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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Full show podcast number sixty four. When I'm

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Speaker 2: sixty four? Will you still love me? Will you still

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Speaker 2: need me?

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Speaker 3: So huge show today, Tyler, certainly it was sixty five.

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Speaker 4: Apparently means where is the mystery podcasts sixty five for.

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Speaker 3: The twelfth of February twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Oh and just quickly we laid into Christ College, so

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Speaker 4: you're going to look forward to that weirdy Christ College.

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Speaker 5: Most college where everyone talks like this.

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Speaker 3: All right, give my taste ki week Bye bye, love you.

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Speaker 6: Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC

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Speaker 1: ninety News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Seven past one. Bit

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Speaker 4: of a late nineteen year Madie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I'm very, very very tired today because so I was

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Speaker 2: on this TV show a couple of years ago called

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Speaker 2: Taskmaster Age Show. I was in season two and season

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Speaker 2: two globally is considered one of the best series of

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Speaker 2: task Master ever.

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Speaker 3: Made in the UK anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 6: Is that all right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for some reason, not because of me, just because

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Speaker 2: the combination of people and the tasks and the producers

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Speaker 2: and fantastic New Zealand production company that makes it, Kevin

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Speaker 2: and Co. So it's blown up in the UK. So

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Speaker 2: last night I did I recorded a podcast with Ed Gamble,

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Speaker 2: who's a.

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Speaker 3: Very funny comedian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on Taskmaster over there and he's making

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Speaker 2: the official this task Master podcast that's doing very well

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Speaker 2: over there. But because I had to talk to him

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Speaker 2: on UK time, the podcast started at eleven PM and

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Speaker 2: we got a well talking and so it was you know,

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Speaker 2: it was one thirty one thirty am before I got off,

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Speaker 2: you know, I went to be it and then I

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Speaker 2: was too excited about the chat and I couldn't sleep

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Speaker 2: because it was exciting.

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Speaker 4: What did you talk about for two hours? Was it

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Speaker 4: just about task Mask but about Greg Davies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, a lot about Greg Davies, a

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Speaker 2: lot about me humiliating myself throughout that series by being

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Speaker 4: It was great chat, but I listen the task Master podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whenever that comes out.

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Speaker 3: But luck I'll do my best. I'll soldier on.

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Speaker 2: But if I fall asleep or press the wrong buttons,

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Speaker 2: then that's because I've been moonlighting on another job, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, to blame right quickly on to the rest of

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Speaker 4: the show. After three point thirty looking forward to this

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Speaker 4: Gareth abdenaor employment lawyer friend of the show. He's back

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Speaker 4: with us and he is taking your questions. If you've

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Speaker 4: got an issue in your workplace or you're a employer

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Speaker 4: and you've got an issue with your employees, that is

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Speaker 4: your opportunity to get some sound advice.

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Speaker 2: I already got a couple coming through here, and it's

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting. There's such a gray area around in things

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Speaker 3: Yep, oh, there's some doozy quicks already.

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Speaker 2: Send those questions through to nine to nine two and

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Speaker 2: will Well will present them to Gareth after three thirty.

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Speaker 4: After three o'clock, a kmart customer wants answers after she

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Speaker 4: it says, yeah, put aside, how the hicts you did that?

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Speaker 4: That is seriously aggressive mopping.

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Speaker 2: It's good slapstick. Any kind of mop or rake related

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Speaker 2: private schools. The classic chat Christ's College is one hundred

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Speaker 2: That's the highest the most expensive private school in the country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's going to be a good discussion, so public Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I do too. That's after two o'clock because right now,

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Speaker 4: so their compromised email from Truman We and associates requested

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Speaker 2: the more we talk about it, the more people can

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Speaker 2: spot a scam that's coming through. I've had a situation

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Speaker 2: So I just spotted that the invoice, looked at it

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Speaker 2: what's going on. So when you look at that, how

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Speaker 2: how do they know who they're emailing? How do they

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Speaker 2: make such a realistic looking invoice? And if you're just

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Speaker 3: Through and pay that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I spotted it, So yeah, have you nearly

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Speaker 4: They're incredibly sophisticated some of these scams. Now, I mean

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Speaker 4: here's the invoice that you need to pay, or here

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Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent suspicious one hundred percent of the time.

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Speaker 2: I think you can't have to be any phone call

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Speaker 3: You know, there was, there was, there was.

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Speaker 2: I saw this this interview with the guy that's famous

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Speaker 2: two there's two things you need to look for in

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Speaker 2: any scam. Yeah, two things to look for, and I'll

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Speaker 4: Okay, very good, But love to hear from you. Oh,

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Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two if you've almost foul victim to

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Speaker 4: hear from you. It is twelve past one.

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Speaker 3: Beg very surely, the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything

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Speaker 4: It is quarter past one and we are talking about scams.

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Speaker 4: On the back of a white Catto couple that narrowly

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Speaker 4: lawyer's email or shouldn't laugh, I mean it is incredibly

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Speaker 4: sophisticated and sent them an email basically saying that you've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's a tough one. So if

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Speaker 4: And I say this without any judgment, Well, in fact,

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Speaker 2: So she was suspicious and she used your card, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Does she talk to you about it first?

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Speaker 4: canceled that straight away, so that was they didn't manage

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was saying before, what the two things

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Speaker 2: You might have seen the catch me if you can

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Speaker 2: movie Leonardo Dicapro, directed by Steven Spielberg, about that scammer,

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Speaker 2: and he said, and he's been working for the FBI.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm interested this on the show before it

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Speaker 2: found it really interesting. He goes. The demand for information

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Speaker 4: But it is I mean again, I see a lot

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Speaker 4: of these scams come via email, and I think I'm

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Speaker 4: the email. Is the email looking a little bit suspicious?

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Speaker 4: Is that really from the NZTA or from your bank?

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Speaker 4: But a lot of them I second guess myself and

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Speaker 2: you know all the number that's that's provided there. Stewart,

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Speaker 8: Look, we're in a civil engineering consultancy and one of

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Speaker 3: Ninety dollars detail.

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Speaker 2: And you have to be so diligent because the once over,

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Speaker 8: The invoice was identical apart from the fact that it

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Speaker 2: And where what was the bank account details? What did

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Speaker 8: They were Australia, they were Australian. That was how we

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Speaker 8: So well, but now because of that, every time we're

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Speaker 8: Well, had the wrong person been looking at it as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's something to look out to look out for.

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Speaker 2: If someone approaches your company and says we've got a

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Speaker 8: Them, well, yeah, we're literally verifying every single one deal,

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Speaker 3: Well ninety grand.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of people that can get ninety grand.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if there's an answer to the question,

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Speaker 4: Would it sit with yourself if you did fall victim

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it it would have been your mistake. You

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Speaker 2: So look, I'm glad that worked out okay for you?

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Speaker 2: That's a good one for people to keep their eyes

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Speaker 3: Think if you call.

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Speaker 4: Stuart great story, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 4: Who's the text number? Will get more of your cause

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Speaker 6: Digging into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking.

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Speaker 10: Breakfast, Anthony ALBANIZI had been on the phone to Donald.

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Speaker 10: It was happy to report that Donald had said they

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, we're talking about scam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after Waikato couple nearly avoided, narrowly avoided losing two

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy thousand after their lawyer's email was hacked

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Speaker 2: by a UK scammers. The stick this says, Hello, isn't

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Speaker 2: technology wonderful? A It's only going to get worse when

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Speaker 2: gullible fool's hand everything over to AI. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, AI is going to get a lot better of scamming.

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Speaker 2: And there's concerns about AI being able to break passwords

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Speaker 2: in a way that humans cannot.

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Speaker 3: So we've got no hope, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: This text says, Okay, guys, I got scammed about twelve

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Speaker 4: years ago trying to import some cooking oil from a

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Speaker 4: supplier off an Alley Barber website. Scammers took a five

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Speaker 4: K deposit off me, but I realized once I got

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Speaker 4: the shipping documents it was a scam. I'm from a

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Speaker 4: shipping background. I managed to get the guys mobile number,

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Speaker 4: which was in Nigeria. We spent months ringing him, even

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Speaker 4: when we were drinking fun times, but never saw the

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Speaker 4: money again, sweet revenge.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 2: You've experienced attempted scammers in the past.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, this one's pretty dumb. So it's kind of funny.

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Speaker 11: We've had a couple of phone calls. We have a

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Speaker 11: confidential number, so we already ever give them and that goes.

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Speaker 11: So this hire for us Spark and we really want

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Speaker 11: to talk to you about your landline. And it's really

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Speaker 11: good because we're not with Spark, so that one's pretty easy.

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Speaker 12: To take care of and we just play along with it.

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Speaker 11: So that's the whole level. But this one is pretty nasty.

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Speaker 11: So what they did was somehow they knew that this

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Speaker 11: So you've got to guess these are very clever people.

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Speaker 11: And you've got to also wonder is it now organized crime?

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Speaker 11: And I'd say yes it is. So what they did

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Speaker 11: they had a little chit chat and said, hey, look

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Speaker 11: we're the bank, and everything checked out because they were

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Speaker 11: where are the real bank? And then I stick with us.

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Speaker 11: They knew all their details, did everything to the point

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Speaker 11: lots of money here, and they moved it out and

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Speaker 11: they moved it to an A and ZI bank account.

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Speaker 11: Now this is where the good part of the story happens.

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Speaker 11: They freaked out, going, oh, how what did I just

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Speaker 11: do because of how good they were, And what the

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Speaker 11: what we're going to do is we're going to it's

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Speaker 11: stop that money from leaving their bank account. The poor

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Speaker 12: Real good.

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Speaker 2: So John, do you think that they knew that the

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Speaker 2: incredible coincidence and they're scamming so many people in now.

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Speaker 11: In the beginning, I reckon they knew because one of

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Speaker 11: the things they said to this person was they go, oh,

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Speaker 11: but the bank's calling me, Nona, don't pick that up.

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Speaker 11: We are the bank, We.

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Speaker 12: Are the real deal.

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Speaker 11: And they gave that even more information that only they

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Speaker 4: You're very lucky that was it a bank teller or

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Speaker 11: Odd the people were more than relief day, I mean

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Speaker 12: What was going to happen. Major yeah, major sleepless nights,

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Speaker 4: I mean I say that because I know banks get

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but I'll tell you something you've just reminded. We

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Speaker 11: just say it's Stay owned. So we got scammed in

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Speaker 11: So we had to get this special thing to get

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Speaker 11: Just scan this QR code, so we did. Anyway, we

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Speaker 11: phone to have a lock in there. Two one hundred

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Speaker 11: And then we get back to New Zealand. We talked

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Speaker 11: some serious scrapping on my power. I was not going

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Speaker 11: just want to go away. But only because of that

440
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Speaker 11: in this bank towner really having a empathetic years, she thought, Nah,

441
00:20:26,173 --> 00:20:27,613
Speaker 11: you deserve to give your money back.

442
00:20:27,653 --> 00:20:28,413
Speaker 12: This is crap.

443
00:20:28,693 --> 00:20:31,853
Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah, well, I think there's a balance there, John.

444
00:20:31,893 --> 00:20:34,053
Speaker 4: In your situation where you had that one hundred and

445
00:20:34,093 --> 00:20:37,573
Speaker 4: twenty five bucks go to this this dodgy website, I

446
00:20:37,613 --> 00:20:41,093
Speaker 4: think that's different from you know, the honeypot scams where

447
00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:44,373
Speaker 4: they go several times to a bank taking money out

448
00:20:44,573 --> 00:20:48,053
Speaker 4: to deliver to some scammer off shore. That's where I

449
00:20:48,093 --> 00:20:50,493
Speaker 4: think it gets a bit more gray on the responsibility

450
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Speaker 4: of the bank. But you know, in your situation, thank

451
00:20:52,813 --> 00:20:54,373
Speaker 4: god that bank work has stopped it.

452
00:20:55,693 --> 00:20:59,093
Speaker 11: Well, we closed, We closed the account immediately on that

453
00:20:59,173 --> 00:21:02,573
Speaker 11: credit card, so we quickly went Online closed there instantly,

454
00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:06,253
Speaker 11: and so that was gone. And I mean we did

455
00:21:06,253 --> 00:21:10,533
Speaker 11: everything right. But even then the fraud team, Oh they

456
00:21:10,573 --> 00:21:13,653
Speaker 11: played good cot badcock with me. A the manager rang

457
00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:15,613
Speaker 11: I thought he was all on my side until he

458
00:21:15,653 --> 00:21:16,173
Speaker 11: did nothing.

459
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I said, I.

460
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Speaker 11: Want to talk to the big boys. You know, these

461
00:21:20,693 --> 00:21:23,413
Speaker 11: banks are naughty sometimes they really can be, but other

462
00:21:23,453 --> 00:21:24,373
Speaker 11: times they're brilliant.

463
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Speaker 3: Yep, John, thank you very much. So you call John,

464
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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

465
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Speaker 4: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

466
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Speaker 4: to call.

467
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Speaker 3: I've got a question on scams for you. Yep. Ninetwo

468
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Speaker 3: niney two and you Tyler.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and nine, of course, Bernie Madoff was

471
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Speaker 2: found guilty of scamming nineteen billion dollars, a very famous case.

472
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Speaker 2: How many years in prison did he get for his

473
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Speaker 2: Ponzi operations.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go.

475
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Speaker 4: Ninety years, okay, all right, but if you think you

476
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Speaker 4: know nine ninety two, it is twenty eight minutes to two.

477
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Speaker 4: Will be back very shortly. On newstalks.

478
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Speaker 3: Heb jus talks.

479
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Speaker 6: They'd be headlines with blue bubble tap.

480
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Speaker 3: It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

481
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Speaker 15: A man charge with murdering infracargo woman Karen White at

482
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Speaker 15: Lake Harwia last March, canalby identified as her husband Robert White.

483
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Speaker 15: He is pleaded not guilty this morning and has been

484
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Speaker 15: remanded on bail to his home. Oceans and Fisheries Minister

485
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Speaker 15: Shane Jones says proposals for change and fishing reflect conflicting

486
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Speaker 15: wishes from the three part government. Plans for reform include

487
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Speaker 15: allowing more frequent catch limit changes and stopping the public

488
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Speaker 15: accessing boat surveillance camera footage. The racing ministers told the

489
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Speaker 15: Select Committee a bill to extend tab New Zealand's monopoly

490
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Speaker 15: to online betting will benefit all parties by helping the

491
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Speaker 15: industry grow. The Electricity Authority and Commerce Commission are asking

492
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Speaker 15: for feedback on proposals including incentivizing reduced power use and

493
00:23:00,733 --> 00:23:05,413
Speaker 15: rewarding people generating power at peak times. A first edition

494
00:23:05,533 --> 00:23:08,293
Speaker 15: Harry Potter book has sold at auction for five thums

495
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Speaker 15: three hundred and seventy seven dollars. It has rare hallmarks

496
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Speaker 15: and its copyright reads Joanne Rolling not jk Rolling. Your

497
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Speaker 15: freedom for the crusaders could win fans and games. You

498
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Speaker 15: can read more at zid Heral Premium. Now back to

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Speaker 15: matte Heath and Tyler Adam.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Roylena is twenty four to two.

501
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:30,213
Speaker 4: We've been talking about scams.

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00:23:29,933 --> 00:23:32,333
Speaker 2: After a wake otto couple and narrowly avoided losing two

503
00:23:32,373 --> 00:23:35,373
Speaker 2: undred and seventy thousand after the lawyer lawyer's email was

504
00:23:35,373 --> 00:23:38,013
Speaker 2: hacked by UK scammers. Before the break, I asked the

505
00:23:38,093 --> 00:23:42,613
Speaker 2: question how many years did Bernie Madoff get for his

506
00:23:44,013 --> 00:23:48,493
Speaker 2: nineteen billion dollars ponzi scheme? A lot of answers coming

507
00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:50,853
Speaker 2: through here. He got about one hundred life sentences, which

508
00:23:50,893 --> 00:23:53,493
Speaker 2: equated to about one thousand years in jail. It was

509
00:23:53,493 --> 00:23:56,493
Speaker 2: from Michael. Someone now said, knowing the justice system, he

510
00:23:56,533 --> 00:23:58,893
Speaker 2: probably got ninety days in prison. Someone else said Bernie

511
00:23:58,973 --> 00:24:01,693
Speaker 2: made off for two hundred and fifty years. He actually

512
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Speaker 2: got ladies and gentlemen.

513
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Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty years in prison. But he didn't.

514
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Speaker 2: He didn't suit of all of that, as you'd expect.

515
00:24:09,773 --> 00:24:11,493
Speaker 2: He died in prison in twenty twenty one.

516
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Speaker 4: How old was he roughly when he went into prison.

517
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Speaker 4: He was quite He was in his eighties, wasn't alf.

518
00:24:16,293 --> 00:24:17,613
Speaker 3: I think he was in his seventies.

519
00:24:18,053 --> 00:24:21,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, but boy, nineteen billion dollars and the worst thing

520
00:24:21,533 --> 00:24:22,493
Speaker 2: about Bernie made off Is.

521
00:24:22,493 --> 00:24:24,093
Speaker 3: He was running these charity events.

522
00:24:24,093 --> 00:24:25,853
Speaker 2: He was going in front of people saying I'm this

523
00:24:25,973 --> 00:24:29,812
Speaker 2: amazing guy and living this whole life. And boy did

524
00:24:29,813 --> 00:24:31,493
Speaker 2: a blow up in his face, and terrible things happened

525
00:24:31,533 --> 00:24:33,653
Speaker 2: to his kids. It was really horrible. But to be

526
00:24:33,733 --> 00:24:36,933
Speaker 2: stealing money from someone and then just taking the accolades

527
00:24:37,093 --> 00:24:41,493
Speaker 2: of from other people, there's this amazing, you know, benefactor.

528
00:24:41,253 --> 00:24:43,093
Speaker 3: Sophisticated, but an absolute psychopath.

529
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Speaker 2: Was there was one thing I wanted to bring it

530
00:24:44,413 --> 00:24:46,773
Speaker 2: before because we call him. Before I was talking, John

531
00:24:46,813 --> 00:24:49,133
Speaker 2: was talking about esters. You know, when you're going to

532
00:24:49,133 --> 00:24:51,133
Speaker 2: the States, you go online and you and your book,

533
00:24:51,173 --> 00:24:53,532
Speaker 2: you pay for your ester, which you know how you

534
00:24:53,573 --> 00:24:56,373
Speaker 2: get into the States. There is a bunch of ester

535
00:24:56,533 --> 00:24:58,733
Speaker 2: sites that you can pay and get your ester, but

536
00:24:58,853 --> 00:25:01,533
Speaker 2: you will pay extra money. You've got to make sure

537
00:25:01,573 --> 00:25:03,973
Speaker 2: you go to the US government one. Just go down

538
00:25:04,013 --> 00:25:07,173
Speaker 2: to the actual official one. So when you search, other

539
00:25:07,213 --> 00:25:09,453
Speaker 2: ones pop up that are they will give you a ester,

540
00:25:09,533 --> 00:25:11,213
Speaker 2: but then they'll charge you a feed to do something

541
00:25:11,253 --> 00:25:12,933
Speaker 2: and all they're doing is then going to the site

542
00:25:12,933 --> 00:25:14,773
Speaker 2: that you can go directly to Steddy scammers.

543
00:25:14,813 --> 00:25:16,293
Speaker 4: So there's when you Google because I haven't been to

544
00:25:16,373 --> 00:25:17,733
Speaker 4: the States for a long time, and the last time,

545
00:25:17,773 --> 00:25:19,693
Speaker 4: I think the travel agent just sorted it out for us.

546
00:25:20,053 --> 00:25:22,733
Speaker 4: So if you go and pay your ester, google it. Yeah,

547
00:25:22,933 --> 00:25:25,693
Speaker 4: mostly scammy sites until you get to the official one.

548
00:25:25,773 --> 00:25:28,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the official one is very very clearly official.

549
00:25:28,773 --> 00:25:29,613
Speaker 3: But you will get your ester.

550
00:25:29,693 --> 00:25:32,253
Speaker 2: It's just that you're paying money to someone to do

551
00:25:32,293 --> 00:25:34,773
Speaker 2: something that's as just as easy for you to do it.

552
00:25:34,933 --> 00:25:36,093
Speaker 3: It's dirty. Ah. Yeah.

553
00:25:36,133 --> 00:25:38,373
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

554
00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:40,653
Speaker 4: to call get a James.

555
00:25:42,133 --> 00:25:45,693
Speaker 2: Hello James, you were seeing a fake website by someone?

556
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Speaker 16: Yeah, so I was on Facebook marketplays it was it. Yeah,

557
00:25:53,773 --> 00:25:55,733
Speaker 16: So this wasn't a huge scam. This was something I

558
00:25:55,773 --> 00:25:57,053
Speaker 16: was trying to buy from.

559
00:25:57,133 --> 00:25:57,573
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

560
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Speaker 16: I was selling something, that's right.

561
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Speaker 14: Yeah.

562
00:26:00,093 --> 00:26:03,013
Speaker 16: I was selling a record for about forty bucks and

563
00:26:03,053 --> 00:26:06,893
Speaker 16: this person hits me up and they want to buy it,

564
00:26:08,573 --> 00:26:12,613
Speaker 16: and I say, okay, sweet air, and they say, I

565
00:26:12,693 --> 00:26:17,213
Speaker 16: live in the South Island and I have a career,

566
00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:20,773
Speaker 16: come and pick it up off you. But the thing

567
00:26:20,893 --> 00:26:23,733
Speaker 16: is they would get me to go to a site

568
00:26:23,733 --> 00:26:28,933
Speaker 16: where I would it looks just like an insid post site.

569
00:26:30,213 --> 00:26:31,653
Speaker 16: But what you do. You're going there and then what's

570
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Speaker 16: an INSID post sight. You would log into like an

571
00:26:33,493 --> 00:26:38,173
Speaker 16: ain ZD thing and you would collect money. We have

572
00:26:38,333 --> 00:26:40,453
Speaker 16: like a collect button. This person has set up forty

573
00:26:40,453 --> 00:26:43,173
Speaker 16: dollars for you to collect, and then you would press

574
00:26:43,293 --> 00:26:45,133
Speaker 16: bun and collect the money, and then a courier person

575
00:26:45,213 --> 00:26:47,613
Speaker 16: would supposedly come to your house pick up the package

576
00:26:47,613 --> 00:26:52,093
Speaker 16: and then go and post it away. But I go

577
00:26:52,173 --> 00:26:55,373
Speaker 16: to the site and I'm on it. You know, you

578
00:26:55,373 --> 00:26:57,933
Speaker 16: have to be careful about these things. I click one

579
00:26:57,973 --> 00:27:00,813
Speaker 16: of the links on the aims page that they've sent

580
00:27:00,893 --> 00:27:05,532
Speaker 16: me and they're all dead. They don't go anywhere. So

581
00:27:05,533 --> 00:27:07,573
Speaker 16: that's pretty much what alluded me to the fact that

582
00:27:07,573 --> 00:27:08,413
Speaker 16: it was a skin skin.

583
00:27:08,373 --> 00:27:10,693
Speaker 2: Im So when you went to the when you went

584
00:27:10,733 --> 00:27:13,733
Speaker 2: to the page first up, it looked completely legit.

585
00:27:14,373 --> 00:27:17,173
Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, And I by myself on being quite good

586
00:27:17,213 --> 00:27:20,613
Speaker 16: at working these things out, so and then yeah, so

587
00:27:20,653 --> 00:27:22,133
Speaker 16: I just did a click check, clicked a couple of

588
00:27:22,133 --> 00:27:23,853
Speaker 16: the links, and they were just it was just text

589
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:26,933
Speaker 16: that wasn't It wasn't a link that went anywhere.

590
00:27:28,533 --> 00:27:31,093
Speaker 4: So if they were, there's quite clever James, and sorry

591
00:27:31,133 --> 00:27:33,173
Speaker 4: to jump in there, But if they had gone the

592
00:27:33,213 --> 00:27:36,693
Speaker 4: full hog and and developed some websites on those links

593
00:27:36,693 --> 00:27:37,373
Speaker 4: that might have got you.

594
00:27:38,413 --> 00:27:43,493
Speaker 16: Yeah, exactly, And I I did something quite stupid. I

595
00:27:43,893 --> 00:27:45,573
Speaker 16: was messaging my guy, I think this is a fake

596
00:27:45,653 --> 00:27:48,053
Speaker 16: site because it's not going anywhere, and he goes to me,

597
00:27:48,973 --> 00:27:51,693
Speaker 16: what makes you think it's fake? Then I fully explained

598
00:27:51,693 --> 00:27:54,333
Speaker 16: to him why I thought it was fake. It probably

599
00:27:54,373 --> 00:27:55,973
Speaker 16: wasn't good because it improved his game.

600
00:27:56,533 --> 00:27:59,413
Speaker 2: Right, But it used to be if you went to

601
00:27:59,493 --> 00:28:02,253
Speaker 2: a fake website, it looked lower rears, it looked rubbish

602
00:28:02,253 --> 00:28:03,933
Speaker 2: because it was a lot of energy to put in

603
00:28:03,973 --> 00:28:06,373
Speaker 2: to create a website that looked legit. But now it's

604
00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:09,693
Speaker 2: so easy, and with AI coming through, the amount of

605
00:28:09,693 --> 00:28:12,013
Speaker 2: effort to be put into make a website there where

606
00:28:12,013 --> 00:28:15,653
Speaker 2: all the links will go to places is becoming easier

607
00:28:15,693 --> 00:28:18,813
Speaker 2: and easy. So even if you if you're trained to

608
00:28:18,813 --> 00:28:23,493
Speaker 2: see what wasn't isn't quite right then.

609
00:28:22,573 --> 00:28:25,213
Speaker 16: But even then I was probably quite stupid in the

610
00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:29,773
Speaker 16: entering my bank details into I think, so, yeah, just

611
00:28:30,493 --> 00:28:31,413
Speaker 16: just watching out for that.

612
00:28:31,573 --> 00:28:35,093
Speaker 2: If you're even slightly I mean, that's really the thing.

613
00:28:35,133 --> 00:28:39,133
Speaker 2: If you're even slightly even I mean basically, don't give

614
00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:43,013
Speaker 2: your credit card details when they're asked for, as basically on.

615
00:28:43,493 --> 00:28:46,373
Speaker 16: My rule of some would be don't follow don't follow links.

616
00:28:46,653 --> 00:28:48,693
Speaker 16: If you're buying or selling something, just go through a

617
00:28:48,933 --> 00:28:50,893
Speaker 16: z saying look, will you take a transfer if they

618
00:28:50,893 --> 00:28:53,813
Speaker 16: won't take a transfer after yourself wise, Yeah.

619
00:28:53,573 --> 00:28:56,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess what I'm saying is if someone

620
00:28:56,413 --> 00:28:59,813
Speaker 2: comes to you, then don't give them your details. I mean,

621
00:28:59,853 --> 00:29:01,893
Speaker 2: if you've gone obviously, if you've gone to a site,

622
00:29:01,893 --> 00:29:03,173
Speaker 2: you've seen it, you've put it in the cart, and

623
00:29:03,253 --> 00:29:06,053
Speaker 2: you bought it, then then that makes sense. But if

624
00:29:06,053 --> 00:29:10,213
Speaker 2: someone's approached you with something and then they want to payment,

625
00:29:10,733 --> 00:29:13,573
Speaker 2: then you have to really, really really think through before

626
00:29:13,573 --> 00:29:14,413
Speaker 2: you make that payment.

627
00:29:14,533 --> 00:29:17,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you've just reminded me, James. Actually, when I

628
00:29:17,693 --> 00:29:20,533
Speaker 4: did get scammed similar way that I was trying to

629
00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:23,693
Speaker 4: buy some training bots hiking boots and they weren't a

630
00:29:23,693 --> 00:29:25,133
Speaker 4: brand that you could get here.

631
00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:26,373
Speaker 3: In New Zealand. They were called Scarper.

632
00:29:26,533 --> 00:29:29,453
Speaker 4: So I googled Scarper boots and what popped up was

633
00:29:29,573 --> 00:29:33,853
Speaker 4: a Scarper USA dot com look legit, and the prices

634
00:29:33,853 --> 00:29:36,133
Speaker 4: for these boots were really good, great discount, but it

635
00:29:36,133 --> 00:29:38,173
Speaker 4: turned out it was just a scam site. So I

636
00:29:38,253 --> 00:29:40,413
Speaker 4: lost a couple of hundred bucks on those boots that

637
00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:44,053
Speaker 4: never existed, but I thought I clicked on a few

638
00:29:44,093 --> 00:29:46,853
Speaker 4: different products, different boots, having a look, and it all

639
00:29:46,893 --> 00:29:50,413
Speaker 4: seemed legit. It was just a very sophisticated website. And

640
00:29:50,453 --> 00:29:52,053
Speaker 4: then when I went back a couple of months later,

641
00:29:52,053 --> 00:29:55,013
Speaker 4: that website was gone, Well.

642
00:29:55,013 --> 00:29:57,373
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you cool James, appreciate you

643
00:29:57,493 --> 00:29:58,693
Speaker 2: sharing that with us.

644
00:29:59,773 --> 00:29:59,973
Speaker 3: You go.

645
00:30:00,213 --> 00:30:02,333
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, we're talking scams one hundred and

646
00:30:02,373 --> 00:30:05,293
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty of your nearly being scammed or have

647
00:30:05,373 --> 00:30:05,973
Speaker 2: you been scammed?

648
00:30:05,973 --> 00:30:06,533
Speaker 3: Want to hear from you?

649
00:30:06,653 --> 00:30:08,493
Speaker 4: Some great teas coming through on nine two, nine to

650
00:30:08,613 --> 00:30:10,493
Speaker 4: We'll get to some more of those very shortly.

651
00:30:10,813 --> 00:30:12,373
Speaker 3: It is eighteen to two.

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Speaker 1: It's a fresh take on talkback Matt and Taylor afternoons

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Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.

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Speaker 6: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talks.

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Speaker 3: Quarter to two.

656
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Speaker 2: So a bunch of text coming through in scams on

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Speaker 2: nine two ninety two. Sometimes it's simple things. Recently, I

658
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Speaker 2: was asked by Microsoft to download a Microsoft authenticator to

659
00:30:36,773 --> 00:30:39,133
Speaker 2: access my account. I went to Google play Store and

660
00:30:39,253 --> 00:30:42,453
Speaker 2: typed it in, downloaded the app and accessed it. I

661
00:30:42,533 --> 00:30:45,053
Speaker 2: put in my details and then entered everything. I ended

662
00:30:45,133 --> 00:30:48,773
Speaker 2: up getting diverted to an adult site, a blue site.

663
00:30:48,813 --> 00:30:51,013
Speaker 2: I immediately contact my bank, can cancel my credit cards.

664
00:30:51,013 --> 00:30:53,933
Speaker 2: I already been billed for two dollars fifty. It turned

665
00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:56,133
Speaker 2: out an app was put on the play store designed

666
00:30:56,133 --> 00:31:00,013
Speaker 2: to duplicate the original, specifically to full people. Turns out

667
00:31:00,013 --> 00:31:02,253
Speaker 2: that people pay to have the advertisement at the top

668
00:31:02,333 --> 00:31:04,533
Speaker 2: of the search list to catch people out. Straight after that,

669
00:31:04,693 --> 00:31:07,533
Speaker 2: I got a call from the micropost Microsoft phone scam

670
00:31:07,773 --> 00:31:09,813
Speaker 2: in the game the evening. I couldn't believe I got

671
00:31:09,893 --> 00:31:12,493
Speaker 2: caught by this Peter. Well, yeah, yeah, that's the thing.

672
00:31:12,573 --> 00:31:14,813
Speaker 2: And how I got scammed. My son was in an

673
00:31:14,893 --> 00:31:17,773
Speaker 2: ultra marathon here in New Zealand. I checked the site.

674
00:31:17,813 --> 00:31:21,813
Speaker 2: Actually there were four had photos of the run, all

675
00:31:21,853 --> 00:31:24,093
Speaker 2: the details, list of the runners. I used a bank

676
00:31:24,093 --> 00:31:26,493
Speaker 2: account I hardly used, had five dollars in't it clicked

677
00:31:26,533 --> 00:31:29,013
Speaker 2: and they took one dollar eighty seven. I then closed

678
00:31:29,053 --> 00:31:30,933
Speaker 2: the account, finally got the correct site.

679
00:31:31,053 --> 00:31:34,853
Speaker 4: Well lucky now and he took a dollar eighty seven. Yeah, Lynn,

680
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:35,933
Speaker 4: how are you this afternoon?

681
00:31:36,573 --> 00:31:41,773
Speaker 17: Hi? Talking about my daughter's from IRONMN. She sits in

682
00:31:41,853 --> 00:31:44,333
Speaker 17: an iron Man and recently it was the world's over

683
00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:48,893
Speaker 17: and nos yep, And I got scammed just trying to

684
00:31:48,933 --> 00:31:51,853
Speaker 17: get some more info and pictures on that site. But

685
00:31:51,893 --> 00:31:55,453
Speaker 17: that's that's not what I rang about. I'm in hospital

686
00:31:55,493 --> 00:32:00,373
Speaker 17: at the moment, a feeling pretty vulnerable. So what started

687
00:32:00,453 --> 00:32:03,493
Speaker 17: this was I was trying to get in said health

688
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:07,493
Speaker 17: line here it advertise on the radio, and twenty four

689
00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:12,413
Speaker 17: to seven. So I finally managed to get the other numbers.

690
00:32:12,933 --> 00:32:15,013
Speaker 17: I didn't know what it was, eight hundred or five,

691
00:32:15,413 --> 00:32:19,453
Speaker 17: whatever the numbers were, got the full number, and I

692
00:32:19,573 --> 00:32:26,253
Speaker 17: ran what I thought was in the healthline, and being

693
00:32:26,253 --> 00:32:28,373
Speaker 17: a mind of junk dividers, I could how do you

694
00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:31,733
Speaker 17: see my mobile screen? But I was to put in

695
00:32:32,893 --> 00:32:35,413
Speaker 17: where I was from, what the issue was, which was

696
00:32:35,493 --> 00:32:40,853
Speaker 17: my eyes, and what country am I? Oh my god,

697
00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:43,253
Speaker 17: I thought, oh new errand so I pushed news land

698
00:32:43,893 --> 00:32:46,773
Speaker 17: and it was going to cost me two dollars. So

699
00:32:47,573 --> 00:32:49,573
Speaker 17: as much as I could see, I did that. The

700
00:32:49,653 --> 00:32:53,773
Speaker 17: print was very small than what they were saying, and

701
00:32:54,213 --> 00:32:56,853
Speaker 17: after about half an hour, I thought a thing. I

702
00:32:56,893 --> 00:33:00,813
Speaker 17: didn't say what it was going to say Faggott, and

703
00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:03,373
Speaker 17: I thought to myself, oh my god, I've been scammed.

704
00:33:04,573 --> 00:33:08,293
Speaker 17: So I looked at my bank account and it was

705
00:33:08,573 --> 00:33:12,733
Speaker 17: two dollars. How seventy two dollars right came out of

706
00:33:12,733 --> 00:33:16,453
Speaker 17: my bank account? I thought I have been scammed. So anyway,

707
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:20,013
Speaker 17: finally I got up the hold of Indeed Helpline. They

708
00:33:20,013 --> 00:33:22,573
Speaker 17: were wonderful to me. That was what I wanted initially.

709
00:33:22,653 --> 00:33:26,733
Speaker 17: But how these creeks came across my screen when I

710
00:33:26,773 --> 00:33:31,613
Speaker 17: was trying to bring Indied health Line was absolutely shocking.

711
00:33:31,653 --> 00:33:35,093
Speaker 17: I hope nobody ever gets caught with it. Incid health

712
00:33:35,093 --> 00:33:38,773
Speaker 17: Throne was so good and so much so that they

713
00:33:38,773 --> 00:33:43,133
Speaker 17: couldn't eminence for me. I was in a state not

714
00:33:43,493 --> 00:33:46,813
Speaker 17: about that. It was his an adverse reaction to malatonin,

715
00:33:47,813 --> 00:33:51,613
Speaker 17: and that's a natural natural product. Do you know what

716
00:33:52,013 --> 00:33:52,333
Speaker 17: it is?

717
00:33:52,733 --> 00:33:53,373
Speaker 3: Melatonin?

718
00:33:53,973 --> 00:33:54,253
Speaker 17: Yeah?

719
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:55,253
Speaker 3: Howps you get to sleep?

720
00:33:55,293 --> 00:33:55,493
Speaker 7: Yeah?

721
00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:56,173
Speaker 3: It's good stuff.

722
00:33:56,253 --> 00:33:56,853
Speaker 7: Yeah.

723
00:33:57,093 --> 00:34:02,413
Speaker 17: So I woke up at one am and my head

724
00:34:02,533 --> 00:34:05,613
Speaker 17: was in a spin and I had to go the towarlet,

725
00:34:07,053 --> 00:34:09,212
Speaker 17: and I thought, how the hell am I going to

726
00:34:09,213 --> 00:34:09,933
Speaker 17: get to the toilet?

727
00:34:10,333 --> 00:34:11,252
Speaker 7: What's so learn?

728
00:34:11,533 --> 00:34:11,852
Speaker 3: So learn?

729
00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:13,732
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry we're running out of time here. But

730
00:34:13,853 --> 00:34:15,893
Speaker 4: Healthline did help you in the end. You managed to

731
00:34:15,933 --> 00:34:16,453
Speaker 4: get through.

732
00:34:16,253 --> 00:34:19,652
Speaker 17: To the proper and finally got me an eminent, which

733
00:34:19,733 --> 00:34:21,893
Speaker 17: is so appreciative, great.

734
00:34:22,013 --> 00:34:23,493
Speaker 3: And thank you so much for call. And I hope

735
00:34:23,493 --> 00:34:24,573
Speaker 3: you got to the toilet as well.

736
00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:27,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, that's important. So oh e one hundred and

737
00:34:27,213 --> 00:34:29,773
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you

738
00:34:29,853 --> 00:34:32,212
Speaker 4: prefer to text you more than welcome. Nine to nine.

739
00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:34,893
Speaker 4: Two quick couple of ticks to the break ghetto guys.

740
00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:38,573
Speaker 4: I always use PayPal. You can get your money back

741
00:34:38,653 --> 00:34:41,653
Speaker 4: if it is not legitimate. A great fail safe way

742
00:34:41,773 --> 00:34:43,053
Speaker 4: to make transactions online.

743
00:34:43,093 --> 00:34:44,613
Speaker 3: I don't use PayPal. Do you use paper?

744
00:34:44,613 --> 00:34:46,893
Speaker 2: I used to do use PayPal, but PayPal always seems

745
00:34:46,893 --> 00:34:48,573
Speaker 2: to annoy me when whenever I'm trying to buy anything,

746
00:34:48,573 --> 00:34:52,213
Speaker 2: PayPal seems to get in the way. As I always

747
00:34:52,253 --> 00:34:54,692
Speaker 2: asked me, do you have a PayPal account? Who's your

748
00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,733
Speaker 2: PayPal account? I had a PayPal count at some point.

749
00:34:57,413 --> 00:35:00,093
Speaker 2: I find that annoying. I was scroll past that, but

750
00:35:00,133 --> 00:35:02,973
Speaker 2: that maybe that gives you because you registered with PayPal,

751
00:35:03,093 --> 00:35:07,013
Speaker 2: then yours sort of you're getting in there and they

752
00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:09,093
Speaker 2: take a little a little cut off the pay I'm

753
00:35:09,133 --> 00:35:12,093
Speaker 2: not sure how it works alone, musk a lot of money.

754
00:35:12,253 --> 00:35:15,213
Speaker 4: Dale always sort of looked dodgy, but maybe it is

755
00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:17,933
Speaker 4: a better way to do things right. We will take

756
00:35:17,933 --> 00:35:20,573
Speaker 4: a couple more of your calls. Rea shortly, it is

757
00:35:20,973 --> 00:35:22,212
Speaker 4: eleven minutes to two.

758
00:35:24,173 --> 00:35:27,813
Speaker 1: Mattith Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

759
00:35:27,813 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo

760
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:33,013
Speaker 1: XC ninety tick in every box.

761
00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:35,853
Speaker 6: A seamless experience awaits news dogs.

762
00:35:35,773 --> 00:35:40,893
Speaker 4: B seven to two having a great chat about scams

763
00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:43,333
Speaker 4: or moments where you almost got caught out by a

764
00:35:43,373 --> 00:35:44,573
Speaker 4: sophisticated scammer.

765
00:35:44,933 --> 00:35:46,973
Speaker 2: This texture of nineteen nine two says Hi, before I

766
00:35:47,013 --> 00:35:49,653
Speaker 2: paid my house sentiment, the lawyer emailed me the deposit

767
00:35:49,693 --> 00:35:52,493
Speaker 2: slip info and also instructed me to phone their office

768
00:35:52,493 --> 00:35:53,853
Speaker 2: to confirm the account number.

769
00:35:54,213 --> 00:35:55,893
Speaker 3: This was reassuring, so simple.

770
00:35:56,413 --> 00:35:59,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so the lawyer emailed me the deposit slip

771
00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:01,652
Speaker 2: info and also instructed me to phone their office to

772
00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:03,533
Speaker 2: confirm the number. Yeah, that's the thing, if you go

773
00:36:03,693 --> 00:36:06,093
Speaker 2: straight to the source whenever you're confused at all. And

774
00:36:06,213 --> 00:36:09,333
Speaker 2: we're talking about that email, such the email and voice before,

775
00:36:10,053 --> 00:36:11,973
Speaker 2: so if you look at it it's not quite right.

776
00:36:12,373 --> 00:36:14,732
Speaker 2: You can go through the direct channels and ask them

777
00:36:15,053 --> 00:36:16,533
Speaker 2: if you're doing business with them.

778
00:36:16,413 --> 00:36:17,493
Speaker 3: And that's a good lawyer.

779
00:36:17,893 --> 00:36:21,733
Speaker 4: But I can't recall when I've needed a service, and

780
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:24,172
Speaker 4: this isn't having a go at those organizations, but they

781
00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:26,692
Speaker 4: them telling me to do that to say, hey, we're

782
00:36:26,693 --> 00:36:28,413
Speaker 4: going to have some invoices here, there's going to be

783
00:36:28,413 --> 00:36:31,493
Speaker 4: some email communication. Just make sure that you give us

784
00:36:31,533 --> 00:36:33,733
Speaker 4: a call and make sure it's all above board.

785
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:34,453
Speaker 3: But I like that.

786
00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:36,093
Speaker 4: That's kind of where we're at in the world at

787
00:36:36,093 --> 00:36:36,693
Speaker 4: the moment, isn't it.

788
00:36:36,733 --> 00:36:36,933
Speaker 13: Yeah.

789
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:38,373
Speaker 2: Well, on a very basic level, if you get it,

790
00:36:38,453 --> 00:36:40,973
Speaker 2: you're expecting a pass package and this is the most

791
00:36:40,973 --> 00:36:43,333
Speaker 2: common one out there at the moment, and there is

792
00:36:43,493 --> 00:36:46,453
Speaker 2: you know your package is held up somewhere or whatever

793
00:36:46,493 --> 00:36:48,813
Speaker 2: details about your package. It's arrived for a text message

794
00:36:48,893 --> 00:36:52,613
Speaker 2: click on this link. Then if you're expecting as package,

795
00:36:52,693 --> 00:36:57,013
Speaker 2: ring up the people. If you need to go directly

796
00:36:57,053 --> 00:36:59,373
Speaker 2: to the source. They talked directly the source, so you

797
00:36:59,453 --> 00:37:02,773
Speaker 2: reach out to them rather than following the link. Because

798
00:37:03,493 --> 00:37:08,853
Speaker 2: nowadays there's no self respecting you know, coreer or whatever

799
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:11,413
Speaker 2: situation that's just going to send you something and say

800
00:37:11,413 --> 00:37:13,013
Speaker 2: click on the link. Yes, that's not the way it's

801
00:37:13,053 --> 00:37:13,493
Speaker 2: going to work.

802
00:37:14,093 --> 00:37:16,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then again, you know, if it's New Zealand

803
00:37:16,213 --> 00:37:18,733
Speaker 4: posts and not slamming New zeal on posts too much,

804
00:37:18,813 --> 00:37:20,373
Speaker 4: but good luck ringing them if you need to.

805
00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:21,533
Speaker 3: You're not going to get a hold of them.

806
00:37:21,813 --> 00:37:23,533
Speaker 4: So I can see why people fall for the scam

807
00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:25,133
Speaker 4: and say, oh they're not bloom an answer, and I'll

808
00:37:25,173 --> 00:37:26,773
Speaker 4: just click on the link because I really want my

809
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:27,493
Speaker 4: thing from Temu.

810
00:37:27,893 --> 00:37:29,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's so.

811
00:37:29,853 --> 00:37:33,613
Speaker 2: But if your your package isn't late, so then you

812
00:37:33,613 --> 00:37:34,733
Speaker 2: don't need to do anything, do you.

813
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:36,693
Speaker 4: But you know, I said, this is a problem with

814
00:37:36,693 --> 00:37:38,172
Speaker 4: all of us at the moment. We order so much

815
00:37:38,253 --> 00:37:40,373
Speaker 4: crap online that we don't keep up with that. So

816
00:37:40,493 --> 00:37:41,573
Speaker 4: that did I order a package?

817
00:37:41,613 --> 00:37:41,773
Speaker 6: Yeah?

818
00:37:41,773 --> 00:37:42,133
Speaker 3: I think I did.

819
00:37:42,213 --> 00:37:44,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Actually I had. I had something that

820
00:37:44,733 --> 00:37:46,693
Speaker 2: arrived yesterday and I was like, oh God, did I

821
00:37:46,733 --> 00:37:47,053
Speaker 2: find that?

822
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:48,933
Speaker 3: Jesus, what was I thinking.

823
00:37:49,733 --> 00:37:53,653
Speaker 2: So to spot online scams, look for red flags. Overly

824
00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:56,893
Speaker 2: enticing deals that seem too good to be true, unexpected contact,

825
00:37:57,533 --> 00:38:00,693
Speaker 2: asking for personal information, pressure to act immediately, that's a

826
00:38:00,693 --> 00:38:03,453
Speaker 2: good one. Suspicious links and emails of texts, requests for

827
00:38:03,573 --> 00:38:06,933
Speaker 2: upfront payments, Poorly designed websites, that's a good one. And

828
00:38:06,973 --> 00:38:10,013
Speaker 2: any communication that us for sensitive details like passwords or

829
00:38:10,053 --> 00:38:12,013
Speaker 2: credit card numbers without a clear reason.

830
00:38:12,213 --> 00:38:15,853
Speaker 4: Good tips very good. Tips really enjoyed that discussion. Thank

831
00:38:15,853 --> 00:38:19,133
Speaker 4: you very much. We're going to change tech after two o'clock.

832
00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:21,453
Speaker 4: We want to have a chat about public school versus

833
00:38:21,493 --> 00:38:24,172
Speaker 4: private school. This is on the back of a great

834
00:38:24,173 --> 00:38:27,453
Speaker 4: story in the Herald looking into christ College, very famous

835
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:30,853
Speaker 4: private school in christ Church, celebrating one hundred and seventy

836
00:38:31,093 --> 00:38:31,973
Speaker 4: five years.

837
00:38:32,213 --> 00:38:33,973
Speaker 2: I know some great people that went to that school.

838
00:38:33,973 --> 00:38:36,733
Speaker 2: But it's the most expensive one too, isn't it fifty

839
00:38:36,773 --> 00:38:39,213
Speaker 2: six thousand dollars if you're boarding and thirty four thousand

840
00:38:39,253 --> 00:38:41,172
Speaker 2: dollars if you're a day weat that's that's a bit.

841
00:38:41,333 --> 00:38:42,373
Speaker 3: That's a lot of cash.

842
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:45,373
Speaker 4: What does that fifty six thousand dollars actually get you

843
00:38:45,413 --> 00:38:47,693
Speaker 4: if you go to a private school that you couldn't

844
00:38:47,693 --> 00:38:48,773
Speaker 4: get from a public school.

845
00:38:48,853 --> 00:38:51,493
Speaker 2: Is it thirty four thousand dollars better than just sending

846
00:38:51,493 --> 00:38:53,053
Speaker 2: your kids to the local public school?

847
00:38:53,253 --> 00:38:53,493
Speaker 3: Yeah?

848
00:38:53,573 --> 00:38:56,093
Speaker 4: Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

849
00:38:56,093 --> 00:38:58,893
Speaker 4: to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

850
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:01,853
Speaker 4: New Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to

851
00:39:01,893 --> 00:39:02,453
Speaker 4: Matt and Tyler.

852
00:39:02,573 --> 00:39:51,533
Speaker 18: Very very good afternoon to you your new home for

853
00:39:51,653 --> 00:39:53,692
Speaker 18: insightful and entertaining talk.

854
00:39:53,853 --> 00:39:58,613
Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons with the XC Nighty

855
00:39:58,773 --> 00:39:59,573
Speaker 1: on News Talk.

856
00:39:59,653 --> 00:40:02,893
Speaker 4: Send me good afternoon, Welcome back to the show. Great

857
00:40:02,973 --> 00:40:06,053
Speaker 4: day of your company. As always, right, let's have a

858
00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:09,133
Speaker 4: chat about private school versus public school.

859
00:40:09,533 --> 00:40:13,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, so christ College is the most expensive private school

860
00:40:13,813 --> 00:40:16,133
Speaker 2: in the country, as we were saying before, thirty four

861
00:40:16,573 --> 00:40:19,533
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety for day boys, fifty six thousand,

862
00:40:20,133 --> 00:40:24,453
Speaker 2: four hundred and forty for boarding per year, and the

863
00:40:24,493 --> 00:40:27,853
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five years old. Not the oldest

864
00:40:28,773 --> 00:40:31,333
Speaker 2: private school in the country, but the most expensive.

865
00:40:31,453 --> 00:40:34,413
Speaker 4: I think Nelson College, my alma Martin might be the

866
00:40:34,453 --> 00:40:35,693
Speaker 4: oldest college in the country.

867
00:40:35,733 --> 00:40:37,893
Speaker 3: That's the oldest college. But that's not a private college,

868
00:40:37,933 --> 00:40:39,053
Speaker 3: is it. No, that's public.

869
00:40:39,453 --> 00:40:40,933
Speaker 2: That's public. It's the oldest school in the country.

870
00:40:41,013 --> 00:40:42,933
Speaker 3: I believe, so that I'll run out and go there.

871
00:40:43,013 --> 00:40:46,253
Speaker 4: He did a beautiful bust of Sir Ernest Rutherford and

872
00:40:46,373 --> 00:40:49,013
Speaker 4: the halls when you walk in and man, it's a

873
00:40:49,013 --> 00:40:51,893
Speaker 4: good school school for a public school. Okay, Yeah, But

874
00:40:52,253 --> 00:40:55,813
Speaker 4: as I think, there is one private high school Nelson

875
00:40:55,813 --> 00:40:59,613
Speaker 4: now called garn College, that didn't exist when I was there.

876
00:40:59,653 --> 00:41:01,933
Speaker 4: But on the talk about public versus prime but we

877
00:41:01,973 --> 00:41:04,253
Speaker 4: didn't really have an option, so I went to Nelson College,

878
00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:06,773
Speaker 4: which is a very good college for a public school.

879
00:41:06,973 --> 00:41:10,453
Speaker 4: My older brother went to Nayland and Nelson, which again

880
00:41:10,573 --> 00:41:12,573
Speaker 4: public school, and then my little bro went to Nelson

881
00:41:12,573 --> 00:41:15,373
Speaker 4: College as well, but it wasn't an option, saying that

882
00:41:15,493 --> 00:41:18,333
Speaker 4: there was a boarding house and from memory, the board

883
00:41:18,333 --> 00:41:19,373
Speaker 4: has paid about.

884
00:41:19,133 --> 00:41:22,732
Speaker 3: Ten ten k term. Oh yeah, so that was about

885
00:41:22,773 --> 00:41:23,573
Speaker 3: forty k oh.

886
00:41:23,653 --> 00:41:25,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have been eaten up and spat out in

887
00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:27,333
Speaker 2: a boarding school.

888
00:41:27,093 --> 00:41:32,453
Speaker 4: Mate, dodgy boarding schools at Nowson College, that's for sure.

889
00:41:32,613 --> 00:41:36,813
Speaker 2: The question is whether or not boarding or not or

890
00:41:36,853 --> 00:41:40,172
Speaker 2: such or whatever, are private school's worth it? Are they

891
00:41:40,173 --> 00:41:42,933
Speaker 2: better than public schools. I've got a very wealthy friend

892
00:41:43,213 --> 00:41:45,813
Speaker 2: who sent his kids to public school even though he

893
00:41:45,813 --> 00:41:47,573
Speaker 2: had more than enough money to go to private school.

894
00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:50,773
Speaker 2: And his theory on this situation was that he wanted

895
00:41:50,773 --> 00:41:54,053
Speaker 2: his kids to experience New Zealand society as it is

896
00:41:54,573 --> 00:41:59,453
Speaker 2: not some kind of purified, rarefied version of it where

897
00:41:59,493 --> 00:42:02,933
Speaker 2: all the you know, all the all the roughness had

898
00:42:02,933 --> 00:42:04,893
Speaker 2: been come off, so to deal with a whole lot

899
00:42:04,933 --> 00:42:05,732
Speaker 2: of different types of people.

900
00:42:05,813 --> 00:42:09,773
Speaker 4: Really, it's anos philosophy. They could and poor you know,

901
00:42:10,213 --> 00:42:13,293
Speaker 4: you'd be a more more well rounded person going to

902
00:42:13,253 --> 00:42:13,893
Speaker 4: a public school.

903
00:42:13,973 --> 00:42:16,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, you, and you'd hit the workforce being able to

904
00:42:16,133 --> 00:42:17,973
Speaker 2: deal with all kinds of people. That was his theory

905
00:42:18,013 --> 00:42:20,373
Speaker 2: on it. I went to I went to public school.

906
00:42:21,173 --> 00:42:23,212
Speaker 2: I was threatened every now and then with being sent

907
00:42:23,293 --> 00:42:26,053
Speaker 2: to boarding school due to my poor behavior. But I

908
00:42:26,093 --> 00:42:29,133
Speaker 2: went to public school, and I had a terrible education

909
00:42:29,413 --> 00:42:31,213
Speaker 2: and came out dumble.

910
00:42:31,013 --> 00:42:31,333
Speaker 3: Than I went.

911
00:42:31,373 --> 00:42:33,413
Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, but look at you now. Yeah,

912
00:42:33,453 --> 00:42:35,013
Speaker 4: it's a hell of a threat, though, isn't it. So

913
00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:36,853
Speaker 4: if you don't pull your head and we're going to

914
00:42:36,853 --> 00:42:39,933
Speaker 4: spend forty thousand dollars to send you to a private school,

915
00:42:39,973 --> 00:42:42,373
Speaker 4: so you better make sure you behave yourself.

916
00:42:42,453 --> 00:42:45,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hardn't though, John mcgreshon, was that much money

917
00:42:45,093 --> 00:42:47,292
Speaker 2: back in the day. But yeah, I wait, hundred eighty

918
00:42:47,413 --> 00:42:49,773
Speaker 2: ten eighty do your kids go to private school and

919
00:42:49,813 --> 00:42:52,093
Speaker 2: what are the advantages or I waite hundred and eighty

920
00:42:52,173 --> 00:42:54,613
Speaker 2: ten eighty a year happy with the education you get

921
00:42:54,653 --> 00:42:56,933
Speaker 2: to a public school and you just cannot imagine spending

922
00:42:56,973 --> 00:42:59,493
Speaker 2: that money because because I actually think, you know, my

923
00:42:59,613 --> 00:43:02,573
Speaker 2: kids went to public schools, and I think it's an

924
00:43:02,613 --> 00:43:06,933
Speaker 2: amazing thing that a school is provided for you. I mean,

925
00:43:06,973 --> 00:43:08,813
Speaker 2: I pay a lot of tax, but the school is

926
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:11,413
Speaker 2: provided for you. And it's a fantastic school that especially

927
00:43:11,413 --> 00:43:14,333
Speaker 2: the high school that my kids are at. It's a

928
00:43:14,373 --> 00:43:17,333
Speaker 2: fantastic thing that's been provided and put together and there's

929
00:43:17,373 --> 00:43:20,252
Speaker 2: great teachers and great opportunities there. So I think I'd

930
00:43:20,293 --> 00:43:23,053
Speaker 2: be crazy to ship them away from the public school

931
00:43:23,093 --> 00:43:23,573
Speaker 2: that they go to.

932
00:43:23,733 --> 00:43:26,093
Speaker 4: Seems to be a big thing in christ Church that

933
00:43:27,053 --> 00:43:30,293
Speaker 4: the private schools are held in very high esteem and parents,

934
00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:32,613
Speaker 4: if they can afford it, we'll get their kids to

935
00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:35,333
Speaker 4: those private schools. A hell of high water and it is.

936
00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:38,652
Speaker 4: It feels very christ specific there. But I think I

937
00:43:38,693 --> 00:43:40,973
Speaker 4: was lucky going to Nelson College. That was it's quite

938
00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:43,453
Speaker 4: an esteemed college, very well to do. They had a

939
00:43:43,453 --> 00:43:45,573
Speaker 4: lot of resource and they get a lot of money

940
00:43:45,573 --> 00:43:48,053
Speaker 4: from the community and got a good old boys network,

941
00:43:48,373 --> 00:43:50,973
Speaker 4: but still public. And I think that's a big thing

942
00:43:51,093 --> 00:43:54,973
Speaker 4: for Cantaps. And we're talking. What kicked off this topic

943
00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:57,053
Speaker 4: was Christ College the old boys network.

944
00:43:57,333 --> 00:43:58,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so.

945
00:43:58,253 --> 00:44:01,493
Speaker 2: You meet people in the upper echelons of society, and

946
00:44:01,693 --> 00:44:05,453
Speaker 2: so you will, even if you're not that flash yourself, Yeah,

947
00:44:05,533 --> 00:44:07,692
Speaker 2: you will operate in that. And then one day, You're

948
00:44:07,733 --> 00:44:11,693
Speaker 2: going to a job like we remember crumpeting you and

949
00:44:12,493 --> 00:44:13,413
Speaker 2: we are in the dormant.

950
00:44:13,413 --> 00:44:15,413
Speaker 4: It's very Charles Dickens, isn't it. That's how it used

951
00:44:15,413 --> 00:44:16,853
Speaker 4: to operate. I don't I don't know if I buy

952
00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:18,933
Speaker 4: that anymore. I don't know if the Old Boys network

953
00:44:19,013 --> 00:44:21,172
Speaker 4: is still as strong as it was fifty years ago.

954
00:44:21,333 --> 00:44:24,093
Speaker 2: This Texter on nineteen nine two says ex secondary teacher

955
00:44:24,133 --> 00:44:28,333
Speaker 2: taught in both private private as a networking exercise. Teachers

956
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:30,413
Speaker 2: that train the same resources are better on the private,

957
00:44:30,453 --> 00:44:32,573
Speaker 2: but they have the same issues bullying, eating disorders, and

958
00:44:33,933 --> 00:44:37,333
Speaker 2: mental health problems. You're better off investing those thousands for

959
00:44:37,413 --> 00:44:38,373
Speaker 2: life after school.

960
00:44:38,453 --> 00:44:41,172
Speaker 4: Great text, keep them coming through nine two, nine to two,

961
00:44:41,933 --> 00:44:43,693
Speaker 4: and the number to call a Z eight hundred and

962
00:44:43,693 --> 00:44:47,133
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. It is eleven past two.

963
00:44:47,493 --> 00:44:51,373
Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon talk Matt and Taylor afternoons

964
00:44:51,533 --> 00:44:55,493
Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.

965
00:44:55,613 --> 00:44:57,493
Speaker 6: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

966
00:44:57,613 --> 00:45:00,733
Speaker 3: News Talk said, be good afternoon.

967
00:45:00,733 --> 00:45:03,373
Speaker 4: We're talking about public versus private schools on the back

968
00:45:03,493 --> 00:45:05,853
Speaker 4: of a great story in the Herald, an in depth

969
00:45:06,293 --> 00:45:08,093
Speaker 4: focus on Christ College.

970
00:45:08,093 --> 00:45:09,812
Speaker 3: But the question is is it.

971
00:45:09,773 --> 00:45:13,373
Speaker 4: Really worth thirty four thousand dollars a year to put

972
00:45:13,373 --> 00:45:14,493
Speaker 4: your kid into private school.

973
00:45:14,533 --> 00:45:15,653
Speaker 3: What do you get for that money?

974
00:45:15,653 --> 00:45:17,253
Speaker 5: Well, if you go to Christ College, you've got that

975
00:45:17,533 --> 00:45:19,173
Speaker 5: way of talking. You've got to talk like this for

976
00:45:19,173 --> 00:45:20,573
Speaker 5: the rest of your life. You also do that from

977
00:45:20,653 --> 00:45:23,493
Speaker 5: Kings in Auckland. It's got some big alma mater, Lee Hart.

978
00:45:23,493 --> 00:45:25,773
Speaker 5: Of all people, he's a Christ College boy.

979
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:27,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great testament. Certainly.

980
00:45:28,173 --> 00:45:31,133
Speaker 4: Is one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

981
00:45:31,173 --> 00:45:33,293
Speaker 4: to call? Nine two ninety two is the text number?

982
00:45:33,813 --> 00:45:35,693
Speaker 3: Greg? How are you this afternoon?

983
00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:37,973
Speaker 13: Good Christ? How you guys?

984
00:45:37,973 --> 00:45:39,133
Speaker 6: Go? Very good?

985
00:45:39,573 --> 00:45:43,173
Speaker 13: You got I need to nail the primary school, so

986
00:45:43,213 --> 00:45:44,973
Speaker 13: I would have gone to nail and College and State

987
00:45:45,013 --> 00:45:47,893
Speaker 13: of Neilson bro so you you entered the plunchy school

988
00:45:47,893 --> 00:45:49,613
Speaker 13: where we went to the Clasic school.

989
00:45:49,773 --> 00:45:52,293
Speaker 4: It's a weird thing about Nowson College, isn't it is

990
00:45:52,333 --> 00:45:54,333
Speaker 4: that you kind of look at it and think it

991
00:45:54,373 --> 00:45:57,692
Speaker 4: should be private. But Nelson was too small to kind

992
00:45:57,693 --> 00:45:58,653
Speaker 4: of have a private college.

993
00:45:59,813 --> 00:46:02,693
Speaker 13: Yeah, I've out of the chided my children would navigate

994
00:46:03,093 --> 00:46:08,733
Speaker 13: religious schools or too wealthy rich private schools, and my

995
00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:12,133
Speaker 13: daughter went to a Catholic school because my wife decided

996
00:46:12,133 --> 00:46:14,893
Speaker 13: it was one hundred jars from home and she needed

997
00:46:14,893 --> 00:46:17,652
Speaker 13: to get some religious instruction for some reason.

998
00:46:17,813 --> 00:46:18,933
Speaker 14: And my son went.

999
00:46:19,573 --> 00:46:22,653
Speaker 13: My son went to one of the wealthy, most expensive

1000
00:46:22,693 --> 00:46:25,053
Speaker 13: to build on the Gold Coast in Australia for a

1001
00:46:25,053 --> 00:46:28,493
Speaker 13: few years now. That was worth the money because he

1002
00:46:28,533 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 13: went there for a specific degrees in the sporting scholarship.

1003
00:46:31,293 --> 00:46:32,252
Speaker 6: Getting that paid off.

1004
00:46:32,693 --> 00:46:34,893
Speaker 13: I don't think I can hear a keep wise. He

1005
00:46:35,013 --> 00:46:38,453
Speaker 13: did a lot of good, but sporting wise had definitely

1006
00:46:38,533 --> 00:46:41,013
Speaker 13: made a huge difference to what he was doing.

1007
00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:42,693
Speaker 3: So, Greg, are you standing?

1008
00:46:42,773 --> 00:46:45,093
Speaker 2: Are you standing beside a jet engine or something out there?

1009
00:46:45,213 --> 00:46:47,013
Speaker 2: You've got a window open, a car or something.

1010
00:46:47,733 --> 00:46:48,813
Speaker 7: I'm driving in the car.

1011
00:46:49,213 --> 00:46:52,493
Speaker 13: The truth onto the hearing aids. That's what I said

1012
00:46:52,533 --> 00:46:54,213
Speaker 13: to the producer. I said, if you can't hear me

1013
00:46:54,293 --> 00:46:55,533
Speaker 13: from you, hang up.

1014
00:46:58,653 --> 00:47:00,573
Speaker 2: We'll stick with you a bit longer. But there's quite

1015
00:47:00,613 --> 00:47:04,773
Speaker 2: a lot of noise there that we appreciate your call. So, Greg,

1016
00:47:04,813 --> 00:47:07,173
Speaker 2: so that was a sporting college for a particular particular

1017
00:47:07,213 --> 00:47:10,453
Speaker 2: sport and and that paid off. Hey, when you said

1018
00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:13,093
Speaker 2: that you're one of your kids went to Catholic school?

1019
00:47:13,133 --> 00:47:15,893
Speaker 2: Were you Catholic? Did you you know were they were

1020
00:47:16,173 --> 00:47:17,373
Speaker 2: they baptized.

1021
00:47:18,413 --> 00:47:20,093
Speaker 13: While we were in zone for that school. But my

1022
00:47:20,173 --> 00:47:24,173
Speaker 13: wife parents were Catholic, so we used that way. And

1023
00:47:24,333 --> 00:47:26,893
Speaker 13: since then I found out that I'm being either statised Catholic.

1024
00:47:26,893 --> 00:47:28,853
Speaker 13: I had no idea and I'm sixteen years old now,

1025
00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:34,253
Speaker 13: so my brother told me and so. But yeah, that

1026
00:47:34,453 --> 00:47:35,853
Speaker 13: was more of a convenience thing.

1027
00:47:38,293 --> 00:47:39,373
Speaker 17: For for us.

1028
00:47:39,733 --> 00:47:42,373
Speaker 13: My stays with the sport the kids are doing.

1029
00:47:42,373 --> 00:47:43,172
Speaker 18: It was he deal.

1030
00:47:43,213 --> 00:47:45,692
Speaker 13: I got a art way between the and the signing pool,

1031
00:47:45,773 --> 00:47:49,133
Speaker 13: so they made their life eat yet but yeah, I

1032
00:47:49,173 --> 00:47:51,853
Speaker 13: think they're paid off too well. My daughter had quite

1033
00:47:51,853 --> 00:47:55,413
Speaker 13: a few, shall we say, robust discussions with the religious

1034
00:47:55,453 --> 00:47:58,773
Speaker 13: teachers at the school, ended up getting that ended up

1035
00:47:58,773 --> 00:48:01,973
Speaker 13: getting the top religious award at the school, which is surprising.

1036
00:48:02,813 --> 00:48:07,973
Speaker 13: But I think both of the schools had in the eparents.

1037
00:48:08,493 --> 00:48:10,812
Speaker 13: The private school. To be honest with your broading side

1038
00:48:10,813 --> 00:48:17,772
Speaker 13: of it, it wasn't really I think we were hearing

1039
00:48:17,813 --> 00:48:19,173
Speaker 13: your said on the he was of Australia, so it

1040
00:48:19,253 --> 00:48:22,013
Speaker 13: made it a bit more difficult to be feared up

1041
00:48:22,013 --> 00:48:25,453
Speaker 13: when you needed to, and there was a lot of

1042
00:48:26,093 --> 00:48:28,493
Speaker 13: There was a lot of nice, very wealthy people, but

1043
00:48:28,533 --> 00:48:32,213
Speaker 13: there was also a lot of self entitled very wealthy

1044
00:48:32,213 --> 00:48:35,213
Speaker 13: people there too. Yeah, there was a sort of a

1045
00:48:35,213 --> 00:48:37,613
Speaker 13: lot of pik win for farming to my farming back man,

1046
00:48:37,653 --> 00:48:39,212
Speaker 13: isn't it sex school?

1047
00:48:39,213 --> 00:48:42,812
Speaker 3: Because I was slightly rade, I think we've just lost

1048
00:48:42,853 --> 00:48:46,013
Speaker 3: your Greg. But thank you for your cool, Greg, appreciate it.

1049
00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:48,213
Speaker 3: Sounds like, yeah, that you were your boy. What was

1050
00:48:48,253 --> 00:48:50,453
Speaker 3: that a goldie heater? There was a lot of noise

1051
00:48:50,493 --> 00:48:51,653
Speaker 3: in there.

1052
00:48:51,173 --> 00:48:53,253
Speaker 4: He was, but good cool, Thank you very much.

1053
00:48:53,293 --> 00:48:53,533
Speaker 3: Greg.

1054
00:48:53,533 --> 00:48:57,453
Speaker 4: A couple of texts here, guys, they're not private schools.

1055
00:48:57,533 --> 00:49:00,213
Speaker 4: Tax payers are paying well.

1056
00:49:00,093 --> 00:49:02,013
Speaker 2: No, they're paying some of it, but not as much.

1057
00:49:02,093 --> 00:49:04,573
Speaker 2: I think as someone could correct me on this, but

1058
00:49:04,333 --> 00:49:08,173
Speaker 2: I believe the government spends about a quarter of the

1059
00:49:08,333 --> 00:49:10,893
Speaker 2: honey on a private school student as they do on

1060
00:49:11,173 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 2: a public school student. I believe you I might might

1061
00:49:14,413 --> 00:49:16,893
Speaker 2: have to lock into that, so bang on. So if

1062
00:49:16,893 --> 00:49:18,893
Speaker 2: you're if you're sending your kid to a private school,

1063
00:49:18,893 --> 00:49:21,093
Speaker 2: then you're doing a really good thing for the country.

1064
00:49:21,133 --> 00:49:23,133
Speaker 2: You're helping out there because you're because you're choosing to

1065
00:49:23,173 --> 00:49:27,453
Speaker 2: both pay taxes and also pay for you most of

1066
00:49:27,493 --> 00:49:31,533
Speaker 2: your kids' education. Yeah, so you know, good on, good

1067
00:49:31,573 --> 00:49:32,933
Speaker 2: on people that do it. You have a found the

1068
00:49:33,013 --> 00:49:34,172
Speaker 2: nation and you are bang on.

1069
00:49:34,213 --> 00:49:37,453
Speaker 4: Independent schools receive and private schools receive a subsidy of

1070
00:49:37,613 --> 00:49:40,093
Speaker 4: one thousand, five hundred and eighty dollars per student, a

1071
00:49:40,173 --> 00:49:43,293
Speaker 4: quarter of the per student government funding received by state schools.

1072
00:49:43,293 --> 00:49:43,853
Speaker 3: A nice work.

1073
00:49:43,973 --> 00:49:46,013
Speaker 4: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1074
00:49:46,173 --> 00:49:49,813
Speaker 4: number to call private versus Public? Is it worth spending

1075
00:49:49,813 --> 00:49:52,413
Speaker 4: an extra thirty thousand dollars plus a year to send

1076
00:49:52,413 --> 00:49:54,573
Speaker 4: them to private? Love to hear from you. It is

1077
00:49:54,813 --> 00:49:55,772
Speaker 4: nineteen past two.

1078
00:49:59,653 --> 00:50:03,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty

1079
00:50:03,413 --> 00:50:04,973
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZV.

1080
00:50:05,533 --> 00:50:08,533
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, It is twenty one past two and a

1081
00:50:08,573 --> 00:50:11,453
Speaker 4: good discussion about private versus public on the back of

1082
00:50:11,493 --> 00:50:14,772
Speaker 4: an in depth feature about Christ College down in christ Church.

1083
00:50:15,013 --> 00:50:18,573
Speaker 4: But is it really worth spending thirty thousand dollars plus

1084
00:50:18,613 --> 00:50:20,613
Speaker 4: per year to send your child to private?

1085
00:50:20,933 --> 00:50:21,133
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1086
00:50:21,173 --> 00:50:23,053
Speaker 2: I wonder if you went to your kid in year nine,

1087
00:50:23,213 --> 00:50:27,172
Speaker 2: which is third form in my years, and said, hey, hey,

1088
00:50:27,573 --> 00:50:31,013
Speaker 2: hey son, because I've got sons, hay Son, would you

1089
00:50:31,133 --> 00:50:33,893
Speaker 2: like to go to private school? Or would you like

1090
00:50:33,933 --> 00:50:36,293
Speaker 2: me to give you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1091
00:50:36,373 --> 00:50:39,653
Speaker 2: or whatever that is? Plus interest over the time when

1092
00:50:39,693 --> 00:50:42,093
Speaker 2: you leave school at eighteen.

1093
00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:43,692
Speaker 4: I can answer that for you. One hundred and fifty

1094
00:50:43,733 --> 00:50:46,533
Speaker 4: k dare please, I'll take the money. But it is

1095
00:50:46,533 --> 00:50:48,333
Speaker 4: a fair question. I mean, if you were to put

1096
00:50:48,333 --> 00:50:50,652
Speaker 4: that money aside and that's a house to posit for

1097
00:50:50,693 --> 00:50:53,373
Speaker 4: your kid, is that of more value than private school.

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00:50:53,813 --> 00:50:56,213
Speaker 2: This text of phil Thank you. The scholarship results came out,

1099
00:50:56,253 --> 00:50:58,613
Speaker 2: you say, even when adjusted for school sized, public schools

1100
00:50:58,653 --> 00:51:01,573
Speaker 2: come out way on top. Now, I understand that if

1101
00:51:01,693 --> 00:51:04,413
Speaker 2: public schools and private schools the difference in terms of

1102
00:51:04,453 --> 00:51:08,053
Speaker 2: exam results, and it's about the same. If you go

1103
00:51:08,093 --> 00:51:11,773
Speaker 2: to a school in arisme well off area, then the

1104
00:51:11,813 --> 00:51:13,893
Speaker 2: results are about the same as a private school.

1105
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:14,212
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1106
00:51:14,213 --> 00:51:15,373
Speaker 3: So if you go to say, for.

1107
00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:20,853
Speaker 2: Example, Auckland Grammar for example, then the results are very

1108
00:51:20,893 --> 00:51:23,053
Speaker 2: similar to a private school.

1109
00:51:22,733 --> 00:51:24,413
Speaker 4: Which makes sense. I've just got a bit of a

1110
00:51:24,453 --> 00:51:26,053
Speaker 4: I've got that story in front of me. Actually, do

1111
00:51:26,093 --> 00:51:28,573
Speaker 4: you want to hear the top five in terms of

1112
00:51:28,693 --> 00:51:30,093
Speaker 4: NCAA achievement.

1113
00:51:29,773 --> 00:51:31,413
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, let's go all right.

1114
00:51:31,493 --> 00:51:33,453
Speaker 4: So Number one I own a college which is in

1115
00:51:33,493 --> 00:51:37,573
Speaker 4: Havelock North Integrated. Number two mana Tamariki which is Palmerston North.

1116
00:51:37,613 --> 00:51:41,133
Speaker 4: That is a state school, public school. Number three Green School,

1117
00:51:41,373 --> 00:51:44,813
Speaker 4: New Zealand, which is a New Plymouth private. Number four

1118
00:51:45,213 --> 00:51:49,053
Speaker 4: Natawa Dyerson's School in Martin that's an integrated school. And

1119
00:51:49,173 --> 00:51:54,213
Speaker 4: number five is Baradene College in Auckland integrated good Rowers. Yeah,

1120
00:51:54,293 --> 00:51:57,973
Speaker 4: and all of those schools achieved at least an achievement

1121
00:51:58,053 --> 00:52:02,413
Speaker 4: rate of ninety six percent. For NCEEA, so one that

1122
00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:06,893
Speaker 4: people will be familiar with in Auckland. Saint Cuth's YEP

1123
00:52:07,253 --> 00:52:10,013
Speaker 4: number seven at ninety four percent success rate.

1124
00:52:10,013 --> 00:52:13,253
Speaker 3: Where's Christ College? We're talking about Christ College. We're going

1125
00:52:13,293 --> 00:52:13,813
Speaker 3: to need to go down.

1126
00:52:13,813 --> 00:52:15,693
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to refresh the page here to

1127
00:52:15,773 --> 00:52:19,133
Speaker 4: find King's was what's King's number?

1128
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:20,773
Speaker 3: Kings is the Christ College of Auckland.

1129
00:52:20,853 --> 00:52:25,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's number nineteen. Whereas Christ there's way down the list. Wow,

1130
00:52:25,453 --> 00:52:28,733
Speaker 4: you're thirty four and ninety bucks. I'm going to have

1131
00:52:28,733 --> 00:52:30,013
Speaker 4: to come back to you. I'm going to have to

1132
00:52:30,013 --> 00:52:32,692
Speaker 4: go through the lessons try and find Christ College. Lit's

1133
00:52:32,693 --> 00:52:36,293
Speaker 4: go to the phones though, and Dave, how are you hi?

1134
00:52:36,333 --> 00:52:38,013
Speaker 13: Good afternoon fellas.

1135
00:52:39,013 --> 00:52:42,093
Speaker 4: And public versus private? Did you go to a private

1136
00:52:42,093 --> 00:52:42,693
Speaker 4: school yourself?

1137
00:52:42,813 --> 00:52:45,652
Speaker 3: Dave Marlboro Boys college mate?

1138
00:52:45,693 --> 00:52:50,253
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, solid school public, public airs, but solid.

1139
00:52:49,933 --> 00:52:55,813
Speaker 19: School, public public school for school. My daughter went to

1140
00:52:55,853 --> 00:53:00,013
Speaker 19: a private school and my son goes to an integraded school.

1141
00:53:00,173 --> 00:53:01,373
Speaker 19: You know, any what.

1142
00:53:01,453 --> 00:53:02,813
Speaker 12: Do you call it?

1143
00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:04,773
Speaker 19: It's not public, but it's not private.

1144
00:53:05,613 --> 00:53:07,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, stayed integrated school yep.

1145
00:53:08,413 --> 00:53:16,093
Speaker 19: And Christ's Yeah. Look, I personally, I think there's still

1146
00:53:16,133 --> 00:53:20,613
Speaker 19: a bit of a labeled handbagger attitude in particular crisis

1147
00:53:20,653 --> 00:53:24,813
Speaker 19: about what school your kids go do it's you know,

1148
00:53:26,533 --> 00:53:28,893
Speaker 19: there's that belief that you know, if you've got them,

1149
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:31,373
Speaker 19: if you've got the weather rules to do it in fine,

1150
00:53:31,573 --> 00:53:35,893
Speaker 19: you know. I think they're that whole attitude of you know,

1151
00:53:35,973 --> 00:53:40,453
Speaker 19: my children go to this school is still prevalent in that,

1152
00:53:40,653 --> 00:53:44,652
Speaker 19: you know, in some people's minds. But I think quite

1153
00:53:44,773 --> 00:53:50,373
Speaker 19: public schools do an amazing job at giving young young

1154
00:53:50,413 --> 00:53:54,813
Speaker 19: adults just as much opportunity as private schools. I'm sure

1155
00:53:54,813 --> 00:53:58,253
Speaker 19: they don't have the ski trips and haspen and so forth,

1156
00:53:58,293 --> 00:54:02,373
Speaker 19: but they do an amazing job. And I wouldn't spend

1157
00:54:02,933 --> 00:54:06,133
Speaker 19: the money on a private school if I had my time.

1158
00:54:06,133 --> 00:54:07,733
Speaker 6: Again, I wonder, what's.

1159
00:54:07,493 --> 00:54:11,213
Speaker 2: What it's better to be, dave, to be the to

1160
00:54:11,333 --> 00:54:14,933
Speaker 2: be a poor person. A poorer person like less money

1161
00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:18,933
Speaker 2: amongst a bunch of rich people, or how that affects

1162
00:54:18,973 --> 00:54:21,573
Speaker 2: you because if your parents scratch it together, go to

1163
00:54:21,613 --> 00:54:26,013
Speaker 2: private school to make your life better and you're but

1164
00:54:26,053 --> 00:54:27,773
Speaker 2: you don't have the same advantages as some of the

1165
00:54:27,813 --> 00:54:30,373
Speaker 2: other people. Is that better for you because you make

1166
00:54:30,413 --> 00:54:32,613
Speaker 2: the connections with wealth for your people and you operate

1167
00:54:32,653 --> 00:54:34,933
Speaker 2: in those circles. Or do you just go around having

1168
00:54:34,973 --> 00:54:38,013
Speaker 2: a skewed version of the world and always feel like

1169
00:54:38,093 --> 00:54:41,733
Speaker 2: a insufficient or something and ashamed of your house?

1170
00:54:43,053 --> 00:54:45,333
Speaker 19: Oh mate, look, I think it's the worst thing you

1171
00:54:45,333 --> 00:54:48,333
Speaker 19: can do. The movie Extent of a Woman comes straight

1172
00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:51,093
Speaker 19: into my into the front check.

1173
00:54:51,053 --> 00:54:51,613
Speaker 13: To my brain.

1174
00:54:51,733 --> 00:54:54,533
Speaker 3: Great movie, I think, yeah, great movie.

1175
00:54:54,613 --> 00:54:58,692
Speaker 19: I think you should just focus on developing your young

1176
00:54:58,773 --> 00:54:59,853
Speaker 19: people with good.

1177
00:54:59,773 --> 00:55:01,812
Speaker 7: Character, and you don't.

1178
00:55:01,893 --> 00:55:03,653
Speaker 19: And just because they go to private school, they're not

1179
00:55:03,693 --> 00:55:05,652
Speaker 19: going to have any more characters, like to say, I'm

1180
00:55:05,653 --> 00:55:09,933
Speaker 19: a Christian, so I've got a better characters rubbish. Develop

1181
00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:12,652
Speaker 19: your children, tell them and show them that the only

1182
00:55:12,773 --> 00:55:14,933
Speaker 19: job they start at the top is digging holes, mate,

1183
00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:19,493
Speaker 19: And doesn't matter whether you're wealthy or middle class or

1184
00:55:19,573 --> 00:55:24,893
Speaker 19: port everyone has got the opportunity to succeed in life.

1185
00:55:25,893 --> 00:55:27,173
Speaker 7: In a private school.

1186
00:55:27,533 --> 00:55:32,373
Speaker 19: Actually, in my mind is an anchor around some kipt net.

1187
00:55:34,013 --> 00:55:34,373
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1188
00:55:34,493 --> 00:55:38,212
Speaker 4: I mean it's an interesting one, isn't it, Dave. It's

1189
00:55:38,213 --> 00:55:40,853
Speaker 4: about who you know, not what you know, and sometimes

1190
00:55:40,893 --> 00:55:42,772
Speaker 4: that is very true in life. But whether you make

1191
00:55:42,813 --> 00:55:45,293
Speaker 4: those connections at the high school level, or whether you

1192
00:55:45,333 --> 00:55:47,893
Speaker 4: start to make those connections once you get into university

1193
00:55:48,253 --> 00:55:50,493
Speaker 4: or get into your working life, that would be where

1194
00:55:50,493 --> 00:55:52,933
Speaker 4: I would lean to. That's when you start to prove

1195
00:55:52,973 --> 00:55:54,333
Speaker 4: your own worth and make those connections.

1196
00:55:54,453 --> 00:55:54,573
Speaker 7: Right.

1197
00:55:55,853 --> 00:55:59,133
Speaker 19: Well, my partner's a very successful woman. She put her

1198
00:55:59,213 --> 00:56:02,933
Speaker 19: children go to a private school. She was a Nelson

1199
00:56:03,413 --> 00:56:07,533
Speaker 19: Nelson Girls student. Ever went to a private school has

1200
00:56:07,693 --> 00:56:10,533
Speaker 19: needed streaming well in life. The two kids go to

1201
00:56:10,573 --> 00:56:15,573
Speaker 19: a very well known private school. The problem is they

1202
00:56:15,613 --> 00:56:21,053
Speaker 19: have no empathy. And you know not every student has

1203
00:56:21,093 --> 00:56:25,853
Speaker 19: the stained but and you know she's got bucket loads

1204
00:56:25,853 --> 00:56:30,652
Speaker 19: of it. I just think that, you know, you teach

1205
00:56:30,733 --> 00:56:34,493
Speaker 19: those things, those characters characteristic to your children and don't

1206
00:56:34,533 --> 00:56:37,173
Speaker 19: rely on a teacher and all the color of the

1207
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:39,732
Speaker 19: uniform or how many badges I've got on their leftl.

1208
00:56:40,213 --> 00:56:42,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll think of you cool, Dave. Appreciate that.

1209
00:56:42,773 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 2: When I think about private and public schools, always think

1210
00:56:44,893 --> 00:56:46,333
Speaker 2: of that movie Class. Do you remember that it was

1211
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:46,973
Speaker 2: from the eighties.

1212
00:56:47,173 --> 00:56:50,453
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that. Rob low Andrew McCarthy.

1213
00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:53,613
Speaker 2: And Andrew McCarthy's a he's not a rich kid, and

1214
00:56:53,653 --> 00:56:55,893
Speaker 2: he goes to this rich school but anyway ends up

1215
00:56:55,933 --> 00:57:01,173
Speaker 2: going to the house of his rich friend, Rob Lowe's house,

1216
00:57:01,213 --> 00:57:03,413
Speaker 2: and anyway ends up sleeping with robb Loow's mother and

1217
00:57:03,453 --> 00:57:05,533
Speaker 2: it all gets out of control and it's great movie.

1218
00:57:05,533 --> 00:57:06,453
Speaker 3: It sounds like a good time.

1219
00:57:07,693 --> 00:57:09,653
Speaker 4: And quickly the six to get our guys, what number

1220
00:57:09,693 --> 00:57:11,692
Speaker 4: did Denny Urk High School come through?

1221
00:57:11,853 --> 00:57:14,053
Speaker 3: Chahoo? Well? I had to look up.

1222
00:57:13,973 --> 00:57:17,613
Speaker 4: Dear Texter, and Denny Vik High School isn't listed in

1223
00:57:17,773 --> 00:57:19,333
Speaker 4: terms of a number, but it was a pass rate

1224
00:57:19,373 --> 00:57:20,853
Speaker 4: of forty two percent, So.

1225
00:57:20,853 --> 00:57:25,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is my my school? Bogan Park High

1226
00:57:25,693 --> 00:57:29,733
Speaker 2: School in Dunedin, Ogan It was called everyone called a

1227
00:57:29,773 --> 00:57:33,293
Speaker 2: Bogan Park al right, Logan Park, Logan Park High School,

1228
00:57:33,333 --> 00:57:34,173
Speaker 2: Butts Road, Dunedin.

1229
00:57:34,213 --> 00:57:36,013
Speaker 3: Okay, let's have a weird lookit of that. That'd be

1230
00:57:36,093 --> 00:57:36,413
Speaker 3: right at the.

1231
00:57:36,413 --> 00:57:39,213
Speaker 2: Top, wouldn't it. Park a bunch of prefabs in a

1232
00:57:39,573 --> 00:57:40,533
Speaker 2: south facing.

1233
00:57:40,333 --> 00:57:43,653
Speaker 4: Valley to better Logan Park fifty three percent pass rate?

1234
00:57:43,813 --> 00:57:44,173
Speaker 3: Really?

1235
00:57:44,253 --> 00:57:46,453
Speaker 4: Come on, you can get that up, Come on, say

1236
00:57:46,533 --> 00:57:49,093
Speaker 4: what happened when you left Logan Parks, left Bogan Park

1237
00:57:49,093 --> 00:57:52,253
Speaker 4: and I went down hill? One hundred and eighty ten

1238
00:57:52,333 --> 00:57:55,533
Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call. Headlines with Rayling coming up.

1239
00:57:55,773 --> 00:57:59,213
Speaker 4: It's twenty nine past two.

1240
00:57:59,893 --> 00:58:03,053
Speaker 1: Hus talk said the headlines with blue Bubble Taxi.

1241
00:58:03,293 --> 00:58:06,053
Speaker 15: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Minister in

1242
00:58:06,133 --> 00:58:09,613
Speaker 15: charge of acc has announced two probes into the Injury

1243
00:58:09,693 --> 00:58:14,373
Speaker 15: Support and Compensation Agency, one focusing on case management and

1244
00:58:14,453 --> 00:58:18,373
Speaker 15: another on investment. The husband of Karen White, who was

1245
00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:21,693
Speaker 15: found dead in Lake Harwee last March, has pleaded not

1246
00:58:21,853 --> 00:58:24,973
Speaker 15: guilty to her murder. Robert White has been remarded on

1247
00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:28,733
Speaker 15: bail to his home. O Tago police say man wanted

1248
00:58:28,733 --> 00:58:31,853
Speaker 15: for alleged firearms offending has been found dead in a

1249
00:58:31,933 --> 00:58:35,373
Speaker 15: Kluther house this morning after specialized squads gathered at the

1250
00:58:35,453 --> 00:58:40,933
Speaker 15: rural property overnight. Tapati Mari m P Takuta Ferris has

1251
00:58:40,933 --> 00:58:44,653
Speaker 15: been asked to apologize for deliberately misleading the house. He

1252
00:58:44,653 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 15: had said he wasn't calling MP's liars when he described

1253
00:58:48,213 --> 00:58:52,373
Speaker 15: them as being masters of obscuring the truth. New Zealand

1254
00:58:52,453 --> 00:58:55,573
Speaker 15: on air and the Film Commissioner welcoming a merger proposal,

1255
00:58:55,893 --> 00:58:58,973
Speaker 15: one of five media change options mooted by the Ministry

1256
00:58:58,973 --> 00:59:02,853
Speaker 15: for Culture and Heritage. A Hamilton woman says she shook

1257
00:59:03,053 --> 00:59:05,853
Speaker 15: like a leaf when she found she had won ten

1258
00:59:05,933 --> 00:59:08,973
Speaker 15: and a half million dollars with a forgotten ball ticket

1259
00:59:09,053 --> 00:59:10,173
Speaker 15: she discovered.

1260
00:59:09,733 --> 00:59:10,693
Speaker 6: In her handbag.

1261
00:59:11,733 --> 00:59:14,413
Speaker 15: Simon Wilson, she has a few ideas to help Chris

1262
00:59:14,493 --> 00:59:17,453
Speaker 15: Luxon go for growth. You can see his full column.

1263
00:59:17,493 --> 00:59:20,093
Speaker 15: It ends at Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan

1264
00:59:20,173 --> 00:59:21,013
Speaker 15: Tyler Adams.

1265
00:59:21,013 --> 00:59:22,093
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen.

1266
00:59:22,133 --> 00:59:26,013
Speaker 4: We're talking about the public school versus private school debate

1267
00:59:26,093 --> 00:59:28,093
Speaker 4: on the back of an in depth feature about Christ

1268
00:59:28,173 --> 00:59:31,293
Speaker 4: College down in christ Church. But at a cost of

1269
00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:34,533
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars plus for a day boy and fifty

1270
00:59:34,613 --> 00:59:37,933
Speaker 4: four thousand dollars for a border is that really value

1271
00:59:37,973 --> 00:59:40,693
Speaker 4: for money these days? Private school says this Texas just

1272
00:59:40,773 --> 00:59:44,493
Speaker 4: has rich bullies and measuring competitions. Better off getting out

1273
00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:48,293
Speaker 4: into the real world. Most rich never went to any school.

1274
00:59:48,573 --> 00:59:50,453
Speaker 4: I mean most said rich never went to any school.

1275
00:59:50,733 --> 00:59:53,973
Speaker 4: I think I know that this person says ridiculous argument.

1276
00:59:54,053 --> 00:59:56,613
Speaker 4: It's always been about who you know and not what

1277
00:59:56,693 --> 01:00:00,413
Speaker 4: you know. When basic Edugan state education standards are equal.

1278
01:00:00,533 --> 01:00:01,013
Speaker 6: Is that right?

1279
01:00:01,133 --> 01:00:03,133
Speaker 2: Is it right? I mean, there's so many people that

1280
01:00:03,173 --> 01:00:04,853
Speaker 2: have fought their way out for the bottom, they had

1281
01:00:04,893 --> 01:00:05,573
Speaker 2: that desire.

1282
01:00:06,373 --> 01:00:09,333
Speaker 3: I mean there's a I've certainly know.

1283
01:00:09,293 --> 01:00:11,453
Speaker 2: A few people that have been that have grown up

1284
01:00:11,493 --> 01:00:14,053
Speaker 2: quite wealthy trust fund kids and stuff that had all

1285
01:00:14,093 --> 01:00:17,053
Speaker 2: the advantages, went to private school and have turned their

1286
01:00:17,493 --> 01:00:19,573
Speaker 2: worlds into a hellholes of their own making.

1287
01:00:19,733 --> 01:00:19,973
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1288
01:00:20,013 --> 01:00:22,213
Speaker 4: And I'm just trying to think of connections I made

1289
01:00:22,253 --> 01:00:26,013
Speaker 4: at high school Nelson College that have got me, you know,

1290
01:00:26,053 --> 01:00:28,253
Speaker 4: an extra leg up in life. I don't know if

1291
01:00:28,293 --> 01:00:30,053
Speaker 4: I was making those connections in high school that was

1292
01:00:30,053 --> 01:00:31,133
Speaker 4: a little bit later in life.

1293
01:00:31,213 --> 01:00:32,133
Speaker 3: This is an interesting one.

1294
01:00:32,133 --> 01:00:33,933
Speaker 2: If you look at brain science, which is a weird

1295
01:00:33,933 --> 01:00:38,573
Speaker 2: way to say brain science, the research shows that it's

1296
01:00:38,613 --> 01:00:40,853
Speaker 2: way better to use the money earlier and spend the

1297
01:00:40,893 --> 01:00:42,773
Speaker 2: first few years of your children life at home with

1298
01:00:42,893 --> 01:00:45,053
Speaker 2: than it is to invest in private schooling. Yeah, because

1299
01:00:45,053 --> 01:00:46,533
Speaker 2: I was saying, would you say to your kid in

1300
01:00:46,613 --> 01:00:49,293
Speaker 2: year nine, joan one hundred and fifty thousand dollars at

1301
01:00:49,293 --> 01:00:51,293
Speaker 2: the end of it. But you know, like the Attaga

1302
01:00:51,533 --> 01:00:56,733
Speaker 2: Longitudinal Study, fantastic study out of my hometown that started

1303
01:00:56,733 --> 01:01:00,573
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy two. It has found that basically all

1304
01:01:00,613 --> 01:01:02,493
Speaker 2: the investment in the first three years of your life

1305
01:01:02,533 --> 01:01:05,013
Speaker 2: is the main thing. So if you want to spend

1306
01:01:05,013 --> 01:01:07,253
Speaker 2: money on your kids, spend it early in.

1307
01:01:07,213 --> 01:01:10,573
Speaker 4: The first thousand days a toddler. One hundred and eighty

1308
01:01:10,613 --> 01:01:12,853
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. Morris, How are

1309
01:01:12,893 --> 01:01:13,613
Speaker 4: you this afternoon?

1310
01:01:14,413 --> 01:01:18,173
Speaker 14: Oh, not a bad lad, calm hands down on private school.

1311
01:01:19,053 --> 01:01:23,173
Speaker 14: And I've got five girls at Winters and Customers, four

1312
01:01:23,213 --> 01:01:25,093
Speaker 14: boys that have gone to Kings and they started the

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Speaker 14: King's Prep and when they're in the public tick one

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Speaker 14: of my daughters in are she's so dumb, she's bordering

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Speaker 14: on special needs. But she didn't enjoy it because they

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01:01:35,333 --> 01:01:37,333
Speaker 14: spoke down. He had taught you like a She was

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Speaker 14: always brought up like an adult. As soon as she

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Speaker 14: got ontot Customer. She is in the top two percent

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Speaker 14: of the country when oldest skirls have gone on ones

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Speaker 14: and all speed suning ones at GP. And you can't

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Speaker 14: say that it's not from anything other than education.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And what was the specific change there? Was it

1323
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Speaker 4: zeroing in on on what your daughter actually needed to succeed.

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Speaker 4: Is it the fact that they had to meet more

1325
01:01:58,533 --> 01:02:00,693
Speaker 4: resources that you could have a one on one with

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Speaker 4: a teacher.

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Speaker 14: Well, at Customers, they have a teacher twenty two students

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Speaker 14: in her class, and then they have one teacher ade

1329
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Speaker 14: per class. Of you are slightly behind, you get the

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Speaker 14: one on ones to bring you up and that's the goal.

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Speaker 14: And thenother thing the variety. She learned Mandarin, French, and Spanish.

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Speaker 14: This is before she got to the intermediate that's.

1333
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Speaker 7: In the junior schourse.

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Speaker 14: I played the trombone all of these things which are

1335
01:02:25,893 --> 01:02:30,373
Speaker 14: character building and people go, oh, you know that's really jerkyish,

1336
01:02:30,533 --> 01:02:32,613
Speaker 14: but it actually is what develops her character.

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Speaker 2: Man, learn Mandarin is a really really hard language to learn,

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01:02:38,573 --> 01:02:40,973
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah, I mean it's all the different pictures

1339
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Speaker 2: and such.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, but it's the culture of the school is what

1341
01:02:45,493 --> 01:02:46,773
Speaker 14: gives them the desire to do that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: And and she looked.

1344
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Speaker 7: She was told she.

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01:02:49,973 --> 01:02:52,053
Speaker 14: Was you know, you're going to be in special needs.

1346
01:02:52,093 --> 01:02:54,533
Speaker 14: You're stupid. And she was told that from a teacher

1347
01:02:54,773 --> 01:02:58,333
Speaker 14: who which was very disappointing, war Roman sandals and had

1348
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Speaker 14: three colors in a hair, which I struggled with that.

1349
01:03:01,493 --> 01:03:03,453
Speaker 14: But there's thirty two in the class and you're the

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Speaker 14: one on ones. They don't help the kids that are,

1351
01:03:05,733 --> 01:03:07,853
Speaker 14: you know, and that's the difference, and that's what you're

1352
01:03:07,893 --> 01:03:08,253
Speaker 14: paying for.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, cool Morris. I appreciate it. In that situation,

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01:03:11,493 --> 01:03:11,893
Speaker 3: I get it.

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01:03:11,933 --> 01:03:14,253
Speaker 4: If your child is a square peg and a round

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01:03:14,293 --> 01:03:17,293
Speaker 4: hole in the education system, clearly the private is going

1357
01:03:17,333 --> 01:03:19,253
Speaker 4: to be able to accommodate for that learning need for

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Speaker 4: general people.

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01:03:20,333 --> 01:03:21,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, general children.

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Speaker 2: What about this text has come through on the hybrid method.

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Speaker 2: We could not afford a private school, but employed a

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Speaker 2: private math tutor to help for an hour a week.

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Speaker 3: Love you guys, great programs. Thanks Katy, Well, thank you,

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Speaker 3: love you too, Kathy.

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01:03:31,693 --> 01:03:33,773
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's the thing, like you if

1366
01:03:33,813 --> 01:03:36,773
Speaker 2: you just want to like just pump up your pump

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Speaker 2: up your private school with a tutor a lot cheaper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, have you you forked out for any tutors or

1369
01:03:42,813 --> 01:03:43,813
Speaker 4: you've got very clever kids?

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01:03:43,853 --> 01:03:46,653
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I've had tutors with the kids. Yeah,

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01:03:46,733 --> 01:03:49,213
Speaker 2: you know, there's some great tutors around after school.

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Speaker 4: And it's a lot less than fifty six thousand dollars,

1373
01:03:53,733 --> 01:03:54,653
Speaker 4: a lot, a lot less.

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Speaker 2: This text here from Kevin. How about mags my school? Kevin,

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Speaker 2: I've got to say Mount Albert Grammer is a great school.

1376
01:04:01,013 --> 01:04:04,693
Speaker 2: That is a great public school, very well run, fantastic place. Yeah,

1377
01:04:05,013 --> 01:04:06,453
Speaker 2: likely said a lot of kids there.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of a lot of kids there.

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01:04:08,373 --> 01:04:11,053
Speaker 4: Lot of kids looking forward to your stories on O

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Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and your thoughts private

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01:04:14,333 --> 01:04:16,813
Speaker 4: versus public Is it still worth the extra money that

1382
01:04:16,813 --> 01:04:18,613
Speaker 4: you have to pay per year? And if you want

1383
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Speaker 4: to text you more than welcome to nine two nine two.

1384
01:04:21,133 --> 01:04:23,373
Speaker 4: It is twenty two minutes to three.

1385
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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

1386
01:04:27,453 --> 01:04:28,893
Speaker 1: and everything in between.

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01:04:29,133 --> 01:04:30,253
Speaker 6: Matt and Taylor.

1388
01:04:30,013 --> 01:04:33,773
Speaker 1: Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety attention to detail and

1389
01:04:33,853 --> 01:04:35,573
Speaker 1: a commitment to comfort news talks.

1390
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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: It's nineteen to three, having a great discussion about private

1392
01:04:40,693 --> 01:04:41,973
Speaker 4: versus public schooling.

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01:04:42,173 --> 01:04:44,453
Speaker 2: We certainly are tiles. Now I've got a question for

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01:04:44,533 --> 01:04:50,453
Speaker 2: you and the listeners. How many fully registered private school

1395
01:04:50,533 --> 01:04:53,293
Speaker 2: kids do you think there were in New Zealand as

1396
01:04:53,333 --> 01:04:58,213
Speaker 2: of July twenty twenty four? Oh, good question, and total numbers.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to say one hundred thousand.

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01:05:04,133 --> 01:05:07,213
Speaker 2: So far, so far from the truth, there was thirty three,

1399
01:05:07,573 --> 01:05:11,013
Speaker 2: nine hundred and twenty said it so it's pretty pretty exclusive,

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01:05:11,373 --> 01:05:14,973
Speaker 2: very exclusive. So there's there's seven hundred and twenty two

1401
01:05:15,013 --> 01:05:18,733
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four at state schools and ninety eight

1402
01:05:18,773 --> 01:05:20,813
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty four at state integraded schools. So if

1403
01:05:20,813 --> 01:05:22,693
Speaker 2: you're going to send your kids to a private school,

1404
01:05:22,973 --> 01:05:25,933
Speaker 2: they're in a very very select view in the country.

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01:05:26,013 --> 01:05:29,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty elite. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

1406
01:05:29,813 --> 01:05:32,013
Speaker 4: Quick text here before we go back to the phones. Guys,

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Speaker 4: I think it depends on the kid. My friend sent

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01:05:34,333 --> 01:05:36,773
Speaker 4: her children now twenty eight and thirty to private school,

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01:05:36,813 --> 01:05:39,773
Speaker 4: spent thousands, one is currently unemployed, and one is a

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01:05:39,773 --> 01:05:40,493
Speaker 4: flight attendant.

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01:05:41,253 --> 01:05:42,533
Speaker 3: Flight attendant's a good professional.

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01:05:42,573 --> 01:05:47,413
Speaker 4: That certainly is m your thoughts on private versus public schools.

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01:05:48,693 --> 01:05:53,013
Speaker 20: M Hey, oh, yes, hello, hello, Yeah, I've been waiting

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01:05:53,053 --> 01:05:55,893
Speaker 20: for a while, so can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pcha, Yeah.

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01:05:59,093 --> 01:06:02,613
Speaker 20: Well I've been listening to what you guys have been seeing,

1417
01:06:02,653 --> 01:06:06,253
Speaker 20: and we've done exactly that with our daughter. We've we

1418
01:06:06,373 --> 01:06:09,533
Speaker 20: financially stabilized her with the property instead of sending her

1419
01:06:09,573 --> 01:06:12,573
Speaker 20: to a private school. Had a very bad experience with

1420
01:06:12,653 --> 01:06:16,573
Speaker 20: our first one on the first year with the private school.

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01:06:17,333 --> 01:06:20,813
Speaker 20: When we made complaints, we found out that the private

1422
01:06:20,813 --> 01:06:24,813
Speaker 20: schools are not answerable to the Education Review Office or

1423
01:06:24,853 --> 01:06:29,213
Speaker 20: the Ministry of Education because they're a privately run business.

1424
01:06:29,293 --> 01:06:32,693
Speaker 20: And so this is what amazes me. We fund it,

1425
01:06:32,773 --> 01:06:35,093
Speaker 20: but they're not answerable to the taxpayers at all.

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Speaker 3: Right, And.

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Speaker 20: The other thing as well is that we found out

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01:06:40,413 --> 01:06:44,053
Speaker 20: from the twelve students that were in the class, they

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Speaker 20: had asked six of the students to repeat year one

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Speaker 20: because they said that they weren't fully developed in terms

1431
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Speaker 20: of moving on and learning in year two.

1432
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Speaker 3: It was yeah, so my year.

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Speaker 4: Just to confirm in your talking, you're not talking about

1434
01:06:58,693 --> 01:07:00,853
Speaker 4: a high school, Year one would be the first year

1435
01:07:00,893 --> 01:07:02,613
Speaker 4: of school, primary school, five.

1436
01:07:02,733 --> 01:07:05,733
Speaker 20: Year of primary school. Yeah, six out of the twelve

1437
01:07:06,373 --> 01:07:09,293
Speaker 20: that are inside the class. There's twas students in the class,

1438
01:07:09,813 --> 01:07:13,373
Speaker 20: and the teacher is asking for year one students to

1439
01:07:13,453 --> 01:07:14,413
Speaker 20: repeat year one.

1440
01:07:14,853 --> 01:07:15,253
Speaker 3: But do you.

1441
01:07:15,173 --> 01:07:20,613
Speaker 2: Think do you think there was for financial reasons?

1442
01:07:20,813 --> 01:07:23,213
Speaker 20: I mean, I'm like, yeah, and and of course if

1443
01:07:23,253 --> 01:07:25,213
Speaker 20: you make a if you make a complaint to the

1444
01:07:25,213 --> 01:07:29,173
Speaker 20: board or anything. But because they're a private organization, they're

1445
01:07:29,213 --> 01:07:32,333
Speaker 20: only interested in protecting themselves.

1446
01:07:33,213 --> 01:07:36,013
Speaker 4: More scared of parents, you know, because if you're spending

1447
01:07:36,053 --> 01:07:37,093
Speaker 4: that amount of money.

1448
01:07:36,893 --> 01:07:40,853
Speaker 20: Not not not with the private education. They're not with

1449
01:07:40,933 --> 01:07:42,613
Speaker 20: the board of if you make a complaint on a

1450
01:07:42,653 --> 01:07:45,973
Speaker 20: public school, since they are answerable to the Ministry of Education,

1451
01:07:46,013 --> 01:07:50,813
Speaker 20: they're answerable to the to er and everything else that

1452
01:07:51,053 --> 01:07:53,493
Speaker 20: public schools they are worried about where it goes to.

1453
01:07:54,013 --> 01:07:56,613
Speaker 20: But private schools they're not worried because the only place

1454
01:07:56,613 --> 01:07:59,253
Speaker 20: they have to go back is to the board, and

1455
01:07:59,293 --> 01:08:01,413
Speaker 20: the board is of course, you know, they've got their

1456
01:08:01,413 --> 01:08:02,653
Speaker 20: own kids in a private school.

1457
01:08:03,093 --> 01:08:04,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean there are of course the laws

1458
01:08:04,973 --> 01:08:07,933
Speaker 2: of the country and education standards and stuff that are

1459
01:08:08,053 --> 01:08:11,453
Speaker 2: upon them as well. So you could you could, I

1460
01:08:11,453 --> 01:08:14,133
Speaker 2: guess you if it was a major, a major problem,

1461
01:08:14,133 --> 01:08:15,933
Speaker 2: you could go above the school.

1462
01:08:16,372 --> 01:08:18,692
Speaker 3: I imagine, oh.

1463
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Speaker 20: You like you know, we were, we were got to

1464
01:08:21,253 --> 01:08:23,253
Speaker 20: a point where we're gonna we were gonna make up,

1465
01:08:23,492 --> 01:08:26,212
Speaker 20: you know, complain to the police. And then the principal

1466
01:08:26,253 --> 01:08:28,772
Speaker 20: got us in, apologized, and we pulled out our daughter

1467
01:08:28,812 --> 01:08:32,852
Speaker 20: out of the first year and put her into into

1468
01:08:32,893 --> 01:08:35,772
Speaker 20: the public into a public school, and she's from there

1469
01:08:35,772 --> 01:08:38,892
Speaker 20: on in just flourished. We're a wonderful teenager and has

1470
01:08:38,893 --> 01:08:42,053
Speaker 20: accomplished a lot more in public school then she was.

1471
01:08:42,772 --> 01:08:45,412
Speaker 20: Did she ever had the opportunity to you know, yeah,

1472
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Speaker 20: interesting frame.

1473
01:08:47,013 --> 01:08:48,972
Speaker 2: That's that's great to hear him. Thank you for your call.

1474
01:08:49,133 --> 01:08:49,852
Speaker 3: Interesting take.

1475
01:08:49,893 --> 01:08:54,013
Speaker 4: And I understand where Emma's coming from. And clearly that

1476
01:08:54,213 --> 01:08:58,293
Speaker 4: experience was atrocious. And when you're spending that amount of

1477
01:08:58,333 --> 01:09:00,812
Speaker 4: money and you go to the school and say you're

1478
01:09:00,853 --> 01:09:04,012
Speaker 4: not looking after my child and they say, we don't care.

1479
01:09:04,933 --> 01:09:06,253
Speaker 4: But I don't know if that would be the case

1480
01:09:06,253 --> 01:09:08,612
Speaker 4: for most private schools. And I'm not disputing what him

1481
01:09:08,893 --> 01:09:09,532
Speaker 4: was saying there.

1482
01:09:09,812 --> 01:09:12,253
Speaker 2: Well that well, joe En says, this guy's wrong eto

1483
01:09:12,452 --> 01:09:16,293
Speaker 2: review private schools. They receive some government funding. Yeah, so

1484
01:09:16,452 --> 01:09:19,253
Speaker 2: I guess it's yeah, I mean, they want to keep

1485
01:09:19,253 --> 01:09:21,333
Speaker 2: it in. But I've I've got friends with kids at

1486
01:09:21,333 --> 01:09:22,893
Speaker 2: private schools and they say the biggest problem is the

1487
01:09:22,933 --> 01:09:25,253
Speaker 2: amount of communication from the schools. There's way too much

1488
01:09:25,253 --> 01:09:28,412
Speaker 2: communication because because you're paying the money. Yeah, and I

1489
01:09:28,452 --> 01:09:31,092
Speaker 2: think already there's too much communication with parents from schools anyway.

1490
01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:33,612
Speaker 2: There's just so much stuff coming through the system, so many,

1491
01:09:34,013 --> 01:09:37,293
Speaker 2: so many emails, so much stuff too.

1492
01:09:37,372 --> 01:09:41,333
Speaker 4: Muche sort it out, Yeah, just trust trust the process.

1493
01:09:41,333 --> 01:09:44,652
Speaker 2: Maybe people can dispute this with me, but I think

1494
01:09:44,652 --> 01:09:47,253
Speaker 2: in private schools, I've heard it's even worse. You're just

1495
01:09:47,293 --> 01:09:50,612
Speaker 2: getting punished constantly to justify the money coming through so

1496
01:09:50,732 --> 01:09:51,413
Speaker 2: much communication.

1497
01:09:51,572 --> 01:09:53,532
Speaker 4: Love to hear from your on one hundred and eighty

1498
01:09:53,732 --> 01:09:57,452
Speaker 4: ten eighty Scotty, how are you man?

1499
01:09:58,853 --> 01:10:02,013
Speaker 7: There's boys, boys, you've been drinking and toasting with prosecco.

1500
01:10:02,692 --> 01:10:06,692
Speaker 7: Let's talk champagne printed champagne of New Zealand schools. Yeah,

1501
01:10:07,612 --> 01:10:10,093
Speaker 7: let's get away from Let's move away from the hillbillies

1502
01:10:10,133 --> 01:10:15,293
Speaker 7: down at Christ. Money can't buy your ticker. So Christ

1503
01:10:15,572 --> 01:10:17,972
Speaker 7: is good for one thing, and that's every second year

1504
01:10:18,053 --> 01:10:21,932
Speaker 7: getting a Mardy Cup title. But you've touched a bit

1505
01:10:22,013 --> 01:10:25,973
Speaker 7: on the NCAA, Scott NCAA. Let's look at scholarships, the

1506
01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:29,812
Speaker 7: next level up and the school in New Zealand that

1507
01:10:29,973 --> 01:10:32,812
Speaker 7: set the New Zealand record and it held it for

1508
01:10:32,812 --> 01:10:37,173
Speaker 7: the last five years. The state school, west Lake Boys

1509
01:10:37,253 --> 01:10:41,093
Speaker 7: High School, cracked three one hundred and seven scholarships this year.

1510
01:10:41,933 --> 01:10:44,932
Speaker 7: The next closest was on two hundred and thirty.

1511
01:10:45,612 --> 01:10:49,572
Speaker 3: It's cool, not bad Rose either, So they're not bad.

1512
01:10:49,452 --> 01:10:51,972
Speaker 7: Rows and they're well they're number three in the rule

1513
01:10:51,973 --> 01:10:54,133
Speaker 7: at rugby at the moment after winning or coming first

1514
01:10:54,133 --> 01:10:57,812
Speaker 7: in the world rugby. So Tyler Ti first Athene. I

1515
01:10:57,812 --> 01:11:00,652
Speaker 7: mean you guys knocked out christ every year or Christ

1516
01:11:00,732 --> 01:11:02,972
Speaker 7: saw Christy. They can't play rugby down there.

1517
01:11:03,093 --> 01:11:05,652
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan.

1518
01:11:06,973 --> 01:11:07,133
Speaker 15: Here.

1519
01:11:07,173 --> 01:11:08,772
Speaker 2: And if you if you've got a care, that public

1520
01:11:08,772 --> 01:11:11,093
Speaker 2: school competing and support is so good to beat the

1521
01:11:11,133 --> 01:11:11,692
Speaker 2: private school.

1522
01:11:12,173 --> 01:11:14,333
Speaker 3: You love to look at the day and you go,

1523
01:11:14,372 --> 01:11:16,013
Speaker 3: you're paying, you're paying.

1524
01:11:15,732 --> 01:11:20,452
Speaker 7: For this, You're paying for them. And a shout out

1525
01:11:20,452 --> 01:11:23,293
Speaker 7: to the brothers from the White Kid White Kadow Boys High.

1526
01:11:23,372 --> 01:11:26,852
Speaker 7: Probably the best rugby school, Hamilton Boys High, sorry Hamilton

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01:11:27,093 --> 01:11:29,692
Speaker 7: probably the best rugby school in the world. And in

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01:11:29,732 --> 01:11:32,052
Speaker 7: the year that christ or a n O or christ

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01:11:32,173 --> 01:11:35,133
Speaker 7: Church don't win Marty Hemy Boys takes it out, so

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01:11:35,612 --> 01:11:39,932
Speaker 7: state school again. And of course christ Church Boys, I

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01:11:39,933 --> 01:11:43,093
Speaker 7: think the second or third year reigning cricket champions. So

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01:11:43,532 --> 01:11:45,333
Speaker 7: and let's go shout out to our friends on the

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01:11:45,372 --> 01:11:49,532
Speaker 7: East Coast. Yeah for Waker Armor champions as well. So

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01:11:50,093 --> 01:11:53,412
Speaker 7: out of that every second or third year Christ's wins

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01:11:53,492 --> 01:11:55,852
Speaker 7: the Marty Cup and they're paying fifty six grand for that.

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01:11:56,173 --> 01:11:58,293
Speaker 7: And I don't know how many scholarships they've got, but

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01:11:59,213 --> 01:12:01,412
Speaker 7: I doubt where it would be anywhere near one hundred.

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01:12:01,213 --> 01:12:03,293
Speaker 3: And thirty one hundred.

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01:12:03,732 --> 01:12:06,092
Speaker 2: My son, My son won a middle at Marty and

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01:12:06,213 --> 01:12:08,692
Speaker 2: he's out of a public school, so you know that

1541
01:12:09,333 --> 01:12:09,933
Speaker 2: was free for me.

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01:12:10,053 --> 01:12:11,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, public school.

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01:12:13,372 --> 01:12:14,333
Speaker 7: What's called with here.

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01:12:14,293 --> 01:12:16,852
Speaker 3: Is at Megs Well, he was at Megs Max.

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01:12:16,933 --> 01:12:22,133
Speaker 7: Great school, so yeah great first fifteen every comp up

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01:12:22,173 --> 01:12:24,612
Speaker 7: and a yeah rowing may do really well. I got

1547
01:12:24,612 --> 01:12:28,133
Speaker 7: a good rowing scholarship programmers also public all the time.

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01:12:28,173 --> 01:12:31,333
Speaker 7: It's put some money into a mercer unit, trust top

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01:12:31,412 --> 01:12:33,612
Speaker 7: and fifty six greame in a year and watch that

1550
01:12:33,652 --> 01:12:35,892
Speaker 7: over five exactly.

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01:12:35,732 --> 01:12:37,812
Speaker 3: On Scotty, make the truth, You make a lot of sense.

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01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:43,053
Speaker 4: Scotty one eighty eighty is the number to call. We've

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01:12:43,093 --> 01:12:45,172
Speaker 4: got time for a few more phone calls very shortly.

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01:12:45,452 --> 01:12:46,852
Speaker 4: It is eleven to three.

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01:12:47,732 --> 01:12:50,133
Speaker 6: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

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01:12:50,173 --> 01:12:50,812
Speaker 6: along the way.

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01:12:51,013 --> 01:12:54,972
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo xc N eighty Innovation,

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01:12:55,173 --> 01:12:56,213
Speaker 1: Style and Design.

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Speaker 6: Have it all.

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Speaker 3: News talk s Well.

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Speaker 6: There you go.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hello, you listen to news Talk zed B.

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01:13:02,492 --> 01:13:04,812
Speaker 2: We're talking about private schools. That's an interesting point, isn't it.

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01:13:04,812 --> 01:13:06,772
Speaker 2: The fifty six thousand dollars that's we're talking about? How

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01:13:06,812 --> 01:13:10,293
Speaker 2: much as to and a border. A boarding kid to

1566
01:13:10,412 --> 01:13:15,293
Speaker 2: christ College includes boarding, food and all extra curricular curricular activities,

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01:13:15,412 --> 01:13:17,732
Speaker 2: plus after school and weekend care, and no teachers went

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01:13:17,732 --> 01:13:19,732
Speaker 2: on strike. It's worth every cent. That's a very good

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01:13:19,772 --> 01:13:22,612
Speaker 2: point because I was thinking about this with one of

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01:13:22,612 --> 01:13:24,892
Speaker 2: my sons going to a hostel for university. I was thinking,

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01:13:25,133 --> 01:13:26,173
Speaker 2: I save a lot of food.

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01:13:27,133 --> 01:13:29,972
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there were sometimes at Nelson College when

1573
01:13:30,013 --> 01:13:31,852
Speaker 4: we saw what the borders were going to get at lunchtime,

1574
01:13:31,893 --> 01:13:34,293
Speaker 4: and you'd pay five bucks to eat what they eat, and.

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01:13:34,253 --> 01:13:37,612
Speaker 2: It was some good feeding teenagers. That's that's a lot.

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01:13:37,692 --> 01:13:39,612
Speaker 3: That's big. That's big dollars feeding teenager.

1577
01:13:39,652 --> 01:13:42,172
Speaker 4: And when it's all you can eat. Happy days, Hayden,

1578
01:13:42,213 --> 01:13:47,293
Speaker 4: how are you this afternoon? A very good so? Oh

1579
01:13:47,333 --> 01:13:49,012
Speaker 4: you went to both private and public?

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Speaker 12: Yes, So I went to a well known Auckland boarding

1581
01:13:54,933 --> 01:14:00,093
Speaker 12: school and I decided to leave there and attended a

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01:14:00,093 --> 01:14:01,732
Speaker 12: Auckland public school.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 12: It's a very interesting comparison between the two. And I

1585
01:14:08,933 --> 01:14:13,132
Speaker 12: found the education that I was receiving at the private

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01:14:13,173 --> 01:14:17,653
Speaker 12: school to be great, and I was in advanced classes

1587
01:14:17,692 --> 01:14:20,732
Speaker 12: for English, for maths, and something that didn't carry on

1588
01:14:20,772 --> 01:14:25,012
Speaker 12: when I went to public school, where sort of said

1589
01:14:25,013 --> 01:14:26,532
Speaker 12: to me, I will take a back seat since really

1590
01:14:26,572 --> 01:14:28,572
Speaker 12: know this stuff. And wait, we went out sid of

1591
01:14:28,612 --> 01:14:31,532
Speaker 12: catchers up rather than trying to push your head, which

1592
01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:35,772
Speaker 12: you get at the private school. So it's it's probably

1593
01:14:35,772 --> 01:14:38,772
Speaker 12: an exciting depend which public school you go to, because

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01:14:38,772 --> 01:14:40,132
Speaker 12: they're not all created equal.

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01:14:40,333 --> 01:14:42,492
Speaker 3: What age did you swap over from? What age?

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01:14:42,492 --> 01:14:42,612
Speaker 15: Did?

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01:14:43,013 --> 01:14:45,932
Speaker 3: What year did you swap over from private to public? Hayden?

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Speaker 12: Oh, this is going back twenty twenty five years, but

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01:14:49,372 --> 01:14:53,213
Speaker 12: probably I did so I went to deal With school

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01:14:53,253 --> 01:14:57,333
Speaker 12: for boys and so I did the two years at

1601
01:14:57,412 --> 01:15:00,333
Speaker 12: junior school which is your your intermediate years, and then

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01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:05,772
Speaker 12: I did half a year of the third form before

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01:15:05,853 --> 01:15:08,933
Speaker 12: leaving and going to green Bay High School on we

1604
01:15:08,973 --> 01:15:14,892
Speaker 12: Scotland's the time. That wasn't a very great school ahead

1605
01:15:14,893 --> 01:15:17,492
Speaker 12: a bit of reputation, I guess, sort of as one

1606
01:15:17,532 --> 01:15:20,133
Speaker 12: of there's no uniform, call your teacher by their first

1607
01:15:20,213 --> 01:15:21,812
Speaker 12: name for the schools shocking.

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01:15:22,093 --> 01:15:23,572
Speaker 2: I'm not a support of those kind of school.

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01:15:28,173 --> 01:15:33,372
Speaker 3: Was coming to schools. How come you moved that was?

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01:15:33,372 --> 01:15:36,572
Speaker 2: Was that your choice or the family moved or circumstances changed.

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01:15:38,772 --> 01:15:42,892
Speaker 12: I experienced bullying at Dilworth, right, so that was the

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01:15:42,933 --> 01:15:43,612
Speaker 12: reason to move.

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Speaker 7: It was.

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01:15:44,253 --> 01:15:47,013
Speaker 12: It was a great school as far as education, but

1615
01:15:47,333 --> 01:15:51,772
Speaker 12: the whole that school's obviously got problems, right, Yeah, everyone,

1616
01:15:53,213 --> 01:15:57,732
Speaker 12: So some people enjoy it, some people don't. But you know,

1617
01:15:58,013 --> 01:15:59,892
Speaker 12: I definitely think that you're going to get a bit

1618
01:15:59,933 --> 01:16:02,972
Speaker 12: of education at a private school. They definitely foster you a.

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01:16:02,893 --> 01:16:05,372
Speaker 7: Better try and push you, encourage.

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01:16:04,933 --> 01:16:09,452
Speaker 12: Sports and extracurriculum things, you know, so just music and that,

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01:16:09,452 --> 01:16:12,132
Speaker 12: which don't necessarily at a public school.

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01:16:12,333 --> 01:16:14,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you'd expect that, wouldn't you expect? You know,

1623
01:16:14,692 --> 01:16:16,932
Speaker 2: if you're paying for something, then you'd expect to get

1624
01:16:17,013 --> 01:16:17,852
Speaker 2: more for your money.

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01:16:18,492 --> 01:16:19,293
Speaker 3: That's the whole point of it.

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01:16:19,333 --> 01:16:21,933
Speaker 2: But did how was the bullying when you went to

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01:16:22,053 --> 01:16:24,652
Speaker 2: the public school? Did you not experience bullyting? Was that

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01:16:24,452 --> 01:16:25,692
Speaker 2: that problem sorted for you?

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01:16:28,412 --> 01:16:28,652
Speaker 21: Yeah?

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01:16:28,812 --> 01:16:33,572
Speaker 12: I think for the most part, I found my social

1631
01:16:33,612 --> 01:16:35,612
Speaker 12: life got a lot better being at a public school,

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01:16:35,933 --> 01:16:39,253
Speaker 12: and it did at the at the boarding school. But

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01:16:39,293 --> 01:16:43,133
Speaker 12: it's definitely my education slipped. And by halfway through sixth

1634
01:16:43,133 --> 01:16:45,092
Speaker 12: form I was leaving high school to go start working,

1635
01:16:46,652 --> 01:16:48,732
Speaker 12: So I didn't even end up graduating high school, which

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01:16:48,772 --> 01:16:50,812
Speaker 12: I probably would have done, and I stayed at Dilworth.

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01:16:51,732 --> 01:16:52,852
Speaker 3: But is your life pretty good?

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01:16:52,893 --> 01:16:55,213
Speaker 4: Now, Hayden, the fact that you left school to get

1639
01:16:55,253 --> 01:16:57,652
Speaker 4: into work, did that end up paying off?

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01:16:59,612 --> 01:17:00,173
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:17:00,213 --> 01:17:04,532
Speaker 12: I'm doing great now, absolutely fantastic. Yeah, that's student of

1642
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:05,173
Speaker 12: my own hard work.

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01:17:05,572 --> 01:17:06,012
Speaker 7: I regon.

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01:17:06,213 --> 01:17:09,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad it all turn out for you. Hey boys,

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01:17:09,412 --> 01:17:12,093
Speaker 2: this is text on nineteen nine two. Don't underestimate the

1646
01:17:12,093 --> 01:17:14,492
Speaker 2: old boys network that comes out of private schools. The

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01:17:14,532 --> 01:17:17,412
Speaker 2: opportunities this creates are huge.

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01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:18,093
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:17:18,973 --> 01:17:20,852
Speaker 2: I've had no help from the Old Boys Network to

1650
01:17:20,853 --> 01:17:21,492
Speaker 2: get where I am.

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01:17:21,612 --> 01:17:22,452
Speaker 3: No me neither.

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01:17:22,572 --> 01:17:25,093
Speaker 4: I haven't heard anything from Nelson College. I'm marta Ben

1653
01:17:25,173 --> 01:17:26,412
Speaker 4: does that's say more about me.

1654
01:17:27,293 --> 01:17:30,372
Speaker 2: I've never had the Bogan Park High School on Buttz

1655
01:17:30,452 --> 01:17:32,492
Speaker 2: Road and dned and special handshake that's got me a

1656
01:17:32,572 --> 01:17:33,053
Speaker 2: job for.

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01:17:33,053 --> 01:17:37,013
Speaker 4: They having Old Boys Network at Bogan Park. No great discussion,

1658
01:17:37,053 --> 01:17:40,372
Speaker 4: thank you very much, but we are going to change

1659
01:17:40,372 --> 01:17:42,572
Speaker 4: it up after three o'clock and just a reminder at

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01:17:42,612 --> 01:17:45,452
Speaker 4: three point thirty, of course, we've got Gareth abdenor on

1661
01:17:45,812 --> 01:17:49,133
Speaker 4: employment law expert, friend of the show. He will be

1662
01:17:49,173 --> 01:17:52,133
Speaker 4: here to take all your questions about anything going on

1663
01:17:52,173 --> 01:17:54,533
Speaker 4: in your workplace if you're an employee or employer.

1664
01:17:54,973 --> 01:17:56,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, he going to problem then ring up and get

1665
01:17:56,973 --> 01:17:59,612
Speaker 2: some free advice. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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01:17:59,652 --> 01:18:02,093
Speaker 2: a number. Ninety two nine two is the text number.

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01:18:02,013 --> 01:18:04,612
Speaker 4: New Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to

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01:18:04,692 --> 01:18:06,452
Speaker 4: Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

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01:18:08,492 --> 01:18:09,893
Speaker 6: Oh aren't you I need you?

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01:18:10,013 --> 01:18:11,372
Speaker 3: Oh God, A.

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01:18:13,013 --> 01:18:19,692
Speaker 6: Need it is beautiful sees it? Oh, talking with you

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01:18:19,853 --> 01:18:20,653
Speaker 6: all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoon with the Volvo

1674
01:18:24,492 --> 01:18:26,052
Speaker 1: XC ninety News Talk ZB.

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01:18:27,333 --> 01:18:29,532
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you, Welcome back to the show.

1676
01:18:29,572 --> 01:18:32,452
Speaker 4: And just a reminder, in about twenty five minutes time,

1677
01:18:32,532 --> 01:18:35,612
Speaker 4: Gareth Abden, Nor friend of the show and employment lawyer

1678
01:18:35,692 --> 01:18:38,533
Speaker 4: will be on the program taking your calls and questions

1679
01:18:38,572 --> 01:18:40,572
Speaker 4: anything going on in your workplace that you're a bit

1680
01:18:40,652 --> 01:18:43,532
Speaker 4: unsure about, problems with your boss. He is the man

1681
01:18:43,572 --> 01:18:45,612
Speaker 4: to chat to and if you are the boss, he

1682
01:18:45,772 --> 01:18:47,532
Speaker 4: is a great person to check if you having problems

1683
01:18:47,572 --> 01:18:48,252
Speaker 4: with your employee.

1684
01:18:48,333 --> 01:18:50,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And the free advice here in ninety two

1685
01:18:50,692 --> 01:18:53,253
Speaker 2: ninety two over the next half hour and then one

1686
01:18:53,333 --> 01:18:54,932
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty teen eighty when we get to him.

1687
01:18:54,933 --> 01:18:57,492
Speaker 2: There's a few coming through here already. This is a

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01:18:57,492 --> 01:19:00,293
Speaker 2: pretty interesting one about what your boss can say to

1689
01:19:00,293 --> 01:19:03,213
Speaker 2: you if they catch you drinking at a pub and

1690
01:19:03,333 --> 01:19:06,932
Speaker 2: another one about vaping rules and how that affects your lunchtime,

1691
01:19:06,933 --> 01:19:09,293
Speaker 2: so you know, keep those coming through, doesn't matter how

1692
01:19:09,333 --> 01:19:10,253
Speaker 2: small the issue is.

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01:19:10,412 --> 01:19:13,492
Speaker 4: Yep, absolutely nine two ninety two and oh eight hundred

1694
01:19:13,492 --> 01:19:15,452
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty. It pays again in early because

1695
01:19:15,452 --> 01:19:18,333
Speaker 4: it's always a very popular segment. But right now, let's

1696
01:19:18,372 --> 01:19:20,852
Speaker 4: have a chat about kmart products. This is on the

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01:19:20,853 --> 01:19:24,653
Speaker 4: back of a woman who bought a mop from Kmart

1698
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:28,333
Speaker 4: and she wants answers after the handle came off this

1699
01:19:28,372 --> 01:19:32,372
Speaker 4: particular mop and she managed somehow to stab herself in

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01:19:32,412 --> 01:19:36,372
Speaker 4: the leg. This woman is from Canterbury. Her name is

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01:19:36,412 --> 01:19:39,933
Speaker 4: Sophie Andrews, and she said she was bewildered when she

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01:19:40,093 --> 01:19:43,092
Speaker 4: ran Kmart and said the problem happened with this particular mop,

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01:19:43,213 --> 01:19:45,692
Speaker 4: and the company concluded that there was no risk to

1704
01:19:45,812 --> 01:19:49,412
Speaker 4: users given the store staff had lost the mop in

1705
01:19:49,492 --> 01:19:51,573
Speaker 4: question and could not assess it themselves.

1706
01:19:52,093 --> 01:19:55,412
Speaker 3: But that is pay a minute. What happened with them?

1707
01:19:55,412 --> 01:19:56,133
Speaker 2: What they lost it?

1708
01:19:56,812 --> 01:19:59,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's taken the mop back to Kmart's for them

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01:19:59,372 --> 01:20:02,732
Speaker 4: to investigate in quotation marks and then they lost the

1710
01:20:02,772 --> 01:20:07,333
Speaker 4: mop somehow, I mean, is that just language for we

1711
01:20:07,412 --> 01:20:08,053
Speaker 4: checked it in the bin.

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01:20:09,893 --> 01:20:14,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but did they give her a money back

1713
01:20:14,053 --> 01:20:14,372
Speaker 2: on it?

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01:20:14,652 --> 01:20:15,333
Speaker 3: I imagine?

1715
01:20:15,253 --> 01:20:17,293
Speaker 4: So, I don't know if it actually says in this

1716
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,652
Speaker 4: particular article whether she got her money back because she

1717
01:20:19,692 --> 01:20:22,293
Speaker 4: wanted more. She wanted them to take this product right

1718
01:20:22,333 --> 01:20:25,853
Speaker 4: off the shelves completely. She hazard to New Zealanders.

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01:20:25,933 --> 01:20:28,412
Speaker 2: So it snapped and stabbed her in the leg, yeah,

1720
01:20:28,612 --> 01:20:30,333
Speaker 2: or the or the handle came off and stabbed her

1721
01:20:30,333 --> 01:20:31,652
Speaker 2: in the leg. I've seen the picture of it. Looks

1722
01:20:31,652 --> 01:20:33,212
Speaker 2: like a reasonably serious injury.

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01:20:33,772 --> 01:20:36,293
Speaker 3: But as that, just use it ERA, Definitely use it ERA.

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01:20:36,532 --> 01:20:37,173
Speaker 3: How the heck to you?

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01:20:37,412 --> 01:20:37,572
Speaker 18: Look?

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01:20:37,572 --> 01:20:39,852
Speaker 4: I'm sorry Sophie if you're offended by this, but how

1727
01:20:39,853 --> 01:20:42,053
Speaker 4: the heck do you stab yourself in the leg with

1728
01:20:42,213 --> 01:20:44,333
Speaker 4: a mop when the handle comes off and that's an

1729
01:20:44,452 --> 01:20:45,492
Speaker 4: aggressive moppy?

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01:20:45,812 --> 01:20:46,012
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:20:46,133 --> 01:20:48,892
Speaker 2: Right, so you think she was just mopping super hard.

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01:20:49,093 --> 01:20:51,372
Speaker 2: I can sort of imagine that you're mopping a pace

1733
01:20:51,492 --> 01:20:56,213
Speaker 2: towards and you hit like a wall on a low angle.

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01:20:56,412 --> 01:20:58,572
Speaker 4: It comes off, so you're getting a running star with

1735
01:20:58,652 --> 01:21:00,452
Speaker 4: your mop to try and just get it done as

1736
01:21:00,452 --> 01:21:02,532
Speaker 4: fast as possible, and you're you're a had a sprint,

1737
01:21:02,812 --> 01:21:03,652
Speaker 4: then you had a war wind.

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01:21:03,853 --> 01:21:06,572
Speaker 2: We should should you expect if you spend thirty dollars

1739
01:21:06,612 --> 01:21:08,852
Speaker 2: for a mop that it can handle that kind of

1740
01:21:08,933 --> 01:21:09,732
Speaker 2: vigorous mopping.

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01:21:10,372 --> 01:21:12,333
Speaker 4: Well, that is the question that we're going to throw

1742
01:21:12,333 --> 01:21:14,652
Speaker 4: out there right now. So this aside, and as I

1743
01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:17,093
Speaker 4: said to you, I've actually got this exact mop. I

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01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:19,452
Speaker 4: bought it on the weekend. It's a good mop so far.

1745
01:21:19,572 --> 01:21:22,572
Speaker 4: It's retained its handle, yep. So I'm going to go

1746
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:23,812
Speaker 4: back and do some vigorous mopping.

1747
01:21:23,973 --> 01:21:25,892
Speaker 3: So you got it. You got it this weekend? Got

1748
01:21:25,933 --> 01:21:28,412
Speaker 3: it this weekend? How many times have you mopped with it? Twice?

1749
01:21:28,532 --> 01:21:29,933
Speaker 3: And how many times has the handle come off and

1750
01:21:29,973 --> 01:21:30,732
Speaker 3: stabbed you in the leg?

1751
01:21:30,973 --> 01:21:31,253
Speaker 21: Zero?

1752
01:21:31,692 --> 01:21:33,652
Speaker 3: Funnily enough, So it's a good.

1753
01:21:33,492 --> 01:21:34,133
Speaker 4: Mop so far.

1754
01:21:34,532 --> 01:21:37,292
Speaker 2: So is this a caveat impdor kind of situation?

1755
01:21:37,933 --> 01:21:38,093
Speaker 13: You know?

1756
01:21:38,173 --> 01:21:39,612
Speaker 3: Buyer beware? I think it is.

1757
01:21:39,732 --> 01:21:41,732
Speaker 2: So if you buy a thirty dollar mop, what do

1758
01:21:41,772 --> 01:21:44,452
Speaker 2: you expect from that thirty dollar mop? Thirty dollars doesn't

1759
01:21:44,452 --> 01:21:47,173
Speaker 2: seem like a lot from mop for me. Yeah, I

1760
01:21:47,173 --> 01:21:49,412
Speaker 2: think if I bought spend thirty dollars on a mop,

1761
01:21:49,412 --> 01:21:51,652
Speaker 2: I'd expect the handle to come off at some point

1762
01:21:51,692 --> 01:21:54,732
Speaker 2: in the first three to six months of usage.

1763
01:21:54,853 --> 01:21:56,692
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that is The question we're going to put

1764
01:21:56,692 --> 01:21:58,892
Speaker 4: to you right now is that the case these are

1765
01:21:58,893 --> 01:22:02,173
Speaker 4: called Enco products. It's the Kmart sort of budget version

1766
01:22:02,253 --> 01:22:04,452
Speaker 4: of a product, and a lot of people have got

1767
01:22:04,492 --> 01:22:07,612
Speaker 4: no problem with Enco. The price is right and quite

1768
01:22:07,652 --> 01:22:11,173
Speaker 4: often the quality is not too bad. But is that

1769
01:22:11,293 --> 01:22:14,053
Speaker 4: the deal? When you buy a mop or anything else

1770
01:22:14,093 --> 01:22:16,053
Speaker 4: from the likes of Kmart, you know it's going to

1771
01:22:16,093 --> 01:22:18,253
Speaker 4: be cheap, and you've got to expect that if it

1772
01:22:18,293 --> 01:22:20,333
Speaker 4: does break. That was just a roll of the dice.

1773
01:22:20,372 --> 01:22:23,212
Speaker 4: You took a gamble. We you all know that sometimes

1774
01:22:23,293 --> 01:22:25,052
Speaker 4: it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

1775
01:22:25,173 --> 01:22:25,772
Speaker 3: That's the deal.

1776
01:22:25,893 --> 01:22:28,732
Speaker 2: But maybe that's the most expensive mop she can buy.

1777
01:22:28,853 --> 01:22:31,132
Speaker 2: So if all you can do you need a mop? Yeah,

1778
01:22:31,253 --> 01:22:35,572
Speaker 2: for mopping, and you've only got thirty bucks, So shouldn't

1779
01:22:35,572 --> 01:22:38,293
Speaker 2: you expect something that says it's a mop to be

1780
01:22:38,333 --> 01:22:41,532
Speaker 2: able to handle the mop the job it's it's supposed

1781
01:22:41,572 --> 01:22:41,772
Speaker 2: to do.

1782
01:22:41,973 --> 01:22:44,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know me, I like a bargain. I actually

1783
01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:47,213
Speaker 4: thought that was on the upper side of I've seen

1784
01:22:47,253 --> 01:22:49,372
Speaker 4: thirty It was thirty five bucks for that mop. It's

1785
01:22:49,412 --> 01:22:52,132
Speaker 4: a three to one bucket. It's quite a clever wee contraption.

1786
01:22:52,853 --> 01:22:54,412
Speaker 4: I don't want to try and sell this mop too

1787
01:22:54,452 --> 01:22:55,052
Speaker 4: much in cause.

1788
01:22:54,933 --> 01:22:55,572
Speaker 3: It hurts people.

1789
01:22:55,772 --> 01:22:58,532
Speaker 4: But I thought thirty five bucks for a Kmart mop?

1790
01:22:58,572 --> 01:23:00,213
Speaker 4: I mean, what happened to just going down and get

1791
01:23:00,253 --> 01:23:01,892
Speaker 4: intend on a mop? It doesn't do anything. You don't

1792
01:23:01,893 --> 01:23:03,213
Speaker 4: put betteries in it, you don't plug it in.

1793
01:23:03,253 --> 01:23:03,772
Speaker 3: It's just a mop.

1794
01:23:03,853 --> 01:23:05,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the handle has to be strong enough to

1795
01:23:05,572 --> 01:23:07,973
Speaker 2: handle the job part in the punt. Yeah, it's got

1796
01:23:08,013 --> 01:23:10,732
Speaker 2: to be able to handle what it's what its job

1797
01:23:10,772 --> 01:23:11,053
Speaker 2: it is.

1798
01:23:12,293 --> 01:23:13,173
Speaker 3: I don't know for.

1799
01:23:13,173 --> 01:23:14,812
Speaker 4: Thirty five bucks though, I mean, how much did you

1800
01:23:14,812 --> 01:23:16,812
Speaker 4: pay for your mop? Have you got a proper steam mop?

1801
01:23:16,893 --> 01:23:20,053
Speaker 4: Or is it just your regular old elbow grease push it.

1802
01:23:20,293 --> 01:23:21,492
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've got a mop?

1803
01:23:21,532 --> 01:23:23,532
Speaker 4: What do you mean you don't have a mop? Do

1804
01:23:23,572 --> 01:23:24,812
Speaker 4: you not have tile flows?

1805
01:23:24,812 --> 01:23:26,692
Speaker 3: What are you eving? Well, you got carpet in the kitchen,

1806
01:23:27,133 --> 01:23:28,412
Speaker 3: Well clean's got a mop.

1807
01:23:30,093 --> 01:23:33,372
Speaker 4: She got a Kmart mop. We might flicker a t

1808
01:23:33,652 --> 01:23:37,612
Speaker 4: air break, but oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If

1809
01:23:37,652 --> 01:23:40,812
Speaker 4: you buy things from Kmart, is it kind of expected

1810
01:23:40,812 --> 01:23:43,732
Speaker 4: that if it breaks or something doesn't quite work, you

1811
01:23:43,772 --> 01:23:45,213
Speaker 4: know the deal because you're paid.

1812
01:23:45,532 --> 01:23:46,572
Speaker 3: You've got it for a good price.

1813
01:23:46,652 --> 01:23:49,333
Speaker 4: Love to hear from you caveat in tour as they say, yeah,

1814
01:23:49,452 --> 01:23:51,772
Speaker 4: oh youre Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1815
01:23:51,812 --> 01:23:54,812
Speaker 4: number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text

1816
01:23:54,933 --> 01:23:56,372
Speaker 4: number of some great ticks coming through.

1817
01:23:56,412 --> 01:23:57,213
Speaker 3: Oh look we've got it.

1818
01:23:57,253 --> 01:23:58,973
Speaker 2: Someone that works at kmart that's going to give us

1819
01:23:58,973 --> 01:24:02,412
Speaker 2: the full, full story in the background.

1820
01:24:02,053 --> 01:24:03,652
Speaker 3: Here, fantastic, This is going to be good.

1821
01:24:03,732 --> 01:24:07,812
Speaker 4: It is twelve pass three, good afternoon, it's a quarter

1822
01:24:07,853 --> 01:24:08,293
Speaker 4: pass through.

1823
01:24:08,492 --> 01:24:08,932
Speaker 3: Is a buyer.

1824
01:24:08,973 --> 01:24:11,452
Speaker 4: But where when you buy enco products from kmart and

1825
01:24:11,452 --> 01:24:13,692
Speaker 4: they fall to pieces or as is the case in

1826
01:24:13,732 --> 01:24:16,652
Speaker 4: this particular story, in the world, the handle comes off

1827
01:24:16,652 --> 01:24:18,492
Speaker 4: the mop and you end up stabbing yourself on the

1828
01:24:18,492 --> 01:24:19,253
Speaker 4: thigh and having to take a.

1829
01:24:19,253 --> 01:24:20,053
Speaker 3: Week off work. Yeah.

1830
01:24:20,053 --> 01:24:22,213
Speaker 2: In k MAT's defense, they when she talked to them, they

1831
01:24:22,213 --> 01:24:23,933
Speaker 2: told them that they had been unable to test the

1832
01:24:23,973 --> 01:24:26,692
Speaker 2: mop that I took back to the shop as that

1833
01:24:26,772 --> 01:24:28,532
Speaker 2: had been misplaced.

1834
01:24:28,173 --> 01:24:28,652
Speaker 3: She claimed.

1835
01:24:28,652 --> 01:24:30,732
Speaker 2: Instead, they told her that they had tested other mops

1836
01:24:30,812 --> 01:24:34,212
Speaker 2: of the same type and had not found an issue.

1837
01:24:34,692 --> 01:24:36,692
Speaker 3: So she thinks those mops are just ready to go

1838
01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:40,133
Speaker 3: explodes off them and they stab you on the leg.

1839
01:24:40,213 --> 01:24:42,372
Speaker 4: Yep, they're ready to take out any new Zealander that

1840
01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:44,492
Speaker 4: DearS try to mop with them. O E one hundred

1841
01:24:44,532 --> 01:24:46,173
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. But

1842
01:24:46,213 --> 01:24:48,173
Speaker 4: if you do buy a Kmart product, and we all

1843
01:24:48,213 --> 01:24:50,013
Speaker 4: know that, you go to Kmart because the price is

1844
01:24:50,093 --> 01:24:53,532
Speaker 4: right and sometimes it's gonna break, do you just accept

1845
01:24:53,532 --> 01:24:55,333
Speaker 4: that or are you one of those people that say, nah,

1846
01:24:55,452 --> 01:24:56,892
Speaker 4: I'm going to take it back to Kmart and get

1847
01:24:56,893 --> 01:24:57,333
Speaker 4: a refund.

1848
01:24:58,173 --> 01:25:00,732
Speaker 2: Gary, you work at kmart, what do you.

1849
01:25:00,732 --> 01:25:01,452
Speaker 3: Think about people?

1850
01:25:01,452 --> 01:25:05,893
Speaker 22: I work on the door, I scan the receipts. Oh yes, fantastic,

1851
01:25:06,053 --> 01:25:10,293
Speaker 22: fantastic place to work, yep. Which unfortunately the public you

1852
01:25:10,372 --> 01:25:14,293
Speaker 22: see a different story, different side of people in retail,

1853
01:25:14,492 --> 01:25:18,173
Speaker 22: and I can tell you the public are her disgrace

1854
01:25:20,692 --> 01:25:23,093
Speaker 22: if you have a like that lady in question you're

1855
01:25:23,133 --> 01:25:25,452
Speaker 22: talking about. If you have a product, then it breaks.

1856
01:25:25,452 --> 01:25:29,333
Speaker 22: As long as you've got your receipt or proof of purchase,

1857
01:25:30,013 --> 01:25:32,372
Speaker 22: you can take it back and get your money back,

1858
01:25:32,612 --> 01:25:37,052
Speaker 22: or exchange it for another product of the same value.

1859
01:25:37,933 --> 01:25:42,692
Speaker 22: If you don't have your receipt, which sometimes customers throw

1860
01:25:42,772 --> 01:25:45,692
Speaker 22: the receipts at me because they can't be bothered. Just

1861
01:25:45,853 --> 01:25:49,652
Speaker 22: letting me scan the ticket takes about two seconds. Your

1862
01:25:49,652 --> 01:25:52,772
Speaker 22: money back. Well, I could tell you some great stories,

1863
01:25:52,812 --> 01:25:55,412
Speaker 22: but you don't get your money back. Like I've had

1864
01:25:55,412 --> 01:25:59,052
Speaker 22: a couple of customers throw their receipts at me because

1865
01:25:59,093 --> 01:26:02,293
Speaker 22: they can't be bothered just letting the machine scan the ticket.

1866
01:26:02,492 --> 01:26:04,932
Speaker 2: So they just throw the receipts at you.

1867
01:26:05,532 --> 01:26:07,372
Speaker 22: Yeah, walk out the door and say I can't be

1868
01:26:07,412 --> 01:26:10,892
Speaker 22: bothered with They think, yeah, well, as I just said

1869
01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:13,692
Speaker 22: to you, mate, that's that's the mentality of the public.

1870
01:26:14,253 --> 01:26:15,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

1871
01:26:15,333 --> 01:26:17,933
Speaker 2: I was once walking out of Kmart, Gary and I

1872
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:19,972
Speaker 2: had a bunch of staff and I was on the phone.

1873
01:26:19,973 --> 01:26:23,612
Speaker 2: I was in a complicated phone call and I went

1874
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:27,133
Speaker 2: to the door and I hadn't paid for something because

1875
01:26:27,133 --> 01:26:30,213
Speaker 2: I was confused, and the receipt person was so so

1876
01:26:30,333 --> 01:26:33,213
Speaker 2: good they didn't immediately rest me in an arm lock.

1877
01:26:33,293 --> 01:26:35,772
Speaker 2: They said, oh no, you no, no, you haven't paid

1878
01:26:35,772 --> 01:26:37,293
Speaker 2: for that, And they took me back and made me

1879
01:26:37,333 --> 01:26:38,932
Speaker 2: pay for my energy drink.

1880
01:26:39,452 --> 01:26:41,972
Speaker 3: So I've got a very good I've had a very.

1881
01:26:41,933 --> 01:26:45,213
Speaker 2: Good relationship with you people that tech checked. The receipts that.

1882
01:26:45,492 --> 01:26:46,092
Speaker 3: Came up.

1883
01:26:48,933 --> 01:26:52,973
Speaker 22: Ninety nine points percent of the red of the customers

1884
01:26:53,013 --> 01:26:56,412
Speaker 22: are fantastic. It's the one percent that ruined it for

1885
01:26:56,492 --> 01:26:58,852
Speaker 22: everyone else, Yeah.

1886
01:26:58,173 --> 01:27:00,732
Speaker 4: What's the return policy? Like Gary, I know you're you're

1887
01:27:00,772 --> 01:27:03,572
Speaker 4: not a spokesperson for the company, but I imagine there's not

1888
01:27:03,692 --> 01:27:06,213
Speaker 4: too many questions asked. Have you come in and the

1889
01:27:06,253 --> 01:27:09,772
Speaker 4: handles come off your mop. It's not like going to question, Hey,

1890
01:27:10,093 --> 01:27:10,692
Speaker 4: a lot of us.

1891
01:27:10,612 --> 01:27:14,173
Speaker 22: You've got proof of purchase or you know, even on

1892
01:27:14,213 --> 01:27:16,852
Speaker 22: your phone or when you pay payway, well pay on

1893
01:27:16,893 --> 01:27:19,932
Speaker 22: your phone or your receipt. Like I'm on the door,

1894
01:27:20,013 --> 01:27:22,453
Speaker 22: I won't say what store I work in. In New Zealand,

1895
01:27:22,732 --> 01:27:25,492
Speaker 22: I always most of the time, I will say to

1896
01:27:25,572 --> 01:27:28,852
Speaker 22: the customer, please keep your receipt, because if you do

1897
01:27:28,933 --> 01:27:31,932
Speaker 22: not have your receipt, you can't get your money back. Obviously,

1898
01:27:31,933 --> 01:27:33,692
Speaker 22: I'm not going to worry about a can of coke

1899
01:27:33,893 --> 01:27:36,133
Speaker 22: or boil a drink or a bag of lollies. But

1900
01:27:36,173 --> 01:27:42,492
Speaker 22: other customer's got a twenty or thirty dollars product. I say,

1901
01:27:42,572 --> 01:27:44,732
Speaker 22: make sure you keep your receipt just in case there's

1902
01:27:44,772 --> 01:27:47,732
Speaker 22: something wrong. Or they buy a bike. You know, bike's

1903
01:27:47,772 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 22: a bike. You know you take the buyer home and

1904
01:27:51,333 --> 01:27:55,532
Speaker 22: there's something wrong and you've chucked your receipt away. You know, well,

1905
01:27:55,612 --> 01:27:56,812
Speaker 22: you're not going to get your money back.

1906
01:27:56,973 --> 01:27:59,333
Speaker 2: So even if you bring back a product that is

1907
01:27:59,412 --> 01:28:02,093
Speaker 2: only for sale at kmart, like it sounds like this

1908
01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:05,652
Speaker 2: three and one moppers, If you bring that back so came.

1909
01:28:05,452 --> 01:28:07,093
Speaker 3: Out, we have to know that we've got it from

1910
01:28:07,173 --> 01:28:07,852
Speaker 3: and it's broken.

1911
01:28:07,973 --> 01:28:11,812
Speaker 22: Ye, as long as you've got your receipt.

1912
01:28:12,133 --> 01:28:14,732
Speaker 2: So isn't it having the actual three and one mop

1913
01:28:14,772 --> 01:28:18,492
Speaker 2: that's only for sale at kmart enough proof for purchase

1914
01:28:18,572 --> 01:28:19,492
Speaker 2: that he got it from the shop.

1915
01:28:20,293 --> 01:28:21,933
Speaker 22: As long as they could prove it they bought it

1916
01:28:21,933 --> 01:28:25,133
Speaker 22: at the shop, you get an exchange or you get

1917
01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:25,652
Speaker 22: your money back.

1918
01:28:26,253 --> 01:28:26,452
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1919
01:28:26,812 --> 01:28:27,973
Speaker 4: So it's a good mop though, wasn't it?

1920
01:28:27,973 --> 01:28:28,213
Speaker 3: Gary?

1921
01:28:28,213 --> 01:28:30,053
Speaker 4: I don't know if you must be aware of the

1922
01:28:30,053 --> 01:28:34,612
Speaker 4: three month mopping? All right, okay, go have a look

1923
01:28:34,652 --> 01:28:36,972
Speaker 4: next time you're in store and you're not on the clock.

1924
01:28:37,013 --> 01:28:40,852
Speaker 3: It's a good mop, car, good chat, Thank you for

1925
01:28:40,933 --> 01:28:41,412
Speaker 3: your call.

1926
01:28:41,692 --> 01:28:45,133
Speaker 4: Have you ever taken anything back if you purchased from

1927
01:28:45,173 --> 01:28:47,133
Speaker 4: the likes of came out and clearly you've shopped it

1928
01:28:47,133 --> 01:28:49,933
Speaker 4: came up before, let's say the warehouse. You know the

1929
01:28:49,973 --> 01:28:53,013
Speaker 4: price is right and you pay for the quality that

1930
01:28:53,053 --> 01:28:56,213
Speaker 4: you get. Have you ever taken something back and saying hey,

1931
01:28:56,293 --> 01:28:58,412
Speaker 4: this is broken, I haven't even used it.

1932
01:28:58,452 --> 01:29:00,612
Speaker 3: And I want my money back. I haven't actually, no

1933
01:29:01,452 --> 01:29:02,173
Speaker 3: me neither neither.

1934
01:29:02,253 --> 01:29:04,133
Speaker 4: I've never done that because I've accepted that if I'm

1935
01:29:04,173 --> 01:29:06,692
Speaker 4: paying ten dollars for a toaster, I know that if

1936
01:29:06,692 --> 01:29:09,213
Speaker 4: it breaks. That was just the role the dice. I

1937
01:29:09,293 --> 01:29:11,652
Speaker 4: knew I was taking a gamble. It was either going

1938
01:29:11,692 --> 01:29:14,652
Speaker 4: to be fantastic or it was going to be crapped.

1939
01:29:14,853 --> 01:29:16,892
Speaker 2: I don't tame things back, but not for any sort

1940
01:29:16,933 --> 01:29:19,852
Speaker 2: of moral reason or because I believe whatever you're saying there.

1941
01:29:19,893 --> 01:29:20,732
Speaker 3: It's just because I'm lazy.

1942
01:29:20,973 --> 01:29:22,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if something breaks, I throw it in the

1943
01:29:22,412 --> 01:29:23,452
Speaker 2: rubbish and get another one.

1944
01:29:23,853 --> 01:29:26,333
Speaker 3: You know, but I have been annoyed.

1945
01:29:26,333 --> 01:29:28,892
Speaker 2: There's nothing that annoys you more is when you spend

1946
01:29:28,933 --> 01:29:31,093
Speaker 2: the extra money on something and it's supposed to be

1947
01:29:31,093 --> 01:29:32,732
Speaker 2: the really good one and then it's rubbish.

1948
01:29:33,253 --> 01:29:35,492
Speaker 3: That that is very, very annoying.

1949
01:29:35,612 --> 01:29:38,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even then I don't take it back. Someone

1950
01:29:38,893 --> 01:29:41,253
Speaker 2: here says, hey, guys, this is covered by the consumer

1951
01:29:41,293 --> 01:29:44,253
Speaker 2: Guarantee and must be fit for purpose. Thanks Grant. So

1952
01:29:44,652 --> 01:29:46,293
Speaker 2: you've got this mop though that she's talking about the

1953
01:29:46,293 --> 01:29:47,572
Speaker 2: three and what do you mean by three and one?

1954
01:29:47,612 --> 01:29:49,572
Speaker 2: It's got a bucket, it's got a mop. What's that

1955
01:29:49,692 --> 01:29:50,133
Speaker 2: third thing.

1956
01:29:50,253 --> 01:29:51,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, so one of those, the three and one is

1957
01:29:51,973 --> 01:29:54,492
Speaker 4: in the bucket so well. Actually, the mop itself can

1958
01:29:54,532 --> 01:29:56,412
Speaker 4: turn around three hundred and sixty degrees, so it's kind

1959
01:29:56,412 --> 01:29:58,532
Speaker 4: of square shapes. It gets right into the corners that

1960
01:29:58,692 --> 01:30:01,213
Speaker 4: you can't get into with a traditional mop. But then

1961
01:30:01,293 --> 01:30:04,372
Speaker 4: you've got three compartments in the bucket. So one of

1962
01:30:04,372 --> 01:30:06,732
Speaker 4: the compartments is for the fresh water, one is for

1963
01:30:06,772 --> 01:30:09,892
Speaker 4: your cleaning fluid, and the other for the waste water

1964
01:30:10,013 --> 01:30:13,372
Speaker 4: once you clean the mop. I mean, it's beautifully desire.

1965
01:30:13,933 --> 01:30:16,972
Speaker 3: That's brilliant and you stand by it.

1966
01:30:17,293 --> 01:30:19,892
Speaker 4: Well, yes, so far with it twice. But let's see

1967
01:30:19,893 --> 01:30:21,013
Speaker 4: what happens with the handle.

1968
01:30:20,933 --> 01:30:23,372
Speaker 2: This Texas is why do Camart have their self service

1969
01:30:23,412 --> 01:30:25,652
Speaker 2: tills inside the store? Then you have to prove that

1970
01:30:25,692 --> 01:30:27,932
Speaker 2: you've bought the product as you leave, So not only

1971
01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:29,892
Speaker 2: do you have to do their job, you then have

1972
01:30:29,973 --> 01:30:33,293
Speaker 2: to prove you've done it, move the tills and offer

1973
01:30:33,333 --> 01:30:33,972
Speaker 2: service back.

1974
01:30:34,452 --> 01:30:36,612
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I do.

1975
01:30:35,812 --> 01:30:39,732
Speaker 2: I hate self service at anywhere, you know, I go

1976
01:30:39,772 --> 01:30:41,652
Speaker 2: to Kmart. I don't have a problem with Kmart, but

1977
01:30:41,772 --> 01:30:44,692
Speaker 2: I hate self service. It just feels dirty, It just

1978
01:30:44,732 --> 01:30:47,173
Speaker 2: feels it just feels like your money is just being

1979
01:30:47,253 --> 01:30:50,572
Speaker 2: removed from you. And I know a lot of companies

1980
01:30:50,572 --> 01:30:54,053
Speaker 2: are moving away from self service because of theft, and

1981
01:30:54,652 --> 01:30:57,052
Speaker 2: you know, you have to hire someone to check the receipts,

1982
01:30:57,133 --> 01:31:00,692
Speaker 2: and there's there's a lot of software updates and there's

1983
01:31:00,732 --> 01:31:05,692
Speaker 2: complexities around it. But also you quickly lose You don't

1984
01:31:05,732 --> 01:31:08,333
Speaker 2: really have any what's the wood loyalty to a brand,

1985
01:31:08,612 --> 01:31:12,492
Speaker 2: you haven't talked to anyone's there's no interaction.

1986
01:31:12,333 --> 01:31:14,333
Speaker 4: And it's the wild West at those km Art self

1987
01:31:14,333 --> 01:31:18,452
Speaker 4: service checkouts is horrendous and nothing against Kmart. All the workers,

1988
01:31:18,452 --> 01:31:20,013
Speaker 4: you guys are doing God's work there.

1989
01:31:20,053 --> 01:31:20,692
Speaker 3: It's the public.

1990
01:31:20,812 --> 01:31:24,052
Speaker 4: Like Gary just said, I mean it's crazy town in Kmart.

1991
01:31:24,053 --> 01:31:26,772
Speaker 2: It does it feels dirty? Yeah, I feel dirty going through.

1992
01:31:26,812 --> 01:31:28,492
Speaker 2: I don't know, not dirty is not the word. I

1993
01:31:28,572 --> 01:31:30,852
Speaker 2: just feel there's no there's no experience.

1994
01:31:31,013 --> 01:31:32,932
Speaker 3: You yourself just go and pick.

1995
01:31:32,853 --> 01:31:35,412
Speaker 2: Something up off the floor, take it to the counter,

1996
01:31:35,893 --> 01:31:39,053
Speaker 2: swipe it and then sort of slunk off with your

1997
01:31:39,093 --> 01:31:40,052
Speaker 2: towel between your legs.

1998
01:31:40,093 --> 01:31:41,253
Speaker 3: Do you know? What does my head?

1999
01:31:41,253 --> 01:31:43,652
Speaker 4: And when I go shop at Kmart, is I you

2000
01:31:43,692 --> 01:31:46,452
Speaker 4: know I might be looking for some towels or some

2001
01:31:46,572 --> 01:31:52,253
Speaker 4: crockery or some kitchen implements, and people just if they

2002
01:31:52,293 --> 01:31:54,452
Speaker 4: decide they don't want the product, they don't take it

2003
01:31:54,452 --> 01:31:56,293
Speaker 4: back to where it needs to go. They just drop

2004
01:31:56,333 --> 01:31:59,532
Speaker 4: it any old where if you come across there. So

2005
01:31:59,532 --> 01:32:01,372
Speaker 4: if you actually want to try and find the product,

2006
01:32:01,412 --> 01:32:04,772
Speaker 4: good luck, because all these all these muppets and kmart

2007
01:32:04,812 --> 01:32:06,652
Speaker 4: who are doing their shopping just drop it all over there,

2008
01:32:07,133 --> 01:32:07,853
Speaker 4: more stuff.

2009
01:32:07,692 --> 01:32:10,213
Speaker 2: And you can't go you have anything in the size

2010
01:32:10,213 --> 01:32:13,253
Speaker 2: out the back? Do you say that to to a machine? Hey,

2011
01:32:13,293 --> 01:32:15,412
Speaker 2: this six says never allowed km maut or Buntings to

2012
01:32:15,452 --> 01:32:18,213
Speaker 2: scan your receipts. Once you have paid for it, the

2013
01:32:18,213 --> 01:32:20,452
Speaker 2: products are yours and you have no legal obligation to

2014
01:32:20,492 --> 01:32:23,092
Speaker 2: prove it. It's their own problem to prove otherwise door

2015
01:32:23,853 --> 01:32:27,333
Speaker 2: their self service only checkouts. That's a good point. Actually,

2016
01:32:27,372 --> 01:32:30,732
Speaker 2: So if I've paid for something, right, yeah, then it's mine,

2017
01:32:31,173 --> 01:32:33,013
Speaker 2: so don't ask me about it. You might as well

2018
01:32:33,053 --> 01:32:34,253
Speaker 2: come up to me on the street and ask me

2019
01:32:34,253 --> 01:32:34,612
Speaker 2: about it.

2020
01:32:34,612 --> 01:32:36,612
Speaker 3: But don't you have to prove it with your receipt? No,

2021
01:32:36,692 --> 01:32:38,173
Speaker 3: but it's mine.

2022
01:32:38,732 --> 01:32:40,732
Speaker 2: So by that same logic, they could say prove that

2023
01:32:40,772 --> 01:32:44,293
Speaker 2: those pants are yours, they're mine. They're my pants as

2024
01:32:44,333 --> 01:32:46,052
Speaker 2: soon as I've paid for it, that's.

2025
01:32:45,812 --> 01:32:47,932
Speaker 3: Mine, So but how do they know that you're paid

2026
01:32:47,933 --> 01:32:48,253
Speaker 3: for it? Though?

2027
01:32:48,293 --> 01:32:50,692
Speaker 2: I mean, that's their problem. They've run a self service,

2028
01:32:51,173 --> 01:32:54,052
Speaker 2: so that's their problem. That's why for the longest time

2029
01:32:54,612 --> 01:32:57,372
Speaker 2: they had the checkouts at the door, because you paid

2030
01:32:57,372 --> 01:32:59,093
Speaker 2: and you went out the door, so they knew. So

2031
01:32:59,133 --> 01:33:01,812
Speaker 2: now if you've got self service, I'm walking to the door.

2032
01:33:01,853 --> 01:33:04,333
Speaker 2: Someone asked me about it, and bless Gary that we

2033
01:33:04,333 --> 01:33:05,892
Speaker 2: were talking to before, I think was Gary, wasn't.

2034
01:33:05,973 --> 01:33:06,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were.

2035
01:33:06,612 --> 01:33:09,253
Speaker 2: Talking before, and don't be rude. Anyone that's got their job.

2036
01:33:09,293 --> 01:33:12,012
Speaker 2: It's not his problem. But you're asking me to prove

2037
01:33:12,093 --> 01:33:14,212
Speaker 2: that what is mine is mine. You might as well

2038
01:33:14,372 --> 01:33:15,812
Speaker 2: knock on the window of my car and ask me

2039
01:33:15,812 --> 01:33:16,372
Speaker 2: if it's my car?

2040
01:33:16,692 --> 01:33:17,972
Speaker 3: Have you got a receipt for this vehicle?

2041
01:33:18,013 --> 01:33:18,293
Speaker 2: Set?

2042
01:33:18,333 --> 01:33:20,892
Speaker 4: But Bunnings is odd. What's their policy? Because sometimes they

2043
01:33:20,893 --> 01:33:23,013
Speaker 4: scan it and sometimes I'm rocking there and I've got

2044
01:33:23,053 --> 01:33:25,173
Speaker 4: my receipt ready to scan and they look the other way,

2045
01:33:25,293 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 4: and it's real awkward. It's almost like going to shake

2046
01:33:27,333 --> 01:33:29,932
Speaker 4: someone's hand and they remove their hand away. What's said

2047
01:33:29,933 --> 01:33:32,013
Speaker 4: about Bunnings? Do you want to scan my receipt or not?

2048
01:33:32,253 --> 01:33:33,013
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go.

2049
01:33:33,492 --> 01:33:35,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that one either. I

2050
01:33:35,933 --> 01:33:36,972
Speaker 2: always just get waved through.

2051
01:33:37,013 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 4: I just look honest, Here comes Matt Heath. We're not

2052
01:33:39,612 --> 01:33:41,972
Speaker 4: going to challenge that man. Oh had one hundred eighty

2053
01:33:42,133 --> 01:33:43,333
Speaker 4: ten eighty as a number to.

2054
01:33:43,253 --> 01:33:45,213
Speaker 3: Call eithugh like honest or psychopathic.

2055
01:33:46,412 --> 01:33:49,053
Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is the tix's number. Is some

2056
01:33:49,093 --> 01:33:51,253
Speaker 4: great ticks coming through. We'll get to some of those

2057
01:33:51,372 --> 01:33:57,612
Speaker 4: very shortly. Right now, it is twenty five past three.

2058
01:33:58,812 --> 01:34:02,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred

2059
01:34:02,213 --> 01:34:04,093
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

2060
01:34:04,893 --> 01:34:07,612
Speaker 2: So I'm we're talking about kmart map for three and one.

2061
01:34:07,652 --> 01:34:09,293
Speaker 2: You claim it's the greatest map of all time. You

2062
01:34:09,333 --> 01:34:11,652
Speaker 2: spent thirty five dollars on it. A woman in christ

2063
01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:13,052
Speaker 2: saying it tried to kill her.

2064
01:34:13,572 --> 01:34:15,732
Speaker 3: As you if some led up.

2065
01:34:15,732 --> 01:34:20,173
Speaker 2: Well, So this is interesting because I said before you know,

2066
01:34:20,213 --> 01:34:23,532
Speaker 2: someone message, you know, when you were in km mart

2067
01:34:23,612 --> 01:34:27,173
Speaker 2: or Bunnings and they swipe your receipt. I'm saying, don't

2068
01:34:27,213 --> 01:34:29,532
Speaker 2: ask me. I've already paid for that, so don't ask

2069
01:34:29,572 --> 01:34:31,053
Speaker 2: me if it's mine. It's like, don't come up to

2070
01:34:31,053 --> 01:34:33,052
Speaker 2: me and saying are your undies yours?

2071
01:34:33,133 --> 01:34:35,452
Speaker 4: You know, so you feel by scanning or asking to

2072
01:34:35,492 --> 01:34:37,253
Speaker 4: see your receipt, they're implying that you're a thief.

2073
01:34:37,372 --> 01:34:39,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as someone saying here ninet two nine two,

2074
01:34:39,492 --> 01:34:41,133
Speaker 2: it's their property, so they can ask you anything at all.

2075
01:34:41,133 --> 01:34:42,293
Speaker 2: I don't know if they can ask you anything at

2076
01:34:42,293 --> 01:34:44,053
Speaker 2: all on their property. There's probably some rules they can

2077
01:34:44,093 --> 01:34:46,892
Speaker 2: ask you. But we had a call in the break

2078
01:34:46,893 --> 01:34:48,492
Speaker 2: who didn't want to go to air that said, the

2079
01:34:48,532 --> 01:34:51,652
Speaker 2: reason why they scan you your receipt when you go

2080
01:34:51,812 --> 01:34:53,932
Speaker 2: out is because so you've gone to the self service,

2081
01:34:53,933 --> 01:34:56,852
Speaker 2: you bought, say the three and one mopep that tried

2082
01:34:56,853 --> 01:35:00,812
Speaker 2: to kill this woman. You go out and then you

2083
01:35:00,853 --> 01:35:02,972
Speaker 2: put that you could put that mop in the car

2084
01:35:03,293 --> 01:35:06,973
Speaker 2: and then you come back with your receipt and go

2085
01:35:07,133 --> 01:35:08,333
Speaker 2: hang on, I'm trying to week this out.

2086
01:35:08,853 --> 01:35:11,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they scan the receipt that you take your

2087
01:35:11,173 --> 01:35:12,973
Speaker 4: mop to the car, but you put your receipt in

2088
01:35:12,973 --> 01:35:15,933
Speaker 4: the pocket, go back and store, grab another mop, and

2089
01:35:15,973 --> 01:35:18,973
Speaker 4: then try and walk out with that. But it's individualized

2090
01:35:19,133 --> 01:35:21,093
Speaker 4: to each purchase, so if you try and do that,

2091
01:35:21,093 --> 01:35:21,492
Speaker 4: they're going.

2092
01:35:21,452 --> 01:35:21,772
Speaker 6: To get you.

2093
01:35:21,893 --> 01:35:22,053
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2094
01:35:22,093 --> 01:35:23,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's what it is.

2095
01:35:23,652 --> 01:35:25,852
Speaker 4: So that makes sense. That's quite crafty of those things.

2096
01:35:25,853 --> 01:35:27,972
Speaker 4: If I can say that, oh, eight hundred and eighty

2097
01:35:28,053 --> 01:35:29,693
Speaker 4: ten eighties and number of corps.

2098
01:35:29,452 --> 01:35:31,253
Speaker 2: So that the product has gone out the door is

2099
01:35:31,253 --> 01:35:32,053
Speaker 2: basically what they know.

2100
01:35:32,173 --> 01:35:33,932
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, yeah, which is fair enough in that case,

2101
01:35:34,013 --> 01:35:39,692
Speaker 4: isn't it this one? Texas says, get a guys, I

2102
01:35:39,853 --> 01:35:41,372
Speaker 4: just lost it there, Matt.

2103
01:35:41,572 --> 01:35:43,412
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Costco is silly.

2104
01:35:43,452 --> 01:35:46,053
Speaker 4: They sign your receipt as you leave, like they have

2105
01:35:46,133 --> 01:35:49,133
Speaker 4: to check your trolley. Good luck to them if that's

2106
01:35:49,133 --> 01:35:50,773
Speaker 4: how they treat their customers.

2107
01:35:51,293 --> 01:35:55,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting one anyway, Margaret, welcome to

2108
01:35:55,492 --> 01:35:55,892
Speaker 2: the show.

2109
01:35:57,452 --> 01:35:57,852
Speaker 20: Thanks.

2110
01:35:59,053 --> 01:36:03,532
Speaker 23: I bought a total of tree Electric hands fevers from

2111
01:36:04,372 --> 01:36:09,852
Speaker 23: So Sorry from the warehouse, thinking they'd last too, and

2112
01:36:10,412 --> 01:36:12,972
Speaker 23: over a year all three of them broke. The beatles

2113
01:36:13,173 --> 01:36:17,652
Speaker 23: actually broke, and I took and frustration the last one

2114
01:36:17,732 --> 01:36:19,973
Speaker 23: back and I think the head through the surches. So

2115
01:36:20,053 --> 01:36:22,333
Speaker 23: they said, oh, well, we can't pay you money, and

2116
01:36:22,372 --> 01:36:24,933
Speaker 23: I think that you carry this product right, So I

2117
01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:29,493
Speaker 23: writtenly got the box and it made exclusively for the warehouse.

2118
01:36:29,612 --> 01:36:32,892
Speaker 23: Buy and look it's made exclusively for you.

2119
01:36:33,572 --> 01:36:34,412
Speaker 20: And so they had to.

2120
01:36:35,572 --> 01:36:40,213
Speaker 4: And so did they keep giving you replacement beats electric beats?

2121
01:36:40,333 --> 01:36:45,173
Speaker 23: No, No, because they're a cheap hufle of the heavy accounts,

2122
01:36:46,532 --> 01:36:52,452
Speaker 23: you know, after we broke after three sprung apart from you. Actually,

2123
01:36:52,452 --> 01:36:53,852
Speaker 23: I think this should be illegal.

2124
01:36:54,293 --> 01:36:55,452
Speaker 19: I think this should.

2125
01:36:55,213 --> 01:36:57,812
Speaker 23: Really be illegal, that people are making such.

2126
01:36:57,572 --> 01:37:01,333
Speaker 4: A scrubbish Yeah, but why did you buy three of

2127
01:37:01,372 --> 01:37:02,012
Speaker 4: the Mahagaret?

2128
01:37:02,093 --> 01:37:02,372
Speaker 3: I don't.

2129
01:37:02,412 --> 01:37:04,053
Speaker 4: I mean, how much beating are you doing at home?

2130
01:37:06,333 --> 01:37:10,892
Speaker 4: I beat a lot, clearly, No, but I like it.

2131
01:37:11,093 --> 01:37:14,133
Speaker 2: You bought one and broke it. I'll give them another go.

2132
01:37:14,492 --> 01:37:16,093
Speaker 2: I'll give them another go. I'll throw that one out.

2133
01:37:16,093 --> 01:37:18,093
Speaker 2: And you went back and you bought another one. Give

2134
01:37:18,093 --> 01:37:18,572
Speaker 2: another game.

2135
01:37:18,612 --> 01:37:21,372
Speaker 4: But the third one that was third time, wasn't the chance.

2136
01:37:25,333 --> 01:37:27,412
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for you called Margaret. I appreciate it.

2137
01:37:27,532 --> 01:37:31,812
Speaker 4: There's a great story, right, I think that until we've

2138
01:37:31,812 --> 01:37:35,173
Speaker 4: got time for because we've got Gareth standing by. A

2139
01:37:35,253 --> 01:37:37,293
Speaker 4: quick couple of texts to wrap this up, guys. I

2140
01:37:37,293 --> 01:37:41,372
Speaker 4: had to laugh at that last Costco text message. I'm

2141
01:37:42,492 --> 01:37:46,133
Speaker 4: people they have to join the Costco membership and it's

2142
01:37:46,133 --> 01:37:48,892
Speaker 4: one of the biggest, most successful businesses around the world.

2143
01:37:48,973 --> 01:37:51,333
Speaker 4: The staff love working there and people love shopping there.

2144
01:37:51,372 --> 01:37:52,732
Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to be worried if one

2145
01:37:52,732 --> 01:37:55,093
Speaker 4: person doesn't like the way they do stuff. They've got

2146
01:37:55,093 --> 01:37:56,852
Speaker 4: a pretty good formula which is fair enough to.

2147
01:37:56,973 --> 01:37:57,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, mind you.

2148
01:37:57,812 --> 01:37:59,412
Speaker 2: The first time I went to costcos in the States,

2149
01:37:59,492 --> 01:38:01,973
Speaker 2: I thought, this is really really cheap. And then I

2150
01:38:02,013 --> 01:38:03,412
Speaker 2: went up to the counter and I was about to buy.

2151
01:38:03,412 --> 01:38:05,452
Speaker 2: I was so confused and they said, oh, you remember,

2152
01:38:05,893 --> 01:38:07,532
Speaker 2: you know, and I was like, what, No, can I

2153
01:38:07,572 --> 01:38:08,013
Speaker 2: just buy this?

2154
01:38:09,013 --> 01:38:10,652
Speaker 3: And so it's a weird thing.

2155
01:38:10,812 --> 01:38:12,612
Speaker 4: I've never been to costco. I know there's one up

2156
01:38:12,612 --> 01:38:14,293
Speaker 4: here in Auckland. I'm yet to go there and we

2157
01:38:14,372 --> 01:38:15,652
Speaker 4: might make a weekend trip out of it.

2158
01:38:15,692 --> 01:38:18,253
Speaker 2: But people love it. There's costco heads. There's people that

2159
01:38:18,412 --> 01:38:20,892
Speaker 2: just just they love it. Go in there and buy

2160
01:38:20,893 --> 01:38:22,093
Speaker 2: their coffin to bury themselves in.

2161
01:38:22,213 --> 01:38:22,973
Speaker 3: Yeah they love it.

2162
01:38:23,093 --> 01:38:26,093
Speaker 4: And nine hundred pieces of toilet paper, yeah yeah, and

2163
01:38:26,652 --> 01:38:27,732
Speaker 4: great hot dogs apparently.

2164
01:38:27,893 --> 01:38:28,652
Speaker 3: Yeah right.

2165
01:38:28,772 --> 01:38:31,612
Speaker 4: Good chats are coming up very shortly after the headlines.

2166
01:38:31,652 --> 01:38:34,612
Speaker 4: Gareth Abdenoor. He is the founder and director of Abdenor Law,

2167
01:38:34,652 --> 01:38:38,372
Speaker 4: an expert in employment law, and he'll be taking your

2168
01:38:38,452 --> 01:38:41,732
Speaker 4: questions and calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2169
01:38:41,732 --> 01:38:45,093
Speaker 4: if you've got a problem in the workforce in your workplace. Rather,

2170
01:38:45,333 --> 01:38:47,372
Speaker 4: he is the man to chat to and if you

2171
01:38:47,372 --> 01:38:48,932
Speaker 4: want to change your name, you want to keep it

2172
01:38:48,933 --> 01:38:51,173
Speaker 4: slightly anonymous, You're more than welcome to do that. Eight

2173
01:38:51,253 --> 01:38:53,492
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is number to call and nine

2174
01:38:53,572 --> 01:38:55,092
Speaker 4: two ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: Use the code name Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: It is twenty eight minutes. The three back very shortly.

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Speaker 15: a crisis. Police are upping reassurance patrols in Auckland's Birkenhead

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Speaker 15: after a violent stabbing last week and an aggravated robbery

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Speaker 15: for cash and transit van yesterday. The screen Producers geld

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Speaker 15: Zealand on Air and the Film Commission should merge one

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Speaker 15: Queenstown Lakes District Council's declined McDonald's resource application. A six

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Speaker 15: thousand strong petition last year opposed the fast food artlet opening,

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Speaker 15: matching the mood in more than ninety percent of submissions

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Speaker 15: to counsel Inyos versus New Zealand Rugby and the shifting

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Speaker 15: I'm back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much raiding dirty Wanaka residence. We're going

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Speaker 3: to have to bring that up tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Shutting down the Golden Archer.

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Speaker 3: I know, no macs and Wanica.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, right, so Gareth abden Or he is the

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Speaker 4: founder and director of Abdenor Law. He is an employment,

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Speaker 4: workplace and information expert and is a great friend of

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Speaker 4: the show. And it's a pleasure to welcome an in

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Speaker 4: for the first time in twenty twenty five. Gareth, good afternoon.

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Speaker 21: Good afternoon. It's great to be here, guys.

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Speaker 4: Well, great to chat. Has it been a busy start

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Speaker 4: to the year for you?

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Speaker 3: Gareth?

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Speaker 4: I understand there's quite a few changes happening in employment

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Speaker 4: law as the year progresses.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, there's lots of changes, and I think with the

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Speaker 21: economy taking a bit of attention, people really want to

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Speaker 21: keep their jobs and there's a lot of restructuring going

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Speaker 21: on and lots of work, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. Now you know the drill.

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Speaker 4: If you've got a question for Gareth, O wait one

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got any issues

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Speaker 4: in your workplace, he is the man to chat to.

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Speaker 4: And indeed, if you run the company or the boss

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Speaker 4: and you've got some issues with your workers, he's great

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Speaker 4: to chat too as well. Gareth, we've already got texts

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Speaker 4: coming through, so we'll kick into them pretty quickly.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, sounds good.

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Speaker 3: Hey, a question for you.

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Speaker 2: My work was all remote then I joined my current firm.

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Speaker 2: When I join my current firm, they now want us

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Speaker 2: back in the office two of five days every week,

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Speaker 2: and to make up those office days even when we

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Speaker 2: take leave. I would like to request a change to

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Speaker 2: my working arrangements to the price status quo as per

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Speaker 2: Employment Relations Act two thousand, Parts six AA, flexible working.

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Speaker 2: And don't think they can point to any exemption as

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Speaker 2: per six nine AAF the guy knows legislation, Man, they

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Speaker 2: sanctioned me for asking for this variation eg. Refuse bonus payments, etc.

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Speaker 2: Thanks boys.

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Speaker 21: There's so much in that one, isn't there? I guess

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Speaker 21: summarizing it, a lot of businesses went fully remote during COVID,

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Speaker 21: and now they've seen that that comes with a whole

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Speaker 21: lot of downsides, and there's a lot of pressure for

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Speaker 21: people to return to the office. You don't have to

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Speaker 21: be a genius to work out that. If everybody's working

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Speaker 21: from home, it's so much more difficult to train junior staff.

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Speaker 21: Mental people include people on meetings and discussions and often

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Speaker 21: say you learn a lot through osmosis listening and what

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Speaker 21: the person next to you is saying on the phone.

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Speaker 21: So there's a lot of pressure for people to go

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Speaker 21: back to the office. Very difficult to answer the coolest

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Speaker 21: questions because it is so fact dependent. Now, if you

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Speaker 21: got the job and it's heid that your work would

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Speaker 21: be remote, the employer would have to consult with you

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Speaker 21: and essentially do a restructure before they could force you

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Speaker 21: back to the office. You know, as I've seen for

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Speaker 21: years and years on the show, that you need to

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Speaker 21: be very careful in situations like this because yes, you

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Speaker 21: may have legal options open to you, but do you

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Speaker 21: want to be the nail that sticks up because you

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Speaker 21: might get smacked down?

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Speaker 3: You good analogy?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, you know, if you're really difficult when times are tough,

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Speaker 21: you might be the first one out the door when

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Speaker 21: there's a restructure. So I think there's a fine line

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Speaker 21: to be walked here. Yes, definitely you can ask for

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Speaker 21: flexible working arrangements. Your employer has to consider that in

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Speaker 21: good faith, but they don't have to agree.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking to employment law a Gareth abnan Or

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Speaker 2: from Admoral Law. John, you've got a question for Gareth.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, yeah, okay, now you're on with Gareth John.

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Speaker 4: What's your question.

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Speaker 24: We've recently been taken over by another company. In it

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Speaker 24: the new company has taken us on the old old

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Speaker 24: terms and individual agreements.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 24: This issue coming now is that based on a salary

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Speaker 24: for forty hours a week and any time anyhow overtime

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Speaker 24: work over and above it was taken off as pay

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Speaker 24: paid leave right. But now in our individual agreement it

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Speaker 24: says that there'll be no overtime paid over and above

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Speaker 24: forty hours.

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Speaker 21: M Yeah, and that's not not an unusual situation.

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Speaker 22: John.

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Speaker 21: You may have an argument here that the arrangement with

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Speaker 21: your previous employer became part of your employment agreement. But

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Speaker 21: I think where there's a new employer, what's in the

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Speaker 21: contract is likely to be what's what they're going to

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Speaker 21: stick to, So you can give it a go. But

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Speaker 21: I wouldn't be I wouldn't be digging my heels in

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Speaker 21: too much on that one.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully that outs.

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Speaker 4: Thanks very much for your phone call, So just on there, Gareth. So,

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Speaker 4: if you're part of a company and it gets sold

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Speaker 4: to a new buyer, new owner, do your contracts still

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Speaker 4: remain in place or at that point do you start

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Speaker 4: with new contracts.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it really depends on whether it's a sheer purchase

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Speaker 21: or a purchase of the assets of the business. What

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Speaker 21: normally happens is there's a new employment agreement with the

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Speaker 21: name of the new employer, and often there slight changes

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Speaker 21: to the terms of employment, so there might be changes

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Speaker 21: to benefits, and often there changes to things like this

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Speaker 21: the hours of work. You know, as I said before,

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Speaker 21: times are tight, and I think if you're on a

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Speaker 21: salary that kind of comes with the arrangement that sometimes

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Speaker 21: you're going to have to work over your forty hours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting.

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 4: call if you've got a question for Gareth and the

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Speaker 4: text number nine to nine two. Got to take a

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Speaker 4: quick break. It is eighteen to four. Bag very shortly.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Matten Taylor Afternoon with the

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Speaker 1: Volvo xc N eighty tick in every box, A seamless

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Speaker 1: experience awaits news.

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Speaker 3: Talks be good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: We're joined by Gareth abdenor Director of abdenor Employment Law,

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Speaker 4: taking your questions about any issues you're having at work

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Speaker 4: or if you run the company, any issues that you've

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Speaker 4: got with your employees. Plenty of texts coming through Gareth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here goes one. We went out with the

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Speaker 2: new boss. He paid for the first two rounds.

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Speaker 13: Is gone.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he called it I get to know me post

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Speaker 2: work meeting that we had to attend. After two we

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Speaker 2: started paying for ourselves. Things took off, a glass got broken.

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Speaker 2: He comes back over from his mates and tells us

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Speaker 2: we all got to go home, saying because he paid

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Speaker 2: for the first beers. He is responsible for us.

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Speaker 3: We told him to.

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Speaker 2: If off he's still angry, Can your boss kick you

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Speaker 2: out of a pub? Aren't we in charge of our

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Speaker 2: own lives after we're off site?

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Speaker 3: There seems a lot break next.

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Speaker 21: Oh man, Well, I don't even know where to start

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Speaker 21: with this one. I guess the first thing is, yeah,

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Speaker 21: maybe don't tell your boss toforf that that's career limiting.

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Speaker 3: Good advice.

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Speaker 21: I think that's the advice of the day. It's really

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Speaker 21: tricky these days, and I don't think it was a

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Speaker 21: great idea for the boss to take people out to

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Speaker 21: a pub if there weren't clear expectations in the beginning.

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Speaker 21: These days, employees aren't treated like adults often, and employers

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Speaker 21: aren't allowed to do the sort of things that they

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Speaker 21: used to be allowed to do, And so we see

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Speaker 21: a lot of Christmas parties being canceled parties, if you

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Speaker 21: can call it that, with no alcohol. So this situation

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Speaker 21: is a recipe for disaster. I think these employees should

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Speaker 21: be quite lucky that they're not facing disciplinary action, and

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Speaker 21: I think everybody should just chalk it up to a

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Speaker 21: bad idea and try and forget about it.

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Speaker 2: So if you're in a location so you've been out

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Speaker 2: with the boss though, and the party initially starts there,

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Speaker 2: and if the boss clearly goes it's over. Now those

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Speaker 2: few two bears and it sounds like he's over at

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Speaker 2: another table because he says he came over from his

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Speaker 2: other mates, so I'm not sure if he did this,

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Speaker 2: But he goes, that's over. That was the drink, that

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Speaker 2: was the get together we wanted to have. I'm not

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Speaker 2: paying for any more drinks. He goes over to another table.

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Speaker 2: His employees still his responsibility at that point, or has

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Speaker 2: he shut down the function even though they're both still

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Speaker 2: in the same establishment.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think the risk is that there's a reasonably

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Speaker 21: high risk that if anything goes wrong, the venue will

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Speaker 21: blame it on the company, and the employees could claim

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Speaker 21: that it was still a work event. It started as

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Speaker 21: a work event. Alcohol was provided. You know, best practice

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Speaker 21: in a situation like this would be to say we're

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Speaker 21: going to go out, We're going to have a couple

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Speaker 21: of drinks, and then everybody leaves. Then if you go

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Speaker 21: to a different venue without your boss, I think everybody's

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Speaker 21: on much safer territory. But the fact that stayed in

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Speaker 21: the same pub.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't tell your boss to off from the number one.

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Speaker 3: I like it says we told the boss.

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Speaker 21: It sounds like there was an insurrection.

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Speaker 3: Siah. You've got a question for Gareth, right.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I work in sales and quite any specialty, and I

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Speaker 7: believe I've got quite an intense restraint of trade in

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Speaker 7: my contract.

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Speaker 19: So it sees that they can stop me.

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Speaker 12: Worn't for a competitor for twelve months.

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Speaker 20: How unenforceable is that in New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's a fantastic question, Sarah. There's this idea out

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Speaker 21: there that restraints aren't enforceable and that's not correct. And

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Speaker 21: then there are some pretty onerous restraints in employment agreements

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Speaker 21: that clearly go too far. So the test that the

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Speaker 21: court will look at is is it reasonable and is

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Speaker 21: it necessary to protect a legitimate interest that your employer has.

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Speaker 21: If you're in a niche role and you've got relationships

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01:51:13,853 --> 01:51:17,812
Speaker 21: with suppliers, relationships with customers, and it would take a

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01:51:17,853 --> 01:51:21,532
Speaker 21: long time for them to protect those and you could

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Speaker 21: take advantage of them, potentially that restraint could be enforceable,

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Speaker 21: But it really comes down to the particular circumstances of

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Speaker 21: each case. Twelve months is definitely at the upper end

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Speaker 21: of what would be considered reasonable. Generally three months is reasonable,

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Speaker 21: six months is starting to get up there, and twelve

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Speaker 21: months is at the extreme end. But there are cases

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Speaker 21: where twelve months has been found to be reasonable.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully, thanks Sarah.

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Speaker 4: Just on that twelve months, I mean, would there is

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01:51:55,572 --> 01:51:58,452
Speaker 4: there sometimes a caveat or part of that deal that

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01:51:58,492 --> 01:52:00,572
Speaker 4: they pay you out something so that at least you

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Speaker 4: can survive for that twelve months.

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Speaker 21: And often those extended restraints only apply to peace on

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01:52:09,812 --> 01:52:15,972
Speaker 21: relatively good incomes. As I say, twelve months is quite extreme,

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Speaker 21: and that can't prevent you from working full stop. It

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Speaker 21: will just prevent you from working in a way that

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Speaker 21: would be unfairly competing with your previous employer.

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Speaker 3: What can the previous employer do?

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Speaker 21: Though, they can file proceedings, they can seek an injunction,

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01:52:36,173 --> 01:52:40,093
Speaker 21: so the court could actually issue an injunction preventing you

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Speaker 21: from from doing whatever it is that's in breach of

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01:52:43,013 --> 01:52:48,492
Speaker 21: the restraint. You know, generally these things are resolved before

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01:52:48,532 --> 01:52:51,532
Speaker 21: that point because once it goes to court, everybody loses

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01:52:51,572 --> 01:52:57,052
Speaker 21: except the lawyers. Yeah, yeah, you know, with a restraint

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01:52:57,053 --> 01:52:59,213
Speaker 21: like that. I think it's a very good idea to

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01:52:59,293 --> 01:53:02,452
Speaker 21: get some legal advice so you know where you stand.

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Speaker 4: Yep, great stuff. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:53:04,973 --> 01:53:07,732
Speaker 4: is the number to call. Have time for another couple

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01:53:07,732 --> 01:53:10,972
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Speaker 3: Good Afternoon.

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01:53:27,772 --> 01:53:30,213
Speaker 4: We're joined by Gareth Abdenor, who is the founder and

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Speaker 4: director of Abdenor Law. You can check him out Abdenorlaw

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Speaker 4: dot n Z's brilliant and he's taking your questions.

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Speaker 3: Josh, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, hey guys, hete Gareth. My question is I resigned

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01:53:42,532 --> 01:53:48,092
Speaker 9: from a position late last year, and what I did

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01:53:48,213 --> 01:53:51,813
Speaker 9: after I left I went to make contact with previous

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01:53:52,652 --> 01:53:59,692
Speaker 9: managers that I worked under, and so from working with

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01:53:59,812 --> 01:54:02,812
Speaker 9: them previously, I asked if it would be okay if

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01:54:02,853 --> 01:54:05,572
Speaker 9: I use theok for future for a future reference will

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Speaker 9: work at that point? Yeah, that's that's fine. When I

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01:54:12,933 --> 01:54:17,173
Speaker 9: actually resigned, I had a new area manager come in

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01:54:17,812 --> 01:54:19,892
Speaker 9: and that was one of the reasons the way I thought,

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Speaker 9: I'm out of here, I'm just I'm going and this

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01:54:25,013 --> 01:54:30,932
Speaker 9: particular person who only just gained that position, this person's

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01:54:30,973 --> 01:54:34,772
Speaker 9: actually gone to these people who I used to work

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01:54:34,812 --> 01:54:39,333
Speaker 9: for and it has asked them not to supply any references.

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01:54:39,493 --> 01:54:40,133
Speaker 3: That's a big one.

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01:54:40,133 --> 01:54:42,493
Speaker 4: And sorry, Josh, we're almost running out of time, but Gareth,

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01:54:42,573 --> 01:54:43,333
Speaker 4: can they do that?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, they most probably can. An employer is under no

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01:54:49,453 --> 01:54:53,653
Speaker 21: legal obligation to provide you with a reference. They do

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01:54:53,772 --> 01:54:56,453
Speaker 21: need to confirm that you work there, but they don't

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01:54:56,453 --> 01:54:58,892
Speaker 21: have to provide you with a reference. And a lot

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01:54:58,933 --> 01:55:02,413
Speaker 21: of businesses have a policy not to provide references and

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01:55:02,573 --> 01:55:06,892
Speaker 21: only to provide certificates of service. So yep, potentially they could,

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01:55:07,173 --> 01:55:07,812
Speaker 21: they could do this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very good, Gareth, great to catch up again. Thank

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01:55:12,053 --> 01:55:13,932
Speaker 4: you very much as always, and there's plenty of ticks

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01:55:14,053 --> 01:55:15,892
Speaker 4: and phone calls to get to next time you're on,

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Speaker 4: so we'll catch you in a month's time.

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Speaker 21: Fantastic, Thanks guys, brilliant.

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Speaker 4: That is Gareth abden Or, founder and director of abden

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01:55:22,493 --> 01:55:25,293
Speaker 4: Or Law. You can check them out Abdenorlaw dot end

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Speaker 4: z And that is us for today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, give them a taste kew till tomorrow.

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01:55:29,733 --> 01:55:31,772
Speaker 4: Oh, actually we're going to carry on right too, because

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01:55:31,812 --> 01:55:34,053
Speaker 4: we thought he had some music lined up Andrew. But

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Speaker 4: that's all right, So on the show tomorrow Thursday. I'm

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01:55:37,653 --> 01:55:39,932
Speaker 4: looking to hear to Friday of course as well topical tunes.

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Speaker 4: I think it's one apiece at the stage. Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: that is going to be on Friday after three thirty.

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Speaker 4: Couple of ticks to rap it all up. Oh yes,

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01:55:48,772 --> 01:55:51,252
Speaker 4: and a great interview with John o'pryor tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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01:55:52,213 --> 01:55:54,972
Speaker 2: Johnny Prior joins us to discuss this new show Vince

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01:55:55,093 --> 01:55:56,573
Speaker 2: starting on TV three tomorrow night.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic, that will be very popular and he's a great guy. Well,

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01:56:00,133 --> 01:56:02,573
Speaker 4: thank you very much again for today. We'll do it

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01:56:02,613 --> 01:56:04,733
Speaker 4: all again tomorrow and as you see before, Matt

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