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Speaker 2: Another world title slipped from the black Cats grass, but
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Speaker 2: week goes back over the World T twenty with Masterstroke
Speaker 2: by Razine helping you master your decorating projects. A world
Speaker 2: first in our domestic game, the first player in the
Speaker 2: long history of all first class creers to take five
Speaker 2: writes in five bore and in fact six in eight.
Speaker 2: It's the total of seven to twelve better than just once.
Speaker 2: Something special. Had a chance to reflect on two significant
Speaker 2: achievements in the women's game, but it's back to the
Speaker 2: review of the World T twenty, beaten in the final
Speaker 2: by an Indian side who are now going to have
Speaker 2: to withstand social media because there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: getting at them about the quality of bats they're using,
Speaker 2: jasprick bloomber chucks, and just about everything is being thrown
Speaker 2: at them because of the poor losers. What Eric and Jerry,
Speaker 2: they deserve to win that game. New Zealand had a
Speaker 2: chance by winning a toss, but they just didn't bowl
Speaker 2: well enough to they.
Speaker 5: No, that's probably fair. It was pretty comprehensive win for India,
Speaker 5: wasn't it. The power play kind has summed it up.
Speaker 5: Ninety or something like that without loss for India and
Speaker 5: forty five for three or so for New Zealand.
Speaker 6: So half the runs and about a.
Speaker 5: Third of the wickets. So yeah, New Zealand bob poorly.
Speaker 5: Nothing kind of seemed to work, did it? Pace off,
Speaker 5: it was hit, Then they went short and that was hit.
Speaker 5: Then they went wide hole and that was either a
Speaker 5: wide or a hit. Nineteen fours and eighteen six's. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know in India also got that extra over with
Speaker 5: the wides, didn't they. So yeah, two fifty five just
Speaker 5: wags on you. You know, the way you got to play.
Speaker 5: I mean you can't even see off the power player
Speaker 5: after your two down and get say eight or nine
Speaker 5: and over up until the ninth or the tenths and
Speaker 5: so you've still got some of your batting resources to
Speaker 5: go for the last eleven overs in your innings. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean even if you go at eight or nine
Speaker 5: and over, that's if it's nine, it's eighty one, that
Speaker 5: still leaves you one hundred and seventy five to get.
Speaker 5: So you still in the next eleven overs needs sixteen
Speaker 5: runs and over, or if it's eight it then you
Speaker 5: need sixteen points seven runs. So it kind of rules
Speaker 5: that out and you just got to keep going and
Speaker 5: don't forget. If you've got eleven ods, two of those
Speaker 5: overs are going to be from boomer, aren't they. So
Speaker 5: you have to keep going. And simply their bowlers had
Speaker 5: more skill than ours.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they played the conditions.
Speaker 2: They had the crowd behind them, they had everything going
Speaker 2: their way, and of course they'd scored two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty previously and defended that against England. So Peter Holland,
Speaker 2: who's back with this and been enjoying the World T twenty.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a performance that deserved them the title. And
Speaker 2: New Zealand really can come away with some credit, can't they.
Speaker 3: I think that's basically when the script didn't it was
Speaker 3: how it was supposed to be. It was how it
Speaker 3: was planned from the outset, as.
Speaker 6: We all do.
Speaker 8: If you're talking about the way the tournament was organized
Speaker 8: and the pictures and the grounds and that, are you okay, Well.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's been a little bit sort of our tongue
Speaker 3: in cheekish a bit, but it did rather go to
Speaker 3: script and what we didn't have. And I recall the
Speaker 3: last time there was a significant one day at that
Speaker 3: same round, there was a certain player who took the
Speaker 3: game away from India, Travis Head. We didn't have one
Speaker 3: of those this time. We had one last last week
Speaker 3: against South Africa and that was that was a phenomenal performance.
Speaker 3: But you need one of those really. But as you say, Jerry,
Speaker 3: when you're staring down the barrel at two fifty glass,
Speaker 3: you can't make a mistake, you know, and things have
Speaker 3: got to go your way. Yeah, the half hit that
Speaker 3: just dropped through the middle, that sort of stuff, I
Speaker 3: must say, when what ching it the ball against? When
Speaker 3: in India were batting, the ball just kept whizzing out
Speaker 3: of the park. It was just as you said eighteen
Speaker 3: six is it just kept going and no matter what
Speaker 3: you did, as you said, whenever they try it went.
Speaker 3: There's one particular shot that I saw Karter hit and
Speaker 3: back in the olden days when you were playing Jerry,
Speaker 3: he couldn't hit them. Apparently this is a low full toss. Well,
Speaker 3: Henry by one of those, and he just literally wizzed
Speaker 3: it out of the park dead flat, six runs, Thanks
Speaker 3: very much. I mean that that's sort of to me
Speaker 3: something up. I thought it's their.
Speaker 2: Day, yeah, and they played accordingly. They fitted into the
Speaker 2: style of play. They're specialists at that. Some of those
Speaker 2: players will never see the light of day in the
Speaker 2: Test match arena. Some have, but they've got it down
Speaker 2: to an art. Question being posed, is anybody going to
Speaker 2: beat them? Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or
Speaker 2: not it's a tournament.
Speaker 5: Well South Africa did. Yeah, South Africa beat them and
Speaker 5: stuffed them. You know, so it is possible. Maybe maybe
Speaker 5: not on those kinds of surfaces where the ball does
Speaker 5: such a little. I mean, I've got to say that
Speaker 5: as far as their bowlings was concerned, I saw ash
Speaker 5: Deep and Pandia. Pandia went for twenty one off his
Speaker 5: first over, but the next three went for fourteen and
Speaker 5: so that was it. He came back pulled it back.
Speaker 5: But they both swing the ball, and they both swing
Speaker 5: the ball both ways. Now you know Aksha Patel. So
Speaker 5: so you've got two opening bowlers swinging the ball in
Speaker 5: or out. Now, none of our bowlers do that, and
Speaker 5: it's something we have to sort of look at to
Speaker 5: upskill ourselves just a bit too. Actua Patel came on
Speaker 5: very quick, skiddy, tight line delivered so that the ball
Speaker 5: comes off the smooth part of the ball and not
Speaker 5: the seam, so it skids at you and stays low.
Speaker 5: And our players tend to hang back against spin bowling,
Speaker 5: so it's.
Speaker 6: Hard to get underneath.
Speaker 5: And you know, then you have someone like Boomra bowling
Speaker 5: those deceptive slower deliveries right hitting the base of the stumps.
Speaker 5: He went for three point seventy five runs and over
Speaker 5: you know those that is skill. One of their our
Speaker 5: nineteen overs was bowled by abershek Heaven's sake anyway, So
Speaker 5: they just had a bit too much control. They had
Speaker 5: the big runs behind them and never never, the innings
Speaker 5: never got going, did it. We lost wickets third, fourth, fifth, eighth, ninths,
Speaker 5: so we were five down for eighty odd and the
Speaker 5: nineteen cent and was in you know, so we hit
Speaker 5: we were either trying to hit six's and got out
Speaker 5: Allen and Seifered and Mitchell, or we were deceived Ravendra,
Speaker 5: or there was pace on and quite wide Chapman dragging
Speaker 5: it back on or the reoccurring issue of Phillip's getting
Speaker 5: one passed in between Bat and padd He was bold
Speaker 5: a lot in this tournament. So New Zealand, I'm afraid
Speaker 5: played their final last week. It wasn't this game. It
Speaker 5: was just a game early.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things about that kind of competition too,
Speaker 2: isn't it that they have to live with that. But
Speaker 2: you know, they come home and they've done They've done
Speaker 2: an excellent job. To my mind, they were second and
Speaker 2: clearly second, and that's just something they have to live
Speaker 2: with it as a T twenty tournament and there's a
Speaker 2: whole a lot of luck goes with it, but when
Speaker 2: you're playing, as you say, most in Indian conditions, you're
Speaker 2: always up against it as well.
Speaker 3: I don't think enough can be said about Boomra the
Speaker 3: version of the game bit test bit one day. That
Speaker 3: player is quite freakish in what he can do. I
Speaker 3: think we just should celebrate that, sit back and watch because,
Speaker 3: as you say, Jerry, those deceptive slow ball yalk is
Speaker 3: that clearly are really hard to pick, and he bowls
Speaker 3: them with such control it's really impressive. The other thing
Speaker 3: that I think that where we lack as well as
Speaker 3: is that we don't have those deceptive spins like you
Speaker 3: call deeps and so on, who trouble you particularly in
Speaker 3: those conditions. We've got your orthodox soft spinner, you've got
Speaker 3: a left arm spinner. But that I'm a dosen for
Speaker 3: the for a lot of the players these days. You know,
Speaker 3: there's nothing there's nothing mysterious about what we bring to it.
Speaker 3: I mean we bring we bring vigor and discipline and
Speaker 3: so on. But against this sort of onslaught, if you like,
Speaker 3: you're really not You're struggling, aren't you. But that's said,
Speaker 3: if you lined all the teams up, I still don't
Speaker 3: think that we're the second best of that group. England
Speaker 3: probably played probably overall better than we to South Africa.
Speaker 3: Certainly on their form were better. It's actually to get
Speaker 3: where we got to should be considered them definite pass mark.
Speaker 2: We've been doing it consistently, haven't we reaching those finals
Speaker 2: and or reaching the last four getting a past mark,
Speaker 2: but not really being able to go the full distance.
Speaker 5: No, I think I think, you know, I think our
Speaker 5: bowl is I mean, our seam has kind of struggled
Speaker 5: a bit, didn't they, Henry apart, you know, ten wickets
Speaker 5: and eight innings an economy rate of eight and eight
Speaker 5: point twenty five. So you extrapolate that out, that's a
Speaker 5: total of one sixty five and that's a that's a
Speaker 5: very chasable target.
Speaker 6: I would have thought these days.
Speaker 5: So and one point twenty five wickets every innings, that's
Speaker 5: not too bad.
Speaker 6: But then you look at the others.
Speaker 5: Ferguson nine point nine seven, Jamison ten point two five,
Speaker 5: Nicheum ten point six y five, Duffy ten point eight seven.
Speaker 5: So that's all between between our other semens. That's between
Speaker 5: two a total of two hundred and two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 5: And that's that's starting to push the envelope a bit,
Speaker 5: isn't it. I feel so that Henry did his job,
Speaker 5: bowling in the power play, bowling at the death revender.
Speaker 5: Terms of spin stood up in the absence of Bracewell.
Speaker 5: Most wickets for New Zealand twelve wickets, seven point eight
Speaker 5: for the economy. Rate did really well in Sri Lanka,
Speaker 5: didn't he. That's one point seven wickets pir innings for him,
Speaker 5: and if he's extrapolate the runs out, it's one point
Speaker 5: fifty six. In fact, the spinners did slightly better than
Speaker 5: the seamers in those terms of run rates. Phillips at nine,
Speaker 5: mccontchie at the nine point five centnern is an interesting one,
Speaker 5: isn't it. Right from the start you felt that teams
Speaker 5: were sitting on them. They didn't want to lose wickets
Speaker 5: to Mitchell Satner, so they saw him as a threat
Speaker 5: and they played him more cautiously. Centiner twenty eight overs,
Speaker 5: just two wickets and.
Speaker 6: And seven innings.
Speaker 5: That's just seven fours and so point two of a
Speaker 5: wicket each game. But you get that run rate six
Speaker 5: points sixty one and that's a total of one hundred
Speaker 5: and thirty two if you if you push that out.
Speaker 5: So even though he didn't get the wickets, he did
Speaker 5: a job for New Zealand.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think there's any question. I think that's
Speaker 3: that's that's spot on, Jack. I mean, if you keep
Speaker 3: if you at run rates, as you said, on an
Speaker 3: average of a round about six. I mean that's as
Speaker 3: good as getting wickets, isn't it. Yeah, that's the reality
Speaker 3: of it. And and as you say, you strapped light
Speaker 3: it out in that little termine what you're going to
Speaker 3: look like and what you're going to be chasing. He's
Speaker 3: a class act and across the board fields. I really
Speaker 3: like your style, Captain.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 3: I like to see more of it, not just in
Speaker 3: the one day as perhaps who knows, but no, and
Speaker 3: I think you're right here. They did sit on a
Speaker 3: bit because yeah, he was a threat. But I just
Speaker 3: think that bottombers, bottom liners. I think that we just
Speaker 3: got thumped and in those conditions we needed one which
Speaker 3: was which was doing it Travis Head for us, and
Speaker 3: that didn't happen today, it happened last week.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well they've had that problem, I guess, have a period
Speaker 2: of time and you need one, two, three four to
Speaker 2: do it, not just one. It always seemed as though
Speaker 2: India had somebody who could get eighty off twenty one balls.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's NonStop for the black Caps. Now
Speaker 2: South Africa are almost here. They've picked aside well a
Speaker 2: women's side to play against South Africa and Tea twenties
Speaker 2: and New Zealand will have this when they get home.
Speaker 2: I presume just about home. It's been hard getting out
Speaker 2: of India. The West Indies had to wait over a
Speaker 2: week or something to get a flight out. No one
Speaker 2: bothered to think about getting them home, so they had
Speaker 2: to sit it. India England got a charter flight out
Speaker 2: and away they went. And there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of controversy around that. But are we destined
Speaker 2: to have to accept that this is what T twenty
Speaker 2: Championships are going to be like now? Ground announcements constantly,
Speaker 2: mid over lights, laser beams, Hollywood promotion and all sorts of.
Speaker 7: Gimmicks that are being part of the game. Do we
Speaker 7: have to put up? Is that the way it's going
Speaker 7: to be?
Speaker 3: I think so, Brian, I suspect it is. There seemed
Speaker 3: to be one hundreds of thousand people had a man
Speaker 3: of a bad who weren't complaining. They seem pretty happy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can't see that changing anytime soon. It's
Speaker 3: it's what is it? It's you know, it's a fan,
Speaker 3: it's fan entertainment. That's what apparently we want. That's what
Speaker 3: you want?
Speaker 5: Clearly, Well, I can't see Waddle sitting towards the back
Speaker 5: rows of a stand, listening to those screaming zealots on
Speaker 5: a mic urging him to stand.
Speaker 6: Up, and ooh, are who who are.
Speaker 5: Knocking over his neighbour's coffee as he does so?
Speaker 6: Or their eggs sandwich onto the ground?
Speaker 7: Kiss cam? What about kiss camp? Did they have that?
Speaker 6: I don't know what the hell that means?
Speaker 2: And that's when you get caught out kissing somebody you're
Speaker 2: not supposed to be kissing.
Speaker 6: Oh I see, Oh, well that's that you can mistake that.
Speaker 7: Haven't you heard of the cold Blake?
Speaker 5: But I just I just thought it was nauseating all
Speaker 5: that stuff. I mean it was it was distorting. I
Speaker 5: don't know what gen they're called now, what letter comes
Speaker 5: after it?
Speaker 6: They started at X and it seemed to get to
Speaker 6: Z very quickly.
Speaker 5: But I mean, it's it's rather different, I've got to say,
Speaker 5: than the gentle, decorous, kind of interesting Indians I met
Speaker 5: in the late nineteen eighties when I was there. It's
Speaker 5: very different nowadays, isn't it. Maybe it's just a format.
Speaker 5: Who knows, But I tell you what wats and I
Speaker 5: I guess we won't be in the back seats all
Speaker 5: we wants.
Speaker 7: I certainly won't be. In fact, I've got the monume
Speaker 7: turned down anyway.
Speaker 6: Me too. We're getting very old now too.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably part of it as well. But
Speaker 2: the pictures came in forth some stick and this is
Speaker 2: where you're going to be very careful of social media.
Speaker 2: Matt Henry was quoted as having some comment to make
Speaker 2: about the pictures in the Middenings Break. But I listened
Speaker 2: to it and he never said anything about the pictures.
Speaker 2: And the question was asked, don't know who approves such pictures,
Speaker 2: but it was taken up by Nasa Hussein and he
Speaker 2: basically got into the VCCI and the ICC because they
Speaker 2: seem to be so much entwined. He said, India scored
Speaker 2: literally ninety two runs in the powerplay, which you don't
Speaker 2: see most often in cricket match. You've got to give
Speaker 2: something to the bowlers too as well. This isn't cricket.
Speaker 2: It's manipulation. The spirit of the game is being slapped.
Speaker 2: If this keeps happening, no one will trust the game anymore.
Speaker 2: It's a complete disgrace. Well, it is a manipulation and
Speaker 2: at your point, Jeremy from a previous podcast. The bowlers
Speaker 2: have to get something, don't they.
Speaker 5: Well, if you want to have a cricket equation, yes,
Speaker 5: they'll say. Well, they do get something and they get
Speaker 5: a new ball. And that's why I mentioned swinging the
Speaker 5: ball away. The Indians were capable of swinging it in
Speaker 5: and out. Our bowlers, I think, are a little bit
Speaker 5: set on waiting for the grass or something to assist them,
Speaker 5: so they seem it. We tend to be a seam
Speaker 5: dominated kind of attack. Can't niem swing the ball? You
Speaker 5: tell me what I don't think, for example, we should
Speaker 5: have all seamers. We should have people who can swing it. Now,
Speaker 5: Duffy can a bit. Why can't he swing it in?
Speaker 5: Is that his action?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: I just feel we need to be upskilled individually if
Speaker 5: we want to be able to go to places like India,
Speaker 5: which doesn't grow grass that well all they don't want
Speaker 5: to do it anyway, especially in T twenty matches. So look,
Speaker 5: I feel for the bowlers, I do, But you've just
Speaker 5: got to skill yourself up, don't you. You've got to
Speaker 5: be able to be more accurate at the variety of
Speaker 5: deliveries because if we don't swing it straight, it's dead. Straight,
Speaker 5: and that means you're relying now on pace or links
Speaker 5: or the combination.
Speaker 3: And pace doesn't seem to be an issue. I mean,
Speaker 3: Ferguson just like it. They love it it. It just goes,
Speaker 3: doesn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Ferguson went for forty eight.
Speaker 2: The issue with swing, though, of course, in the past,
Speaker 2: was something that the bowlers didn't want to do because
Speaker 2: the ball would swing down the leg side by it
Speaker 2: where you go, and so they tried to make it
Speaker 2: such that the bowlers weren't swinging it to any great degree.
Speaker 2: All right down leg side is understandable, though sometimes I
Speaker 2: think that the wives are called and it's just because
Speaker 2: the batsman is not good enough to hit them that
Speaker 2: they get called wide. But you know, does that now
Speaker 2: matter that we need to be able to get that
Speaker 2: swing and control the swing.
Speaker 3: Most look, I think that there's just something that says
Speaker 3: same same as what we tend to be a little
Speaker 3: bit of. As Jerry said, we've basically got fast medium
Speaker 3: bowlers on these sort of wickets just just cann't follow
Speaker 3: for these For these players, you need a point of difference.
Speaker 3: That's what Jasper will are brinks, It's what Aksa the
Speaker 3: brings swinging both swinging both ways. You need to bring
Speaker 3: something different otherwise straight and quick. That's just that's just
Speaker 3: not it's not a challenge we all, as I said
Speaker 3: touchdown before, we don't have a really clever, deceptive, a
Speaker 3: spinner or two, whereas the Indians seem to have a
Speaker 3: few of them, don't they. You've got to have a
Speaker 3: point of difference, especially when you're at these flat decks,
Speaker 3: because it's just it's just too easy and and you're
Speaker 3: relying on them making mistake and these players are too good.
Speaker 3: They're not going to make those sort of mistakes. And
Speaker 3: even if one does, you've got three or four others
Speaker 3: are going to come in and and continue to whack
Speaker 3: you because they go long way down, don't they India
Speaker 3: or teams like that, as do teams like for that matter,
Speaker 3: so Africa, they definitely go long way down in batting.
Speaker 3: Even for that matter, with Jack's coming in when he
Speaker 3: does a six, seven and eight and song, So we
Speaker 3: need something different in our bowling and hopefully that's what
Speaker 3: they go they take away from the tournament that we're
Speaker 3: going to look for that do we have those sort
Speaker 3: of players outside of the current crop that we've got
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know. Perhaps you've seen more
Speaker 3: than I have.
Speaker 2: Bright Yeah, well, I mean they're probably there. It's a
Speaker 2: development thing. They've got to be playing more of that
Speaker 2: form of cricket, I suppose. And that's what they talk about.
Speaker 2: A T twenty competition here and getting players set for
Speaker 2: T twenty. That's what India have, don't they. Many of
Speaker 2: their test players don't front up. There's the odd one
Speaker 2: or two, the boomra but in terms of their batting,
Speaker 2: it's basically dominated by T twenty specialists and we don't
Speaker 2: have quite the same number of people I suppose to
Speaker 2: play our game.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's the.
Speaker 2: Thing is, there'll be another World T twenty competition one
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, won't they. They'll be starting
Speaker 2: another one, aren't they.
Speaker 3: But someone was quite clever they there's anythings. They organized
Speaker 3: a competition themselves, a twenty twenty competition. It seems to
Speaker 3: have gone quite well, and the place you have come
Speaker 3: out of that that go on to be quite useful
Speaker 3: at the international level. Maybe it's a coincidence.
Speaker 5: There are rewards there for individual you know, skills and
Speaker 5: a wider range of accuracy. They'd been there were how
Speaker 5: many weeks would they have been there? Sort of nearly
Speaker 5: three or three or four weeks New Zealand have anyway,
Speaker 5: you haven't done so what why would they Why would
Speaker 5: they not have learned in that time with a new
Speaker 5: ball that they don't as they're going to bowl an
Speaker 5: in the swinger it go, it won't go down leg
Speaker 5: I see. I I just I just feel an outswinger
Speaker 5: will take it, will beat the outside education and go
Speaker 5: through to the keeper. You know, it'll an in swinger
Speaker 5: will hit the pads perhaps you know, and they might
Speaker 5: get a single for a leg by, but that's it.
Speaker 6: If you get a single, that's a that's a win,
Speaker 6: isn't it.
Speaker 5: So I just feel or you head an outside middle
Speaker 5: from an outswinger and they can't control that and you.
Speaker 6: Might get a catch.
Speaker 5: So I just feel we need to be doing a
Speaker 5: little bit more with the ball rather than just seeming
Speaker 5: it and conditions that don't seem and so it restricts
Speaker 5: us too much to either we don't bowl many Yorkers.
Speaker 5: We don't trust our ability to do that. We go
Speaker 5: try to go wide and we end up bowling too wide.
Speaker 5: So just the accuracy I don't think is quite is
Speaker 5: quite there at the moment, but the rewards are there,
Speaker 5: and so I just feel we can't keep on relying
Speaker 5: on green seamers, that's all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm not blaming the players.
Speaker 5: It's not easy, but I just feel that they need
Speaker 5: to just upskill as much as they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we keep developing a swinging conditions, I guess
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, don't we So yeah, we shouldn't. And
Speaker 2: they managed to do things with the ball when it's
Speaker 2: roughed up now rather than the shiny side and the
Speaker 2: side that's been worn down. That's the way balls used
Speaker 2: to be developed by balls, wasn't it. The old hand
Speaker 2: would go around and try and get one side shiny.
Speaker 2: So it's a different skill now.
Speaker 6: I get all that.
Speaker 5: I just I think it's just as a little general comment,
Speaker 5: I think our bowling was a bit samey, a wee
Speaker 5: bit samey, and a wee bit straight, do you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? Get it to dip, get it to
Speaker 5: turn a bit, get it to you know, all those things.
Speaker 5: Get it to do some things that they that you
Speaker 5: impart at your end so that it does something in
Speaker 5: between you and the batsman The other thing I quite
Speaker 5: enjoyed just quickly fellas was the associates. I thought they
Speaker 5: played a good part in this tournament. I don't know
Speaker 5: whether you guys we say this. It's said utually at
Speaker 5: the end of it tournament, isn't it. The associates kind
Speaker 5: of make footnotes in the cricket calendar. But it's the
Speaker 5: one chance for cricket to become more global, isn't it.
Speaker 5: It's T twenties. It's not test matches. You know, no
Speaker 5: associates made the Super eights in this tournament, but there
Speaker 5: were certainly signs.
Speaker 6: I thought Usa.
Speaker 5: The Netherlands they both pushed in there, there was a
Speaker 5: spilled catch. I think the Netherlands would have won over Pakistan.
Speaker 5: Correct one ball against Nepal could have beaten England. You know,
Speaker 5: there were close matches and because T twenty is the
Speaker 5: most precarious format, you know, the most capricious. If you're
Speaker 5: going to include sides from less established cricket countries, this
Speaker 5: is the one to include them in. And I think
Speaker 5: there were those moments were there and the outcomes of
Speaker 5: matches could have led to upsets they didn't, and that
Speaker 5: must still be could be significant because I just don't
Speaker 5: think they have getting the opportunities to play stronger sides.
Speaker 9: En.
Speaker 5: I think Oman and Namibia and Canada were a little
Speaker 5: bit de distance away from the other ones. But the Associates,
Speaker 5: I thought brought a good flavor. They brought great browdspit,
Speaker 5: you know, along they bring their fight, they bring their
Speaker 5: flair and you get some unusual bowlers sometimes from those
Speaker 5: associate teams. So I just I thought the greatest upset
Speaker 5: in the tournament was Australia's exit to Zimbabwe. So the associates,
Speaker 5: they just ICEE CEE helped them, is what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: help them. And you know they don't have test status,
Speaker 5: they lack voting influence, they lack ic C funding. How
Speaker 5: long did that guy Van Skull from the US hold
Speaker 5: the position as the top wicket taker in this tournament?
Speaker 5: You know, I just I just thought, and those Nepalese
Speaker 5: supporters fantastic.
Speaker 3: I think we touched on this before you. I think
Speaker 3: that's it's in that sense this tournament has been a
Speaker 3: success because they've they've brought in the extent of the
Speaker 3: number of teams can only be good and it's given
Speaker 3: players opportunities to perform in the international stage, which in
Speaker 3: their wildest dreams possibly they would never have imagined. You
Speaker 3: didn't touch on did you touch on Afghanistan? I mean,
Speaker 3: they genuinely a Threatleach, especially at this sort of at
Speaker 3: this sort of competition, because they do have those sorts
Speaker 3: of bowlers who can who can get you out, and
Speaker 3: they've got they've got power in their batting and as
Speaker 3: you say, with the others like Nepaul, I just think
Speaker 3: that was fabulous. And what's more, the thing about the
Speaker 3: paw was I think think it was they're all net
Speaker 3: police as opposed to a number of the teams which
Speaker 3: have shall we say, people not from their country originally
Speaker 3: playing for them. But again, I just think a great
Speaker 3: opportunity for for cricket in the in a broad sense
Speaker 3: to develop Yeah, a worldwide game, which it which it
Speaker 3: clearly is. But I in that sense actually see you've
Speaker 3: done well there. But the other point I think you
Speaker 3: correctly make there was money made out of this tournament.
Speaker 3: Surely there's some trickle down so that that so that
Speaker 3: these these teams can can can develop and can develop
Speaker 3: more more strength. I mean, I know, for instance, on
Speaker 3: a on a personal level about the Netherlands. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: that strap for catch constantly. Partly that could be because of
Speaker 3: some internal administration he cups, but but they are that
Speaker 3: that try to upskill themselves, develop ground with grass, wickets
Speaker 3: and so on. Now that's just the nevolence. And they've
Speaker 3: got capital around them. But the other countries they're not
Speaker 3: as wealthy as the Netherlands, so I hope that there
Speaker 3: is more money spread around coming out of this sort
Speaker 3: of stuff to develop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it needs more than just a one World T
Speaker 2: twenty championship. They need to see positions whereby they can
Speaker 2: develop and that's the challenge for the ICC.
Speaker 1: Brion Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2: One of the challenges for New Zealand is to find
Speaker 2: another bowler like Brett Randall five wickets and five balls.
Speaker 7: It hasn't happened in the two.
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty four year history of first class cricket, Jerry,
Speaker 2: you'd have played a fair bit of that history. Did
Speaker 2: you ever get a hat trick?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Did I ever? Did I ever get a hat trick?
Speaker 6: I must have. I think I got one, but not
Speaker 6: in first class.
Speaker 5: I think it was probably at an Enville Park on
Speaker 5: a slightly slightly dot slightly dodgy pitch. And I was
Speaker 5: probably about ten or eleven at the time, so no,
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 7: What about you, moose?
Speaker 3: Uh well, yeah I did get ahead. Hetrick and I
Speaker 3: was I was on again, pretty dodgy, wicked. It's Saint
Speaker 3: Joseph's College mastered and and I think I've still got
Speaker 3: the cricket ball somewhere in a box. But that was it.
Speaker 3: The thing that that five wickets he was he was
Speaker 3: knocking over good players and he was I think two
Speaker 3: or three of them were bottled.
Speaker 6: They were yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: I think one of them was a little unlucky.
Speaker 2: It appeared as though Carter was given out courtner and
Speaker 2: from what you could see from the very poor video,
Speaker 2: which is of course the stuff that comes from the
Speaker 2: camera a long way off it, he seemed to be
Speaker 2: a long way away and his head was shaking as
Speaker 2: he walked off, and I think it's probably still shaking
Speaker 2: as to how he was given out. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: and on a deck that, you know, Wellington the game
Speaker 2: previously scored four hundred odds, you know, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not as if it's a dodgy pitch or anything like
Speaker 2: that you're talking McLean Park Napier and it's a good
Speaker 2: but talking about hat tricks, I was in as a
Speaker 2: batsman two hat tricks successive games against the same opposition
Speaker 2: in senior club cricket, and I don't reveal that information
Speaker 2: too readily because it's quite an embarrassment, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Were you the third one in either of them?
Speaker 2: I was the third one and the first and that's
Speaker 2: the one I do I do talk about. I do
Speaker 2: talk about because it was a left arm spinner for Colburnia,
Speaker 2: guy called Nigel Smith. Yes, the ball was going down
Speaker 2: leg side quite clearly, but it was a hat trick.
Speaker 2: Ball Ham Heart was the umpire and everybody would know
Speaker 2: was a very enthusiastic.
Speaker 6: Man, very very solid umpire.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sure he called out out and that's a
Speaker 2: hat trick. I'm sure he said that.
Speaker 6: Oh hard luck words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't mind. The other one, Rock Collins
Speaker 2: was the other bowlus. I was quite happy to be
Speaker 2: knocked over by him. But I was the middle man then,
Speaker 2: so I wasn't the third. But it's quite an incredible
Speaker 2: achievement to be able to do that against top order batting,
Speaker 2: a batting side that Northern Districts was able to develop
Speaker 2: and to be the first person to do it in
Speaker 2: first class cricket, I mean it's been done before in cricket.
Speaker 7: There's a young.
Speaker 2: Lady who's out here at the moment and sadly she
Speaker 2: got injured playing for Zimbabwe. Got hit on the side
Speaker 2: of the head and they had to leave the field
Speaker 2: and was injured. And she has done it in an
Speaker 2: under nineteen game in Zimbabwe.
Speaker 7: And another person who have done.
Speaker 2: It is an Irish cricketer by the name of Curtis Kampher.
Speaker 2: He did it in a match in July twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: a domestic T twenty game, so it wasn't a first
Speaker 2: class game as such. And while we're talking about bowler's dominance,
Speaker 2: one bowler sixty years ago dominated the New Zealand side
Speaker 2: in a Test match at Edgeburston. Fred Tipmas took four
Speaker 2: wickets in one over.
Speaker 9: No, it's Tipmas who comes in bowls to you all
Speaker 9: and yours pot had slipped it went with the army,
Speaker 9: reached forward, got an edge and Cowdrick took it as
Speaker 9: easily as shilling be. Tipmas bolster. He lost it in
Speaker 9: his oak cotton bowl Taylor Corton bowl Tipmas not New
Speaker 9: Zealand one five eight per seven tipmas now three wickets
Speaker 9: three for fourteen. In fact, it comes in bowls to
Speaker 9: Motts and Motts goes forward and by Smith cub forwards
Speaker 9: ort Legs comes in bowls and the bowls collins off.
Speaker 6: The inside edge.
Speaker 9: My goodness, got an over four war kits in the over.
Speaker 2: I just want to make a comment at the end
Speaker 2: that farewells in the women's game to lear to who
Speaker 2: who's giving up the one day game. It's been chosen
Speaker 2: for the t twenties because there's a World Cup coming
Speaker 2: up and she may well be included in it. The
Speaker 2: other one's Alyssa Heey who's given a lifetime of service
Speaker 2: to Australia and you know, you look at her record,
Speaker 2: she's been quite outstanding. So I think we should acknowledge
Speaker 2: their contribution to the women's game and we won't be
Speaker 2: able to see them play, particularly Alyssa Healey who's got
Speaker 2: an outstanding record.
Speaker 3: She's a fabulous player. I mean when you watched her back,
Speaker 3: yeah she could score quickly, but playing real proper cricket shots.
Speaker 3: Damn good keeper too, if you don't mind you'd go
Speaker 3: and watch her because you think, no, this is someone
Speaker 3: very very good, talented person because she's now switched into
Speaker 3: the commentary box. And but yeah, she was good too,
Speaker 3: so not that they're going to need it, but she's
Speaker 3: got a nice career going there as well. Talented person.
Speaker 5: And both long servants of the game, aren't they, Brian.
Speaker 5: You know they're committed to the game. They obviously love it.
Speaker 5: It makes them feel good. They like the skills that
Speaker 5: they are required to impart in the game itself. They've
Speaker 5: had success at that for their respective sides. So yeah,
Speaker 5: these times come and go, don't they eventually for everybody.
Speaker 7: That's what happened. Sixteen years.
Speaker 2: They've been playing at the top level of the women okay,
Speaker 2: and that's quite uncort you'll be able to sustain that,
Speaker 2: so we acknowledge their contribution. We've still got a chance
Speaker 2: to see Elea to her who she's going to be
Speaker 2: playing against South Africa and the Tea Tweedies coming up,
Speaker 2: and of course we can have a little rest, fellas,
Speaker 2: because it's a couple of weeks away before we can
Speaker 2: watch another T twenty.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to much as you love them, Brian.
Speaker 7: I'll watch it.
Speaker 2: I like to see New Zealand perform well and I'm
Speaker 2: happy to celebrate it when they do. Thanks guys, we'll
Speaker 2: talk again sometime in the near future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can sign off a relatively content that we
Speaker 3: actually did pretty well and better than I would have
Speaker 3: predicted four weeks ago. So we're playing New Zealand and
Speaker 3: very well played Nbear deserving champions. Yep.
Speaker 5: I think they were probably the best side summer.
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