1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,907 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:15,467 Speaker 2: On News Talks EDB. So we've been to the Blues, 4 00:00:15,507 --> 00:00:18,307 Speaker 2: We've been to the Crusaders, to Mwana Pacifica, to the 5 00:00:18,347 --> 00:00:22,107 Speaker 2: Hurricanes and to the Chiefs. So let's finish our rap 6 00:00:22,107 --> 00:00:25,627 Speaker 2: of super rugby coach chats with the Highlanders. 7 00:00:25,707 --> 00:00:26,667 Speaker 3: Trying to find the space. 8 00:00:26,787 --> 00:00:28,147 Speaker 2: He's got a little cap of. 9 00:00:29,827 --> 00:00:30,387 Speaker 3: Camp Feller. 10 00:00:30,827 --> 00:00:31,947 Speaker 1: Camp Feller's got one. 11 00:00:32,227 --> 00:00:34,427 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, gracious be it. 12 00:00:34,627 --> 00:00:37,627 Speaker 1: I went for the heartedness. They take the four points. 13 00:00:37,867 --> 00:00:38,747 Speaker 1: They worked hard. 14 00:00:38,787 --> 00:00:43,347 Speaker 2: It was Champagne rugby from the opening whistle. Highlanders head 15 00:00:43,347 --> 00:00:46,427 Speaker 2: coach is Jamie Joseph, who joins us now. Jamie, thanks 16 00:00:46,467 --> 00:00:48,587 Speaker 2: for taking the time for a chat. You've moved from 17 00:00:48,987 --> 00:00:52,707 Speaker 2: ahead of rugby role with the Highlanders last year to 18 00:00:53,147 --> 00:00:55,267 Speaker 2: the head coaching role that you held for six years 19 00:00:55,267 --> 00:00:58,747 Speaker 2: from twenty eleven to twenty sixteen inclusive. Is that head 20 00:00:58,747 --> 00:01:01,267 Speaker 2: coaching role one that you're a bit happier in? 21 00:01:02,947 --> 00:01:04,867 Speaker 3: You want to say, it's a it's a club that 22 00:01:04,907 --> 00:01:07,787 Speaker 3: I'm really passionate about, Jason, And it's nice to be home. 23 00:01:08,547 --> 00:01:10,907 Speaker 3: Being away for I guess that's a long time and 24 00:01:10,987 --> 00:01:13,867 Speaker 3: then coming back into the club that I that I left, 25 00:01:14,627 --> 00:01:16,587 Speaker 3: it's really nice and really nice field to be back. 26 00:01:16,787 --> 00:01:18,747 Speaker 3: Obviously the players a little bit younger. I'm a little 27 00:01:18,747 --> 00:01:22,067 Speaker 3: bit older, but no, really really exciting to get back 28 00:01:22,067 --> 00:01:22,427 Speaker 3: into it. 29 00:01:22,747 --> 00:01:24,827 Speaker 2: And as far as the change of role is concerned, 30 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:28,627 Speaker 2: I presume you'll have a lot more hands on contact 31 00:01:28,667 --> 00:01:31,547 Speaker 2: this time around last year. Was there was there any 32 00:01:31,547 --> 00:01:33,747 Speaker 2: opportunity for you to have a real on the grass 33 00:01:33,747 --> 00:01:35,347 Speaker 2: impact with the team or not? Really? 34 00:01:36,347 --> 00:01:41,667 Speaker 3: No, No, my role last last year really was really 35 00:01:41,787 --> 00:01:45,187 Speaker 3: was just as sister club. There's these new owners. I'm 36 00:01:45,187 --> 00:01:50,267 Speaker 3: obviously excited about about the future. So with new owners, 37 00:01:50,267 --> 00:01:52,867 Speaker 3: you know you get a new board, a new chairman. 38 00:01:52,987 --> 00:01:54,747 Speaker 3: So that was one part of it. The other part 39 00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:59,787 Speaker 3: of it had a very i guess a relatively inexperienced them, 40 00:01:59,867 --> 00:02:03,187 Speaker 3: particularly with with heat coaching. So Clark is a it's 41 00:02:03,187 --> 00:02:05,467 Speaker 3: a fine coach, has been around and coaching the hands 42 00:02:05,507 --> 00:02:07,787 Speaker 3: for some years, but was assist and so giving him 43 00:02:07,827 --> 00:02:10,467 Speaker 3: some support and the coaching teams and support was a 44 00:02:10,467 --> 00:02:13,067 Speaker 3: big part of my role. And then I guess just 45 00:02:14,107 --> 00:02:16,507 Speaker 3: looking looking at the recruitment side of things was another 46 00:02:16,507 --> 00:02:19,147 Speaker 3: big part of it. So looking looking for the future, 47 00:02:19,147 --> 00:02:21,267 Speaker 3: looking at young guys and trying to bring them back 48 00:02:21,267 --> 00:02:22,907 Speaker 3: down to the South to play for the Hornders. 49 00:02:23,427 --> 00:02:26,267 Speaker 2: You prefer being on the grass and in an office, 50 00:02:26,267 --> 00:02:26,787 Speaker 2: wouldn't you. 51 00:02:27,827 --> 00:02:32,347 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. The head of rg B thing 52 00:02:32,387 --> 00:02:34,747 Speaker 3: wasn't something I sought after. Was something that the club 53 00:02:34,787 --> 00:02:37,267 Speaker 3: approached me with and asked me if I was interested 54 00:02:37,747 --> 00:02:41,147 Speaker 3: to be there. I was. I was pretty pretty tired 55 00:02:41,187 --> 00:02:43,707 Speaker 3: after being away for such a long time too World 56 00:02:43,747 --> 00:02:47,187 Speaker 3: Cup campaigns, so I was reasoning we had with just having, 57 00:02:47,387 --> 00:02:49,107 Speaker 3: you know, having a bit of a break from coaching, 58 00:02:49,147 --> 00:02:51,227 Speaker 3: But this role, I guess allowed me to have a 59 00:02:51,227 --> 00:02:53,667 Speaker 3: look at the club and in assess where it was 60 00:02:53,867 --> 00:02:56,907 Speaker 3: and then you know, and then this when this opportunity 61 00:02:56,907 --> 00:02:59,187 Speaker 3: came in to get back on the craft, I obviously 62 00:02:59,227 --> 00:03:00,387 Speaker 3: grabbed it. All right. 63 00:03:00,427 --> 00:03:02,747 Speaker 2: So you've been mo onea PACIFICA in the Crusaders and 64 00:03:02,827 --> 00:03:06,107 Speaker 2: two pre season games, so I know results aren't necessarily 65 00:03:06,347 --> 00:03:08,827 Speaker 2: want but did you get everything you wanted out of 66 00:03:08,827 --> 00:03:09,547 Speaker 2: those two games? 67 00:03:11,067 --> 00:03:13,347 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well yeah, yeah. You're trained for a couple of 68 00:03:13,347 --> 00:03:15,347 Speaker 3: months over getting the guys first, and that's a big 69 00:03:15,387 --> 00:03:17,587 Speaker 3: part of the preseason, and then that sort of culminates 70 00:03:17,627 --> 00:03:20,147 Speaker 3: in a couple of couple of matches where you try 71 00:03:20,187 --> 00:03:22,827 Speaker 3: to give everyone a run, and in the minor Pacific, 72 00:03:23,067 --> 00:03:27,067 Speaker 3: you know, both both teams had a real open posse 73 00:03:27,267 --> 00:03:30,467 Speaker 3: around around change. We had thirty two players, they had 74 00:03:30,507 --> 00:03:33,547 Speaker 3: about forty five players, so inevitably the game was quite missy. 75 00:03:33,587 --> 00:03:37,147 Speaker 3: But the game against Crusaders was more of a match 76 00:03:37,787 --> 00:03:40,147 Speaker 3: and more of a real sort of test around where 77 00:03:40,147 --> 00:03:43,947 Speaker 3: we were. So we're reasonably proud about their performance. But 78 00:03:43,987 --> 00:03:46,187 Speaker 3: we lost a couple of players, and I think they 79 00:03:46,227 --> 00:03:48,787 Speaker 3: lost a couple of players as well, so quite costly 80 00:03:48,827 --> 00:03:52,987 Speaker 3: in terms of, you know, injuries and for both sides. 81 00:03:53,307 --> 00:03:55,867 Speaker 2: Anyone you're going to lose for a long time or 82 00:03:55,907 --> 00:03:59,267 Speaker 2: are they more sort of minor niggles. 83 00:03:59,747 --> 00:04:06,707 Speaker 3: Yeah, looks it's with Nriki Joan and Riqui quaky. He 84 00:04:07,147 --> 00:04:09,107 Speaker 3: already made the sub and he rolled his ankle and 85 00:04:09,187 --> 00:04:13,107 Speaker 3: the kind of his last play, and initially it looked okay, 86 00:04:13,147 --> 00:04:14,507 Speaker 3: but then he woke up the next morning and it 87 00:04:14,587 --> 00:04:18,347 Speaker 3: was quite swollen and sore, and so that's that looks. 88 00:04:18,507 --> 00:04:21,147 Speaker 3: That looks at least, you know, three to four weeks. 89 00:04:21,907 --> 00:04:25,227 Speaker 3: And then we've got a player tick held and stranger's 90 00:04:25,267 --> 00:04:27,947 Speaker 3: hamstring and I mean they can be Negali but they 91 00:04:27,947 --> 00:04:31,587 Speaker 3: can also turn around reasonably fast as well, so when 92 00:04:31,627 --> 00:04:33,867 Speaker 3: when the players come back into work tomorrow, we'll have 93 00:04:33,907 --> 00:04:35,227 Speaker 3: more of an idea where we are. 94 00:04:35,187 --> 00:04:37,947 Speaker 2: All right, well, wish them a speedy recovery in a 95 00:04:38,027 --> 00:04:40,547 Speaker 2: squad with with fewer all blacks than the other New 96 00:04:40,627 --> 00:04:44,027 Speaker 2: Zealand sides. How much more important are guys like Ethan 97 00:04:44,067 --> 00:04:46,587 Speaker 2: Degree for example, full our fuck Tarva, those who have 98 00:04:46,747 --> 00:04:48,587 Speaker 2: worn the black jersey. 99 00:04:49,347 --> 00:04:51,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think you grab hold of all of 100 00:04:51,147 --> 00:04:56,747 Speaker 3: your experienced players. So our average age is was wequaked 101 00:04:56,827 --> 00:05:00,627 Speaker 3: us out, it's twenty two point four, so very young team. 102 00:05:00,747 --> 00:05:04,027 Speaker 3: Ethan a massive impact on the team, obviously because he's 103 00:05:04,027 --> 00:05:06,867 Speaker 3: our season all black, but he and he just joined 104 00:05:06,947 --> 00:05:10,347 Speaker 3: us last week as well, so he's been absent for 105 00:05:10,467 --> 00:05:15,227 Speaker 3: the whole whole preseason Flower just you know, recovering from 106 00:05:15,307 --> 00:05:18,227 Speaker 3: a knee operation after the last year's inn PC. He 107 00:05:18,867 --> 00:05:22,267 Speaker 3: was out for pretty much for all of the preseasons. 108 00:05:22,267 --> 00:05:27,187 Speaker 3: So yeah, look, they're obviously huge for our side, but 109 00:05:27,267 --> 00:05:30,227 Speaker 3: we've had to go ahead without them really and start 110 00:05:30,307 --> 00:05:33,787 Speaker 3: to build a team without that experience, and I guess 111 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:37,187 Speaker 3: that's become a slight advantage because the fact that we 112 00:05:37,187 --> 00:05:38,907 Speaker 3: don't have a lot of War Blacks and a lot 113 00:05:38,987 --> 00:05:42,547 Speaker 3: of guys out of out of training. We've pretty much 114 00:05:42,547 --> 00:05:43,907 Speaker 3: got our group together. Well. 115 00:05:43,907 --> 00:05:46,347 Speaker 2: I think one guy we all know will in all 116 00:05:46,427 --> 00:05:49,347 Speaker 2: likelihood being All Black and probably for a while as 117 00:05:49,347 --> 00:05:52,067 Speaker 2: Fabian Holland. He turned plenty of heads last year, call 118 00:05:52,147 --> 00:05:54,587 Speaker 2: up to the All Blacks fifteen, had a standout performance 119 00:05:54,587 --> 00:05:57,627 Speaker 2: against Munster, joined the All Blacks as an injury replacement. 120 00:05:57,747 --> 00:06:00,387 Speaker 2: Still only twenty two, so he's around that average that 121 00:06:00,467 --> 00:06:02,347 Speaker 2: you talked about. What do you predict for him in 122 00:06:02,387 --> 00:06:02,867 Speaker 2: the future. 123 00:06:07,307 --> 00:06:08,987 Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think he's got the potential 124 00:06:09,107 --> 00:06:11,507 Speaker 3: being all Black. There's a few of those boys flowing 125 00:06:11,547 --> 00:06:15,307 Speaker 3: around around New Zealand. I guess for Sam Derry, as 126 00:06:15,347 --> 00:06:18,907 Speaker 3: I understand, has got a season in an injury, which 127 00:06:18,947 --> 00:06:22,107 Speaker 3: is unfortunate for for their player, but that sort of 128 00:06:22,187 --> 00:06:25,947 Speaker 3: makes it makes the line a little bit less. But 129 00:06:26,107 --> 00:06:28,387 Speaker 3: all I can really focus on with Fabian is that's 130 00:06:28,507 --> 00:06:31,867 Speaker 3: very hungry and since he's been back with us, you 131 00:06:31,907 --> 00:06:34,587 Speaker 3: know that hunger is showing out in terms of how 132 00:06:34,587 --> 00:06:37,347 Speaker 3: he's preparing, how he's training, and then they played really 133 00:06:37,387 --> 00:06:40,147 Speaker 3: well against the Crusaders. Is you know, it's a funny 134 00:06:40,147 --> 00:06:42,387 Speaker 3: old game. He's just got to, you know, get that 135 00:06:42,467 --> 00:06:45,387 Speaker 3: consistency that the best players have and keep on turning 136 00:06:45,387 --> 00:06:47,827 Speaker 3: in performances. And if he can do that, then yeah, 137 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:49,427 Speaker 3: that's going to really benefit the team. 138 00:06:49,707 --> 00:06:51,787 Speaker 2: You're won super RB. Of course, as Highland as head 139 00:06:51,827 --> 00:06:55,307 Speaker 2: coach in twenty fifteen, is there anything that's still key 140 00:06:55,827 --> 00:06:59,187 Speaker 2: today Jamie to replicating that success a decade later? 141 00:07:01,587 --> 00:07:04,147 Speaker 3: Well, the consistencies for the Highlanders as there were a 142 00:07:04,187 --> 00:07:07,547 Speaker 3: team that predominantly recruits from outside the region. I think 143 00:07:07,587 --> 00:07:10,467 Speaker 3: we've got about eight or nine percent of the playing 144 00:07:10,507 --> 00:07:13,187 Speaker 3: based based down in Duneda and other cargo. So we 145 00:07:13,267 --> 00:07:16,227 Speaker 3: go out of the region to get our players, which 146 00:07:16,307 --> 00:07:19,627 Speaker 3: is the which is the biggest challenge. But lot myself, 147 00:07:19,667 --> 00:07:21,347 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the players come down here 148 00:07:21,347 --> 00:07:24,427 Speaker 3: to apply their traders rebby players and then end up 149 00:07:24,467 --> 00:07:28,547 Speaker 3: having families and staying here. So as the consistency is 150 00:07:28,627 --> 00:07:31,267 Speaker 3: the people who we represent and play for are proud. 151 00:07:31,347 --> 00:07:34,347 Speaker 3: They are proud rugby people down here in the Deep South. 152 00:07:35,467 --> 00:07:38,827 Speaker 3: We've always had quality coaches, you know, over the decades 153 00:07:38,867 --> 00:07:42,907 Speaker 3: of rugby, and so those are kind of consistent themes 154 00:07:43,107 --> 00:07:46,307 Speaker 3: if you like that, are always the same in Daned 155 00:07:46,387 --> 00:07:48,267 Speaker 3: and then and what I found was the players, and 156 00:07:48,267 --> 00:07:50,787 Speaker 3: then my time coaching instantly playing is that that's been 157 00:07:50,827 --> 00:07:53,067 Speaker 3: quite enjoyable and the players actually really enjoy once they 158 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:53,627 Speaker 3: get used to it. 159 00:07:53,907 --> 00:07:55,787 Speaker 2: I think I saw a photo of Tony Brown at 160 00:07:55,787 --> 00:07:57,587 Speaker 2: what are your trainings this week? Is he there an 161 00:07:57,627 --> 00:07:59,867 Speaker 2: official capacity or just helping out? 162 00:08:01,347 --> 00:08:05,667 Speaker 3: Yeah? Officially helping out, I guess you might. You might 163 00:08:05,747 --> 00:08:08,827 Speaker 3: say he obviously a local head and loves the team 164 00:08:08,827 --> 00:08:11,947 Speaker 3: as well, loves the club, played played a little of 165 00:08:11,987 --> 00:08:14,547 Speaker 3: rugby for the Highlanders and coach the Hollanders with me, 166 00:08:15,467 --> 00:08:18,067 Speaker 3: and his base is a coach overseas, so when he's 167 00:08:18,107 --> 00:08:21,947 Speaker 3: home it's always nice to get him in to apply 168 00:08:21,987 --> 00:08:24,947 Speaker 3: a peer of fresh eyes over the crew and give 169 00:08:24,987 --> 00:08:28,947 Speaker 3: the coaches some feedback and and he's a really experienced 170 00:08:28,947 --> 00:08:30,667 Speaker 3: good back and say it's this nice dad Momble. 171 00:08:31,187 --> 00:08:33,347 Speaker 2: Great to have you back in the head coaching role, Jamie. 172 00:08:33,387 --> 00:08:34,827 Speaker 2: All the best for the season, he had, mate, Really 173 00:08:34,827 --> 00:08:38,027 Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time for a chat. Thank you, 174 00:08:38,227 --> 00:08:41,147 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jamie. Jamie Joseph there wrapping our wrap of 175 00:08:41,307 --> 00:08:45,107 Speaker 2: super Rugby head coaches. Just before we carry on, I 176 00:08:45,147 --> 00:08:47,587 Speaker 2: just want to thank all six of the franchises and 177 00:08:47,627 --> 00:08:50,587 Speaker 2: their respective media teams for making the six head coaches 178 00:08:50,587 --> 00:08:51,987 Speaker 2: available to us and know it's a bit of an 179 00:08:52,067 --> 00:08:58,267 Speaker 2: undertaking to get get guys to chat to us at 180 00:08:58,307 --> 00:09:00,387 Speaker 2: times when they are, many of them on a day off, 181 00:09:00,427 --> 00:09:03,427 Speaker 2: so we do appreciate their accessibility to us. 182 00:09:03,947 --> 00:09:07,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Paine, listen live 183 00:09:07,227 --> 00:09:10,507 Speaker 1: to news Talks at B weekends from midday, or follow 184 00:09:10,547 --> 00:09:12,147 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.