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Speaker 2: Hello you great, you said, Welcome to Matta Tyler Full

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Speaker 2: Show Podcast number one eighty three. Fantastic show today. Boy

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Speaker 2: oh boy, was that a good show? And hey, look

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Speaker 2: I share h I share it early on to I

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Speaker 2: share the threat of violence I got yesterday first for

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Speaker 2: saying that I thought that people didn't love kids enough anymore.

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Speaker 3: Hell of an email. Yeah, hell of a response. Listen

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Speaker 3: out for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I met.

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Speaker 3: Also shares a story about a a port Individulina's kids

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Speaker 3: turning up to his house.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about that. We talked about that subject for

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Speaker 2: about a whole forty five minutes until I realized I'd

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Speaker 2: been a victim of the very thing we were talking about.

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Speaker 2: I totally forgot. It's great yarn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, show download, subscribe, give us a review,

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Speaker 1: But the big stories, the big issues, the big trends,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It is seven, pass one, get a met get a tyler,

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Speaker 3: get everyone. Thank you so much for tuning into our show.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward.

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Speaker 2: To three hours of exciting, stimulating talkback on eight hundred

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty and nine two nine two is the

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Speaker 2: text number. I got a message yesterday after I was

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Speaker 2: talking about my concerns that people are in society are

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Speaker 2: becoming intolerant of children. Yeah, and I was using an

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Speaker 2: example of how rude that tennis player was.

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Speaker 3: What was her name, Emmo Radikanu was about.

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Speaker 2: A kid making noise in the in the stadium, and

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Speaker 2: people made some good points that tennis is a place

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Speaker 2: that you probably shouldn't take kids to, all this kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. It was a great bust chat.

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Speaker 5: God.

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Speaker 2: The good news also is how passionate people get about

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Speaker 2: our radio show. Listen to this message. I got what

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Speaker 2: an iffing you read Your tennis comments today could have

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Speaker 2: been a million dollar shot. Nothing that you will ever

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Speaker 2: know about. What ifing tosso comparing it to kids in

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Speaker 2: a coffee shop or kids on a plane. Everyone in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand thinks you're a loser. I hope we meet

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Speaker 2: one day so I can punch your ifing lights out.

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Speaker 2: You iffing moron. Oh that's sweet, isn't it. How passionate

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Speaker 2: about a chat about about kids and tennis and kids

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Speaker 2: and coffee shops and kids on plates? What is the mindset?

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Speaker 2: And someone that listens to that hour.

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Speaker 3: You said, you know what, I'm gonna write a really

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Speaker 3: angry email to it.

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Speaker 2: It would be so funny if if that person did

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Speaker 2: see me and punched my iffing lights out over that issue.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, the police turn up and I'm

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Speaker 2: what did you hit him? Well, he said that people

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Speaker 2: should be more tolerant of kids crying on planes. So

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Speaker 2: I had to track him down and lights out. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for that, mate. I mean, let's hope people are

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Speaker 2: as passionate about our chats today, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm sure they will be. After three o'clock, let's

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Speaker 3: have a chat about book clubs. Clubs rather a lovely

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Speaker 3: story and the hero today about a book club that

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Speaker 3: The humble old book.

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Speaker 2: Club got to be careful because they hear book club

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Speaker 2: people are violent as well. Look, they seem great to me,

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Speaker 2: but I've got a few questions. I'm mean, allowed in

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Speaker 3: But I'm looking forward to people that are a part

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Speaker 2: The problem is it just didn't exist. Yeah. Look, I've

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Speaker 3: have a chat about teachers salary. So, as we know,

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Speaker 3: go on strike next Wednesday. But this morning, Police are

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Speaker 3: Public rather Service Minister Judith Collins told Mike Hosking that

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Speaker 2: A very very good salary.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you've taken into account twelve weeks, that's three

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Speaker 6: If you've got ten years experience with the normal allowances

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Speaker 6: fact that there's three months paid leave. Now who else

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Speaker 2: Politicians anyway, Yeah, they get paid pretty well. So when

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Speaker 2: I heard this, I thought, because my son and I

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Speaker 2: was talking to you about this before, Tyler Burn, but

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Speaker 2: my son was looking at becoming a teacher. Yep, he

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Speaker 2: said that's what he wanted to become. And I thought,

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Speaker 2: because my mum was a teacher, But teachers in my

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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty seven grand after ten years if

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Speaker 2: Yeah right now, let's go. So is Judith right here?

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Speaker 2: Because one hundred and forty seven thousand dollars a year

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Speaker 3: It's right close to three hundred thousand dollars coming into

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Speaker 2: But is it true? But is it true? And how

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Speaker 2: do you because I've never heard any thing like that before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: to the three months off teachers listening. You know that

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Speaker 3: is true, but the insinuation from the minister is that

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Speaker 3: chat with you about that as well. Genuinely, how much

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Speaker 2: Oh is a judgmental tone from Tyler. I don't think

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Speaker 2: it was judgment to a question mark on it. I'll

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Speaker 2: do an impersonation of you, Tyler, how much are you

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Speaker 2: actually working in three months off?

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Speaker 3: I've seen Facebook posts from teachers having a nice.

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Speaker 2: Holiday, but is it true? I wait, one hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. Well, if you

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Speaker 3: I one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, two nine,

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: It B News, Talks it B. It is sixteen past one.

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Speaker 3: So Judith mentioned to Mike Hoskin this morning that a

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Speaker 3: teacher after ten years can earn one hundred and forty

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Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars including allowances. The question we've asked is

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Speaker 3: a teacher, we'd love to hear from you. I will

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Speaker 3: say that was backed up by the Public Service Commissioner

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Speaker 3: Sir Brian Roach as well. He said, I quote, the

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Speaker 3: average secondary school teacher income was currently one hundred thousand,

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Speaker 2: So it's not guaranteed, so you have to become a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so if we have a look at and I'm

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Speaker 3: and obviously they're challenging that now. But some of those

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Speaker 3: middle management allowances, senior management allowances, and there are a

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Speaker 2: See, I may be just a doting parent, but I'd

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Speaker 2: back my son to go into teach and become a

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Speaker 2: head of department. I'll back him to cut through and

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Speaker 3: Definitely, And if you choose to work during the school holiday,

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Speaker 3: surely there'ld be an avenue there to earn a bit

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Speaker 3: I don't actually want to go on holiday is their work.

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Speaker 2: I can do well. You just kept setting up your

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Speaker 2: lessons and doing them to no one. It sounds like

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Speaker 2: a bit of a weapons situation. Sandy, we welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show. Hi there, how are you? Thanks for calling.

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Speaker 7: I'm good, Thank you. I just wanted to talk about

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Speaker 7: this so called three months holiday. And they might be

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Speaker 7: teachers out there that do take mokey and do have

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Speaker 7: their three months.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 7: I've worked for two principles and both explained it. Like

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Speaker 7: they said, as a teacher, we work in our evenings.

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Speaker 7: I worked at one school where most weeks there was

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Speaker 7: an evening thing at school that we had to be at.

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Speaker 7: We're often planning, marking, making resources in the evenings, and

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Speaker 7: also sports teams on Saturdays. And they so you're you're

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Speaker 7: owed back some of that time in your so called

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Speaker 7: three months break. I don't think primary school teachers quite

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Speaker 7: yet the three.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that teachers work more in the evenings

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Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely, and they certainly do. In my family, Like

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Speaker 7: And I would go therefore, I would go back to

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What's it like as a job though, just outside

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Speaker 2: Is it rewarding?

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Speaker 7: I think you know, you've got to be in it

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Speaker 2: There must be an emotional toll when you say the

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Speaker 7: Oh absolutely, And I think now you know, we're epidemic

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, better, Thank you so much for your call,

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Speaker 2: Sandy good Insight.

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Speaker 3: What do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

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Speaker 3: How many extra hours do you put in a ninety

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Speaker 3: keen to hear from you. It is twenty four past one.

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Speaker 2: This Texas says teachers should work eight hours, not leave

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Speaker 9: COVID inquiry. Chrishipkins is with us? Do you realize how

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean the Royal Commission themselves have said that

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Speaker 11: They ran out of questions after about it.

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Speaker 9: At the time, but they may be inconfident. I don't

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Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with it?

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Speaker 12: Well, Mike, you've got the highest racing breakfast show in

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Speaker 12: New Zealand, and here I am answering your questions.

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Speaker 13: If you've got Christians about the COVID response.

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Speaker 9: Fire away back tomorrow at six am the Mike Husking

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Speaker 2: It's quite squeaky sometimes. My wife's been teaching twelve years

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Speaker 2: Kind regards Matt, but this text says, hey, teachers need

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Speaker 2: Get real teachers, all rightn't shots fired?

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Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: numbered call Peter, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Good after you Mat today, Tyler? How are you?

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Speaker 2: We're very good? How are you?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Not too bad? Look, I heard this.

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Speaker 14: Come out on the radio and thought I'd give you

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Speaker 2: So do you take the normal four weeks holiday a.

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Speaker 14: Look, there'll be some classes in some schools and some

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Speaker 2: So sorry, So basically she only takes the holidays that

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Speaker 14: Yeah, we'll try and do a couple of weeks around

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Speaker 2: Right, even if you're I don't know for some reason.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 14: I don't know how many schools actually use them or

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Speaker 14: what the averages, but the contract being offered is moving

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Speaker 14: that from ten days a year to twenty days a year.

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Speaker 14: So a principle could potentially take away two thirds of

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Speaker 14: that time that they get to recuperate and recover and

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Speaker 14: then put that into extra work. So most of New

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Speaker 14: Zealand would probably shrug and go, yeah, so what all

444
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Speaker 14: the teachers who would conde subject to them? The end

445
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Speaker 14: result is they'll stop teaching. They'll find other chunks.

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Speaker 2: Now, Peter, do you mind telling me what profession urine?

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Speaker 14: I work for a public service as well, but I'll

448
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Speaker 14: keep your guessing as to which one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, wait, okay, so his honest question. Just answer

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Speaker 2: this question as honestly as you can, Peter, who works harder?

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Speaker 2: You or your wife?

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Speaker 14: My wife absolutely worked harder. So the first three or

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Speaker 14: four years, those mid term breaks, those two weeks, she'd

454
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Speaker 14: probably be stick in the bed for the first for

455
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Speaker 14: the first week recovering from the term. It was so

456
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Speaker 14: stressful and so so much work. And if they're going

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Speaker 14: to take a sick day during the term, then it's

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Speaker 14: three or four hours the night before to try and

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Speaker 14: prep all of the all of the full and syllabus

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Speaker 14: work and stuff that the students need to do with

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Speaker 14: the relief teacher.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank so much for you call, Peter, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for insight.

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Speaker 3: Just the more I think about it, we'll all have

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Speaker 3: our teachers in our lives. And I know a few,

466
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Speaker 3: you know a few, most of us do. But the

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Speaker 3: ones I chat to and they've been at a school

468
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Speaker 3: with really tough kids and they say it's horrible. They

469
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Speaker 3: hate it. It's really tough work, similar to what Peter

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Speaker 3: was saying with his wife. But then they go to

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Speaker 3: a different school and things change immensely. They've got support

472
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Speaker 3: and resources around that. So then it comes down to

473
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Speaker 3: the fact of bad schools versus good schools, like bad

474
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Speaker 3: workplaces versus good workplaces.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to find a way too.

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Speaker 3: You know, good teachers are going to go to the

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Speaker 3: good schools, right, So it goes back to that working

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Speaker 3: hard and being a good teacher and putting your head

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Speaker 3: down and actually achieving you're going to get good results

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Speaker 3: in the long run.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll be interested to know if they earn how

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Speaker 2: much they earn it private schools, how much more, because

483
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Speaker 2: if that's the pinnacle of teaching, if you really really good,

484
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Speaker 2: you get to step up and get more and more.

485
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Speaker 2: That's your career path. This six says, Hey, guys, I'm

486
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Speaker 2: a truck driver. Forty dollars an hour time, seventy hours

487
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Speaker 2: a week for forty eight weeks a year. That's not

488
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Speaker 2: even one hundred and forty thousand dollars. That's from aiden. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people working hard. But I will say

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Speaker 2: that when I was a kid, my mum always seemed

491
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Speaker 2: to have marketing papers on a lap when we're watching

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Speaker 2: the TV at night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

494
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Speaker 3: the number to call. It's twenty five to two.

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Speaker 15: Jus talk sa'd be headlines with blue well taxis is

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Speaker 15: fatally shot a woman in christ Church last night as

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Speaker 15: earlier brandished by her partner. Officers shot and injured the

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Speaker 15: man on Brindwar's Clyde Road as he chased the woman

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Speaker 15: with a knife, which she then grabbed. Our Prime Minister

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Speaker 15: is rejecting Israeli pushback on his criticism of benjaminettan Yahoo

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Speaker 15: over aid blockages in Gaza. Chris Luxon says the world

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Speaker 15: is calling for a ceasefire. Health New Zealand's criticizing a

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Speaker 15: nurse's union who counseled strike action yesterday forty five minutes

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Speaker 15: before it was scheduled, saying it calls unnecessary cancelations. Dall

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Speaker 15: instead picket outside christ Church Hospital for two hours tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: market to investigate pricing contract availability and some businesses claims

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Speaker 15: they fear commercial retaliation for speaking out former high profiles

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Speaker 15: to defendant Philip Pulkinghorn has appeared at a procedural hearing

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Speaker 15: in Auckland today before his coronial inquest into his wife's death.

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Speaker 15: Plus a gymnastics stigma athlete speaks out on menstruation challenges.

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Speaker 15: See the full series. It ends at Herald Premium. Now

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Speaker 15: back to Matson Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. So many texts coming through

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Speaker 3: on this one. We're going to get back to your

518
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Speaker 3: calls as well very shortly. But let's get through a

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Speaker 3: couple of these texts.

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Speaker 2: Judith Collins isn't wrong. I'm a primary teacher and any

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Speaker 2: teacher with a normal teaching grew with ten years experience

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Speaker 2: are at ninety eight thousand dollars before any extra units

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Speaker 2: are applied. This Texas says, I work as a allied

524
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Speaker 2: health practitioner, a multi disciplinary practice with physio's podietarists, osteopath

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Speaker 2: Earning capacity is usually under one hundred K, and we

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Speaker 2: often work to do at night referrals let us, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: This one says, guys, this is infuriating. There are plenty

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Speaker 3: of worthy on timesheets, eg. Police and nurses and doctors.

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Speaker 3: Why do teachers think they are exempt and can just

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Speaker 3: say I work really hard and are unaccountable for the

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Speaker 3: hours and this one Matt and Tyler. I have some

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Speaker 3: sympathy for teachers, but all professionals looking to get on

533
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Speaker 3: work some evenings and some holidays. Working with kids as hard.

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Speaker 3: But I manage a team of twenty adults gen z

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Speaker 3: to fifty plus, all griping about something or each other

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Speaker 3: worse than a bunch of kids. Sometimes I think pretty

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Speaker 3: sure that Judith exaggerated their pay, but I would still

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Speaker 3: love their holidays.

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Speaker 2: That's from Dave. Yeah, I think people underestimate how tough

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Speaker 2: it would be to stand up. I'm imagine sixteen and

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Speaker 2: seventeen year olds. You've basically got adults with all their

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Speaker 2: egos and problems and hopes and dreams and emotions, and

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Speaker 2: you've got to get up and stand in front of

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Speaker 2: them every day. Some of them don't give a crap. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: some of them are actively hostile. Some of them are amazing.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think and we all have emotional loads

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Speaker 2: in our jobs, absolutely, but I think there is a

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Speaker 2: huge emotional load in being a teacher, and I think

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Speaker 2: people need to accept that. Hey guys, it's a secure

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Speaker 2: job with many perks. We need more males as they're great,

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Speaker 2: especially for our young boys, but the teacher training has

552
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Speaker 2: put them off. It's become idological prodigy and other jargon

553
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Speaker 2: waffle rather than teaching and the look up that word.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've recently been through teachers college, what was

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Speaker 3: it actually like? Really can to hear from you? What

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Speaker 3: is the lessons of what are you taught? Or what's

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Speaker 3: involved in getting that degree? Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 2: Call the method of practice of teaching, especially as an

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Speaker 2: academic subject of or theatrical concept. Oh, okay, there we go,

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Speaker 2: anological prodigy.

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Speaker 3: You can't say you don't learn anything on this show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'll work on the pronunciation of that.

564
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Speaker 2: But great word, great word.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call back very shortly with more of your calls.

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Speaker 3: Next up, we've got a teacher who says there might

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Speaker 3: be some truth and what Judith would say is this

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Speaker 3: will be interesting. Nineteen to two.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way, mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news

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Speaker 1: talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be sixteen to two Byron, How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 16: Pretty sure?

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Speaker 4: But thanks?

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Speaker 16: How are you guys?

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Speaker 2: Good? Thanks for a teacher, Byron.

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Speaker 16: I used to be I'm an it now that I'm

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Speaker 16: sort of gonna have a teaching because of the emotional

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Speaker 16: This a toll on the mind and soul. I mean

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Speaker 16: Judas's she does have a point with regards to the

582
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Speaker 16: ceiling of an income in education, But I don't think

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Speaker 16: that's your frontline teacher position. That would be somebody that

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Speaker 16: as a management that Peter alluded to before. But yeah,

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Speaker 16: when I was in the classroom, I s get chairs

586
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Speaker 16: chucked it at me or other kids or the big fights,

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Speaker 16: and it will just be a really stressful time because, yeah,

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Speaker 16: kids are coming into the school without basic skills of

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Speaker 16: self control, self regulation, emotional regulation, because just just for

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Speaker 16: you know, a variety of reasons. And yeah, I was

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Speaker 16: just going home and I've got a young family, and

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Speaker 16: i was trying to do work at home in front

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Speaker 16: of the TV with my laptop up, and I'm missing

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Speaker 16: out on my family time because I'm trying to just

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Speaker 16: have the best sort of structured class for the next day,

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Speaker 16: because things will change in the day and kids need

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Speaker 16: change all the time. So when you hear teachers going

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Speaker 16: home and doing mohey, it's because things are changed in

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Speaker 16: the classrooms. So you will see an opportunity for kids

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Speaker 16: who who may not be engaged, you know, get a

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Speaker 16: light bulb moment and this, okay, cool, I'm going to

602
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Speaker 16: do a lesson tomorrow just for them to help them.

603
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Speaker 16: But the whole class, where's the best lessons? And you

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Speaker 16: go and for interest or to developed things on tend you.

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Speaker 2: Sound like you're you sound like you're a good teacher

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Speaker 2: that kid. What age were you teaching at Barron? Not

607
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Speaker 2: your age, the age of the pupils high school or.

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Speaker 16: I'd wonderful age group. It was seven and eight year olds.

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Speaker 16: Was in middle school and they're awesome age because they're

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Speaker 16: not street smart, you know, they can't really school you

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Speaker 16: on anything, but they but they they sort of kept

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Speaker 16: you relevant. So it was like a it's quite reciprocal.

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Speaker 16: So now telling about the coallest just dance songs or

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Speaker 16: who's the colest influencers and then that sort of keep

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Speaker 16: me relevant for my own kids at home. So when

616
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Speaker 16: I'm a home, I'll tell my high age you know,

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Speaker 16: I know about this and that, so my own kids,

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Speaker 16: the street cred with my kids at home was living

619
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Speaker 16: up all the time only because of the experiences that

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Speaker 16: the kids in my classroom were giving me. And then

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Speaker 16: because I was getting feedback from those kids, I'd go

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Speaker 16: home and try and develop lesson plans around the interest.

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Speaker 16: That makes sense. So yeah, I don't know if yeah,

624
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Speaker 16: if people out there sort of get that, you know,

625
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Speaker 16: teaching you'll never save much money and you'll never be rich.

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Speaker 16: You're you're in it too, you know, for the passion Before.

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Speaker 2: You left to go to it, did you look into

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Speaker 2: private school and you know the opportunities in that area

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Speaker 2: and do you know how much more that gets paid

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Speaker 2: than in public sector public schools?

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Speaker 16: I didn't, But private schools would have their own problems,

632
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Speaker 16: I would think, you know, most of the problems that

633
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Speaker 16: I had in mainstream public schools was the emotional the

634
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Speaker 16: trauma that these kids well with them. And it didn't

635
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Speaker 16: matter if it was a child from highly supported household

636
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Speaker 16: or a child that didn't have too many resources at home.

637
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Speaker 16: They all come of their own different types of trauma.

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Speaker 16: So I think private schools, yep, you might have all

639
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Speaker 16: the resources, but then I don't know, those children might

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Speaker 16: come with other traumatic experiences.

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Speaker 3: But that's where you need the resources and the money,

642
00:33:37,893 --> 00:33:39,973
Speaker 3: right byron. And this is the difficulty, is that you

643
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Speaker 3: want good teachers who are good at what they do

644
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Speaker 3: in those schools where the kids have a lot more challenges,

645
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Speaker 3: and you've got to pay them to be there. And

646
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Speaker 3: that's how you get the best people. So that and

647
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Speaker 3: I know we start to get into the territory thereof

648
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Speaker 3: of performance pay. But what is the other option? You

649
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Speaker 3: need to have the good teachers where they're going to

650
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Speaker 3: make the most difference.

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Speaker 16: You do, you do? I did have a look at

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Speaker 16: the gazette before I left, and they are private schools

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Speaker 16: out there in Auckland that constantly vacancy, right, And so

654
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Speaker 16: you know you sort of alluded to before that you know,

655
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Speaker 16: all the good teachers will go to those good schools.

656
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Speaker 16: Some of those private schools are sewing through their through

657
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Speaker 16: their teachers. So and it's at schools around the EPSOM

658
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Speaker 16: and newmarket areas as such, a I don't want to name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine, I imagine at private schools and I

660
00:34:33,693 --> 00:34:36,613
Speaker 2: don't know anything about it. My mother taught at a public school,

661
00:34:36,933 --> 00:34:39,093
Speaker 2: but I don't think about it. But I imagine the demands

662
00:34:39,133 --> 00:34:41,893
Speaker 2: from the parents would be quite extreme because they're they're

663
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Speaker 2: directly paying for it. I mean, we're all paying for

664
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Speaker 2: public schools in our taxes, but they're directly paying for it.

665
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Speaker 2: So I imagine that that the I know that the

666
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Speaker 2: if a kid is going to private school and you're

667
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Speaker 2: paying a lot of money and they're failing, then then

668
00:34:56,693 --> 00:34:58,373
Speaker 2: that's going to come. They're going to come down hard

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Speaker 2: on the teacher.

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Speaker 16: Right A hundred percent. Yeah, so maybe the parents are

671
00:35:03,293 --> 00:35:04,573
Speaker 16: the problem that the children.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 2: Good, You're a great to chat to. Finally, have you

674
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Speaker 2: Are you finding it less stressful than teaching, because I've

675
00:35:14,013 --> 00:35:15,933
Speaker 2: seen some pretty stressed I T people out there.

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Speaker 16: I won't go back to teaching because AI is just

677
00:35:20,973 --> 00:35:24,893
Speaker 16: wrecking the whole narrative for me. As we's going to

678
00:35:24,933 --> 00:35:27,212
Speaker 16: it and you know it's going to be exciting and

679
00:35:27,613 --> 00:35:31,053
Speaker 16: developed new things, and then AI came and let's changed

680
00:35:31,053 --> 00:35:33,172
Speaker 16: my whole narrative. I'm sort of scratching my head, going,

681
00:35:33,213 --> 00:35:37,093
Speaker 16: why did I change? You think it's tough out there

682
00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:42,933
Speaker 16: for everybody, though, Yeah, you know, to everybody news, because yeah,

683
00:35:43,013 --> 00:35:45,253
Speaker 16: we're all doing it tough, just like you guys. You

684
00:35:45,293 --> 00:35:49,053
Speaker 16: know it's it's a tough tough gek at the moment.

685
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for be cool, Barron,

686
00:35:50,693 --> 00:35:51,933
Speaker 2: you're you sound like a great man.

687
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Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

688
00:35:54,333 --> 00:35:55,652
Speaker 3: It is nine to two.

689
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Speaker 1: Matd Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

690
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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons

691
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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about teachers salaries.

693
00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:13,173
Speaker 2: Plenty of texts coming through on this take out school holidays,

694
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,853
Speaker 2: et cetera. And look at what they are asking for.

695
00:36:15,893 --> 00:36:18,693
Speaker 2: Who else had forty percent pay rise and continuing rises

696
00:36:18,733 --> 00:36:21,613
Speaker 2: every year. Asking for eight percent then another two lots

697
00:36:21,653 --> 00:36:24,213
Speaker 2: of four percent is unrealistic. The country doesn't have that

698
00:36:24,293 --> 00:36:26,173
Speaker 2: kind of money. So many of us have had no

699
00:36:26,333 --> 00:36:30,453
Speaker 2: pay rise over twelve to twenty four months. Cheers Shery,

700
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Speaker 2: Thanks for that. I'm a head of department earning just

701
00:36:33,853 --> 00:36:36,213
Speaker 2: under one hundred and fifteen k. My head of faculty

702
00:36:36,253 --> 00:36:40,093
Speaker 2: earns about ten k more. Only principles could be on

703
00:36:40,293 --> 00:36:42,773
Speaker 2: over one hundred and forty and they hardly teach anyone.

704
00:36:43,053 --> 00:36:45,933
Speaker 2: Most teachers earn around one hundred and three K a year.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for those texts, Richards. What's your take on this.

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Speaker 17: Tes I can't believe the amount of absolute rubbish to

707
00:36:54,773 --> 00:36:58,413
Speaker 17: get spoken about the education system by people who, because

708
00:36:58,453 --> 00:37:00,533
Speaker 17: they went to school once, think that they're an expert

709
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Speaker 17: on how teachers operate and how they should be paid.

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00:37:05,293 --> 00:37:08,093
Speaker 17: It's complete rubbish. Did you know that in the nineteen

711
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:13,533
Speaker 17: sees a teacher and an MP were roughly the same,

712
00:37:13,613 --> 00:37:16,453
Speaker 17: probably a little bit higher for the MP, but pretty

713
00:37:16,533 --> 00:37:17,133
Speaker 17: much similar.

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Speaker 13: And they're not now.

715
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Speaker 17: They're a long way from it. My wife has done

716
00:37:21,533 --> 00:37:24,173
Speaker 17: more than thirty five but less than forty years in

717
00:37:24,293 --> 00:37:28,213
Speaker 17: primary school. She's an acting assistant principal the moment, she's

718
00:37:28,253 --> 00:37:32,133
Speaker 17: nowhere near that one hundred and forty. She's a long

719
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Speaker 17: way from that. As that last person said, you know

720
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Speaker 17: that or the text, only a principal would be getting

721
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Speaker 17: anywhere near that. The single biggest thing the government can

722
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Speaker 17: do to improve the life of teachers is to stick

723
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Speaker 17: with the and I'm talking about primary school here primarily,

724
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Speaker 17: is to stick with the guidelines for class sizes. My

725
00:37:57,093 --> 00:38:00,293
Speaker 17: wife's teachers in the junior school. At the primary school,

726
00:38:00,733 --> 00:38:04,133
Speaker 17: her range of students is mean to be between eighteen

727
00:38:04,173 --> 00:38:07,693
Speaker 17: and twenty one. She's got twenty seven, and that extra

728
00:38:07,813 --> 00:38:10,333
Speaker 17: six or even kids is massive.

729
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Speaker 2: So Richard, all, so, Richard, I agree? How good would

730
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Speaker 2: it be if we could have smaller class sizes and

731
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Speaker 2: teachers could be paid more? No, no, I'm not talking about that.

732
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Speaker 2: Just listen, Richard. No, no, I haven't. You've jumped in before.

733
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Speaker 2: I've made my point. So what I'm saying is that

734
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Speaker 2: would be fantastic if we could have low class sizes,

735
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Speaker 2: and it would be fantastic if teachers could get paid

736
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Speaker 2: more and be respected more. But do you agree that

737
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Speaker 2: we don't have a lot of money as a country

738
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Speaker 2: and we're not a rich enough country to necessarily pay

739
00:38:44,093 --> 00:38:46,173
Speaker 2: our teachers as much as we think we should and

740
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Speaker 2: make their working conditions as good as they should be.

741
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Speaker 17: No, I disagree with that. I think that we are

742
00:38:53,093 --> 00:38:58,732
Speaker 17: an adequately wealthy country. We spend a lot of our

743
00:38:58,813 --> 00:39:03,533
Speaker 17: money on absolute rubbish stuff that needs to be smarter

744
00:39:03,773 --> 00:39:08,213
Speaker 17: spending by our government. And education is one and health

745
00:39:08,733 --> 00:39:11,652
Speaker 17: are both areas. It's just like I went to hospital once.

746
00:39:11,733 --> 00:39:14,013
Speaker 17: That makes me an expert on what a nurse's life

747
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Speaker 17: is like.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Richard. We just

749
00:39:16,133 --> 00:39:16,893
Speaker 2: got to go to the news.

750
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're fight up about it. Love the passion.

751
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:20,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you've got your point across. Good stuff.

752
00:39:20,773 --> 00:39:23,013
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we are going to do this after. We'll carry

753
00:39:23,053 --> 00:39:25,133
Speaker 3: this on after two o'clock. So love your thoughts. If

754
00:39:25,133 --> 00:39:27,133
Speaker 3: you're a teacher, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

755
00:39:27,133 --> 00:39:28,853
Speaker 3: what do you say when Judith Colin sees you can

756
00:39:28,893 --> 00:39:31,693
Speaker 3: earn one hundred and forty seven K a year? And

757
00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:32,773
Speaker 3: what are the conditions like?

758
00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:37,493
Speaker 2: And that word is pedagogie, that word meaning method and

759
00:39:37,493 --> 00:39:41,533
Speaker 2: practice of teaching, especially as an academic subject or theoreticals concept.

760
00:39:41,693 --> 00:39:42,013
Speaker 2: Love it.

761
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Speaker 3: Keep those texts coming through, We love them. It's three

762
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Speaker 3: minutes to two News coming up.

763
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

764
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Speaker 1: Afternoons US Talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.

766
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Speaker 3: Seven past turn. We had so many people want to

767
00:40:01,533 --> 00:40:04,093
Speaker 3: have a chat about the teachers and salaries and conditions.

768
00:40:04,093 --> 00:40:06,252
Speaker 2: We're going to keep it going for another wee while. Yeah,

769
00:40:06,373 --> 00:40:09,053
Speaker 2: full lines and so many texts coming through. Really appreciate

770
00:40:09,173 --> 00:40:12,973
Speaker 2: all your calls and messages and emails that are coming through. Actually,

771
00:40:13,013 --> 00:40:15,172
Speaker 2: somehow people have found my email address and they're they're

772
00:40:15,173 --> 00:40:18,373
Speaker 2: blessing me with some messages. So smart people. So it's

773
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Speaker 2: all on on this teacher issue. And it was after

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Speaker 2: I heard Judith Collins say this this morning on the

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Speaker 2: My Costing Breakfast.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you've taken to account twelve weeks, that's three

777
00:40:28,973 --> 00:40:33,213
Speaker 6: months paid leave every year, plus all the professional development,

778
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Speaker 6: plus everything else that goes with it, all the allowances.

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Speaker 6: If you've got ten years experience with the normal allowances

780
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Speaker 6: that most would be getting, that's one hundred and forty

781
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Speaker 6: seven thousand a year. And you add in that the

782
00:40:45,733 --> 00:40:50,693
Speaker 6: fact that there's three months paid leave. Now who else

783
00:40:50,773 --> 00:40:51,173
Speaker 6: gets that?

784
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Speaker 3: Not many, if any? I mean add a lock three

785
00:40:54,213 --> 00:40:55,973
Speaker 3: months paid leave. That is part of the deal, and

786
00:40:56,013 --> 00:40:58,333
Speaker 3: I will for one, I'd say, I actually think teachers

787
00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:01,093
Speaker 3: do deserve that. But be honest about it, the people

788
00:41:01,133 --> 00:41:03,893
Speaker 3: out there, really, how much of that time are you

789
00:41:03,933 --> 00:41:06,613
Speaker 3: preparing for lessons and working. If you're taking the time off,

790
00:41:06,653 --> 00:41:09,172
Speaker 3: good on you enjoy it. You've got hard job, you're

791
00:41:09,173 --> 00:41:11,333
Speaker 3: the best of us. But be honest about it. You're

792
00:41:11,373 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 3: taking a wee holiday out you going for a hike.

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Speaker 2: You sound like a teacher. Be honest, be honest. Much

794
00:41:19,213 --> 00:41:21,493
Speaker 2: of that three months you're working. Well, we all get

795
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:26,333
Speaker 2: four weeks, right, so it's only two two months more

796
00:41:26,813 --> 00:41:29,813
Speaker 2: then we're all guaranteed. But anyway, the reason why I'm

797
00:41:29,813 --> 00:41:31,453
Speaker 2: talking about this is I was driving along and I

798
00:41:31,493 --> 00:41:34,533
Speaker 2: heard due to say that, and I thought, boy, my

799
00:41:34,653 --> 00:41:37,293
Speaker 2: son should go into into teaching. He should go to

800
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Speaker 2: teachers college. You know, he was talking about how he'd

801
00:41:39,653 --> 00:41:41,413
Speaker 2: like to be a teacher. And I thought, no, no, no, no, no,

802
00:41:41,413 --> 00:41:43,652
Speaker 2: no no. That's a terrible job. You don't get it's hard,

803
00:41:43,653 --> 00:41:46,013
Speaker 2: hard work, it's an emotional slog, and you don't get

804
00:41:46,013 --> 00:41:48,573
Speaker 2: paid any money and you don't get any respect. But

805
00:41:48,613 --> 00:41:50,373
Speaker 2: if I hear one hundred and forty seven K a

806
00:41:50,453 --> 00:41:53,413
Speaker 2: year from Judith Collins in three months holiday, I was like,

807
00:41:53,493 --> 00:41:56,253
Speaker 2: get your ass into teachers college, son. But there's been

808
00:41:56,293 --> 00:41:58,293
Speaker 2: a bit of pushback on her comments. I would have

809
00:41:58,333 --> 00:41:58,973
Speaker 2: to say.

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00:41:58,853 --> 00:42:01,453
Speaker 3: There certainly has been a lot of tips coming through

811
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Speaker 3: like this one. No teacher I know gets one hundred

812
00:42:03,933 --> 00:42:07,213
Speaker 3: and forty K. What t if is she on about?

813
00:42:08,453 --> 00:42:11,053
Speaker 3: What do you keep focusing one hundred and forty k minority,

814
00:42:11,093 --> 00:42:14,173
Speaker 3: and think about the sixty to seventy thousand dollars a

815
00:42:14,213 --> 00:42:16,613
Speaker 3: year majority and what their lives must be like trying

816
00:42:16,613 --> 00:42:19,133
Speaker 3: to survive on that amount. I certainly couldn't and wouldn't

817
00:42:19,173 --> 00:42:21,973
Speaker 3: do it for the amount of time training they have

818
00:42:22,053 --> 00:42:23,533
Speaker 3: to do. I think that's disgusting.

819
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Speaker 2: Got this great email from Sophie and she said, Hey, guys,

820
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Speaker 2: it can be argued whether teachers deserve more pay, but

821
00:42:30,333 --> 00:42:32,652
Speaker 2: the bottom line is we have a teacher shortage. They

822
00:42:32,653 --> 00:42:35,293
Speaker 2: are able to easily get a teaching job and Ossie

823
00:42:35,293 --> 00:42:38,573
Speaker 2: in better pay, et cetera. They are leaving, so we

824
00:42:38,613 --> 00:42:40,613
Speaker 2: can argue all we want about the pay rate. But

825
00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:43,212
Speaker 2: until they feel they are being treated with respect they

826
00:42:43,213 --> 00:42:45,373
Speaker 2: deserve and they are able to afford to buy a

827
00:42:45,453 --> 00:42:49,252
Speaker 2: house in Auckland, huh, they will not be good luck.

828
00:42:50,733 --> 00:42:54,693
Speaker 2: They will not be up with it. And no, I

829
00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:57,413
Speaker 2: don't think they can keep importing teachers who struggle with

830
00:42:57,413 --> 00:43:00,533
Speaker 2: the English language. It's not right for the students. Regards

831
00:43:00,773 --> 00:43:02,293
Speaker 2: Sophie good email.

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00:43:02,373 --> 00:43:04,253
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

833
00:43:04,653 --> 00:43:08,613
Speaker 3: number to call. I think we got Sarah on the line.

834
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Speaker 3: On sarahre you currently studying to be a teacher.

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Speaker 15: Hi.

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Speaker 18: Yes, I'm currently studying at aut North Campus and it's

837
00:43:17,933 --> 00:43:21,773
Speaker 18: actually been a really good degree. And I when I

838
00:43:21,853 --> 00:43:25,973
Speaker 18: left high school, I decided, what is one school that

839
00:43:25,973 --> 00:43:28,173
Speaker 18: I could get into really easily because in high school,

840
00:43:28,253 --> 00:43:30,773
Speaker 18: yes I didn't have the best grades, but I still

841
00:43:30,813 --> 00:43:35,013
Speaker 18: had that passion to be doing teaching. So I thought, Okay,

842
00:43:35,013 --> 00:43:37,213
Speaker 18: I'm going to apply for this UNI and see if

843
00:43:37,213 --> 00:43:40,093
Speaker 18: I get in. And this degree, I've learned so much

844
00:43:40,293 --> 00:43:42,933
Speaker 18: that I've never learned before about the education system, and

845
00:43:42,933 --> 00:43:46,133
Speaker 18: it's actually changed my perspective on school, like from being

846
00:43:46,173 --> 00:43:49,133
Speaker 18: a student and they're now going into the school profession.

847
00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:52,453
Speaker 18: It's really opened my eyes a lot and hearing the

848
00:43:52,493 --> 00:43:58,253
Speaker 18: politics now. It's interesting because our degree is constantly changing.

849
00:43:58,853 --> 00:44:02,853
Speaker 18: In education, it's constantly changing, so they're always struggling to actually.

850
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Speaker 19: Know what to teach us.

851
00:44:04,213 --> 00:44:08,013
Speaker 18: So we've had some lectures even admit they're like, well,

852
00:44:08,173 --> 00:44:10,453
Speaker 18: we have this topic we want to teach you, but

853
00:44:10,453 --> 00:44:14,133
Speaker 18: it's not actually that relevant in the curriculum. So you

854
00:44:14,213 --> 00:44:16,652
Speaker 18: guys are now having to find your feet when you

855
00:44:16,693 --> 00:44:19,933
Speaker 18: go into your practicums. We have practicums twice a year

856
00:44:20,093 --> 00:44:23,013
Speaker 18: or am my degree, we had practicums.

857
00:44:22,373 --> 00:44:23,573
Speaker 17: Twice again, what's that?

858
00:44:23,653 --> 00:44:26,253
Speaker 2: What's what's what's that? Sarah? A practicum?

859
00:44:27,333 --> 00:44:27,933
Speaker 7: A practicum?

860
00:44:28,053 --> 00:44:30,933
Speaker 18: Yeah, So we go into schools and this is when

861
00:44:30,973 --> 00:44:34,173
Speaker 18: we get our real life experience as a teacher. Ye.

862
00:44:34,613 --> 00:44:36,933
Speaker 18: We don't learn how to be a teacher using the

863
00:44:37,053 --> 00:44:39,413
Speaker 18: teachers they have in schools, right, and we follow them.

864
00:44:39,733 --> 00:44:41,533
Speaker 3: And does it start the first year or is it

865
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Speaker 3: a couple of years into into the degree.

866
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Speaker 7: But it starts the.

867
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Speaker 18: First year into the degree. So your first year into

868
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Speaker 18: your degree is when you get a chance to do

869
00:44:51,773 --> 00:44:52,652
Speaker 18: your teaching.

870
00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:55,453
Speaker 2: Right, right, And how have you enjoyed those being in

871
00:44:55,533 --> 00:44:56,133
Speaker 2: the classroom?

872
00:44:57,013 --> 00:44:57,172
Speaker 20: Oh?

873
00:44:57,373 --> 00:45:00,493
Speaker 18: I feel like it's been a great experience I've had. Obviously,

874
00:45:01,333 --> 00:45:04,813
Speaker 18: every school is different. And the word that you guys

875
00:45:04,853 --> 00:45:09,213
Speaker 18: were talking about pintergogy. You implement your own pedagology, but

876
00:45:09,293 --> 00:45:12,212
Speaker 18: you learn your pedagogy from watching other how other teachers teach.

877
00:45:12,733 --> 00:45:15,413
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm learning a lot of new words today. Thank you, Sarah,

878
00:45:16,253 --> 00:45:20,453
Speaker 2: you're already and godgy, you're teaching those old dogs some

879
00:45:20,613 --> 00:45:24,053
Speaker 2: new new words, which is awesome. Your natural born teacher.

880
00:45:24,413 --> 00:45:28,853
Speaker 2: So are you going into primary teaching or a secondary.

881
00:45:29,493 --> 00:45:31,893
Speaker 18: At the moment, I'm probably going to go into primary.

882
00:45:31,933 --> 00:45:34,853
Speaker 18: I actually haven't decided yet because there's lots of opportunities

883
00:45:34,933 --> 00:45:38,013
Speaker 18: appearing and I haven't put on my CV yet, but

884
00:45:38,773 --> 00:45:39,693
Speaker 18: most likely primary.

885
00:45:39,693 --> 00:45:43,533
Speaker 2: I'm looking at how different is the study between primary

886
00:45:43,693 --> 00:45:45,973
Speaker 2: and secondary? What extra do you have to do to

887
00:45:46,053 --> 00:45:47,653
Speaker 2: get into secondary school teaching.

888
00:45:48,933 --> 00:45:52,693
Speaker 18: You would have to do a postgrad to do secondary,

889
00:45:53,213 --> 00:45:54,813
Speaker 18: which means you would have to do an x three

890
00:45:54,893 --> 00:45:57,013
Speaker 18: year study. So that guy that talked about the four

891
00:45:57,093 --> 00:45:59,652
Speaker 18: year thing, that would be talking about trying to get

892
00:45:59,653 --> 00:46:02,093
Speaker 18: into secondary. If you want to do primary, it's only three.

893
00:46:02,013 --> 00:46:04,853
Speaker 2: Years, okay, right, And so you're planning to get your

894
00:46:04,893 --> 00:46:10,053
Speaker 2: degree and then jump the jump the seat of Australia

895
00:46:10,133 --> 00:46:10,813
Speaker 2: and get paid more.

896
00:46:11,893 --> 00:46:16,453
Speaker 18: No, I really want to work and lower this high schools. Actually,

897
00:46:16,573 --> 00:46:18,173
Speaker 18: that would be a dream for me to go and

898
00:46:18,613 --> 00:46:21,133
Speaker 18: help those children that were talked about the behavioral needs

899
00:46:21,973 --> 00:46:24,173
Speaker 18: and I really feel like I was drawn to that

900
00:46:24,253 --> 00:46:27,653
Speaker 18: support and going into this teaching would definitely be a

901
00:46:27,733 --> 00:46:28,293
Speaker 18: big part of it.

902
00:46:28,533 --> 00:46:31,813
Speaker 2: So well, I love that attitude and I love the

903
00:46:32,773 --> 00:46:35,573
Speaker 2: a bit. There's some people that I listenking going talk

904
00:46:35,613 --> 00:46:37,933
Speaker 2: to me in ten years, talk to me in ten years?

905
00:46:38,373 --> 00:46:41,333
Speaker 18: Yea in the start and they're like, how long are

906
00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:43,212
Speaker 18: you thinking I'm doing this career four because I've heard

907
00:46:43,253 --> 00:46:44,613
Speaker 18: a teacher burnout.

908
00:46:44,213 --> 00:46:46,573
Speaker 2: And yeah, because you really want to make a difference,

909
00:46:47,733 --> 00:46:51,212
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm sure you will, but it sounds

910
00:46:51,253 --> 00:46:52,933
Speaker 2: like there's quite a lot of an emotional weight that

911
00:46:53,053 --> 00:46:55,172
Speaker 2: comes with it. Is you know, a day and day

912
00:46:55,213 --> 00:46:58,053
Speaker 2: and out and experiencing the you know, the ups and

913
00:46:58,173 --> 00:47:00,093
Speaker 2: downs of other humans lives that are put in front

914
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:01,653
Speaker 2: of you. You don't choose who your students are, and

915
00:47:01,733 --> 00:47:03,413
Speaker 2: some of them can be going through terrible stuff. So

916
00:47:03,733 --> 00:47:05,733
Speaker 2: are you a little bit apprehensive about that side of

917
00:47:05,773 --> 00:47:07,013
Speaker 2: it and what you might experience?

918
00:47:08,613 --> 00:47:09,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, i am.

919
00:47:09,933 --> 00:47:12,773
Speaker 18: I've seen a little bit on these practicums or these

920
00:47:12,893 --> 00:47:16,133
Speaker 18: teaching opportunities, and there is a lot of background that

921
00:47:16,373 --> 00:47:19,373
Speaker 18: students bring with them, and there is a lot of behavior,

922
00:47:20,253 --> 00:47:22,693
Speaker 18: I want to say, outbursts, but it's not their fault.

923
00:47:22,773 --> 00:47:26,413
Speaker 18: So you student put yourself in situations that you haven't

924
00:47:26,453 --> 00:47:30,093
Speaker 18: been before, and that's why you have your at your

925
00:47:30,133 --> 00:47:33,013
Speaker 18: mentors that show you how they would handle it. And

926
00:47:33,133 --> 00:47:35,293
Speaker 18: they won't always put you in their shoes yet, but

927
00:47:35,453 --> 00:47:38,293
Speaker 18: you kind of watch how the situation plays out. So

928
00:47:38,813 --> 00:47:40,573
Speaker 18: there is a lot of students that come in from

929
00:47:40,733 --> 00:47:46,652
Speaker 18: like lower do style backgrounds that they do struggle coming

930
00:47:46,693 --> 00:47:48,933
Speaker 18: to school, and you want the school to be a

931
00:47:48,973 --> 00:47:51,093
Speaker 18: safe place for them, So it's up to your job

932
00:47:51,213 --> 00:47:53,093
Speaker 18: to be there to give them that safe place.

933
00:47:53,333 --> 00:47:56,172
Speaker 3: Sounds rewarding, incredibly challenging as well from what we're hear

934
00:47:56,213 --> 00:47:58,533
Speaker 3: in seras. If you go into secondary school, have you

935
00:47:58,653 --> 00:48:01,133
Speaker 3: decided what subject you'd like to specialize in.

936
00:48:02,253 --> 00:48:06,053
Speaker 18: I'd love to go into pe and that is because

937
00:48:06,493 --> 00:48:10,533
Speaker 18: I am currently a sports coach, so I do CALLI Sports,

938
00:48:10,533 --> 00:48:13,213
Speaker 18: which is a company that I work for, and I

939
00:48:13,933 --> 00:48:16,772
Speaker 18: love doing like playing games, but it's not just playing games,

940
00:48:16,853 --> 00:48:19,733
Speaker 18: good teaching kids' skills about sports that I didn't even

941
00:48:19,773 --> 00:48:22,093
Speaker 18: know before I went into job. So I'm always learning

942
00:48:22,173 --> 00:48:24,453
Speaker 18: with the students as well. So it's been really cool

943
00:48:24,493 --> 00:48:26,373
Speaker 18: to help me ease into that career path.

944
00:48:27,573 --> 00:48:29,453
Speaker 2: Is there many because a lot of people are tixing

945
00:48:29,493 --> 00:48:34,212
Speaker 2: through and saying that we need more men and teaching. Yes,

946
00:48:34,613 --> 00:48:38,733
Speaker 2: And are there many males coming through with you and

947
00:48:38,853 --> 00:48:40,573
Speaker 2: your and your and your courses?

948
00:48:40,733 --> 00:48:45,573
Speaker 18: Siah, That is a really good point. There is probably

949
00:48:46,893 --> 00:48:50,613
Speaker 18: from my campus, this is probably around ten fifteen in

950
00:48:50,693 --> 00:48:53,493
Speaker 18: my year group out of there are coming through.

951
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:57,173
Speaker 2: Out of a total of out of a total of.

952
00:48:57,293 --> 00:49:03,053
Speaker 18: Maybe like fifty sixty maybe eighty a lot. And these

953
00:49:03,133 --> 00:49:06,093
Speaker 18: teachers coming through I've seen in the year groups below

954
00:49:06,173 --> 00:49:08,213
Speaker 18: there are quite a few males, but there is a

955
00:49:08,333 --> 00:49:10,173
Speaker 18: significance of females over males.

956
00:49:10,813 --> 00:49:12,773
Speaker 2: Disagree, Yeah, and does that concern you?

957
00:49:15,133 --> 00:49:17,853
Speaker 18: It does a little bit because I'm friends with most

958
00:49:17,893 --> 00:49:20,253
Speaker 18: of those guys that aren't coming through, and they are

959
00:49:20,893 --> 00:49:23,893
Speaker 18: very driven in this like education sector, so I can

960
00:49:23,933 --> 00:49:27,493
Speaker 18: see them being really really good teachers. But yes, there

961
00:49:27,613 --> 00:49:29,772
Speaker 18: is like a shortage of males coming through as well.

962
00:49:30,973 --> 00:49:31,253
Speaker 2: Sarah.

963
00:49:31,373 --> 00:49:33,293
Speaker 3: Great to chat with you. All the very best, and

964
00:49:33,373 --> 00:49:34,893
Speaker 3: don't go to Australia. We need you here.

965
00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:38,693
Speaker 18: I will be here and if anybody's offering, I'm always

966
00:49:38,693 --> 00:49:39,493
Speaker 18: looking on gazette.

967
00:49:39,893 --> 00:49:44,413
Speaker 2: Okay, absolutely, And I hope you keep that wide eyed

968
00:49:44,573 --> 00:49:46,853
Speaker 2: enthusiasm for your entire teaching career. I love it. Thank

969
00:49:46,853 --> 00:49:49,652
Speaker 2: you so much for your call, Sarah. Thank you go well.

970
00:49:49,773 --> 00:49:51,933
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number

971
00:49:51,973 --> 00:49:55,213
Speaker 3: to call. It's quarter past two if you're a teacher

972
00:49:55,293 --> 00:49:57,653
Speaker 3: or you currently currently going through Teachers College, love to

973
00:49:57,693 --> 00:49:59,533
Speaker 3: have a chat with you. Nine to two nine tools

974
00:49:59,573 --> 00:50:00,613
Speaker 3: of text number back in a.

975
00:50:00,653 --> 00:50:06,293
Speaker 1: Moment your home of Afternoon Talk. Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

976
00:50:06,453 --> 00:50:10,133
Speaker 1: afternoons call. Oh wait at eighty eighty news Talk.

977
00:50:10,053 --> 00:50:15,093
Speaker 3: Said, afternoon, it is nineteen past two and we've been

978
00:50:15,173 --> 00:50:19,253
Speaker 3: talking about teachers salaries. So Judith Collins, who's the Minister

979
00:50:19,333 --> 00:50:21,652
Speaker 3: for Public Service, made comments to my Costkin this morning

980
00:50:22,293 --> 00:50:24,692
Speaker 3: that teachers can earn up to one hundred and forty

981
00:50:24,733 --> 00:50:27,213
Speaker 3: seven thousand dollars, but a lot of pushback on that.

982
00:50:28,053 --> 00:50:30,493
Speaker 2: Hey, this is interesting. That girl is wrong about secondary

983
00:50:30,493 --> 00:50:33,173
Speaker 2: school teaching. You need a bachelor's degree in a subject,

984
00:50:33,253 --> 00:50:35,733
Speaker 2: then a postgrad in teaching. You can't study a primary

985
00:50:35,773 --> 00:50:38,973
Speaker 2: degree then do an extra year and teach secondary A

986
00:50:39,053 --> 00:50:41,893
Speaker 2: primary degree doesn't give you the specialist subject knowledge you

987
00:50:42,053 --> 00:50:46,933
Speaker 2: need to be a secondary teacher. That's what I thought. Actually, right, Okay,

988
00:50:47,013 --> 00:50:50,533
Speaker 2: good to know one of our teachers started dating as

989
00:50:50,573 --> 00:50:56,093
Speaker 2: student three weeks after graduating graduation, later got engaged and

990
00:50:56,173 --> 00:51:01,733
Speaker 2: then he knocked up an international sports person and left her. Wow, lo,

991
00:51:02,133 --> 00:51:04,893
Speaker 2: what a journey. Well, what did I mean? It's vaguely

992
00:51:04,973 --> 00:51:07,773
Speaker 2: on the top of it. If the teacher has evolved

993
00:51:08,373 --> 00:51:10,853
Speaker 2: on the topic of what we're talking about, this Stixter says,

994
00:51:11,293 --> 00:51:13,973
Speaker 2: can I lop a grenade in here. My maid is

995
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:16,573
Speaker 2: a teacher and says, if you play it right, teachings

996
00:51:16,613 --> 00:51:22,813
Speaker 2: like semi retirement that Vix. Welcome to the show, Kelda.

997
00:51:24,173 --> 00:51:26,453
Speaker 3: Hi, Now you're a part time Yeah, we're very good.

998
00:51:26,533 --> 00:51:27,573
Speaker 3: You're a part time teacher.

999
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:29,013
Speaker 7: I am so.

1000
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:32,333
Speaker 20: I teach secondary So your texter was right. You need

1001
00:51:32,533 --> 00:51:36,573
Speaker 20: a degree. Mine was in psychology and English double major,

1002
00:51:36,733 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 20: and then you do a year as postgraduates to get

1003
00:51:40,333 --> 00:51:43,493
Speaker 20: your teaching diploma before you become a secondary school teacher.

1004
00:51:43,533 --> 00:51:46,652
Speaker 2: And does that mean you can only teach in those

1005
00:51:47,093 --> 00:51:48,973
Speaker 2: subjects or can you teach across the board.

1006
00:51:49,973 --> 00:51:52,933
Speaker 20: It's about doing the professional learning to be able to

1007
00:51:52,973 --> 00:51:55,453
Speaker 20: teach those subjects. So I have classics and history and

1008
00:51:55,573 --> 00:51:59,573
Speaker 20: my degree, and so I've taught health, and I've taught English,

1009
00:51:59,653 --> 00:52:03,733
Speaker 20: and I teach literacy. I've actually done structure literacy training

1010
00:52:03,773 --> 00:52:05,973
Speaker 20: because of the amount of young people that were coming

1011
00:52:06,013 --> 00:52:10,333
Speaker 20: through to us without fundamentals. So I now teach backfill

1012
00:52:10,453 --> 00:52:13,653
Speaker 20: basically gaps, and we've written that program on that.

1013
00:52:14,893 --> 00:52:16,093
Speaker 2: My mum was a classics teacher.

1014
00:52:16,893 --> 00:52:19,533
Speaker 20: Are you so my mum was an English teacher. I

1015
00:52:19,613 --> 00:52:21,373
Speaker 20: was never going to be a teacher because I saw

1016
00:52:21,493 --> 00:52:23,573
Speaker 20: how hard she worked and I was going to be

1017
00:52:23,613 --> 00:52:27,213
Speaker 20: a clinical psychologist, and I got into that program, but

1018
00:52:27,453 --> 00:52:32,453
Speaker 20: then I love working with teenagers and so, like to

1019
00:52:32,573 --> 00:52:35,333
Speaker 20: put it bluntly, I could be earning eighty to one

1020
00:52:35,413 --> 00:52:38,453
Speaker 20: hundred and twenty thousand k more had I continued with

1021
00:52:38,693 --> 00:52:42,693
Speaker 20: that clinical psych program. And I think we need to

1022
00:52:43,093 --> 00:52:47,933
Speaker 20: as a country recognize that teachers are professionals and that

1023
00:52:48,173 --> 00:52:51,653
Speaker 20: the wages we are paying them as professionals are massively

1024
00:52:51,733 --> 00:52:54,813
Speaker 20: low comparatively, and so if we want to hold on

1025
00:52:54,933 --> 00:52:57,773
Speaker 20: to our professionals, and I know two younger staff who

1026
00:52:57,773 --> 00:53:00,533
Speaker 20: have done their first five years and are off overseas

1027
00:53:00,613 --> 00:53:03,013
Speaker 20: at the end of the year from our school in Osatahi,

1028
00:53:04,493 --> 00:53:07,013
Speaker 20: and if we want and their good teachers, and they're

1029
00:53:07,053 --> 00:53:09,692
Speaker 20: not just going for their oe because they know they

1030
00:53:09,733 --> 00:53:14,453
Speaker 20: can earn a better wage overseas. So yeah, if we

1031
00:53:14,653 --> 00:53:18,533
Speaker 20: do have a teacher's crisis. In terms of holidays, I

1032
00:53:18,653 --> 00:53:22,293
Speaker 20: spent my previous holiday of two weeks. Four days of

1033
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,933
Speaker 20: that was at an English teachers conference up in Auckland,

1034
00:53:26,693 --> 00:53:30,013
Speaker 20: and then I probably spent about five days marking and

1035
00:53:30,093 --> 00:53:34,573
Speaker 20: planning and the rest was holidays for me. And the

1036
00:53:34,773 --> 00:53:36,413
Speaker 20: conferences are always in the holidays.

1037
00:53:36,933 --> 00:53:40,573
Speaker 2: I think conferences like radio conferences where everyone just rocks

1038
00:53:40,653 --> 00:53:42,973
Speaker 2: it up. Must be I wish.

1039
00:53:44,373 --> 00:53:48,693
Speaker 20: Drink French dinner, but it's three days of hard mahe

1040
00:53:49,973 --> 00:53:53,293
Speaker 20: and some really nice gatherings and sharing as well. And

1041
00:53:53,453 --> 00:53:55,493
Speaker 20: one of the biggest things that came through to me

1042
00:53:55,733 --> 00:54:00,772
Speaker 20: from my North Island colleagues was the teacher shortage. We've

1043
00:54:00,813 --> 00:54:05,013
Speaker 20: definitely had people who have moved down from fielding in

1044
00:54:05,133 --> 00:54:09,973
Speaker 20: Auckland and Wellington to buy houses and we're lucky enough

1045
00:54:10,013 --> 00:54:15,133
Speaker 20: to have picked them up at school. But yeah, Judas Collins,

1046
00:54:15,573 --> 00:54:20,413
Speaker 20: her saying that about salaries, I mean just she's getting

1047
00:54:20,493 --> 00:54:24,732
Speaker 20: numbers out of nowhere, but also she's getting sacks out

1048
00:54:24,773 --> 00:54:27,053
Speaker 20: of nowhere. You know teachers has been offered three percent.

1049
00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:30,573
Speaker 20: Well no, we've been offered one percent this year. And

1050
00:54:30,973 --> 00:54:33,253
Speaker 20: you know, I've been teaching for twenty years, so I've

1051
00:54:33,293 --> 00:54:35,933
Speaker 20: been around to watch a few of these negotiations. And

1052
00:54:36,053 --> 00:54:38,573
Speaker 20: what the governments tend to do is they like to

1053
00:54:38,653 --> 00:54:41,812
Speaker 20: spend a long time in negotiations because they're saving money.

1054
00:54:42,813 --> 00:54:46,493
Speaker 20: As soon as they agree to a number, they have

1055
00:54:46,613 --> 00:54:49,893
Speaker 20: to start paying us that they didn't backdate us that time.

1056
00:54:50,053 --> 00:54:52,693
Speaker 2: So when did you last gets Because on a lot

1057
00:54:52,733 --> 00:54:55,653
Speaker 2: of people text back and say you know, there's security

1058
00:54:55,693 --> 00:54:57,933
Speaker 2: in a job being a teacher, and no one's getting

1059
00:54:57,973 --> 00:55:01,293
Speaker 2: pay increases at the moment. And there have been recent

1060
00:55:01,413 --> 00:55:05,413
Speaker 2: pay increases. There's been recent pay Yeah, there's been recent

1061
00:55:05,533 --> 00:55:09,533
Speaker 2: pay increases for teachers. So there's one percent on the

1062
00:55:09,573 --> 00:55:12,212
Speaker 2: table now, but that's on top of I could look

1063
00:55:12,293 --> 00:55:14,293
Speaker 2: up the right head had from me before.

1064
00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:17,973
Speaker 20: But a lot a weird pay increase because we got

1065
00:55:18,053 --> 00:55:21,652
Speaker 20: a lump sum which paid out for a couple of things.

1066
00:55:21,733 --> 00:55:23,333
Speaker 20: One of them was we'd had to pay for our

1067
00:55:23,373 --> 00:55:27,693
Speaker 20: own registration. It hadn't normally beforehand. That had been something

1068
00:55:27,813 --> 00:55:32,212
Speaker 20: that the government had included as part of our pay

1069
00:55:32,293 --> 00:55:34,773
Speaker 20: and then it had come out, so it was about

1070
00:55:35,533 --> 00:55:38,493
Speaker 20: five hundred bucks and so that was a lump sum.

1071
00:55:38,653 --> 00:55:41,053
Speaker 20: So it's really hard to get a proper figure on

1072
00:55:41,213 --> 00:55:44,333
Speaker 20: what we got last time. And I don't know, sorry

1073
00:55:44,373 --> 00:55:47,973
Speaker 20: off the top of my head, but I think what

1074
00:55:48,293 --> 00:55:51,613
Speaker 20: we're trying to do is to keep up with and

1075
00:55:51,693 --> 00:55:55,013
Speaker 20: we're so far behind other the professions. Like all friends

1076
00:55:55,053 --> 00:55:57,933
Speaker 20: I was at UNI with begs come and do this

1077
00:55:59,173 --> 00:56:03,293
Speaker 20: because but there is a lifestyle to it in that

1078
00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:07,973
Speaker 20: I can choose which days I'm going to take as

1079
00:56:08,013 --> 00:56:09,772
Speaker 20: a whole day out of those two weeks in which

1080
00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:12,373
Speaker 20: days I'm going to work, and I can work that

1081
00:56:12,573 --> 00:56:14,813
Speaker 20: around what I'm doing and what my fun I was doing.

1082
00:56:15,333 --> 00:56:18,453
Speaker 20: But I could not be a mom to three one

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00:56:18,533 --> 00:56:21,893
Speaker 20: of them home we foster and is now ours permanently

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00:56:23,333 --> 00:56:26,253
Speaker 20: and work full time. I can't do the load and

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00:56:26,453 --> 00:56:28,613
Speaker 20: be fear to my students and being the best teacher

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00:56:28,693 --> 00:56:28,933
Speaker 20: I can.

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Speaker 2: So much for your call back, So one of the

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00:56:31,653 --> 00:56:34,293
Speaker 2: ones teachers agreed to a fourteen point five percent pay

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00:56:34,453 --> 00:56:39,652
Speaker 2: rise in twenty twenty three, I believe yeah, and there's

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00:56:39,733 --> 00:56:44,013
Speaker 2: been a couple of other four percent situations. We'll get

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Speaker 2: the exact figures on that. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your call. Why hasn't it been discussed the job security

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00:56:48,613 --> 00:56:50,453
Speaker 2: teachers enjoy? I just said that the unemployment rate in

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00:56:50,493 --> 00:56:52,613
Speaker 2: Auckland is now over six percent. People are losing their

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00:56:52,693 --> 00:56:55,093
Speaker 2: jobs and this economy, teachers don't have the risk of

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00:56:55,213 --> 00:56:57,453
Speaker 2: being laid off. Interesting time to be asking for more

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00:56:57,533 --> 00:57:00,212
Speaker 2: money with all of us struggling out there.

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Speaker 3: Yep, cood text OH one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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00:57:02,853 --> 00:57:05,013
Speaker 3: So number to call. It's twenty six past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred and

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00:57:14,853 --> 00:57:16,853
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks ed B are so many texts coming through

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Speaker 3: on nine two nine two.

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Speaker 2: So fourteen percent was the last teachers pay rise, fourteen

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00:57:25,413 --> 00:57:28,453
Speaker 2: point five percent. That was in twenty twenty three. They

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00:57:28,573 --> 00:57:30,813
Speaker 2: are now asking they want eight percent, four percent and

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Speaker 2: four percent.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this is a direct quote from the head of

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Speaker 3: the Public Service Commission, so Brian wrote. So the union

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00:57:37,933 --> 00:57:40,853
Speaker 3: rejected a three percent increase over the three years, but

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Speaker 3: that is on top of an annual pay progression of

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00:57:44,133 --> 00:57:47,173
Speaker 3: between four point five percent and seven point five percent.

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Speaker 3: So that is the current situation as it stands.

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Speaker 2: My outdoor ed teacher said to us, the only reason

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00:57:53,133 --> 00:57:55,093
Speaker 2: I'm here is for the holidays. We said, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure when that was. Thank you for that.

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00:57:57,293 --> 00:57:59,493
Speaker 2: This Texas says Judith, is spot on. They do get

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00:57:59,533 --> 00:58:01,693
Speaker 2: a lot of holidays. Don't get me wrong. There are

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Speaker 2: some teachers that would work some of those holidays, but

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00:58:04,293 --> 00:58:07,093
Speaker 2: the majority do not, says this texter. I have worked

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00:58:07,093 --> 00:58:09,893
Speaker 2: with many people who have actually changed their career path

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00:58:10,053 --> 00:58:13,933
Speaker 2: because they want extra holidays. So they get into teaching.

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00:58:14,013 --> 00:58:16,573
Speaker 2: Dependent on which level they are teaching, they have good

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Speaker 2: Mondays to Friday's hours as well. If they have children,

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00:58:19,973 --> 00:58:22,373
Speaker 2: they do not have to worry about after school care,

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00:58:22,733 --> 00:58:26,213
Speaker 2: so they save a lot in that aspect as well. Guys,

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00:58:26,333 --> 00:58:28,653
Speaker 2: my wife as a school principal. Before I knew her,

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Speaker 2: I was in the corporate world. Believe me, I've learned

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00:58:31,213 --> 00:58:35,853
Speaker 2: teachers have it so a few people getting triggered listening

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00:58:35,893 --> 00:58:39,573
Speaker 2: to the so easy Judith Collins is correct. After the

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00:58:39,613 --> 00:58:42,013
Speaker 2: first few years, money is very good, including the twelve

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00:58:42,133 --> 00:58:46,613
Speaker 2: paid twelve paid leave. Remember it's an eye opener. They

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Speaker 2: have it easy, says this text. I can feel the Yeah,

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00:58:52,013 --> 00:58:54,733
Speaker 2: the temperature of the nation rising just there.

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Speaker 3: That's a good text to leave it, or maybe a

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Speaker 3: couple more. Hey, guys, I'm a male primary school teacher.

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Speaker 3: I don't get anywhere near one hundred and forty k.

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Speaker 3: If we as a society valued education and educators and

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Speaker 3: funded schools, paid teachers well, et cetera, the country would

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00:59:08,453 --> 00:59:10,813
Speaker 3: save so much more by having a population that was

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Speaker 3: more intelligent, empathetic and productive. The less money spent on health,

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00:59:14,533 --> 00:59:17,293
Speaker 3: less crime, highest standards of living for all people in

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Speaker 3: the community and country.

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00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:22,253
Speaker 2: Yes, but there's a text I read before that said

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00:59:22,333 --> 00:59:25,213
Speaker 2: if teachers were doing their job right, then our country

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00:59:25,253 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 2: would be wouldn't be the less productive in the OCOECD. Yeah, yes,

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00:59:30,293 --> 00:59:33,853
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. There is everything in every direction

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00:59:34,053 --> 00:59:37,693
Speaker 2: right here. But I would say it's not as simple

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00:59:37,733 --> 00:59:39,893
Speaker 2: as what Juth Collins was saying that one hundred and

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00:59:39,933 --> 00:59:43,093
Speaker 2: forty seven K. I think that is an extreme situation

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00:59:43,453 --> 00:59:44,933
Speaker 2: where you get up one hundred and forty seven k

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00:59:45,173 --> 00:59:48,573
Speaker 2: in ten years. It's not happening for most teachers. Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who phoned

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Speaker 3: in text. And we'll see what happens next Wednesday whether

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00:59:54,213 --> 00:59:56,693
Speaker 3: they will go on strike, But thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Right coming up after the headlines, this is going to

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Speaker 3: be a great chat. Booking dot com it has been

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Speaker 3: accused of failing to respond to complaints of fraudulent listings.

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Speaker 3: So do you you refuse to use the likes of

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Speaker 3: booking dot com It hasn't done itself favors for a

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Speaker 3: long time. But really can to hear from you on

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Speaker 3: O eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: And eighty ten eighty do you use them or do

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Speaker 2: you go straight to the source? It is twenty nine to.

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Speaker 15: Three US talk said the headline with blue Bubble taxis

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Speaker 15: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. A christ churchwoman

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Speaker 15: fatally shot by police last night was threatening officers with

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Speaker 15: a hunting knife. After that shot a man who first

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Speaker 15: brandished the weapon. The man has critical injuries. Health New

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Speaker 15: Zealand and the Minister of Health are slamming a nursing

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Speaker 15: union for announcing then canceling a strike at christ Church

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Speaker 15: Hospital yesterday at the last minute. Staff in theater, post

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Speaker 15: anesthetic care unit and radiology will instead pick it tomorrow

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Speaker 15: between two and four pm. Our pedestrian has been hit

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Speaker 15: by a truck and seriously injured in Waikato's Mutteramutter at

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Speaker 15: Tepui Road, near the intersection with State Highway twenty nine.

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Speaker 15: Record numbers of small businesses are accessing MB's regional support

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Speaker 15: and Advice initiative. The Regional Business Partner Network supported four

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Speaker 15: and a half thousand businesses this financial year, the highest

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Speaker 15: engagement to date excluding the pandemic. It's a seven percent

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01:01:21,773 --> 01:01:24,893
Speaker 15: rise on last year. Plus how the rise of generic

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Speaker 15: official killed public sector expertise. Read the full column at end,

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Speaker 15: said Herold Premium. Now back to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, So let's have a chat

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01:01:35,933 --> 01:01:38,533
Speaker 3: about Booking dot Com. It's under fire again, this time

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01:01:38,893 --> 01:01:41,853
Speaker 3: for not responding to fraudulent listings. So there's quite a

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Speaker 3: few keywis that are coming out of the woodwork saying

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Speaker 3: that they've gone to booking dot Com and went to

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Speaker 3: go book a nice holiday in this beautiful looking place

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Speaker 3: in Wonkah. The sad thing is that this place didn't exist,

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Speaker 3: so they paid a whole lot of money. Come on,

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Speaker 3: I mean it is like this keeps happening more and

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01:01:59,213 --> 01:02:01,453
Speaker 3: more on the likes of booking dot comic speedia, whatever

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01:02:01,453 --> 01:02:04,213
Speaker 3: you want to do. So sadly for these people, they

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01:02:04,333 --> 01:02:07,173
Speaker 3: sent thousands of thousands of dollars to these scammers.

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Speaker 2: But this is out of the pro two and twenty

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Speaker 2: one dollars and sixty cents to be precise. Tyler. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a lot of cash. And they wanted to go

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Speaker 2: to Warbirds over Wanaka, which is one of the greatest

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01:02:17,253 --> 01:02:19,133
Speaker 2: events in this country. I've never been, but I would

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01:02:19,213 --> 01:02:20,653
Speaker 2: love to go. It's so good.

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Speaker 3: So we can feel very bad for these people. But

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Speaker 3: I've got to say, the Booking dot Com so they

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01:02:25,653 --> 01:02:27,293
Speaker 3: get in a lot of heat now because they haven't

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01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:30,293
Speaker 3: responded and they're not taking these listings down fast enough.

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Speaker 3: But that is the danger when you use a site

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01:02:33,293 --> 01:02:36,093
Speaker 3: like booking dot com, that we know that scammers can

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01:02:36,133 --> 01:02:38,213
Speaker 3: get in there, and more and more they are putting

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01:02:38,253 --> 01:02:41,093
Speaker 3: up these fraudulent listings. And also this is a big

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01:02:41,133 --> 01:02:43,373
Speaker 3: thing for you, Matt, that money goes overseas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and we've talked about this before on the show.

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Speaker 2: But if you go directly to the hotel, motel holiday inn,

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01:02:51,773 --> 01:02:55,653
Speaker 2: they will they will match the price on booking dot

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01:02:55,693 --> 01:02:58,733
Speaker 2: Com because they get more money from it. Yeah, generally speaking,

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01:02:58,773 --> 01:03:00,893
Speaker 2: they will. But I will never go through one of

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01:03:00,933 --> 01:03:04,053
Speaker 2: these dirty sites, these third party sites like booking dot com.

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01:03:04,693 --> 01:03:07,413
Speaker 2: If you see the place, then go to the website

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01:03:07,493 --> 01:03:11,333
Speaker 2: of the place and talk to them directly. You're guaranteed

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01:03:12,893 --> 01:03:14,733
Speaker 2: to know that they exist if you talk to them,

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But if they had run this place they're paying two

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Speaker 2: and seventy two to seven two seven and twenty one

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Speaker 2: dollars to stay at, if they'd got hold of them directly,

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01:03:23,813 --> 01:03:25,213
Speaker 2: they would have found out they don't exist as a

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Speaker 2: fake listing. Yeah, but I mean that just calls into question.

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Speaker 2: That's a double reason not to do it, right, So,

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01:03:30,613 --> 01:03:34,013
Speaker 2: first reason it screws over the people running the accommodation.

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Speaker 2: Second reason, the place your booking may not exist.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:03:40,293 --> 01:03:42,813
Speaker 3: to call. Are you increasingly wary about these sort of

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01:03:42,893 --> 01:03:45,293
Speaker 3: sites booking dot com? Have you run into one of

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Speaker 3: these scams? Have you lost a bit of money? And

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01:03:48,333 --> 01:03:50,413
Speaker 3: what was it like dealing with these companies when things

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01:03:50,453 --> 01:03:51,733
Speaker 3: went wrong? Love to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Have you booked accommodation that doesn't exist and

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Speaker 2: is going third party dirty?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number

1242
01:04:02,133 --> 01:04:03,533
Speaker 3: to call. It's twenty two to three.

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Speaker 1: Mattith Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rules on

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01:04:08,733 --> 01:04:13,053
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons used talks'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about booking dot com and site similar to

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01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:19,013
Speaker 3: booking dot com. Have you been scammed before? It appears

1247
01:04:19,733 --> 01:04:22,253
Speaker 3: more and more key wes are getting scammed. Fate listings

1248
01:04:22,293 --> 01:04:25,013
Speaker 3: are popping up left, right and center. And according to

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01:04:25,533 --> 01:04:27,813
Speaker 3: these people who were scammed in the article, booking dot

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01:04:27,853 --> 01:04:31,173
Speaker 3: com is is is very bad at getting back to

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Speaker 3: them and making it right. One hundred and eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I used Booking dot Com to find accommodation and

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01:04:36,613 --> 01:04:39,853
Speaker 2: then ring the actual motel a hotel, and they've always

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Speaker 2: matched the price. That's from Dan. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: That's what I did. That's what I do. Dan and

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Speaker 2: me we Vicky. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 17: Hi.

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Speaker 8: I bopd accommodation in Rome. Last year I booked through

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01:04:55,333 --> 01:04:59,973
Speaker 8: Booking dot Com and got confirmation and they took my

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Speaker 8: money and then within about two weeks they canceled it

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Speaker 8: and wouldn't give me back my money. They told me

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01:05:11,093 --> 01:05:11,933
Speaker 8: to get it back off.

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Speaker 16: So their words was.

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Speaker 8: They called Booking dot comunks and said get it back

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01:05:21,213 --> 01:05:24,533
Speaker 8: off them. Booking dot Com just wouldn't come to the part.

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Speaker 8: It took seven months to get the money back. In

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Speaker 8: the meantime, I still needed accommodation, so I booked again

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Speaker 8: through booking dot com because when you're booking overseas it's

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01:05:33,733 --> 01:05:38,533
Speaker 8: too hard to do it really any other ways, and

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Speaker 8: had the same thing got canceled last minute, but there

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01:05:43,653 --> 01:05:46,933
Speaker 8: was no charge on that, but Booking dot Com were not.

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Speaker 16: Happy to be giving back the money.

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01:05:52,013 --> 01:05:55,133
Speaker 8: And then again this year booked again through Booking dot Com,

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01:05:55,293 --> 01:05:59,653
Speaker 8: went to Bali arrived at the accommodation. The swimming pool

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01:05:59,773 --> 01:06:02,213
Speaker 8: was green, so we said we didn't really want to stay.

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01:06:03,093 --> 01:06:06,133
Speaker 8: I paid Booking dot Com for our accommodation. The provider

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01:06:06,253 --> 01:06:09,013
Speaker 8: told us they definitely hadn't taken the money.

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Speaker 16: And to get it back.

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Speaker 2: Just just just before you continue, for Vicky, are you

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01:06:15,733 --> 01:06:17,093
Speaker 2: indicating or are you riding a horse?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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01:06:18,053 --> 01:06:25,773
Speaker 2: Yeap of sounds like it kind of sounds like I'll

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01:06:25,813 --> 01:06:27,493
Speaker 2: just I'm just going to keep imagining you're riding a

1284
01:06:27,573 --> 01:06:34,573
Speaker 2: horse because it makes the call better. It's a whimsical

1285
01:06:34,653 --> 01:06:38,013
Speaker 2: call if you're on a horse. So, uh, Vicky said,

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01:06:38,053 --> 01:06:42,253
Speaker 2: three times Booking dot Com let you down yep, And

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Speaker 2: and they.

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Speaker 8: Keep changing their phone numbers so that hard to get

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Speaker 8: hold of. And and then this last particular time I

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Speaker 8: actually to get.

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Speaker 7: My money back.

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01:06:52,493 --> 01:06:55,213
Speaker 8: I went back through my credit card with the bank

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Speaker 8: and said hey, Then Booking dot Com declined it and

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Speaker 8: said that I had made no effort to get my

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01:07:02,813 --> 01:07:07,413
Speaker 8: money back. So I sent the bank h correspondence that

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Speaker 8: I've had Withooking dot Com over it, and the bank

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01:07:10,973 --> 01:07:12,173
Speaker 8: gave me back my money.

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Speaker 2: So you're out. You're you're done with Booking dot Com now, surely,

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Speaker 2: And We're not going to hear in two months that

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Speaker 2: you've booked a trip to Paraguay on Booking dot Com

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Speaker 2: and they've let you down again, are we, Vicky?

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Speaker 8: To be fair, Key, we shouldn't use Booking dot Com

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01:07:25,973 --> 01:07:30,013
Speaker 8: and New Zealand every accommodation provider will normally do a

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01:07:30,133 --> 01:07:33,253
Speaker 8: cheaper price than Booking dot Com. You don't want them

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01:07:33,293 --> 01:07:36,133
Speaker 8: to match it because the're paying fees to Booking dot

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01:07:36,213 --> 01:07:40,093
Speaker 8: Com for booking. I am a motelier, so you know

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01:07:40,453 --> 01:07:43,053
Speaker 8: you can get a better price through Booking Direct with

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01:07:43,253 --> 01:07:49,333
Speaker 8: your motel rather than using them. They're just they're not

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01:07:49,453 --> 01:07:52,093
Speaker 8: an and them money doesn't even stay in New Zealand,

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01:07:52,293 --> 01:07:55,253
Speaker 8: so during COVID times, all this money was going overseas.

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Speaker 2: I'm paying text here absolutely. Thank you so much for

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01:07:59,933 --> 01:08:01,933
Speaker 2: your call, Vicky. Will let you ride off into the sunset.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, stay away from those winkers. A couple of teas

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01:08:05,573 --> 01:08:09,853
Speaker 3: coming through tailor. I am just saying, Adams the language

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01:08:09,973 --> 01:08:13,733
Speaker 3: the good hotel in Parliament. Hey, the hotel called them wankers.

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01:08:14,053 --> 01:08:17,732
Speaker 3: I'm just ready to go in relaying what they said.

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01:08:17,773 --> 01:08:19,652
Speaker 2: I think they're quite right. Oh one hundred eighty ten

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01:08:19,733 --> 01:08:25,532
Speaker 2: eighty are they w's some teas coming through here, Okay,

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01:08:25,853 --> 01:08:30,572
Speaker 2: so I'll go. Used used to use booking dot com

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01:08:31,213 --> 01:08:33,932
Speaker 2: till till we arrived in London after driving down from

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01:08:33,973 --> 01:08:37,572
Speaker 2: Scotland to find out booking was a bogus and our

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01:08:37,572 --> 01:08:41,932
Speaker 2: booking dot com booking booking was bogus, not our bogus

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01:08:43,093 --> 01:08:45,692
Speaker 2: booking was bogus, and Booking dot Com refused to take

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Speaker 2: any responsibility. They did admit they had banned the host

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01:08:49,973 --> 01:08:53,652
Speaker 2: before and refused to refund our one thousand and two

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01:08:53,692 --> 01:08:57,572
Speaker 2: hundred dollars myself, daughter in law, two very tired kids,

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Speaker 2: horrendous thank god for holiday inn that's from Ann So

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01:09:01,293 --> 01:09:03,412
Speaker 2: booking dot com and banned the person before, and then

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01:09:03,412 --> 01:09:05,372
Speaker 2: the person's jumped back up on booking dot Com and

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01:09:05,412 --> 01:09:08,093
Speaker 2: set up another bogus, bloody a com.

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01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:10,372
Speaker 3: Do I have to use that word again? I mean clearly?

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01:09:11,412 --> 01:09:14,452
Speaker 2: Oh eight ten eighty it's the number to call. I'm

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01:09:14,492 --> 01:09:18,652
Speaker 2: just gonna email the Broadcasting Standards Authority about your pottymouth tyler.

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01:09:19,013 --> 01:09:23,812
Speaker 2: How believe you keep to a quarter to three? Are

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01:09:23,893 --> 01:09:24,852
Speaker 2: plenty of calls to get to.

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Speaker 3: If you can't get through, keep trying, ohight hundred and

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01:09:26,652 --> 01:09:29,372
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty do you use booking dot Com and

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01:09:29,452 --> 01:09:30,453
Speaker 3: have you got stune.

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01:09:32,093 --> 01:09:33,372
Speaker 2: The issues that affect you.

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Speaker 1: And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath

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01:09:35,973 --> 01:09:38,212
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk z EDB News Talk zed B. Good afternoon to you.

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01:09:42,692 --> 01:09:44,972
Speaker 3: There's some great texts coming through nine two nine two

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01:09:44,973 --> 01:09:48,932
Speaker 3: about booking dot com and other things. This one says, guys,

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01:09:49,173 --> 01:09:51,492
Speaker 3: booking dot Com has been fined millions of dollars around

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01:09:51,532 --> 01:09:55,812
Speaker 3: the world, bankrupt in many countries. It just clips the

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Speaker 3: ticket off every other supplies platform. Dirty buggers.

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01:09:59,213 --> 01:10:01,532
Speaker 2: And this is a text I agree with strongly from Alistair.

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01:10:01,933 --> 01:10:04,652
Speaker 2: Lift the game on the language. You don't need to

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01:10:04,692 --> 01:10:07,253
Speaker 2: be shock jocks. If you want to talk bad language,

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01:10:07,652 --> 01:10:10,532
Speaker 2: go to radio Hodeki. You're a part of the downfall

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01:10:10,572 --> 01:10:11,052
Speaker 2: of society.

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01:10:11,053 --> 01:10:11,093
Speaker 8: That.

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01:10:11,173 --> 01:10:12,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I blame you, man.

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01:10:12,293 --> 01:10:14,532
Speaker 3: There's only one of us that's been at radio HEARDECHI here.

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01:10:14,692 --> 01:10:18,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well someone seid the W word three times, Tyler,

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01:10:18,812 --> 01:10:20,253
Speaker 2: you just can't say winker on the radio.

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Speaker 12: Mate.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, rod HII A very good thank you.

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01:10:26,612 --> 01:10:28,732
Speaker 2: You recently had a problem at language at all? Oh

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01:10:28,772 --> 01:10:30,732
Speaker 2: good on. You're right, I appreciate that. Let's keep it clean.

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01:10:30,812 --> 01:10:34,372
Speaker 2: You're up in the standards. Right, hey, right, your your

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01:10:34,452 --> 01:10:36,253
Speaker 2: wife recently at a problem on booking dot com.

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01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:39,412
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're booking a combination at the moment actually for

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01:10:39,492 --> 01:10:43,012
Speaker 10: a forthcoming trip to Europe, and we've booked a bunch

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01:10:43,093 --> 01:10:46,372
Speaker 10: of places through booking dot Com. This one particular was

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Speaker 10: in Paris and it looked it looked quite nice, probably

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Speaker 10: a bit too good to be true, a flash apartment

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01:10:51,013 --> 01:10:54,892
Speaker 10: close to the Sener city. So we ran Booking dot

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Speaker 10: Com said is this like a proper legitimate provider and

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01:10:59,372 --> 01:11:02,293
Speaker 10: they said yep, yet were good, so we because they

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01:11:02,333 --> 01:11:03,812
Speaker 10: want us to pay. We had to pay up front

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01:11:03,853 --> 01:11:06,892
Speaker 10: about fifteen hundred dollars, so we went ahead, paid the money,

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01:11:06,933 --> 01:11:09,293
Speaker 10: and then a week later we got this cancer and

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01:11:09,412 --> 01:11:12,333
Speaker 10: of course the places disappears.

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01:11:12,532 --> 01:11:15,893
Speaker 4: It's off booking dot Com. Now there's no sign of it.

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01:11:16,013 --> 01:11:20,532
Speaker 10: So we chased up with Booking dot Com and they

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01:11:21,893 --> 01:11:24,692
Speaker 10: they kind of been a little bit helpful, but not

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01:11:26,173 --> 01:11:27,532
Speaker 10: so we're trying to get the money through them and

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01:11:27,572 --> 01:11:30,092
Speaker 10: feeling that we're going through the bank as well. Aids

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Speaker 10: that have been really good, that lay very very supportive,

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01:11:32,933 --> 01:11:35,772
Speaker 10: but we have to wait I think twenty one days.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's insane because so they don't even need

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01:11:38,812 --> 01:11:40,852
Speaker 2: to stand on if the place doesn't exist. I mean,

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01:11:40,893 --> 01:11:42,612
Speaker 2: that's the end of the argument. Give them money back,

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01:11:44,532 --> 01:11:46,572
Speaker 2: conneted you with a place that doesn't exist, and cut

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01:11:46,652 --> 01:11:49,372
Speaker 2: the ticket. That's that end of argument. They're done.

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01:11:50,412 --> 01:11:53,532
Speaker 10: And not only they told us when we rang before

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01:11:53,572 --> 01:11:56,052
Speaker 10: paying the money, they said it's all legit, go ahead.

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Speaker 10: So they have record of our conversations. Apparently they recorded

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01:12:00,973 --> 01:12:03,293
Speaker 10: their conversations. So we said, we'll go back listen to

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01:12:03,372 --> 01:12:08,852
Speaker 10: your conversations. It's in there somewhere and the gain through

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01:12:08,893 --> 01:12:11,172
Speaker 10: that process, but we don't have a lot of confidence

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01:12:11,253 --> 01:12:11,812
Speaker 10: put it their way.

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01:12:12,692 --> 01:12:15,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess it's you know within New Zealand

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01:12:15,412 --> 01:12:17,652
Speaker 2: that you can just go straight to the to the

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01:12:17,732 --> 01:12:21,372
Speaker 2: website of the place. But you know what I mean,

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01:12:21,612 --> 01:12:24,532
Speaker 2: you probably could do that in Powis right. I've never

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Speaker 2: booked a hotel over on online in Paris, but you know,

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01:12:29,013 --> 01:12:32,452
Speaker 2: would you back yourself to see the place on booking

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01:12:32,492 --> 01:12:34,372
Speaker 2: dot com then go to the actual website of the

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01:12:34,412 --> 01:12:35,612
Speaker 2: place and book it directly.

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01:12:36,452 --> 01:12:38,692
Speaker 10: Yeah, we are looking at booking another place, of course.

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01:12:38,732 --> 01:12:39,052
Speaker 4: Slowly.

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Speaker 10: Websites for the hotels in Paris are and French. You

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01:12:42,253 --> 01:12:45,052
Speaker 10: can translate them so there. There is the language problem,

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01:12:45,133 --> 01:12:47,933
Speaker 10: but we're also we have booked some other places on

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01:12:47,973 --> 01:12:50,692
Speaker 10: booking dot Com where you don't have to pay up front. Yeah,

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01:12:51,093 --> 01:12:52,612
Speaker 10: we just hope that when we get there there we

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01:12:52,692 --> 01:12:54,812
Speaker 10: are have some more to building there.

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Speaker 2: It's essential, it's essential for accommodation. Yeah, yeah, at existing

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01:12:59,812 --> 01:13:02,293
Speaker 2: is that is the absolute base for me. You know,

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01:13:02,452 --> 01:13:04,133
Speaker 2: before I worry about the quality of the place. I

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01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:06,812
Speaker 2: want it so high demand, but yeah, I want to exist.

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01:13:06,893 --> 01:13:09,013
Speaker 2: This text is Booking dot Com good? I use them

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01:13:09,013 --> 01:13:14,253
Speaker 2: all the time, and this stick says one second, mate,

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01:13:14,293 --> 01:13:16,892
Speaker 2: I'm in sales, says Ben, and I travel three nights

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01:13:16,893 --> 01:13:19,173
Speaker 2: away a week. Always use booking dot Com. I'm now

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01:13:19,253 --> 01:13:24,052
Speaker 2: at genius Genie's three level their reward system and roughly

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01:13:24,093 --> 01:13:26,653
Speaker 2: save twenty percent now and I get free breakfasts.

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01:13:26,973 --> 01:13:27,333
Speaker 1: Here you go.

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01:13:27,532 --> 01:13:29,972
Speaker 2: And it sounds like all his places have existed. Hey,

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01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:32,772
Speaker 2: I've used Booking dot Com maybe more than five hundred times,

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01:13:32,853 --> 01:13:35,093
Speaker 2: never had an issue. You can't say don't use them

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01:13:35,133 --> 01:13:38,053
Speaker 2: because of the odd scam. It's up to the user

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01:13:38,093 --> 01:13:41,093
Speaker 2: to decide. It's easy. Shows you how many reviews each

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Speaker 2: motel has had. Thanks this texter. Yeah, what's what's the

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01:13:46,013 --> 01:13:50,532
Speaker 2: Latin for buyerbware. Good question. I don't know. I wish

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01:13:50,612 --> 01:13:52,932
Speaker 2: I did. Oh one hundred and eighty to eighty. If

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01:13:52,933 --> 01:13:58,052
Speaker 2: you know a nine to nine two? Uh, it's caveat impdoor,

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01:13:58,133 --> 01:14:00,652
Speaker 2: isn't it? Yes, that's it, there's a mark.

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Speaker 3: You are also someone who uses Booking dot Com on

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01:14:03,732 --> 01:14:05,173
Speaker 3: a fear fairly regular basis.

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Speaker 11: Yep, hey, fellows, how are you good?

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01:14:08,412 --> 01:14:10,812
Speaker 2: Great? Thanks fella, excellent.

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01:14:11,372 --> 01:14:15,892
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I'm away for work probably five days a week,

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01:14:17,532 --> 01:14:20,852
Speaker 11: all year round, all through Australia and New Zealand, and

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01:14:21,253 --> 01:14:25,492
Speaker 11: use those sites so they all end together. Hotels dot Com,

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01:14:25,532 --> 01:14:27,572
Speaker 11: Booking dot Com, they're all the same, Expedia, they're all

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01:14:27,612 --> 01:14:32,652
Speaker 11: the same company. Never ever had a problem if I've

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01:14:32,692 --> 01:14:35,492
Speaker 11: had to cancel, even if it's a non cancelation policy,

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01:14:36,133 --> 01:14:39,333
Speaker 11: even if I'd had to leave a day early. You

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01:14:39,532 --> 01:14:42,012
Speaker 11: deal with the motel direct, and if they're a good motel,

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01:14:42,093 --> 01:14:44,293
Speaker 11: they'll give you the money back. But if there are

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01:14:45,093 --> 01:14:47,092
Speaker 11: Generally the only problems I have is in New Zealand

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01:14:47,173 --> 01:14:53,532
Speaker 11: with motalias that are so forthcoming, I guess they won't

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01:14:53,532 --> 01:14:56,253
Speaker 11: give you your money back. But anywhere else, if you

1448
01:14:56,372 --> 01:14:58,852
Speaker 11: check out a day earlier, they'll credit it back to

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01:14:58,893 --> 01:15:03,093
Speaker 11: your account. I get rewards nights, and that's why I

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01:15:03,213 --> 01:15:06,652
Speaker 11: use them. So I stay in hotels every week, and

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01:15:06,853 --> 01:15:10,293
Speaker 11: then I can go to Raura for Christmas, stay in

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01:15:10,333 --> 01:15:15,572
Speaker 11: a five star resort, breakfast included, beach front room, beside

1453
01:15:15,612 --> 01:15:17,852
Speaker 11: the swallowing pool, whatever you want. And my last trip

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01:15:17,933 --> 01:15:20,492
Speaker 11: cost me fifty dollars because I use my reward nights.

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01:15:20,572 --> 01:15:23,532
Speaker 11: So never had never had a problem with these guys,

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01:15:23,652 --> 01:15:27,572
Speaker 11: like I haven't experienced Europe like some of your other

1457
01:15:27,652 --> 01:15:31,412
Speaker 11: text messages and callers have been talking about. But as

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01:15:31,452 --> 01:15:34,772
Speaker 11: far as Australia and New Zealand go, I can't vault

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01:15:34,853 --> 01:15:38,173
Speaker 11: these these companies like good. And when people like the

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01:15:38,293 --> 01:15:40,772
Speaker 11: hotelier says to me, why are you using Why ain't

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01:15:40,772 --> 01:15:43,173
Speaker 11: you ring us direct? We can do a better price,

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01:15:43,853 --> 01:15:46,732
Speaker 11: ninety nine percent of the time the hotel actually can't

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01:15:46,812 --> 01:15:47,612
Speaker 11: do a better price.

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01:15:49,293 --> 01:15:52,133
Speaker 2: I really We've been getting a lot of hoteliers and

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01:15:52,572 --> 01:15:57,692
Speaker 2: motelias saying that they always match the price.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, because I'm a platinum member with the Ideal through,

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01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:08,013
Speaker 11: so I get a discount. So and when there's one

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01:16:08,053 --> 01:16:10,333
Speaker 11: place that I'll always go to with work, and they

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01:16:10,412 --> 01:16:12,013
Speaker 11: keep saying to me, just bring us up, we'll do

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01:16:12,053 --> 01:16:15,052
Speaker 11: a better deal. And I'll always look at the price

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01:16:15,133 --> 01:16:18,972
Speaker 11: on the website through my booking site and then bring

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01:16:19,053 --> 01:16:22,492
Speaker 11: them up saying I'm coming for two weeks. What's the price?

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01:16:24,372 --> 01:16:27,333
Speaker 11: They remember who I am, et cetera. It's still cheaper

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01:16:27,372 --> 01:16:29,052
Speaker 11: for me to go through my booking agency.

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01:16:29,933 --> 01:16:31,812
Speaker 2: Mark if you don't mind me asking what business are

1476
01:16:31,853 --> 01:16:33,532
Speaker 2: you in that you're away five nights a week.

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01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:39,493
Speaker 11: I installed for tea cameras around New Zealand and Australia

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01:16:40,933 --> 01:16:44,053
Speaker 11: when they want to sleep. So yeah, keeping keeping New

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01:16:44,133 --> 01:16:45,052
Speaker 11: Zealand roads safe.

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01:16:45,412 --> 01:16:48,972
Speaker 2: Good on you. And do you get what's a life

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01:16:49,093 --> 01:16:51,652
Speaker 2: like that? Like? You know, what's what's your home life like?

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01:16:53,532 --> 01:16:55,333
Speaker 11: You do get sick a living and motels?

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01:16:55,372 --> 01:16:57,133
Speaker 2: I can tell you that, yeah, And what are the

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01:16:57,173 --> 01:16:57,732
Speaker 2: breakies like?

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01:16:57,853 --> 01:16:59,932
Speaker 3: Is it mostly continental or a little bit of step

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01:16:59,973 --> 01:17:01,253
Speaker 3: above some buffet options?

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01:17:02,333 --> 01:17:05,732
Speaker 11: No, they're all buffet options. I generally do it too much,

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01:17:05,853 --> 01:17:09,612
Speaker 11: but no, it's good. You know she used to traveling.

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01:17:09,692 --> 01:17:11,492
Speaker 11: You know the places to book and know the places

1490
01:17:11,572 --> 01:17:13,412
Speaker 11: not to book as well, so you definitely know you

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01:17:13,532 --> 01:17:15,732
Speaker 11: if it comes up and it's one hundred dollars a night,

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01:17:16,532 --> 01:17:17,412
Speaker 11: definitely don't book that.

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01:17:17,612 --> 01:17:20,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So you think these people that's the in

1494
01:17:20,692 --> 01:17:25,692
Speaker 2: the cargo mother who's booked these tickets to Wanica and

1495
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:28,692
Speaker 2: the spent twenty seven and twenty one dollars and the

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01:17:28,692 --> 01:17:31,293
Speaker 2: place doesn't exist. You think that's a rare event in

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01:17:31,372 --> 01:17:32,412
Speaker 2: Australia and New Zealand.

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01:17:34,452 --> 01:17:36,532
Speaker 11: I think so, as I say, I use it weekly.

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01:17:36,692 --> 01:17:39,612
Speaker 11: So yeah, never had a problem. And as a rare event,

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Speaker 11: you know, they're scammers everywhere. I mean, you just jump

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01:17:41,612 --> 01:17:43,893
Speaker 11: onto Tima or anything else you'd like. You you know,

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01:17:44,013 --> 01:17:46,932
Speaker 11: you order a ten dollars a ten dollars spotlight which

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01:17:47,013 --> 01:17:49,053
Speaker 11: is normally three thousand dollars here in New Zealand for

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01:17:49,093 --> 01:17:52,732
Speaker 11: an led light bar for your highlucks. You just know

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01:17:52,893 --> 01:17:54,692
Speaker 11: that's not going to You know that it's not going

1506
01:17:54,772 --> 01:17:55,412
Speaker 11: to tune up right.

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01:17:57,812 --> 01:17:59,692
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call mark, appreciate that.

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01:17:59,893 --> 01:18:01,732
Speaker 3: Great cal We're going to carry this on after three

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01:18:01,772 --> 01:18:03,893
Speaker 3: o'clock eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1510
01:18:03,973 --> 01:18:04,452
Speaker 3: number to call.

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01:18:04,532 --> 01:18:06,852
Speaker 2: Text here. I missed the Travago girl. I'd agree with that.

1512
01:18:07,053 --> 01:18:07,572
Speaker 2: She was lovely.

1513
01:18:07,732 --> 01:18:10,293
Speaker 3: She's like the Goes lady, absolutely lovely. Yeah, we missed

1514
01:18:10,293 --> 01:18:12,772
Speaker 3: the Cravago girl. Keen to hear your stories though New

1515
01:18:12,973 --> 01:18:15,973
Speaker 3: Sport and weather is coming up. Great to have your

1516
01:18:15,973 --> 01:18:18,932
Speaker 3: company is always you listening to meton Tyler which you go, yeah,

1517
01:18:19,013 --> 01:18:19,652
Speaker 3: come back.

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01:18:22,853 --> 01:18:27,132
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matty

1519
01:18:27,412 --> 01:18:31,253
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk sebby.

1520
01:18:32,213 --> 01:18:33,013
Speaker 2: Gat A to you.

1521
01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:36,093
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show, seven past three, having a

1522
01:18:36,133 --> 01:18:37,572
Speaker 3: great chat about booking dot com.

1523
01:18:37,893 --> 01:18:41,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right after that's poor, that's poor. This's terrible,

1524
01:18:41,893 --> 01:18:46,213
Speaker 2: the terrible, the shocking, socking, shocking situation, unreal ringing. You're

1525
01:18:46,253 --> 01:18:49,973
Speaker 2: a couple. I'm booked a through booking dot Com to

1526
01:18:50,053 --> 01:18:52,892
Speaker 2: go to war Birds over Wonka. Turn up, they pay

1527
01:18:52,933 --> 01:18:55,852
Speaker 2: two on twenty seven twenty one dollars, just getting the details,

1528
01:18:55,893 --> 01:18:57,652
Speaker 2: looking around from a bit of paper, Ye, trying to

1529
01:18:57,933 --> 01:19:00,933
Speaker 2: you do it well and they turn up in the

1530
01:19:00,933 --> 01:19:04,133
Speaker 2: place doesn't exist. I should laugh.

1531
01:19:04,173 --> 01:19:05,972
Speaker 3: I shouldn't laugh at that. I mean I really feel

1532
01:19:06,013 --> 01:19:08,333
Speaker 3: for them. That seems like an incredible show, the Warbirds

1533
01:19:08,372 --> 01:19:08,972
Speaker 3: over Wanakah.

1534
01:19:09,013 --> 01:19:13,293
Speaker 2: And so we started this show this topic about half

1535
01:19:13,293 --> 01:19:14,612
Speaker 2: an hour ago, and there was a lot of people

1536
01:19:14,612 --> 01:19:16,293
Speaker 2: coming in and saying that they had problems. But then

1537
01:19:16,333 --> 01:19:18,973
Speaker 2: there's been a huge wave of people pushing back and

1538
01:19:19,053 --> 01:19:21,652
Speaker 2: saying that Booking dot Com rules. I agree with Mark,

1539
01:19:21,732 --> 01:19:23,652
Speaker 2: never had an issue with Booking dot Com and agree

1540
01:19:23,692 --> 01:19:26,532
Speaker 2: that the cost is often better even without platinum stass.

1541
01:19:26,772 --> 01:19:29,333
Speaker 2: Only thing I would add is that we always confirm

1542
01:19:29,412 --> 01:19:32,372
Speaker 2: directly with the hotel moteil prior to departure to make

1543
01:19:32,452 --> 01:19:36,692
Speaker 2: sure the booking exists. You see, that's smart. So I

1544
01:19:36,812 --> 01:19:39,972
Speaker 2: agree booking director is never cheaper. Don't know how when

1545
01:19:40,053 --> 01:19:43,133
Speaker 2: Booking dot Com takes a commission. So I'd like to

1546
01:19:43,173 --> 01:19:46,173
Speaker 2: hear from people on that that you know, the moteliers

1547
01:19:46,253 --> 01:19:50,213
Speaker 2: and hoteliers, because you know, we've got some texts through

1548
01:19:50,213 --> 01:19:52,133
Speaker 2: saying that if you ring them directly, if you see

1549
01:19:52,173 --> 01:19:54,412
Speaker 2: them on booking dot Com and then you go to

1550
01:19:54,492 --> 01:19:56,532
Speaker 2: the website and you get hold them directly and say

1551
01:19:56,612 --> 01:19:58,892
Speaker 2: this is what the Booking dot Com price is, they

1552
01:19:59,013 --> 01:20:02,452
Speaker 2: say that they will that they will match that price

1553
01:20:02,532 --> 01:20:04,253
Speaker 2: because they don't have to pay the Booking dot Com

1554
01:20:05,053 --> 01:20:08,652
Speaker 2: overhead whatever it is, which makes sense commission. Yeah, But

1555
01:20:08,933 --> 01:20:10,532
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying that's not true. If you're

1556
01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:12,012
Speaker 2: a hotelier, what is the truth.

1557
01:20:12,133 --> 01:20:15,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a hotelier, motalia, if you provide accommodation,

1558
01:20:15,812 --> 01:20:17,692
Speaker 3: we've got full boards at the moment, but teached us

1559
01:20:17,732 --> 01:20:19,812
Speaker 3: through nine two ninety two and Andrew will give you

1560
01:20:19,812 --> 01:20:20,333
Speaker 3: a call back.

1561
01:20:20,772 --> 01:20:24,012
Speaker 2: Really keen to hear from you. The text says, stop

1562
01:20:24,133 --> 01:20:25,493
Speaker 2: laughing at people's misfortune.

1563
01:20:25,692 --> 01:20:29,372
Speaker 3: Everybody laughs at my misfortune, particularly Matt Heath. So if

1564
01:20:29,412 --> 01:20:30,293
Speaker 3: I get a little bit.

1565
01:20:30,293 --> 01:20:32,772
Speaker 2: My way, I like someone that will text telling someone

1566
01:20:32,853 --> 01:20:37,133
Speaker 2: to do something. Stop laughing at people's misfortune. See, that's

1567
01:20:37,213 --> 01:20:39,732
Speaker 2: just going to make me laugh at people's misfortune. That's

1568
01:20:39,812 --> 01:20:43,213
Speaker 2: a that's a that's a silly text. That's Karen, Welcome

1569
01:20:43,213 --> 01:20:46,492
Speaker 2: to the show, Hillari, How are you very good? Thank

1570
01:20:46,532 --> 01:20:50,133
Speaker 2: you so much for calling so booking dot com.

1571
01:20:51,412 --> 01:20:52,732
Speaker 21: Yeah, So I.

1572
01:20:53,093 --> 01:20:59,132
Speaker 19: Booked a property through their site, checked it out. Everything

1573
01:20:59,253 --> 01:21:01,812
Speaker 19: looked absolutely legit with the property.

1574
01:21:03,173 --> 01:21:03,852
Speaker 5: Once I.

1575
01:21:05,452 --> 01:21:07,972
Speaker 19: Checked my email that said that it required a fifty

1576
01:21:07,973 --> 01:21:12,812
Speaker 19: percent deposit to secure that booking, and so I thought, okay,

1577
01:21:13,732 --> 01:21:18,532
Speaker 19: hadn't really paid any deposits prior to like through other

1578
01:21:18,612 --> 01:21:21,093
Speaker 19: bookings that I had made, but didn't think too much

1579
01:21:21,213 --> 01:21:24,132
Speaker 19: of it because it had all come through their platform

1580
01:21:25,492 --> 01:21:30,812
Speaker 19: via their chat ap. I received information via the chat

1581
01:21:30,893 --> 01:21:34,732
Speaker 19: at saying they require a fifty percent deposit or I

1582
01:21:34,853 --> 01:21:38,093
Speaker 19: could pay the property in full and get tencent off,

1583
01:21:38,612 --> 01:21:40,973
Speaker 19: so I thought, oh, yeah, okay. The booking was the

1584
01:21:41,173 --> 01:21:47,093
Speaker 19: Arrowtown and I decided I decided to pay it in

1585
01:21:47,213 --> 01:21:48,893
Speaker 19: full because it was only about a week and a

1586
01:21:48,933 --> 01:21:51,452
Speaker 19: half out, and I thought, oh yeah, okay, and I'd

1587
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:56,013
Speaker 19: never had any issues prior, so paid the property and

1588
01:21:56,133 --> 01:22:00,852
Speaker 19: then within forty eight hours, the either Booking dot Com

1589
01:22:01,412 --> 01:22:08,492
Speaker 19: or the proprietor of the property canceled that booking. So

1590
01:22:08,652 --> 01:22:12,173
Speaker 19: I got onto Booking dot Com. I tried to took

1591
01:22:12,333 --> 01:22:14,612
Speaker 19: hours to try find the phone number, try to get

1592
01:22:14,692 --> 01:22:17,812
Speaker 19: through to anybody who could give me some information. And

1593
01:22:17,893 --> 01:22:20,333
Speaker 19: they said, oh, no, the property has been canceled. And

1594
01:22:20,372 --> 01:22:23,852
Speaker 19: I said, that's not the issue. I've paid for this property.

1595
01:22:24,452 --> 01:22:27,652
Speaker 19: So they said, yeah, okay, well we can. We'll get

1596
01:22:27,652 --> 01:22:30,213
Speaker 19: your money back. But I had to try and dispute it.

1597
01:22:31,973 --> 01:22:34,253
Speaker 19: I had to try to dispute this through the bank,

1598
01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:37,533
Speaker 19: et cetera. But I sent through all of my paperwork

1599
01:22:37,692 --> 01:22:41,613
Speaker 19: to them with the bank details, all of the information.

1600
01:22:43,333 --> 01:22:48,333
Speaker 19: Then it's been hours and hours and hours back forth

1601
01:22:48,492 --> 01:22:53,812
Speaker 19: back forth. It's been six weeks now and in the

1602
01:22:53,933 --> 01:22:58,812
Speaker 19: last week they have actually blocked access to my account.

1603
01:23:00,772 --> 01:23:05,933
Speaker 19: So they've blocked access to my account today actually, and

1604
01:23:06,093 --> 01:23:10,013
Speaker 19: I've only called because Marm listens to you and she's like,

1605
01:23:10,093 --> 01:23:11,732
Speaker 19: you need to get on the phone and give these

1606
01:23:11,812 --> 01:23:12,572
Speaker 19: people a cool.

1607
01:23:14,692 --> 01:23:14,972
Speaker 17: Im.

1608
01:23:16,213 --> 01:23:16,932
Speaker 13: She'll be listening.

1609
01:23:17,532 --> 01:23:21,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jenny, Hey, Jenny, on your Jenny.

1610
01:23:23,133 --> 01:23:23,572
Speaker 13: So yeah.

1611
01:23:23,732 --> 01:23:25,053
Speaker 7: And this morning I.

1612
01:23:25,213 --> 01:23:29,772
Speaker 19: Rang spent twenty minutes waiting on the phone because I

1613
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:35,452
Speaker 19: had sent like every single email that I send, I

1614
01:23:35,532 --> 01:23:38,812
Speaker 19: get no reply. I'm back on the phone going have

1615
01:23:38,973 --> 01:23:43,372
Speaker 19: you got my documents? Then I got information saying yes,

1616
01:23:43,452 --> 01:23:46,293
Speaker 19: we've got your documents, and then it's no, we don't

1617
01:23:46,372 --> 01:23:51,133
Speaker 19: have your documents. And the information is so inconsistent, and

1618
01:23:51,213 --> 01:23:55,293
Speaker 19: I've had no clarity throughout this whole process. Every single

1619
01:23:55,372 --> 01:23:57,532
Speaker 19: person I speak to, I'm having to repeat the story

1620
01:23:57,692 --> 01:24:00,973
Speaker 19: again and again and again. I've been cut off on

1621
01:24:01,093 --> 01:24:06,333
Speaker 19: the phone probably four or five times after you explain

1622
01:24:06,412 --> 01:24:09,572
Speaker 19: the situation and then you cut off. This morning, I rang,

1623
01:24:09,772 --> 01:24:12,933
Speaker 19: I was hung up on this morning, and then I

1624
01:24:13,133 --> 01:24:15,612
Speaker 19: rang again this afternoon when I had a bit of

1625
01:24:15,652 --> 01:24:18,492
Speaker 19: a break another twenty minutes. Then the person was like, oh,

1626
01:24:18,532 --> 01:24:21,852
Speaker 19: we can't hear you. I can't hear you on the phone,

1627
01:24:21,893 --> 01:24:24,852
Speaker 19: And I could hear kind of a little bit of feedback,

1628
01:24:25,053 --> 01:24:28,893
Speaker 19: and you could almost like hear the person pausing to

1629
01:24:28,973 --> 01:24:31,452
Speaker 19: wait for me to talk, and they said, oh, we'll

1630
01:24:31,492 --> 01:24:34,412
Speaker 19: give you a call. We'll call you back on this number.

1631
01:24:34,532 --> 01:24:37,133
Speaker 19: Keep your line free. But I know that I won't

1632
01:24:37,173 --> 01:24:41,412
Speaker 19: hear from them. But they haven't taken any responsibility that

1633
01:24:41,532 --> 01:24:45,492
Speaker 19: the actual property is fraudulent. So the property itself is

1634
01:24:45,893 --> 01:24:49,932
Speaker 19: for sale at the moment, and the people that were

1635
01:24:50,612 --> 01:24:53,852
Speaker 19: the agents that are selling it, they apparently had we

1636
01:24:53,973 --> 01:24:56,333
Speaker 19: got in contact with them, they had tried to get

1637
01:24:56,412 --> 01:25:00,492
Speaker 19: that listing removed and Booking dot Com didn't want to

1638
01:25:00,532 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 19: know about it. Then the listing finally was removed. It

1639
01:25:04,333 --> 01:25:07,213
Speaker 19: took a couple of weeks for that listing. It was

1640
01:25:07,253 --> 01:25:11,372
Speaker 19: still on my booking app at south but it took

1641
01:25:11,412 --> 01:25:13,293
Speaker 19: a couple of weeks for them to take that off

1642
01:25:13,412 --> 01:25:15,213
Speaker 19: because I said, look, how do I know that my

1643
01:25:15,333 --> 01:25:18,292
Speaker 19: data is secure? How do I know that my information

1644
01:25:18,412 --> 01:25:19,412
Speaker 19: hasn't been fished?

1645
01:25:19,973 --> 01:25:20,133
Speaker 4: You know?

1646
01:25:20,372 --> 01:25:23,492
Speaker 19: And who knows what people are doing with my bank cards?

1647
01:25:23,532 --> 01:25:25,892
Speaker 19: So all of that had to get canceled and it's

1648
01:25:25,933 --> 01:25:28,372
Speaker 19: been an absolute nightmare. I would never ever book with

1649
01:25:28,452 --> 01:25:30,652
Speaker 19: them ever again. I'm still in a fight with them

1650
01:25:30,772 --> 01:25:35,412
Speaker 19: trying to get the money back. It was five hundred

1651
01:25:35,452 --> 01:25:39,732
Speaker 19: and thirty eight dollars so yeah, still trying to get

1652
01:25:39,772 --> 01:25:44,853
Speaker 19: the money back. They just they've taken zero responsibility, accountability,

1653
01:25:45,412 --> 01:25:48,652
Speaker 19: nothing under the consumer guarantees that they don't want to

1654
01:25:48,692 --> 01:25:51,532
Speaker 19: know about it. You're put on hold. It takes half

1655
01:25:51,532 --> 01:25:54,293
Speaker 19: an hour to get through to anybody, and then you

1656
01:25:54,893 --> 01:25:59,692
Speaker 19: just every single time, it's an automated response back saying oh,

1657
01:25:59,772 --> 01:26:02,972
Speaker 19: we're so sorry, We're so sorry miss Taylor or korin

1658
01:26:03,133 --> 01:26:05,093
Speaker 19: for that this has happened to you, And I'm like,

1659
01:26:05,173 --> 01:26:08,132
Speaker 19: I just want my money back. But it's not particularly

1660
01:26:08,372 --> 01:26:09,452
Speaker 19: thing like that it's going to happen.

1661
01:26:09,853 --> 01:26:14,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that sucks. That that is really rough and frustrating.

1662
01:26:14,893 --> 01:26:18,013
Speaker 2: So it can't be too hard to set yourself up

1663
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:21,093
Speaker 2: as a vendor on booking dot com. I guess not.

1664
01:26:21,253 --> 01:26:23,572
Speaker 3: There's not too many checks and balances, so.

1665
01:26:23,612 --> 01:26:26,572
Speaker 2: You don't actually prove that you own the property or

1666
01:26:27,532 --> 01:26:29,452
Speaker 2: you know, you can just tap it up, you know,

1667
01:26:29,612 --> 01:26:31,812
Speaker 2: is it like a Facebook profile. It's interesting and then

1668
01:26:31,853 --> 01:26:33,732
Speaker 2: the money goes in. It seems like it seems rife

1669
01:26:33,853 --> 01:26:37,173
Speaker 2: with scamming, but there are just so many people texting

1670
01:26:37,213 --> 01:26:40,532
Speaker 2: through saying that they absolutely love it. Yeah, so maybe

1671
01:26:40,572 --> 01:26:42,452
Speaker 2: it's one of those situations. If you use it, you

1672
01:26:42,612 --> 01:26:46,133
Speaker 2: have to use it to your advantage and poor Corn

1673
01:26:46,173 --> 01:26:49,053
Speaker 2: that that that sucks. But but in future, if you're

1674
01:26:49,133 --> 01:26:51,932
Speaker 2: using it, you So many people are saying, I use

1675
01:26:51,973 --> 01:26:53,933
Speaker 2: booking dot Com, but I make sure I call the

1676
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:58,213
Speaker 2: hotel and make sure that the booking exists. Yeah, I

1677
01:26:58,293 --> 01:27:00,652
Speaker 2: mean it's kind of you know, it sucks obviously because

1678
01:27:00,732 --> 01:27:02,053
Speaker 2: you'd like to just get it done.

1679
01:27:02,293 --> 01:27:05,013
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But I like the idea of using booking dot

1680
01:27:05,093 --> 01:27:07,333
Speaker 3: Com to find that hotel and like you do, and

1681
01:27:07,452 --> 01:27:09,532
Speaker 3: then to wring them and do the dirty on Booking

1682
01:27:09,572 --> 01:27:11,492
Speaker 3: dot Com because it sounds like the Booking dot Com

1683
01:27:11,612 --> 01:27:14,133
Speaker 3: is doing the dirty on good people like Corn. So

1684
01:27:14,772 --> 01:27:16,892
Speaker 3: use the platform to your advantage and don't give them money.

1685
01:27:16,933 --> 01:27:18,772
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty though, if you're a

1686
01:27:18,812 --> 01:27:21,053
Speaker 3: big fan of Booking dot Com, love to hear from you.

1687
01:27:21,293 --> 01:27:25,572
Speaker 3: It is a quarter past three news talk zby very

1688
01:27:25,612 --> 01:27:26,372
Speaker 3: good afternoon to you.

1689
01:27:26,973 --> 01:27:29,572
Speaker 2: Here's a hotelier who says, I always give my guests

1690
01:27:29,652 --> 01:27:33,973
Speaker 2: a better price for direct customers. After all, then I

1691
01:27:34,133 --> 01:27:37,532
Speaker 2: don't need to pay the commission, GST, etcetera. Says Sharon.

1692
01:27:37,772 --> 01:27:40,013
Speaker 2: I'm not sure she's a halliet hotelier. I don't know

1693
01:27:40,053 --> 01:27:43,052
Speaker 2: what kind of place she runs, but yes, she always

1694
01:27:43,173 --> 01:27:46,333
Speaker 2: gives guests that rang the director the price that's on

1695
01:27:46,452 --> 01:27:47,093
Speaker 2: booking dot Com.

1696
01:27:47,612 --> 01:27:49,852
Speaker 3: And this one says, kDa, guys, I can't see how

1697
01:27:49,933 --> 01:27:52,013
Speaker 3: you can be a fake profile with booking dot Com.

1698
01:27:52,093 --> 01:27:53,893
Speaker 3: I rent out my place when I'm not there. I

1699
01:27:54,013 --> 01:27:57,412
Speaker 3: had to provide proof of ownership and verify bank details,

1700
01:27:57,452 --> 01:27:59,772
Speaker 3: et cetera. Booking dot Com collects the money and pays

1701
01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:03,052
Speaker 3: the vendor a month after the stay day. I would

1702
01:28:03,093 --> 01:28:08,293
Speaker 3: recommend only using with vendors with genius status ensures everyone

1703
01:28:08,532 --> 01:28:11,253
Speaker 3: safety all around. Heard a lot about that genius status

1704
01:28:11,333 --> 01:28:12,492
Speaker 3: gets you free bricky apparently.

1705
01:28:13,013 --> 01:28:14,852
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So I tell you what, I'm a big

1706
01:28:14,933 --> 01:28:18,213
Speaker 2: fan of these days. I went away from them, now

1707
01:28:18,213 --> 01:28:22,532
Speaker 2: I'm back with them. Okay. Travel agents, travel agents, travel agents.

1708
01:28:23,013 --> 01:28:24,772
Speaker 2: They just sort the whole thing out, and you've got

1709
01:28:24,812 --> 01:28:27,173
Speaker 2: a direct content and you want to make changes, you

1710
01:28:27,213 --> 01:28:30,652
Speaker 2: want to do everything. It just takes everything out of

1711
01:28:30,772 --> 01:28:33,452
Speaker 2: the out of your hands instead of being your own

1712
01:28:33,492 --> 01:28:36,133
Speaker 2: travel agent going around researching, finding things.

1713
01:28:36,853 --> 01:28:38,932
Speaker 3: You know, it's just a broker for your holiday, isn't

1714
01:28:38,933 --> 01:28:39,253
Speaker 3: it really?

1715
01:28:39,372 --> 01:28:39,572
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1716
01:28:39,692 --> 01:28:39,892
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1717
01:28:40,133 --> 01:28:42,053
Speaker 3: How do they actually get paid? I think it's a

1718
01:28:42,093 --> 01:28:43,213
Speaker 3: little bit of commission based.

1719
01:28:43,532 --> 01:28:47,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean it must be, but I'm

1720
01:28:47,452 --> 01:28:50,532
Speaker 2: loving I'm organizing a big trip at the moment. Yeah,

1721
01:28:50,732 --> 01:28:53,053
Speaker 2: travel agent all the way, freaking love it. We're you

1722
01:28:53,093 --> 01:28:53,333
Speaker 2: off to?

1723
01:28:53,772 --> 01:28:53,932
Speaker 12: Hey?

1724
01:28:54,053 --> 01:28:56,012
Speaker 2: We' are you off to? Where's a big trip? Ieyr

1725
01:28:56,053 --> 01:28:57,973
Speaker 2: business man. I'll talk to your travel agent. Oh eight

1726
01:28:57,973 --> 01:29:01,572
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty eighty, you are not coming, tailand Ross,

1727
01:29:02,013 --> 01:29:03,772
Speaker 2: welcome to the show today.

1728
01:29:04,372 --> 01:29:06,812
Speaker 13: Don't start me on, bloody travel agents. That's another day.

1729
01:29:07,053 --> 01:29:13,452
Speaker 12: Okay, I should make your socks melk mates. I've got

1730
01:29:13,572 --> 01:29:17,372
Speaker 12: two booking through one of those. It's not booking dot

1731
01:29:17,412 --> 01:29:20,293
Speaker 12: com this time is another one running at the moment.

1732
01:29:21,612 --> 01:29:27,372
Speaker 12: Ones in Wellington, On's in Timoru and everything's fine.

1733
01:29:28,133 --> 01:29:31,452
Speaker 13: I did one in Sydney or a few months ago.

1734
01:29:32,412 --> 01:29:33,892
Speaker 13: I must be close to twelve, I suppose.

1735
01:29:34,372 --> 01:29:37,973
Speaker 12: And I got the option to either pay online to

1736
01:29:38,093 --> 01:29:40,333
Speaker 12: the booking company or pay to the hotel when I

1737
01:29:40,372 --> 01:29:40,692
Speaker 12: got there.

1738
01:29:42,213 --> 01:29:43,613
Speaker 4: And I did pay to the hotel.

1739
01:29:43,412 --> 01:29:43,932
Speaker 5: When I got there.

1740
01:29:44,973 --> 01:29:49,933
Speaker 2: Right, do you know what what what organization that was?

1741
01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:54,013
Speaker 13: Ross? Are the one in Sydney? It was booking dot Com.

1742
01:29:54,053 --> 01:29:55,333
Speaker 2: I was booking dot com right, Yeah?

1743
01:29:55,692 --> 01:29:58,572
Speaker 13: The ones I'm using now that because they're all you know,

1744
01:29:58,732 --> 01:30:01,092
Speaker 13: they're competing against each other as bier.

1745
01:30:01,173 --> 01:30:01,572
Speaker 12: I think it is.

1746
01:30:02,452 --> 01:30:04,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so what in the hotels say or what

1747
01:30:04,933 --> 01:30:06,932
Speaker 3: did you say to the hotel when they couldn't match

1748
01:30:07,093 --> 01:30:07,612
Speaker 3: the price?

1749
01:30:07,692 --> 01:30:08,093
Speaker 2: Did you say?

1750
01:30:08,093 --> 01:30:09,852
Speaker 3: What a out the commission? You're not paying any commission

1751
01:30:09,853 --> 01:30:10,532
Speaker 3: to booking dot com.

1752
01:30:10,612 --> 01:30:14,652
Speaker 13: Now, I didn't bother. I didn't bother. No, you know,

1753
01:30:15,213 --> 01:30:17,333
Speaker 13: they made the decision. So that was the end of that.

1754
01:30:19,253 --> 01:30:22,933
Speaker 12: And I might try that on next time. I'm not

1755
01:30:23,053 --> 01:30:25,372
Speaker 12: in the radio business, so I'm not that devious, but.

1756
01:30:25,492 --> 01:30:29,933
Speaker 13: I could try to be. Yeah, but yeah, so no,

1757
01:30:30,013 --> 01:30:36,372
Speaker 13: I'm happy so far. Yeah, I've got I've got a

1758
01:30:36,572 --> 01:30:39,692
Speaker 13: thing from the hotel saying on bookedrim on both of them.

1759
01:30:40,213 --> 01:30:42,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get on yours sometime in the future. I'll

1760
01:30:42,612 --> 01:30:45,412
Speaker 2: get you to mount my socks with the travel agent story. Yeah,

1761
01:30:46,253 --> 01:30:50,852
Speaker 2: I'm wearing Norse wear socks though hard to kiwi wool

1762
01:30:51,213 --> 01:30:55,012
Speaker 2: Jesus and I will take it that that travel agent story,

1763
01:30:55,293 --> 01:30:59,612
Speaker 2: but have to be pretty spicy. Tomount these nor today

1764
01:31:00,093 --> 01:31:02,812
Speaker 2: is the number to call. It is twenty two past three.

1765
01:31:08,133 --> 01:31:11,652
Speaker 1: I'm that heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred

1766
01:31:11,652 --> 01:31:13,852
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on youth Talk zenb.

1767
01:31:14,093 --> 01:31:16,133
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon two twenty four past three. You give

1768
01:31:16,173 --> 01:31:18,253
Speaker 3: you some great stories about the use of Booking dot

1769
01:31:18,333 --> 01:31:20,092
Speaker 3: Com and some not so great stories.

1770
01:31:20,692 --> 01:31:23,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm getting a little laugh because I said,

1771
01:31:23,173 --> 01:31:25,213
Speaker 2: I'm back with the travel agents. Yeah, good on your Matt.

1772
01:31:25,652 --> 01:31:28,812
Speaker 2: We're travel agents, brokers, lots of happy clients who get

1773
01:31:28,893 --> 01:31:31,372
Speaker 2: peace of mind dealing with us cheers. See, that's the thing.

1774
01:31:31,893 --> 01:31:34,973
Speaker 2: I like to just make sure everything's absolutely sordid, and

1775
01:31:35,013 --> 01:31:37,333
Speaker 2: they've I've got a contact that's working for me. So

1776
01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:42,053
Speaker 2: I love a travel agent. Screw going around and researching

1777
01:31:42,253 --> 01:31:45,532
Speaker 2: and looking at places and wondering if they exist or not,

1778
01:31:46,053 --> 01:31:49,293
Speaker 2: and going through dirty third partiers. Just a nickel and

1779
01:31:49,372 --> 01:31:50,932
Speaker 2: dime a few bucks. Although, to be pure, a travel

1780
01:31:50,933 --> 01:31:53,012
Speaker 2: ator is kind of a third partier. But there's someone

1781
01:31:53,093 --> 01:31:54,732
Speaker 2: you know and you get a relationship with them and

1782
01:31:54,772 --> 01:31:56,333
Speaker 2: you can just ring them up and they seem they

1783
01:31:56,412 --> 01:31:59,852
Speaker 2: appear to care. If booking dot Com is genuine and

1784
01:31:59,973 --> 01:32:02,612
Speaker 2: they are getting fake properties through their site, then they

1785
01:32:02,652 --> 01:32:04,852
Speaker 2: should keep the money for a certain timeframe so if

1786
01:32:04,893 --> 01:32:07,333
Speaker 2: anything goes wrong, they can quickly reimburse the customer to

1787
01:32:07,372 --> 01:32:09,893
Speaker 2: save their reputation. Something is going wrong with us. I

1788
01:32:09,973 --> 01:32:11,933
Speaker 2: thought they did. I thought they kept the money for

1789
01:32:13,293 --> 01:32:13,692
Speaker 2: a month.

1790
01:32:14,013 --> 01:32:16,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone did text through when they use their a

1791
01:32:16,652 --> 01:32:18,732
Speaker 3: vendor width Booking dot Com and they said if I

1792
01:32:18,812 --> 01:32:20,772
Speaker 3: can find it that they hold the money for a month.

1793
01:32:20,853 --> 01:32:24,092
Speaker 3: So there's no excuse for this poor couple from Rangiora

1794
01:32:24,093 --> 01:32:25,973
Speaker 3: who have been stitched up by a fake listening.

1795
01:32:26,772 --> 01:32:29,452
Speaker 2: Matt, My travel agent is my wife and she does

1796
01:32:29,532 --> 01:32:33,652
Speaker 2: the absolute best job. And then some stuff that's not

1797
01:32:33,772 --> 01:32:37,053
Speaker 2: for the public. Oh okay, spine interesting, thank you Ray

1798
01:32:37,452 --> 01:32:41,173
Speaker 2: wowooh you guys do have a good time on holiday.

1799
01:32:41,372 --> 01:32:44,372
Speaker 2: That's a great wife you've got there. Ring Kevin, welcome

1800
01:32:44,372 --> 01:32:47,973
Speaker 2: to the church. Hey you have it going goods. You

1801
01:32:48,173 --> 01:32:51,133
Speaker 2: use Booking dot Com? Yeah, I do.

1802
01:32:51,333 --> 01:32:53,572
Speaker 5: We've been using them for a number of years now.

1803
01:32:53,933 --> 01:32:55,973
Speaker 5: Whenever I go on the assession I do was I

1804
01:32:56,173 --> 01:33:00,053
Speaker 5: sel for out having to pay now? So as a

1805
01:33:00,093 --> 01:33:02,852
Speaker 5: previous call said, I only do it, so only pay

1806
01:33:03,013 --> 01:33:05,532
Speaker 5: at the property. Yep, just do a credit card with

1807
01:33:05,652 --> 01:33:09,252
Speaker 5: Booking dot Com just to hold the property and options

1808
01:33:09,372 --> 01:33:12,732
Speaker 5: to cancel without paying. Your phase. Most of the time

1809
01:33:12,732 --> 01:33:15,892
Speaker 5: when we're booking hotels is traveling around for had spawning

1810
01:33:15,933 --> 01:33:18,213
Speaker 5: events and I some reason the team calls out or

1811
01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:20,492
Speaker 5: they get injured. That way, you don't don't get stung

1812
01:33:20,572 --> 01:33:23,452
Speaker 5: with the hotel fee. But what's happened a couple of

1813
01:33:23,532 --> 01:33:26,412
Speaker 5: times recently is then I'll get a phone call actually

1814
01:33:26,572 --> 01:33:29,053
Speaker 5: direct from the hotel offering me a better price with

1815
01:33:29,173 --> 01:33:30,893
Speaker 5: the same turns and conditions.

1816
01:33:30,812 --> 01:33:34,133
Speaker 2: Right right, And I wonder if that's is that being

1817
01:33:34,173 --> 01:33:36,452
Speaker 2: a bit cheeky but naughty from them? Can Booking dot

1818
01:33:36,532 --> 01:33:38,732
Speaker 2: Com have a go at either of you for for

1819
01:33:38,933 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 2: connecting like that.

1820
01:33:41,572 --> 01:33:44,933
Speaker 5: I don't know, but it saves me money and I

1821
01:33:45,013 --> 01:33:47,532
Speaker 5: guess it's saved save the hotel money as well by

1822
01:33:47,612 --> 01:33:48,092
Speaker 5: going direct.

1823
01:33:48,173 --> 01:33:50,532
Speaker 2: Well, they don't have to pay the commission to Booking

1824
01:33:50,692 --> 01:33:54,572
Speaker 2: dot Com. So then they cancel, and they cancel the

1825
01:33:54,612 --> 01:33:56,133
Speaker 2: booking and then send you a direct booking.

1826
01:33:57,093 --> 01:34:01,213
Speaker 5: Wow, I'll cancel the booking and then then book direct

1827
01:34:01,253 --> 01:34:03,173
Speaker 5: with them under the same turns and conditions. I for

1828
01:34:03,293 --> 01:34:05,852
Speaker 5: some reason there's an injury or you can't travel.

1829
01:34:05,933 --> 01:34:12,333
Speaker 2: Then you kids with all these injuries given, well, thankfully.

1830
01:34:12,013 --> 01:34:13,053
Speaker 4: They haven't got that.

1831
01:34:13,293 --> 01:34:16,052
Speaker 5: Used to be athletics. Now it's basketball. The other daughter

1832
01:34:16,133 --> 01:34:18,772
Speaker 5: does dancings that go around for dance competitions around the

1833
01:34:18,812 --> 01:34:19,372
Speaker 5: North Island.

1834
01:34:20,093 --> 01:34:26,812
Speaker 2: But there's a few injuries here and there. What was, so,

1835
01:34:27,532 --> 01:34:32,132
Speaker 2: did you say slid x athletics athletics athletics?

1836
01:34:32,173 --> 01:34:34,532
Speaker 3: I thought like some sort of extreme sport, like they

1837
01:34:34,572 --> 01:34:36,732
Speaker 3: were sledding down hills, and it was they were going

1838
01:34:36,772 --> 01:34:37,253
Speaker 3: over jumps.

1839
01:34:37,293 --> 01:34:38,213
Speaker 2: I thought, there's your problem.

1840
01:34:39,213 --> 01:34:43,213
Speaker 5: No, nothing, nothing that exciting. So traditionally it was Colgo

1841
01:34:43,333 --> 01:34:44,293
Speaker 5: games or something like that.

1842
01:34:44,893 --> 01:34:50,253
Speaker 2: Aslets is the thing. I've just looked at that thanks

1843
01:34:50,293 --> 01:34:53,293
Speaker 2: to you call Vin. It's interesting. So the the hotel goes,

1844
01:34:53,333 --> 01:34:55,213
Speaker 2: I've got this booking through these booking dot Com things,

1845
01:34:55,253 --> 01:34:56,852
Speaker 2: I'm going to play the duty on them, flip around

1846
01:34:56,853 --> 01:34:58,532
Speaker 2: the other side, ring up the client and offer them

1847
01:34:59,173 --> 01:35:02,293
Speaker 2: the same price for that all for that. Who wouldn't

1848
01:35:02,293 --> 01:35:05,092
Speaker 2: say yes if they gave you a better deal? Sharon?

1849
01:35:05,372 --> 01:35:08,412
Speaker 2: Who I called a hotelier before she's in an a

1850
01:35:08,532 --> 01:35:12,213
Speaker 2: BnB owner? Ah okay, sorry, makes sense, Sorry for defaming you.

1851
01:35:13,772 --> 01:35:16,612
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through on nine to nine two.

1852
01:35:17,452 --> 01:35:19,612
Speaker 3: My text machine just melted down, but there was a

1853
01:35:19,692 --> 01:35:23,012
Speaker 3: great text here. Actually we'll get to it after the headlines,

1854
01:35:23,013 --> 01:35:25,293
Speaker 3: because Wendy's standing by what we're taking your calls on, Oh,

1855
01:35:25,372 --> 01:35:28,652
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty do you use booking dot Com?

1856
01:35:28,893 --> 01:35:32,253
Speaker 3: Have you run into any scams and has the hotel

1857
01:35:32,293 --> 01:35:35,013
Speaker 3: called you directly after booking on Booking dot Com and

1858
01:35:35,093 --> 01:35:35,932
Speaker 3: giving you a better deal.

1859
01:35:36,093 --> 01:35:39,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, we still want to talk to a hotelier a Motalia,

1860
01:35:39,772 --> 01:35:44,052
Speaker 2: an AIRBNBA that offers the same deal YEP as Booking

1861
01:35:44,093 --> 01:35:45,333
Speaker 2: dot Com if you took them directly.

1862
01:35:45,372 --> 01:35:47,412
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call.

1863
01:35:47,452 --> 01:35:48,572
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight past three.

1864
01:35:51,372 --> 01:35:52,133
Speaker 1: US Talk said.

1865
01:35:52,173 --> 01:35:55,412
Speaker 15: The headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with

1866
01:35:55,532 --> 01:35:59,652
Speaker 15: a blue bubble. Christchurchwoman fatally shot by police last night

1867
01:36:00,053 --> 01:36:03,532
Speaker 15: was threatening officers with a hunting knife after one shot

1868
01:36:03,612 --> 01:36:05,452
Speaker 15: a man who first brandished the weapon.

1869
01:36:05,812 --> 01:36:07,452
Speaker 2: The man has critical injuries.

1870
01:36:08,333 --> 01:36:11,333
Speaker 15: Health minister says union plans for two days of nursing

1871
01:36:11,412 --> 01:36:15,372
Speaker 15: strikes next month will harm patients. Nurses say hospitals are

1872
01:36:15,452 --> 01:36:19,972
Speaker 15: dangerously understaffed and under resourced, and their employer isn't making changes.

1873
01:36:20,772 --> 01:36:24,412
Speaker 15: Critics say changes the Holicky gold fishing rules allowing commercial

1874
01:36:24,492 --> 01:36:28,212
Speaker 15: fishing and protected zones will only help the seafood industry,

1875
01:36:28,452 --> 01:36:33,052
Speaker 15: not the environment. Kiwis or New Zealand. The electricity authorities

1876
01:36:33,053 --> 01:36:36,772
Speaker 15: announced a deep dive into the energy market after complaints

1877
01:36:36,812 --> 01:36:41,293
Speaker 15: about pricing, contract availability, and claim some businesses via commercial

1878
01:36:41,333 --> 01:36:46,892
Speaker 15: retaliation for criticizing big suppliers work building tip uppers. New

1879
01:36:47,013 --> 01:36:51,173
Speaker 15: Upper Hut Biodiversity Research Center will begin next week. It'll

1880
01:36:51,213 --> 01:36:54,333
Speaker 15: house more than eight hundred and sixty thousand preserved specimens

1881
01:36:54,612 --> 01:36:59,572
Speaker 15: otherwise facing disposal in their current earthquake prone storage. Plus,

1882
01:36:59,652 --> 01:37:02,973
Speaker 15: Jamie Beton reveals the latest venture to simplify pathways to

1883
01:37:03,053 --> 01:37:06,692
Speaker 15: the United States for Kiwis as Trump throws visa bombs.

1884
01:37:06,812 --> 01:37:09,692
Speaker 15: Find out more at endzet here Premium. Now back to

1885
01:37:09,772 --> 01:37:10,412
Speaker 15: Masson Tyler.

1886
01:37:10,612 --> 01:37:14,092
Speaker 3: Thanks Wendy, So found the text that I missed before,

1887
01:37:14,173 --> 01:37:16,372
Speaker 3: and it's a doozy and here it is. My house

1888
01:37:16,652 --> 01:37:19,452
Speaker 3: was fraudulently listed on Booking dot Com last year. Someone

1889
01:37:19,492 --> 01:37:23,173
Speaker 3: had copied the listing from my Airbnb listing, but as

1890
01:37:23,253 --> 01:37:25,452
Speaker 3: that didn't show my address, they had used a different

1891
01:37:25,452 --> 01:37:27,572
Speaker 3: address in the same town. When you looked on Google

1892
01:37:27,652 --> 01:37:30,213
Speaker 3: you could see it was a totally different house. The

1893
01:37:30,452 --> 01:37:33,532
Speaker 3: host was asking people to pay direct I had messages

1894
01:37:33,612 --> 01:37:36,412
Speaker 3: on my Airbnb asking why I was showing it as

1895
01:37:36,452 --> 01:37:38,652
Speaker 3: available on New Year's Eve on Booking dot Com but

1896
01:37:38,812 --> 01:37:41,372
Speaker 3: not on Airbnb. And that's how I found out. When

1897
01:37:41,372 --> 01:37:44,652
Speaker 3: I called Booking dot Com many times in camps, every

1898
01:37:44,732 --> 01:37:47,412
Speaker 3: time repeating the story multiple times, getting cut off, told

1899
01:37:47,452 --> 01:37:50,093
Speaker 3: to email, then getting no response, over and over again.

1900
01:37:50,133 --> 01:37:52,133
Speaker 3: I even contacted someone I know that works for a

1901
01:37:52,213 --> 01:37:54,772
Speaker 3: related company in New Zealand and he sent it to

1902
01:37:54,853 --> 01:37:57,532
Speaker 3: a senior manager in Europe. Even with all of this,

1903
01:37:58,013 --> 01:38:00,972
Speaker 3: it has only just been removed. I would never ever

1904
01:38:01,133 --> 01:38:02,333
Speaker 3: book with booking dot Com.

1905
01:38:02,893 --> 01:38:06,412
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just remembered something this happened to me.

1906
01:38:07,293 --> 01:38:10,532
Speaker 2: I totally forgot. So I was at my house and

1907
01:38:10,572 --> 01:38:12,293
Speaker 2: I got a knock on the door and there was

1908
01:38:12,333 --> 01:38:14,772
Speaker 2: this guy that had just come from India, just got

1909
01:38:14,812 --> 01:38:16,772
Speaker 2: off the plane and he was there with his three kids,

1910
01:38:17,293 --> 01:38:21,293
Speaker 2: and they had booked the house. You're kidding and showed

1911
01:38:21,372 --> 01:38:23,532
Speaker 2: me I don't know what website it was, it wasn't

1912
01:38:23,572 --> 01:38:26,012
Speaker 2: booking dot Com, but showed me picture of the outside

1913
01:38:26,013 --> 01:38:27,452
Speaker 2: of the house, and then he showed me all the

1914
01:38:27,532 --> 01:38:29,932
Speaker 2: rooms from inside the house, which were a different picture.

1915
01:38:30,293 --> 01:38:33,012
Speaker 2: And he was going to me, I've booked this house,

1916
01:38:33,053 --> 01:38:34,932
Speaker 2: and I said, well, no, you haven't, because I don't.

1917
01:38:35,173 --> 01:38:37,173
Speaker 2: I live here. Yeah, this is my house, is my house.

1918
01:38:37,213 --> 01:38:40,293
Speaker 2: This is non renting. He's not listed anywhere. And I

1919
01:38:40,372 --> 01:38:42,293
Speaker 2: felt so sorry for him because he had nowhere to

1920
01:38:42,372 --> 01:38:45,333
Speaker 2: go with his three three kids, and he'd paid, he'd

1921
01:38:45,412 --> 01:38:48,652
Speaker 2: paid for a month or something. He'd paid thousands of dollars.

1922
01:38:49,093 --> 01:38:51,092
Speaker 2: Poor guy. So we were sitting there with all the luggage.

1923
01:38:51,093 --> 01:38:55,173
Speaker 2: There's three kids in time. The luggage was in a

1924
01:38:55,253 --> 01:38:59,013
Speaker 2: rental car. Yeah, so yeah, I wonder what happened to

1925
01:38:59,053 --> 01:39:02,972
Speaker 2: their family. But it had all these the whole inside

1926
01:39:03,053 --> 01:39:05,972
Speaker 2: laid out way more rooms than that. The house had

1927
01:39:06,253 --> 01:39:09,333
Speaker 2: like five bedrooms, all this kind of stuff. Had had

1928
01:39:09,372 --> 01:39:12,973
Speaker 2: a room that had a like a church window, you know,

1929
01:39:13,093 --> 01:39:17,012
Speaker 2: like a stained glass window. Beautiful. So I just I said,

1930
01:39:17,053 --> 01:39:19,093
Speaker 2: look through the door, mate, this is not the same

1931
01:39:19,133 --> 01:39:20,932
Speaker 2: place as in your pictures. The outsides are the same,

1932
01:39:20,973 --> 01:39:23,652
Speaker 2: but the insides are not. And yeah, it's not real. Yeah,

1933
01:39:23,933 --> 01:39:26,293
Speaker 2: I forgot that happened to me. Yeah. And then he

1934
01:39:26,333 --> 01:39:29,132
Speaker 2: sat out in his car with his family for like hours,

1935
01:39:29,173 --> 01:39:31,852
Speaker 2: and I was like, I was like, what can I

1936
01:39:31,933 --> 01:39:33,732
Speaker 2: do to help? It wasn't you know? You didn't do

1937
01:39:33,812 --> 01:39:35,812
Speaker 2: anything to him. I had nothing to do with me. Yeah,

1938
01:39:36,253 --> 01:39:37,933
Speaker 2: there was no room at the heathen. I kept on

1939
01:39:38,013 --> 01:39:40,253
Speaker 2: looking at the peering out the windows. There's still there,

1940
01:39:40,732 --> 01:39:42,933
Speaker 2: still there. Sorry, buddy, do you know what if I

1941
01:39:43,053 --> 01:39:45,012
Speaker 2: was a better person, I would have invited them into stay.

1942
01:39:45,452 --> 01:39:48,173
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, do you really want three random

1943
01:39:48,213 --> 01:39:49,253
Speaker 3: kids running around in your house?

1944
01:39:49,492 --> 01:39:50,053
Speaker 2: An old mate?

1945
01:39:51,732 --> 01:39:51,852
Speaker 7: Oh?

1946
01:39:51,933 --> 01:39:54,253
Speaker 2: One hundred eighty ten eighty is another to call money.

1947
01:39:54,333 --> 01:39:54,972
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1948
01:39:56,333 --> 01:40:00,572
Speaker 21: Hi, Well, I am a window. Actually I have a

1949
01:40:00,612 --> 01:40:03,253
Speaker 21: home in Queenstown and it's happened to be a couple

1950
01:40:03,293 --> 01:40:04,772
Speaker 21: of times with dicking dot Com.

1951
01:40:04,893 --> 01:40:06,412
Speaker 5: But I wanted to support.

1952
01:40:06,612 --> 01:40:09,612
Speaker 21: Booking dot Com and saying and they realized that they

1953
01:40:09,652 --> 01:40:13,573
Speaker 21: had double booked, they had actually given those two families

1954
01:40:14,772 --> 01:40:17,532
Speaker 21: better accommodation at a discount.

1955
01:40:18,612 --> 01:40:20,372
Speaker 2: Right, So did you say you're you are a venda?

1956
01:40:21,612 --> 01:40:24,053
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, I've got a home in Queenstown which we

1957
01:40:24,572 --> 01:40:28,412
Speaker 21: do Airbnb with And it happened to me twice, and

1958
01:40:29,772 --> 01:40:32,692
Speaker 21: both the times Booking dot Com has actually given the

1959
01:40:32,812 --> 01:40:37,253
Speaker 21: other family which had double booked, a better place to

1960
01:40:37,372 --> 01:40:39,452
Speaker 21: stay with a discount.

1961
01:40:40,013 --> 01:40:43,612
Speaker 2: You know, many a part of my ignorance. But if

1962
01:40:43,652 --> 01:40:47,492
Speaker 2: you're on Airbnb, why no the ABNB?

1963
01:40:47,933 --> 01:40:51,173
Speaker 21: I'm sorry, I said Abnb it's another booking agent.

1964
01:40:52,093 --> 01:40:55,213
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, that's good.

1965
01:40:56,652 --> 01:41:00,612
Speaker 21: Kind of I'm with a real estate agent. And so

1966
01:41:00,772 --> 01:41:03,772
Speaker 21: it comes upon Trabago and Booking dot Com and all

1967
01:41:03,853 --> 01:41:07,133
Speaker 21: those places, so it was double booked. It happened only

1968
01:41:07,213 --> 01:41:09,253
Speaker 21: twice in the last probably nine years.

1969
01:41:09,492 --> 01:41:12,133
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're very happy with booking dot Com.

1970
01:41:12,333 --> 01:41:15,532
Speaker 21: Yes, And also I must tell you my son who's

1971
01:41:15,572 --> 01:41:21,692
Speaker 21: actually an MMA fighter, booked his place from New Zealand

1972
01:41:21,772 --> 01:41:24,973
Speaker 21: because he went to Detroit for a fight and he

1973
01:41:25,053 --> 01:41:26,293
Speaker 21: booked through booking dot Com.

1974
01:41:26,372 --> 01:41:28,173
Speaker 13: And it's also it Oh how good.

1975
01:41:28,893 --> 01:41:32,013
Speaker 2: And if someone contacts you directly many do you give

1976
01:41:32,053 --> 01:41:34,933
Speaker 2: them the same prices you'd give as that pay on

1977
01:41:34,973 --> 01:41:37,133
Speaker 2: Booking dot Com or do you just want to keep it?

1978
01:41:38,173 --> 01:41:38,372
Speaker 4: You do?

1979
01:41:39,053 --> 01:41:39,093
Speaker 8: No?

1980
01:41:39,412 --> 01:41:41,612
Speaker 21: I mean you know that home is something we use

1981
01:41:42,213 --> 01:41:45,293
Speaker 21: and most of my friends who live in Wellington and

1982
01:41:45,333 --> 01:41:49,772
Speaker 21: Auckland use it for free, right, and once in a

1983
01:41:49,812 --> 01:41:51,812
Speaker 21: while we do get We get a lot of people

1984
01:41:51,893 --> 01:41:52,972
Speaker 21: because it's very close.

1985
01:41:52,772 --> 01:41:54,613
Speaker 5: To town and everything in Queenstown.

1986
01:41:55,093 --> 01:41:57,852
Speaker 21: But both the times this has happened, Booking dot Com

1987
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:00,652
Speaker 21: has been you know, they kind of emailed my agent

1988
01:42:01,253 --> 01:42:03,692
Speaker 21: and the agent has said, sorry, this has been booked.

1989
01:42:04,133 --> 01:42:08,093
Speaker 21: So Booking dot Com contacted those people. I only know

1990
01:42:08,173 --> 01:42:11,772
Speaker 21: of outed because my agent told me this. Yeah, they

1991
01:42:11,853 --> 01:42:14,612
Speaker 21: had given them a better prize and they had also

1992
01:42:14,692 --> 01:42:16,452
Speaker 21: given them a better accommodation. O.

1993
01:42:16,612 --> 01:42:18,253
Speaker 2: It's great to hear that it works out well for you.

1994
01:42:18,412 --> 01:42:23,772
Speaker 2: The goes. We're getting all kinds of I guess in

1995
01:42:23,933 --> 01:42:28,372
Speaker 2: any massive, massive organization, there's going to be the odd

1996
01:42:28,893 --> 01:42:31,173
Speaker 2: hack up, right, Yeah, And we and we hear about

1997
01:42:31,173 --> 01:42:32,932
Speaker 2: the hackups. We hear about the terrible things. We hear

1998
01:42:32,973 --> 01:42:35,852
Speaker 2: about these people that have paid twenty seven hundred and

1999
01:42:35,893 --> 01:42:38,452
Speaker 2: twenty one dollars to go to war Birds over Wonka

2000
01:42:38,732 --> 01:42:40,772
Speaker 2: up from a Vericago and ringing Aura and then they

2001
01:42:41,973 --> 01:42:42,892
Speaker 2: the place doesn't exist.

2002
01:42:42,933 --> 01:42:46,732
Speaker 3: It's a sad story. Yeah, I mean you feel for them, Yeah, absolutely.

2003
01:42:46,412 --> 01:42:50,093
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm quite shocked by the amount of just

2004
01:42:50,333 --> 01:42:51,892
Speaker 2: absolute love that's coming through.

2005
01:42:52,093 --> 01:42:52,333
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2006
01:42:53,253 --> 01:42:56,932
Speaker 3: For Booking dot Com, this text has an interesting point. Hi,

2007
01:42:57,093 --> 01:42:59,452
Speaker 3: we had a motel. On several occasions, anyone who made

2008
01:42:59,492 --> 01:43:02,532
Speaker 3: a booking for three or more days, we would ring

2009
01:43:02,612 --> 01:43:06,213
Speaker 3: them and offer them cheaper rates by booking direct. They

2010
01:43:06,372 --> 01:43:09,173
Speaker 3: an overseas organization and very very hard to deal with.

2011
01:43:09,652 --> 01:43:12,972
Speaker 3: If you're using the Internet looking for a motel, hotel somewhere,

2012
01:43:13,013 --> 01:43:15,412
Speaker 3: Booking dot Com are always top of the search. I

2013
01:43:15,452 --> 01:43:18,652
Speaker 3: would never book through them. To go through the property

2014
01:43:19,013 --> 01:43:23,452
Speaker 3: directly and ringing our customers back goes a long way

2015
01:43:23,452 --> 01:43:23,772
Speaker 3: as well.

2016
01:43:24,412 --> 01:43:26,972
Speaker 2: Marylyn says, hey, guys, a good travel agent any day.

2017
01:43:27,173 --> 01:43:29,692
Speaker 2: I have booked several big tours through a travel agent.

2018
01:43:29,812 --> 01:43:32,412
Speaker 2: I researched online first, so I have a rough idea

2019
01:43:32,412 --> 01:43:34,012
Speaker 2: where I want to go, where I want to stay,

2020
01:43:34,372 --> 01:43:36,372
Speaker 2: and what I think it should cost. I'm always very

2021
01:43:36,412 --> 01:43:39,532
Speaker 2: presently surprised when the travel agent quotes come back better

2022
01:43:39,612 --> 01:43:43,133
Speaker 2: than I anticipated and generally cheaper, particularly flights. I've noticed

2023
01:43:43,173 --> 01:43:45,692
Speaker 2: I can often get cheaper through a travel agent. Saves

2024
01:43:45,732 --> 01:43:48,492
Speaker 2: a lot of hassle. I use booking dot Com within

2025
01:43:48,572 --> 01:43:51,213
Speaker 2: New Zealand occasionally, but I would never use it for

2026
01:43:51,293 --> 01:43:53,372
Speaker 2: an overseas trip. Don't want to get off the red

2027
01:43:53,452 --> 01:43:55,932
Speaker 2: eye and find I've got nowhere to sleep. Also great

2028
01:43:55,973 --> 01:43:58,893
Speaker 2: support of flights are canceled, etc. At Marylynd. Yeah, I

2029
01:43:58,933 --> 01:44:01,333
Speaker 2: mean it's good great having someone you know you can ring.

2030
01:44:01,572 --> 01:44:04,532
Speaker 3: Absolutely go the travel agents, and I think we might

2031
01:44:04,612 --> 01:44:06,852
Speaker 3: have a travel agent on the line, so we'll get

2032
01:44:06,893 --> 01:44:10,093
Speaker 3: to them very It is twenty one to four.

2033
01:44:11,173 --> 01:44:14,972
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty Matt Heath

2034
01:44:15,053 --> 01:44:17,253
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons.

2035
01:44:16,933 --> 01:44:20,612
Speaker 2: Used talk s eighteen to four. We're a host family

2036
01:44:20,692 --> 01:44:23,013
Speaker 2: and Booking dot Com only pays us four times a year,

2037
01:44:23,333 --> 01:44:27,612
Speaker 2: and Airbnb pay after each guest has been there one day.

2038
01:44:28,053 --> 01:44:31,093
Speaker 2: We love MMB for their promptness and honesty. We're Booking

2039
01:44:31,133 --> 01:44:34,092
Speaker 2: dot Com are using everybody's money as long as possible,

2040
01:44:35,293 --> 01:44:39,492
Speaker 2: sucking up the interest. Yeah, booking confirmed. Booking dot Com

2041
01:44:39,572 --> 01:44:42,532
Speaker 2: confirmed my booking in Texas months before travel a week out.

2042
01:44:42,652 --> 01:44:48,372
Speaker 2: I call property no record of my booking garter, Sharon,

2043
01:44:48,492 --> 01:44:49,173
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

2044
01:44:50,452 --> 01:44:52,892
Speaker 22: Good afternoon. I'm the person that sends you the text

2045
01:44:52,973 --> 01:44:55,612
Speaker 22: about who directly booked with me.

2046
01:44:55,933 --> 01:44:57,812
Speaker 2: You're the one that I act and correctly called a

2047
01:44:57,893 --> 01:44:58,412
Speaker 2: hotel here.

2048
01:44:59,412 --> 01:45:00,972
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that's okay.

2049
01:45:01,253 --> 01:45:01,933
Speaker 5: I'll forgive you.

2050
01:45:02,333 --> 01:45:07,933
Speaker 22: I'm also not also not abn host. There's such a

2051
01:45:08,053 --> 01:45:11,732
Speaker 22: use to but not only long ago. But yeah, I

2052
01:45:11,893 --> 01:45:15,492
Speaker 22: prefer direct bookings because then, as you say, people have

2053
01:45:15,572 --> 01:45:18,212
Speaker 22: actually know they've spoken to somebody actually any place exists,

2054
01:45:18,732 --> 01:45:21,253
Speaker 22: so it's authentic, which is a big thing these days.

2055
01:45:21,893 --> 01:45:26,812
Speaker 22: But in regards to as somebody who has a guest,

2056
01:45:27,253 --> 01:45:31,452
Speaker 22: I prefer Booking dot Com because they don't like Airbnb,

2057
01:45:31,652 --> 01:45:36,253
Speaker 22: ch as U GST. Sometimes the cleaning fee service fee

2058
01:45:36,812 --> 01:45:39,572
Speaker 22: e s T and it really racks up the price.

2059
01:45:39,933 --> 01:45:42,692
Speaker 22: Booking dot Com don't change the exists that as such.

2060
01:45:43,412 --> 01:45:46,652
Speaker 22: But also with Booking dot Com, I don't have to

2061
01:45:46,772 --> 01:45:50,053
Speaker 22: wait a month for my payment. I'm actually allowed to

2062
01:45:50,973 --> 01:45:52,932
Speaker 22: take credit card payments myself.

2063
01:45:54,053 --> 01:45:58,492
Speaker 2: You are an upper echelon member sharing, well, I don't

2064
01:45:58,532 --> 01:45:59,213
Speaker 2: know about.

2065
01:45:59,013 --> 01:46:01,812
Speaker 22: That, but they for years they've allowed me to do this,

2066
01:46:02,372 --> 01:46:05,213
Speaker 22: and I have. It was a machine like a post machine,

2067
01:46:05,572 --> 01:46:08,013
Speaker 22: And the day they personally arrived, I put through the

2068
01:46:08,053 --> 01:46:11,412
Speaker 22: pavements because they give me the checkerit card details the

2069
01:46:11,532 --> 01:46:14,412
Speaker 22: day of the person arriving, not beforehand, you know, for

2070
01:46:14,492 --> 01:46:18,093
Speaker 22: safety reasons, but of the day they arrive, and I

2071
01:46:18,173 --> 01:46:19,452
Speaker 22: can process it that way.

2072
01:46:20,333 --> 01:46:23,612
Speaker 2: But you know, when we're all round and you if

2073
01:46:23,652 --> 01:46:26,333
Speaker 2: someone rings you up and says, can I get the

2074
01:46:26,372 --> 01:46:29,052
Speaker 2: Booking dot Com price, do you say yep?

2075
01:46:30,732 --> 01:46:33,253
Speaker 22: Oh, I usually go under that. I mean I get gifts.

2076
01:46:33,333 --> 01:46:35,372
Speaker 22: Your corporate guests come and stay at my bed and

2077
01:46:35,452 --> 01:46:40,572
Speaker 22: breakfast and they email me because I've had them here

2078
01:46:40,692 --> 01:46:45,932
Speaker 22: staying beforehand, and I always give them a really good price. Yeah,

2079
01:46:45,933 --> 01:46:48,293
Speaker 22: it's definitely always under the Booking dot Com price because

2080
01:46:48,333 --> 01:46:50,892
Speaker 22: Booking dot Com park charge twenty five percent commission.

2081
01:46:50,893 --> 01:46:53,173
Speaker 2: Sy right, would you ever do what some people have

2082
01:46:53,253 --> 01:46:55,213
Speaker 2: been saying happens to them. They make a booking through

2083
01:46:55,253 --> 01:46:56,893
Speaker 2: booking dot com. Next thing, you know, they get a

2084
01:46:56,973 --> 01:47:02,412
Speaker 2: phone call from the establishment, the accommodation saying do you

2085
01:47:02,452 --> 01:47:03,892
Speaker 2: want to do you want to just do it directly?

2086
01:47:04,053 --> 01:47:05,572
Speaker 2: Direct would you do that?

2087
01:47:06,772 --> 01:47:12,812
Speaker 22: I've never done it because I've never well, I guess

2088
01:47:12,853 --> 01:47:15,253
Speaker 22: it's okay, but it doesn't sort of sit right with me.

2089
01:47:16,013 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 22: But you know, I mean, I'm trying to be as

2090
01:47:19,053 --> 01:47:21,932
Speaker 22: ethical age you can be. But yeah, if people want

2091
01:47:21,973 --> 01:47:24,213
Speaker 22: to do that, that's their business, their business. They don't

2092
01:47:24,213 --> 01:47:26,412
Speaker 22: how they like to do it, but I've never done it.

2093
01:47:26,532 --> 01:47:28,933
Speaker 2: Now, Sharon, would you like to describe your place and

2094
01:47:29,253 --> 01:47:31,812
Speaker 2: what's what it's called, just in case someone wants to

2095
01:47:31,853 --> 01:47:32,333
Speaker 2: come and stay.

2096
01:47:33,572 --> 01:47:34,612
Speaker 22: I've been before and.

2097
01:47:34,692 --> 01:47:36,013
Speaker 13: Told you ordered this, but.

2098
01:47:37,692 --> 01:47:38,293
Speaker 2: I think you have.

2099
01:47:40,253 --> 01:47:42,013
Speaker 4: That right, that's right.

2100
01:47:44,812 --> 01:47:49,692
Speaker 2: No, KI perviews, higher views, of course, Sharon. How could

2101
01:47:49,732 --> 01:47:50,972
Speaker 2: I forget previews?

2102
01:47:52,013 --> 01:47:56,052
Speaker 5: Not expected to remember but lodge.

2103
01:47:56,412 --> 01:47:58,972
Speaker 22: So, yeah, we get a lot of people directly booking.

2104
01:47:59,013 --> 01:48:00,772
Speaker 22: It's just so much easier, and it's really nice to

2105
01:48:00,812 --> 01:48:02,253
Speaker 22: speak to the gifts, to be honest with you.

2106
01:48:02,492 --> 01:48:04,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's the great thing that have

2107
01:48:04,253 --> 01:48:05,253
Speaker 2: been in breakfast, isn't it is?

2108
01:48:05,293 --> 01:48:06,053
Speaker 17: The Yeah, you.

2109
01:48:06,253 --> 01:48:09,093
Speaker 2: You know, you get to ask the the proprietor a

2110
01:48:09,133 --> 01:48:10,452
Speaker 2: few questions about the area, and.

2111
01:48:10,532 --> 01:48:13,772
Speaker 3: Such stunning views. I've got to say, Sharon, beautiful.

2112
01:48:14,213 --> 01:48:14,932
Speaker 22: Thank you very much.

2113
01:48:15,412 --> 01:48:17,253
Speaker 5: We're very fortunate. They are beautiful views.

2114
01:48:17,293 --> 01:48:18,972
Speaker 2: All right. I think if you call and I will

2115
01:48:19,013 --> 01:48:19,812
Speaker 2: remember you forever.

2116
01:48:20,173 --> 01:48:20,372
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2117
01:48:20,772 --> 01:48:23,612
Speaker 3: Kuiper reviews Eco Lodge go check them out nine point

2118
01:48:23,772 --> 01:48:27,612
Speaker 3: seven on Booking dot Com. Exceptional whole nine point seven

2119
01:48:27,652 --> 01:48:29,052
Speaker 3: out of ten. Doesn't get better than.

2120
01:48:28,973 --> 01:48:32,692
Speaker 2: That hyperview Eco Lodge. Love it beautiful, Drew.

2121
01:48:33,133 --> 01:48:38,253
Speaker 3: Now you are you a travel agent? I am fantastic

2122
01:48:38,293 --> 01:48:39,932
Speaker 3: to chat with you. We're hearing a lot of good

2123
01:48:39,973 --> 01:48:42,692
Speaker 3: things about travel agents. So is business booming for you

2124
01:48:42,732 --> 01:48:43,173
Speaker 3: at the moment?

2125
01:48:44,572 --> 01:48:46,572
Speaker 4: It is, Actually, it's going really well.

2126
01:48:47,612 --> 01:48:49,372
Speaker 23: The one thing I have to say about this whole

2127
01:48:50,013 --> 01:48:52,412
Speaker 23: Booking dot Com, I mean, there's a great it's a

2128
01:48:52,452 --> 01:48:55,572
Speaker 23: great search engine. But the trouble is that half of

2129
01:48:55,612 --> 01:48:59,972
Speaker 23: these websites like that Booking dot Com. Expedia is different

2130
01:49:00,053 --> 01:49:00,852
Speaker 23: because it's a dot co.

2131
01:49:00,973 --> 01:49:01,412
Speaker 13: Dot and Z.

2132
01:49:01,853 --> 01:49:06,652
Speaker 23: We actually, as agents get get agency supports. So if

2133
01:49:06,692 --> 01:49:09,532
Speaker 23: there is a problem with the property or you know,

2134
01:49:09,732 --> 01:49:12,452
Speaker 23: client's not happy, we can actually push back and go

2135
01:49:12,612 --> 01:49:15,412
Speaker 23: back and help them out. Whereas these other ones, they're

2136
01:49:15,732 --> 01:49:17,773
Speaker 23: you know, they're based in Germany.

2137
01:49:17,572 --> 01:49:20,173
Speaker 4: Sweden, you know, all over the world.

2138
01:49:20,532 --> 01:49:22,692
Speaker 23: And like that caller you had about half an hour

2139
01:49:22,732 --> 01:49:26,013
Speaker 23: ago where she paid money and she's trying to communicate

2140
01:49:26,093 --> 01:49:28,692
Speaker 23: with them, they you will not talk to a human.

2141
01:49:28,933 --> 01:49:32,133
Speaker 23: So the thing is with us as travel agents that

2142
01:49:32,492 --> 01:49:35,053
Speaker 23: if I get somebody coming to me saying I've seen

2143
01:49:35,093 --> 01:49:37,652
Speaker 23: this property, I'd really like to stay there, I look

2144
01:49:37,652 --> 01:49:40,333
Speaker 23: at what price I can get if it's in COUI

2145
01:49:40,452 --> 01:49:43,452
Speaker 23: with what price they're getting online, I'll just match it,

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Speaker 23: or sometimes I'm coming in in even under. But the

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Speaker 23: thing is is that the aftercare, the aftercare is zero

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Speaker 23: with these websites where you know you need some help

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Speaker 23: with something or something's gone wrong, you know, there's too

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Speaker 23: much there's too much trust from Kiwi's with these websites

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Speaker 23: as oh yeah, I know she'll be right kind of attitude.

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Speaker 23: It's when something goes wrong is where somebody like me

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Speaker 23: will go.

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Speaker 4: To for you. And that's where you know the value

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Speaker 4: is now drew.

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Speaker 2: How does a travel agent make their money.

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Speaker 23: Well, we get kickbacks from the property. So nine times

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Speaker 23: out of ten, you know, if you see a room

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Speaker 23: for two point fifty a nights on Expedia, I'll get

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Speaker 23: the same.

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Speaker 2: Rate, right, and then there's really there's really no.

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Speaker 23: Benefit other than taking on liability for yourself to do that.

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Speaker 2: So the travel agent travelange. I should know this because

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Speaker 2: I'm using a travel agent at the moment, but I

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Speaker 2: haven't been thinking about this. So there's no additional cost

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Speaker 2: for using the travel agent. You guys get the money

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Speaker 2: back on the accommodation, on the on the on the

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Speaker 2: kickback on the flights as well.

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Speaker 23: Assume it depends on the agency. There are some agencies

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Speaker 23: out there that do charge fees for booking with them.

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Speaker 4: I don't do that.

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Speaker 23: The kickback that I get from the airlines and the

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Speaker 23: properties and the cruisers and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So why wouldn't someone is enough. I'm trying to understand

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Speaker 2: this now because I went away and and the people were,

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Speaker 2: you know, calling the end of the travel agent businessman

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Speaker 2: for a while there, weren't they so people saying it

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Speaker 2: was over. But it seems to have really made a comeback.

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Speaker 2: And I guess that's why. Because sure, you can spend

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Speaker 2: your time trolling around the internet and finding all the

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Speaker 2: places and going through booking dot Com and take whatever.

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Speaker 2: But if you can hand that off to someone else

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Speaker 2: who's an expert and it's not going to cost you anything,

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Speaker 2: and you've got all that extra sport you're talking about, Drew,

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Speaker 2: then that seems like a no brainer to me.

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Speaker 23: Well it is, but there's a lot of it is

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01:51:37,853 --> 01:51:40,412
Speaker 23: with any industry, you know, you get you get burnt.

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Speaker 4: By a certain individuals.

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Speaker 23: I mean, I pride myself on the repeat business, I guess,

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Speaker 23: and the people that trust me and what I do,

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01:51:48,933 --> 01:51:50,692
Speaker 23: and the last thing I want is you coming back

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01:51:50,732 --> 01:51:54,012
Speaker 23: and complaining about your trip and saying this was not good,

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01:51:54,133 --> 01:51:56,772
Speaker 23: this was crap. I vet everything to the nth degree

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Speaker 23: so I don't get any problems. I mean, there are

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Speaker 23: problems that you get with travel. It's just inherent of

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01:52:03,293 --> 01:52:06,452
Speaker 23: the of the of the beast. But you know, if

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Speaker 23: generally I vet everything so that you know, the people

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Speaker 23: that travel under my business have a great time and

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Speaker 23: they come back and then they promote me even more.

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Speaker 17: So.

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Speaker 4: I mean I generally deal with the.

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Speaker 23: Higher end clients anyway, so they don't really want to

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Speaker 23: do it all themselves. So you know, that's the other thing.

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Speaker 23: I mean that the a couple of the guys that

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01:52:29,732 --> 01:52:31,972
Speaker 23: are calling up. You know, are booking motels and things

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01:52:32,053 --> 01:52:35,372
Speaker 23: like that. Sure, I mean I bought properties locally in

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Speaker 23: New Zealand. When I'm going camping and I want a

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01:52:37,612 --> 01:52:39,932
Speaker 23: night before and I book a motel for a night,

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Speaker 23: sure I do that, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: I certainly don't use it for overseas travel.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. And what's the name of your your situation. What's

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Speaker 2: the name of your company your business?

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Speaker 4: So it's luxury cruise and will travel.

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Speaker 2: Luxury cruise and will travel right? Well, thank you? Think

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Speaker 2: of you cool.

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Speaker 12: See.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just a lazy person, but I love using

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01:53:03,933 --> 01:53:05,973
Speaker 2: a travel agent. I love to hand everything off to

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Speaker 2: someone else to sort out.

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Speaker 3: Just the very fair and what he said and why

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01:53:09,293 --> 01:53:11,732
Speaker 3: you use a travel agent is if anything goes wrong,

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01:53:12,173 --> 01:53:14,293
Speaker 3: they are there to sort out your problems for you.

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Speaker 3: I can see the appeal of that. Absolutely. I e

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01:53:17,293 --> 01:53:18,852
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

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01:53:18,893 --> 01:53:19,972
Speaker 3: Plenty of teach coming through as.

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Speaker 2: Well, Linda says. Been listening for a while and hearing

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Speaker 2: how vendors who have a contract with Booking dot Com

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01:53:25,093 --> 01:53:27,412
Speaker 2: wring the client and cheat Booking dot Com out of

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01:53:27,452 --> 01:53:30,293
Speaker 2: their commission to me, that is theft and dishonest, and

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01:53:30,372 --> 01:53:33,612
Speaker 2: I doubt that in their contract with the company they

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01:53:33,652 --> 01:53:36,133
Speaker 2: are not meant to do it. When they list their

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01:53:36,173 --> 01:53:38,812
Speaker 2: property with Booking dot Com, they are getting their property

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01:53:38,893 --> 01:53:41,572
Speaker 2: worldwide exposure. I think the small commission they pay Booking

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Speaker 2: dot Com for that. Man, I've said, booking dot Com

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01:53:43,692 --> 01:53:46,932
Speaker 2: a lot this South for that exposure would save them

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01:53:46,973 --> 01:53:49,772
Speaker 2: a lot of money. As they had to advertise their

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01:53:49,812 --> 01:53:52,492
Speaker 2: property individually in every city and town in every country.

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Speaker 2: It would cost a fortune. The vendors are paying for

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Speaker 2: the service. Yeah, but they're an overseas company, so thank you. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, we want to look up to Keywi company.

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01:54:00,732 --> 01:54:02,772
Speaker 2: So if a Keemunity company can make more money, then

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01:54:03,412 --> 01:54:04,013
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.

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01:54:04,213 --> 01:54:07,173
Speaker 3: Nicely said as eight minutes to fall back very shortly,

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01:54:07,213 --> 01:54:10,092
Speaker 3: you're listening to Matton Tyler the big.

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01:54:10,013 --> 01:54:14,132
Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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01:54:14,412 --> 01:54:17,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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01:54:17,333 --> 01:54:17,652
Speaker 17: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It is six to four. Couple of techts to wrap

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Speaker 3: this one up. Get a champs. I use Booking dot

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01:54:24,692 --> 01:54:27,093
Speaker 3: Com a lot for local and worldwide travel. If I

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01:54:27,173 --> 01:54:29,772
Speaker 3: book a new hotel. I'll usually take the option to

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01:54:29,933 --> 01:54:32,733
Speaker 3: pay on site in case the hotel is not good.

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Speaker 3: I used a travel agent just before COVID and they

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01:54:35,812 --> 01:54:38,653
Speaker 3: absolutely ripped us off. Seven family members going to wit

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01:54:38,772 --> 01:54:43,293
Speaker 3: Sunday's flights, etc. Was in the thousands and didn't get

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01:54:43,293 --> 01:54:45,533
Speaker 3: a cent back. They took our money and we'll never

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01:54:45,812 --> 01:54:48,852
Speaker 3: use that particular company again. Last year, we used another

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Speaker 3: travel agent to book business class trip to Spain going

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Speaker 3: via Istanbul, and they hiked up the price to what

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01:54:56,973 --> 01:54:58,933
Speaker 3: I could have got, but gave them the benefit of

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01:54:58,973 --> 01:55:01,253
Speaker 3: the doubt. And most importantly, they didn't tell us about

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01:55:01,373 --> 01:55:05,052
Speaker 3: the fees. Oh sorry, the free hotline that was part

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01:55:05,213 --> 01:55:08,173
Speaker 3: of the booking with Turkish Airlines for two nights. When

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01:55:08,373 --> 01:55:12,293
Speaker 3: question the travel agent, she was so unhelpful with no apologies.

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01:55:12,653 --> 01:55:14,772
Speaker 3: I have a big trip coming up across Europe and

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01:55:14,933 --> 01:55:17,013
Speaker 3: a total of eighteen flights. I could not get a

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Speaker 3: travel agents agent quote.

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01:55:18,893 --> 01:55:20,972
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I got sent. I got sent an invoice

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01:55:21,013 --> 01:55:23,053
Speaker 2: from a travel agent after I decided not to use

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01:55:23,093 --> 01:55:25,733
Speaker 2: them for her time quoting me four hundred dollars. I

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01:55:25,812 --> 01:55:28,812
Speaker 2: didn't pay. I saved myself twenty two hundred dollars over

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01:55:28,812 --> 01:55:31,533
Speaker 2: a ten thousand dollars. Quote, they have their place for

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01:55:31,653 --> 01:55:35,212
Speaker 2: some people and some types of multi stop vocation vacations.

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01:55:35,213 --> 01:55:36,973
Speaker 2: You well, that's what Drew was saying. I mean that

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01:55:37,213 --> 01:55:40,093
Speaker 2: that person's not going to get their repeat business? Are

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01:55:40,173 --> 01:55:43,413
Speaker 2: they exactly like one of the good ones? That's all right, Well,

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01:55:44,053 --> 01:55:45,932
Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to the show. Everyone,

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01:55:46,013 --> 01:55:48,852
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Speaker 2: playing the song?

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01:56:21,653 --> 01:56:23,133
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Speaker 4: What was her name? I?

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