact that he spokesperson

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Speaker 16: for early childhood education. I think that's to take the

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Speaker 16: story in a specific direction. It doesn't need to go

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Speaker 16: in first and foremost. I think this is a story

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Speaker 16: about a public figure, a member of Parliament, who has

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Speaker 16: some relatively explicit language posted on his profiles, and he

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Speaker 16: was left unprepared from his party. The Greens seemed incredibly

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Speaker 16: unprepared to handle this story, even though he'd been in

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Speaker 16: Parliament for some time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not like they haven't had many of

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Speaker 2: them to deal with lately. You know, you think they'd

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Speaker 2: be quite good bye now.

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Speaker 20: Jose's one a week, isn't it, Ryan? And it does

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Speaker 20: make me think that the Greens. You know, I think

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Speaker 20: New Zealand is about five years behind the rest of

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Speaker 20: the world. And you've got Tamitha Paul talking about defund

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Speaker 20: the police. I mean, this was going on in America

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Speaker 20: in twenty sixteen and lost them elections. So I sort

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Speaker 20: of feel like, you know, we need to kind of

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Speaker 20: catch up with the fact that this stuff is just

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Speaker 20: not popular. Guys, you know, you need to focus on

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Speaker 20: the stuff that people want you to focus on as

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Speaker 20: a Green Party. But on this particular issue, I don't

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Speaker 20: think the problem is the language around the Rainbow community

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Speaker 20: Bible belt bussy. You know, thanks for the explanation. I

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Speaker 20: didn't know what it was either, so thank you for that, Ryan.

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Speaker 20: But I don't think it's that. The issue isn't that

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Speaker 20: it's not some conservative father of two sitting there going

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Speaker 20: I don't like all this drag queen stuff. The problem

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Speaker 20: is the sexualized content. I the words bible belt bussy

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Speaker 20: and a picture of a child sitting on his knee,

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Speaker 20: and that's the issue that people are going. I'm just

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Speaker 20: a bit uncomfortable about that. And I heard the explanation

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Speaker 20: that Ben from the Pride you know community gave you,

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Speaker 20: and yeah, Auckland Pride, and I thought that was really good.

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Speaker 20: But what would be what would be better is if

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Speaker 20: this MP had stood up and said, you know, look,

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Speaker 20: this was a series of photos. It's unfortunate that that

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Speaker 20: phrase Bible belt bussy, which is sexualized, ended up on

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Speaker 20: the picture of a child sitting on my knee. But

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Speaker 20: here's what it was all about, the fact that he

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Speaker 20: if that was me and there was a photo out

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Speaker 20: there with something sexy in the title, I would have

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Speaker 20: come out immediately to set the record straight and clarify

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Speaker 20: that this was not something that you need to feel

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Speaker 20: uncomfortable about. I think it's the problem that the explanation

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Speaker 20: hasn't really been there, and it is just simply the

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Speaker 20: sexualized wording with the picture of a child. It isn't

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Speaker 20: an anti rainbow thing. It isn't an anti you know,

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Speaker 20: the fun of Auckland Pride and the fun of and

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Speaker 20: the provocativeness of the gay community, that's all great. Everyone

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Speaker 20: loves that. It's the sexualized content with the picture of

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Speaker 20: a kid.

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Speaker 2: All right, Donald Trump, do you believe him when he

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Speaker 2: says Thomas that he'll be going for a third term?

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Speaker 16: Oh well, I think the phrase that people will use

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Speaker 16: around Trump is to take him seriously, but don't take

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Speaker 16: him literally. Now, quite possibly he's soft launching his plan

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Speaker 16: to become the next president. But there's plenty of things

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Speaker 16: he's doing in the immediate president that can be worrying

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Speaker 16: without us spending too much time stressing about whether he's

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Speaker 16: going for a third term. I guess the reason to

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Speaker 16: give us hope is that his vice president is significantly

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Speaker 16: younger and probably quite ambitious. So if you're worried about

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Speaker 16: American president, perhaps he's the one we should be stressing about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always the rumor, isn't it that that he's

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Speaker 2: lined him up to be the replacement Josie.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, like Putin did with med for death. If you

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Speaker 20: remember that, he stood down because he couldn't like constitutionally

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Speaker 20: stand again and god is you know two ic to

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Speaker 20: stand and then Putin steps up again. So yeah, I

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Speaker 20: am worried about this. And there's a great phrase out there.

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Speaker 20: I don't know whether you've heard it rhyme, but you know,

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Speaker 20: shock as leopard eats face said person who voted for

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Speaker 20: the leopards eating people's faces party. I think we should

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Speaker 20: take Trump literally. This is what he said. He would do.

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Speaker 20: He said, you know, I'm going to invade Greenland. I'm

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Speaker 20: going to make Canada the fifty first state. I'm going

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Speaker 20: to take that Panama Kmal, I'm going to do tariffs,

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Speaker 20: I'm going to get rid of these government departments and

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Speaker 20: so on. In fact, he's done more than he said

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Speaker 20: he would do. So you know, if you vote for

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Speaker 20: the leopards eating people's faces party, don't be surprised when

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Speaker 20: the leopard eats your face.

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Speaker 2: Very strange analogy, but I get what you're saying. The

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Speaker 2: thing is, it's it's almost too much to take though, Josie,

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Speaker 2: because we've got China, we've got Russia throwing bombs into Europe,

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Speaker 2: We've got a run in the Middle East. I can't

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Speaker 2: handle another one of these, you know, I.

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Speaker 20: Know, It's just everything, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's.

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Speaker 20: Letting people out of jail, it's ignoring judges orders, it's

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Speaker 20: invading Greenland. I'm very pleased to announce that my kids

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Speaker 20: have renamed our family chat group the Pagani Family Top

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Speaker 20: Secret War Plans Chat Group. Great, very good laugh.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you guys for coming on. Appreciate your

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Speaker 2: time and your thoughts. Thomas Scriminger from the Maximum Institution,

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Speaker 2: Josie Beganney from Child Fund. It's seven away from six

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Speaker 2: News Talks. There be Nichola Willis here after the news.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless All and Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on IR Radio powered by News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: Four minutes away from six News Talks eb So, I

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Speaker 2: was talking to you about this earlier on in Norway.

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Speaker 2: They're restoring some old Cold War military bunkers. So there

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Speaker 2: were three thousand underground bunkers that were built during the

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Speaker 2: Cold War. Some of them actually went finished during the

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Speaker 2: Cold War, only finished afterwards, by which point they were like,

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Speaker 2: well that was a waste of time. But here we are. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they decommissioned that they used to hide everything from fighter

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Speaker 2: jets to nuclear submarines. They can enter through water, go

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Speaker 2: underneath the mountains and hide in these bunkers that they built,

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Speaker 2: obviously to protect them from being bombed and the like.

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Speaker 2: Now they decommission them about four years ago. A lot

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Speaker 2: of them they decommission and they are now re they're

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Speaker 2: giving them the go button again, saying we might need you,

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Speaker 2: which is not reassuring. But interestingly, one of them they

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Speaker 2: rented out to a couple of private companies. One of

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Speaker 2: them was a Russian fishing company. So the Russians have

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Speaker 2: been in there. Presumably they know everything there is to

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Speaker 2: know about them. I mean, how effective are they now

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Speaker 2: hiding things that would be my own concern. Nichola willis

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Speaker 2: here on the supermarkets.

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Speaker 18: Next two step with a woman. I love that.

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Speaker 1: We need a stile on where business meets insight. The

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mayor's Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 2: News talk said, be good evening. It's seven up to

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Speaker 2: six Shane solely on the markets. In just a few moments,

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Speaker 2: we'll look at Auckland Airport getting its wings clipped by

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Speaker 2: the ComCom and Gavin Grays in the UK right now

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Speaker 2: the Finance Minister, Nicola willis, good evening, Good evening, Rin,

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Speaker 2: good to have you on the show. A lot to

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Speaker 2: discuss tonight. We'll start with the supermarkets. What impact do

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Speaker 2: you expect because you've basically threatened to force the sale

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Speaker 2: or to break up the cooperative in food stuffs, some

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Speaker 2: of the brands around supermarkets, you've threatened to break them up.

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Speaker 2: What impact do you think that will have on those supermarkets?

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Speaker 2: As we stand today.

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Speaker 21: Well, right now, we have one of the least competitive

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Speaker 21: grocery markets in the world, and we are paying more

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Speaker 21: for our groceries as a result. So what I want

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Speaker 21: to achieve is a properly competitive market to put downward

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Speaker 21: pressure on prices, to motivate innovation, and to ensure that

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Speaker 21: shoppers get more choices. So the intention here is yep,

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Speaker 21: first porto call, let's try and get a third operator in.

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Speaker 21: But if there are market structure issues preventing that happening,

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Speaker 21: then I feel duty bound to take a next step

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Speaker 21: and look at how we can fix that market structure.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll talk about that and whether that

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Speaker 2: is the issue that should be at the forefront of

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Speaker 2: any investigation. But what do you think the threat of

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Speaker 2: a being broken up as a business hanging over you?

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Speaker 2: What does that do to an individual family who might

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Speaker 2: own a supermarket that's part of their co opt food

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Speaker 2: stuff for example? Are they going to invest in new technology,

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Speaker 2: are they going to invest in new machinery efficiencies while

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Speaker 2: there's that holding hanging over them? And does that not

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Speaker 2: in a way undermine the work that you're trying to do.

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Speaker 21: Well, Ryan, as a Minister of the Crown. I am

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Speaker 21: responsible to the many, not the few. I'm responsible to

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Speaker 21: the millions of New Zealanders who do their grocery shop

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Speaker 21: each week, rather than a few hundred people who are

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Speaker 21: fortunate enough to own and rate a supermarket. I think

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Speaker 21: a lot of those supermarket owners do a really good job.

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Speaker 21: My issue is with the structure they are operating in.

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Speaker 21: And actually you'll find that some of those operators of

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Speaker 21: supermarkets themselves raise concerns about the way that their cooperative

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Speaker 21: or their company operates, and so the request for information

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Speaker 21: process that I'm running will give them the opportunity to

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Speaker 21: raise concerns about that model as well.

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Speaker 2: The Commerce Commission initially recommended breaking them up, but by

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Speaker 2: the final report had pulled back because it was too risky.

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Speaker 2: Why raise it again.

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Speaker 21: Because what the Commus Commission said was, let's see if

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Speaker 21: these new regulations that we're introducing will introduce some more

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Speaker 21: competitive pressure to the market. Since then, there has been

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Speaker 21: no more competitive pressure. In fact, the market has become

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Speaker 21: more concentrated. There's evidence that margins are increasing, that profitability

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Speaker 21: is increasing. Everage key we certainly haven't seen better prices

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Speaker 21: at the checkout, and the meantime We've had misleading specials,

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Speaker 21: pricing and accuracies, ongoing investigations, consumer complaints, issues with the

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Speaker 21: supply code, issue with the wholesale code. None of that

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Speaker 21: tells me that the supermarkets are taking this seriously. They

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Speaker 21: haven't pulled their socks up. They aren't actually delivering anything

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Speaker 21: materially better to New Zealanders. A year on from when

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Speaker 21: these regulations were first brought in, and the first grocery

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Speaker 21: port review is pretty sobering reading. It points out that

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Speaker 21: despite all of the good intentions, things actually haven't gotten better.

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Speaker 21: So I can sit back and say, oh, well, I'm

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Speaker 21: going to cross my fingers and hope that aldi turns up,

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Speaker 21: or I can take action. And I'm choosing to take action.

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Speaker 21: I'm actively pursuing a third entrant, and I'm preparing for

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Speaker 21: a scenario in which that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Can we just s be clear for people who listen

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Speaker 2: to this type of retric and we've had it from

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Speaker 2: previous Ministers of Finance and prime ministers saying we will

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Speaker 2: rain them in, will make it better. Can we just

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Speaker 2: speak clear about how much we're being ripped off by

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Speaker 2: So it's a million dollars a day, so you know,

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Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five million a year. If you

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Speaker 2: divide that by the population of New Zealand, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about a dollar forty a week I think per person.

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Speaker 21: It's the number I'm focused on is the fact that

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Speaker 21: when you compare us with other advanced countries and the OECD,

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Speaker 21: we're paying about nine percent more on average for our groceries.

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Speaker 21: That's a worry. That is hundreds of dollars every year potentially.

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Speaker 21: And what I'm also worried about is that with a

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Speaker 21: lack of competition, you don't get the choice that you

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Speaker 21: see in other markets. If you're in Australia and many communities,

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Speaker 21: you actually have the choice to go to an Aldi.

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Speaker 21: Now it has more limited stock, but it's cheaper and

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Speaker 21: I know a lot of New Zealanders just want that choice.

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Speaker 21: Is there a cheaper option, a different option, and right

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Speaker 21: now our market and most parts of the country doesn't

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Speaker 21: have that. So competition is about price, it's also about

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Speaker 21: variety and choice. It's about innovation because there's evidence that

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Speaker 21: our supermarkets aren't innovating in the same way that you're

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Speaker 21: seeing overseas because they don't have to. There's not huge

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Speaker 21: amounts of competitive pressure on them. I believe in markets, Ryan,

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Speaker 21: competitive markets. I'm a backer of business and private enterprise,

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Speaker 21: but for that to deliver the dividends, it has to

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Speaker 21: be truly competitive. And the evidence is pretty clear that

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Speaker 21: here in New Zealand we have a functional duopoly. We

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Speaker 21: have the effects of market power, which is that the

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Speaker 21: big providers don't need to provide the price pressure or

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Speaker 21: have the relationships with supplies they would in a competitive market.

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Speaker 2: We asked the former managing director at Costco, Patrick Known,

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Speaker 2: this afternoon, what are the main barriers to getting into

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Speaker 2: New Zealand government regulation.

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Speaker 3: I suppose real estate prices was a massive barrier and

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Speaker 3: is a massive barriers. Just not a lot of retail

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Speaker 3: space available to be purchased or a rent, so I

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Speaker 3: think that's a huge barrier. And then logistics as well,

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Speaker 3: stuff into the country at a nice timely manner.

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Speaker 2: Both far and away. The biggest issue was lands owning.

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Speaker 21: That's government absolutely, and we are tackling that by replacing

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Speaker 21: the RMA at the same time. Ryan. Right now, according

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Speaker 21: to the Grocery Commissioner, the supermarkets are holding at least

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Speaker 21: forty six properties which they haven't used for retail for

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Speaker 21: more than twenty years. So that to me suggests that

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Speaker 21: the current incumbents are land banking based holding sites, so

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Speaker 21: that others well, they are, but and the Grocery Commissioner

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Speaker 21: is looking into progress on that. But there are still

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Speaker 21: sites that they hold and traditionally, of course they used

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Speaker 21: covenants and other tools.

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Speaker 16: But we sought to block out new entrance.

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Speaker 2: We sorted that out, didn't we. I mean that's part

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Speaker 2: of what the last out.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, we've now banned the use of covenance. But my

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Speaker 21: point is there are still land holdings which the Grocery

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Speaker 21: commission is looking into because they want to know do

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Speaker 21: they own them for real reason or are they owning

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Speaker 21: them to block out the competition. So that's one of

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Speaker 21: the issues that we need to look at. But I'm

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Speaker 21: a big believer too. We need to get rid of

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Speaker 21: the zoning laws and requirements in the RMA that have

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Speaker 21: made it too hard for all kinds of industries to

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Speaker 21: develop and expand I'm absolutely on that agenda. Let's get

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Speaker 21: that red tape out of the.

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Speaker 2: Way, Okay, fairies. Winston Peters was on the show earlier,

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Speaker 2: so basically you had an option which was following the

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Speaker 2: advice of the working group which didn't include rail. Can

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Speaker 2: you let us in on what the price difference was

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Speaker 2: between the no rail option that you didn't go that

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Speaker 2: Cabinet hasn't gone with, and Winston's option with rail.

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Speaker 21: All I can tell you is that this deal that

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Speaker 21: we've done is going to deliver a far far more

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Speaker 21: affordable option than was being proposed by the past government.

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Speaker 21: And you'll understand that revealing our budget to third parties

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Speaker 21: that would usually be a pretty pause strategy for get

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Speaker 21: value for goodluck money.

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Speaker 2: So we're not going to be Minister. That's not what

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you to do. What I'm asking you is

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Speaker 2: to tell us the difference in price between what you

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Speaker 2: had proposed and what you've gone with.

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Speaker 21: Well, that's yet to be determined because it rests on

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Speaker 21: the negotiations which are now going to occur, both for

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Speaker 21: the purchase of ships and for infrastructure development proposal.

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Speaker 2: Let me be out to stay. Let me be more specific.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me the price difference in estimate between

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Speaker 2: the two?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 21: I can't. What I can tell you infrastructure side, No

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Speaker 21: I can't, because actually we want to do a good

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Speaker 21: commercial deal. We're not going to have the will pulled

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Speaker 21: over our eyes, like the last guys who allowed you

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Speaker 21: but the price to be read without because they knew

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Speaker 21: the taxpayer was on the hook.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this number is different.

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Speaker 21: I'm not going to put them in jepidy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not telling us the number that you've

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Speaker 2: got available to spend, just the difference between what you're

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Speaker 2: not spending and what you are spending, which is not

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Speaker 2: telling them anything.

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Speaker 21: But that number is yet to be determined because it

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Speaker 21: depends on the results of negotiations taking place.

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Speaker 2: I'm moving on because getting boring for people? Do you

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01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: think are you let me ask you never boring?

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Speaker 21: Ryme ask boring questions?

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Speaker 2: With having Winston around the cabinet table, do you do

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01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: you appreciate having someone like that? I mean, he didn't

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01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 2: quite say that he was, you know, the old smart

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Speaker 2: man in the room, but he's sort of implied it.

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Speaker 2: Is it nice to have someone around the table like that.

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Speaker 21: Look, I get along well with Winston. He's obviously got

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Speaker 21: a different perspective online. I'm a forty four year old

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01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,799
Speaker 21: woman with four kids. He's a man who's almost eighty.

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01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 21: We've got different perspectives and different experiences to bring to

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Speaker 21: the table, and I think that's a good mix. I

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Speaker 21: think what we've demonstrated over the past few months is teamwork.

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Speaker 2: Very nicely put minister, never boring, Appreciate your time, Nichola Willis,

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Speaker 2: Who's Steve Finance Minister? Sixteen after six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duples see Allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: ZIBBI News Talk ZMB. It is nineteen minutes after six.

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Speaker 2: I like this text. It says, Ryan, You've got to

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Speaker 2: admit that Nicola Willis did Burn. You're pretty good there

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Speaker 2: in that response to the boring statement. I have to agree.

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Speaker 2: Consider me Burn. Shane Solly's with US harbor Asset Management,

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Speaker 2: Shane good evening. Get it right, Hey, Donald Trump, We've

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Speaker 2: got Liberation Day coming April second, so we're just a

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Speaker 2: few days away. Now, what do we know? What can

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Speaker 2: we say that we know about the tariffs that are

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Speaker 2: potentially coming our way?

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Speaker 22: Well, it's a really good point, so euphemistically Liberation Day.

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Speaker 22: Some pretty chunky increases in towers, Canada, Mexico and China,

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Speaker 22: and potentially what they call in the DWTY fifteen, a

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01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 22: bunch of companies there for more than fifteen percent persistent

1443
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 22: trade surpluses with the US. Look funziand it's a risk, right.

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01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 22: We're not directly in the targets of the US tabs,

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01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 22: but we are exposed to this trade disruption, including this

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Speaker 22: reciprocal trade tafts. And so we think we are already

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01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 22: potentially seeing that slowing pace of recovery in New Zealand

1448
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Speaker 22: economy reflects some of this weariness around terrace, businesses holding back,

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01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 22: and the risk for US is that we get caught

1450
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 22: up in the middle of a global trade war. Look,

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01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 22: we're going to find out on Wednesday night in New

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Speaker 22: Zeon time. We know that there's lots of room for

1453
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 22: movement between now and then Ryan. This is a trade

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01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 22: negotiation done by mister Trump. There's lots of things that

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01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 22: could move. So it's hard to be definitive, but we

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01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:24,799
Speaker 22: are facing a bit of a headpoint.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What is the headwind going to do to growth forecasts?

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Speaker 22: Yeah? I think particularly in the US, we've already seen

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Speaker 22: a number of forecasts dial back their growth reflecting this

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Speaker 22: tariffs and also the government spending push by the Trump government.

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Speaker 22: So we have seen growth forecasts drop from around five

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Speaker 22: percentage where they currently are to out the next few

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Speaker 22: years right down sort of med fours, and so we

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Speaker 22: are seeing that being a risk for US economic activity.

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Speaker 22: There's a little bit of an offset globally simply we're

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Speaker 22: seeing Europe and China announcing spending increases by their governments

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Speaker 22: and we've seen a bit of a lift and activity there.

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Speaker 22: But certainly there's a risk to global growth from this

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Speaker 22: US economy coming off what's been a pretty strong run.

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Speaker 2: We've had the A and Z Business Outlooks Survey for

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Speaker 2: the month of March out today. What are we hearing

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Speaker 2: from that?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, look, you know again were slightly more. Business confidence

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Speaker 22: is okay, and new zeone we have seen it sort

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Speaker 22: of hold up at positive levels, suggesting there's a bit

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Speaker 22: of a this gradual recovery we're seeing new ze on

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Speaker 22: it's likely to continue. Certainly not all positive. There's an

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Speaker 22: investment in employment intentions a bit of a slip, and

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Speaker 22: pricing intentions going up, so that's something the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 22: will be watching for. But this sort of lead indicator,

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Speaker 22: we're seeing enough positivity coming through and own activity that's

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Speaker 22: the real gauge of how do you can give up

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Speaker 22: your own business? Your own activity that actually increased four

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Speaker 22: points to plus forty nine, so not quite fifty fifty

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Speaker 22: is where we want to see growth, but we're getting

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Speaker 22: back to it.

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Speaker 2: This is obviously the last day of the March quarter.

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Speaker 2: How are capital markets responding. We've got increased uncert the globally,

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Speaker 2: which you've touched on. We've got the potential trade terrorists,

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Speaker 2: but we've also got the geopolitical situation. How are capital

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Speaker 2: markets respawning?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's been a pretty pretty rugged quarter. We certainly

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Speaker 22: going to invest a risk tolerance for There's there's a

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Speaker 22: lot of growth wal quests to come through, so some

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Speaker 22: of the higher risk high growth as it's like, for example,

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Speaker 22: shares maker the generally forms what defensive assets have done

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Speaker 22: but better. Probably the interesting ones of things like the

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Speaker 22: US dollar is this thing called the d x ys

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Speaker 22: US Dollar Index. It's fallen from one hundred and eight

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Speaker 22: at the end of December to one hundred and four

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Speaker 22: and hour, so about four percent. You're kind of a

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 22: big deal. That's where people park their money when they

1503
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 22: want to be saved. But what has really performed arians

1504
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 22: goal up almost seventeen or actually eighteen percent to just

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01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 22: add a three one hundred US prounce. That just shows

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01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 22: how anxious investors are our worried there about this global setting.

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01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 22: They've gone back to the og defensive asset, so quite

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01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 22: a big spring. We've gone from markets pricing and perfection

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 22: at the end of December, two markets pricing and a

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01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 22: degree of chaos at the end of March.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Shane, thank you very much for that. Shane, Sally

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Speaker 2: Harbor Resset Management with us on your Monday evening, twenty

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01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: three minutes after six. We send an email to the

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Speaker 2: group of consultants that the Minister has our tasked with

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01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 2: looking into supermarkets and they send us a reply back

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01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: which is a little shocking, a little unusual. I'll read

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Speaker 2: it for you next.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1519
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:34,440
Speaker 1: The business hour with Ryan Bridge and their's insurance and investments.

1520
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future newstalks edb.

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01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: It is twenty six minutes after six. So we wanted

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Speaker 2: to interview a guy called Tim Morris from consultancy firm Coriolis.

1523
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 2: Now Coriolis is currently doing work for MB on the

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Speaker 2: supermarkets at the request of Nikola Willis, who we just

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Speaker 2: had on the show. Anyway, so he emailed us. He

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Speaker 2: emailed us back saying this. This is verbotom. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to quote MB asked us at this early point in

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Speaker 2: their process to refer all media inquiries to them. Besides,

1529
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: we are way too busy working to be media whores

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01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: right now. That's a full time job. Good luck with

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01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: your story, which is I mean, this is a pretty

1532
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 2: unusual language for a consultant, right anyway. We put this

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01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: to MB This is our poor producers who have to

1534
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,879
Speaker 2: deal with a lot of crap here at the program.

1535
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 2: Put this to MB ask what if it's appropriate? They said, no,

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01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: it's not appropriate anyway. Next thing in the inbox to

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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 2: our producer is an email from to Morris. Again, my

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01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 2: apologies for the previous language. Use of this sort of

1539
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: rough discourse when representing his majesty the King is of

1540
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: course unacceptable. I'll buy you lunch in the future to

1541
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 2: make it up to you. The fourth and frank language

1542
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 2: that I normally use will return once this project is complete.

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01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 2: I guess there's no changing his His words are there,

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01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 2: but slightly oropriate for our game producers to here, I

1545
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 2: would have thought twenty eight minutes after six.

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01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: Croaching the numbers and getting the results, it's Ryan Bridge

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01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: with the Business Hour and mes Insurance and Investments, Grew

1548
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: your wealth, Protect your future.

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01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 18: The News Talks edby.

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01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 23: Palmydy Bummy get first breaking back, just keeping.

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01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 2: There's twenty five away from seven News Talks MB. We'll

1552
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 2: get to Gavin Gray in the UK. He's standing by

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01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: me with us before the top of the hour. The

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01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: ASB economic update that was out today for March looked

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01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 2: at the housing market and I didn't quite realize. I mean,

1556
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 2: you see the numbers, but you never quite think about it.

1557
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 2: New Zealand house prices are currently about fifteen percent below

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01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one peaks that was the post COVID craze,

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01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 2: remember that. So that is more than a quarter lower

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Speaker 2: when you're talking about inflation adjusted numbers. And they're talking

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Speaker 2: about the recovery, and people have been talking about this

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Speaker 2: for a very long time. ASB predicts five percent over

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Speaker 2: this year and then a stronger recovery from twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: But it's still going to take away while it's going

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01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 2: to take a week while. And somebody was showing me

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Speaker 2: a graph the other day they reckon the market. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to be sitting here predicting and pretending

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Speaker 2: that I know what I'm talking about, but they were

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01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 2: saying that the market would be peaking again if you

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Speaker 2: look at the cycles. In twenty thirty, twenty four Away

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Speaker 2: from seven Thomas Commission found that Auckland Airport has been

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Speaker 2: overcharging airlines since twenty twenty three. The airport lowered their

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Speaker 2: upcoming price increases after being found to have overcharged by

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Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety million dollars. Barnes executive director Katho

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Speaker 2: Bryan's with us now, kath good evening, Good evening, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: How is it possible to overcharge by that amount without

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Speaker 2: realizing what you're doing?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 24: Look, the wonderful thing in New Zealand is the airport's

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Speaker 24: concept prices as they see fit, which means that they

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Speaker 24: can set their target return kind of as they wish,

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Speaker 24: and they do that, and then a couple of years

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Speaker 24: later the Commerce Commission comes along and has a little

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Speaker 24: look at that and in this case has found that

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Speaker 24: it's a little bit excess. So Auckland Airport has very

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Speaker 24: slightly lowered those prices or that all that target return,

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Speaker 24: which has an effective lowering the prices, and then they

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Speaker 24: will gaily carry on increasing prices to cover the infrastructure happily.

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Speaker 2: Ever after, how does this impact airlines? How is it

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Speaker 2: impacting the airlines? Oh?

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Speaker 24: Look, you know the age old problem of Auckland Airport.

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Speaker 24: You know this this monopoly of monopoly airports that is

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Speaker 24: seventy five percent or thereabouts of the traffic into New Zealand.

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Speaker 24: You know, is building a substantial you know, airport building.

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Speaker 24: It essentially a new airport to replace the old one,

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Speaker 24: and that's costing something like six billion odd dollars which

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Speaker 24: will be recovered all from airlines flying here. And that

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Speaker 24: has the effect of raising prices for airlines all the time.

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Speaker 24: And this report today is just about the target return

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Speaker 24: or the profit margin that Auckland Airport can also recover,

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Speaker 24: as well as the cost of the bills. But we

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Speaker 24: still have to pay for the cost of the build.

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Speaker 24: So that's the real challenges that prices will continue to

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Speaker 24: rise for years and years and years.

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Speaker 2: That's your big bug bear, isn't it. It's the build

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01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 2: not yes, but it really is. But if we will

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Speaker 2: all get a better airport out of it, and if

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Speaker 2: we don't invest now, it'll cost us more tomorrow.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, look totally. And if we do need to invest

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Speaker 24: and we do need to improve the airport, but I

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Speaker 24: am not so sure that we need to spend upwards

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Speaker 24: of six billion odd dollars without even getting a second runway,

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Speaker 24: you know, to get to get the job done. And

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Speaker 24: what concerns me more is that the increasing prices may

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Speaker 24: impact demand for destination. New Zealand. Auckland Airport is already

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Speaker 24: seeing flat demand for air services and that would be

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Speaker 24: fine if airport's all over the world were also seeing

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Speaker 24: flat demand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not, but they're not taple of recovering quicker

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Speaker 2: than Usah, So have we got like the Ferrari if

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Speaker 2: we're comparing this to the ferries, have we got a

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Speaker 2: Ferrari version of an airport upgrade when what we need

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Speaker 2: is a Toyota?

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01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 24: Is that what you're saying, Well, certainly, we've got a

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Speaker 24: very expensive airport upgrade that includes a wonderful road that

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Speaker 24: goes all the way to a shopping mall, and eventually

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Speaker 24: we'll have to include a bridge to join from the south,

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Speaker 24: replacing that connection because of the traffic to the shopping mall.

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Speaker 24: And we've got an extensive property portfolio that surrounds the airport,

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01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 24: none of them come from which actually has to go

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01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 24: into the airport are building. All of that is recovered

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01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 24: from prices. So we have this regulatory setup which is

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Speaker 24: actually doing New Zealand as a disservice. And one of

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Speaker 24: the great things about this Commerce Commission report that's come

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01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,879
Speaker 24: out today is that it actually canvases the sorts of things,

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Speaker 24: sorts of other regulation that policymakers could apply if they

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Speaker 24: so chose, and if there was to be an investigation,

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01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,919
Speaker 24: these are the sorts of things that we would consider.

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01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 24: And so I think, you know, really that places the

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Speaker 24: ball firmly in Minister Simpson's court, the Minister of Commerce,

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01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 24: to see whether he will make a move.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, well, they've certainly got an appetite for making moves

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01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 2: at the moment. It might be that you've timed it right, Kath.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Kath O'Brien,

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01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 2: executive director of Barnes. It's twenty to seven news talk,

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01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: said b We with Gavin Gray out of the UK.

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01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 18: Next.

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01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all

1649
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance

1650
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: These talks b seventeen minutes away from seven on news Talk,

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01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: said b Gavin Gray's our UK correspondent, Gavin. Hello, Hi,

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01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: that good evening, Good evening. Now, Liberation Day is fast approaching.

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01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 2: This is the US side of it. But the terroriffs

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01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 2: that could have ventuid as a result would be really

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01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 2: devastating for the UK. But there's a potential deal here

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01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: and actually the soundings coming from both your side and

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01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:15,839
Speaker 2: the Washington actually sounding relatively positive. How has it been engaged?

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, I think that's about right. So there was

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01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 8: a call last night at our time, less than twelve

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Speaker 8: hours ago between our Prime Minister Sekir Starmer and Donald Trump,

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01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 8: the US President. The difference I think that the UK

1663
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 8: is arguing over many other nations, particularly the EU block

1664
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 8: as a whole, is that the UK has a relatively

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01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 8: equal trading relationship with the US compared to its other partners.

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01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 8: In other words, we import as much from the US

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01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 8: export in a rough way. We're also very fearful, of course,

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01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 8: as men are, about what it'll do to our economy

1669
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,839
Speaker 8: if they do tariffs and we fire back with tariffs.

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01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 8: The governments that have official watchdog on these things, the

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01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 8: Office for Budget Responsibility, says that a reciprocal trade war

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01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 8: could wipe billion from the economy, with the GDP next

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01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 8: year azero point six percent lower than forecast and one

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01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 8: percent lower than next year. So this is big, big

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01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 8: deals to be done. And apparently the phone call went well.

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01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 8: But of course it is a bit of a race

1677
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 8: against time as these taxes are due in shortly. But

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01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,799
Speaker 8: the government here as well making it clear that actually

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01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 8: they are willing and ready to reciprocate with trade taxes

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01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 8: if necessary, but that is something that I think they're

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01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 8: desperate to avoid because of course, if there is less

1682
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 8: growth in this economy, it'll mean that the current forecasting

1683
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 8: for how the economy is going to go will be

1684
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 8: way off, and that means that it's going to wipe

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01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 8: out that headroom for the finance minister when it came

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01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 8: to her plans for taxing the economy and send a

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Speaker 8: spending and saving money.

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Speaker 2: The Marine lapin right right when candidate in France, she's

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01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: going to have a bit of a moment shortly before

1690
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 2: the courts.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is really crucially important for her future as

1692
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 8: a politician, but also I think for the politics of France.

1693
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 8: So she is due in court in just a couple

1694
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 8: of hours time now for a verdict on a trial

1695
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 8: targeting her National Rally party and also targeting her Now

1696
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 8: she stands accused of using European Union parliamentary money in

1697
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 8: order to pay party salaries Ryan and of course that

1698
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 8: is not allowed. Those are the accusations which she denies.

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01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 8: Now the prosecutors are suggesting not just a fine fairly

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01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 8: hefty more than half a million New Zealand dollars, but

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01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 8: also a prison term and get this and an ineligibility

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01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 8: from running for public office for five years. In other words,

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01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 8: she would have to go and be dropped from the

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01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 8: twenty twenty seven presidential race. Now currently she is sitting

1705
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 8: very very firmly at the top of the opinion polls

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01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 8: in some of these things, certainly first or second place.

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01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 8: And so consequently, if she is banned from basically standing

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01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 8: for public office for five years, that would completely scupper that.

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01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,799
Speaker 8: And indeed there are senior figures also within her party

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01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 8: also on trial at this affair, So that would really

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Speaker 8: leave her a thorough handicap to trying to run in

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Speaker 8: twenty seven, and something that would be difficult to overturn

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Speaker 8: in time for her fourth presidential race and the one

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Speaker 8: offering the greatest chance of victory for her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting stuff, now not as interesting as this. This

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Speaker 2: Polish election story, the president's elections story quite a good one.

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Speaker 2: What's happened so.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, a Polish presidential election now in a couple of months.

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Speaker 8: One of the main candidates at the moment. The second

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Speaker 8: set of favorite is a guy called Carol Narok, and

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Speaker 8: he has been widely ridiculed after it's now emerged that

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Speaker 8: he went on television disguised to praise a book. What

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01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 8: we didn't know at the time was the book he

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01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 8: was praising was one he had written. He wrote this

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01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 8: book that is about basically mafia and gangland related crime.

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01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 8: It's fiction, obviously, that he had gone on wearing dark

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01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,759
Speaker 8: glasses and a big coat and seemed to be slightly

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01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 8: out of focus, creating a pseudonym for himself and saying

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Speaker 8: what a great book this was, how it really inspired

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Speaker 8: this historian that he claimed to be, and also a

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Speaker 8: social media post saying that he had met the author,

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Speaker 8: saying how good it was to meet him, and that

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Speaker 8: the author thanked him for this interesting book. All very

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01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 8: very bizarre. It has created a storm of mockery on

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Speaker 8: Polish social media, although it has to be said that

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01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 8: Carol Naraki himself is not that bothered about it. He

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01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 8: said literary pseudonyms are nothing new in Polish academia and

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01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 8: then praised himself again. There was only one historian in

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01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 8: Poland who had the courage to study organized crime, and

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01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 8: I was that historian, he says, So he's kind of

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01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 8: doubling down on this. But yeah, plenty of Polish people

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01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 8: finding this very amusing and wondering if he's going to

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01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 8: stand this his real self or as his disguise self.

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Speaker 2: To Bob each way to go with both, I'd say, Gavin,

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01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 2: thank you for that. Kevin Gray, our UK correspondent, is

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Speaker 2: eleven minutes away from seven News Talks EBB.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather to for see Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: News Talks eb nine minutes away from seven. Great to

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01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 2: have your company tonight. So the world's sort of on edge.

1751
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 2: We're all waiting for Trump, aren't we. We're all waiting

1752
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 2: for Donald Trump to come out and say this is

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01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,759
Speaker 2: the rate of the reciprocal tariff. These are the countries

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01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 2: that will apply to or is it all of us

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01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 2: or is it specific industries? Are there carve outs anyway

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01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 2: we're supposed to. Everyone is saying April the second, which

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01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 2: is in what a couple of days time, on Wednesday,

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01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 2: so we would find out Thursday, but we're not actually

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01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 2: sure that that's what will happen on that day. That's

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01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 2: just the day that he's getting all the information or

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01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 2: the report on what he could potentially do, So we

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01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 2: don't know for sure that it's going to be announced

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01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 2: on that day. So that's the first problem. The second

1764
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 2: problem is what's happening with the markets today. The ensed

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01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 2: exits down, the Australian, the aux is down one point

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01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 2: five to four percent, Japan they're down four percent, South

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01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 2: Korea down to nearly three percent. There. CNN's running the

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01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 2: headline that Asia Pacific shares are tumbling. I don't know

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01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 2: that we'd go that far, but were certainly in the

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01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 2: case of Japan when they opened. But they're all worried

1771
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 2: about the same thing. They're worried about Donald Trump and

1772
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 2: what's he going to do. And no one will ever

1773
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 2: guess what Donald Trump's going to do. That's the beauty

1774
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 2: or the magic of him, isn't it. You're never quite

1775
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 2: sure what you're going to get and is it all

1776
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 2: just threats or is it real? Is it perceived? You

1777
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So anyway, people are freaking out

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01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 2: on the markets, but not to a massive extent, not

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01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 2: something you need to write home about just yet. I

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01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't think. Over the weekend, I had the pleasure of

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01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 2: going to Symphony, which was quite an amazing experience actually

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01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 2: at the Auckland Domain, and I haven't been to a

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01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 2: gig for a long time. We learnt on Friday. It's

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01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: the largest one day festival in New Zealand now with

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01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,440
Speaker 2: forty thousand people going. I thought it was a success.

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01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 2: I thought it was an excellent event. Got there easily,

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01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 2: left easily. There was a bus actually that just took

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01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 2: us straight away from the venue, so you didn't have

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01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 2: to worry about getting an uber and how you were

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01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 2: going to get home. Took us straight into the city

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01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 2: and dropped you off. It smelt like vomit, but that

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01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: didn't worry me at the time anyway. Fantastic event, So

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01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 2: congratulations through everyone who put that on and to those

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01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: who went as you were it. Did you enjoy yourself?

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01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I was gonna say, I didn't realize there

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01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 5: was just a free bus dropping you into the city. Well,

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01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 5: clearly I went the wrong way when I walked, and

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01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,520
Speaker 5: I walked all the way to the city center.

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Speaker 2: Like a mug. No it was, I mean, I don't

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01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 2: know if it was put on the specially. Yeah.

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01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 5: Again, I was going to say, then, did they wave

1802
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 5: you out of the crowd and go yeah, No?

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01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 2: No it was no.

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01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a very good.

1805
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 2: Event, a great event.

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01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 5: Daru did this really cool thing where he got the

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01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 5: crowd to chant and then recorded the sound and then

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01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 5: mixed it into a new song like live on stage there,

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01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 5: which I thought was quite impressive.

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Speaker 2: Very I didn't notice that.

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01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but Auckland Philharmonia as well. I can see why. Yeah,

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01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 5: it's they put on a They put on a hicck

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01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 5: of a show with that one. I enjoyed the orchestra

1814
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 5: part a lot more than I thought I would.

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01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, the orchestra part was my favorite bit actually, And

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01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 2: apparently it's quite as it's going to be. I mean,

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01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 2: I think they're doing some stuff overseas already, but going

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01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: to be quite a big thing around the world. It's

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01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 2: something you can package up and sell and tour and

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01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 2: take with you, so quite a potentially quite a big

1821
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 2: earner for them as well. So anyway, a great event

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01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 2: had by all quite different scenes. I mentioned to Cooper

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01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 2: Dooper and Wellington where it's one. Tamitha Pool performed an

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01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 2: antie police DJ set apparently what are we going out

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01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 2: to tonight?

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01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 5: Ants well actually probably kind of similar to Killing in

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01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 5: the Name really but maybe a little bit more watered down.

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01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 5: Lincoln Park has put some new music out. This of

1829
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 5: course is with the new vocalist Emily Armstrong and Mike

1830
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 5: Schnader obviously keeping his vocal role as well. This song

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01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 5: is called Up from the Bottom and apparently they wrote

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01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 5: and recorded in between when they were going on their

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01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 5: zero World tour.

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01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 2: Excellent. Enjoy everybody, see your mind, open your minds there

1835
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:10,759
Speaker 2: when nothing is the same.

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01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 9: Kind of train as I realized that no one.

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01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 2: Not blame you keep me.

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01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 13: Now bids like a nine posting suck.

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01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 18: Brises. Listen, we can number kind of name.

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01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: Open your eyes and nothing's gonna change. You change sucking

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01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 2: lit a kind of trains. I haven't realize that there's

1842
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 2: no one nothing, Bunny, you keep me everybody out That

1843
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 2: devil is coming coursing all his lifting.

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01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 18: His words mean nothing is cool like a mountain top.

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01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: Father never loved him, Mama sick's bad enough time that

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01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 1: is stuck and everybody out that.

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01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 18: Devil is coming.

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01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,440
Speaker 2: Promise you the world Buddy's.

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01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 18: Always puff him before.

1850
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 2: You needn't know where's trapped.

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01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 18: You're stuck in. He's gone like a coast, already up running.

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01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 23: Wait down here, so far below, steering up.

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01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 2: From the bottom.

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01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 3: Up from the bottom.

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