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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Hither duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected you, Tom said.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 4: the country's just declared a hoop and cough epidemic. We're

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Speaker 4: going to speak to the health bosses about it's serious

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Speaker 4: for the little ones. More than twelve gang members, twelve

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Speaker 4: of them have now been arrested and charged for those

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Speaker 4: gang patch breaches. We're going to speak to the top

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Speaker 4: cup in charge of chasing them down. And what is

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Speaker 4: this blue sky that all the cool kids are quitting

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Speaker 4: Twitter for. We'll have a chat to Bill Bennett, the

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Speaker 4: tech commentator.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplessy Ellen, tell you what it feels like.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of a tough time to be the

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Speaker 4: UN at the moment, doesn't it. I mean, I can't

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Speaker 4: help but feel that the UN's credibility is increasingly on

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Speaker 4: the line with how often it's actually just being ignored.

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Speaker 4: Right now, take for example, what's just happened overnight. Right

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Speaker 4: the UN's principal judicial body, the International Criminal Court, has

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Speaker 4: issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

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Speaker 4: nettan Yahoo. Now this is ballsy, It's really ballsy, because

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Speaker 4: this is the first time the ICC has gone after

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Speaker 4: a world leader who is actually democratically elected and also

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Speaker 4: one who is backed by a whole bunch of Western powers.

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Speaker 4: And there's your trouble. What do the Western powers do? Well,

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Speaker 4: sounds like a lot of them are just going to

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Speaker 4: ignore the ICC, or at least that's a possibility. The

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Speaker 4: US says they're not going to arrest Net and Yahoo. Well,

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Speaker 4: of course, of course they're not going to arrest Net

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Speaker 4: and Yahoo. There is big as backup. But they're also

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Speaker 4: not a member of the ICC. The UK, they're not

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Speaker 4: committing publicly to arresting Net and Yahoo and they are

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Speaker 4: a member of the ICC. And France, well they won't

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Speaker 4: say either. They just keep saying it's legally complex. Now

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Speaker 4: that's bloody awkward, isn't it. I mean, if you've got

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Speaker 4: three Western powers who are three permanent security members of

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Speaker 4: do what the UN's judicial body wants them to do,

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Speaker 4: doesn't that undermine the ICC and also the parent the UN?

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Speaker 4: Then what about the other big UN thing that's happening

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Speaker 4: this is a joke, right, bigger joke than COP twenty

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Speaker 4: eight last year, and that was a big enough joke already.

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Speaker 4: The big names haven't turned up this year, Shijingping, Joe Biden, Nerendramodi.

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Speaker 4: For the second year in a row, the host country

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Speaker 4: has been busted using the climate You almost can't make

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Speaker 4: this up. Using the Climate Conference to strike secret fossil

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Speaker 4: fuel deals on the side so they can make some

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Speaker 4: money off hurting the climate. And then it looks like

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Speaker 4: they're going to have to extend the conference by our

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Speaker 4: because if they don't, this thing is going to look

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Speaker 4: like a complete flop. And this is without even mentioning

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Speaker 4: the fact that the incoming leader of the free world

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Speaker 4: Paris Agreement, which is like its top climate agreement. So

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Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but I feel like it's

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Speaker 4: a tough time to be the UN because we are increasingly,

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Speaker 4: I get you across by the way, a little bit

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Speaker 4: more detail on all all of the stuff that's going

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Speaker 4: on with ben Yaminett and Yahoo in that arrest. Wirreate

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Speaker 4: it's fascinating onto something else altogether. Wellington Airport, now Wellington

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Speaker 4: Airport has announced it's going to try to attract more

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Speaker 4: and it's revealed it's going to do that in a

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Speaker 4: five hundred million dollar five year plan that includes extending

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Speaker 4: Matt Clark.

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Speaker 5: Enhancing the safety areas around the airport mean that we

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Speaker 5: that produces a one hundred and thirty meta extension to

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Speaker 4: Now, catho Brien is the executive director of the Board

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Speaker 4: do you reckon that there's demand in Wellington for these

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Speaker 6: Look, I'm not sure that there is a great demand

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Speaker 4: Why do you think that there might not be the demand?

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Speaker 7: Look, if I look at air services demand for New

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Speaker 7: So you know, Auckland Airport is looking at pretty much

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Speaker 7: we've got those news services coming to Hamilton next year.

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Speaker 4: Oh do you think when you talk about growth, you're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, airlines willing to come to New Zealand and fly

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Speaker 7: I think you know, one of the reasons that they

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Speaker 6: That New Zealand you know, represents in terms of a destination.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean is keav are they future proofing? Maybe

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Speaker 4: because if we actually play our cards right, we will

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Speaker 4: increase demand again, won't we.

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Speaker 7: Look, I think, as I say, Wellington Airport is doing

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Speaker 7: so I think that's that's a great thing. I think

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Speaker 7: You know, we, as I say, we aren't sort of

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Speaker 7: a lot of the costs that we're imposing on airlines

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Speaker 4: Okay, now what about how you pay for this stuff? Right?

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Speaker 4: Are the airlines going to squeal if they are head

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Look, I mean Wellington Airport consulted with airlines as part

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Speaker 7: it's included in the capex. It may you know that

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Speaker 7: the cost of it may change as we roll through

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Speaker 4: Is it not actually a good idea to bolster an

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think you know, it's good to see

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Speaker 7: and I think in terms of the capex spend it

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Speaker 7: five point nine billion dollars of aerononical capecks that we

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Speaker 7: you know, the different airports have different capex profiles, and

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Speaker 7: that if the airlines are considering landing on a runway

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Speaker 7: in the world, their own civil aviation authority has to

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Speaker 7: consider whether or not that's safe. And so that's a

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Speaker 7: consideration for each airline and for each you know, international civilization.

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Speaker 4: Are you suggesting that there would be civil aviation authorities

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Speaker 7: Well, I think everyone has to make their own assessment, right,

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Speaker 7: and so I see from Willington's announcement that the EMAS

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Speaker 7: to be captured, which is a good thing, certainly better

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Speaker 6: But you know it does say with minimal damage.

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Speaker 7: And so I think any airline with consult with the

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Speaker 7: And you know those are very reasonable questions to be asking,

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Speaker 4: Fascinating. Hey, Kat, thanks very much appreciated, As Kath O'Brien,

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Speaker 4: the executive director of the Board of Airlines Representatives known

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Speaker 4: as Barnes. Listen there and this is You're gonna get

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Speaker 4: a lot of this, but it is it does bear repeating.

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Speaker 4: There is a warning once again. It's the hearty annual

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Speaker 4: over the Black Friday sales. That's next week, isn't it? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Next week, next week, this time next week is Black Friday,

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Speaker 4: and things are ramping up already. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 4: but I've got a thousand emails sitting in my in

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Speaker 4: box saying, Hey, we're having at Black Friday sale. Will

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Speaker 4: I'm very excited about it. Now. The thing that you

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Speaker 4: need to know is before you go, it's a Black

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Speaker 4: Friday sale. Yay, oh buy that. Just double check the

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Speaker 4: prices and make sure that they actually are sale sale

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Speaker 4: prices or pretend sale prices. And the reason for that

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Speaker 4: is because one woman has gone to the media already

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Speaker 4: saying she's been looking at an oven at Smith's City

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Speaker 4: and this thing was on sale. She was looking at

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Speaker 4: buying the thing when it was on sale for two thousand,

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Speaker 4: four hundred dollars. It's now on the Black Friday sale

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Speaker 4: for two seven hundred dollars, and apparently the reason it's

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Speaker 4: on sale is because the recommended retail price is more

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Speaker 4: than three thousand dollars. Now it looks very much like

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Speaker 4: they've put the price up, isn't Obviously they have from

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Speaker 4: one sale to the other that put the price up.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 4: Smith's City has responded saying, look, no, no, no, we're

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Speaker 4: not ripping anyone off here. It's just that beforehand, when

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Speaker 4: she was looking at it, it was a better sale, and

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Speaker 4: now it's on a less better sale, but it still

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Speaker 4: is a discount price. So that may well be true,

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Speaker 4: and that makes complete sense. But if you're gonna buy

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Speaker 4: it at Black Friday, do not necessarily believe. The lesson

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Speaker 4: is the best sale in the whole world, because actually

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Speaker 4: she would have been better off buying it beforehand, and

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Speaker 4: just double check your prices and make sure that what

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Speaker 4: you're getting is actually a good deal. You're welcome four sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 2: the US election on Heather Dupless Alum Drive with one

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Let's get connected the news talk say'd

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Speaker 2: be sport with TB. Get your bed on our eighteen

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Speaker 2: bet responsibly.

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Speaker 4: Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with us right now Piney.

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Speaker 10: Hello, Hello, Heather Poney.

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Speaker 4: Are you surprised by how strong the squad is that's

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Speaker 4: been named to play Italy?

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Speaker 11: Yep, I am. I am surprised by it. I thought, man, well,

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Speaker 11: I actually don't mind it, and the obviously raisers saying, look,

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Speaker 11: I'm not here to muck about. We are going to

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Speaker 11: get our best foot forward against Italy and rarely put

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Speaker 11: them to the sword. I wonder whither whether if they'd

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Speaker 11: beaten France last weekend and had England Island France win, win,

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Speaker 11: win in consecutive weeks, whether this might have been a

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Speaker 11: different squad. The fact that they lost last week, albeit narrowly.

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Speaker 11: I wonder whether they said no we're going to make

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Speaker 11: sure that the last test of the year is one

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Speaker 11: that we can hang our hats on. And they've put

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Speaker 10: Four wins from four good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Weekend Sport host Heather read the long haul flights out

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Speaker 4: It's light touch, boys, light touch, not what he's done.

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Speaker 4: from a DC comic. Okay, you're welcome for twenty two.

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Speaker 2: The name you trust to get the answers you need

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Speaker 2: Heather duple c Alan Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 4: Heather, you're so right. You need to check your prices.

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Speaker 4: I use price by It is the best tool for

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Speaker 4: Thanks for that tip. Okay, so the gang patch bad jeez.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. Cops are not dicking around here. Oh,

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Speaker 1: On your spart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 2: Heather duper c allan drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: Be like a bean's hold.

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Speaker 4: It's not PAMBONDI like you're in Sydney, Pam Bondie. So

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Speaker 4: who've been busted for wearing their patches in public? Where

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Speaker 4: so a wide oy. Yesterday a forty five year old

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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin has confirmed that Russian forces have fired an

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump has announced Pam Bondi as his new pick

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Speaker 14: The prosecutors will be prosecuted, the bad ones, the investigators

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Speaker 4: And finally, the city of Macon in Georgia is taking

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Speaker 4: hotel opened in nineteen seventy, but it was never a

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Speaker 4: financial success and it's been empty ever since. Twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 4: Dan missions the US correspondence with US Hello.

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Speaker 10: Dan, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 9: Great.

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Speaker 4: What do we know about Pam BONDI.

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Speaker 15: Well, we know that she was sure nominated very quickly

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Speaker 15: after Matt geezer that he was withdrawing dope. I mean,

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Speaker 15: I thought this was going to take a little time.

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Speaker 1: And then about two hours later.

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Speaker 15: Boom Trump announced her as his new choice, and she

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Speaker 15: had served as Florida's attorney general. Big Trumper Trump says

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Speaker 15: she's really big against trafficking and the drug issue down there,

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Speaker 15: and she had worked on the commission focusing on any

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Speaker 15: opioid crisis, and you know, she was also involved in

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Speaker 15: the efforts to overturn the results back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 15: and she said, you know that the whole election thing

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Speaker 15: was rigged, and he won Pennsylvania. So definitely somebody that

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Speaker 15: I think Donald Trump will get along with. And interesting

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Speaker 15: that after this stuff with Gates came out a couple

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Speaker 15: of days ago, you know, he started seeing the smoke

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Speaker 15: and then boom, all of a sudden, today it was

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Speaker 15: all about the fire.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: The fact that it was announced that she was announced

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Speaker 4: so soon after Matt Gates withdraws suggests that Matt Gates

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Speaker 4: was either pushed out or had come to that conclusion

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Speaker 4: with Trump. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think so.

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Speaker 15: I think they saw the handwriting on the wall. And

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Speaker 15: you know, Trump issued a statement on his social media

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Speaker 15: site shortly after saying, you know, he's a great guy,

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Speaker 15: looks forward to seeing what Gates is going to do

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Speaker 15: in the future. But you know, he was putting the

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Speaker 15: party over his personal opportunity. And yeah, I just think

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Speaker 15: that that with all these accusations that we're coming out,

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Speaker 15: and I'm sure we're going to have more in the

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Speaker 15: future too. They thought this is gonna this is going

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Speaker 15: to take away too much, and we just got to

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Speaker 15: get somebody new on there.

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Speaker 4: Is she gonna, i mean, being quite a few of

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Speaker 4: his appointments have been pretty controversial and have raised some eyebrows.

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Speaker 4: How about her?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she is.

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Speaker 15: I think we're going to see a lot more too.

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Speaker 15: I mean every time you get a new president, and

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Speaker 15: there's usually one or two people that sort of raise

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Speaker 15: a few eyebrows or sometimes have to step aside because

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Speaker 15: of their their past. With Donald Trump, sometimes we see

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Speaker 15: a few more of those people and will likely see

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Speaker 15: a few more between now and next January.

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Speaker 4: Now, Ellen degenerous, Now she's left the country already.

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Speaker 15: I Well, you know, it's interesting because she lives in Monticito,

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Speaker 15: which is this flashy part everybody in Hollywood seems to

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Speaker 15: own a place. It's about ninety miles north of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 15: And she had said that, you know, if Donald Trump

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Speaker 15: wins the election, I'm out of here a Carently she's

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Speaker 15: made the move already to the Cotswolds, which is in

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Speaker 15: south central England. She's listing her listing her place in

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Speaker 15: Montecito that she bought back in twenty nineteen, and you've

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Speaker 15: got a slew of other celebrities. I think Sharon Stone

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Speaker 15: was another one cher who have said, hey, we want

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Speaker 15: to leave this country following the election. But I'll tell

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Speaker 15: you what, Heather, nobody does really, or very few people do.

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Speaker 15: I mean, it's all talk and nobody holds them accountable

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Speaker 15: when you're like, well hold it, wait a minute, you're

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Speaker 15: still here three years later.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So Ellen, though, I've got questions about this because you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, when was your election. Wasn't it only two

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Speaker 4: weeks ago?

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Speaker 15: Wasn't it three h Yeah it was it was It

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Speaker 15: was just a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Cama. And she didn't buy the house and the

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Speaker 4: Cotswolds in the last three weeks, did she?

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Speaker 1: No? No.

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Speaker 15: I think she's one of I think she's been thinking

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Speaker 15: about this ever since her her career got sidetracked and

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Speaker 15: she did this Netflix special and saying, hey, nobody wants

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Speaker 15: to hire me any anymore. I think this is just

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Speaker 15: her way of getting out of the country and getting

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Speaker 15: out of the limelight. But it sounds good because she's

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Speaker 15: very much to the left, and as we know, mister

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Speaker 15: Trump's very much to the right.

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Speaker 4: Yep, it's a good yah, but it's probably not accurate. Hey,

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Speaker 4: so you guys aren't loving being at work, are you?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 15: Hold it now now when you say you guys, there

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Speaker 15: is this poll right now, yeah, and it finds that

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Speaker 15: a third of employees, only a third are engaged. Now

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Speaker 15: when you look at it, when you take the global

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Speaker 15: view right here, there's only about twenty seven twenty eight

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Speaker 15: percent of people who say that they're happy with where

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Speaker 15: they are. Only nineteen percent see they're satisfying in the

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Speaker 15: place they work. So look around your studio right now.

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Speaker 15: Count yourself, Count your producer, count your text director. One

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Speaker 15: out of three of you is not engaged. And with

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Speaker 15: this is this, I wasn't going to stay, adds it.

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Speaker 4: Could be the German. It could be the German.

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Speaker 15: Oh no, no, no, no, can't possibly be her.

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Speaker 4: Germans never Germans never do anything half pie. They're always excellent.

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Speaker 4: She's playing on her phone, he says, no, it's her. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: so we've found out, we're found out one third.

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Speaker 10: Who's yours?

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Speaker 15: Well, I don't know a lot of people would point

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Speaker 15: the finger at me, I suppose, but so I guess.

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Speaker 15: But you know, it's funny because we get these polls

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Speaker 15: all the time, and I guess more and more too,

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Speaker 15: especially since the pandemic. They're saying that people aren't happy

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Speaker 15: because they're not getting the recognition for the work that

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Speaker 15: they do, and others say that they have a supervisor

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Speaker 15: or a coworker who don't care about them at work. So

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Speaker 15: I think what this poll is finding is that workers

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Speaker 15: who are engaged for a number of reasons find that, Hey,

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Speaker 15: we're going to do that if it's if we're getting

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Speaker 15: the recognition that we want right now, if it's a

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Speaker 15: well being to us as well as.

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Speaker 1: To the company.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose it's probably true. Hey, Dan, thank you,

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Speaker 4: I appreciated. Good luck with getting your engagement up. That's

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Speaker 4: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent. Now, listen, this is not great

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Speaker 4: news for people who are about to have babies, thinking

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Speaker 4: of myself here or mums of newborns. But there is

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Speaker 4: a hoop and coff epidemic that's been declared in this country. Now,

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Speaker 4: hoop coff is quite freaky when it comes to it

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Speaker 4: affects older people quite badly, but also newborns get really

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Speaker 4: badly affected by it. What's happened is that in the

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Speaker 4: past few weeks, we've had a spike in cases. Right,

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Speaker 4: We've had two hundred and sixty three k of hoop

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Speaker 4: and cough. This is pitassis, this is what we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: And that's the highest number of cases that we've had

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Speaker 4: in a month in the last year. So it's obviously

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Speaker 4: right up there. And we have had a bit of

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Speaker 4: a run of this because we had spikes in May, June,

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Speaker 4: and July. Now what that thinking is going on is

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Speaker 4: that this is a bit of a lag of COVID,

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Speaker 4: So you know, COVID kept all this stuff out and

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Speaker 4: the borders open. Now we're getting it coming through. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: I'd love to know how much of this has got

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Speaker 4: to do with vaccine hesitancy, which has now obviously gone

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Speaker 4: up as a result of trying to force other people

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Speaker 4: to take the COVID vaccine and now they've gone a

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Speaker 4: bit weird. So we're going to talk to the Ministry

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Speaker 4: of Health about that. When they were with us just

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Speaker 4: after five, it's quarter.

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Speaker 4: Certainty Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with US.

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Speaker 16: Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon here, though I'd just like

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Speaker 16: to start with one little issue that I heard in

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Speaker 16: the news and I'm sure your listener has probably heard

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Speaker 16: it as well, that it was the best question I've

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Speaker 16: heard asked. And this whole debate over the gang patches,

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Speaker 16: and it was not us by a journalist, was asked

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Speaker 16: by the Prime Minister who suggested to journalists when they

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Speaker 16: interview the gang members and many of them have been

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Speaker 16: doing these poor little souls, He said that they should

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Speaker 16: be asking what did that gang member do to earn

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Speaker 16: his patch? And I've been yelling at the television news

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Speaker 16: saying ask them that question, because, like Mark Mitchell has said,

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Speaker 16: there's tears behind every patch yep that a gang member

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Speaker 16: wears on his stone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's understand what We're not just taking somebody's

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Speaker 4: jacket that they went down to working style and bought

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Speaker 4: off with their hard earned cash, which they earned sitting

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Speaker 4: behind their accountant's desk.

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Speaker 9: Is it.

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Speaker 4: No, It's like that patch has been earned through violent crime,

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Speaker 4: So ask them how they got it. Exact agree with

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Speaker 4: you and tyl Hey. So we've got some rules, have

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Speaker 4: we around how you submit to the Justice Select Committee

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Speaker 4: on the Treaty Principles Bill.

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Speaker 16: Yeah. The interesting thing is Heather. I think there's a

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Speaker 16: perception that now for the next six months we're going

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Speaker 16: to have people making submissions to the Parliamentary Select Committee. Well,

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Speaker 16: in fact, there's not going to be the case because

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Speaker 16: really the hearings are only going to be heard over

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Speaker 16: four weeks. They start at the end of January and

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Speaker 16: go through February, and that's because there's so much administration

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Speaker 16: that has to go through. When they receive the submissions,

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Speaker 16: they've got to read them, they've got to decide which

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Speaker 16: ones will be able to be heard before the Select Committee,

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Speaker 16: and there's a lot of rules about what sort of

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Speaker 16: accepted by the Parliamentary Committee. Now they'll hold hearings at Parliament,

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Speaker 16: but they're saying that they won't be able to hold

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Speaker 16: hearings on every submission that's sent to the Parliament on

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Speaker 16: the Treaty Principal's Bill. They'll be also doing them by

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Speaker 16: video conference, so there'll be that they won't accept submissions

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Speaker 16: that contain racist material, particularly overt racism and characterizing people

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Speaker 16: as racist and.

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Speaker 4: Of course call them race.

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Speaker 16: I should have a word to Willie Jackson, who's had

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Speaker 16: that label a lot strong swear words. They won't be

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Speaker 16: allowed abusive personal reflections against the MPs or other individuals.

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Speaker 16: David Seymour will be quite happy about that. But there

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Speaker 16: are a number of essentially rules that will be surrounding

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Speaker 16: these submissions, and I would say, let's hope that we

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Speaker 16: have a good, open debate on it without these terrible

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Speaker 16: labels being attached to people.

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Speaker 4: So is Karen shaw coppying a heavy time because one

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Speaker 4: of the kids who is at the boot camp has

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Speaker 4: gone on to reoffend.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well one of these fifteen year old toe rags

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Speaker 16: has gone out and burgled someplace and converted three cars

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Speaker 16: by the looks of it. And so she's been taking

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Speaker 16: flak from those who say these boot camps are a

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Speaker 16: waste of time and don't work at all. The point

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Speaker 16: that Karen Chure makes is that she can't personally do

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Speaker 16: anything about if these any of these ten youth who

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Speaker 16: were taken into the boot camp for the pilot, if

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Speaker 16: they reoffend. Of course you're going to get some people reoffending.

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Speaker 16: They're being given an opportunity to turn their lives around.

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Speaker 16: If they decided that they're not going to do that,

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Speaker 16: then of course they'll be reoffending, and that doesn't mean

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Speaker 16: to say that these boot camps are necessarily a bad idea.

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Speaker 4: So how many people, how many kids were at the

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Speaker 4: boot camp?

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Speaker 16: Ten in the lang?

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Speaker 4: How many have reoffended one? So that's a ten percent

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Speaker 4: failure rate. Yeah, so at the stage in ninety percent

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Speaker 4: success that's right.

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Speaker 16: Well, we don't know because they haven't completed.

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Speaker 4: Well, not at the stage. At the stage, it seems

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Speaker 4: like a really high bar. And this is criticisms coming

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Speaker 4: from the Greens large, is it coming from Ricardo with.

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Speaker 16: Well, I was coming from yes it is.

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Speaker 4: Now can I just point out to the Greens that

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Speaker 4: they have had a greater failure rate with their own MPs,

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Speaker 4: haven't they than the boot camps?

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Speaker 16: So well, the last year I've had three gone well yeah,

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Speaker 16: so one for offending, breaking the law.

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Speaker 4: Just saying, just saying they've had as many, by the

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Speaker 4: looks of things, out of their own caucus, they've had

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Speaker 4: as many breaking the law as the boot campus. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: thank you, Barry. We'll wrap the political week that was

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Speaker 4: later on with you to quarter past six. That's very

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Speaker 4: so for senior political correspondent eight away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 2: Time questions to the newspeakers the mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 17: I've got a question mark around the new proposed medical

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Speaker 17: school in Wycatto. It's National Party policy, of course, butack

679
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Speaker 17: to wonder about the maths and whether it all adds

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Speaker 17: up the act Leader David Seymore's with us.

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Speaker 18: It's absolutely an argument around how you get more doctors,

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Speaker 18: for example, when it makes sense to expand the two

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Speaker 18: very good medical schools we've got before we eat the

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Speaker 18: fixed costs on creating a new one.

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Speaker 9: This is a fight.

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Speaker 17: Have you been recruited by a tiger in Auckland because

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Speaker 17: they don't like the fight and broken?

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Speaker 19: You know?

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Speaker 18: I look at the lay the University of Auckland's behavior

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Speaker 18: to earlier.

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Speaker 9: In my deg we were forty second in the.

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Speaker 1: World when I was there.

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Speaker 18: Now we're one hundred and fifty because of the unending

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Speaker 18: crap they insist on teaching instead of actual science in academia.

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Speaker 9: That I was prejudiced that it'd be against author.

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Speaker 17: Back Monday from six am to the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 17: with the rain drove of the last news Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Can you please ask Barry what he thinks of Matthew

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Speaker 4: Howson's article in today's Herald. It's scathing, Bruce, Yes, thank

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Speaker 4: you for that. Barry's gone already, so maybe when he

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Speaker 4: comes back at quarter passis. But we'll try and get

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Speaker 4: try and get to the article. We've got a fair

703
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Speaker 4: bit to get through today, but we'll try to get

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Speaker 4: to the article. I'm getting a bunch of texts on

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Speaker 4: the ICC versus the ICJ just pulling me up on

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Speaker 4: saying that the ICC is part of the UN. It

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Speaker 4: is fair to split hairs on this the ICC. This

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Speaker 4: is the International Criminal Court that's issued there rest warrant

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Speaker 4: for netnya, who is not strictly part of the UN.

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Speaker 4: But it was set up by the UN. Right, So

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Speaker 4: what happened was the UN established and a treaty called

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Speaker 4: the Rome Rome Statute, and that was negotiated within the

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Speaker 4: UN and it is endorsed by the General Assembly. So

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Speaker 4: it's kind of part of that, you know that they

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Speaker 4: go all mess that the UN is, So thank you.

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Speaker 4: Splitting hairs is fair enough. Still stand by the point

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Speaker 4: that I was trying to make Blue Sky, Blue Sky.

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Speaker 4: Blue Sky is the new thing on social medis. So

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Speaker 4: if you don't like the twits anymore and you're sick

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Speaker 4: of it, you can migrate yourself over to Blue Sky,

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Speaker 4: and you know, Luke sky Waterker is there, like Mark

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Speaker 4: Hamill in real life. Lizo's there, and a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: of other people, and they seem to have all quit

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Speaker 4: because they're very angry that Donald Trump is back, and

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Speaker 4: they're blaming Muskie for it because Muskie obviously helped them,

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Speaker 4: and that's a fair point, and so on. Now twenty

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Speaker 4: one million other people are there, and the question, of

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Speaker 4: course is should you migrate yourself over to Blue Sky?

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Speaker 4: And I would say don't bother because just give it

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Speaker 4: up altogether. I'm primarily of the view just give it

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Speaker 4: up all together for your own mental health. But if

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Speaker 4: you absolutely have to go over there.

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Speaker 7: Go and do it.

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Speaker 4: But I suspect this is going to end up the

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Speaker 4: new Threads. Do you remember Threads? No, because because nobody does,

736
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Speaker 4: because Threads were supposed to be the face book version

737
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Speaker 4: of Twitter, and everybody was like, whoao threads. Yay, now

738
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Speaker 4: we can get away from Elon Musk and the evil

739
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Speaker 4: Twitter and who uses it exactly nobody. So anyway, Bill Bennett,

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Speaker 4: I'm quite keen to see he's a tech commentator that

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Speaker 4: actually knows what he's talking about unlike me, and I'm

742
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Speaker 4: quite keen to see whether he thinks it's also just

743
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Speaker 4: going to become a nothing. He's with us at quarter

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Speaker 4: past five. But next up, let's talk about the hooping

745
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Speaker 4: coffee and then we'll talk about the games.

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Speaker 1: New so zebby.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

748
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Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and news talk.

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Speaker 1: Said, be.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon. Health authorities have declared a national hooping cough epidemic. Now,

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Speaker 4: this is a very serious or other infectious disease and

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Speaker 4: it has actually particular can be particularly dangerous and serious

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Speaker 4: and even deadly for older people and newborns especially. Doctor

756
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Speaker 4: Nicholas Joan is the Director of Public Health at the

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Speaker 4: Ministry of Health. Hey Nicholas, hi there, listen, give me

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Speaker 4: some context. How worried are you? Are we just at

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Speaker 4: the start of something or are we full blown into

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Speaker 4: a massive problem right now?

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Speaker 20: Look, hooping cough is a serious disease, particularly as you said,

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Speaker 20: for children under twelve months, and we know that about

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Speaker 20: fifty percent of babies who catch hooping cough before that

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Speaker 20: age and are hospitalized under six months, I often need

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Speaker 20: to go into intensive care. So it's a serious disease.

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Speaker 20: We're at the beginning of this epidemic, and we've seen

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Speaker 20: in previous epidemics that can go on for about eighteen months.

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Speaker 20: The last time we had about forty seven hundred cases

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Speaker 20: reported over that time period, and judging by what we're

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Speaker 20: seeing overseas, we'd be expecting high numbers and that. Again,

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Speaker 20: so yes, it's a serious situation, but it's the beginning

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Speaker 20: and it's not going to it's not going to go

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Speaker 20: up overnight.

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Speaker 4: How long before we're full blown into it then it's.

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Speaker 20: Really hard to predict, but I think it's weeks to

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Speaker 20: months rather than days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Now what are you putting this down to.

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Speaker 4: Is this kind of a lag effect from the borders

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Speaker 4: being closed in US not having much of it around,

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Speaker 4: or is it vaccine hesitancy or is it a bit

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Speaker 4: of both.

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Speaker 20: Look, it's partly to do with this disease itself. You know,

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Speaker 20: the body's own immune response. This disease doesn't produce lifetime imenity.

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Speaker 20: So whenever you're in that situation that no vaccine is

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Speaker 20: going to give you lifetime immunity, so we're going to

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Speaker 20: be getting naturally waning immunity over time, and that builds

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Speaker 20: up in the population and we get these outbreaks. On

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Speaker 20: top of that, We've got situation where we've had our

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Speaker 20: borders closed and we've had control measures in place, a

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Speaker 20: lot of hygiene measures, et cetera with COVID, and we

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Speaker 20: think that probably means has been less infection in the community,

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Speaker 20: generally less opportunities for older children and adults to kind

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Speaker 20: of be boosted naturally. And we've seen this in other

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Speaker 20: countries that the levels are when it's come around again

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Speaker 20: seemed to be much higher. Whether I don't know how

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Speaker 20: much vaccine hesidency is contributing to this. I suspect not

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Speaker 20: as much as we might think. Look at an issue

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Speaker 20: and obviously getting your vaccines on time as one of

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Speaker 20: our key messages, but I think there's other factors at play.

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Speaker 4: Nicholas Hey, thanks very much for ruining us air at

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Speaker 4: Nicholas Jones, Director of Public Health at the Ministry of Health.

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Speaker 1: Ever due for see Ellens.

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Speaker 4: The number of gang members charged in the forty one

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Speaker 4: hours since the gang Patch band came into effects now

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Speaker 4: sitting at around about twelve, among them the Headhunter's president

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Speaker 4: in west Auckland, who was arrested in his pjas during

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Speaker 4: an early morning raid this morning. Assistant Police Commissioner Paul

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Speaker 4: Basham's with me. Now, hey, Paul, here are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Paul? Do you reckon that the gangs were expecting you

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Speaker 4: guys to go this hard and actually track them down

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Speaker 4: to their houses to get the patches off them.

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Speaker 9: Well, we've said right from the very beginning through this

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Speaker 9: period of engagement that we would be consistent in the

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Speaker 9: way that we took in fust connection or if we

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Speaker 9: could deal with it at the time. Was subsequent we

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Speaker 9: when it was safe to do so, well, when we

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Speaker 9: were following reports of breaches of the Gangs Act. So

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Speaker 9: for us, this is us following through on exactly what

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Speaker 9: we said, what do we do and sending a clear

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Speaker 9: message that the people are going to break the law

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Speaker 9: or breach the Gang Act in the way that has

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Speaker 9: secured up to this point. We will follow through that

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Speaker 9: they can expect us to take enforcement action.

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Speaker 4: How are you guys aware that they are doing this?

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Speaker 4: Are you actually seeing are your officers seeing them? Or

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Speaker 4: are you getting tips from the public.

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Speaker 9: It's a variety of things. It's a variety in the

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Speaker 9: way that all sorts of crime and incidents are reported

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Speaker 9: to us through sort of common channels. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 9: not just one thing. It comes in different ways. But

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Speaker 9: we've said that when this sort of stuff comes through,

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Speaker 9: we'll follow up as quickly as we can. And today's

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Speaker 9: search Wance it's a case in point where something was

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Speaker 9: reported in the early hours after the law came into effect.

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Speaker 9: We were able to make those inquiries, sort of draw

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Speaker 9: those dots together, as it were, and get out and

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Speaker 9: do those wants this morning.

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Speaker 4: Do you want us to do if we're driving down

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Speaker 4: State Highway one and we see a gang member or

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Speaker 4: a bunch of gang members being clowns about it, do

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Speaker 4: you want us to call it in?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely? You know, it's like they're breaking the law, and

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Speaker 9: we would expect people to make good judgments just like

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Speaker 9: they would have observed any other breach of the law.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we've been also sort of seending messages around.

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Speaker 9: Certainly if they are frightened or they're seeing something that's

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Speaker 9: kind of violent or arrest to safety, they will start

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Speaker 9: a triple one. If it's something that's a startical, they

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Speaker 9: can call one oh five or reported online. So all

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Speaker 9: of those normal channels and all those normal judgments that

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Speaker 9: people use all the time, and they make common decisions

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Speaker 9: around what they want to report to us.

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Speaker 4: How many of these cases and how many of these

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Speaker 4: cases have you found when you go around to the

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Speaker 4: house to get the patch, Gangs, guns and other stolen

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Speaker 4: stuff and things like that.

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Speaker 9: Well it's literally in terms of you know, you know,

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Speaker 9: going down on the search wors. Most of the enforcement

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Speaker 9: action that we've taken to date, there's a curred in

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Speaker 9: the public place where we've been able to move to

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Speaker 9: an aar rest and we'll see the pets in a

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Speaker 9: public place subsequent to better pest. But you know, it's

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Speaker 9: not uncommon for us to go through the front door

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Speaker 9: or the door being associated address for one reason and

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Speaker 9: stumble across, you know, or detect criminal offending on other grounds.

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Speaker 9: So that's always possible, and you know, I think this

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Speaker 9: is partly why members are encouraged to make good choices.

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Speaker 9: Was one, because if we want them to obey the law,

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Speaker 9: but have an interest in doing that because they don't

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Speaker 9: really want the heat and other parts of the criminal enterprise,

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Speaker 9: good stuff.

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Speaker 4: He Paul, Thanks very much appreciate it. That's Paul Basham,

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Speaker 4: Assistant Police Commissioner Heather Do for l Now, look you

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Speaker 4: if you're watching these cases, the people dying in Laos

876
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: from the methanol poisoning, and it's freaking you out. Look

877
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: fair enough if it's freaking you out, because who wants

878
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: who wants to go away on holiday, have a cocktail

879
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: and get in trouble. Here's a tip for you for

880
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 4: how to actually slow down the poisoning. If you think

881
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: you've got methanol poisoning, starts out apparently feeling you just

882
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: feel drunk, right, You just feel like you've just had

883
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: had something to drink, and then you start to feel sick,

884
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 4: and that's when you should be thinking, is this methanol poisoning?

885
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Speaker 9: Now?

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00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 4: Doctor Paul g who's an emergency specialist and toxicologists says,

887
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: one of the first aid things that you can do

888
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Speaker 4: is actually get your hands on legit alcohol, proper alcohol,

889
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: you know, the stuff without methanols. So look, I don't know,

890
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 4: wine spirits whatever in a bottle and then drink it

891
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: and basically that will stop the production of the acid temporarily.

892
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Speaker 4: That's the stuff that is making you. Second poisoning you

893
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: and it'll buy you time and in that time, get

894
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: yourself to a hospital and I'll check you onto dialysis

895
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: and intensive care. Five point fourteen. Oh by the way, Okay,

896
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Speaker 4: you've seen obviously by and now it's coming up seventeen

897
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: past five. You've seen obviously by now the All Black squad.

898
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: You've seen Ethan's back, Ethan's back out of the dog box,

899
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 4: Ethan de Groot, and you'll have seen that's a full

900
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: strength team. And we talked about it earlier on. We're

901
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: going to have a chat to Scott Hansen, who's the

902
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: All Blacks assistant coach. He'll be with us just after

903
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Speaker 4: the half past five years. Right at the moment, let's

904
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Speaker 4: talk about what's going on with social media. So apparently

905
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Speaker 4: the latest thing on social media is the thing called

906
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Speaker 4: blue Sky. It's like an alternative to Twitter. If you

907
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: don't like Twitter anymore, then you can migrate yourself over

908
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 4: to blue Sky, have a nice time with people who

909
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 4: feel the same as you do about Donald Trump's election

910
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: and Elon Musk and so on. And apparently it's hit

911
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 4: about twenty one million people using it. Tech commentator Bill

912
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Speaker 4: Bennett has been checking it out and is with us.

913
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: Hey Bill, Hi, any good?

914
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 12: It's really like old school Twitter, go back sort of

916
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Speaker 12: five or six years before Elon was involved, and again

917
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Speaker 12: a bit before that as well, and it's very similar.

918
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 12: It's got the same sort of vibe. It looks a

919
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 12: lot like Twitter. But there's a reason why it looks

920
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Speaker 12: a lot like Twitter, and that is because it's actually

921
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 12: a Twitter side project. It was started by the people

922
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 12: at Twitter. They were in effect rewriting the products, and

923
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 12: not long before Elon Must took it over. It's spun

924
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Speaker 12: off as a separate business. Kind of fortunate for them,

925
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Speaker 12: I suppose, given the way things turned out. So it's

926
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Speaker 12: really got that kind of old Twitter vibe to it.

927
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Speaker 12: It's not but it's not like Twitter in an of

928
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 12: really quite important ways. One thing is is that if

929
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 12: someone's annoying, if you're they're bothering, if you're a woman

930
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Speaker 12: and you're getting adrow from a bloke.

931
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Speaker 9: You can just block them.

932
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 12: You can just completely block them and you don't have

933
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Speaker 12: to hear from them and they don't hear from you.

934
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Speaker 12: And you can't do that on Twitter anymore. If you're

935
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Speaker 12: you know, if someone's bullying on Twitter, you've got to

936
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Speaker 12: put up with it, but you don't on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 12: The other thing is is that Twitter will decide what

938
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Speaker 12: it thinks you should see. So if you're actually still

939
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 12: on Twitter, you'll see an awful lot of what Elon

940
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Speaker 12: has to say his baby. You don't on Blue Sky.

941
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Speaker 12: You choose what you get to see. You don't get

942
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Speaker 12: someone else decide.

943
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Speaker 4: Like old school Twitter. Yeah yeah, okay, So I mean

944
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Speaker 4: this kind of thing kind of lives or dies based

945
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Speaker 4: on whether you get enough famous people. Got a few

946
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Speaker 4: few international famous people, got any famous Kiwis on it?

947
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Speaker 12: I don't think I've seen anyone who recognizable yet. You

948
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Speaker 12: certainly don't see any famous sports people on there.

949
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Speaker 4: Is what's going to work or is this going to

950
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Speaker 4: go the way of Threads?

951
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Speaker 12: Well, it's interesting at the moment. It's got twenty one million,

952
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Speaker 12: as you say, that's probably about a tenth for what

953
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Speaker 12: Twitter has. Threads should have more today than that. But

954
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 12: Threads is kind of It's got lots of people there,

955
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 12: but it's tumbleweed rolling down the street if you go there,

956
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 12: and Blue Sky is anxiety. But the thing is, I

957
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 12: don't think it's ever going to be another Twitter in

958
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Speaker 12: that it's going to be something that everyone goes. So

959
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 12: I think you're going to see a fragmented market with

960
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 12: different different social media platforms to people, you know, with

961
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 12: different vibes and different groups of people.

962
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Speaker 4: Interesting stuff. Bill, thanks very much, really appreciated. It's Bill

963
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Speaker 4: been at Tick commentator hither. I just had to look

964
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Speaker 4: at Blue Sky, let's say, or not be going there.

965
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Speaker 4: I'm not on Twitter either, but the rubbish from the

966
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Speaker 4: love's on there is ridiculous. It's not altogether a good

967
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: thing that this is happening, by the way. I mean,

968
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 4: like Twitter is horrible. You know that We've discussed that

969
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: a million times. But if you're going to have if

970
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: you're just gonna have Twitter now populated by a bunch

971
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Speaker 4: of right wingers, and then you're gonna have Blue Sky

972
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 4: populated by a bunch of left wingers, that's not really

973
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: that's just driving people into the echo chambers.

974
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Speaker 21: Right.

975
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: You're supposed to all hang out in the same place

976
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: so you can share ideas and not go further and

977
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: further into your corner. But anyway, whatever, this is the

978
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Speaker 4: way the world is going. I suppose now talked at

979
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Speaker 4: the start of the program about the arrest warrant that's

980
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: been issued for ben Yaman nettin Yaho. As I told you,

981
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 4: France won't answer the question as to whether they would

982
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: actually arrest him. They say it's legally complex. The UK

983
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: refuses to answer the question as to whether they would

984
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 4: arrest him. The US is not gonna arrest him because

985
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: they're not a member of the ICC. Netherlands and Italy

986
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: say they will arrest net and Yaho. It's very bloody

987
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 4: awkward for a bunch of countries, like especially European countries,

988
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 4: who are giving Israel arms, so they're actually helping Netanyaho

989
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: to do what he's doing, but then they're supposed to

990
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 4: arrest him when he arrives we in the country if

991
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: that ever happens. We're going to talk to a law

992
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: professor about this from Auckland University just after six see

993
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 4: whether this is ever going to actually result in an arrest.

994
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Bunnings next. I'm quite into this.

995
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 22: Five to twenty one, Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the

996
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 22: noise to get the facts. It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive

997
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 22: with One New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talk

998
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 22: as they'd be.

999
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 4: Hither I beat you one hundred bucks. You can't get

1000
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 4: it out of the All Blacks assistant coach? What happened

1001
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: to group? You're on muzz Let's see how we go

1002
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: five twenty four. Now listen on Bunnings. I'd been really

1003
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 4: fascinated this week by the drama unfolding in Australia over

1004
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: Bunnings using the facial recognition technology in its stores. We

1005
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: knew about this a little while ago, but this week

1006
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 4: it got smacked down by the Aussie Privacy Commissioner for

1007
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: it because, look, to be fair, Bunnings didn't tell people

1008
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 4: that they were using the facial recognition and they should

1009
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 4: have told people that they were using the facial recognition,

1010
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: but then the Privacy Commissioners had to crack at them

1011
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: for actually doing it in the first place. I actually

1012
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 4: think Bunnings is justified in doing what they were doing

1013
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 4: because let's talk about this, right have you. I've seen

1014
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 4: the footage of what is going on in the Bunning

1015
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 4: stores in Australia. They've put out some footage to try

1016
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: to explain to us why it is that they're doing

1017
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: this stuff, and honestly, what's going on there is out

1018
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: the gate. I mean there is one guy who pulls

1019
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 4: out what looks like a fairly significant hunting knife, walks

1020
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 4: up to a worker and holds it to their throat.

1021
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 4: There's another guy who comes in just holding a shotgun,

1022
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 4: starts walking through the store. And another guy is in

1023
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 4: a verbal altercation at the counters with a staff member

1024
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 4: just clean punches the staff member in the face out

1025
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 4: of the blue. Another guy runs out with both hands

1026
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: holding boxes of stuff that he's busy nicking, knocks one

1027
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: of the lady staffers to the floor. She looks like

1028
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: she cops her head on the concrete floor really bad.

1029
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: And it's like, it's rrific what these people are having

1030
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: to deal with. I can't blame Bunnings for wanting to

1031
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 4: scan everybody's faces before we come in and making sure

1032
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: that that guy who came in with the knife does

1033
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 4: not come in again, or that guy who punched the

1034
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Speaker 4: staff member does not come in again. I mean, isn't

1035
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: that fair enough? The Privacy Commissioner says this in Australia,

1036
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: just because a technology may be helpful or convenient does

1037
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 4: not mean its use is justified. Well, I don't know.

1038
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 4: I think it's justified in this case. I love Bunnings.

1039
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go there this weekend again because I'm just

1040
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 4: looking for excuses to go there, and I could not

1041
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: give two hoots if they scan my face. If they

1042
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 4: scan my face, go for your life, Bunnings, because I

1043
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: want you to scan my face to make sure I'm

1044
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 4: allowed in it, and then scan the next guy's face

1045
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 4: and make sure that he's not a bad guy. And

1046
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 4: if he's a bad guy, keep him out at the store.

1047
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: Because remember, if Bunnings thinks you're not a problem, they

1048
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: are going to delete your face like that, like it's

1049
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 4: gone in less than a second, the blink of an island.

1050
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: They say they're deleting it that quickly. Now, I reckon,

1051
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 4: this is an example of us worrying too much about

1052
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: the wrong thing, Like we're worrying too much about an unlikely,

1053
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 4: wild possibility of something happening like your face getting hacked

1054
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 4: or something, and not worrying enough about the much more

1055
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Speaker 4: likely possibility, judging by these videos, that someone actually gets hurt.

1056
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Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, privacy is important. I value my privacy,

1057
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 4: but geez, I tell you what I value the physical

1058
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 4: the physical safety of those workers. If I have to

1059
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 4: be honest, a lot more.

1060
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Speaker 1: Heather duplicy Ellen, this.

1061
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: Is cool for Catholics. Have a listen to this. There

1062
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 4: is a parish in Switzerland and you can go into

1063
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 4: the confessional and you can confess to Jesus. You don't

1064
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: have to make do with some crappy priest or like

1065
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 4: some I don't know, some standing. You can do Jesus.

1066
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 4: They've got an ai hologram of Jesus looks like what

1067
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: we think Jesus looks like. And the good thing is

1068
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 4: you're not going to fully believe it's Jesus, because I

1069
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: don't think that's healthy. Because apparently Jesus will say to you,

1070
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 4: peace be with you, brother, even if you're a sister.

1071
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: So there's still an element of understanding that Jesus is

1072
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: not altogether real, and apparently his answers is a little

1073
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: His answers are sort of trite and cliched. But yeah,

1074
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: there you go. You can go and make believe with

1075
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 4: Jesus in Switzerland. Isn't that cool? I actually think it's

1076
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: kind of cool.

1077
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Speaker 10: Headline's next.

1078
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Hard questions, what's the strong opinion ever?

1079
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected

1080
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: and news talk zed be.

1081
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 4: Heather, I'd be more worried about that Swiss Ai Jesus

1082
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 4: capturing data than Bunnings's face recognition. Love your show, JEFGFF,

1083
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 4: you're bang on. I mean, you're not telling Bunnings what

1084
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 4: you did last night, are you? But you are telling Jesus.

1085
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 4: So if they are recording that, you're in big trouble.

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Speaker 4: Fair point. Hey, Chijingpang apparently has been at G twenty

1087
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: and APEC this week, pitching himself as sort of the

1088
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: good guy versus Donald Trump is the bad guy. Peter

1089
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: Lewis will bear us in an hour out of Hong

1090
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 4: Kong and talk us through that. And also the sports

1091
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Speaker 4: huddle is standing by. It's twenty five away from six now.

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Speaker 4: The All Blacks have announced a surprisingly strong side to

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00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 4: face Italy this weekend. It's surprising because Italy has actually

1094
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 4: never once beaten us in the game of rugby union.

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Speaker 4: The game kicks off at ten past nine on Sunday

1096
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Speaker 4: morning our time, so tune into ZEDB for life commentary.

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Speaker 4: And Scott Hansen is one of the All Blacks assistant coaches.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Scott, good.

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Speaker 23: Morning here from turin, Italy.

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Speaker 4: Heather, Scott, I'll tell you what I'm excited about, in fact,

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Speaker 4: Ethan Degrusie's back.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, Ethan, I'm excited looking forward to this weekend

1103
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 23: tomorrow night, a big game up front against the Italians,

1104
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 23: a big, passionate forward pack, so great for us to

1105
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 23: send out the big man.

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Speaker 4: So were you going to spill the tea on what

1107
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 4: was going on? Was he naughty or was he unfit?

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00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 23: Or our protocols? Our protocols? As mentioned, our protocols didn't

1109
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 23: quite reach one of them. So at the time protocol

1110
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 23: nothing more serious than that, to be honest.

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00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: Oh are you telling me you missed a deadline?

1112
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 23: Pretty much? So, just the standards we have in the group,

1113
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 23: there's a deadline around where we needed to be. That

1114
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 23: was the protocol and as we always do, we've been

1115
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 23: held account to what that was as a group, and

1116
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 23: then for us it's just around just moving forward, which

1117
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 23: we've done. Ethan's excited for this game against the Italians tomorrow.

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00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: But was it like a you missed the deadline because

1119
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: you got two booths the night before and slept in

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Speaker 4: or was it just like you just mister deadline not

1121
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: a big deal.

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00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 23: Yeah, again, it's been dealt with either I appreciate the question.

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00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: It's been dealt with by.

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Speaker 23: Raiser, the leadership group, and as I said, Ethan's excited

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00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 23: for the weekend. We're bouncing forward, excited to see him

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Speaker 23: jump out.

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00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 4: No, I see where this is going. You don't want

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Speaker 4: to say that's all right, We're just fascinated by it. Now. Listen,

1129
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: I see Sam Kines in the starting fifteen. Now is

1130
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 4: this because he is your best or is it because

1131
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 4: it's his last game?

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Speaker 23: This is because this is the team that we need

1133
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 23: this weekend to perform really well. And Sam will wear

1134
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 23: the seven jersey, do you guys.

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00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: I mean it's quite we're all a little surprised that

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00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 4: you're fielding this super strong team given it's the Italians.

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00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 23: Oh, there's a lot of respect for the Italians here,

1138
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 23: as you would know Whither. They've done a very good

1139
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 23: job in your six Nations, very competitive there. They've brought

1140
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 23: us to Turin, near the mountains and the cold. So

1141
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 23: we're throwing a team that we know will do well.

1142
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 23: But we're going to be focused on our our performance

1143
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 23: of putting in a good one built around forwards, what

1144
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 23: we need there and also our experience on the day.

1145
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 23: So Hither for us, it's an all back team that's

1146
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 23: going out. It's it's got to put in a performance

1147
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 23: we can all be proud of, and it's of the

1148
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 23: group that we're looking to do that with this weekend.

1149
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Speaker 4: Scott, tell me, how do you feel you guys have

1150
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 4: gone this year in your first year as a coaching team.

1151
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 4: Do you reckon you've convinced us?

1152
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 23: Well, that's that's for you to decide. You've got the

1153
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 23: ability to here through your narrative to decide to adhither.

1154
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 4: So I reckon you have. I mean, but I look,

1155
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: I reckon you have because I reckon you took a

1156
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 4: team that was performing really inconsistently and at times really poorly,

1157
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 4: and you've managed to sort of it's a bit of

1158
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 4: a shaky start at the start of the year, but

1159
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: you've managed to get to the end of the year

1160
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 4: doing pretty well.

1161
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Speaker 2: Right.

1162
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Speaker 4: I think there are some rugby commentators who aren't as

1163
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: convinced as I am. So what do you reckon?

1164
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 23: There's definitely things to work on, and to be honest

1165
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 23: with you, hither, it's week to week here, so you

1166
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 23: build your performance around that weekend's test and you bounce

1167
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 23: into your Monday, you go through your learnings, whether it's

1168
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 23: the outcome was your way or not, then you bounce

1169
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 23: into the next Test. We haven't really sat back yet

1170
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 23: and analyzed the season as a whole because Test match

1171
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 23: rugby is so focused on each week. We'll get time

1172
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 23: to do that in the coming weeks together as a

1173
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 23: management group. But what I will say is we've been

1174
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 23: so proud of the group the way they've responded to

1175
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 23: our challenges. I think there's twelve due potents this year

1176
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 23: that have come on and represented dealbacks for the first time.

1177
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 23: All these little layers around how we've built our game,

1178
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 23: our relationships both on the field and off. Really proud

1179
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 23: of the group. Just an outstanding group of young men

1180
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 23: that represent New Zealand so well, both on and off

1181
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 23: the field. Where we go, the boys always complimented on

1182
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 23: how they behave their manners, how they look after people,

1183
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 23: so all these things in the background that I think

1184
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 23: is zone should be really proud of.

1185
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 12: The all Black sport.

1186
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 4: Now I heard that you guys are you are you

1187
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 4: using Juventus as changing sheds? Is that right?

1188
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 5: Well?

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00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 23: Possibly, we're definitely playing at the home field where we

1190
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 23: had the great privilege yesterday of going in and visiting

1191
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 23: their facilities and meeting some of their players and their

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 23: head coach. We went to their museum, which was amazing

1193
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 23: the history of the club. So tomorrow nights, you know,

1194
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 23: if we're in the in their shed, then again quite

1195
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 23: a cool little moment for us.

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Speaker 4: Scott, thank you so much, mate, go well tomorrow. That's

1197
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: tomorrow for you. Obviously a little bit longer for us.

1198
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 4: Our Sunday morning, our time, Scott Hansen, All Blacks assistant coach,

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Speaker 4: did I I mean, so what we got was Ethan

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00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: to group, mister deadline, but that's all we got. I

1201
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: felt like this a half win on the bet nineteen

1202
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 4: away from six.

1203
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1204
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Speaker 24: The way that they would like to be remembered more

1206
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 24: is like a good person from a small village in

1207
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 24: Majorca that just a kid that follow their dreams.

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00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 8: The guys were desperately disappointed last week. You know, we

1209
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 8: created so much and Breach just talk a few opportunities

1210
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 8: and you know it's been a big forty days for

1211
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 8: us and we want to finish on Saturday night with

1212
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 8: his performance with Creditive on the.

1213
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Speaker 4: Sports Tittle of Us this evening Matt Brown, Oceania Football's

1214
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: Confederations media manager and Nick Bewley, News Talk zbes Canterbury

1215
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: Sports Free to hire you two. All right, So Nick,

1216
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: obviously they want to end the year with a bit

1217
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: of a statement score. But apart from that, what do

1218
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 4: you reckon have they convinced us?

1219
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: Look, I think the first year ever worked up cycle.

1220
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: So anyways, very much a year of discovery and look,

1221
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: it hasn't probably been the revolution that some of US

1222
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 3: rugby commentators were expecting, but I think, as Scott Hanson

1223
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: alluded to there, they're very much in a better place

1224
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: than they were during the Rugby Championship. When I reflect

1225
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: on the year, that real black mark is that Argentina

1226
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: defeat at home. I think I've been on your program

1227
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: in this very slot saying there's no shame in losing

1228
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: to South Africa twice in South Africa, and I'll add

1229
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: to that, there's no shame in losing narrowly by the

1230
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: barrister margins one point to France in Paris. So look,

1231
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: we expect them to get the job done. And it

1232
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 3: would be a very different conversation next week if they

1233
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: somehow lost to Italy. But I think they can sit

1234
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: back at home provided they get the job done, and

1235
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: they should and look in Yes, four losses and black

1236
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 3: and white doesn't look so flash. But again, first year

1237
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: of a World Cup cycle. I can't remember the last

1238
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: time I was sitting at a pub with my mates

1239
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: talking about twenty sixteen or twenty twelve. It's all about

1240
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: the years twenty three, twenty nineteen, twenty seven in this instance.

1241
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: So I think it's a pass.

1242
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too, Matt. Matt. I was saying

1243
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: to one of the sports guys the other I'd read

1244
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,959
Speaker 4: somewhere that Razor has a winning rate at the moment

1245
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: of sixty nine percent. Now, obviously if he wins against

1246
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: Suttaly it'll go up, but sixty nine percent. They were like,

1247
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: is it that high? That's not that bad. It's not

1248
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 4: that bad, is it.

1249
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 25: Well, sixty nine percent is not great, to be honest,

1250
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 25: I mean, but then again, we've been blessed with people

1251
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 25: like you know, it's Graham Henry, Steve Hanson and.

1252
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 4: Graham Henris. It was a lot high, are you comparing

1253
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: it to Graham Henry's first year though not his first.

1254
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 25: Year when he lost what five tests in two thousand

1255
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 25: and was it two thousand and four?

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Speaker 1: If we go all the way back, yeh did you go?

1257
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 12: Yeah?

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00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 25: Look, I give him about a seven out of ten

1259
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 25: to be honest. I think performance wise at times, I

1260
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 25: think the England tests, we did not perform well in

1261
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 25: New Zealand, but they were the first two tests. I

1262
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 25: also agree with Neck about South Africa in other benchmark,

1263
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 25: at the moment, we could have won both those tests.

1264
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 25: They were that close in South Africa, and of course

1265
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 25: the highlight would have to be that winning Ireland to

1266
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 25: break their winning run of nineteen tests in a row.

1267
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 25: So yeah, a lot of positives, without a doubt. I

1268
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 25: mean to see guys like it's a tt to really

1269
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 25: emerge via and Byer's case, a real leader. I think

1270
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 25: TV is going to be there for a decade, I imagine,

1271
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 25: and you know, to see some of the young players

1272
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 25: start to come through. I still have real concerns over

1273
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 25: first five, particularly long long term. I don't see where

1274
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 25: where the next first five is coming after after Boaden

1275
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 25: Barrett and Demi McKenzie.

1276
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Speaker 1: So I think we have some concerns. But ye, overalls, overall.

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 25: I think yeah, A past mark for sure.

1278
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, let's take a break. I want to come

1279
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 4: back and talk about cocaine news. What a tease?

1280
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Speaker 2: Cauughter to the Friday Sportshuddle with New Zealand Southeby's International

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1282
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Speaker 4: Right, you're back with the sports tittle. Matt Brown, Nick

1283
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 4: Beuley like Matt okay, answer this question for me. Should

1284
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 4: we be suspending players for doing recreational drugs if we

1285
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: didn't even know that they were doing it and they

1286
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 4: did in their spare time and the only reason they

1287
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 4: did a recreational drug was because we found it in

1288
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 4: their blood because we were testing them for doping.

1289
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 25: Yes, yes, and yes ah, yes, I think we should look.

1290
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 25: It's banned for as a band stimulant under the water

1291
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 25: list for example. For that's the first point. And also

1292
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 25: you know it's against the law, so something illegal. I mean, yeah, and.

1293
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Speaker 1: It's a bad role model.

1294
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 4: But Matt okay, hang on to take so marijuana is

1295
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 4: also banned by WADA. That's not a stim like try

1296
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: taking marijuana and playing a game of cricket, right, And

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Speaker 4: nobody believes cocaine is actually a stimulant, it'll lasts for

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Speaker 4: about twenty minutes, and.

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Speaker 25: It's on the band Listen.

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Speaker 21: As an athlete, you know you can't compas technical sport. Yeah, technically,

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Speaker 21: and in my view if you if it's a band stimula,

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Speaker 21: I mean on the list, Matt, why is it?

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Speaker 10: That's not a question for me.

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Speaker 25: But it is on the list, and I and he

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Speaker 25: would have known it's on the list.

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Speaker 16: That's the other thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose. I mean, you can't get around the

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Speaker 4: rules cany nick. But it's a bit dumb, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I tend to agree with what Matt's saying. That's the

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Speaker 3: only point I'd make is that this Doug bracefl situation

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about in terms of recreational use.

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Speaker 1: You compare that to.

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Speaker 3: Josh Ada Tart who is in our news the rugby

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Speaker 3: league player over at the Canterbury Bulldogs pulled over by

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Speaker 3: the cops and a random roadside drug test ends up

1316
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: getting you test positive for cocaine. Is as NRL contractors

1317
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Speaker 3: is ripped up. But I do wonder there where you

1318
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Speaker 3: know where the cops should be doing this type of

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Speaker 3: thing when it comes to your road policing and what

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Speaker 3: have you? As opposed to drug free sportings, at least

1321
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Speaker 3: having a deeper conversation with some wider context around should

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Speaker 3: recreational drugs be on the on our list of of

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Speaker 3: what our what we're what we're seeking in terms of

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Speaker 3: obviously doping and and performance enhancing drugs. But ultimately, as

1325
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Speaker 3: Matt says, it's it's illegal dunk and all the other

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Speaker 3: New Zealand athletes will know it's there and that's and

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Speaker 3: that's the low.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So basically, how long do you do you guys?

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Speaker 4: I mean, like weed stays in your system for two weeks?

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Speaker 4: How long does coke stay in your system?

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Speaker 3: Asking the wrong people?

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Speaker 4: Heather, Yeah, that's a pregnant lady as well.

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Speaker 3: But look what the one thing I can say, and look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not condoning it by any way, shape or form,

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Speaker 3: but you do hear in sporting circles and this has

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Speaker 3: been around for quite a long time. I think the

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Speaker 3: Keywis rugby league team for example, that was the best

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Speaker 3: part of a decade ago. Now with Bromwich and Kim

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Speaker 3: Procter that it does exit the system within what twelve

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Speaker 3: to twenty four hours or something, So players no compared

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Speaker 3: to hangover more for performance.

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Speaker 4: It's just google and he said three days to a week.

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Speaker 4: The reason I was asking Nick was because basically what

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Speaker 4: you're talking about, I mean, dud brace Will has been

1346
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Speaker 4: playing cricket now for donkeys years. So what we're about here, Yeah,

1347
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Speaker 4: what we're talking about and let's remember it as illegal,

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Speaker 4: but what we are talking about is that you cannot

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Speaker 4: do these drugs recreationally for the duration of your career

1350
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Speaker 4: because if we find it in your system and you

1351
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Speaker 4: did it on a Friday night, you are going to

1352
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Speaker 4: You're going to be in trouble, regardless of whether it

1353
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Speaker 4: actually affects your performance. Right, yeah, yeah, that's that's life. Okay. Now, Matt,

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Speaker 4: I know that you're hugely into tennis. So how do

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Speaker 4: you feel about Nadal.

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Speaker 1: Of an Era?

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Speaker 25: I mean one of the greatest players, one of the

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Speaker 25: greatest three players that the world has ever seen. He

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Speaker 25: had an incredible career. I saw twelve of his fourteen

1360
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Speaker 25: French Open ones in Paris, so it really does you know,

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Speaker 25: he warns me warm my heart whenever I watched him play.

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Speaker 25: The greatest competitor I ever saw, So he will go

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Speaker 25: down I think is the greatest competitor in tennis, well,

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Speaker 25: you can say, I don't know if you can say

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Speaker 25: he's the greatest tennis player ever. The reason I wouldn't

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Speaker 25: agree with him being the greatest ever he won fourteen

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Speaker 25: it was twenty two slams on one surface. So in

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Speaker 25: terms of the all court game, you'd have to say,

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Speaker 25: you know, SIMI statistically Djokovic and in terms of the

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Speaker 25: style of play the way he played Federer for me,

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Speaker 25: probably still ahead of him in terms of the greatest

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Speaker 25: of all time, but right up there in the conversation

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Speaker 25: amazing athlete.

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Speaker 4: What's he going to do now?

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Speaker 1: Nick?

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Speaker 4: I heard that he's opening pickleball courts or something like that.

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Speaker 15: You know, whatever he likes.

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Speaker 3: Of course, he's got his foundations, he's got his academies,

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Speaker 3: you know, as Matt says, he'll go down as one

1380
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Speaker 3: of the greats. And I mean, you've sink of the

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Speaker 3: last few years as well has been I've been agonizing

1382
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Speaker 3: rarely to see him, you know, put what all that

1383
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 3: stress that he's put over and through his body and

1384
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Speaker 3: his knees and so on over the last fifteen or

1385
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Speaker 3: so years, sort of catch up with him.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think he spoke before this Davis Cup lost this

1388
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Speaker 3: week about saying he could have gone around another year,

1389
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Speaker 3: but he doesn't need that for his ego in terms

1390
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Speaker 3: of some farewell tour, and I think that's an excellent

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Speaker 3: decision for me. Anyways, someone who grew up with Nadal,

1392
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Speaker 3: Federer and Djokovic, you don't want to see your heroes

1393
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Speaker 3: kind of going out, bowing out and losing in the

1394
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Speaker 3: first round of the ASP Classic in Auckland. So yeah,

1395
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Speaker 3: Kurt Austin Nadell, it's one of my favorite athletes of

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Speaker 3: all time, the.

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Speaker 25: Most humble athlete. Heither the most humble athlete in sport.

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Speaker 4: I think sound like it a sounds like there is

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Speaker 4: not a bit of ego in that.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much. You guys, enjoy your week

1402
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Speaker 4: in a sport. That's Nick Beauley and Matt Browner huddle

1403
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 4: this evening ate away from six.

1404
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: Red or blue, Trump or Harris who will win the

1405
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: battleground states. The latest on the US election is Heather

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Speaker 2: duple c Allen drive with One News.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected these talks. It'd be.

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Speaker 4: Five away from six, Heather. We are harder on our

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Speaker 4: all Blacks captains than we are on our politicians. That's

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Speaker 4: actually a fair comment. I mean, it's not even an

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Speaker 4: All Blacks captain. By the way, if you're talking about

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Speaker 4: Ethan DeGroot, he's an All Blacks nobody even knows what

1413
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 4: he does, or he's just one of them's, do you

1414
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Speaker 4: know what I mean? He's not one of the superstars

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Speaker 4: of the All Blacks. No disrespect to Ethan, but we

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Speaker 4: haven't mentioned Ethan de Groot as a name on the

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Speaker 4: show as many times as we had since he did

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Speaker 4: something naughty about four weeks ago. Anyway, he does something

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Speaker 4: naughty and he misses out on three weeks of work,

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Speaker 4: doesn't he three weeks of work? Willie j calls David

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Speaker 4: s a liar in Parliament and he just gets kicked

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Speaker 4: out for the rest of the day. Then he comes

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Speaker 4: back again. So yeah too. Right now, listen, if you

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Speaker 4: haven't watched After the Party with Robin Malcolm yet, this

1425
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Speaker 4: may be your cue to do it.

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Speaker 1: Back in the day, women.

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Speaker 4: Weren't allowed to talk about anything, and that's what made

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Speaker 4: us kind of victims.

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Speaker 19: A lot of women make false accusations that complain joy

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Speaker 19: us at men's lives.

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Speaker 4: How do you know they're inoson?

1432
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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 4: The show has just premiered on TV in the UK

1434
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 4: and the critics cannot stop raving about it. The Guardian

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Speaker 4: has given it five stars, glowing praise for Robin Malcolm.

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Speaker 4: It's a bravura performance from the very beginning, continues with

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Speaker 4: glowing praise for Robin Malcolm, surely the performance of the year,

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Speaker 4: and it then ends with glowing praise for Robin Malcolm.

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Speaker 4: What a role, what an actor, what a performance? So

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Speaker 4: that's not bad Five stars from the Telegraph. Robin Malcolm

1441
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 4: deserves a bafter. Writing for The Telegraph, Anita Singh says

1442
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Speaker 4: the best TV performance of the year is by an

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Speaker 4: actor most British viewers won't recognize KIWI production that most

1444
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Speaker 4: won't see. Actor is Robin Malcolm in After the Party.

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Speaker 4: If Kate wins Little Sarah Lancashire played this role even

1446
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Speaker 4: half as well. That have bafters all sewn up? Five

1447
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Speaker 4: stars from Iron News. The best KIWI drama since Top

1448
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 4: of the Lake. Both a twisty and atmospheric, both have

1449
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: plots spun around ugly pasts rearing up in the present.

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Speaker 4: Both star actors Robin Malcolm and Peter Mullen. The Times

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Speaker 4: Sour Pusses only gave it all stars beautifully controlled, but

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Speaker 4: said the opening sequence was it was the best opening

1453
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Speaker 4: six minutes to a drama series I have seen and

1454
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Speaker 4: sometime thanks to both the scorching performance in great dialogue.

1455
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Speaker 4: So what a good day to be Robin Malcolm and

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Speaker 4: go and watch after the party Now listen. Slightly inappropriate.

1457
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Speaker 4: Slightly inappropriate. So I'm sorry, but have you looked at

1458
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Speaker 4: any of the photos of one direction from Liam Payne's funeral.

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Speaker 4: The reason I'm raising this with you is because I

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Speaker 4: looked at it and I was like, what's Elton John

1461
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Speaker 4: doing there? And I was like, oh, sure, that's not

1462
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Speaker 4: Elton John. That's Neil Niall Horn, who's thirty one, and

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Speaker 4: Elton John is like seventy five. He looks like Elton John,

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Speaker 4: got the helmet hair, he's got a little chubby face

1465
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Speaker 4: going on, it's got a little round glasses. If you

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Speaker 4: go and have a look and tell me I'm wrong,

1467
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Speaker 4: and you're gonna get cross to me because you're like, look,

1468
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Speaker 4: it's a funeral. You shouldn't be saying things like it,

1469
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Speaker 4: and I shouldn't, but I did have a lot and

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Speaker 4: let me know, news till to be.

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Speaker 2: We're business and that means the Insight the Business hour.

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Speaker 1: We're the header dup to c Ellen and my hr

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Speaker 1: on News Dogs be.

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Speaker 4: Stephen and coming up for the next hours. Ujenping is

1475
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 4: pitching himself as the good guy for the global economy.

1476
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 4: We have a chat to Peter Lewis about that when

1477
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Speaker 4: he's with us. In half an hour's time, Barry Soper

1478
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 4: will wrap the political week that was, and Gavin Gray

1479
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Speaker 4: out of the UK as well. At seven past six. Now,

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Speaker 4: as we know, the International Criminal Court has issued a

1481
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Speaker 4: warrant for the arrest of Israeli Prime Minister Bingham and

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Speaker 4: Nettan Yahoo. Now this means that if Netanya who sets

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Speaker 4: foot in any of the one hundred and twenty four

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Speaker 4: countries that are signatory's to the ICC, and that includes us,

1485
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Speaker 4: the authorities are expected to arrest him and hand him

1486
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Speaker 4: over to the court for trial. Israel, which is not

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Speaker 4: a signatory to the ICC, has condemned the decision. Now. TRUSSA.

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Speaker 4: Dunworth is an associate professor at Auckland University. Hey trusseer, Hi,

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Speaker 4: Heather Trusse. He's not going to get arrested, is he?

1490
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Speaker 19: He may well get arrested, It depends on where he goes.

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Speaker 4: So if he stays in Israel not a signatory, he's okay.

1492
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 4: If he goes to the US, he's okay. Presumably, Actually

1493
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Speaker 4: what happens when he got quite interested to know what

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01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 4: happens if he goes to any of the European countries

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Speaker 4: who as signatories but are supplying ams, are they necessarily

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Speaker 4: going to hand him over.

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Speaker 19: Well, we don't know whether they're going to hand him

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Speaker 19: over or not, but they're certainly legally obliged to hand

1499
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Speaker 19: him over. And a number of the states already today

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Speaker 19: the European states have started making official statements about what

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Speaker 19: their position would be, and some of them are very

1502
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 19: clear that they will surrender, like the Netherlands has said

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Speaker 19: it will surrender, and the Netherlands supply components of the

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Speaker 19: f thirty five's to Israel, but they have specifically said

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Speaker 19: that they would surrender. To my knowledge, Germany hasn't yet

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Speaker 19: made a statement. France has said that it is mindful

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Speaker 19: of its obligations and it will act in line with

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Speaker 19: the Rome Statute, but when specifically asked would its surrender,

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Speaker 19: it said that that was a legally complex question, and

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 19: the UK stated that it respected its obligations under the

1511
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 19: Rome Statute. But when it was again specifically asked what

1512
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 19: would they do if a netting now who was in

1513
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 19: their territory, it didn't. It fudged the answer basically, So

1514
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 19: we just don't know what's going to happen.

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 4: Trust, So this is a big move for the ICC

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 4: because I mean, is it fair to say it's actually

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 4: put its own reputation on the line here.

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 19: Well, I don't see how this is a matter for

1519
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 19: the ICC's reputation.

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 4: Well, okay, let me outline it to you. So, first

1521
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 4: of all, this is the first time it's issued, as

1522
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 4: far as I can see, issued a warrant for the

1523
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,640
Speaker 4: arrest of a democratically elected leader. Secondly, this is a

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 4: a leader supported by Western allies, which is pretty unusual.

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01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 4: And then thirdly, if it gets to the point that

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01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: he actually turns up in any of these countries, for example,

1527
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 4: the UK and France and they don't hand him over,

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01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 4: that's really undermining of the ICC, isn't it.

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Speaker 19: Well, you've raised a number of questions. We might say

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01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 19: that it has enhanced the ICC's reputation that it has

1531
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 19: been prepared to issue an arrest warrant for someone where

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01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 19: there is ample evidence to have a reasonable belief that

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 19: there would be a conviction if he came to trial.

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01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 19: And yet he is a Western ally because over the

1535
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 19: last couple of decades, the criticism of the Court has

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01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 19: been that it just goes after the African states and

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01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 19: heads of states from the global South, and that it

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01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 19: is in fact biased in that way. So in one

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 19: sense we could say that this might and have set

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 19: the record straight.

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Speaker 4: Do you think, though, that it risks maybe losing membership? No,

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 4: you don't think anybody's going to say this is to

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 4: a bridge too far. We support this guy, We're gonna

1544
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 4: pull out.

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01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 19: No, who would do that?

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01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 19: States except for the United States hasn't joined it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, okay, does he have any appeal rights here?

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01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 19: He will have an appeal right, So if he is convicted,

1550
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 19: he will have appeal rights he has had in terms

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01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 19: of the issuing. You know, because it was six months

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01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 19: ago that the prosecutor of the Court applied to the

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 19: chambers or to the judges for an issue of an

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 19: arrest warrant and Israel exercised its right to There weren't appeals,

1555
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 19: but there were challenges to the court's authority and in

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 19: issuing these arrest warrants. The court has also said, we

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01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 19: don't accept your arguments that this case is inadmissible, and

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01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,480
Speaker 19: we don't accept your arguments that we don't have jurisdiction.

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:16,520
Speaker 19: So they're not exactly appeal rights because they are challenges

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 19: prior to the decision, But of course if there was

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 19: a trial and a conviction, there would be appeal rights

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 19: in the usual way.

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Speaker 4: Trussell, listen, fascinating topic. Thank you so much for giving

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01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 4: us your thoughts on that. That's trusted done with, Associate

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 4: professor at the University of Auckland's Faculty of Law. I've

1566
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 4: got to get you across pretty It's an article in

1567
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 4: the Telegraph today, pretty interesting signs that Zelenski is preparing

1568
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 4: himself to basically give up in the face of Donald

1569
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 4: Trump and various other things. Anyway, i'll run you through

1570
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 4: that before this half hours through. Got a little bit

1571
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 4: of good economic news coming out of the top brass

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Speaker 4: and the private companies for you. They're feeling far more confident.

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Speaker 4: These are the directors, far more confident about the economic

1574
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Speaker 4: prospects than they were a year ago. The Institute of

1575
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 4: Directors in ASB done a survey together and they found

1576
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 4: that fifty two percent of board members and private companies

1577
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 4: now expect the economy to improve in the next year.

1578
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 4: Now that's compared to twenty eight percent last year. So

1579
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 4: twenty eight percent, slightly more than a quarter thought yeah,

1580
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 4: it'll get better in the next year, and now it's

1581
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 4: more than half think it's going to get better in

1582
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 4: the next year. Last year, fifty six percent actually thought

1583
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 4: that the economy was going to get worse, and they

1584
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 4: proved to be right, didn't they. Anyway, are the things

1585
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 4: that are still worrying them the most cost of living

1586
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 4: and inflation forty two percent of them, Challenges to the

1587
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 4: global economy thirty three percent of them, and then low

1588
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Speaker 4: productivity third biggest economic concern thirty two percent of directors.

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Speaker 4: It's thirteen past.

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Speaker 4: Whether I'm not sure who won massback mass Back, I'm

1613
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 4: not sure who won that bet, but I actually think

1614
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 4: there was more to it than just Ethan Degroom being

1615
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 4: a little late. And you think so because they were like, ah,

1616
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 4: he missed a deadline, and then when you're like, oh,

1617
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 4: yeah it was there, Booze involved. Now we're not talking

1618
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 4: about it anymore. So, yeah, there was more to it

1619
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 4: than just missing a deadline, wasn't there seventeen past six?

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01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 4: Now let's wrap the political week. That was with our

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01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 4: senior political correspondent, Barry Soap. But welcome back Barry.

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Speaker 16: Hello again, Heather.

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01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 4: Listen, where are we at with the punishment that's going

1624
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 4: to be meted out to these guys who did the

1625
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 4: hucke in parliament?

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Speaker 16: Well, unfortunately the Speaker was absent yesterday Jerry Brownlee. I'm

1627
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 16: not sure why, but he wasn't there. So we'll now

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01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 16: have to wait until December the tenth, which is when

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01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 16: Parliament resumes, So it's now adjourned until then. But there's

1630
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 16: little doubt in my mind that there will be at

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01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 16: least three Malori MPs who'll be facing Maori Party Party MPs. Yes,

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01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 16: who'll be facing privileges. I don't think there's been a

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 16: complaint laid.

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01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 4: Against pen Oh that sucks for her.

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01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 16: Well, you know, well he try.

1636
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 4: To get in on their party. Everybody's forgotten about Penny.

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01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 16: I mean, they may may do, but as I understand it,

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01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 16: it's just the Maldi MPs, the Maray Party MP's that

1639
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 16: they'll be facing privileges. But the problem with the Privileges Committee, Heather,

1640
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 16: is that, as we all know, it ends up with

1641
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 16: a slap on the wrist of the wet bus team

1642
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 16: because the rules that well, the penalties that are open

1643
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 16: to the speaker are fairly limited and they are fairly light.

1644
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 16: But they are looking at them again. They have a

1645
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 16: committee that looks at these things, and they'll be coming

1646
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 16: up with I imagine better punishments or more severe punishments

1647
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 16: like docking pay or docking the amount of money that's

1648
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 16: paid to keep political parties going in the House. So

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01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 16: I think that you'll see that will come into place,

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01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 16: probably maybe next.

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01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 4: Year, won't have an effect. And I'll tell you why,

1652
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 4: because if you're the Mariori party and you are able

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01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: to look at look at the attention that they've got,

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01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 4: on the support that they've got for this, right, Yeah,

1655
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 4: all you need is call for donations to supplement what

1656
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,799
Speaker 4: you've lost. Problem solved.

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01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 16: Yeah no, And that's the problem, isn't it. If you

1658
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 16: live in a democracy, you might want to punish, but

1659
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 16: they're elected to Parliament whether we like it or not.

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01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 4: I I mentioned earlier in the program that Audrey Young's

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01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 4: written a really good piece actually on why the Hikoy

1662
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 4: was so important, and it was in her argument is

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01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 4: simply because it's introduced a whole new generation to the

1664
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 4: idea of Mary's sovereignty and got them really worked up

1665
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 4: about it. And so it basically makes sure that that

1666
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 4: battle continues for decades to come. That is really important,

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01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 4: isn't it.

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 16: Well it is. And like I've said that the Maori

1669
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 16: Party are the winners and all of this because this

1670
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 16: was a political event. Make no mistake.

1671
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 4: Is she saying beyond the Maori Party what this is

1672
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 4: as energized as a whole new group of people to

1673
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 4: keep that fight going.

1674
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 16: Oh it does. Whether we like the fight is another matter.

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 16: I'd prefer to have a reason debate, which is now

1676
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 16: what David Seymour will get with the bill going to

1677
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 16: a Select committee for the next six months. Now, there's

1678
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 16: some rules as I talked about earlier surrounding the select

1679
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 16: committee process, but nevertheless there will be a lot of

1680
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 16: and varying a lot of and varying opinions are given

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01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 16: to that select committee, and I hope it's a good,

1682
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 16: intelligent debate. This notion that David Seymour is going to

1683
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 16: in some way change the treaty is patently absurd.

1684
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 4: To be fair, that is basically a lie.

1685
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 16: Well, of course it is, and it's been propagated by

1686
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 16: the man who obviously fancies you, Heather will he Jacks

1687
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 16: my boyfriend, Yeah, your boyfriend, Willy Jackson. And you know,

1688
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 16: he says the treaties under attack. The treaty is going

1689
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 16: to be changed, while of course it's not going to

1690
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 16: be changed. The principles have been part of the legislative

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01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 16: process now for many years and they can probably continue

1692
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 16: to be unless somebody like the New Zealand Force have

1693
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 16: tried in the pastor oral.

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 4: I mean, the important part here is that the treaty

1695
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 4: was written in eighteen forty and the principles were literally

1696
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 4: dreamt up in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, right, by the

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01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 4: government in all of our lifetimes. Right, Hey, the new

1698
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 4: police commissioner, how good is this guy?

1699
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 16: Well, you know, look he came across to me like

1700
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 16: an old time cop, and I think that's what people

1701
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 16: basically want in their police commissioner. Andrew cost a very.

1702
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 4: Nice man, but a social worker.

1703
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 16: More of us. Well, he's in the right job now,

1704
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 16: is that social agency? So I think Richard Chambers is

1705
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 16: like some of the old commissioners that I used to

1706
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 16: know when I was in Wellington, and they were pretty

1707
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 16: good old cops. And I think Richard Chambers seems to

1708
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 16: be like that, and of course he had to hit

1709
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 16: the ground running with the gang patches coming into effect

1710
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 16: almost immediately, and three minutes after midnight the first arrest

1711
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 16: was made. And you know, the gangs might be trenchant

1712
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 16: in their view that they'll be able to keep their patches,

1713
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 16: but I'll tell you what it seems. The cops have

1714
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 16: now been geared up, and I've had so many meetings

1715
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 16: around the country with around the country with gangs that

1716
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 16: the gangs should be no doubt that they mean business totally.

1717
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 4: Barry, thanks very much, Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. Rapping

1718
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 4: the political week that was listen, I said I would

1719
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 4: get to Matthew Houston's column on Chris Luxen. So let's

1720
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 4: do it next, shall we. And I'd say this with

1721
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 4: a grimace on my face, because who it's tough one

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Speaker 4: six twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 4: Up to date with what Meghan and Harry have been

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Speaker 4: up too. Lately, You're gonna want to know this stuff

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Speaker 4: because especially if you love Megan and Harry. Okay, Sex

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Speaker 4: twenty five, Here we go, embrace yourself. It's brutal. Christopher

1731
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Speaker 4: Luxen is completely out of his depth. Matthew Houton, so

1732
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 4: this is his peace In the Herald today, he says,

1733
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I mean. I never read anything

1734
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 4: more brutal about about Christopher Luxon. Prime Minister is too

1735
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 4: arrogant to resign, at least before the election. But those

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01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 4: who I've argued that the former corporate bureaucrat lacks the

1737
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 4: attributes required for successful national leadership have been proven right.

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Speaker 4: Like David Brent, as in Ricky Gervasis David Brent, Christopher

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 4: Luxen has an unfounded sense of his own personal charm

1740
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 4: while also running down his colleagues behind their backs. His

1741
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 4: lack of understanding of the National Party means that he

1742
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 4: means he fails to understand that everything that he says

1743
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 4: about another MP soon gets back to them. However, his

1744
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 4: lack of understanding of New Zealand, partly but not solely

1745
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,879
Speaker 4: because he lived abroad, is more serious. He says Luxon,

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01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 4: and this is just a taste of the stuff that

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01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 4: Houson says about Luxon, Luckson appeared to demonstrate little, if

1748
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 4: any curiosity about the country he wanted to lead. His

1749
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 4: record at in New Zealand was mixed. His language resembles

1750
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 4: a cheap self help book if he genuinely believes that

1751
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 4: our long term fiscal and health crises can be solved

1752
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 4: through cost cutting. In Wellington alone, he is as enumerate

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01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 4: as he seems illiterate. Clark and Key had the knowledge, intelligence,

1754
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 4: and personal attributes to charter Middle Path between China and

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01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 4: the US and shows no sign of it. So obviously

1756
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Speaker 4: Houghton doesn't love Luxon. Then he says, then he has

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01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 4: a crack at quite a big crack at Luxeon for

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Speaker 4: the way that he's handled the Treaty Principal's bill, and

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Speaker 4: importantly says he had been warned about this by his

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Speaker 4: own advisors and senior MPs. Then he says he could

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Speaker 4: at least appreciate his cabinet ministers and not some kind

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Speaker 4: of Ilford second eleven captained by Sir Donald Bradman, but

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01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: at least half of them would be doing his job

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01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 4: much better than he is. Now I know I'm getting

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01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 4: text saying Matthew Howsion is bitter and look back Matthew.

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01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 4: Matthew can be very very very very harsh. But if

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Speaker 4: I was Lux and I'd be worried about this for

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Speaker 4: a couple of reasons. The first reason is clearly people

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Speaker 4: are talking, and those people are either MPs or staff

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Speaker 4: or both. But people are talking, and I'm hearing some

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Speaker 4: of this stuff as well. That the running down of

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Speaker 4: people behind the backs and stuff, I'm hearing that as well.

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Speaker 4: So people are talking and it's getting to Matthew Housion.

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Speaker 4: And also nobody talked about John Key like this, So

1775
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 4: people are unhappy and I think he should be a

1776
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 4: little bit concerned.

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Speaker 2: Headline's next, everything from SMS to the big corporates, The

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Speaker 2: Business Hour with Heather duple c Als and my HR,

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Speaker 26: Babe for the first time, babies, fum.

1781
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Speaker 22: Your blood.

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Speaker 4: Heither who the labor is any better.

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Speaker 2: Than Chris Lux.

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Speaker 4: And here there has Matthew Howson ever been that critical

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Speaker 4: of Chippy. I just need to know if he's got

1786
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 4: biased or not here that Matthew Houston should ask Chippy

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Speaker 4: to lead the country and luxe and to the resigned,

1788
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 4: would all be doing so much better, have a great

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Speaker 4: education system and no dairy farms. Thanks for that. Now,

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Speaker 4: Okay Netflix?

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Speaker 14: Is it on Netflix?

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Speaker 4: Is that on Netflix?

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Speaker 21: Are?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Netflix has it? And Mesa because remember they got

1796
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Speaker 4: paid all of that money by Netflix. They've actually managed

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Speaker 4: to come through with something for Netflix again, and it's

1798
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 4: not every day that they managed to do that. They've

1799
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Speaker 4: been making a documentary series. Now, don't roll your eyes

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Speaker 4: just yet, because it's none of this do good bs

1801
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 4: that we've got used to with them. This is more

1802
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 4: keeping up with the Kardashians. The new show is called

1803
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 4: Polo and it's absolutely about Harry's favorite sport, polo, and

1804
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Speaker 4: the trailer is out. We ed, we breathe, We sleep Polo.

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Speaker 6: For sure, it's glamorous.

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Speaker 14: It's a sexy sport, too dirty, sweaty boys riding.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you have any polo players in

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Speaker 4: your life, but I'll tell you what, there's nobody as

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Speaker 4: naughty as a bunch of polo players. Now. Meghan and

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Speaker 4: Harry have both been named as executive producers for the

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Speaker 4: series five episodes. It shows Polo team's intense rivalries and

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Speaker 4: the lead up to the US Open Polo Championship. And

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Speaker 4: so if you're enter this kind of drama, this one's

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Speaker 4: for you. My father, here's the team motive and coaches us.

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Speaker 10: Sometimes I don't.

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Speaker 4: Like to hear criticized.

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Speaker 24: Timmy Goodnight do many handoffs didn't more well, the transitions

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Speaker 24: were not drive.

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Speaker 1: Much to this.

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Speaker 4: December ten, Netflix gither dup c Ellen right with us.

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Speaker 4: Right now, we've got Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent.

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Speaker 27: Hey, Peter, Good evening header.

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Speaker 4: Peter. How was Hong Kong reacting to these democracy leaders

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Speaker 4: being jailed?

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Speaker 28: Well, it depends who you ask, really, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 28: the governments and the government supporters say that the Hong

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01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 28: Kong forty seven, there was actually forty five of them

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01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 28: convicted out of the forty seven, we're trying to subvert

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01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 28: Hong Kong and overthrow the governments. Now, what they will

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Speaker 28: say and what their supporters will say is it wasn't

1831
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,839
Speaker 28: overthrowing the governments. It was trying to win the election.

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Speaker 28: And remember what their crime was. It was basically they

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Speaker 28: held a primary election to decide which of their candidates

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Speaker 28: was best place to stand in the district's elections, and

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Speaker 28: then whoever won that primary would then gone on to

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Speaker 28: be the handidate in those elections. And obviously they were

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Speaker 28: trying to win that election and ultimately replace the governments.

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Speaker 28: There was a real chance at the time that they

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01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 28: could have won enough seats to certainly control the Ledge Code. Now,

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Speaker 28: the thing about that is that actually under the Hong

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01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 28: Kong Basic Law, which affected Hong Kong's constitution that came

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Speaker 28: into effect when China handed it back to when England

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Speaker 28: handed Britain handed it back to China, this was perfectly legal.

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Speaker 28: These types of elections have been held in the past.

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01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 28: The Basic Law stipulates that a party that wins the

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Speaker 28: election and forced the government to have to resign by

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01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 28: not approving its budget, and that's exactly what they intended

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Speaker 28: to do. But nevertheless they were found guilty of serversion.

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Speaker 28: And the other notable thing about it is the way

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Speaker 28: the trial was held. The forty seven were denied the

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Speaker 28: right to a trial by jury, which would be the

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01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 28: normal case here in Hong Kong, and instead three judges

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01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 28: heard the case. Now, those three judges were hand picked

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 28: by the Hong Kong Chief Executive, John Lee s and

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Speaker 28: his predecessor were handpicked by the governments in effect, and

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Speaker 28: also they were denied some of the representation that they wanted,

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Speaker 28: the legal representation that they wanted. And that's one of

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01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 28: the features of the Jimmy Lai case that's going on

1859
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 28: at the moment. He was denied the opportunity to have

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Speaker 28: his choice of barrister represent him who was from the overseas,

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01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 28: because he was seen as a national security risk. So

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Speaker 28: a lot of worrying things about this case overall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, Hey tell me something about usingping. So is

1864
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 4: he pitching himself as kind of like the good guy

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Speaker 4: in the world at the moment.

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Speaker 28: Absolutely, He's been in South America. He was at the

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Speaker 28: APEX summit of the g twenty summach in in Rio.

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Speaker 28: Here's an effect presenting himself as the champion of globalization

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Speaker 28: and free trade. He's sort of stepping into the void

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01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 28: that the US has left or will leave when Donald

1871
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 28: Trump arrives in office. And he's been basically talking up

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01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 28: the advantages of free trade. He's saying that globalism can't

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01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 28: be unwound. It's absolutely essential to stop the fragmentation of

1874
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 28: the world economy. Now, part of this, of course, is

1875
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 28: because of China's economy, which is struggling at the moment,

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01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 28: and what it doesn't want. The thing that Chiging Ping

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01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 28: most fears is that if Donald Trump imposes tariffs on

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01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 28: exports of Chinese goods, other nations might follow suits, particularly

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Speaker 28: in emerging markets. And there are some countries in South America,

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Speaker 28: like Chile, like Brazil that have also imposed tariffs on

1881
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 28: Chinese goods because they're worried about the flood of imports there. Well,

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Speaker 28: that's a trend that Chiging Pig absolutely doesn't want to

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Speaker 28: see because it will be disastrous for China.

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Speaker 12: So he is a.

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Speaker 28: Meeting with all sorts of leaders in South America, presenting

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Speaker 28: himself as a free trade person and wants the global

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01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 28: sealth countries in the global selth to support him in

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Speaker 28: that arrangement.

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Speaker 4: And what about this business with the North Korean troops

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Speaker 4: in Ukraine, I mean or not in Ukraine rather than

1891
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Speaker 4: Russia fighting Ukraine. This must be incredibly uncomfortable for China,

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Speaker 4: isn't it?

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Speaker 28: It is, and is saying absolutely nothing about it. He

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01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 28: was asked several times in press conferences while he was

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Speaker 28: in Rio what his stance was on that, and has

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Speaker 28: said nothing. Official about it, and Chinese state media have

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01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 28: said nothing about it either in their press releases. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 28: it's an issue that is very uncomfortable for Jugen Ping.

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Speaker 28: What he did say was that he told the presidents

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Speaker 28: of South career that things have changed on the Korean peninsula,

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Speaker 28: but he said that Beijing. He said Beijing will continue

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01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 28: to play a constructive role in its own way to

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01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 28: end the conflict. Now he didn't say quite what its

1904
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 28: own way was, and certainly most people didn't envisage that,

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01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:21,759
Speaker 28: including North Korean troops being in Ukraine. But the problem

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01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 28: for him is is this is an issue where in

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Speaker 28: contrast to what he's trying to do on trade, he

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01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,759
Speaker 28: has been very much sidelined. This is all down really

1909
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Speaker 28: to the US and EU and NATO in terms of

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Speaker 28: what happens here next. Has really very little that President

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Speaker 28: g can do to influence the outcome. But it does

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Speaker 28: appear he has less sway over North Korea. I mean,

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Speaker 28: many people thought that, you know, he will be able

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Speaker 28: to dissuade came to women from doing this doesn't appear

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Speaker 28: to have been the case, and it seems to be

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Speaker 28: Russia that has more sway over North Korea. At the moments,

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Speaker 28: which is certainly something that President g won't appreci but

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Speaker 28: he's not saying in public what is thought so on

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Speaker 28: this and what is doing behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating. Hey, thanks very much, Peter, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondent will speak to you and

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Speaker 4: in a week listen, let's go to the UK find

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Speaker 4: out what they are making of this business with the

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Speaker 4: ICC wanting to arrest ben Yamin Netanyahu seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather duplic Eland and my HR

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Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy smys on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Somebody, by the way agreed with me about Nile Horen

1929
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Speaker 4: looking like Elton John, so I'm not alone. Apparently he

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Speaker 4: just needs to not smile and put the little glasses

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Speaker 4: on and it's spitting image. Fourteen away from seven and

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Speaker 4: Gavin Gray, UK Correspondence with US. Gavin Allo, I'll have

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Speaker 4: to check that out, Okay, Gavin. It's slightly awkward because

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Speaker 4: you are looking at funeral photos when you do this,

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Speaker 4: so I'm I'm it's inappropriate what we're discussing, but go

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Speaker 4: and have a look and then you know, and you

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Speaker 4: could see Elton John aged thirty one basically now on

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Speaker 4: the ICC business with Binyamin Ninyahu. What is the UK's position.

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Speaker 4: Are they going to arist him or not?

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Speaker 27: Well, that's what's being asked of government ministers. Europe has

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Speaker 27: come out in very very strong support of the arrest warrants.

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Speaker 27: The EU Foreign Policy Chief Josette Burrell said, it's not

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Speaker 27: a political decision that's been made. It should be respected

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Speaker 27: and implemented by the entire block of Europe. Now in practice,

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Speaker 27: of course, that means that if Benjamin Etna who steps

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Speaker 27: onto the soil of the European Bloc, he should be arrested,

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Speaker 27: as would be his former defense minister, and if he's

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Speaker 27: still alive the military command of Hamas.

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Speaker 10: So Europe coming out very.

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Speaker 27: Strongly in support of this. Let's not forget the ICC.

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Speaker 27: The International Criminal Court is based in the Hague in

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Speaker 27: the Netherlands, and Israel and the US are not one

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Speaker 27: of the two one of the one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 27: four member states, so they don't have to do that,

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Speaker 27: they don't have to recognize it. But certainly of the

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Speaker 27: one hundred and twenty four member states. It would appear that, yes,

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Speaker 27: they will be arrested as they touch down there.

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Speaker 4: Right, But I mean you speak of Europe doing it,

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Speaker 4: but then France has said it's legally complex and that

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Speaker 4: they haven't committed to arresting. So there seems to be

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Speaker 4: a little bit of wavering within the block.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 27: Oh, as is always heather with the block of the

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Speaker 27: European Union. A little bit of disagreements, but certainly I

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Speaker 27: think you know that that is a binding thing, that

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Speaker 27: it's all together in one block. So yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 27: quite sure how France are going to get out of it.

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Speaker 27: But each country will feel very uncomfortable about this, I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: And then what do they do, Jobby? Do they continue that?

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Speaker 4: Do they say, you know, in one breath, yep, Okay, fine,

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Speaker 4: we're going to arrest the guy if he lands here.

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Speaker 4: But then on the other hand they continue to supply

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Speaker 4: him with the arms to commit these alleged crimes.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, and that's been the argument all along, some big

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Speaker 27: supplies here in the UK to Israel for arms. However,

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Speaker 27: having said that, a drop in the ocean of all

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Speaker 27: the combined sales of arms from the EU and the

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Speaker 27: UK when you compare it to the amount of arms

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Speaker 27: going from America.

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Speaker 1: So although it's.

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Speaker 27: Quite a big trade, it's absolutely minute in comparison to

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Speaker 27: what that trade is from America.

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Speaker 4: Hey, so it turns out you guys came really really

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Speaker 4: close to running out of your gowns and your personal

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Speaker 4: protective equipment and stuff during COVID, didn't you.

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Speaker 27: Yes, So some awkward exchanges for the former Minister for

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Speaker 27: Health Matt Hancock here during the COVID pandemic inquiry, And

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Speaker 27: in that evidence he was giving evidence for the third

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Speaker 27: time about the impact of the healthcare systems, and he

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Speaker 27: said there was never a quote national shortage of ppe

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Speaker 27: personal protective equipment for healthcare workers, but in some cases,

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Speaker 27: he said, they did run out and it was awful. Indeed,

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Speaker 27: there were rumors and photos of some nurses having to

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Speaker 27: wear plastic bin bags early in the COVID crime and

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Speaker 27: Matt Hancock said we need to learn the lessons of

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Speaker 27: what went wrong and put in place better stock bars.

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Speaker 27: But he said some hospitals came within six or seven

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Speaker 27: hours of running out of gowns. Of course, what he's

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Speaker 27: also trying to say is that is why the procurement

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Speaker 27: system was so rapid, I would say, chaotics. So with

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Speaker 27: the critics he would say, well, we had to act quickly,

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Speaker 27: which I can quite understand. These things always easy in hindsight,

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Speaker 27: of course, Heather. But yes, certainly a lot of money

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Speaker 27: was paid for some stock that was never used and

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Speaker 27: has since been either buried or burned.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting, Kevin. Listen, how you guys reacting to this

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Speaker 4: town in Canada that's refewed The elected members are refusing

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Speaker 4: to pledge allegiance to the king.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quite interesting.

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Speaker 27: This It isn't actually the first time this has happened

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Speaker 27: in Canada. In a couple of years back, a French

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Speaker 27: speaking province of Quebec pass legislation that ended the requirement

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Speaker 27: to have elective officials take the oath on the monarchy.

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Speaker 27: But nevertheless, this is a very interesting thing. So this

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Speaker 27: is the one of the former gold rush towns, and

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Speaker 27: that's in Yukon territory. This is Dawson City and in

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Speaker 27: that area lots of First Nation peoples were moved on

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Speaker 27: for the gold rush. And one of the newly elected

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Speaker 27: people is from the First Nations and is saying I

2020
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Speaker 27: feel uncomfortable was the word used? He said, uncomfortable In

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Speaker 27: taking an allegiance to the royals when so much has

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Speaker 27: been done to my people. Now others are in solidarity

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Speaker 27: with him, and so consequently a whole new intake of

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Speaker 27: counselors refusing to swear the oath, and under Yukon law,

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Speaker 27: they must swear the oath within forty days of their election.

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Speaker 27: The clock is ticking. They've only got till the ninth

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Speaker 27: of December. After that, well, I think they have to

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Speaker 27: go for a whole new vote again. And at the

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Speaker 27: moment they are stuck in an impast.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Kevin, thank you very much, appreciate it. Look after yourself,

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Speaker 4: enjoy your weekend. That's Kevin UK correspondent. So I meant

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Speaker 4: to tell you about Zelenski. So Zelensky has changed his

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Speaker 4: language around how hard he's going to go with Russia

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Speaker 4: and Putin, and it sounds a little bit like he

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Speaker 4: is giving up. On Wednesday, he gave an interview to

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Speaker 4: Fox News and admitted that they cannot take Crimea back

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Speaker 4: by force. He's also like he's had some subtle shifts.

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Speaker 4: That's quite a big thing, by the way, right, He's

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Speaker 4: had some subtle shifts in his language. So in terms

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Speaker 4: of on the subject of having to give up territory

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Speaker 4: to Putin. Last month, he said Russia must lose the

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Speaker 4: war against Ukraine. This does not mean a freeze in fighting.

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Speaker 4: It does not mean any trade in Ukraine's sovereignty or territory.

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Speaker 4: So it's basically like, no, we're not giving up any

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Speaker 4: land this month. Ukraine cannot legally acknowledge any occupied territory

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Speaker 4: of Ukraine as Russian, so it's sort of like we

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Speaker 4: can't really do it. So a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 4: examples as well. This month, when the war was going

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Speaker 4: to end, or rather two years ago and when the

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Speaker 4: war was going to end, he said, we fight and

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Speaker 4: will continue to fight for the sake of the main

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Speaker 4: word victory. But this month he said it is certain

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Speaker 4: that the war will end sooner with the policies of

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Speaker 4: the team that will now lead the White House. On Crimea,

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Speaker 4: he said in July last year, we cannot imagine Ukraine

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Speaker 4: without Crimea. This month he said it's still not a

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Speaker 4: fact that we can bring it back with arms in

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Speaker 4: our hands. We understand that Crimea can be brought back diplomatically.

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Speaker 4: So he's giving up a wee bit, and apparently the

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Speaker 4: reason for that is not only that he's acknowledging that

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is going to force him to give up,

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Speaker 4: but also fifty two percent of people in Ukraine told

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Speaker 4: the economists they just want to negotiate an end. They

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Speaker 4: just wanted over seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

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Speaker 1: will be the impact.

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Speaker 2: It's the Business Hour with Heather Duplas Allen and the

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Speaker 2: HR Solution for busy SMEs, news talks and.

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Speaker 4: Be fur away from seven. Listen. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: you're aware of this. Laura the producer the German has

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Speaker 4: brought it, drew it to my attention. There are all

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Speaker 4: of these athletes in the world who are doing the

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Speaker 4: Trump dance at the moment. You know the Trump dance

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about right, this is the one when he

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Speaker 4: puts on YMCA which is hard out his jams. He's

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Speaker 4: got that going and he starts doing that thing where

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Speaker 4: he sort of like he's got his arms rolled tight

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Speaker 4: into his body and he fist pumps forward and back

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Speaker 4: and forward and back. You've got to do it kind

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Speaker 4: of in sync with the knees as well, so it's

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Speaker 4: a whole body movement anyway, because it is it because

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Speaker 4: I think it's because we've seen so much of it.

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Speaker 4: It just is a thing now, as in, like, watch

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Speaker 4: so much of him doing it, so now the guys

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Speaker 4: in the NFL are doing it, and people who are

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Speaker 4: in the boxing cage and stuff. When when they start

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01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 4: doing it as well, the NFL has been asked if

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Speaker 4: it's okay for people to do this because it's Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump aligned. They say it's fine, You're allowed to do it.

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Speaker 10: So there you go.

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Speaker 4: Next time you go to a party and you're like,

2092
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 4: what move should I bust Trump?

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01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 10: Dance and Frank new music?

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01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,520
Speaker 29: Well newish music from Franz Ferdinand to play us out

2095
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Speaker 29: of these guys. Yeah, yeah, that's right. This The song

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01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 29: is called night or Day and it's off their upcoming

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Speaker 29: sixth album, Human Fear, which is coming out in January.

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Speaker 29: So of course I looked into it and I'm like,

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Speaker 29: where did these guys you've been go? And turns out

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01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 29: let didn't go anywhere. They've just been releasing albums for

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01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 29: all the years since they take Me Out the Game

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Speaker 29: a big hit and we just haven't been noticing. But

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Speaker 29: there you go, they're putting out another one.

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Speaker 4: Oh good, enjoy this is your Saturday listening. You can

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Speaker 4: Trump dance to that. See your Monday News Talks.

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