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Speaker 1: A questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today. It is

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Speaker 3: Musk versus Trump, isn't it Who's going to win? We're

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Speaker 3: going to go over to the US about that Sky

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Speaker 3: speak to the Shareholders' Association. We're also going to have

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Speaker 1: Heather dus No, I wish.

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Speaker 3: We'd stop doing that thing that Winston Peters did today.

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Speaker 3: What happened is that Helen Clark and Don Brash and

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Palmer and David Carter and a couple of their

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Speaker 3: they used these ads to urge New Zealand. It's really

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Speaker 3: an open letter to the Prime Minister, but basically to

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Speaker 3: And then Winston Peters was asked about it and he

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Speaker 3: shot them down basically by saying they're irrelevant because they've

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Speaker 3: left politics. Now, this is the thing. I hear this

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Speaker 3: I might not agree with Don and Helen at al,

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Speaker 3: but you can't deny that they know what they're talking about. Helen,

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Speaker 3: especially when she was the Prime minister, that is basically

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Speaker 3: man was the Reserve Bank governor, for God's sake, very

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Speaker 3: well read, Jeffrey Palmer, everybody knows, almost too smart at times,

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Speaker 3: incredibly well read. And I could keep going. Now, obviously

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Speaker 3: we do not know what we do not know, and

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Speaker 3: maybe there's some intelligence. Maybe there are some briefings being

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Speaker 3: given to current ministers that current ministers that maybe Helen

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Speaker 3: l do not have access to, but they do have

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Speaker 3: years of experience of American pressure and game playing to

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Speaker 3: draw on. Right, you don't think Helen knows how this

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Speaker 3: game works behind the scenes. Course she does, so I

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Speaker 3: do not think that her view is irrelevant at all.

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Speaker 3: And actually I think it is a fault of ours

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Speaker 3: that we as a country consistently put our former leaders

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Speaker 3: hundreds of incredibly bright business leaders, political leaders, former cabinet ministers,

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Speaker 3: being completely ignored by us, when they actually have brains

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Speaker 3: full of amazing information and a huge amount of experience

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Speaker 3: participate in our national conversations like this one, like whether

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Speaker 3: it is wise for us to be so cozy with

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Speaker 3: the States and risk our relationship with China. So actually

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Speaker 3: quite the opposite of what Winston said today. I'd like

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Speaker 3: to say good on Helen and co. For piping up,

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Speaker 3: and long may they pipe up, and hopefully others will

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Speaker 3: I'd love to know what if you're from Mount Eden,

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Speaker 3: about Helen, But the rest of you you can text.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen niney two standard text fees a play. Now, how

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Speaker 3: about this, We're about to talk about one of my

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Speaker 3: favorite books. Now, if you're a regular listener to the show,

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Speaker 3: The Anxious Generation by Jonathan hit In the book, Jonathan

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Speaker 3: makes the case that kids today are increasingly suffering from

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Speaker 3: instead they sit around on the phones and the social media.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Height is based in New York. Jonathan Hello, Hello Heather, Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: Can I stop by saying I love the book? I mean,

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Speaker 6: No one has ever really stopped me in the street

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Speaker 6: but once this book came out, what's happening is that mothers,

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think that's exactly what it is. But just

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Speaker 6: Now with little kids, it really matters what you do.

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Speaker 6: Look mom and dad do work.

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Speaker 3: social media the country's social media band for kids. Straight after.

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Speaker 3: All right, so Jonathan his is with us, author of

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Speaker 3: one of my favorite books, which is The Anxious Generation?

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Speaker 3: Can I recommend it if you're a parent? Jonathan? On

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Speaker 3: We are considering this as a country and the biggest

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Speaker 3: argument that we get against it is that it's technologically

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Speaker 3: not possible. Is that true, Jonathan?

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Speaker 6: Well, I can't force myself to laugh on command, but

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Speaker 6: There are so many industries that already agegate. There are

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 13: Now, Hey, Dan, can I just say real quick that

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Speaker 3: Your broad cat, your lame yeah.

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Speaker 13: And I am graduate.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what your lameness comes from? Such a

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Speaker 3: You're not cool?

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Speaker 13: Well what don't don't ever stop being who you are?

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Speaker 13: him out of the country.

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Speaker 3: Is trying to become involved as an east like he's

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Speaker 3: trying to himself into this.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I think he's just trying to write on

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Speaker 13: the coatails, get a little FaceTime on the on the

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Speaker 13: evening news. And then of course Musk comes out just

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Speaker 13: a short time and go and says President Trump has

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Speaker 13: highest to the whole, uh, Jeff Epstein the situation, and

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Speaker 13: I mean this gets personal. I mean when on AX

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Speaker 13: he said time to drop the really big bomb, he

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Speaker 13: said Trump is in the files and this is the

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Speaker 13: real reason they haven't been made public. So oh my gosh,

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Speaker 13: I mean, you just this is the way we're ending the.

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Speaker 3: Week Do you think this is fair? If that is not,

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Speaker 3: if what he has said about Trump being in the

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Speaker 3: Epstein files is not true, then Donald will sue. And

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Speaker 3: if Donald doesn't sue, then it's true.

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Speaker 13: Yes, one would think so, although even when something is true,

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Speaker 13: one finds that the president wants to go after whoever

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Speaker 13: it is that's making the accusations just because it deflects

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Speaker 13: a lot. But boy, you're right. I mean, if this,

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Speaker 13: if there is even a little bit of smoke on this,

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Speaker 13: there's gonna be a lot of fires we get into

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Speaker 13: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Shows that The thing that I can't decide is I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't think Trump wins this. So either Elon

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Speaker 3: wins this or it's mutually assured destruction. And I wonder

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Speaker 3: if it's the latter, And I wonder if that's what

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Speaker 3: the Tesla shareholders are seeing here.

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Speaker 13: I think you're right, because I mean the sharers have

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Speaker 13: just dropped tremendously. I mean they're down, you know, thirty

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Speaker 13: forty fifty percent or so, and that's why the board

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Speaker 13: members have been saying, hey, you've got to get back.

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Speaker 13: You know, eyes on the prize right here, this is

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Speaker 13: where the money's being man But you know, this isn't

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Speaker 13: just about Tesla. This is also about the space program,

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Speaker 13: and these two are just going to Nobody's going to

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Speaker 13: come out a winner in this.

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Speaker 3: I think you reckon. So do you think it's mutually

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Speaker 3: as sheer destruction?

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Speaker 13: I think I think it is. I mean, somebody will

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Speaker 13: come out and say they're a winner. Actually both of

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Speaker 13: them will come out and say they're a winner at

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Speaker 13: the end of the day. But it's it's hard to

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Speaker 13: say right now. Really, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, how's this going down? This travel band that

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Speaker 3: Trump is doing as well.

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Speaker 13: Well, depending on how you look at it. I mean,

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Speaker 13: it could be straightforward. You've got twelve countries, mostly African

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Speaker 13: and Middle Eastern, and he says that that the goal

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Speaker 13: is to block terrorism and target those who overstay their visas.

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Speaker 13: But then you have a lot of people who are

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Speaker 13: saying that, Okay, we don't understand a lot of the

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Speaker 13: fine print here. This is going to be harder trying

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Speaker 13: to get a straight answer a lot of questions about

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Speaker 13: extended stays and the visas, and the immigration rights groups

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Speaker 13: say they're going to sue over this, and they're going

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Speaker 13: to lose because they say this ban is actually stronger

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Speaker 13: than the last ban the President Trump put into effect

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Speaker 13: during his first term.

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Speaker 3: Hey, have you ever had your Walmart shopping delivered by drone?

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Speaker 13: I will never have my Walmart shopping delivered by a drone.

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Speaker 13: I can't imagine having I can't imagine having anything. I mean,

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Speaker 13: five pounds is the maximum right now, at least that

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Speaker 13: they're allowed to.

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Speaker 2: Do.

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Speaker 13: And they're doing this in Dallas Fort Worth, and they're

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Speaker 13: rolling this out to one hundred, maybe two hundred stores

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Speaker 13: in the next year right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you've.

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Speaker 13: Got people in a factory and in a matter of minutes,

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Speaker 13: they're going to have these things shipped out and they

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Speaker 13: can be to your place in thirty minutes or less.

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Speaker 13: Question I'm asking Heather, is you need drones, You need

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Speaker 13: drone pilots. All of this adds up so the question

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Speaker 13: is ken these become a truly profitable business.

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Speaker 3: Well probably, I don't know if they can in time.

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Speaker 3: In time, everything becomes cheaper, right, so possibly in time

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Speaker 3: it might, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It might.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I just can't see a bunch of these

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Speaker 13: things flying overhead, and you know, somebody's going to drop

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Speaker 13: something on someone and there's going to be a massive

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Speaker 13: lawsuit and everybody's going to be looking up, should be

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Speaker 13: looking straight ahead.

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Speaker 3: It's America, after all. Hey did you cry when you

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Speaker 3: went to Coldplay?

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Speaker 13: I did cry.

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Speaker 3: I cried a lot. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 13: Oh, thank you for the recommendation. Yes, it's very good.

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Speaker 3: Is it, as I said to you, one of the

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Speaker 3: best concerts you will ever go to in your whole life.

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Speaker 13: I am still listening. When I go to a concert

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Speaker 13: that I like, I just get I get home and

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Speaker 13: I started listening to the music over and over again

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Speaker 13: and re living it. And you're right, it's probably run

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Speaker 13: the top two or three concerts I've ever been.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. Dan, Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much. I really appreciated Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent Dan

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Speaker 3: for some weird reason, and Dan's very lucky but he

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Speaker 3: seems to be getting concerts after us. So because you

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Speaker 3: know I was telling you yesterday, I have the concert club,

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Speaker 3: so we got all kinds of weird things that we

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Speaker 3: wouldn't normally go to. Anyway, did go to Coldplay and

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Speaker 3: then I told Dan to go to Coldplay, so he

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Speaker 3: went to it, loved it and all my recommendation. His

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Speaker 3: booked Toto Tackets. We'll see how he feels about that.

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Speaker 3: And no, he did go to Toto. He said it

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Speaker 3: was good. He enjoyed that as well. So anyway, we'll

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Speaker 3: just you know, if you've got a concert recommendation for Dan,

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Speaker 3: just feed it through to me and we'll feed it

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Speaker 3: through to him. He seems up for it. Hither, I

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Speaker 3: can disagree with you more about the interference by former

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Speaker 3: prime ministers and politicians in today's world's international discourse. They

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Speaker 3: are yesterday's politicians. They don't have knowledge of current government information.

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Speaker 3: Well here's the thing, though, you're listening to me and

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Speaker 3: what I think about it, right, and I listen to

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Speaker 3: other people and what they think about it. And you

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Speaker 3: probably listen to your dad or your granddad, or your

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Speaker 3: mum or your wife. We all have conversations about these things.

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Speaker 3: And if we're prepared to listen to other people who

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Speaker 3: know literally nothing about government briefings, then why wouldn't we

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Speaker 3: listen to Helen who used to have government briefings and

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Speaker 3: actually does know something. Sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty, it's.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen away from five. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors

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Speaker 3: with us. Hey, Thomas, you.

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Speaker 14: Think of afternoon? Congratulations?

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Thomas is very kind of you.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think of these guys getting involved

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Speaker 3: in the debate about whether we're cozying up to the

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Speaker 3: US too much? Oh?

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Speaker 14: I mean, Helen Clark and Don Brash in particular have

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Speaker 14: been being the strong for a while. I've been a

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Speaker 14: few op eds in the hero actually and and I

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Speaker 14: mean certainly they are. They do have a point in

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Speaker 14: terms of the drift in New Zealand foreign policy drifting

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Speaker 14: a wee bit more towards the United States, particularly on

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Speaker 14: that defense area, whether or not, whether or not it

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Speaker 14: represents a kind of dangerous and and fool hardy threats

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Speaker 14: to our relationship with China, which I mean this up

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Speaker 14: here that they've they've written today with a couple of

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Speaker 14: other other authors, David Carter and the New Zealand Sorry

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Speaker 14: China based business person uh David Man, as well as

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Speaker 14: Jeffrey Palmer. This sort of makes the point that actually, this, this,

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Speaker 14: this might be now at the point where it does

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Speaker 14: put pressure on that Chinese relationship. And the Chinese relationship

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Speaker 14: is obviously an incredibly strong one and it has been

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Speaker 14: incredibly lucrative and important for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Winston Peters saying that they're

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Speaker 3: basically irrelevant.

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Speaker 14: Well, Winston, yeah, he has been making that point for

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Speaker 14: a little while now. That the issue, the the thing

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Speaker 14: that Winston Peter's always brings up is they haven't been

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Speaker 14: receiving the things that he's been receiving for many, many

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Speaker 14: years now. How Clark left office at the end of

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Speaker 14: two thousand and eight, Shi Jinping wasn't president of China

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Speaker 14: at that time. Winston Peter's obviously is in the beehive now,

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Speaker 14: it has been in the I, you know, twenty seventeen

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Speaker 14: to twenty He has read papers that none of these

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Speaker 14: people will have read. And that's the sort of part

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Speaker 14: of it. Obviously, we can't really see those briefings to

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Speaker 14: come to decide definitively for ourselves. But you know, certainly

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Speaker 14: the environment China is not what it was in two

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Speaker 14: thousand and eight, I guess is the main point. It

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Speaker 14: is a very different country.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think look, even without briefings, right, it's

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Speaker 3: pretty clear just from what you can see out there,

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Speaker 3: the things that are obvious, you can see how things

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Speaker 3: have changed and despite what we ask, and some of

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Speaker 3: it is kind of alarming, right, for example, shots being

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Speaker 3: fired by a Chinese warship in the Tasman Sea, and

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Speaker 3: yet regardless, these guys hold this view. So I don't know,

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Speaker 3: do you think the briefings are really that material to

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Speaker 3: this debate. I'm just saying there's so much available, and.

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Speaker 14: It's interesting you should say that. I've spoken to a

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Speaker 14: few people of how that portfolio and they mentioned basically

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Speaker 14: the same point that you've made, which is that the

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Speaker 14: briefings don't say anything that you would necessarily be surprised

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Speaker 14: to read based on what you know already. I mean,

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Speaker 14: there's not just the firing and the tesnency, but the

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Speaker 14: ballistic missile that was fired into the Pacific thing landed

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Speaker 14: and French Polynesia, which due to the Colins said that

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Speaker 14: that really changed the way that she feels about the

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Speaker 14: sort of security environment. So yeah, it's a different world.

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Speaker 14: The other thing, which I suppose is not being explored

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Speaker 14: so much as if China is getting is becoming more aggressive,

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Speaker 14: is are we you know but bye by slowly pecking aside?

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Speaker 14: Is that the best? Is that the best way I'm

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Speaker 14: dealing with this? Or do we sort of take a

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Speaker 14: Singapore approach where we just try and sit in the middle.

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Speaker 2: Of bit more?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well interesting, Okay, Now Lison David Sybill, so he went

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Speaker 3: off to the UK for the Oxford Union debate. He

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Speaker 3: said he lost the speech, but he said it went

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Speaker 3: quite well.

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Speaker 8: I felt that I got a very quiet and thoughtful response.

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Speaker 8: People were clearly listening, and that's exactly what I intended

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Speaker 8: to do, was pull people back to our side.

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Speaker 3: But am I right, Thomas, We're not going to get

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Speaker 3: in of the speech for a while yet that we no.

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Speaker 14: I mean, the Oxford Union is a media company and

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Speaker 14: they basically paywall this thing. I think they're released sort

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Speaker 14: of a meet a paywall. They're a private They are

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Speaker 14: obviously affiliated to the university, but they are sort of

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Speaker 14: a private a private entity that sits off the side.

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Speaker 14: Uh and and and they sell membership to Oxford students,

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Speaker 14: and and and I guess they've decided that live streaming

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Speaker 14: it simultaneously with the debates undercuts there, undercuts their business model.

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Speaker 14: So so they're not they're not. They're releasing the street.

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Speaker 14: They're releasing the video storry later on, so we'll get

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Speaker 14: to see it later on. But at the end of

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Speaker 14: at the end of the debate, they tell you out

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Speaker 14: the votes and David Seimour did not prevail in the NBA.

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Speaker 14: Seems to have had a good time anyway.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeay for him. Hey, Thomas, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. We have a chat to you

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Speaker 3: later in the program. Raped the political week that was.

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Speaker 3: That's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor, nine away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 15: Breakfast Parliament endorse the Privileges Committee recommendation around the Maori

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Speaker 15: Party Chaer of the Privileges Committee, Judith Coldin with us.

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Speaker 16: Which it's not about the Harker, it's not about that,

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Speaker 16: to interrupts the vote, finger pointing interos. There is a

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Speaker 16: gun movement at three actmps and none of the protocols.

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Speaker 16: We're respected in Parliament. Whatever we do, we've got to

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Speaker 16: follow those protocols.

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Speaker 15: That's the arrogance of it, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: I don't can't.

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Speaker 15: I can't work out whether they want to get it

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Speaker 15: or don't want to get it, or do get it,

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Speaker 15: but just don't want to run it. But I mean,

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Speaker 15: in other words, I just don't take them seriously. I

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Speaker 15: just I'm so fed up and sick of the part.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think they're not serious people do that. No, No,

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Speaker 16: well they're not serious people.

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Speaker 15: Back Monday from six am the Mic Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 15: the Defender, Octor News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Listen on the Donald Trump versus Musk spat. Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: reckons that what mask what's going on with Musk is

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Speaker 3: a serious case of Trump arrangement syndrome.

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Speaker 11: People leave my administration and they love us, and then

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Speaker 11: at some point they miss it so badly, and some

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Speaker 11: of them embrace it, and some of them actually become hostile.

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Speaker 11: I don't know what it is. It's out of Trump

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Speaker 11: derangement syndrome, I guess they call it.

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Speaker 1: But we have it with others.

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Speaker 11: Do they leave and they wake up in the morning

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Speaker 11: and the glamour's gone, the whole world is.

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Speaker 17: Different, and they become hustle. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 11: Someday you'll write a book about it and you'll let

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Speaker 11: us know.

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Speaker 3: And Charles Feldman, the US political analyst, is going to

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Speaker 3: be thus after five give us his take on who's

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Speaker 3: going to win this thing? And also did you know?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Rob the new black Caps coach,

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Speaker 3: But that's after half past five. Did you know? If

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Speaker 3: you want to, if you can't bear the thought of

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Speaker 3: your body going into the ground and being buried, and

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Speaker 3: you don't like the idea of being incinerated like the

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Speaker 3: fires of Hell, you can now opt for a water

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Speaker 3: cremation because the first water crematoriums opened in christ Church.

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Speaker 3: And quite how the thing works we don't know. So

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Speaker 3: we're going to get the details shortly now. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for your texts. I'm getting quite a few texts saying

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Speaker 3: congratulations because of course, like, did not expect that, but

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Speaker 3: won the big prize last night at the Radio Awards.

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Speaker 3: And because I did not expect that, I did not

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Speaker 3: bother going, did I? I said to them? Mate? Last

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Speaker 3: year I sat there CLAP for three hours, took the

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Speaker 3: day off work Clap for three hours. You told me

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Speaker 3: off for taking the day off work for Clap. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going if that's how If that's your attitude, well

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Speaker 3: I picked the wrong year to pack a tanty, didn't

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Speaker 3: I Because I wasn't there. I was on my way.

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Speaker 3: I was walking out here to go to the bathroom.

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Speaker 3: I said to Sam, Sam, I'm going to the bathroom, wingness.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you at the afterparty. Go have a drink.

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Speaker 3: Some Chap runs up to me. I still don't know

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Speaker 3: who that guy was, if he even works for us.

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Speaker 3: And he had the live stream on his phone and

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Speaker 3: he showed me and just in time for me to

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Speaker 3: see this amazing thing happening, and I still am blown

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Speaker 3: away by it. And then also because I wasn't there

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Speaker 3: to see Laura the German get up and do the speech.

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Speaker 3: And I gave her some notes. I said, if I

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Speaker 3: was to win anything, whatever, just say this. She said

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Speaker 3: none of it. She gave her own speech, which was

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Speaker 3: just wonderful. I think she's picked completely the wrong I

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Speaker 3: don't know why she's decided to be behind the mic,

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Speaker 3: because she speaks better than I do. She should be

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Speaker 3: in front of the mic. But anyway, if I did

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Speaker 3: give a speech, this is what I would have said.

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Speaker 3: I would thank Laura, and I would thank Sam, and

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Speaker 3: I would thank Ants and everybody else who works on

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Speaker 3: the show, because you know that it is impossible to

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Speaker 3: be good at your job if everybody around you sucks.

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Speaker 3: And they don't suck, they are so good at what

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Speaker 3: they do, which is why I'm able to do my

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Speaker 3: job the way that I do. And I would also

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Speaker 3: thank the bosses, Boggsy and Jason and the new guy,

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Speaker 3: Will and Ed and Michael and all those guys for

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Speaker 3: being great, because this is genuinely a really pleasurable place

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Speaker 3: to work. Of all the places I've worked, this is

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Speaker 3: the one place where I can say I genuinely love

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Speaker 3: these people and love working here. There's just none of

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Speaker 3: that nonsense that you get another place. There's just a

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Speaker 3: genuinely good, vibey place to work. People look after each other.

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Speaker 3: And then of course I have to say thank you

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Speaker 3: to my family and my friends and my husband and

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Speaker 3: everybody who helps to look after the kids, because you

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Speaker 3: know what it's like. You can't go to work if

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Speaker 3: there's no one looking after the kids. So somebody is

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Speaker 3: other people are helping me out so that I can

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Speaker 3: be here. So anyway, but mostly thank you for you

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Speaker 3: to you for listening, because if you didn't listen, they'd

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Speaker 3: fire me, they would. So thank you very much.

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Speaker 18: For a new person over again.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story. Goory,

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be afternoon. While that Trump Musk bromance has turned septic,

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Speaker 3: hasn't it. Musk says that Trump is in the Epstein

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Speaker 3: files and should be impeached. Trump says he's very disappointed

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Speaker 3: in Musk, and it's all a tanty about the ev incentives.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Charles Feldman is a journalist and a political analyst in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles and with us now, hy, Charles, Hey, how

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Speaker 3: you doing. I'm well, thank you. Who's going to win this?

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Speaker 10: Well, that's a really good question, because here you have,

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Speaker 10: in a fact, a battle between arguably the most powerful

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Speaker 10: politician on the planet, the President of the United States,

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Speaker 10: versus the richest man on the planet, the Elon Musk.

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Speaker 10: So I don't know. I'm not a betting man, so

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Speaker 10: I won't bet, but I do think that this is

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Speaker 10: going to be very interesting in the next few days.

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Speaker 3: Well, Trump should be worried, shouldn't he, Because Musk certainly

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Speaker 3: helped him to power. So presumably Musk can rally just

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Speaker 3: as much of those resources and make his life hard

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Speaker 3: Wiley's in power.

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Speaker 10: Well, they both have good reason to be concerned about

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Speaker 10: one another. And here's why. In a nutshell, let's take

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Speaker 10: President Trump first. President Trump, You're right, he benefited to

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Speaker 10: the tune of about a quarter of a billion dollars

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Speaker 10: that Elon Musk pumped into Trump's campaign to reclaim the

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Speaker 10: White House. More importantly, Musk also helped finance a lot

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Speaker 10: of the campaigns for winning Republicans in the Senate and

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Speaker 10: in the House of Representatives. So if Musk disappears and

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Speaker 10: takes the money that he has with him, that is

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Speaker 10: a problem for mister Trump and for Republicans you know,

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Speaker 10: down the road. Now, let's look at it from the

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Speaker 10: other point of view. If you're Elon Musk, he's got

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Speaker 10: some problems too. The President is threatening to take away

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Speaker 10: a lot of federal contracts, of which Elon Musk benefits enormously.

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Speaker 10: For Tesla, for SpaceX. He's threatening. In fact, Steve Bannon, who,

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Speaker 10: as I'm sure you know, has been a long time

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Speaker 10: Trump supporter and activist, I suppose he tonight, is also

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Speaker 10: suggesting that Elon Musk be deported from the United States,

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Speaker 10: even though he actually is a US citizen and has

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Speaker 10: been for something like twenty years now. So this is

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Speaker 10: really ugly. And you know, and I've said this to

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Speaker 10: some other people in the past few hours, if you

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Speaker 10: were a writer and if you sat down to write

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Speaker 10: a novel or a screenplay or a teleplay and you

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Speaker 10: try to sell this plot to anybody, they would probably

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Speaker 10: laugh you out of the building.

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Speaker 3: This was always going to end this way, wasn't it, though,

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Speaker 3: with two characters like that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right about that you're

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Speaker 10: talking about. I mean, look at the egos that you're

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Speaker 10: dealing with. You know, it takes an enormous ego, which

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Speaker 10: certainly mister Trump has for anyone, frankly to run for

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Speaker 10: and be elected as president of the United States, but

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Speaker 10: certainly mister Trump probably surpasses most in the ego department.

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Speaker 10: And then Elon Musk, who, again it's no small feed

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Speaker 10: I suppose to be the richest man in the known universe.

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Speaker 10: So yes, you're talking about a clash of incredible egos.

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Speaker 10: It was bound to have a parting of the ways

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Speaker 10: at some point. Mister Trump is not known for liking

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Speaker 10: to share the spotlight with anyone. But having said that,

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Speaker 10: nobody I think it would have predicted that the end

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Speaker 10: of this relationship, if it is an end, but I

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Speaker 10: suspect it is, at least in the short run. No

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Speaker 10: one would have suspected it would end in such a

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Speaker 10: dramatic in some ways, almost Shakespearean, you know fashion. And

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Speaker 10: anyone who says that they would have predicted it would

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Speaker 10: end this way is probably lying.

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Speaker 3: Charles, it's very good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much, as Charles Feldman US political analyst Heather dup

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Speaker 3: c Ellen. Right, Well, we have a case of sky

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Speaker 3: City versus Fletchers. Now sky City is suing Fletcher for

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Speaker 3: delays in building the Auckland Central Convention Center. They want

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Speaker 3: three hundred and thirty million dollars in damage. Oliver Amanda

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Speaker 3: is the CEO of the New Zealand Shareholders Association.

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Speaker 19: Hey Oliver good as known Heather, is three hundred and.

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Speaker 3: Thirty million dollars realistic.

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Speaker 19: Look, I think that's really for the lawyers to decide.

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Speaker 19: Fletcher Building has been very clear in saying it has

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Speaker 19: already paid significant condota damages as a result of the delays,

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Speaker 19: and so really it's not for me. It's not my

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Speaker 19: place to actually judge that and say that. Ultimately it's

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Speaker 19: the lawyers. It'll be the winner on the day for

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Speaker 19: this case.

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Speaker 3: I imagine it's going to have a dampener on the

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Speaker 3: share price for as long as this drags on, won't it.

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Speaker 19: I think it's another sort of nail in the coffin

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Speaker 19: of the longest of issues associated with the ICC and

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Speaker 19: Fletcher Building. It's interesting to see the share price reaction day.

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Speaker 19: The share price is down very slightly, but sort of

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Speaker 19: not as significantly as it may have been in the past.

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Speaker 19: Why not think, well, that's I think Fletcher Building. Their

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Speaker 19: share price has stabilized the last year or so, especially

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Speaker 19: relatory stable since about middle of twenty twenty four. So

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Speaker 19: that does there's sensily for causeus optimism surrounding the company

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Speaker 19: and its future. So look, whether this that the reaction

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Speaker 19: today or the more muted reaction today may mean that

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Speaker 19: the investors might be skeptical about the outcome of the

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Speaker 19: case or really there's just not enough information with its

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Speaker 19: judge in terms of the likelihood of the amount that

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Speaker 19: Fletchers will pay or will be erected to pay as

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Speaker 19: a result of any judgment.

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Speaker 3: It's an unbelievable run that this company's had, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: What's that very hit unbelievable run that Fletcher Building has had?

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Speaker 19: It is, and what it really reflects is that it

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Speaker 19: really highlights the long term impact of strategic and governance

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Speaker 19: decisions that are they take a decade to come out

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Speaker 19: of the woodwork, and that's what we sing here Fletchers.

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Speaker 19: But you know, as I said, that the share price

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Speaker 19: does appear to have stabilized over the last years, So

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Speaker 19: that tells you that institutions and individual investors they may

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Speaker 19: there may be some cautious optimism developing in terms of

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Speaker 19: Fletcher's future, which is good news. That is very for

869
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 19: Sky City. I think the main issue that investors want

870
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 19: to see there is simply that they that whatever action

871
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 19: you're taking here, that it isn't a distraction from improving

872
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 19: their risk profile. I've done a lot of work on

873
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 19: their risk processes, risk management, how they manage their compliance

874
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 19: with the regulatory regulatory authorities both here in New Zealand

875
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 19: and in Australia since the issues that they hadn't adelaide

876
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 19: in particular. So look, I think anything, I think investors

877
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 19: will be wanting the assurance that there's no distraction from

878
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 19: that ongoing process and improvement. And actually the if you

879
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 19: look at the sky City returns in the last five years,

880
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 19: I mean that share price has been on a one

881
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 19: way ticket down down South. Where else can do that

882
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 19: does a disservice of the people of South Island.

883
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm very sorry, Yeah, fair enough, I appreciate that, Oliver,

884
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Olive Amanda the chief executive officer at

885
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: the Shareholders Association.

886
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: Ever do for Ellen?

887
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: Question for you? Okay, think about this? How much actually okay,

888
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: how much do you think you would earn if you

889
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: took the job as the media boss the Ministry for

890
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 3: Disabled People?

891
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: Right?

892
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: This is the person, so the media boss at the

893
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: Ministry for Disabled People. Whenever we were like, oh, something

894
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: happened that we need to talk to the Ministry for

895
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: Disabled People, we would get in touch with this person

896
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: as the media This person would reply to us with

897
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: an email or a phone call or you know, you know,

898
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: like something probably just a text actually or something. Okay,

899
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: how much do you think that they would earn based

900
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: in Wellington? How much do you reckon think about it?

901
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you shortly quarter past all right,

902
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to get oh, somebody's already guessed it, already

903
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: guessed it. I'm going to come back to this very shortly.

904
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: Stand by right now. It's eighteen past five. New Zealand's

905
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: first water crematorium though, has just opened in christ Church.

906
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: Apparently it's more environmentally friendly than you know, getting cremated

907
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: with the fire. Deborah Richards is an operator for the crematorium.

908
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: High Debbie, Hi, Heather, how are you well? Thank you?

909
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: So does this basically work like this that it breaks

910
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: you guys? Take the body, put some solution in and

911
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: it breaks it down. Is that essentially that the nuts

912
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: and bolts of it.

913
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 7: So, yes, there's a little bit more to explain. But

914
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 7: we've imported a unit called a resumator from Leads in

915
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 7: the UK and it is it's essentially my background's nursing,

916
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 7: so it's essentially like a large sterilizer and it mimics

917
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 7: what happens to the body under the soil. With burial,

918
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 7: it breaks us down to our basic building blocks amino acids, sugars, soap,

919
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 7: and that is the liquid that's left behind. But most importantly,

920
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 7: the family receive bone ash, just as they do with

921
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 7: flame cremation. We pull the tray out from the resumator

922
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 7: at the end of the process. It's fourty five hours

923
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 7: and the body is broken down to its basic building

924
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 7: blocks as I said, which is returned to the water

925
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 7: cycle as process liquid that goes to the water treatment system.

926
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 7: Family receive the bones because we pull the bones the

927
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 7: tray out. The bones are left behind and anything that

928
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 7: is not of the body, hip implants, dental implants, knee replacements,

929
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 7: things like that are clean and can be recycled. And

930
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 7: the family receives about thirty percent more ash than they

931
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 7: would with flame cremation. And it's pure white because so

932
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 7: much more of the bones are preserved.

933
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 3: So you could somebody opt to get all those little

934
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: leftover bits like the tooth caps and all that stuff

935
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: as well. Oh sure, so you can have like a

936
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: little container of ashion and a little container of extras.

937
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 7: Yes, we can give them the urn with the ashes

938
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 7: in and whatever else have they if that's what they

939
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 7: choose to do.

940
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you reckon, he's going to take off?

941
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 6: I do.

942
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 7: I do most people that are really wanting to leave

943
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 7: less of a carbon imprint or a footprint. For those

944
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 7: people that want to be emissing less carbon, we amit

945
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 7: about one hundred and eighty two more sometimes more than

946
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 7: two hundred and forty kg of carbon with a flame cremation,

947
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 7: and more than seventy percent of us are choosing flame

948
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 7: cremation and alterio are now so for those people that

949
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 7: want to act on climate change and are concerned about

950
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 7: their environmental impact, I believe so. I think people do

951
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 7: want to know what they can do to address climate change,

952
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 7: and this is now an option that they can choose.

953
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 3: Debbie, thanks appreciate it. Debbie Richards, who is the Christier's

954
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 3: Water Crematorium director, Right, Heather, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

955
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: I am sad to say that's pretty close to being

956
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: bang on. If you were the media boss for the

957
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: Ministry of Disabled People, you would earn two hundred and

958
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: fifty eight thousand, two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars, Like,

959
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: are you listening to this? Two hundred and fifty eight

960
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Do you know what you do for a

961
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: job like that's got to be one of the easiest

962
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: media people jobs in the world. Literally, all you would

963
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: do all the day, all day long is you just

964
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: send out press releases asking for I don't know more

965
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 3: ramps and iPads and telling people off if there's a

966
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 3: big bruhaha about people parking and disabled car parks, for example, nationally,

967
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 3: you don't do that. There were do you know what?

968
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: I emailed them today because I was like, that can't

969
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: be real. Two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars. So

970
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: I emailed them and I was like, high media team,

971
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: could you just let me know if this is actually true?

972
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 3: If not, what is it actually? Can you reply by

973
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: four o'clock? I sent that at two eighteen. They haven't replied.

974
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: That's what these people are getting paid for. Nah, didn't

975
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: even acknowledge andn't even say yeah, we got it. And

976
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars.

977
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. That job, that's the easiest

978
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 3: job because no one hates disabled people, right, so you're

979
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: not gonna be There's not a lot of fires that

980
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: you're going to be fighting, do you know what I mean?

981
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: It's not like you're the cops or something like that.

982
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: That job maximum one hundred and fifty thousand, maximum one

983
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand, And the only reason I'm paying

984
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: you more than one twenty is because you're probably managing

985
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: some other people. One fifty maximum two fifty eight is

986
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: taking the piss And you know what, that is the

987
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: perfect example of what's wrong with the public service. What's

988
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: wrong with other people use using taxpayers money because they're like,

989
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: there's lots of it, just give it away. How much

990
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: did you want tow hundred and fifty eight? Yeah, no

991
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: worries heaps someone to go around. That's the problem with

992
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: the public service and a nutshell jeez. Five twenty anyway,

993
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 3: what don't any of you and my team think about

994
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: quitting and going and doing that job. They're all looking

995
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: at me like what am I doing with my life?

996
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: Five twenty two.

997
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

998
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and news

999
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: dogs they'd be hither.

1000
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: It's one hundred and twenty thousand dollars for the actual job,

1001
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: but also one hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars for

1002
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: having to live in Wellington, which actually is a fair

1003
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: point five twenty five. Now, I've been thinking overnight about

1004
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: the news yesterday that a second christ Church school has

1005
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: decided to put the walls back up in their classrooms

1006
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: and abandon those modern learning barn style spaces that we

1007
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: were doing, you know, in favor of going back to

1008
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: the traditional single class. The school is Shirley Boys High.

1009
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: They're the ones who'd just done it, and their last year,

1010
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: rang Yielder High School did the same thing something that

1011
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: Rangyorder High School's principal said struck me. He said, the

1012
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 3: results have been a huge shift in engagement, in attendance,

1013
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: in achievement. It is not what I was expecting. I

1014
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: was expecting a small shift, but it has gone through

1015
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: the roof. It's made a massive difference in everything in

1016
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: the school. And that reminded me a lot of what

1017
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: the principles and the teachers said after we banned the

1018
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: phones and schools remember that we banned the phones, and

1019
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: suddenly they were saying, wow, the difference is huge. But

1020
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: all we've done in both cases is the obvious thing

1021
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean, obviously, if you take the phones

1022
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: away from kids, they're going to be less distracted, they're

1023
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: going to learn better, they're going to talk to each

1024
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: other more, they're going to play outside more. And obviously,

1025
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: if you put thirty kids in a room by themselves,

1026
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: there will be less noise. Then if you have one

1027
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty kids in a big space together. Why

1028
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: is it so hard for us to do the obvious thing?

1029
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: Why did the Ministry of Education? Why was it so

1030
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: hell bent on doing the wrong thing? Because if you

1031
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: listen to educators or everybody else who's involved in this,

1032
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 3: they will tell you it was virtually impossible to get

1033
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: a school upgrade unless you agreed to take all the

1034
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: walls down and go buy in style. And yet obviously

1035
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: it was a really big mistake. It feels a little

1036
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 3: bit like the Ministry of Education went through a weird

1037
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: experimental phase that has cost our kids with everything from

1038
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: classroom styles to weird ways to teach English when they

1039
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: didn't have to do it, and when common sense would

1040
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: tell you that it wasn't gonna work. Why is it

1041
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: so hard when it comes to schooling for us to

1042
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: do the obvious thing Heather do for c Allen, Amersfield.

1043
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: Congratulations to Amersfield. Ammersfield Restaurant has been ranked in the

1044
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 3: World's fifty Best Restaurants fifty one to one hundred list.

1045
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: So it's not in the top fifty. Is that it's

1046
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: in the top one hundred's in the fifty one. It's

1047
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: in this b side. But hey, it's in the top

1048
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: one hundred of the world's restaurants for twenty twenty five. Ammersfield.

1049
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: If you don't know is that's the vineyard in central Otargets.

1050
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: It's a halfway between Aarrowtown and Queenstown. It's price I've

1051
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: been there. I don't remember paying this much. It's pricey.

1052
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: You can pay up to seven hundred dollars just for

1053
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: if you order from the chef's menu, and then the

1054
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: wine matching is another six hundred dollars. So if you're

1055
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: thinking of going there, you're going to be saving your

1056
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: pennies for a little while before you go there. But

1057
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: let me tell you you're gonna want to go there. It's

1058
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: an amazing Congratulations them because genuinely, that is the kind

1059
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: of meal you do it like on your tenth anniversary

1060
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: and you talk about it for years. Headline's next.

1061
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Quick after making the news, the news makers talk to

1062
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: Heather first. It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with

1063
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks. He'd be

1064
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: you're feeling down to swallow.

1065
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 10: Make you have be.

1066
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: Hither seven hundred dollars for a feed. You laugh at

1067
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: us because you can afford it, but we laugh at

1068
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: you because you'll pay it.

1069
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 4: What do you talk?

1070
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: I didn't pay that. What do you your nuts? You heard?

1071
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: You know that I'm part Scottish. I don't fork out

1072
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: that kind of money for anything.

1073
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: You know.

1074
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: The only person going there's whoever lands that job at

1075
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: the Ministry for Disabled People. They're going there and shouting everybody.

1076
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have so much dough. Helen Clark is

1077
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: going to be with us after six o'clock. By the way,

1078
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: get her taken what Winston said about her, that she's

1079
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: irrelevant and also the sports huddler standing by. It's twenty

1080
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: four away from six now. Rob Walter is the guy

1081
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: who has just been named the new head coach the

1082
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: black Caps. He takes over from Gary Stead, who of

1083
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: course only wanted to coach the red bull cracket but

1084
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: that was not an option and Rob is with us

1085
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: right now. I have Rob congratulations, Thanks very much.

1086
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 18: When did you get the news on Wednesday? So known

1087
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 18: for a couple of days.

1088
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: Are you still fizzling about it?

1089
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 18: Absolutely? Obviously Today it became a little bit more real

1090
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 18: with all the press engagement. But looking forward to is

1091
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 18: going to be awesome opportunity.

1092
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, how do you feel about the workload you've

1093
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: just been given? Because Gary Stead has said that really

1094
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: doing all three formats is just too much.

1095
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 18: I suppose, you know, having had a taste of it,

1096
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 18: albeit just in the white ball format for the last

1097
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 18: couple of years, have a good sense of you know,

1098
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 18: the responsibility from a time point of view. So I mean, yes,

1099
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 18: the workload potentially, you know, is significant. But looking forward

1100
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 18: to unfortunately my family, as I said, I've had a

1101
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 18: taste of it and understand very support above it. So

1102
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 18: I'm just looking forward to getting my feet and the

1103
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 18: shoes and getting active.

1104
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. How do you feel about the fact that so

1105
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: many of our cricketers are now choosing not to sign

1106
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: the central contracts?

1107
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 18: To be fair, it's kind of, you know, a sign

1108
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 18: of the times really, you know, the league, the League's obviously,

1109
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 18: you know, drawing players away from national contract team just

1110
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 18: given you know the financial implications of it already, So

1111
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 18: I mean not totally ununderstandable, We get it. It's really

1112
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 18: about being flexible, trying to evolve with the times, understanding

1113
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 18: where international cricket is headed. I think fortunately we've got

1114
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 18: a group of players who are certainly very focused on

1115
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 18: playing for the Black Apps and so trying to be

1116
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 18: you know, to move with it and be flexible in

1117
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 18: terms of how we contract players. You even create really

1118
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 18: have been trendt in that department, so we know we're

1119
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 18: going to have to keep moving and you know, there's

1120
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 18: no not black and white, so that it's going to

1121
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 18: have to be kind of a moving target and trying

1122
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 18: to get the best of both both.

1123
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: Do you think that you prioritize the players, Like if

1124
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 3: you have everybody available for selection and you've got people

1125
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: who've signed the central contracts and people who haven't, do

1126
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: you prioritize the ones who've signed the central contracts as

1127
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: if to kind of send a message to the ones

1128
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 3: who aren't, or do you just treat them all the same?

1129
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 10: No?

1130
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 18: I mean, obviously there is an element of acknowledging those

1131
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 18: you have committed through contracts, you know, to New Zealand

1132
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 18: and to the black Caps. I mean that's it goes

1133
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 18: without saying. But in the same breath, there are guys

1134
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 18: who have earned the right to to have a look

1135
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 18: at these different opportunities, you know. So at the end

1136
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 18: of the day, Kaine Williamson is a perfect example and said,

1137
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 18: you're not going to hold it against game that he's

1138
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 18: having a look at opportunities. You know, he's earned that right.

1139
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 18: So as I said, you know, there's not going to

1140
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 18: be one rule that can't work that way. And ultimately

1141
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 18: we saw want to win games of crickets for the

1142
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 18: black Caps and for New Zealand and play great cricket

1143
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 18: and represent the country. Well, so we want to pick

1144
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 18: you know, players are going to do that.

1145
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 7: Rob.

1146
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: Now, how are you going to feel because that is

1147
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 3: one of an accent you've got there and it escapes

1148
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 3: nobody where you're from. How are you going to feel

1149
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: about going up against you know, your homeland.

1150
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 18: I mean to be fair, you know, I've spent nine

1151
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 18: years in New Zealand. Although maybe my accent doesn't quite

1152
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 18: told the story, but no, I mean for me, as

1153
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 18: I said, you know, I was very privileged to you

1154
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 18: have coach South Africa and again to get to this job.

1155
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 18: You know, I'm coached to side that I'm fortunate enough

1156
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 18: to have called home across you know, my life. So

1157
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 18: first year you're not going to.

1158
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: Feel a little bit. You're not going to feel a

1159
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 3: bit bitter sweet about it.

1160
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 18: No, not at all. I mean, at the end of

1161
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 18: the day, i'd certainly Shukri is another coach, is a

1162
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 18: red bull coach and all fought all formats. I'd love

1163
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 18: to get bragging right over him and we get on

1164
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 18: really well. But it'd be nice to walk away that.

1165
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: You know, you know you're going to get a hard time. Mate,

1166
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: We're going to give you a hard time because because

1167
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 3: you've got that accent.

1168
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 18: I've had it, I've had it, and I understand probably

1169
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 18: continue to get it.

1170
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: That's okay.

1171
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 18: I don't necessarily worry about the authorities that as.

1172
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 3: Long as you're prepared for Rob, go well, and I

1173
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: hope you have many successes because we'll all enjoy it

1174
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 3: very much. Rob Walter, the black Caps coach, is coming

1175
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 3: up nineteen away from six.

1176
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Turdle with New Zealand Soubody's International Realty

1177
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: find you're one of the kind.

1178
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 14: It'll be a.

1179
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 4: Mo jum study final on Friday that Jocko.

1180
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: In SACA smash you away into.

1181
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: A first roll on Garl Final.

1182
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 8: Patience will a chance to win it?

1183
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: Final seconds not fouls to do Haliburton looking Halliburton.

1184
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: Driving puss up jump shot.

1185
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 3: That's good. Quit three tons of a second remaining time out.

1186
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 4: Okay, see Tyrense Halliburton does it again.

1187
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: Hay on the huddle with us this evening. The sports

1188
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: title Matt Brown, Boss of Communications at Oceania Football, and

1189
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: Andrew Gordy, sports commentator, Hello you too right now? R

1190
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: Andrew Gordy, do you want to say gooday to him?

1191
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:01,959
Speaker 3: Or did you ready?

1192
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: I see the man Before we go any further though,

1193
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: I said, we need to offer a hardy congratulations you

1194
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 2: are on your award last night and give a sports panel.

1195
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: I feel like we need to offer sort of some

1196
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: sporting punditary analysis off your award and your impact across

1197
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: the season. I mean, I don't know about you, but

1198
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: when I see when I see Doopussy Allen on the

1199
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: team sheet, it just it brings a whole other level

1200
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: to the game. No impact, right, from the park and everything.

1201
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: You know, do you know what I do? You absolutely And.

1202
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: Can I just say this very quickly, I am never

1203
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: even going to be horrible to any of those sports

1204
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: players for when they you know, when they win something

1205
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 3: and they come and give the world's most boring speech.

1206
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: Because I said earlier, I said what I would have

1207
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: said if I was there, and somebody text me and

1208
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: was like, it was a good thing you weren't there.

1209
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: That was really boring And it's really hard to put

1210
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: together a good speech, isn't it.

1211
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: Well apparrently, Lord did a great job.

1212
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 5: And loot the ratings always spoke Andrew at around about

1213
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 5: five forty on a Friday.

1214
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: Anyway to do with that, of course, nothing to do.

1215
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: That's when we bring in our impact players, which is

1216
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 3: what you guys are, Matt just running the pie man.

1217
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: I've got to say I feel sorry for Rob that

1218
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: he's got that accent, because there is nothing more that

1219
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 3: we like doing than being really mean to foreigners. And

1220
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: the minute that he does something, we don't because we're

1221
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: mean to Gary. But we're going to be very mean

1222
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: to Rob, aren't we?

1223
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: So sure?

1224
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 5: I think I think as a rugby player it was

1225
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 5: a rug if somebody had a South African coach in

1226
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 5: the your blacks, definitely, I think. But for cricket no,

1227
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 5: I mean think of Grand Elliott the South African accent

1228
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 5: winning that World Cup semi final.

1229
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 2: That incredible. But he wasn't the greatest match in New Zealand.

1230
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't a coach. But we've had a lot

1231
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 5: of South African influence in the New Zealand side over

1232
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 5: the years. Get one stage the first Vola Ellen Donald

1233
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 5: was an assistant coach. So yeah, look, I think good

1234
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 5: luck to him. He's got a good record, very good record,

1235
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 5: both domestically here and obviously with what the protein is

1236
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 5: and getting to that last one.

1237
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 3: Remember you remember what I'm saying now, and the first

1238
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: time that he does something that you know, because we

1239
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: called for Gary's head at least about seven times, and

1240
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 3: the first time that we call for his head, it's

1241
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 3: going to that's going to come up? Is not any

1242
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: mane key we I bet you, Gordy. Do you think

1243
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: that the truth about why they wouldn't give why they

1244
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't give Gary the one you know, the red bull

1245
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: and somebody else the white ball and the other formats

1246
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: and whatnot, is because we simply don't have enough players

1247
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: to split between two or three coaches. Is that the truth.

1248
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's enough players, but I just

1249
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: I think it's the right call to keep one coach

1250
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: across three formats. I don't think that's a that's not

1251
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: a blanket view that I have. But when you have

1252
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: a certain number of players who compete across all three formats,

1253
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: if you had completely different sets of players for white

1254
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: ball and red ball, I think it would it would work.

1255
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: It would suit having two coaches, but not when there's

1256
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: that crossover, because then if you have two coaches, you

1257
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: have too completely sets the different sort of expectations, ways

1258
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: of running the team, completely different cultures. So I think

1259
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: it's the right call, and I think the Jelling Cricket

1260
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: has made the right call by giving it to Rob.

1261
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: No no Offen's to Bondie. But I think Rob has

1262
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: great experience both within US ger on domestic cricket and

1263
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: international cricket as a head coach. So I like the call.

1264
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah you agree with that?

1265
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: That absolutely?

1266
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't agree more with So really what Andrew

1267
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 5: just said there, I think, look, he's residing Hawks Bay.

1268
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 5: Best part of the country as well. So yes, and

1269
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 5: all serious to say, Yeah, I think it is a

1270
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 5: student move and I'm not sure we do have that

1271
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: much depth. The depth really at the top level. Two

1272
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 5: have you know, three different sets of players. I mean

1273
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 5: there is going to be crossover.

1274
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: There always will be here.

1275
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 5: Some of the best players will be able to play

1276
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 5: multiple forms of the game.

1277
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: All right, guys, take a break, come back to you

1278
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 3: very shortly.

1279
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: Quarter two the Friday Sports title with New Zealand South

1280
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: Ofby's International reality, the ones with local and global reach.

1281
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the sports hititle Andrew Gordy and

1282
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: Matt Brown. Gordy listen. Pretty much everybody who matters reckons

1283
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: that the playoffs format for the Super Rugby is ridiculous.

1284
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 3: What do you think.

1285
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: I think you're a loser if you like having a

1286
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: lucky loser in the Super Rugby playoffs is what I

1287
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: think it. It just stinks, doesn't know. I'm firmly of

1288
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: the belief that when you get to the quarterfinals, in

1289
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: the semi finals, they should be knockout, and so the

1290
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: idea that you can lose a quarter final and still

1291
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: advance to the next round just thinks to me and

1292
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: I especially hate that the Brumbies Hurricanes game is the

1293
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 2: last game of the rounds. It would make more sense

1294
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: if that was, say, the first game of the rounds,

1295
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Speaker 2: because then they're waiting to sort of learn their fate.

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Speaker 2: The reality is that both of those teams are likely,

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: based on the book is odds to know their fate

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00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: by the time they go into that game at nine

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Speaker 2: to thirty five on Saturday.

1300
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, it adds a bit of jeopardy to it. Elliott Smith, So, Matt,

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00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: what Elliot Smith says should happen is that you rest

1302
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 3: the two top teams, which would be the Blues and

1303
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: the Crusaders, right, and then you let the other four

1304
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: do sudden death, and then two get to advance and

1305
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: play the two top teams and then.

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00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 5: Well that's what Yeah, that's what I've in the A League.

1307
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 5: You had that, although that was a two legged semi final.

1308
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 5: Is a difference in the football scenario.

1309
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's either one.

1310
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 5: It's either you know, three plays what three plays six?

1311
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 5: Four places five and then the two teams under a

1312
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 5: sixteen finals format of you'll move away from straight quarterfinals.

1313
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 5: Last week I was completely confused because I was actually

1314
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 5: watching right than my dad, and we were working out

1315
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 5: the permitations and that's actually what I thought happened. So

1316
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 5: there you go. I was completely wrong. And then I

1317
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 5: was driving somewhere and hearing that format and thinking, oh

1318
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 5: my goodness, this is just so wrong on so many counts.

1319
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Speaker 5: I mean the fact that the Hurricanes and Brumbis, both

1320
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 5: of them could well get a second life.

1321
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 3: Hey, listen to what do you guys think? What else?

1322
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: Start with you? What do you think about the netball huddle?

1323
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 3: Is that lame?

1324
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: It's really lame and it's just outdated. I think it's

1325
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: unrealistic in the in the professional era to expect players

1326
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: to continue to do that. Having said that, I think

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01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: the game of netball's got much better problems on hands

1328
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: than whether both teams should come together in a huddle

1329
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: at full time, you know what I mean.

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01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point, isn't it. But we can

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01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: start with the lame thing, can't we met?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I mean teams that you know you're playing hard out

1335
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 5: on the quart I mean when you Zealand in Australia players,

1336
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 5: the silver fans, I mean it always, It's always occurred

1337
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 5: to me as being this nicey niciness at the end

1338
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 5: of the game. Come on, you're hard enough, hard.

1339
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: And up you want you want to prop a scrap

1340
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: a you're going to scrap. You don't want to stand

1341
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: there with the arms around your sweaty mate? Do you play?

1342
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 3: Who wants to get your your mate sweet all over

1343
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: your arm pits?

1344
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: Now?

1345
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 3: I reckon, I reckon, Gordy that Liam Lawson has, you know,

1346
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: is entitled to feel a little bit pipped because these

1347
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: guys are giving Yuki some time and support, but he

1348
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: never had that.

1349
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I understand what you're saying, so long as

1350
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: you actually believe what rear Ball is saying to him.

1351
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: Why should we believe anything that comes out of the

1352
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: mouth of these Red Bull bosses. Because it was absolute

1353
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: lip service when it came to Liam Lawson. What's to

1354
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: say it's not complete and out of lip service when

1355
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: it comes to Yuki Sonoda as well. Now do I

1356
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: actually believe that?

1357
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 6: No?

1358
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: I don't. I think they will give them the time

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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: and support that he apparently needs, because I think there's

1360
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 2: strong forces at play when it comes to deciding which

1361
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: drivers fill which seats at which manufacturer. But yeah, I

1362
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: would feel a bit aggrieved by as Liam Lawson. But

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily be taking everything he is. Bosses say

1364
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 2: as absolutey, maybe wait and see what happens their point.

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Speaker 3: By the way, apparently it's the Chief's Crusaders, not the

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01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: Blues Crusaders.

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01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: No, Chief, it's not is the Chiefs Blues?

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01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 19: Inn it?

1369
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: He's still confused.

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01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not who's

1371
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 3: playing each other? I said, who the top two teams are.

1372
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Speaker 3: It's not the Blues and the Crusaders, the Chiefs and

1373
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 3: the Crusaders.

1374
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,439
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, them both a week off.

1375
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: No one should listen to me about Super Rugby. I

1376
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: don't watch it like famously in my world. Matt, listen,

1377
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: can you weigh on on something for me? Because you

1378
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 3: are a media boss, aren't You're a media boss, aren't you?

1379
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: Sort of?

1380
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is two hundred and fifty eight thousand

1381
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 3: dollars for the media boss of the Ministry of Disabled People.

1382
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 3: A little bit on the march side.

1383
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: I'm in the wrong job.

1384
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 5: I'm definitely in the wrong job if it is, yeah, exactly,

1385
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 5: I mean I would have thought.

1386
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Speaker 3: So what do they do anyway, Well, they just call

1387
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: for more ramps and iPads, don't they and then tell

1388
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: tell them, tell the National government off when they take

1389
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 3: stuff away from disabled people. I mean, it's that's the

1390
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 3: easiest job in the world, isn't it.

1391
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 5: I don't want to get my TV ready this weekend,

1392
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 5: but any.

1393
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: Okay, well anyway, listen, just go to seek and I'll

1394
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: send you the link in a minute. Guys, thank you

1395
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: very much, appreciate it. Matt Brown, boss of Comm's at Media,

1396
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 3: boss at Oceania Football. It's Andrew Gordy, sports commentator. Away

1397
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: from six, it's.

1398
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Speaker 1: The Heather Duplasy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my

1399
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: Art Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

1400
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Speaker 3: Hey, just a reminder, Halen Clark is going to be

1401
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: with us after six. It's five away from six. At

1402
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 3: the moment, Heather Stuff was saying that the outages were

1403
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: from human era. George, George, thank you. Yes. What has

1404
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: happened is it does appear that there are two separate

1405
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 3: causes today to the Internet outages. But I don't know

1406
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 3: if you've noticed this, but Internet and New Zealand never

1407
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 3: goes down just because one person chopped a line. Like,

1408
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: it's always got to be two weird things that happened

1409
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 3: at once, and so the one thing is that. Yes. Unfortunately,

1410
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 3: because you know how we are in New Zealand, none

1411
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: of us can possibly dig a hole without chopping the fiber,

1412
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: and that appears to be something happened. Corus said it

1413
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: was the result of human era during planned works which

1414
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: resulted in one of our core ethernet routers for the

1415
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 3: Wellington region being isolated from our network. Do you think

1416
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 3: being isolated from our network means someone cut through it? Fortunately,

1417
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: Chorus has tried to Chorus has tried to say that

1418
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: in such a such a weird way that we can't,

1419
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 3: but no, we do. Actually, most of us can speak

1420
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: quite reasonable levels of English, so we got what happened there, mate,

1421
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: And we've also been around long enough to see you

1422
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 3: cut through this stuff one too many times. But anyway, yes,

1423
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: so it was also the naval ship and you can

1424
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 3: google it if you want to. If you don't believe

1425
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: what I've said, just to verify it, just google it.

1426
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: Just google it and then you'll see that in fact

1427
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Speaker 3: I was correct as well. George. Thank you. Now, look

1428
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 3: on this business of Michael Forbes, Prime Minister's press secretary

1429
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 3: by day creep by night, it's becoming increasingly clear. I

1430
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 3: think that the police have ballsed up this investigation if

1431
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: you actually pay attention to the details here for a start,

1432
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: I think it's weird. And I'm starting to see a

1433
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: lot more people now saying exactly the same thing. That

1434
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: they didn't charge him for filming women through the windows

1435
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 3: because that clearly is unlawful. And if you listen to

1436
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 3: the prostitute's collective, it's a building, you can see it's

1437
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: an apartment building. There has to be some level of

1438
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 3: being able to recognize what that building is so they

1439
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: can go and trace the women and talk to the

1440
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: women and be like, how do you want to press charges?

1441
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: And it's repetitive behavior, right, so this is the kind

1442
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 3: of creepy stuff you want to stop. So I find

1443
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 3: it weird the cops didn't investigate. That's the first thing.

1444
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 3: The second thing is that he gave his government phone.

1445
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: If you believe the sex workers version of events, he

1446
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 3: gave his government phone and pin to a bunch of

1447
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 3: angry sex workers now so that they could go through it.

1448
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 3: That's a huge breach of security. Surely, if the police

1449
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 3: knew that, and they might have known that because the

1450
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 3: sex workers talked to them, they should have told somebody

1451
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 3: but also then the police seized his phone with a warrant,

1452
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: and surely at that point they should have been like,

1453
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 3: h hey, minister, just FYI, this thing is going on,

1454
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 3: or told his employer the Department of Internal whatever they called.

1455
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 3: What is it called? It's like late on a Friday,

1456
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 3: DIA Department of Internal. What is it, Laura? Are you

1457
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 3: paying attention? What's the DIA Department of Internal? Thank you? Affairs?

1458
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: What is wrong with me? I couldn't even come up

1459
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: with that word anyway. Talk to Thomas about it later.

1460
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: What's fuck? What's down?

1461
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 4: What with a major cause?

1462
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: And how will it affect the economy? The big business

1463
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and

1464
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: Ma's insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future,

1465
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: youth talk said be.

1466
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Speaker 3: Even in coming up to the next hour, Peter Lewis

1467
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 3: is going to talk us through that friendly phone call

1468
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: between she and Trump. Thomas Coglin will wrap the political

1469
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 3: week that was, and then Gavin Gray is with us

1470
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 3: out of the UK. It's eight past six now. A

1471
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 3: group of senior former politicians have come out against the

1472
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Speaker 3: government's foreign policy position. Don Brash, Jeffrey Palmer, Helen Clark

1473
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 3: and David Carter are among a group who've signed an

1474
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: open letter urging the Prime Minister to rethink what they

1475
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: call an adversarial stance towards China. Now for more, let's

1476
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 3: talk to Helen Clark. Hie, Helen, Hi have Helen, what

1477
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: is it that you are so worried about that you

1478
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 3: guys have felt the need to take out full page

1479
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: ads and a bunch of newspapers.

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01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 9: New Zealand's had a very carefully balanced foreign policy and

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 9: fully independent. So we have a major trade partner in

1482
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 9: China with the US. We have a partner in values,

1483
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 9: democratic systems, and also significant trade. But what we've seen

1484
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 9: is this steady drift towards signing more and more military

1485
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 9: agreements with the US, and clearly agreements that are aimed

1486
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 9: at China, our major trade partner. Now this could be

1487
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 9: extremely costly to New Zealand. Firstly because countries that the

1488
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 9: US perceives of as quote allies, which we haven't formerly

1489
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 9: been for quite a long time, are being asked to

1490
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 9: spend huge amounts of.

1491
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 16: Money on the fence.

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01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 9: And secondly, if China decided to retaliate in some way,

1493
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 9: then our trade is endangered.

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 16: So there's quite risky.

1495
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: Territory here, not even to mention the fact that the

1496
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 3: US is unreliable. Right, They'll be with us until it suits,

1497
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: and they'll leave us sitting there.

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01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: This is exactly the point.

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Speaker 9: So you could be making, you know, all sorts of

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 9: statements in line with the rhetoric today and then you

1501
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 9: wake up, as we did this morning, to find that

1502
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 9: President She and President Trump have had a very friendly conversation.

1503
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 9: Now I'm troubled. I've had a friendly conversation. It's been

1504
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 9: it's been needed. But you don't know what dime it's

1505
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 9: going to turn on today.

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01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but now, what are you worried about? I mean

1507
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 3: that you guys are acting as if you are genuinely

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Speaker 3: very concerned about something quite drastic happening.

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Speaker 5: What is that?

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01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 9: Well, the most drastic thing that could happen would be

1511
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 9: non tariff barriers starting to enter the trade with China. Yeah,

1512
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 9: and you know, I mean think back to Rainbow Warrior

1513
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 9: when the frozen lamb's brains rotted in the port.

1514
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 2: Are not suggesting that that considering any such things. But

1515
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: if New Zealand can continues to.

1516
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 9: Poke in the eye gratuitously sailing through the Taiwan Straits

1517
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 9: of the naval vessel, all the rhetoric about the threat,

1518
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 9: these series of new agreements that are being signed. I

1519
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 9: mean Chinese, you know they watch all this. I'm not

1520
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 9: saying we should be beholden to any one country. I'm saying,

1521
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 9: as the colleagues are saying, can we please get back

1522
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 9: that careful balance between our relationships now.

1523
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 3: The thing is the use of the word adversarial. Right,

1524
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 3: it reads as if you guys think that we are

1525
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 3: provoking China. But is it not the case that China

1526
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 3: is actually provoking us and is a threat to us.

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01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 9: No, I don't accept that it's a threat to us.

1528
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: Then how do we explain them sailing the warships down

1529
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: the Tasman Sea.

1530
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 9: Well, well, actually they have total freedom of navigation, and

1531
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 9: of course Zealand exercise freedom of navigation sailing through the

1532
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,440
Speaker 9: Taiwan Straits prior.

1533
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: To that, so there can be a bit of tit

1534
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: for tat and Well.

1535
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: That is an act of provocation, isn't it. I mean

1536
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 3: they're not just doing that for a little bit of

1537
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: a sight seeing exercise.

1538
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 9: But any more than New Zealand sailing through the Taiwan Strait.

1539
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: I think, you know, what goes around comes around. I

1540
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: think where they made a significant.

1541
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 9: Mistake Heather, was they should have advised they were going

1542
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 9: to do their firing exercises. Yea, and that remember that

1543
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 9: had some impact on aviation and so on.

1544
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 3: That was deliberate though, wasn't it.

1545
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,440
Speaker 9: Well, you know we should have we should have been advised.

1546
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,839
Speaker 9: Australians should have been advised, no question. So but these

1547
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 9: are the tensions that are coming into the relationship, and

1548
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,839
Speaker 9: as I say, that can play out in different ways,

1549
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 9: including with respect to non tariff barriers. For example, you know,

1550
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,520
Speaker 9: a wink and a nod from Beijing means that travelers

1551
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 9: don't come to New Zealand in great numbers and we've

1552
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 9: never got back to the pre pandemic levels.

1553
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 3: Now, listen, what do you make of Winston saying that

1554
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: the three of you are irrelevant, three of you being

1555
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 3: the former prime ministers and opposition leaders.

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01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 16: Obviously it's in interesting, isn't it.

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 9: When you make a point that's back with a number

1558
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 9: of factual statements about what we're concerned about, that their

1559
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 9: immediate response is to mount a personal attack. So I'm

1560
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 9: not going to descend to that level. No, he should

1561
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 9: address the substance of what we're saying, which is that

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 9: the government is intent on a radical realignment of New

1563
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 9: Zealand foreign policy, and that never took that to the electorate,

1564
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 9: and the electorate rightly really is focused on the cost

1565
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 9: of living and housing and a lot of other things.

1566
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 9: But meanwhile a realignment which carries some real risks in

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01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 9: New Zealand is underway.

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Speaker 3: Helen, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate

1569
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 3: your time, Helen Clark, Former Prime Minister Helene Alan Thomas

1570
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: Coglan's going to be a that's rap. The political week,

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01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 3: there was in just a minute road cone tapline two

1572
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty six complaints in the first four days. Hey,

1573
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 3: how's that two hundred and thirty six complaints. Now you

1574
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 3: might go, oh, well, you know, it could be Bush,

1575
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 3: it could be better. But those are two hundred and

1576
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: thirty six complaints that we didn't have last week. So

1577
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 3: now we've got two hundred and thirty six sits that

1578
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: we can start working on to get rid of those

1579
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 3: road cones. Auckland the greatest number of complaints. That should

1580
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: be no surprise to anyone at all. So Auckland Transport

1581
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 3: appears to have earned around about fifty complaints. Then Wellington

1582
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 3: City Council, which I'm going to say is punching. It's

1583
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 3: disproportionate for the population that's got about about thirty complaints.

1584
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 3: New Zealand Transport. So just so that you know what

1585
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: happens is that in the local roads are done by

1586
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 3: your local roading authority. So you know, Auckland Transport does

1587
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 3: Auckland Roads, Wellington Council does Wellington Roads, blah blah blah blah,

1588
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 3: and then New Zealand Transport does all the highways and

1589
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Right, New Zealand Transport actually not doing

1590
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 3: too badly given that they've got a lot of roads

1591
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 3: under their perfume. They are maybe like twenty seven to

1592
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 3: twenty eight. Christ Church City Council coming in around about

1593
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 3: mible say fifteen, Carpertee Council, New Plymouth Council and Western

1594
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 3: Bay of Plenty District Council. They are all in there

1595
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 3: around about slightly under teens. Then you've got Hat City Council,

1596
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: Dunedin Council, Hamilton City Council and Hay Hastings District Council.

1597
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, surprise to absolutely anyone at all in

1598
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 3: Auckland that it is the one most complained about so far. Now, Okay,

1599
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 3: while I'm very excited about this, I also want these

1600
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 3: guys now to follow up with. And then we turned

1601
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 3: up at that site and there were thirty thousand cones

1602
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: and we made them take them all away, and now

1603
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 3: they've only got five cones. That's what I want, a

1604
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 3: good news story out of the subwhere. But I'm sure

1605
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 3: that's that. You know, Chris Bishop has thought of that.

1606
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 3: Fourteen past six.

1607
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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1608
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEPPI.

1609
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 3: By the way, Helen Clark what she was just talking

1610
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 3: about that phone call between Trump and she were talking

1611
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 3: to Peter Lewis about that shortly, Heather. I've never been

1612
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 3: a fan of Helen, but she is absolutely right in

1613
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 3: my opinion. Seventeen past six. Now Thomas Coglan, political editor

1614
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 3: for The Herald, wrapping the political week that was. Welcome back, Thomas, Thomas,

1615
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm worrying about the polls.

1616
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 6: Man.

1617
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: You know that we've had two poles this week that

1618
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 3: have contradicted each other. But this is actually just the

1619
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 3: latest installment in quite a bit of a trend of this.

1620
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, gosh, the last time we had a really

1621
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 14: big contradiction I remember maybe there was one last year,

1622
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 14: but there was at that time the Nats had a

1623
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 14: had a, had a had They took a shue with

1624
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 14: the red research pole. Yes, so far away from their

1625
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 14: own internal polls, and Jerry Browney, who I think was

1626
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 14: their campaign chair at the time, he put out a

1627
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 14: present that the pole was rubbish. So we haven't quite

1628
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 14: got to that level of contradiction yet, but yes, they

1629
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 14: are right.

1630
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 3: I've noticed. I don't know if you've noticed this, but

1631
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 3: the Curier Pole swings quite a lot lately, which is

1632
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: which is pretty unusual, which was which the Taxpayer's Union

1633
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 3: Curier Pole. I find that it's got a lot of

1634
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 3: really big swings, and then it often seems to kind

1635
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 3: of be a bit of an outlier compared to some

1636
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 3: of the others. Do you know have you not.

1637
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 14: Noticed this that hasn't I'm sorry, I'm stumped.

1638
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 3: You Well, now you will now you've seen it.

1639
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 14: No, I think it's out next week, so I'll wait

1640
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 14: with breath to see what it's some what it is.

1641
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 3: I just I feel like, look, maybe and maybe it

1642
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 3: doesn't matter so much because of where we are in

1643
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 3: the political cycle. But I feel as if we are

1644
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 3: starting to choose which poles we believe yes.

1645
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 14: And that would be that would be damaging because you know,

1646
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 14: I generally think M M P the pollings. It's pretty

1647
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 14: easy to poll an MP. You know, you just need

1648
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,919
Speaker 14: a thousand numbers and ask people for which party that support.

1649
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 14: I mean, at least at least I suppose with these

1650
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 14: poles you get a picture that it's tight. You see

1651
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 14: that acts under a bit of pressure. The NETS have

1652
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 14: lost a few points. Labor's the big puzzler down down

1653
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 14: in the TV and z'd poll but up on the

1654
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 14: Irons'd read pole. So that's I think that's that's the

1655
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 14: one that everyone scratching their heads over. And you know,

1656
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 14: you can you can argue, you can argue that both ways. Right,

1657
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 14: if labor's down, you think, oh, you know, the NETS

1658
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 14: have made a pretty good case for physical responsibility, So

1659
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 14: maybe voters are saying goodbye or or on the on

1660
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 14: the Irons, i'd read side of thing as well, that

1661
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 14: you know, tough economic times, people aren't feeling that great.

1662
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 14: Let's give labor a go. You know, it's very hard.

1663
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 14: We need a few more poles, I guess to see

1664
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 14: ye see where it goes? Read sorry, a curier, the

1665
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 14: Taxpayers Union Curier, which will be out next week. I

1666
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 14: feel like that might be a wee bit of a tiebreaker.

1667
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 14: And the PM says that their Curier internal poles or

1668
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 14: has hinted that the Curia and Turnal poles are a

1669
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 14: bit more similar to the TV and zid pole. But

1670
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 14: if the Curier pole sides with the TV and ZID pole,

1671
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 14: I would I would would I would put good odds

1672
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 14: on a Talbert Mills pole, which apparently sides a bit

1673
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 14: closer with the red pole getting leaked.

1674
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 3: Tool always always it's after a Curier pole. There's always

1675
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 3: a leak of a Talbot Mills, isn't there. Hey, Now,

1676
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 3: Michael Forbes this there is a lot going on in

1677
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: the story. But I'm starting to I'm starting to feel,

1678
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 3: and I said this earlier, I'm starting to feel as

1679
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 3: if it's a clear case of a ball's up by

1680
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 3: the police by the police here, because number one, I

1681
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 3: feel like they haven't properly explained why they didn't charge

1682
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 3: him for filming people through the window, but also as

1683
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 3: well as that, how on earth did they seize two

1684
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 3: of his phones, one of which was a government phone

1685
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 3: and not alert the minister.

1686
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean this is when you think about the

1687
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 14: level of the low level of stuff that gets a

1688
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 14: loose to a minister, you know, with the no surprises rule.

1689
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 14: Think about Winston Peter's pension over payment. Yeah, I think

1690
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 14: that the kitty Allen when she had a car crash.

1691
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 14: I believe that got no surprise up the chain as well.

1692
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 14: You know, basic stuff. Basic stuff goes to the minister

1693
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 14: if it's if it's political. This clearly was political and

1694
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 14: it seems like a pretty I mean, the new the

1695
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 14: new Commissioner of Richard Chambers said it is ultimately a

1696
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 14: decision for the Commissioner to decide what gets no surprised

1697
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 14: up to the beehive.

1698
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 3: Yes, but Thomas, I mean, not only is it political,

1699
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 3: but he handed over his government phone and his pin

1700
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 3: to a bunch of angry sex workers and surely there

1701
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 3: is an actual risk there.

1702
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1703
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 14: Well yes, And that is the other angle I think

1704
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 14: that's being pursued by the agencies is they're you know,

1705
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 14: very clearly this this this situation raises some pretty cool.

1706
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: And surely that should like when the when the when

1707
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 3: the hookers go to the police and they say, look,

1708
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 3: we looked at his photos and stuff. Surely the cops

1709
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 3: at that stage have to realize, oh, geez may have

1710
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 3: had a security breach. Should we tell somebody?

1711
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I think yes, And I think that that

1712
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 14: is precisely with the IA investigations are looking at. Because

1713
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 14: there's the issue here is you've got one agency, the police,

1714
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 14: which which must be aware through this investigation that's something

1715
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 14: you know, problematic is happening. But they're not talking to

1716
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 14: the other parts of the government like the de i A,

1717
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 14: who would be Michael Forbes's employer. They are the ones

1718
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 14: who staffed the Mini Serial Services or the s I

1719
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 14: S who are responsible for, you know, maintaining people's security clearances.

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Speaker 14: Clearly the police know something that both of those agencies

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Speaker 14: need to know in terms of maintaining the security clearance

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Speaker 14: and didn't tell them.

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Speaker 3: Listen quickly, what happened to Chris Bishop? Because he's not

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Speaker 3: normally this well is he does he normally mouth off

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Speaker 3: like this?

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Speaker 14: No, it's this is a very funny story. I think

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Speaker 14: because Chris Bishop loves New Zealand music and the love

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Speaker 14: is very one way. You know, the music industry is

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Speaker 14: the music industry is a sort of left wing. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: it just is, you know. And and so the love

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Speaker 14: is not it doesn't, it doesn't. It's not it's not reciprocated.

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Speaker 14: It's unrequited. And he does he usually holds his tongue,

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Speaker 14: but for whatever reason, he expressed an opinion that I mean,

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Speaker 14: it's having an opinion on music. It's fine, you know,

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Speaker 14: and I think you can absolutely have have the opinion

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Speaker 14: he had of what he saw. That that that is

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Speaker 14: clearly not you know.

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Speaker 3: He didn't love it. He didn't love it, but.

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Speaker 14: You know, you you generally hold your tongue when you're

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Speaker 14: in a sitting like that, so I do not know

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Speaker 14: what he was thinking. He did, however, go to Fur Patrol,

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Speaker 14: a faur patrol gig a couple of days later, and

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Speaker 14: apparently nothing happened.

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Speaker 8: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how that man has

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Speaker 3: time to go to Fur patrol. He's got two very

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Speaker 3: small children and he's very busy. Thomas, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: The Herald's political edits are wrapping the political week there

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Speaker 3: was do you remember earlier this week? I told you

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Speaker 3: about that delivery driver, or maybe last week about the

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Speaker 3: delivery driver in Wellington update stand by six twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicylan

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01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: with the business hour mares, insurance and investments through your wealth,

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Speaker 1: protect your future news talksa'd be hither.

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Speaker 3: I think as long as people the caliber of Helen

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01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 3: are still out there looking after our interests, we will

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Speaker 3: be Okay, yep, I agree. I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: have this conversation at the very least six twenty six. Now,

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01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 3: do you remember last Friday I told you about the

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Speaker 3: food delivery thing that happened in Wellington where the guy

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Speaker 3: the guy ordered some food, had the delivery guy come

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Speaker 3: up to his door and he busted the guy with

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Speaker 3: the camera above the door, eating the food out of

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Speaker 3: the bag. Do you remember that? And do you remember

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Speaker 3: I said to you I saw it on Facebook earlier

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Speaker 3: and I hope I said this to you, this has

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Speaker 3: actually happened. I saw it on Facebook earlier and I

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Speaker 3: wasn't sure it was true, but then it popped up

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Speaker 3: on stuff. Well guess what, It's not true. It was fake.

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Speaker 3: So what happened is this guy? What It turns out

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Speaker 3: Stuff published the story to interviewed. The chap ran the story.

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Speaker 3: It was up all weekend and they whipped it down

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Speaker 3: because they obviously realized. I don't know how they realized

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Speaker 3: it wasn't true, but they did realize it wasn't true.

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Speaker 3: Turns out that the guy who did it Leon had

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Speaker 3: said he's posted a online message and he said he

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Speaker 3: did it as part of a school project to create

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Speaker 3: a fake viral video. Now look, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: have a cracket stuff about this because the thing about

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Speaker 3: it is modern journalism is fast, right, and they saw

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Speaker 3: an interesting video. They would have had suspicions like I did,

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Speaker 3: because who has a camera like that above their door?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: That's pretty weird in the first place anyway. And then

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Speaker 3: the guy also said in it, it's my first time

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Speaker 3: using uber type apps, and come on, like, what young

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Speaker 3: person hasn't used uber eats by now? Right, So that

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01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 3: was all bit suspicious, but they did due diligence. They

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Speaker 3: interviewed him. He corroborated what was in the video. What

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Speaker 3: else can you do? But it just goes to show,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it. It just goes to show how easy it

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Speaker 3: is to slip misinformation into the media nowadaysn't quite how

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Speaker 3: you get around it. I have no idea, but you

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01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 3: just have to be aware when you're reading it. Like

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Speaker 3: you and I, we've got to be a little bit

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Speaker 3: more suspicious than we are.

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Speaker 1: Headlines next, whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Allen

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Speaker 1: and Mars, insurance and investments. Grow your wealth, protect your

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Speaker 1: futurease talk sits its life forever.

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Speaker 3: So you forget well, you will have seen the news

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Speaker 3: by now that it doesn't well, it's hard to see

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Speaker 3: that the investigators in Portugal have found anything to do

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Speaker 3: with the madel mccainn investigation. But we will go to

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Speaker 3: Gavin Graye just get get the latest from him when

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Speaker 3: he's with us. In ten minutes time, the Maori Party

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Speaker 3: have announced that because of course you know, yesterday got

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Speaker 3: the twenty one day suspension for the co leaders in

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Speaker 3: seven days for Hannah, they're going on tour. They've decided

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Speaker 3: to take the break go on tour. The party president

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Speaker 3: John Tamerhead, he says, what we've got to do is

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01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 3: just get out on our streets in all our par

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Speaker 3: up and down the country, activate organize and that's where

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Speaker 3: we're going now. So you know, trust them to milk

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Speaker 3: the situation as you absolutely would expect. Twenty three away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 1: Here the duper c l.

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Speaker 3: Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent with US Now. Hy Peter, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 3: So what do you take from this phone call?

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Speaker 17: Well, if you listen to Donald Trump, he says it

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Speaker 17: was very good. He says we're in very good shape

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Speaker 17: with China and the trade deal. He says China's invited

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Speaker 17: him to Beijing, which is accepted, and that was reported

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Speaker 17: and confirmed by China. What wasn't reported confirmed by China

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Speaker 17: was that Trump was also saying President, She's going to

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Speaker 17: go to Washington. So it remains to be seen if

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Speaker 17: that happens. The thing is, though, when you look through

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Speaker 17: this as you as you tend to do, when when

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Speaker 17: you've examined more closely some of the stuff that Trump says,

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01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 17: nothing has really changed. There hasn't been a deal of

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Speaker 17: any sort. All that's happened is that the US President

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Speaker 17: has said that high level talks are going to begin.

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Speaker 17: So there'll be the US Treasury Secretary there, the Commerce secretary,

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Speaker 17: the trade representative, and you have to bear in mind

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Speaker 17: that the Chinese team is led by Vice Premier Hurly Thing,

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Speaker 17: and he has a clear mandate from President She not

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Speaker 17: catering to American's demands at all without getting concessions in return.

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Speaker 17: And they're not going to give a single thing away

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Speaker 17: unless they get something offered by Trump first. And that's

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Speaker 17: how it went in Switzerland. You remember a few few

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01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 17: weeks ago, China gave up absolutely nothing. Trump sort of

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01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 17: rolled back his tariffs. China match that, but didn't offer

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Speaker 17: anything else. And it's exactly the same here. You know,

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Speaker 17: there's no concessions at all, for example, on these contentious

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Speaker 17: issues of rare earth mineral exports, which is a big

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Speaker 17: sticking point and is doing a lot of damage to

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Speaker 17: American industry, the fact that they can't get hold of

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Speaker 17: these rare earths at the moments, which are essential for semiconductors,

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Speaker 17: all sorts of appliances for defense. No concessions there at all.

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Speaker 17: And if you look at the the official news agency

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Speaker 17: Generile News Agency's account of the meeting, that struck a

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Speaker 17: far less conciliatory tone in its account of a call

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Speaker 17: than Trump did. So you know that there seems all

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Speaker 17: that's happened is that we're at the beginning of a

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Speaker 17: process to try and see if the two sides can

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Speaker 17: come to some sort of agreement. But I think we're

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Speaker 17: a long way from saying that they have agreed to anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, China reasons that the phone call came about because

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Speaker 3: Trump asked for it, and that seems again to indicate

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Speaker 3: that China's got the upper hand here.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think so. I think you know, the US

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Speaker 17: has really underestimated China here. They've underestimated their willingness to

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Speaker 17: hold out and not be bullied by these tariffs. They've

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Speaker 17: also completely underestimated China's strong card here, which is the

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Speaker 17: fact that it controls global production in these rare they're

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Speaker 17: so critical and I don't think Trump anticipated that China

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Speaker 17: would hold them, and it's going to carry on with

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Speaker 17: holding them until the US is prepared to remove its

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Speaker 17: restrictions on things like exports in the video chips ai,

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Speaker 17: software and hardware and all sorts of other things, you know,

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Speaker 17: having Chinese companies on these restricted lists, and the China's

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Speaker 17: not going to give up its control over rare earths

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Speaker 17: until the US does something first in those areas, and

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Speaker 17: that may be difficult because sort of putting China on

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Speaker 17: these entity lists spanning exports to China is about the

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Speaker 17: only thing that the Republicans and the Democrats can agree

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Speaker 17: on in Congress, so it may be very very difficult

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Speaker 17: to remove them.

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Speaker 3: Quiet this business with South Korea. Do you reckon now

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Speaker 3: that they've got a new president they can put all

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Speaker 3: that turmoil behind them. Is it over?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 17: Definitely not over. I mean the career has an advantage

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Speaker 17: or the new president Lee has an advantage in his

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01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 17: party controls Parliament and he's the president, so that should

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01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 17: in theory make it easier to get policies through. However,

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Speaker 17: he faces some really really big challenges, not least the

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Speaker 17: fact that career is very very divided politically. It's divided

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Speaker 17: between young and old. It's divided between young men and

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Speaker 17: young women. So it's going to take a lot of

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01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 17: successful policies to really bridge that divide. And it's got

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01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 17: a huge problem on its economy. If there's one economy

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Speaker 17: in the world that depends on international trade, it's self Career.

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01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 17: And if there's one economy in the world that's been

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01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 17: damaged more than anyone else by these tariffs, it'sself career.

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Speaker 17: You have to bear in mind that eighty seven percent

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Speaker 17: of Career's economy is international trade. If the US imposes

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01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 17: these twenty five percent tariffs that it's threatening to do,

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Speaker 17: it will plunge the economy into recession. Exports to the

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Speaker 17: US alone are about six to eight percent of GDP,

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Speaker 17: so the economy, which already contracted in the first quarter,

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01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 17: will slip into recession. So President Lee has got a

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01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 17: really big task on his hands to try and deal

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01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 17: with these tariffs. And you've also got Donald Trump threatening

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01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 17: to throw in the security issues as well. He wants

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01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 17: career to pay more for its defense, and this is

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01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 17: going to be also very difficult for Career. They're going

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01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 17: to need an awful amount of stimulus to try and

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Speaker 17: offset the damage that's being done by to the economy

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Speaker 17: and also to pay for, you know, the more for

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Speaker 17: its own defense that the US claims it's in effect

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Speaker 17: paying for.

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Speaker 3: Peter, thank you for your tom We'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: again next week. You look after yourself. That's Peter Lewis

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Speaker 3: out Asia Business correspondent, seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Hither do for c Allen.

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Speaker 3: I have done something very bad and I actually feel

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Speaker 3: really bad. About this. I said that the Ministry for

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Speaker 3: Disabled People didn't email me, but they actually did. I

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Speaker 3: just didn't check my emails. This is why I will

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01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 3: never get the job as the comms person. I'm so sorry. However, however,

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01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 3: I feel bad. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.

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01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 3: I'm doing this so they don't take me to the

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Speaker 3: BSA because that would be quite quite a situation, wouldn't

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Speaker 3: I just get an award in the next minute. I'm

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Speaker 3: getting bsa'd again, Lord and again. Yes, anyway, Heather, I

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01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 3: can confirm that the salary band you have below is

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01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 3: correct for the position. So yes, oh wait, it was

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Speaker 3: going to be whoever gets that job and congratulations in

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Speaker 3: advance is going to get two hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year up to You can also find

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Speaker 3: a statement below if you need one. Jenny, Deputy Chief

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Speaker 3: Executive Strategy and Enablement. Are you telling me that she's

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Speaker 3: the deputy chief executive that only deals with strategy and

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Speaker 3: is there a chief executive of strategy and enablement and

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Speaker 3: then she's the deputy chief executive's strategy and enablement or

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Speaker 3: is she just the chief deputy chief executive who specifically

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Speaker 3: do you know what? I don't know. Whatever, there's just

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Speaker 3: a lot. It feels like a lot of people doing

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Speaker 3: a lot of nothing there communicating with what band is

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Speaker 3: she on? Oh? I mean she'd have to be. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if the person doing just the head of Colms is

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Speaker 3: on to fifty eight, then Jinny, Deputy Chief Executive Strategy

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Speaker 3: and Enablement would be on at least five hundy, wouldn't she?

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Speaker 3: And the Chief executive Oh, geez, at least seven hundy,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't she? No, I don't know. I mean the Licet

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Speaker 3: Commissioner was on seven hondy well, and that might be

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Speaker 3: too high, But I don't know. I mean, because they

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be see, they wouldn't want to be

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Speaker 3: seen to be discriminating against the Ministry for Disabled People

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Speaker 3: by giving their chief executive not sufficient amounts of cash

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Speaker 3: to show how important it is. So I feel like

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Speaker 3: they would overinflate it so she could be on two million.

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Speaker 3: Who knows anyway? Communicating with both the disabled disability community

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Speaker 3: and the wide a public about are efforts to drive

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Speaker 3: real change of meaningful change for disabled people is an

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Speaker 3: important part of the world. At the Ministry of Disabled

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Speaker 3: People PHI Kaha. Our pay bands are aligned with that

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Speaker 3: of a wider public service, with an external job evaluation

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Speaker 3: methodology used to ensure the size of the roles are appropriate.

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Speaker 3: During the hiring process, Starting salaries are set by considering

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Speaker 3: several factors including background and experience. Whatever, it's way too

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Speaker 3: much money, It's an easy job.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen and Mayors, Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your Future, The Use Talks, v.

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Speaker 3: It's twelve away from seven and Gavin Gray UK correspondence

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Speaker 3: with us.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Gavin, Hi there the award winning congratulations.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Tell me

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Speaker 3: do you know if these investigators have found anything read

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Speaker 3: the medal and mccan search.

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Speaker 4: No, but they do finish seemingly a day early. And

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Speaker 4: it is a team of German and Portuguese officers who

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Speaker 4: have been on the site to try and find any

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Speaker 4: clues to do with Madeline McCann, the three year old

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Speaker 4: British girl who went missing eighteen years ago from the

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Speaker 4: Algarve in Portugal near Prior Deluge. They've been looking at

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Speaker 4: an area between where she disappeared and where a German

1980
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Speaker 4: National called Christian Bruckner was living at the time. Now

1981
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Speaker 4: he's currently in prison on completely different charges and has

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Speaker 4: always denied any involvement in Maddie's disappearance. They've been using

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Speaker 4: a digger. They were really centering, it would appear their

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Speaker 4: investigations using ground penetrating radar around one particular derelic building

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Speaker 4: and at the end they were seen shaking hands and

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Speaker 4: embracing as the search drew to a close. They also

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Speaker 4: appeared to have a sort of debrief in a circle

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Speaker 4: and then there was a round of applause. But as

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Speaker 4: yet we don't know what, if anything they found.

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Speaker 3: Oh very interesting, Hey, onto politics? Was that win for

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Speaker 3: Labor in Scotland a surprise?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it most certainly was so. Overnight we've learned here

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Speaker 4: that the Scottish National Party has been defeated in a

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Speaker 4: seat called Hamilton Larcoll and Stonehouse. It's a Scottish constituency obviously,

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Speaker 4: and was caused this by election by the death of

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Speaker 4: the Scottish National Party's MP there, Christina McKelvey, so it

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Speaker 4: was expected that the Scottish National Party would probably hold this.

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Speaker 4: Labor hasn't been very popular our party of government. There's

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Speaker 4: lots going wrong there, and yet Labor won this vote

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Speaker 4: quite significantly ahead of the Scottish National Party. I think

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Speaker 4: the other headline to do with this is who came third? Well,

2002
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Speaker 4: it wasn't the former government of the Conservatives. Their vote collapsed.

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Speaker 4: In fact, in the last five years it's gone from

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Speaker 4: eighteen percent down to six percent. Instead, who came third? Yep,

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Speaker 4: you guessed it. Nigel Farah's Reform UK further strengthening the

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Speaker 4: belief I think among some that they could actually become

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Speaker 4: the big opposition party here in the UK, or indeed

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Speaker 4: the big party of government.

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Speaker 3: Now, Gevin, what I mean. Weirder things have happened, and

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Speaker 3: I'm here for watching this play out, But listen, I

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Speaker 3: got to talk to you about bacteria. Does this surprise

2012
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Speaker 3: you at all to find out that when you come

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Speaker 3: into contact with bacteria, the first bacteria you come into

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Speaker 3: contact is newborn that that protects you.

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Speaker 4: It's very interesting, isn't it. They're calling it like the

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Speaker 4: human lick, because obviously when carbs give birth, when animals

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Speaker 4: give birth, they tend to lick their newborn baby. And

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Speaker 4: that is more than just maybe cleaning it up that

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Speaker 4: is more as well about transferring on particular microbes to

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Speaker 4: the youngster. And so research here in the UK at

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Speaker 4: the University College London and a medical institute investigated the

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Speaker 4: early stages of our bodies colonization by bacteria, fungi and more.

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Speaker 4: They collected samples of baby waste, as it were, from

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Speaker 4: one thousand newborns in the first week of life and

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Speaker 4: they do think that actually the very first bacteria that

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Speaker 4: our body meet when we're newborn, in the very first

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Speaker 4: hours after we're born, could protect us from dangerous infections.

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Speaker 4: And at the risk of drawing too many parallels, we've

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Speaker 4: also had another study saying that actually there wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: so many people with nut allergies, particularly peanut allergies, if

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Speaker 4: parents were a little bit more adventurous in the early

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Speaker 4: days and exposing youngsters to different things. Of course, I'm

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Speaker 4: not advocating people take my advice. I am not a doctor.

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Speaker 4: But these studies coming together suggested the first few days

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Speaker 4: of a newborn baby very very important in terms of

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Speaker 4: what they're exposed to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gevin, thank you, Gavin Grog. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 3: next week. Our UK correspondent. Don't feed the baby a

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Speaker 3: nut because ye all I should be hon is the

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Speaker 3: bootmilk or the formula at the stage. But hey, there

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Speaker 3: is some truth to this, right, because I was saying

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Speaker 3: to the midwife, baby number one, I bathed them all

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Speaker 3: the time, bathtom from the get go, every single nights,

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Speaker 3: right and then yeah, I mean, let's be honest about it.

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Speaker 3: What happened He got a bit of x men, didn't he?

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Speaker 3: Baby number two, I couldn't be fafft far too busy,

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Speaker 3: I said to the midwife, is a bad I only

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Speaker 3: give her a bath once a week when she was

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Speaker 3: a newborn, and then it was then it turned into

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Speaker 3: maybe like once every half a week, and now, of

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Speaker 3: course now that she's four and a half months, it's

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Speaker 3: every day. But at the start it was really odd.

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Speaker 3: I mean she was getting stinky, like she was getting

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Speaker 3: quite smelly. And the midwife said to me, no, this

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Speaker 3: is perfect. You want her to have your bacteria and

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Speaker 3: her bacteria, and you wanted to just like fester a

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Speaker 3: little grow those little bacterias because then later in life,

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Speaker 3: research says, well, not get XMA seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather tip. See Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by news Talk zebby.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what. We started the show talking to

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Height and frankly, I'm gonna go home and make

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Speaker 3: my husband listen to it because I need him to

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Speaker 3: get off the social media when he's around the children.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know how everybody is. Everybody's husband's like

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Speaker 3: this is yours like that? They just know. Yeah, they

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01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 3: sit on the phone pretending that they're paying attention and

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01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 3: they're not, and it's just so. But anyway, I started

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01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 3: the show talking about that. There was a text that

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Speaker 3: came through and I think it is and I've been

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Speaker 3: saving it up since foll twenty three. Heather, Let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: The problem of social media addiction isn't just for kids.

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Speaker 3: It's time for a serious conversation about how to help

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Speaker 3: adults beat the addiction. And Stuart and Wellington is bang on.

2075
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Speaker 3: If you feel that little how you know if you've

2076
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 3: got it is if you feel the urge to open

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Speaker 3: your phone for no reason, like if you're like, oh

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Speaker 3: I should check my phone, that's it. That is the

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Speaker 3: addiction right there. If you go hmm, oh, let's just

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Speaker 3: look at my phone, that's it. Stop it that resist resist, Resist, Resist,

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Speaker 3: in overtime. After a while, you won't care anymore. I

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01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 3: don't care anymore. By the way, Meghan Markle, remember how

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01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,719
Speaker 3: I told you she was doing that stupid twerking things

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01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 3: so lame anyway, This is from somebody who is lame.

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Speaker 3: Takes one to know one. She's a try hard, isn't

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Speaker 3: she anyway? So she did that stupid twerking thing with

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Speaker 3: the pregnancy thing. It's backfired badly because now everybody's got

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Speaker 3: conspiracy theories because everybody's looked at it and gone, I

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01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 3: have to be honest, some of the movements made that

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01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 3: bally look really weird and people have gone all its

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Speaker 3: a prosthetics. She wasn't really pregnant at all, and she

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Speaker 3: had a surrogate, so that didn't go how she wanted.

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Speaker 3: She just wanted to be all cute. See look look

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Speaker 3: at how hot I am a pregnant mam. Look at

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01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 3: how hot I am I can dance. But now everybody's like,

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01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 3: were you actually pregnant?

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Speaker 10: Though?

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Speaker 3: So there you go. Maybe don't do lame videos. Andy,

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Speaker 3: and he's with us because ant's got two boosts last night.

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Speaker 3: Well he planned that though I know he wasn't being

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Speaker 3: irresponsible he's drinking responsibly and taking the day off.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, so fair enough, but us hard work, no answers,

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Speaker 20: a hard worker actually, hither well done on your radio awards, man, fantastic,

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Speaker 20: you've got one too, congrats to thank you.

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Speaker 3: You've got what did you get?

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Speaker 17: Sports?

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Speaker 20: Best Sports Broadcast with Curtesy of Jason Pine. It's pretty

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Speaker 20: easy to win awards when Jason Pine is the.

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Speaker 3: Host of because he's so lovely, isn't he.

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Speaker 20: One of the great great guys. I really hope he's listening,

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Speaker 20: but anyway, I know he won't be. It's not the

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Speaker 20: day for humility anyway either. So I've got all I do.

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Speaker 20: It was one to lead us out.

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Speaker 3: This is the song.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it's a dreadful song, but it's well topic.

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Speaker 3: Girl for you, Thanks for you, Andy Enjoy, thank you hate,

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Speaker 3: thank you for listening. I really mean it. We'll see

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Speaker 3: you on Monday, and I say that.

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Speaker 6: No gun to do with Please please please, and if

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Speaker 6: you're going.

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Speaker 9: In, but.

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Speaker 7: Make complain

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Speaker 1: For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to

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Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.