1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:19,213 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and. 4 00:00:19,893 --> 00:00:23,773 Speaker 2: Take another power helping get in. It's entering, it is out, 5 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:28,933 Speaker 2: the test is over, Good to smooth, O fous a 6 00:00:29,013 --> 00:00:31,333 Speaker 2: beauty is out here. 7 00:00:31,133 --> 00:00:33,613 Speaker 3: He goes This delivery has in the music. 8 00:00:33,413 --> 00:00:39,333 Speaker 4: Devolved on the Front Foot with Brian Ronnell and Jeremy 9 00:00:39,333 --> 00:00:43,853 Speaker 4: Coney powered by News Talks dead B at iHeart Radio. 10 00:00:45,333 --> 00:00:48,293 Speaker 2: Another world title slipped from the black Cats grass, but 11 00:00:48,693 --> 00:00:51,573 Speaker 2: notice gray in coming seconds on the Front Foot. This 12 00:00:51,653 --> 00:00:55,253 Speaker 2: week goes back over the World T twenty with Masterstroke 13 00:00:55,453 --> 00:00:59,893 Speaker 2: by Razine helping you master your decorating projects. A world 14 00:00:59,973 --> 00:01:03,173 Speaker 2: first in our domestic game, the first player in the 15 00:01:03,253 --> 00:01:06,533 Speaker 2: long history of all first class creers to take five 16 00:01:06,573 --> 00:01:11,053 Speaker 2: writes in five bore and in fact six in eight. 17 00:01:11,573 --> 00:01:15,133 Speaker 2: It's the total of seven to twelve better than just once. 18 00:01:15,813 --> 00:01:19,573 Speaker 2: Something special. Had a chance to reflect on two significant 19 00:01:19,573 --> 00:01:23,293 Speaker 2: achievements in the women's game, but it's back to the 20 00:01:23,413 --> 00:01:28,813 Speaker 2: review of the World T twenty, beaten in the final 21 00:01:29,373 --> 00:01:31,893 Speaker 2: by an Indian side who are now going to have 22 00:01:31,933 --> 00:01:35,693 Speaker 2: to withstand social media because there's a lot of people 23 00:01:35,853 --> 00:01:39,613 Speaker 2: getting at them about the quality of bats they're using, 24 00:01:40,293 --> 00:01:44,733 Speaker 2: jasprick bloomber chucks, and just about everything is being thrown 25 00:01:44,773 --> 00:01:48,533 Speaker 2: at them because of the poor losers. What Eric and Jerry, 26 00:01:50,093 --> 00:01:52,933 Speaker 2: they deserve to win that game. New Zealand had a 27 00:01:53,013 --> 00:01:57,373 Speaker 2: chance by winning a toss, but they just didn't bowl 28 00:01:57,373 --> 00:01:58,293 Speaker 2: well enough to they. 29 00:01:59,013 --> 00:02:04,853 Speaker 5: No, that's probably fair. It was pretty comprehensive win for India, 30 00:02:04,893 --> 00:02:07,293 Speaker 5: wasn't it. The power play kind has summed it up. 31 00:02:07,813 --> 00:02:11,493 Speaker 5: Ninety or something like that without loss for India and 32 00:02:11,533 --> 00:02:13,773 Speaker 5: forty five for three or so for New Zealand. 33 00:02:13,853 --> 00:02:15,293 Speaker 6: So half the runs and about a. 34 00:02:15,253 --> 00:02:18,333 Speaker 5: Third of the wickets. So yeah, New Zealand bob poorly. 35 00:02:19,093 --> 00:02:22,213 Speaker 5: Nothing kind of seemed to work, did it? Pace off, 36 00:02:22,213 --> 00:02:25,133 Speaker 5: it was hit, Then they went short and that was hit. 37 00:02:25,573 --> 00:02:27,693 Speaker 5: Then they went wide hole and that was either a 38 00:02:27,773 --> 00:02:33,733 Speaker 5: wide or a hit. Nineteen fours and eighteen six's. I mean, 39 00:02:34,853 --> 00:02:37,173 Speaker 5: you know in India also got that extra over with 40 00:02:37,253 --> 00:02:42,253 Speaker 5: the wides, didn't they. So yeah, two fifty five just 41 00:02:42,413 --> 00:02:45,373 Speaker 5: wags on you. You know, the way you got to play. 42 00:02:46,053 --> 00:02:49,333 Speaker 5: I mean you can't even see off the power player 43 00:02:49,653 --> 00:02:54,093 Speaker 5: after your two down and get say eight or nine 44 00:02:54,133 --> 00:02:57,173 Speaker 5: and over up until the ninth or the tenths and 45 00:02:57,213 --> 00:03:00,973 Speaker 5: so you've still got some of your batting resources to 46 00:03:01,013 --> 00:03:06,373 Speaker 5: go for the last eleven overs in your innings. Yeah, 47 00:03:06,613 --> 00:03:08,293 Speaker 5: I mean even if you go at eight or nine 48 00:03:08,413 --> 00:03:11,653 Speaker 5: and over, that's if it's nine, it's eighty one, that 49 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:13,933 Speaker 5: still leaves you one hundred and seventy five to get. 50 00:03:13,973 --> 00:03:17,573 Speaker 5: So you still in the next eleven overs needs sixteen 51 00:03:17,653 --> 00:03:21,533 Speaker 5: runs and over, or if it's eight it then you 52 00:03:21,613 --> 00:03:25,213 Speaker 5: need sixteen points seven runs. So it kind of rules 53 00:03:25,213 --> 00:03:27,933 Speaker 5: that out and you just got to keep going and 54 00:03:27,973 --> 00:03:29,893 Speaker 5: don't forget. If you've got eleven ods, two of those 55 00:03:29,933 --> 00:03:32,213 Speaker 5: overs are going to be from boomer, aren't they. So 56 00:03:33,573 --> 00:03:36,853 Speaker 5: you have to keep going. And simply their bowlers had 57 00:03:36,893 --> 00:03:37,853 Speaker 5: more skill than ours. 58 00:03:38,693 --> 00:03:40,293 Speaker 7: Yeah, and they played the conditions. 59 00:03:40,333 --> 00:03:42,533 Speaker 2: They had the crowd behind them, they had everything going 60 00:03:42,533 --> 00:03:44,453 Speaker 2: their way, and of course they'd scored two hundred and 61 00:03:44,453 --> 00:03:51,053 Speaker 2: fifty previously and defended that against England. So Peter Holland, 62 00:03:51,053 --> 00:03:55,413 Speaker 2: who's back with this and been enjoying the World T twenty. 63 00:03:56,333 --> 00:03:56,813 Speaker 7: It was. 64 00:03:57,213 --> 00:04:00,293 Speaker 2: It was a performance that deserved them the title. And 65 00:04:00,813 --> 00:04:05,293 Speaker 2: New Zealand really can come away with some credit, can't they. 66 00:04:06,173 --> 00:04:09,093 Speaker 3: I think that's basically when the script didn't it was 67 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:10,573 Speaker 3: how it was supposed to be. It was how it 68 00:04:10,613 --> 00:04:12,893 Speaker 3: was planned from the outset, as. 69 00:04:12,693 --> 00:04:13,213 Speaker 6: We all do. 70 00:04:15,933 --> 00:04:22,613 Speaker 8: If you're talking about the way the tournament was organized 71 00:04:22,693 --> 00:04:27,493 Speaker 8: and the pictures and the grounds and that, are you okay, Well. 72 00:04:28,373 --> 00:04:30,933 Speaker 3: Maybe that's been a little bit sort of our tongue 73 00:04:30,933 --> 00:04:32,933 Speaker 3: in cheekish a bit, but it did rather go to 74 00:04:32,973 --> 00:04:36,493 Speaker 3: script and what we didn't have. And I recall the 75 00:04:36,573 --> 00:04:39,093 Speaker 3: last time there was a significant one day at that 76 00:04:39,133 --> 00:04:41,613 Speaker 3: same round, there was a certain player who took the 77 00:04:41,613 --> 00:04:44,533 Speaker 3: game away from India, Travis Head. We didn't have one 78 00:04:44,573 --> 00:04:48,493 Speaker 3: of those this time. We had one last last week 79 00:04:48,533 --> 00:04:52,093 Speaker 3: against South Africa and that was that was a phenomenal performance. 80 00:04:52,613 --> 00:04:55,653 Speaker 3: But you need one of those really. But as you say, Jerry, 81 00:04:55,653 --> 00:04:58,013 Speaker 3: when you're staring down the barrel at two fifty glass, 82 00:04:59,013 --> 00:05:01,413 Speaker 3: you can't make a mistake, you know, and things have 83 00:05:01,453 --> 00:05:05,013 Speaker 3: got to go your way. Yeah, the half hit that 84 00:05:05,093 --> 00:05:07,533 Speaker 3: just dropped through the middle, that sort of stuff, I 85 00:05:07,613 --> 00:05:11,093 Speaker 3: must say, when what ching it the ball against? When 86 00:05:11,173 --> 00:05:13,613 Speaker 3: in India were batting, the ball just kept whizzing out 87 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:17,853 Speaker 3: of the park. It was just as you said eighteen 88 00:05:17,933 --> 00:05:21,053 Speaker 3: six is it just kept going and no matter what 89 00:05:21,093 --> 00:05:23,293 Speaker 3: you did, as you said, whenever they try it went. 90 00:05:23,893 --> 00:05:28,453 Speaker 3: There's one particular shot that I saw Karter hit and 91 00:05:28,613 --> 00:05:31,053 Speaker 3: back in the olden days when you were playing Jerry, 92 00:05:31,213 --> 00:05:34,253 Speaker 3: he couldn't hit them. Apparently this is a low full toss. Well, 93 00:05:34,253 --> 00:05:36,893 Speaker 3: Henry by one of those, and he just literally wizzed 94 00:05:36,933 --> 00:05:40,253 Speaker 3: it out of the park dead flat, six runs, Thanks 95 00:05:40,333 --> 00:05:42,573 Speaker 3: very much. I mean that that's sort of to me 96 00:05:42,693 --> 00:05:44,013 Speaker 3: something up. I thought it's their. 97 00:05:43,933 --> 00:05:48,573 Speaker 2: Day, yeah, and they played accordingly. They fitted into the 98 00:05:48,653 --> 00:05:52,093 Speaker 2: style of play. They're specialists at that. Some of those 99 00:05:52,093 --> 00:05:53,933 Speaker 2: players will never see the light of day in the 100 00:05:53,973 --> 00:05:58,893 Speaker 2: Test match arena. Some have, but they've got it down 101 00:05:58,933 --> 00:06:02,253 Speaker 2: to an art. Question being posed, is anybody going to 102 00:06:02,333 --> 00:06:05,933 Speaker 2: beat them? Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or 103 00:06:05,933 --> 00:06:08,253 Speaker 2: not it's a tournament. 104 00:06:10,413 --> 00:06:13,933 Speaker 5: Well South Africa did. Yeah, South Africa beat them and 105 00:06:14,013 --> 00:06:20,533 Speaker 5: stuffed them. You know, so it is possible. Maybe maybe 106 00:06:20,573 --> 00:06:23,613 Speaker 5: not on those kinds of surfaces where the ball does 107 00:06:23,653 --> 00:06:26,253 Speaker 5: such a little. I mean, I've got to say that 108 00:06:26,293 --> 00:06:30,333 Speaker 5: as far as their bowlings was concerned, I saw ash 109 00:06:30,373 --> 00:06:32,973 Speaker 5: Deep and Pandia. Pandia went for twenty one off his 110 00:06:33,013 --> 00:06:36,773 Speaker 5: first over, but the next three went for fourteen and 111 00:06:36,853 --> 00:06:40,533 Speaker 5: so that was it. He came back pulled it back. 112 00:06:41,053 --> 00:06:44,813 Speaker 5: But they both swing the ball, and they both swing 113 00:06:44,893 --> 00:06:51,413 Speaker 5: the ball both ways. Now you know Aksha Patel. So 114 00:06:51,413 --> 00:06:55,053 Speaker 5: so you've got two opening bowlers swinging the ball in 115 00:06:55,573 --> 00:07:00,453 Speaker 5: or out. Now, none of our bowlers do that, and 116 00:07:00,493 --> 00:07:03,213 Speaker 5: it's something we have to sort of look at to 117 00:07:03,493 --> 00:07:07,013 Speaker 5: upskill ourselves just a bit too. Actua Patel came on 118 00:07:07,253 --> 00:07:11,693 Speaker 5: very quick, skiddy, tight line delivered so that the ball 119 00:07:12,173 --> 00:07:14,533 Speaker 5: comes off the smooth part of the ball and not 120 00:07:14,613 --> 00:07:17,653 Speaker 5: the seam, so it skids at you and stays low. 121 00:07:18,173 --> 00:07:21,253 Speaker 5: And our players tend to hang back against spin bowling, 122 00:07:21,693 --> 00:07:22,253 Speaker 5: so it's. 123 00:07:22,213 --> 00:07:23,533 Speaker 6: Hard to get underneath. 124 00:07:24,133 --> 00:07:27,053 Speaker 5: And you know, then you have someone like Boomra bowling 125 00:07:27,093 --> 00:07:32,573 Speaker 5: those deceptive slower deliveries right hitting the base of the stumps. 126 00:07:32,773 --> 00:07:35,653 Speaker 5: He went for three point seventy five runs and over 127 00:07:36,493 --> 00:07:39,853 Speaker 5: you know those that is skill. One of their our 128 00:07:39,933 --> 00:07:44,133 Speaker 5: nineteen overs was bowled by abershek Heaven's sake anyway, So 129 00:07:44,293 --> 00:07:46,373 Speaker 5: they just had a bit too much control. They had 130 00:07:46,373 --> 00:07:50,653 Speaker 5: the big runs behind them and never never, the innings 131 00:07:50,693 --> 00:07:55,293 Speaker 5: never got going, did it. We lost wickets third, fourth, fifth, eighth, ninths, 132 00:07:56,093 --> 00:07:58,093 Speaker 5: so we were five down for eighty odd and the 133 00:07:58,173 --> 00:08:03,573 Speaker 5: nineteen cent and was in you know, so we hit 134 00:08:03,253 --> 00:08:05,733 Speaker 5: we were either trying to hit six's and got out 135 00:08:05,813 --> 00:08:13,493 Speaker 5: Allen and Seifered and Mitchell, or we were deceived Ravendra, 136 00:08:15,093 --> 00:08:17,813 Speaker 5: or there was pace on and quite wide Chapman dragging 137 00:08:17,853 --> 00:08:21,093 Speaker 5: it back on or the reoccurring issue of Phillip's getting 138 00:08:21,093 --> 00:08:23,613 Speaker 5: one passed in between Bat and padd He was bold 139 00:08:23,653 --> 00:08:28,013 Speaker 5: a lot in this tournament. So New Zealand, I'm afraid 140 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:31,333 Speaker 5: played their final last week. It wasn't this game. It 141 00:08:31,373 --> 00:08:32,613 Speaker 5: was just a game early. 142 00:08:34,013 --> 00:08:34,213 Speaker 7: Yep. 143 00:08:34,533 --> 00:08:39,373 Speaker 2: That's one of the things about that kind of competition too, 144 00:08:39,413 --> 00:08:42,773 Speaker 2: isn't it that they have to live with that. But 145 00:08:43,253 --> 00:08:45,893 Speaker 2: you know, they come home and they've done They've done 146 00:08:45,893 --> 00:08:50,293 Speaker 2: an excellent job. To my mind, they were second and 147 00:08:50,573 --> 00:08:53,853 Speaker 2: clearly second, and that's just something they have to live 148 00:08:53,893 --> 00:08:55,813 Speaker 2: with it as a T twenty tournament and there's a 149 00:08:55,853 --> 00:08:57,653 Speaker 2: whole a lot of luck goes with it, but when 150 00:08:57,693 --> 00:09:01,973 Speaker 2: you're playing, as you say, most in Indian conditions, you're 151 00:09:02,013 --> 00:09:03,373 Speaker 2: always up against it as well. 152 00:09:03,653 --> 00:09:08,253 Speaker 3: I don't think enough can be said about Boomra the 153 00:09:08,453 --> 00:09:11,053 Speaker 3: version of the game bit test bit one day. That 154 00:09:11,213 --> 00:09:14,933 Speaker 3: player is quite freakish in what he can do. I 155 00:09:14,933 --> 00:09:17,933 Speaker 3: think we just should celebrate that, sit back and watch because, 156 00:09:18,373 --> 00:09:22,013 Speaker 3: as you say, Jerry, those deceptive slow ball yalk is 157 00:09:22,053 --> 00:09:26,293 Speaker 3: that clearly are really hard to pick, and he bowls 158 00:09:26,293 --> 00:09:29,533 Speaker 3: them with such control it's really impressive. The other thing 159 00:09:29,533 --> 00:09:32,773 Speaker 3: that I think that where we lack as well as 160 00:09:32,893 --> 00:09:36,453 Speaker 3: is that we don't have those deceptive spins like you 161 00:09:36,573 --> 00:09:40,653 Speaker 3: call deeps and so on, who trouble you particularly in 162 00:09:40,733 --> 00:09:44,373 Speaker 3: those conditions. We've got your orthodox soft spinner, you've got 163 00:09:44,373 --> 00:09:47,373 Speaker 3: a left arm spinner. But that I'm a dosen for 164 00:09:47,413 --> 00:09:49,893 Speaker 3: the for a lot of the players these days. You know, 165 00:09:49,933 --> 00:09:53,373 Speaker 3: there's nothing there's nothing mysterious about what we bring to it. 166 00:09:53,533 --> 00:09:56,693 Speaker 3: I mean we bring we bring vigor and discipline and 167 00:09:56,733 --> 00:10:00,453 Speaker 3: so on. But against this sort of onslaught, if you like, 168 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:04,413 Speaker 3: you're really not You're struggling, aren't you. But that's said, 169 00:10:05,613 --> 00:10:08,893 Speaker 3: if you lined all the teams up, I still don't 170 00:10:08,933 --> 00:10:11,813 Speaker 3: think that we're the second best of that group. England 171 00:10:11,813 --> 00:10:14,653 Speaker 3: probably played probably overall better than we to South Africa. 172 00:10:14,733 --> 00:10:17,813 Speaker 3: Certainly on their form were better. It's actually to get 173 00:10:17,853 --> 00:10:23,173 Speaker 3: where we got to should be considered them definite pass mark. 174 00:10:24,373 --> 00:10:27,773 Speaker 2: We've been doing it consistently, haven't we reaching those finals 175 00:10:27,773 --> 00:10:32,493 Speaker 2: and or reaching the last four getting a past mark, 176 00:10:32,573 --> 00:10:34,853 Speaker 2: but not really being able to go the full distance. 177 00:10:35,813 --> 00:10:38,693 Speaker 5: No, I think I think, you know, I think our 178 00:10:38,733 --> 00:10:41,053 Speaker 5: bowl is I mean, our seam has kind of struggled 179 00:10:41,053 --> 00:10:44,893 Speaker 5: a bit, didn't they, Henry apart, you know, ten wickets 180 00:10:44,893 --> 00:10:48,093 Speaker 5: and eight innings an economy rate of eight and eight 181 00:10:48,093 --> 00:10:51,293 Speaker 5: point twenty five. So you extrapolate that out, that's a 182 00:10:51,333 --> 00:10:54,613 Speaker 5: total of one sixty five and that's a that's a 183 00:10:54,893 --> 00:10:56,213 Speaker 5: very chasable target. 184 00:10:56,253 --> 00:10:57,853 Speaker 6: I would have thought these days. 185 00:10:58,413 --> 00:11:01,493 Speaker 5: So and one point twenty five wickets every innings, that's 186 00:11:01,533 --> 00:11:02,213 Speaker 5: not too bad. 187 00:11:02,613 --> 00:11:04,053 Speaker 6: But then you look at the others. 188 00:11:04,333 --> 00:11:08,773 Speaker 5: Ferguson nine point nine seven, Jamison ten point two five, 189 00:11:08,853 --> 00:11:12,893 Speaker 5: Nicheum ten point six y five, Duffy ten point eight seven. 190 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:17,213 Speaker 5: So that's all between between our other semens. That's between 191 00:11:17,213 --> 00:11:19,813 Speaker 5: two a total of two hundred and two hundred and twenty. 192 00:11:20,613 --> 00:11:23,733 Speaker 5: And that's that's starting to push the envelope a bit, 193 00:11:23,773 --> 00:11:28,893 Speaker 5: isn't it. I feel so that Henry did his job, 194 00:11:29,933 --> 00:11:33,573 Speaker 5: bowling in the power play, bowling at the death revender. 195 00:11:33,773 --> 00:11:36,533 Speaker 5: Terms of spin stood up in the absence of Bracewell. 196 00:11:37,213 --> 00:11:40,933 Speaker 5: Most wickets for New Zealand twelve wickets, seven point eight 197 00:11:41,013 --> 00:11:43,933 Speaker 5: for the economy. Rate did really well in Sri Lanka, 198 00:11:43,973 --> 00:11:47,853 Speaker 5: didn't he. That's one point seven wickets pir innings for him, 199 00:11:48,213 --> 00:11:50,613 Speaker 5: and if he's extrapolate the runs out, it's one point 200 00:11:50,613 --> 00:11:54,653 Speaker 5: fifty six. In fact, the spinners did slightly better than 201 00:11:54,653 --> 00:11:59,533 Speaker 5: the seamers in those terms of run rates. Phillips at nine, 202 00:11:59,773 --> 00:12:04,213 Speaker 5: mccontchie at the nine point five centnern is an interesting one, 203 00:12:04,293 --> 00:12:07,333 Speaker 5: isn't it. Right from the start you felt that teams 204 00:12:07,373 --> 00:12:11,893 Speaker 5: were sitting on them. They didn't want to lose wickets 205 00:12:12,653 --> 00:12:15,253 Speaker 5: to Mitchell Satner, so they saw him as a threat 206 00:12:16,093 --> 00:12:21,373 Speaker 5: and they played him more cautiously. Centiner twenty eight overs, 207 00:12:21,493 --> 00:12:23,453 Speaker 5: just two wickets and. 208 00:12:23,893 --> 00:12:25,373 Speaker 6: And seven innings. 209 00:12:25,733 --> 00:12:28,653 Speaker 5: That's just seven fours and so point two of a 210 00:12:28,733 --> 00:12:31,533 Speaker 5: wicket each game. But you get that run rate six 211 00:12:31,573 --> 00:12:34,893 Speaker 5: points sixty one and that's a total of one hundred 212 00:12:34,893 --> 00:12:38,093 Speaker 5: and thirty two if you if you push that out. 213 00:12:38,333 --> 00:12:40,813 Speaker 5: So even though he didn't get the wickets, he did 214 00:12:40,813 --> 00:12:42,613 Speaker 5: a job for New Zealand. 215 00:12:43,013 --> 00:12:44,813 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think there's any question. I think that's 216 00:12:44,853 --> 00:12:47,333 Speaker 3: that's that's spot on, Jack. I mean, if you keep 217 00:12:47,373 --> 00:12:48,813 Speaker 3: if you at run rates, as you said, on an 218 00:12:48,813 --> 00:12:50,973 Speaker 3: average of a round about six. I mean that's as 219 00:12:50,973 --> 00:12:54,893 Speaker 3: good as getting wickets, isn't it. Yeah, that's the reality 220 00:12:54,893 --> 00:12:58,373 Speaker 3: of it. And and as you say, you strapped light 221 00:12:58,413 --> 00:13:00,813 Speaker 3: it out in that little termine what you're going to 222 00:13:00,893 --> 00:13:03,413 Speaker 3: look like and what you're going to be chasing. He's 223 00:13:03,413 --> 00:13:07,613 Speaker 3: a class act and across the board fields. I really 224 00:13:07,773 --> 00:13:08,813 Speaker 3: like your style, Captain. 225 00:13:08,853 --> 00:13:09,293 Speaker 2: See. 226 00:13:09,573 --> 00:13:11,093 Speaker 3: I like to see more of it, not just in 227 00:13:11,133 --> 00:13:14,493 Speaker 3: the one day as perhaps who knows, but no, and 228 00:13:14,493 --> 00:13:16,013 Speaker 3: I think you're right here. They did sit on a 229 00:13:16,213 --> 00:13:19,693 Speaker 3: bit because yeah, he was a threat. But I just 230 00:13:19,733 --> 00:13:22,973 Speaker 3: think that bottombers, bottom liners. I think that we just 231 00:13:23,013 --> 00:13:27,773 Speaker 3: got thumped and in those conditions we needed one which 232 00:13:27,853 --> 00:13:30,093 Speaker 3: was which was doing it Travis Head for us, and 233 00:13:30,213 --> 00:13:32,453 Speaker 3: that didn't happen today, it happened last week. 234 00:13:33,133 --> 00:13:33,413 Speaker 7: Yeah. 235 00:13:33,453 --> 00:13:36,253 Speaker 2: Well they've had that problem, I guess, have a period 236 00:13:36,293 --> 00:13:39,213 Speaker 2: of time and you need one, two, three four to 237 00:13:39,213 --> 00:13:42,733 Speaker 2: do it, not just one. It always seemed as though 238 00:13:42,813 --> 00:13:46,373 Speaker 2: India had somebody who could get eighty off twenty one balls. 239 00:13:46,773 --> 00:13:51,173 Speaker 2: But you know, it's NonStop for the black Caps. Now 240 00:13:51,533 --> 00:13:55,933 Speaker 2: South Africa are almost here. They've picked aside well a 241 00:13:56,013 --> 00:13:58,973 Speaker 2: women's side to play against South Africa and Tea twenties 242 00:13:58,973 --> 00:14:01,973 Speaker 2: and New Zealand will have this when they get home. 243 00:14:02,013 --> 00:14:04,933 Speaker 2: I presume just about home. It's been hard getting out 244 00:14:05,013 --> 00:14:08,453 Speaker 2: of India. The West Indies had to wait over a 245 00:14:08,533 --> 00:14:10,533 Speaker 2: week or something to get a flight out. No one 246 00:14:10,613 --> 00:14:13,453 Speaker 2: bothered to think about getting them home, so they had 247 00:14:13,493 --> 00:14:15,733 Speaker 2: to sit it. India England got a charter flight out 248 00:14:15,733 --> 00:14:18,213 Speaker 2: and away they went. And there's been a lot of 249 00:14:19,093 --> 00:14:22,373 Speaker 2: a lot of controversy around that. But are we destined 250 00:14:22,413 --> 00:14:25,413 Speaker 2: to have to accept that this is what T twenty 251 00:14:25,493 --> 00:14:29,093 Speaker 2: Championships are going to be like now? Ground announcements constantly, 252 00:14:29,533 --> 00:14:37,453 Speaker 2: mid over lights, laser beams, Hollywood promotion and all sorts of. 253 00:14:39,453 --> 00:14:41,813 Speaker 7: Gimmicks that are being part of the game. Do we 254 00:14:41,893 --> 00:14:43,053 Speaker 7: have to put up? Is that the way it's going 255 00:14:43,093 --> 00:14:43,293 Speaker 7: to be? 256 00:14:43,813 --> 00:14:47,013 Speaker 3: I think so, Brian, I suspect it is. There seemed 257 00:14:47,013 --> 00:14:49,853 Speaker 3: to be one hundreds of thousand people had a man 258 00:14:49,933 --> 00:14:52,613 Speaker 3: of a bad who weren't complaining. They seem pretty happy. 259 00:14:52,613 --> 00:14:57,453 Speaker 3: But yeah, I can't see that changing anytime soon. It's 260 00:14:58,453 --> 00:15:01,493 Speaker 3: it's what is it? It's you know, it's a fan, 261 00:15:02,133 --> 00:15:07,213 Speaker 3: it's fan entertainment. That's what apparently we want. That's what 262 00:15:07,253 --> 00:15:07,653 Speaker 3: you want? 263 00:15:07,693 --> 00:15:16,333 Speaker 5: Clearly, Well, I can't see Waddle sitting towards the back 264 00:15:16,453 --> 00:15:22,653 Speaker 5: rows of a stand, listening to those screaming zealots on 265 00:15:22,693 --> 00:15:26,173 Speaker 5: a mic urging him to stand. 266 00:15:25,853 --> 00:15:28,173 Speaker 6: Up, and ooh, are who who are. 267 00:15:29,853 --> 00:15:33,333 Speaker 5: Knocking over his neighbour's coffee as he does so? 268 00:15:33,573 --> 00:15:35,653 Speaker 6: Or their eggs sandwich onto the ground? 269 00:15:36,453 --> 00:15:38,653 Speaker 7: Kiss cam? What about kiss camp? Did they have that? 270 00:15:39,333 --> 00:15:40,733 Speaker 6: I don't know what the hell that means? 271 00:15:41,373 --> 00:15:43,693 Speaker 2: And that's when you get caught out kissing somebody you're 272 00:15:43,693 --> 00:15:44,613 Speaker 2: not supposed to be kissing. 273 00:15:45,333 --> 00:15:48,213 Speaker 6: Oh I see, Oh, well that's that you can mistake that. 274 00:15:50,373 --> 00:15:51,773 Speaker 7: Haven't you heard of the cold Blake? 275 00:15:51,933 --> 00:15:54,933 Speaker 5: But I just I just thought it was nauseating all 276 00:15:54,973 --> 00:15:59,173 Speaker 5: that stuff. I mean it was it was distorting. I 277 00:15:59,213 --> 00:16:01,933 Speaker 5: don't know what gen they're called now, what letter comes 278 00:16:01,973 --> 00:16:02,373 Speaker 5: after it? 279 00:16:02,733 --> 00:16:05,093 Speaker 6: They started at X and it seemed to get to 280 00:16:05,213 --> 00:16:06,133 Speaker 6: Z very quickly. 281 00:16:07,333 --> 00:16:10,533 Speaker 5: But I mean, it's it's rather different, I've got to say, 282 00:16:10,573 --> 00:16:15,653 Speaker 5: than the gentle, decorous, kind of interesting Indians I met 283 00:16:15,693 --> 00:16:21,053 Speaker 5: in the late nineteen eighties when I was there. It's 284 00:16:21,253 --> 00:16:24,013 Speaker 5: very different nowadays, isn't it. Maybe it's just a format. 285 00:16:24,093 --> 00:16:27,133 Speaker 5: Who knows, But I tell you what wats and I 286 00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:29,213 Speaker 5: I guess we won't be in the back seats all 287 00:16:29,253 --> 00:16:29,693 Speaker 5: we wants. 288 00:16:30,493 --> 00:16:32,933 Speaker 7: I certainly won't be. In fact, I've got the monume 289 00:16:33,053 --> 00:16:34,013 Speaker 7: turned down anyway. 290 00:16:34,573 --> 00:16:37,813 Speaker 6: Me too. We're getting very old now too. 291 00:16:38,093 --> 00:16:38,453 Speaker 7: Yeah. 292 00:16:38,533 --> 00:16:40,853 Speaker 2: I think that's probably part of it as well. But 293 00:16:41,213 --> 00:16:44,733 Speaker 2: the pictures came in forth some stick and this is 294 00:16:44,773 --> 00:16:47,213 Speaker 2: where you're going to be very careful of social media. 295 00:16:47,733 --> 00:16:50,333 Speaker 2: Matt Henry was quoted as having some comment to make 296 00:16:50,373 --> 00:16:55,613 Speaker 2: about the pictures in the Middenings Break. But I listened 297 00:16:55,653 --> 00:16:58,733 Speaker 2: to it and he never said anything about the pictures. 298 00:16:58,493 --> 00:17:03,013 Speaker 2: And the question was asked, don't know who approves such pictures, 299 00:17:03,173 --> 00:17:07,613 Speaker 2: but it was taken up by Nasa Hussein and he 300 00:17:07,933 --> 00:17:12,373 Speaker 2: basically got into the VCCI and the ICC because they 301 00:17:12,373 --> 00:17:16,133 Speaker 2: seem to be so much entwined. He said, India scored 302 00:17:16,173 --> 00:17:19,373 Speaker 2: literally ninety two runs in the powerplay, which you don't 303 00:17:19,413 --> 00:17:21,893 Speaker 2: see most often in cricket match. You've got to give 304 00:17:21,933 --> 00:17:24,933 Speaker 2: something to the bowlers too as well. This isn't cricket. 305 00:17:25,053 --> 00:17:28,213 Speaker 2: It's manipulation. The spirit of the game is being slapped. 306 00:17:28,613 --> 00:17:32,013 Speaker 2: If this keeps happening, no one will trust the game anymore. 307 00:17:32,173 --> 00:17:35,133 Speaker 2: It's a complete disgrace. Well, it is a manipulation and 308 00:17:35,573 --> 00:17:39,253 Speaker 2: at your point, Jeremy from a previous podcast. The bowlers 309 00:17:39,293 --> 00:17:40,653 Speaker 2: have to get something, don't they. 310 00:17:41,293 --> 00:17:44,853 Speaker 5: Well, if you want to have a cricket equation, yes, 311 00:17:46,933 --> 00:17:49,213 Speaker 5: they'll say. Well, they do get something and they get 312 00:17:49,213 --> 00:17:51,733 Speaker 5: a new ball. And that's why I mentioned swinging the 313 00:17:51,733 --> 00:17:54,533 Speaker 5: ball away. The Indians were capable of swinging it in 314 00:17:54,653 --> 00:17:58,533 Speaker 5: and out. Our bowlers, I think, are a little bit 315 00:17:58,653 --> 00:18:02,853 Speaker 5: set on waiting for the grass or something to assist them, 316 00:18:02,933 --> 00:18:05,653 Speaker 5: so they seem it. We tend to be a seam 317 00:18:05,813 --> 00:18:10,573 Speaker 5: dominated kind of attack. Can't niem swing the ball? You 318 00:18:10,613 --> 00:18:14,213 Speaker 5: tell me what I don't think, for example, we should 319 00:18:14,253 --> 00:18:17,773 Speaker 5: have all seamers. We should have people who can swing it. Now, 320 00:18:17,893 --> 00:18:20,213 Speaker 5: Duffy can a bit. Why can't he swing it in? 321 00:18:21,053 --> 00:18:21,773 Speaker 5: Is that his action? 322 00:18:22,853 --> 00:18:23,013 Speaker 6: You know? 323 00:18:23,133 --> 00:18:27,613 Speaker 5: I just feel we need to be upskilled individually if 324 00:18:27,613 --> 00:18:30,933 Speaker 5: we want to be able to go to places like India, 325 00:18:31,093 --> 00:18:34,533 Speaker 5: which doesn't grow grass that well all they don't want 326 00:18:34,573 --> 00:18:40,573 Speaker 5: to do it anyway, especially in T twenty matches. So look, 327 00:18:41,973 --> 00:18:46,013 Speaker 5: I feel for the bowlers, I do, But you've just 328 00:18:46,053 --> 00:18:48,893 Speaker 5: got to skill yourself up, don't you. You've got to 329 00:18:48,933 --> 00:18:53,093 Speaker 5: be able to be more accurate at the variety of 330 00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:58,413 Speaker 5: deliveries because if we don't swing it straight, it's dead. Straight, 331 00:18:58,813 --> 00:19:02,813 Speaker 5: and that means you're relying now on pace or links 332 00:19:03,693 --> 00:19:05,013 Speaker 5: or the combination. 333 00:19:05,213 --> 00:19:07,333 Speaker 3: And pace doesn't seem to be an issue. I mean, 334 00:19:07,373 --> 00:19:10,973 Speaker 3: Ferguson just like it. They love it it. It just goes, 335 00:19:11,053 --> 00:19:11,493 Speaker 3: doesn't it. 336 00:19:12,013 --> 00:19:13,733 Speaker 7: Yeah, Ferguson went for forty eight. 337 00:19:13,813 --> 00:19:16,053 Speaker 2: The issue with swing, though, of course, in the past, 338 00:19:16,493 --> 00:19:19,213 Speaker 2: was something that the bowlers didn't want to do because 339 00:19:19,413 --> 00:19:21,333 Speaker 2: the ball would swing down the leg side by it 340 00:19:21,853 --> 00:19:27,133 Speaker 2: where you go, and so they tried to make it 341 00:19:27,293 --> 00:19:31,333 Speaker 2: such that the bowlers weren't swinging it to any great degree. 342 00:19:31,773 --> 00:19:35,413 Speaker 2: All right down leg side is understandable, though sometimes I 343 00:19:35,453 --> 00:19:37,733 Speaker 2: think that the wives are called and it's just because 344 00:19:37,773 --> 00:19:39,493 Speaker 2: the batsman is not good enough to hit them that 345 00:19:39,533 --> 00:19:44,093 Speaker 2: they get called wide. But you know, does that now 346 00:19:44,173 --> 00:19:46,533 Speaker 2: matter that we need to be able to get that 347 00:19:46,973 --> 00:19:49,013 Speaker 2: swing and control the swing. 348 00:19:49,013 --> 00:19:52,693 Speaker 3: Most look, I think that there's just something that says 349 00:19:54,013 --> 00:19:56,013 Speaker 3: same same as what we tend to be a little 350 00:19:56,053 --> 00:19:59,933 Speaker 3: bit of. As Jerry said, we've basically got fast medium 351 00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:04,733 Speaker 3: bowlers on these sort of wickets just just cann't follow 352 00:20:04,813 --> 00:20:07,293 Speaker 3: for these For these players, you need a point of difference. 353 00:20:07,333 --> 00:20:11,413 Speaker 3: That's what Jasper will are brinks, It's what Aksa the 354 00:20:11,573 --> 00:20:15,453 Speaker 3: brings swinging both swinging both ways. You need to bring 355 00:20:15,493 --> 00:20:19,453 Speaker 3: something different otherwise straight and quick. That's just that's just 356 00:20:19,573 --> 00:20:22,093 Speaker 3: not it's not a challenge we all, as I said 357 00:20:22,093 --> 00:20:26,613 Speaker 3: touchdown before, we don't have a really clever, deceptive, a 358 00:20:26,653 --> 00:20:28,733 Speaker 3: spinner or two, whereas the Indians seem to have a 359 00:20:28,733 --> 00:20:30,933 Speaker 3: few of them, don't they. You've got to have a 360 00:20:30,973 --> 00:20:33,613 Speaker 3: point of difference, especially when you're at these flat decks, 361 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:37,413 Speaker 3: because it's just it's just too easy and and you're 362 00:20:37,413 --> 00:20:40,173 Speaker 3: relying on them making mistake and these players are too good. 363 00:20:40,213 --> 00:20:42,533 Speaker 3: They're not going to make those sort of mistakes. And 364 00:20:42,733 --> 00:20:44,813 Speaker 3: even if one does, you've got three or four others 365 00:20:44,813 --> 00:20:47,333 Speaker 3: are going to come in and and continue to whack 366 00:20:47,413 --> 00:20:49,893 Speaker 3: you because they go long way down, don't they India 367 00:20:50,053 --> 00:20:52,773 Speaker 3: or teams like that, as do teams like for that matter, 368 00:20:54,173 --> 00:20:57,413 Speaker 3: so Africa, they definitely go long way down in batting. 369 00:20:57,973 --> 00:20:59,933 Speaker 3: Even for that matter, with Jack's coming in when he 370 00:20:59,933 --> 00:21:02,333 Speaker 3: does a six, seven and eight and song, So we 371 00:21:03,133 --> 00:21:06,533 Speaker 3: need something different in our bowling and hopefully that's what 372 00:21:06,613 --> 00:21:09,493 Speaker 3: they go they take away from the tournament that we're 373 00:21:09,493 --> 00:21:11,773 Speaker 3: going to look for that do we have those sort 374 00:21:11,813 --> 00:21:15,453 Speaker 3: of players outside of the current crop that we've got 375 00:21:16,253 --> 00:21:19,293 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't know. Perhaps you've seen more 376 00:21:19,293 --> 00:21:19,613 Speaker 3: than I have. 377 00:21:19,733 --> 00:21:23,453 Speaker 2: Bright Yeah, well, I mean they're probably there. It's a 378 00:21:23,493 --> 00:21:25,693 Speaker 2: development thing. They've got to be playing more of that 379 00:21:25,733 --> 00:21:28,613 Speaker 2: form of cricket, I suppose. And that's what they talk about. 380 00:21:28,613 --> 00:21:31,413 Speaker 2: A T twenty competition here and getting players set for 381 00:21:31,453 --> 00:21:34,373 Speaker 2: T twenty. That's what India have, don't they. Many of 382 00:21:34,413 --> 00:21:37,653 Speaker 2: their test players don't front up. There's the odd one 383 00:21:37,733 --> 00:21:41,173 Speaker 2: or two, the boomra but in terms of their batting, 384 00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:47,093 Speaker 2: it's basically dominated by T twenty specialists and we don't 385 00:21:47,093 --> 00:21:50,133 Speaker 2: have quite the same number of people I suppose to 386 00:21:50,173 --> 00:21:50,973 Speaker 2: play our game. 387 00:21:52,533 --> 00:21:55,133 Speaker 7: But you know, it's the. 388 00:21:55,133 --> 00:21:57,453 Speaker 2: Thing is, there'll be another World T twenty competition one 389 00:21:57,493 --> 00:22:01,253 Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, won't they. They'll be starting 390 00:22:01,253 --> 00:22:02,133 Speaker 2: another one, aren't they. 391 00:22:03,133 --> 00:22:06,853 Speaker 3: But someone was quite clever they there's anythings. They organized 392 00:22:07,413 --> 00:22:10,413 Speaker 3: a competition themselves, a twenty twenty competition. It seems to 393 00:22:10,453 --> 00:22:14,973 Speaker 3: have gone quite well, and the place you have come 394 00:22:14,973 --> 00:22:18,253 Speaker 3: out of that that go on to be quite useful 395 00:22:18,293 --> 00:22:20,733 Speaker 3: at the international level. Maybe it's a coincidence. 396 00:22:21,413 --> 00:22:27,253 Speaker 5: There are rewards there for individual you know, skills and 397 00:22:27,253 --> 00:22:30,373 Speaker 5: a wider range of accuracy. They'd been there were how 398 00:22:30,453 --> 00:22:32,893 Speaker 5: many weeks would they have been there? Sort of nearly 399 00:22:33,053 --> 00:22:36,253 Speaker 5: three or three or four weeks New Zealand have anyway, 400 00:22:36,453 --> 00:22:39,973 Speaker 5: you haven't done so what why would they Why would 401 00:22:40,013 --> 00:22:41,893 Speaker 5: they not have learned in that time with a new 402 00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:43,773 Speaker 5: ball that they don't as they're going to bowl an 403 00:22:43,773 --> 00:22:45,893 Speaker 5: in the swinger it go, it won't go down leg 404 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:49,693 Speaker 5: I see. I I just I just feel an outswinger 405 00:22:49,813 --> 00:22:52,693 Speaker 5: will take it, will beat the outside education and go 406 00:22:52,773 --> 00:22:57,533 Speaker 5: through to the keeper. You know, it'll an in swinger 407 00:22:57,693 --> 00:23:01,653 Speaker 5: will hit the pads perhaps you know, and they might 408 00:23:01,693 --> 00:23:04,013 Speaker 5: get a single for a leg by, but that's it. 409 00:23:04,253 --> 00:23:05,813 Speaker 6: If you get a single, that's a that's a win, 410 00:23:05,973 --> 00:23:06,493 Speaker 6: isn't it. 411 00:23:06,813 --> 00:23:11,533 Speaker 5: So I just feel or you head an outside middle 412 00:23:11,853 --> 00:23:15,053 Speaker 5: from an outswinger and they can't control that and you. 413 00:23:15,053 --> 00:23:15,933 Speaker 6: Might get a catch. 414 00:23:16,653 --> 00:23:19,733 Speaker 5: So I just feel we need to be doing a 415 00:23:19,773 --> 00:23:22,973 Speaker 5: little bit more with the ball rather than just seeming 416 00:23:23,013 --> 00:23:28,093 Speaker 5: it and conditions that don't seem and so it restricts 417 00:23:28,173 --> 00:23:32,213 Speaker 5: us too much to either we don't bowl many Yorkers. 418 00:23:33,293 --> 00:23:36,573 Speaker 5: We don't trust our ability to do that. We go 419 00:23:36,653 --> 00:23:39,933 Speaker 5: try to go wide and we end up bowling too wide. 420 00:23:40,533 --> 00:23:44,373 Speaker 5: So just the accuracy I don't think is quite is 421 00:23:44,493 --> 00:23:48,133 Speaker 5: quite there at the moment, but the rewards are there, 422 00:23:48,853 --> 00:23:52,773 Speaker 5: and so I just feel we can't keep on relying 423 00:23:52,813 --> 00:23:54,653 Speaker 5: on green seamers, that's all. 424 00:23:55,213 --> 00:23:57,253 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm not blaming the players. 425 00:23:57,533 --> 00:24:02,333 Speaker 5: It's not easy, but I just feel that they need 426 00:24:02,373 --> 00:24:04,373 Speaker 5: to just upskill as much as they can. 427 00:24:05,213 --> 00:24:08,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we keep developing a swinging conditions, I guess 428 00:24:08,773 --> 00:24:11,733 Speaker 2: in New Zealand, don't we So yeah, we shouldn't. And 429 00:24:12,613 --> 00:24:15,133 Speaker 2: they managed to do things with the ball when it's 430 00:24:15,253 --> 00:24:17,733 Speaker 2: roughed up now rather than the shiny side and the 431 00:24:20,253 --> 00:24:23,773 Speaker 2: side that's been worn down. That's the way balls used 432 00:24:23,773 --> 00:24:27,373 Speaker 2: to be developed by balls, wasn't it. The old hand 433 00:24:27,373 --> 00:24:31,813 Speaker 2: would go around and try and get one side shiny. 434 00:24:31,853 --> 00:24:34,013 Speaker 2: So it's a different skill now. 435 00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:35,053 Speaker 6: I get all that. 436 00:24:35,453 --> 00:24:38,013 Speaker 5: I just I think it's just as a little general comment, 437 00:24:38,613 --> 00:24:42,333 Speaker 5: I think our bowling was a bit samey, a wee 438 00:24:42,333 --> 00:24:44,933 Speaker 5: bit samey, and a wee bit straight, do you know 439 00:24:44,933 --> 00:24:48,013 Speaker 5: what I mean? Get it to dip, get it to 440 00:24:48,013 --> 00:24:50,493 Speaker 5: turn a bit, get it to you know, all those things. 441 00:24:50,853 --> 00:24:53,613 Speaker 5: Get it to do some things that they that you 442 00:24:53,653 --> 00:24:56,293 Speaker 5: impart at your end so that it does something in 443 00:24:56,333 --> 00:24:58,773 Speaker 5: between you and the batsman The other thing I quite 444 00:24:58,813 --> 00:25:01,853 Speaker 5: enjoyed just quickly fellas was the associates. I thought they 445 00:25:01,893 --> 00:25:04,053 Speaker 5: played a good part in this tournament. I don't know 446 00:25:04,093 --> 00:25:07,733 Speaker 5: whether you guys we say this. It's said utually at 447 00:25:07,733 --> 00:25:12,813 Speaker 5: the end of it tournament, isn't it. The associates kind 448 00:25:12,813 --> 00:25:17,653 Speaker 5: of make footnotes in the cricket calendar. But it's the 449 00:25:17,693 --> 00:25:20,933 Speaker 5: one chance for cricket to become more global, isn't it. 450 00:25:20,933 --> 00:25:24,493 Speaker 5: It's T twenties. It's not test matches. You know, no 451 00:25:24,653 --> 00:25:28,573 Speaker 5: associates made the Super eights in this tournament, but there 452 00:25:28,613 --> 00:25:30,013 Speaker 5: were certainly signs. 453 00:25:30,293 --> 00:25:32,693 Speaker 6: I thought Usa. 454 00:25:34,013 --> 00:25:37,613 Speaker 5: The Netherlands they both pushed in there, there was a 455 00:25:37,653 --> 00:25:40,773 Speaker 5: spilled catch. I think the Netherlands would have won over Pakistan. 456 00:25:41,293 --> 00:25:46,013 Speaker 5: Correct one ball against Nepal could have beaten England. You know, 457 00:25:46,373 --> 00:25:51,373 Speaker 5: there were close matches and because T twenty is the 458 00:25:51,373 --> 00:25:55,773 Speaker 5: most precarious format, you know, the most capricious. If you're 459 00:25:55,773 --> 00:25:58,933 Speaker 5: going to include sides from less established cricket countries, this 460 00:25:59,053 --> 00:26:01,973 Speaker 5: is the one to include them in. And I think 461 00:26:02,013 --> 00:26:05,693 Speaker 5: there were those moments were there and the outcomes of 462 00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:08,813 Speaker 5: matches could have led to upsets they didn't, and that 463 00:26:09,053 --> 00:26:13,293 Speaker 5: must still be could be significant because I just don't 464 00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:18,853 Speaker 5: think they have getting the opportunities to play stronger sides. 465 00:26:19,813 --> 00:26:19,853 Speaker 9: En. 466 00:26:20,853 --> 00:26:24,093 Speaker 5: I think Oman and Namibia and Canada were a little 467 00:26:24,133 --> 00:26:29,173 Speaker 5: bit de distance away from the other ones. But the Associates, 468 00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:32,933 Speaker 5: I thought brought a good flavor. They brought great browdspit, 469 00:26:33,013 --> 00:26:37,973 Speaker 5: you know, along they bring their fight, they bring their 470 00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:42,133 Speaker 5: flair and you get some unusual bowlers sometimes from those 471 00:26:42,173 --> 00:26:48,373 Speaker 5: associate teams. So I just I thought the greatest upset 472 00:26:48,493 --> 00:26:53,533 Speaker 5: in the tournament was Australia's exit to Zimbabwe. So the associates, 473 00:26:53,693 --> 00:26:56,853 Speaker 5: they just ICEE CEE helped them, is what I'm saying, 474 00:26:57,213 --> 00:27:01,693 Speaker 5: help them. And you know they don't have test status, 475 00:27:01,933 --> 00:27:06,973 Speaker 5: they lack voting influence, they lack ic C funding. How 476 00:27:07,013 --> 00:27:10,333 Speaker 5: long did that guy Van Skull from the US hold 477 00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:12,733 Speaker 5: the position as the top wicket taker in this tournament? 478 00:27:13,453 --> 00:27:17,133 Speaker 5: You know, I just I just thought, and those Nepalese 479 00:27:17,173 --> 00:27:18,773 Speaker 5: supporters fantastic. 480 00:27:19,093 --> 00:27:21,253 Speaker 3: I think we touched on this before you. I think 481 00:27:21,293 --> 00:27:25,493 Speaker 3: that's it's in that sense this tournament has been a 482 00:27:25,613 --> 00:27:28,573 Speaker 3: success because they've they've brought in the extent of the 483 00:27:28,653 --> 00:27:31,973 Speaker 3: number of teams can only be good and it's given 484 00:27:32,053 --> 00:27:38,613 Speaker 3: players opportunities to perform in the international stage, which in 485 00:27:38,653 --> 00:27:42,253 Speaker 3: their wildest dreams possibly they would never have imagined. You 486 00:27:42,293 --> 00:27:45,373 Speaker 3: didn't touch on did you touch on Afghanistan? I mean, 487 00:27:45,893 --> 00:27:51,453 Speaker 3: they genuinely a Threatleach, especially at this sort of at 488 00:27:51,453 --> 00:27:55,253 Speaker 3: this sort of competition, because they do have those sorts 489 00:27:55,293 --> 00:27:58,373 Speaker 3: of bowlers who can who can get you out, and 490 00:27:58,413 --> 00:28:01,773 Speaker 3: they've got they've got power in their batting and as 491 00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:04,013 Speaker 3: you say, with the others like Nepaul, I just think 492 00:28:04,053 --> 00:28:06,973 Speaker 3: that was fabulous. And what's more, the thing about the 493 00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:11,093 Speaker 3: paw was I think think it was they're all net 494 00:28:11,173 --> 00:28:13,693 Speaker 3: police as opposed to a number of the teams which 495 00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:18,293 Speaker 3: have shall we say, people not from their country originally 496 00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:21,053 Speaker 3: playing for them. But again, I just think a great 497 00:28:21,093 --> 00:28:24,653 Speaker 3: opportunity for for cricket in the in a broad sense 498 00:28:25,453 --> 00:28:28,893 Speaker 3: to develop Yeah, a worldwide game, which it which it 499 00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:34,493 Speaker 3: clearly is. But I in that sense actually see you've 500 00:28:34,573 --> 00:28:36,813 Speaker 3: done well there. But the other point I think you 501 00:28:36,933 --> 00:28:40,213 Speaker 3: correctly make there was money made out of this tournament. 502 00:28:40,453 --> 00:28:46,133 Speaker 3: Surely there's some trickle down so that that so that 503 00:28:46,213 --> 00:28:51,093 Speaker 3: these these teams can can can develop and can develop 504 00:28:51,133 --> 00:28:53,493 Speaker 3: more more strength. I mean, I know, for instance, on 505 00:28:53,293 --> 00:28:57,413 Speaker 3: a on a personal level about the Netherlands. Yeah, that 506 00:28:57,613 --> 00:29:01,293 Speaker 3: that strap for catch constantly. Partly that could be because of 507 00:29:01,293 --> 00:29:05,493 Speaker 3: some internal administration he cups, but but they are that 508 00:29:05,013 --> 00:29:09,293 Speaker 3: that try to upskill themselves, develop ground with grass, wickets 509 00:29:09,293 --> 00:29:12,333 Speaker 3: and so on. Now that's just the nevolence. And they've 510 00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:15,693 Speaker 3: got capital around them. But the other countries they're not 511 00:29:15,853 --> 00:29:19,013 Speaker 3: as wealthy as the Netherlands, so I hope that there 512 00:29:19,093 --> 00:29:21,373 Speaker 3: is more money spread around coming out of this sort 513 00:29:21,373 --> 00:29:22,333 Speaker 3: of stuff to develop. 514 00:29:22,893 --> 00:29:25,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, it needs more than just a one World T 515 00:29:25,373 --> 00:29:29,373 Speaker 2: twenty championship. They need to see positions whereby they can 516 00:29:29,453 --> 00:29:32,613 Speaker 2: develop and that's the challenge for the ICC. 517 00:29:33,293 --> 00:29:36,973 Speaker 1: Brion Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 518 00:29:37,173 --> 00:29:40,413 Speaker 2: One of the challenges for New Zealand is to find 519 00:29:40,413 --> 00:29:44,933 Speaker 2: another bowler like Brett Randall five wickets and five balls. 520 00:29:45,333 --> 00:29:47,613 Speaker 7: It hasn't happened in the two. 521 00:29:47,493 --> 00:29:51,333 Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty four year history of first class cricket, Jerry, 522 00:29:51,373 --> 00:29:53,413 Speaker 2: you'd have played a fair bit of that history. Did 523 00:29:53,453 --> 00:29:54,453 Speaker 2: you ever get a hat trick? 524 00:29:54,973 --> 00:29:59,293 Speaker 6: Yeah? Did I ever? Did I ever get a hat trick? 525 00:30:00,373 --> 00:30:02,613 Speaker 6: I must have. I think I got one, but not 526 00:30:02,693 --> 00:30:03,653 Speaker 6: in first class. 527 00:30:03,893 --> 00:30:06,253 Speaker 5: I think it was probably at an Enville Park on 528 00:30:06,253 --> 00:30:11,773 Speaker 5: a slightly slightly dot slightly dodgy pitch. And I was 529 00:30:11,813 --> 00:30:14,733 Speaker 5: probably about ten or eleven at the time, so no, 530 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:17,093 Speaker 5: I didn't. 531 00:30:17,893 --> 00:30:18,773 Speaker 7: What about you, moose? 532 00:30:19,813 --> 00:30:26,693 Speaker 3: Uh well, yeah I did get ahead. Hetrick and I 533 00:30:27,093 --> 00:30:31,053 Speaker 3: was I was on again, pretty dodgy, wicked. It's Saint 534 00:30:31,093 --> 00:30:34,493 Speaker 3: Joseph's College mastered and and I think I've still got 535 00:30:34,493 --> 00:30:38,773 Speaker 3: the cricket ball somewhere in a box. But that was it. 536 00:30:39,773 --> 00:30:44,373 Speaker 3: The thing that that five wickets he was he was 537 00:30:44,453 --> 00:30:48,453 Speaker 3: knocking over good players and he was I think two 538 00:30:48,533 --> 00:30:49,653 Speaker 3: or three of them were bottled. 539 00:30:50,853 --> 00:30:53,173 Speaker 6: They were yeah, yeah. 540 00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:54,773 Speaker 7: I think one of them was a little unlucky. 541 00:30:55,933 --> 00:30:59,653 Speaker 2: It appeared as though Carter was given out courtner and 542 00:30:59,693 --> 00:31:02,293 Speaker 2: from what you could see from the very poor video, 543 00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:05,213 Speaker 2: which is of course the stuff that comes from the 544 00:31:05,453 --> 00:31:07,573 Speaker 2: camera a long way off it, he seemed to be 545 00:31:07,613 --> 00:31:10,373 Speaker 2: a long way away and his head was shaking as 546 00:31:10,373 --> 00:31:12,893 Speaker 2: he walked off, and I think it's probably still shaking 547 00:31:12,933 --> 00:31:15,893 Speaker 2: as to how he was given out. But yeah, I mean, 548 00:31:16,493 --> 00:31:21,293 Speaker 2: and on a deck that, you know, Wellington the game 549 00:31:21,333 --> 00:31:23,973 Speaker 2: previously scored four hundred odds, you know, I mean, it's 550 00:31:23,973 --> 00:31:26,453 Speaker 2: not as if it's a dodgy pitch or anything like 551 00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:30,093 Speaker 2: that you're talking McLean Park Napier and it's a good 552 00:31:31,173 --> 00:31:33,933 Speaker 2: but talking about hat tricks, I was in as a 553 00:31:33,973 --> 00:31:41,733 Speaker 2: batsman two hat tricks successive games against the same opposition 554 00:31:42,373 --> 00:31:47,413 Speaker 2: in senior club cricket, and I don't reveal that information 555 00:31:47,893 --> 00:31:51,133 Speaker 2: too readily because it's quite an embarrassment, isn't it. 556 00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:54,093 Speaker 6: Were you the third one in either of them? 557 00:31:54,533 --> 00:31:57,253 Speaker 2: I was the third one and the first and that's 558 00:31:57,653 --> 00:32:00,213 Speaker 2: the one I do I do talk about. I do 559 00:32:00,373 --> 00:32:03,973 Speaker 2: talk about because it was a left arm spinner for Colburnia, 560 00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:08,293 Speaker 2: guy called Nigel Smith. Yes, the ball was going down 561 00:32:08,453 --> 00:32:10,933 Speaker 2: leg side quite clearly, but it was a hat trick. 562 00:32:11,013 --> 00:32:15,613 Speaker 2: Ball Ham Heart was the umpire and everybody would know 563 00:32:16,253 --> 00:32:18,173 Speaker 2: was a very enthusiastic. 564 00:32:17,573 --> 00:32:19,973 Speaker 6: Man, very very solid umpire. 565 00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:22,693 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sure he called out out and that's a 566 00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:24,213 Speaker 2: hat trick. I'm sure he said that. 567 00:32:27,893 --> 00:32:28,933 Speaker 6: Oh hard luck words. 568 00:32:29,493 --> 00:32:33,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't mind. The other one, Rock Collins 569 00:32:33,653 --> 00:32:36,093 Speaker 2: was the other bowlus. I was quite happy to be 570 00:32:36,133 --> 00:32:38,613 Speaker 2: knocked over by him. But I was the middle man then, 571 00:32:38,733 --> 00:32:42,693 Speaker 2: so I wasn't the third. But it's quite an incredible 572 00:32:42,733 --> 00:32:45,813 Speaker 2: achievement to be able to do that against top order batting, 573 00:32:45,853 --> 00:32:49,693 Speaker 2: a batting side that Northern Districts was able to develop 574 00:32:50,493 --> 00:32:52,293 Speaker 2: and to be the first person to do it in 575 00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:55,653 Speaker 2: first class cricket, I mean it's been done before in cricket. 576 00:32:56,373 --> 00:32:57,373 Speaker 7: There's a young. 577 00:32:57,293 --> 00:32:59,253 Speaker 2: Lady who's out here at the moment and sadly she 578 00:32:59,293 --> 00:33:01,933 Speaker 2: got injured playing for Zimbabwe. Got hit on the side 579 00:33:01,933 --> 00:33:04,693 Speaker 2: of the head and they had to leave the field 580 00:33:04,693 --> 00:33:07,413 Speaker 2: and was injured. And she has done it in an 581 00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:10,133 Speaker 2: under nineteen game in Zimbabwe. 582 00:33:10,933 --> 00:33:13,013 Speaker 7: And another person who have done. 583 00:33:12,853 --> 00:33:16,893 Speaker 2: It is an Irish cricketer by the name of Curtis Kampher. 584 00:33:17,653 --> 00:33:20,413 Speaker 2: He did it in a match in July twenty twenty five, 585 00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:23,053 Speaker 2: a domestic T twenty game, so it wasn't a first 586 00:33:23,053 --> 00:33:26,893 Speaker 2: class game as such. And while we're talking about bowler's dominance, 587 00:33:27,253 --> 00:33:32,613 Speaker 2: one bowler sixty years ago dominated the New Zealand side 588 00:33:32,853 --> 00:33:38,133 Speaker 2: in a Test match at Edgeburston. Fred Tipmas took four 589 00:33:38,173 --> 00:33:40,293 Speaker 2: wickets in one over. 590 00:33:40,813 --> 00:33:43,333 Speaker 9: No, it's Tipmas who comes in bowls to you all 591 00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:47,053 Speaker 9: and yours pot had slipped it went with the army, 592 00:33:47,253 --> 00:33:50,413 Speaker 9: reached forward, got an edge and Cowdrick took it as 593 00:33:50,413 --> 00:33:53,173 Speaker 9: easily as shilling be. Tipmas bolster. He lost it in 594 00:33:53,173 --> 00:33:58,413 Speaker 9: his oak cotton bowl Taylor Corton bowl Tipmas not New 595 00:33:58,493 --> 00:34:02,373 Speaker 9: Zealand one five eight per seven tipmas now three wickets 596 00:34:02,733 --> 00:34:06,573 Speaker 9: three for fourteen. In fact, it comes in bowls to 597 00:34:06,653 --> 00:34:10,493 Speaker 9: Motts and Motts goes forward and by Smith cub forwards 598 00:34:10,533 --> 00:34:14,373 Speaker 9: ort Legs comes in bowls and the bowls collins off. 599 00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:14,973 Speaker 6: The inside edge. 600 00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:18,213 Speaker 9: My goodness, got an over four war kits in the over. 601 00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:21,573 Speaker 2: I just want to make a comment at the end 602 00:34:21,613 --> 00:34:26,973 Speaker 2: that farewells in the women's game to lear to who 603 00:34:26,973 --> 00:34:29,813 Speaker 2: who's giving up the one day game. It's been chosen 604 00:34:29,813 --> 00:34:31,693 Speaker 2: for the t twenties because there's a World Cup coming 605 00:34:31,773 --> 00:34:33,893 Speaker 2: up and she may well be included in it. The 606 00:34:33,933 --> 00:34:37,853 Speaker 2: other one's Alyssa Heey who's given a lifetime of service 607 00:34:37,893 --> 00:34:40,773 Speaker 2: to Australia and you know, you look at her record, 608 00:34:41,093 --> 00:34:44,213 Speaker 2: she's been quite outstanding. So I think we should acknowledge 609 00:34:44,653 --> 00:34:49,253 Speaker 2: their contribution to the women's game and we won't be 610 00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:52,133 Speaker 2: able to see them play, particularly Alyssa Healey who's got 611 00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:53,373 Speaker 2: an outstanding record. 612 00:34:54,173 --> 00:34:57,613 Speaker 3: She's a fabulous player. I mean when you watched her back, 613 00:34:58,373 --> 00:35:02,773 Speaker 3: yeah she could score quickly, but playing real proper cricket shots. 614 00:35:03,453 --> 00:35:07,853 Speaker 3: Damn good keeper too, if you don't mind you'd go 615 00:35:07,893 --> 00:35:10,453 Speaker 3: and watch her because you think, no, this is someone 616 00:35:10,573 --> 00:35:14,333 Speaker 3: very very good, talented person because she's now switched into 617 00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:18,693 Speaker 3: the commentary box. And but yeah, she was good too, 618 00:35:18,773 --> 00:35:21,293 Speaker 3: so not that they're going to need it, but she's 619 00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:24,573 Speaker 3: got a nice career going there as well. Talented person. 620 00:35:25,573 --> 00:35:28,853 Speaker 5: And both long servants of the game, aren't they, Brian. 621 00:35:29,773 --> 00:35:33,733 Speaker 5: You know they're committed to the game. They obviously love it. 622 00:35:33,893 --> 00:35:37,413 Speaker 5: It makes them feel good. They like the skills that 623 00:35:36,453 --> 00:35:42,133 Speaker 5: they are required to impart in the game itself. They've 624 00:35:42,133 --> 00:35:47,413 Speaker 5: had success at that for their respective sides. So yeah, 625 00:35:47,653 --> 00:35:51,773 Speaker 5: these times come and go, don't they eventually for everybody. 626 00:35:51,493 --> 00:35:53,493 Speaker 7: That's what happened. Sixteen years. 627 00:35:53,493 --> 00:35:56,053 Speaker 2: They've been playing at the top level of the women okay, 628 00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:59,973 Speaker 2: and that's quite uncort you'll be able to sustain that, 629 00:36:00,093 --> 00:36:03,013 Speaker 2: so we acknowledge their contribution. We've still got a chance 630 00:36:03,053 --> 00:36:04,733 Speaker 2: to see Elea to her who she's going to be 631 00:36:04,773 --> 00:36:08,093 Speaker 2: playing against South Africa and the Tea Tweedies coming up, 632 00:36:08,413 --> 00:36:10,493 Speaker 2: and of course we can have a little rest, fellas, 633 00:36:10,533 --> 00:36:12,973 Speaker 2: because it's a couple of weeks away before we can 634 00:36:12,973 --> 00:36:14,453 Speaker 2: watch another T twenty. 635 00:36:14,813 --> 00:36:18,613 Speaker 3: Looking forward to much as you love them, Brian. 636 00:36:20,133 --> 00:36:20,653 Speaker 7: I'll watch it. 637 00:36:20,733 --> 00:36:23,213 Speaker 2: I like to see New Zealand perform well and I'm 638 00:36:23,213 --> 00:36:25,893 Speaker 2: happy to celebrate it when they do. Thanks guys, we'll 639 00:36:27,293 --> 00:36:29,373 Speaker 2: talk again sometime in the near future. 640 00:36:30,493 --> 00:36:33,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can sign off a relatively content that we 641 00:36:33,693 --> 00:36:36,013 Speaker 3: actually did pretty well and better than I would have 642 00:36:36,053 --> 00:36:38,973 Speaker 3: predicted four weeks ago. So we're playing New Zealand and 643 00:36:39,173 --> 00:36:44,173 Speaker 3: very well played Nbear deserving champions. Yep. 644 00:36:44,253 --> 00:36:49,613 Speaker 5: I think they were probably the best side summer. 645 00:36:56,413 --> 00:36:59,053 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b Listen live on 646 00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:02,093 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 647 00:37:02,173 --> 00:37:04,733 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.