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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. Hamilton becomes the heartbeat of All

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Speaker 1: It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your home of

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Speaker 5: Yes sday' yot, good afternoon and welcome into Weekend Sport

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Speaker 5: on News Talks EDB the Saturday edition for July nineteen,

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Speaker 5: the day of Test Match three for the All Blacks

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five. They meet the French and Hamilton

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Speaker 5: tonight in the final game of their three Test series,

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Speaker 5: having already secured the series and the Dave Gallaha Trophy

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Speaker 5: after wins and Dunedin narrowly and Wellington convincingly. And as

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Speaker 5: focus over the next three hours, unsurprisingly, with a real

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Speaker 5: Wake Uttle and Chiefs, Flavor Mulus and All Blacks icon.

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Speaker 5: Stephen Donald is on the show after one o'clock. Another

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Speaker 5: former All Black, Matthew Cooper also said to join us

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Speaker 5: here live, as is Steve Gordon.

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Speaker 5: We're also going to chat with former All Blacks forwards

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Speaker 5: coach and now Wallaby's assistant coach Mike Cron ahead of

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Speaker 5: the first Test between Australia and the British and Irish

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Speaker 5: Lines and Brisbane tonight. And first up today, I wanted

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Speaker 5: to chat about the imminent threat of Rugby three sixty,

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Speaker 5: the organization targeting the world's best players on lucrative contracts

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Speaker 5: to compete in a breakaway rugby competition. Leading sports agent

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Speaker 5: Bruce Sharrick standing by the chat with us on that.

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Speaker 5: Rob Nickel, the boss of the New Zealand Rugby Players

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Speaker 5: Association of it later on as well, and I'm really

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Speaker 5: keen for your views on this as well other matters

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Speaker 5: around today Global Football Sense. Wrexham AFC are in the country.

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Speaker 5: They meet the Wellington Phoenix from five this afternoon. I

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Speaker 5: year old Welshman living in Wellington. He grew up watching

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Speaker 5: for you. Adam Peacock with his Australian sporting issues as

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Speaker 5: Live Sport This afternoon, there's a round Fury Shield Challenge

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Speaker 5: Coming to your Live from the Roaming Giants, and reports

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Speaker 5: have emerged in recent days that breakaway rugby competition Rugby

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Speaker 5: with multiple bids for franchise slots already under consideration. Now

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Speaker 5: backers are targeting the three hundred best players in the

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Speaker 5: two point three million New Zealand dollars per season. That's

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Speaker 5: Leading sports agent Bruce Sharrick is with us. Here's a

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Speaker 5: list of elite clients includes Roger too of Vasishek and

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Speaker 6: Well berth to get a Jason? Look, if you ahead

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Speaker 5: So what's happened in the last six months that's that's

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Speaker 6: Investments the airs of broadcast partners and are willingness to

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Speaker 5: Some big numbers being reported. I know you've seen them.

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Speaker 5: So top players stand to earn over two million New

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Speaker 6: Yes, if they choose to join the concept.

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Speaker 7: That's what's been promoted and clearly earlier on where they

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Speaker 7: And as you can imagine a lot of players are

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Speaker 6: But the numbers you're talking about, from what I know,

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Speaker 2: Where will this money come from?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I think if we look around the

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Speaker 6: I know there's a collection of people who are minus.

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Speaker 7: Shareholders and things are NBA and if how those sorts

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Speaker 7: So that's my understanding. I mean, one of the things

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Speaker 7: you know, there are genuine and legitimate people who are

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Speaker 5: All right, So it's it's basically, I guess very rich

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Speaker 2: Is that what we're talking about in basic terms?

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Speaker 6: you know, as I understand now, there have been an

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Speaker 5: Involvement in this competition will presumably mean for a New

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, you've hit on something that is the critical

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Speaker 7: those players to effectively put that at risk because we

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Speaker 7: the hope is and you know, Jason, I think for

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Speaker 7: rebel competition, ironically the concept was very similar. What he

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Speaker 7: wanted to do was taking competition global, and he wanted

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Speaker 7: becoming professional. Who knows what this may trigger and what

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Speaker 7: it may do spring you know, I guess the game

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Speaker 5: So Rugby three sixty, if it becomes sanction then would

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Speaker 5: presumably run alongside the international program. But what about all

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Speaker 5: of the other club programs. We talk about Super rugby,

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Speaker 5: A player surely couldn't play Super rugby Rugby three sixty

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Speaker 7: Correct, And I think that's where where the parties need

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Speaker 7: points here, what they have done with the calendar that's

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Speaker 7: been promoted is they're a windows for international rugby. I

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Speaker 7: think for us here in New Zealand the Rugby Championship

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Speaker 7: would need to be realigned. But as you know, there

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Speaker 7: are conversations about trying to align those calendars anyway. And

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Speaker 7: you're right, they couldn't play three to six the international

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Speaker 7: rugby and the domestic comp So that's where the pressure

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Speaker 6: Don't know that.

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Speaker 7: I'm just surmising it as someone who's observed the industry

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Speaker 5: You terrific insight and hugely interesting comments from you, as always, Bruce,

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Speaker 8: all black players who are in line for the World Cup.

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Speaker 8: If all of the top nations do that, then this

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Speaker 8: rugby three sixty will not be a great Spitta. Colin

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Speaker 8: too out to twenty twenty seven will no.

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Speaker 2: You're right, You're right.

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Speaker 5: It's an interesting time to try and launch it, John,

438
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Speaker 5: that's a very good point. It seems more logical to

439
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Speaker 5: launch it off the back of the World Cup when

440
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Speaker 5: a few players are as they always do at the

441
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Speaker 5: end of a World Cup cycle coming towards the end

442
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Speaker 5: of their international careers, but are still looking for their

443
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Speaker 5: next contract, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's that's why, honest opinion, and that's why I

445
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Speaker 8: really don't Well, rugby needs to get a come competition

446
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Speaker 8: going involve all were top players.

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Speaker 2: How can they do that? Though? John, I think that

448
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Speaker 2: most of the players will.

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Speaker 5: Every player at the moment plays in a club competition

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Speaker 5: most of the time in their own country or in

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Speaker 5: another country. I don't know whether World Rugby has to

452
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Speaker 5: stand up another competition here.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean they had talked about the competition involving

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Speaker 8: sides like supersides playing, haven't they the Northern Southern hempspheare?

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Speaker 8: I mean, if they could get that going top, we're

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Speaker 8: sure He's backers would put their money into that. And

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Speaker 8: the other thing concerns me is considering the fact that

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Speaker 8: Saudi Arabia just brought every sport there is now, how

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Speaker 8: much backing is coming from there.

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Speaker 5: Well, according to Bruce John Nunn, he just said then

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Speaker 5: that he thinks that's been misreported that there is not

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Speaker 5: Saudi backing for this. I guess that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 5: And as you say with out of Arabia, very very keen,

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Speaker 5: very very keen to to get involved in all sorts

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Speaker 5: of sports. You know, you wouldn't put it past them

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Speaker 5: to be involved as a as an owner of one

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Speaker 5: or more of these franchises, but apparently that is not

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Speaker 5: not in the mix at the moment. According to Bruce Sharrick,

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Speaker 5: I appreciate your call, John oh eight one hundred and

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Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty Kelvin, I'm in your.

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Speaker 10: Town, yes, very big. Welcome to you, Jason. And now

472
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Speaker 10: right across the road from where you are from that pub.

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Speaker 10: Last time I was in there, had a couple of

474
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Speaker 10: beers after funeral. But right across the road from you,

475
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Speaker 10: the big building there is where they have all the

476
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Speaker 10: big netball games, the magic and that. And when you're

477
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Speaker 10: looking out towards that building, it looks like the builders

478
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Speaker 10: left in a hurry and left all the planks and

479
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Speaker 10: scaffolding behind. But it's to make it's to impress everybody evident.

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Speaker 10: But anyway, to the lefts of that used to be

481
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Speaker 10: the big old wooden Grand sand where the cross the

482
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Speaker 10: horse cross trotting used to be, and also the grayhound

483
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Speaker 10: racing was there as well, and.

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Speaker 5: That's Globox are any you're talking about. Oh, yes, we

485
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Speaker 5: drove past it on the way down here. I was there, Prestkelvin.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, commonly cool Wallace Claudin's arena. But the Glowbox

487
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Speaker 10: is the commercial name. And just if you cross the

488
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Speaker 10: road and head one hundred meters south on the left

489
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Speaker 10: end's corner is a weatherboard building, probably a grocery shop,

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Speaker 10: and is a round, rusty steel ring set into the building.

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Speaker 10: And that's a proper or a ring it is, And

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Speaker 10: that's where you tie your horse up to.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Calvin Well, I don't have one with me, but

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Speaker 5: if I did, that's where i'd go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend.

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Speaker 5: Good to be in your town, I think, I said,

497
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Speaker 5: Bradley Slater. I meant Brody McAllister. Thank you Tony for

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Speaker 5: pointing that out to me on text.

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Speaker 11: Evan, Hello, mate, how long does a through sexty season

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Speaker 11: go for?

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Speaker 5: It's eighteen weeks apparently, twelve teams playing sixteen games across

502
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Speaker 5: eighteen weeks.

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Speaker 12: And we'll maybe some all that take a tabbatical tour

504
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Speaker 12: rather well.

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Speaker 5: I appreci Yeah, good point, ev And yeah, they what

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Speaker 5: they're saying is they're going to break for international windows,

507
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Speaker 5: although from what I've seen, and Rob Nickel might be

508
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Speaker 5: able to clarify this, it looks as that I've only

509
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Speaker 5: really thought about the Northern Hemisphere international windows rather than

510
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Speaker 5: the Southern Hemisphere ones.

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Speaker 2: But that's the way they want to do it.

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Speaker 5: They want to run this competition and still allow international

513
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Speaker 5: rugby to happen. But what does international rugby look like

514
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Speaker 5: when somebody from New Zealand who signs up for Rugby

515
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Speaker 5: three sixty presumably doesn't play for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 6: Okay, now, Albert, I'm just wondering about those two points.

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Speaker 13: Good.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your call, mate, Thanks indeed, Peter.

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Speaker 11: Hello mate, Yeah, how you doing there?

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Speaker 2: Very good, Peter.

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Speaker 14: Good question. Have you watched the Team LESSO series?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 5: I haven't, Peter, And I know, like you're about the

524
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Speaker 5: thousandth person who's mentioned this to me, and I know

525
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Speaker 5: I should, but I haven't.

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Speaker 14: There's a wonderful part where this Nigeria billionaire comes in

527
00:28:08,067 --> 00:28:09,867
Speaker 14: and he wants to buy up all these teams and

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Speaker 14: start his own league. And the speech that one of

529
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Speaker 14: the characters, Rebecca gives in response to it, That's how

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Speaker 14: I'm feeling at the moment. It's like these guys they

531
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Speaker 14: can come in and swoop up the traditions of the game. Yes,

532
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Speaker 14: those things aren't for sale. They shouldn't be for sale.

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Speaker 5: It's a very interesting point you make, Peter, and I

534
00:28:36,067 --> 00:28:38,467
Speaker 5: look around and I see you look at cricket, right,

535
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Speaker 5: and cricket is probably the most traditional of sports. And

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Speaker 5: you know, thirty years ago you and I could have

537
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Speaker 5: had this conversation saying, look, the traditions of cricket are

538
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Speaker 5: not for sale. But you look at now the IPL

539
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Speaker 5: and what that's led to, and the number of franchise

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Speaker 5: leagues now, and the traditions of cricket have meant very

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Speaker 5: little to those who have stood these competitions up.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, very much so. I mean, I mean, what's happened

543
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Speaker 14: to the testa and what's happened to the one? It's

544
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Speaker 14: pretty much all twenty hits and Googles.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 14: I'm not saying that there's not a place for that,

547
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Speaker 14: but again, the traditions of cricket, where have that gone?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 14: That?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, I mean I'm probably not the target audience

551
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Speaker 5: for franchise cricket if I'm honest, Peter. I love my

552
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Speaker 5: Test matches and you might be a similar generation to me.

553
00:29:29,187 --> 00:29:32,027
Speaker 5: You're probably a bit younger, but you know, I feel

554
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Speaker 5: like you like the traditional side of sport as well.

555
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Speaker 2: So look, where have the tradition's gone.

556
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Speaker 5: They still exist, I think in the international game, But

557
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Speaker 5: as far as any kind of allegiance or tribalism, if

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Speaker 5: we bring this back to rugby, I'm just not sure

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Speaker 5: how these franchises will be able to engender that in people.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the whole thing. It's just they don't see

561
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Speaker 14: rugby or sport in general as is something that drives

562
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Speaker 14: their passions, that that they feel attached to. They see

563
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Speaker 14: it as a product.

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Speaker 2: Bang on, Peter.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and if they take it as a product, if

566
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Speaker 14: it becomes their product and not their passion, what's what's

567
00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:28,427
Speaker 14: happened to it? Where where we livet in the meets?

568
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Speaker 5: Our passion has become their products, Peter. All the peas,

569
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Speaker 5: make all the peas, and you're dead. You're dead, right?

570
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Speaker 5: And Look, And I really don't think they care when

571
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Speaker 5: I say they talking about the those behind competitions like this,

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that they care, which you know, rightly

573
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Speaker 5: or wrongly, is probably a fact. Yeah, we have this

574
00:30:52,067 --> 00:30:54,267
Speaker 5: conversation a lot around rugby and about you know, the

575
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Speaker 5: the NPC and what that used to be and the

576
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Speaker 5: tribalism that was created and is still created by that.

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Speaker 2: But in fact of matter is.

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Speaker 5: That you know, it's a it's a competition that is

579
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Speaker 5: that is struggling. But yeah, it's a very very interesting

580
00:31:08,827 --> 00:31:12,107
Speaker 5: time for the game of rugby and all sport.

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Speaker 2: Rarely Peter good to chat to youre mate twelve forty

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. When we come back.

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Speaker 5: Rob Nickel from the Players Association with his view on this.

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Speaker 5: Life here on News Talks EDB of course, talking Rugby

596
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Speaker 5: three sixty, let's get a view from the players, or

597
00:31:56,867 --> 00:31:59,787
Speaker 5: certainly the body that represents them. Rob Nickel is the

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Speaker 5: chief executive of the New Zealand Rugby Players Association. He's

599
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Speaker 5: with us now, Rob, thanks for your time this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: What is your reaction to the revelations this week about

601
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Speaker 5: Rugby three sixty and its potential impact on the game here?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, good Afthenon Jason. Look, it's been around now for

603
00:32:17,747 --> 00:32:20,907
Speaker 12: nearly eighty months, so is there nothing new or surprising

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Speaker 12: for us or accredited agents or a large number of

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Speaker 12: the players. I guess there's a couple of key dates

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Speaker 12: for the manner emerging. I think Septembers are pretty important

607
00:32:30,867 --> 00:32:32,947
Speaker 12: time in terms of if they want to launch next year,

608
00:32:32,987 --> 00:32:34,827
Speaker 12: they need a few things ticked off by then, and

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Speaker 12: so it's become of a more public and this before agency,

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Speaker 12: and you know, they're looking to get off us out

611
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Speaker 12: to players around the world to try and to try

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Speaker 12: and stand.

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Speaker 3: Up the league.

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Speaker 12: But it's not you know, it's not the first time

615
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Speaker 12: and it won't be the last time that we have

616
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Speaker 12: private interest looking to start rugby competitions. And it's good.

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Speaker 12: It's good that people see us forward to something interesting

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Speaker 12: and they want to invest in it, and they want

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Speaker 12: to they want to create some activity and probably disrupting

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Speaker 12: sort of it.

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Speaker 2: It's good, as you say, it's not the first time.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe this one has leaks?

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Speaker 12: Well, they certainly, you know when we've met with them

624
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Speaker 12: a number of times now with the as of the

625
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Speaker 12: guys driving, and they certainly don't seem to be lacking

626
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Speaker 12: the capital based on what they're representing, and they're certainly

627
00:33:22,067 --> 00:33:25,187
Speaker 12: they're certainly talking the game and they're taking action and

628
00:33:25,227 --> 00:33:29,227
Speaker 12: they're moving forward. But there's also, as there is these things,

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Speaker 12: a lot a lot of questions that have yet to

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Speaker 12: be answered and only be sort of answered in the

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Speaker 12: fullness of time. Yes, it is a little bit difficult

632
00:33:37,067 --> 00:33:39,507
Speaker 12: to sort of say is this definitely going to happen?

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Speaker 12: Is they're not. You know, we've had competitions in the

634
00:33:41,507 --> 00:33:44,867
Speaker 12: past where players have literally signed let us have intention

635
00:33:44,987 --> 00:33:47,387
Speaker 12: that have just called us and you don't hear anything

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Speaker 12: about it. I think a couple of years ago we

637
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Speaker 12: had the twelves. We've got a couple of sevens tournaments,

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00:33:52,827 --> 00:33:55,387
Speaker 12: one out of the state's, one out of out of

639
00:33:55,387 --> 00:33:58,347
Speaker 12: the Middle East being bandied around at the moment as well,

640
00:33:59,067 --> 00:34:01,707
Speaker 12: and we had one in India actually ran two months ago.

641
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Speaker 12: It was sort of like an IPL equivalent for seven's

642
00:34:04,707 --> 00:34:08,547
Speaker 12: rugby and was really successful and job that one was

643
00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:10,147
Speaker 12: supposed to be stood up two years ago, but they

644
00:34:10,227 --> 00:34:13,227
Speaker 12: finally got enough and running this year. So you just

645
00:34:13,427 --> 00:34:16,267
Speaker 12: it's really just really hard to tell, to be perfectly honest,

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Speaker 12: and where we just explain to the players and their

647
00:34:19,947 --> 00:34:23,547
Speaker 12: credited agents just to be really sensible, go through the detail,

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Speaker 12: make sure you really have a strong understanding of what

649
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Speaker 12: you're considering and what the implications are and what you're signing.

650
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Speaker 12: Get good advice and work through a good process.

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Speaker 5: There's the money that's being talked about big enough to

652
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Speaker 5: turn the heads of players here, particularly those younger ones.

653
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Speaker 5: You can see, you know, older players have had their

654
00:34:46,027 --> 00:34:48,347
Speaker 5: all blacks career, they go off and play in Japan

655
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Speaker 5: or the UK.

656
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Speaker 2: That sort of thing.

657
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Speaker 5: Is the money on offer here big enough to show

658
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Speaker 5: your heads of younger players.

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Speaker 12: It's quite funny this particular of the office that are

660
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Speaker 12: going around and the money that's been put on table

661
00:34:59,067 --> 00:35:01,867
Speaker 12: for three six it's enough to get retired players out

662
00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:06,267
Speaker 12: of here. It's made it it's not too bad. Yeah,

663
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Speaker 12: it's certainly the biggest the offers that are coming on

664
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Speaker 12: the table. It's the biggest we've seen in rugby. And

665
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Speaker 12: if they stand behind and that's what they're going to

666
00:35:16,707 --> 00:35:19,747
Speaker 12: be playing players for two or three years, it's it's

667
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Speaker 12: life changing changing figures in the context of rugby union,

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Speaker 12: that's sure.

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Speaker 5: So in the in the words of the famous Queen song,

670
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Speaker 5: is this real life or is it just fantasy?

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Speaker 2: What's your gut feel?

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Speaker 12: Well, the credibility of the people that have been involved.

673
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Speaker 12: You know, they come from a background of one of

674
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Speaker 12: the biggest sports agencies in the world, and they've been

675
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Speaker 12: in rugby. Mike Tindall, I mean everyone knows, you know

676
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Speaker 12: Mike Tindall as a player and a personally and a

677
00:35:46,747 --> 00:35:49,707
Speaker 12: figure up in the UK. You know, a couple of

678
00:35:49,747 --> 00:35:52,267
Speaker 12: the agents that are involved running running this have been

679
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Speaker 12: around rugby for a long time. So they clearly believe

680
00:35:55,747 --> 00:35:58,427
Speaker 12: this is God merit and they clearly believe they've got

681
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Speaker 12: the substance to pull it off. But I guess it's

682
00:36:01,187 --> 00:36:03,827
Speaker 12: like all good things, and whether you're in sport or whatever,

683
00:36:03,867 --> 00:36:05,427
Speaker 12: you come up with an idea and you're like, this

684
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Speaker 12: is a really good idea. One goes yeah, yeah, and

685
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Speaker 12: then ye say okay, can we make a business case here?

686
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Speaker 12: And you make a business case and then you might

687
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Speaker 12: get to invest the same year. It's good, Okay, well

688
00:36:14,107 --> 00:36:17,187
Speaker 12: we'll do the plan, and then you do your business

689
00:36:17,187 --> 00:36:19,947
Speaker 12: plan and investors come along and say, yes, we're committed

690
00:36:19,987 --> 00:36:23,067
Speaker 12: will vestiness business plan. But you've got to implement an

691
00:36:23,067 --> 00:36:26,187
Speaker 12: implementation that almost doesn't matter what sort of business or

692
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Speaker 12: thing you're starting up, particularly in sport, that's where the

693
00:36:29,507 --> 00:36:32,507
Speaker 12: rubber hits the ground, and it's not straightforward, and it's

694
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Speaker 12: not easy, and the things that you bought, you had

695
00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:38,027
Speaker 12: planned for will almost definitely not pan out that way.

696
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Speaker 12: And I think that's that's what I've always observed these

697
00:36:40,827 --> 00:36:44,227
Speaker 12: private leagues, whether it's in rugby corrector network football, whatever

698
00:36:44,267 --> 00:36:49,147
Speaker 12: it might be, you always met with the unexpected or

699
00:36:49,267 --> 00:36:53,507
Speaker 12: roadblocks that you didn't anticipate. Or in our context of rugby,

700
00:36:53,987 --> 00:36:56,827
Speaker 12: they need World Rugby sign off to be able to

701
00:36:57,787 --> 00:36:59,947
Speaker 12: stage their game unless they want to bear a so

702
00:37:00,027 --> 00:37:03,427
Speaker 12: called rebel league. They have said that they will release

703
00:37:03,467 --> 00:37:06,187
Speaker 12: players for international duty, but in putting their schedule together

704
00:37:06,387 --> 00:37:09,627
Speaker 12: and actually think about the Southern hemispherence nationals and at

705
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Speaker 12: the end of the day, if plays in this league,

706
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Speaker 12: they won't be able to be able to play for

707
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Speaker 12: the All Blacks or even Australia or South African Rugby

708
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Speaker 12: Championship for example. So there's there. They're coming at the

709
00:37:21,307 --> 00:37:24,027
Speaker 12: implementation phase. They're coming across a lot of things I

710
00:37:24,067 --> 00:37:27,507
Speaker 12: think that they hadn't planned for, and so this this

711
00:37:27,547 --> 00:37:29,667
Speaker 12: is when the rubber hits around and we'll just see

712
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Speaker 12: whether they'll be able to navigate their way through that

713
00:37:32,507 --> 00:37:34,707
Speaker 12: or around us or smash their way through it. I

714
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Speaker 12: guess it's all going to play out in front of us.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they will?

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Speaker 12: I honestly don't know, Fanny, I really don't know. I

717
00:37:41,627 --> 00:37:45,267
Speaker 12: think I don't think it will happen necessarily as quickly

718
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Speaker 12: as they would like it. I think they're going to

719
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Speaker 12: come across a couple of issues that they're going to

720
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Speaker 12: have to eat and take time to resolve or you know,

721
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Speaker 12: I don't imagine the L and R or the end

722
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Speaker 12: of premiership going to be that happy of complaining tournaments

723
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Speaker 12: in their backyard and in contracting their players, you know

724
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Speaker 12: how the FEF are. Then it's quite a northern hemus.

725
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Speaker 12: They're focusing at the moment. You know, how do some

726
00:38:08,187 --> 00:38:11,227
Speaker 12: of those established competitions and unions feel, How do World

727
00:38:11,307 --> 00:38:13,027
Speaker 12: Rugby feel about it? Do they want to put up

728
00:38:13,027 --> 00:38:14,547
Speaker 12: some barriers or are they going to roll out the

729
00:38:14,547 --> 00:38:18,667
Speaker 12: red carpet. It's yeah, I honestly, I can't really give

730
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Speaker 12: an opinion other than say, it's another league that's out there.

731
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Speaker 12: We're taking it seriously, We're engaged with them. The players

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Speaker 12: that are receiving offers are taking it seriously and looking

733
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Speaker 12: at it closely. But it's not the first and it

734
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Speaker 12: won't be the last one.

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Speaker 5: Great to get your insight, Rob, thanks so much for

736
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Speaker 5: joining us up that I Matt really appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, not so much help on it.

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Speaker 12: Actually measure if you know, if you're out there thinking

739
00:38:40,867 --> 00:38:42,507
Speaker 12: about it, is what's going to happen and you never

740
00:38:42,587 --> 00:38:46,067
Speaker 12: learned anything there to do? But no, we'll see what happens.

741
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Speaker 12: And the one thing I would say is, you know,

742
00:38:49,267 --> 00:38:51,627
Speaker 12: fifteen twenty years ago when the stuff was going around,

743
00:38:51,747 --> 00:38:54,147
Speaker 12: we went the private players to speak. We went as

744
00:38:54,227 --> 00:38:57,507
Speaker 12: organized as we are now, were really quite organized. Most

745
00:38:57,547 --> 00:39:00,187
Speaker 12: players have got very confident agents and people there to

746
00:39:00,227 --> 00:39:03,027
Speaker 12: be able to talk to. We've got really established methodologists

747
00:39:03,027 --> 00:39:05,587
Speaker 12: of what you've got to check, and we've got lots

748
00:39:05,587 --> 00:39:08,587
Speaker 12: of avenues. The player can really understand what it means

749
00:39:08,587 --> 00:39:11,507
Speaker 12: to them and their careers and their families and things

750
00:39:11,547 --> 00:39:14,947
Speaker 12: like that, so there's no excuses. And in terms of players,

751
00:39:15,627 --> 00:39:18,547
Speaker 12: this is good advice and make decisions that work for them,

752
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Speaker 12: So that's one.

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Speaker 5: Good thing about it, and they're good to know our

754
00:39:21,787 --> 00:39:26,307
Speaker 5: plaza are in safe hands again. Thanks Rob, appreciate your times, buddy.

755
00:39:26,467 --> 00:39:27,147
Speaker 2: No good on you, mate.

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Speaker 5: That's Rob Nikola, Chief executive Officer of the New Zealand

757
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Speaker 5: Rugby Players Association.

758
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Speaker 2: It's just so interesting to see where this will go.

759
00:39:34,107 --> 00:39:35,947
Speaker 5: Like Rob said, you know, this isn't the first of

760
00:39:35,987 --> 00:39:39,867
Speaker 5: these that's come across the desk of players and player

761
00:39:39,907 --> 00:39:43,947
Speaker 5: agents and those involved in the Players Association. Look, they

762
00:39:44,027 --> 00:39:47,547
Speaker 5: always look good on a PowerPoint presentation, don't they. But

763
00:39:47,707 --> 00:39:50,147
Speaker 5: when the rubber hits the road, as Rob said, there,

764
00:39:50,267 --> 00:39:52,907
Speaker 5: that is when we get a real idea about it.

765
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Speaker 5: From what Bruce Sharick was saying, he believes this one

766
00:39:55,907 --> 00:39:59,627
Speaker 5: to be well advanced. Others I think are less sure

767
00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:01,947
Speaker 5: about it. What is sure is that it will be

768
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Speaker 5: very interesting to see how it plays out over the

769
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Speaker 5: next little while. Seven and a half away from one

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Speaker 5: talks he'd be and Weekend Sport coming to your live

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Speaker 5: this afternoon from the Roaming Giant seven eight nine.

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Speaker 2: He feed terraces in Hamilton back in the mo.

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Speaker 1: Live from the Roaming Giant at Hamilton ahead of the

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Speaker 1: All Blacks fe Frances Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder on your

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Speaker 1: home of Sport News.

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Speaker 5: Talks V four to one here in Hamilton at the

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Speaker 5: Roaming Giant News at one and then one of Hamilton

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Speaker 5: Rugby Like I thought Rugby Chief Rugby's favorite sons, the

780
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Speaker 5: Beaver Stephen Donald, is he going to chat to him

781
00:40:42,787 --> 00:40:47,107
Speaker 5: after one o'clock about rugby matters past and present. He's

782
00:40:47,427 --> 00:40:50,347
Speaker 5: obviously involved in coverage of the game now as a

783
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Speaker 5: commentator on Skyes. He's going to join us with some

784
00:40:52,347 --> 00:40:54,267
Speaker 5: thoughts about tonight, but also just want to talk about

785
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Speaker 5: some of the famous moments, one in particular from his

786
00:40:57,307 --> 00:41:00,827
Speaker 5: rugby career. Stephen Donald after one great show, says Jamie

787
00:41:01,147 --> 00:41:04,307
Speaker 5: talking about Passion Finals day in Central Otago today. A

788
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Speaker 5: shout out to our upper Kluther Ram taking on their

789
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Speaker 5: old rivals Wakatipu from Queenstown, Beautiful Day and Wanica Club Rugby,

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Speaker 5: gum boots and big bottles only nine dollars.

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Speaker 2: Can't get better than that, Jamie simply cannot get better

792
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Speaker 2: than that. Thank you for your calls and text. We're

793
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Speaker 2: back after one with Stephen.

794
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Speaker 1: Donald bringing you the build up the Battle Elevanta as

795
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Speaker 1: we count down to All Blacks fe.

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Speaker 14: France and a new era of All Black rugby is underway.

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Speaker 1: LA It's Weekend Sports with Jessente Lave from The Roaming

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Speaker 1: Giant and Hamilton on your home of Sports new Stalk SIV.

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Speaker 2: Here's indeed welcome and welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 5: One Oa do im Jason Pine come into your life

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Speaker 5: from the Roaming Giants and Hamilton seven eight nine. He

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Speaker 5: feeds terrasts starting to fill up with the lunchtime crowd

803
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Speaker 5: as they build towards a seven oh five kickoff tonight

804
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Speaker 5: at FMG Stadium and Hamilton. The All Blacks take on

805
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Speaker 5: France in the third match in their three Test series.

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Speaker 5: Our lines of communication open all afternoon. Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 5: and eighty eighty get to throw on the phone nine

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Speaker 5: two ninety two on text and some guests to enjoy

809
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Speaker 5: a chat with, including our next one. When you think

810
00:42:14,987 --> 00:42:17,587
Speaker 5: of rugby in this part of the country, a few

811
00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:21,387
Speaker 5: names spring instantly to mine, most notably our next guest.

812
00:42:21,627 --> 00:42:24,947
Speaker 5: He actually played this first NBC rugby games for Counties

813
00:42:25,267 --> 00:42:27,387
Speaker 5: while he was still at school in two thousand and one,

814
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Speaker 5: then moved to Waycuttor in two thousand and four debut

815
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Speaker 5: for the Chiefs and five went on to become their

816
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Speaker 5: all time leading points scorer eight hundred and eighty six

817
00:42:36,507 --> 00:42:39,347
Speaker 5: points one hundred and five matches, still second only to

818
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Speaker 5: Damien Mackenzie. Played for New Zealand under twenty one so

819
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Speaker 5: the junior All Blacks, and made his full All Blacks

820
00:42:44,587 --> 00:42:48,267
Speaker 5: debut against England in two thousand and eight. Went on

821
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Speaker 5: to play twenty five times for the All Blacks, including

822
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Speaker 5: twenty three Test matches, the last of which provided one

823
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Speaker 5: of the most iconic moments in our sporting history.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five out dead in front, he moves in, he

825
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Speaker 2: likes it.

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Speaker 15: There's a little skimminus over hay Well our back at

827
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Speaker 15: the twenty two Stephen Donald popped up.

828
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Speaker 5: Everyone knows where they were when he kicked that goal.

829
00:43:12,267 --> 00:43:14,587
Speaker 5: In the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup Finals, Since then,

830
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Speaker 5: he's been and continues to be a radio host, podcaster, entrepreneur,

831
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Speaker 5: rugby coach and commentator, analyst with skysport No and universally

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Speaker 5: as Beaver Stephen Donald.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you, mate, Great to be here, poney,

834
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Speaker 2: how are you mate? I'm very good. It's so good

835
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Speaker 2: to see you.

836
00:43:29,587 --> 00:43:31,307
Speaker 5: Can you go anywhere in this town without us being

837
00:43:31,307 --> 00:43:33,467
Speaker 5: asked for a selfie or will we stop for a chat?

838
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Speaker 16: It's good, it's I don't live in Hamilton anymore, but

839
00:43:37,787 --> 00:43:40,867
Speaker 16: I've been down all morning watching my beautiful nieces play

840
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Speaker 16: net Border start with at eight point thirty and then hockey.

841
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Speaker 3: At ten thirty. And yeah, I love being down here.

842
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Speaker 16: It's a wonderful public And yeah, he said, it's a

843
00:43:49,147 --> 00:43:52,947
Speaker 16: wonderful part of my life. And I always feel like,

844
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Speaker 16: you know, obviously born and bred Wayuku, but this is

845
00:43:56,027 --> 00:43:58,707
Speaker 16: always I talk about home. This is you know, sitting

846
00:43:58,747 --> 00:44:00,427
Speaker 16: there place that I feel like it's home for me.

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Speaker 13: You know.

848
00:44:00,827 --> 00:44:02,667
Speaker 2: Good on your mate, Well you you look right at

849
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Speaker 2: home now.

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Speaker 5: Last night or yesterday late afternoon you coached the Classics

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Speaker 5: against the pacifica Legends of Eaton Park.

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Speaker 2: How did that go?

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00:44:10,507 --> 00:44:11,147
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was good.

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Speaker 16: If anyone saw it on Sky TV last night, you'd

855
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Speaker 16: have had a laugh. Obviously, a lot of us, well

856
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Speaker 16: a lot of us, all of us well and truly passed,

857
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Speaker 16: are used by date, but great fun and a great concept.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 16: Classics is born out of the classic All Blacks that

860
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Speaker 16: the Great Andy, the late great Andy Hayden was the

861
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Speaker 16: big driving force behind it, and then a wonderful, wonderful story.

862
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Speaker 16: His kids now have picked up the bat and then

863
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Speaker 16: just called the Classics, obviously due to legal reasons, but

864
00:44:45,507 --> 00:44:48,387
Speaker 16: they're running it. And although it's a lot of fun

865
00:44:48,427 --> 00:44:52,067
Speaker 16: for the guys to get together and play games and socialize,

866
00:44:52,067 --> 00:44:57,347
Speaker 16: it really is a wonderful void filled for guys post career.

867
00:44:57,467 --> 00:45:01,707
Speaker 16: And you know, we do live a wonderful life as

868
00:45:01,747 --> 00:45:04,827
Speaker 16: far as our careers go. But you know, and it

869
00:45:04,867 --> 00:45:07,067
Speaker 16: shouldn't but we don't feel sorry for it yourselves. But

870
00:45:07,787 --> 00:45:09,987
Speaker 16: once you walk out of an environment where you've got

871
00:45:10,027 --> 00:45:11,987
Speaker 16: thirty five of your best mates and your front out

872
00:45:11,987 --> 00:45:15,267
Speaker 16: into what I call the real world, it's it can

873
00:45:15,307 --> 00:45:18,667
Speaker 16: be harsh, and things like getting to give up a

874
00:45:18,707 --> 00:45:20,627
Speaker 16: couple of times a year or whatever, like the Haydens

875
00:45:20,627 --> 00:45:23,667
Speaker 16: are now carrying on, is wonderful and they're doing God's

876
00:45:23,707 --> 00:45:26,107
Speaker 16: worker stars. I'm concerned in a small way for the

877
00:45:26,187 --> 00:45:29,107
Speaker 16: for the rugby players. I and we've got a great

878
00:45:29,147 --> 00:45:33,067
Speaker 16: game next week against fong Andui at the legendary Cooks Garden.

879
00:45:34,147 --> 00:45:37,467
Speaker 16: And again although it's wonderful for us to get together

880
00:45:37,507 --> 00:45:38,507
Speaker 16: as former.

881
00:45:38,307 --> 00:45:40,107
Speaker 3: Teammates and opponents.

882
00:45:40,627 --> 00:45:43,107
Speaker 16: Also, I love the thing that the last couple of years,

883
00:45:43,507 --> 00:45:45,387
Speaker 16: last year we went to Fongolai and played in Northland.

884
00:45:45,547 --> 00:45:50,147
Speaker 16: This year Cooks Garden Wanganui MPC team is people like,

885
00:45:50,267 --> 00:45:52,747
Speaker 16: the names are pretty impressive and next week's team is

886
00:45:52,787 --> 00:45:54,947
Speaker 16: even more blockbust than the last night's team. And the

887
00:45:54,987 --> 00:45:58,947
Speaker 16: fact is people Fongui would have seen that caliber player.

888
00:45:59,347 --> 00:46:01,427
Speaker 16: I know, you know, pass these wadys, but that caliber

889
00:46:01,427 --> 00:46:03,347
Speaker 16: player and in the community, and the boys will be

890
00:46:03,387 --> 00:46:04,907
Speaker 16: down there for four days straight next week.

891
00:46:04,987 --> 00:46:06,507
Speaker 3: So looking forward to that.

892
00:46:06,547 --> 00:46:08,467
Speaker 5: Mate, you talk about that move to the real world,

893
00:46:08,507 --> 00:46:11,987
Speaker 5: and there are so many challenges I'm sure with that financial, physical,

894
00:46:12,067 --> 00:46:14,907
Speaker 5: but the friendship stuff. You spend all day every day

895
00:46:14,907 --> 00:46:16,907
Speaker 5: with thirty five of your best mates yep, and all

896
00:46:16,947 --> 00:46:17,827
Speaker 5: of a sudden that's gone.

897
00:46:17,867 --> 00:46:18,787
Speaker 2: How challenging is that?

898
00:46:19,507 --> 00:46:20,027
Speaker 17: Yeah?

899
00:46:20,067 --> 00:46:24,787
Speaker 3: And I guess I found it pretty challenging.

900
00:46:25,627 --> 00:46:28,627
Speaker 16: Something because the fact that it is it is essentially

901
00:46:29,347 --> 00:46:31,387
Speaker 16: you don't realize what you've got until it's gone.

902
00:46:31,467 --> 00:46:33,147
Speaker 3: And mine left with COVID.

903
00:46:33,187 --> 00:46:36,627
Speaker 16: Really I finished in Japan and SEID and catch off

904
00:46:36,747 --> 00:46:39,667
Speaker 16: COVID and came back and for six months, you know,

905
00:46:39,947 --> 00:46:41,787
Speaker 16: I was I know, we were all sort of getting

906
00:46:41,827 --> 00:46:43,267
Speaker 16: up in the morning, going right, how I'm going to

907
00:46:43,267 --> 00:46:45,347
Speaker 16: fill in today because we weren't allow to go an anybody

908
00:46:45,387 --> 00:46:49,787
Speaker 16: our house. But I found an extremely difficult just routine.

909
00:46:50,267 --> 00:46:50,507
Speaker 3: You know.

910
00:46:50,787 --> 00:46:53,147
Speaker 16: I was always someone that because I had to work

911
00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:55,427
Speaker 16: so hard to get where I did, because I wasn't talented,

912
00:46:55,707 --> 00:46:58,187
Speaker 16: I sort of would take every box and I used

913
00:46:58,187 --> 00:47:00,387
Speaker 16: to think myself, Oh, I can't wait till I'm finished playing.

914
00:47:00,427 --> 00:47:03,147
Speaker 16: I'll drink and eat pies. And then you know, you

915
00:47:03,187 --> 00:47:05,507
Speaker 16: wake up and all of a sudden, a month into

916
00:47:05,587 --> 00:47:08,107
Speaker 16: this new freedom, and you're like, she's an't I supposed

917
00:47:08,107 --> 00:47:10,427
Speaker 16: to be somewhere or where's my next training? You know?

918
00:47:10,547 --> 00:47:12,147
Speaker 3: And I can eat what I want or I can

919
00:47:12,227 --> 00:47:12,907
Speaker 3: drink what I want, you.

920
00:47:12,907 --> 00:47:15,707
Speaker 16: Know, And all of a sudden, you know, the structure

921
00:47:15,747 --> 00:47:17,787
Speaker 16: of life is tough to get hold of. And then

922
00:47:18,107 --> 00:47:20,867
Speaker 16: you're not being around guys, and then going through you

923
00:47:20,907 --> 00:47:22,507
Speaker 16: feel isolated and like.

924
00:47:22,507 --> 00:47:24,347
Speaker 3: He's killing males being what they are.

925
00:47:24,387 --> 00:47:26,347
Speaker 16: We don't bring up each other and go, geez's struggle

926
00:47:26,347 --> 00:47:27,907
Speaker 16: because I don't know what to do now, you know,

927
00:47:28,067 --> 00:47:31,187
Speaker 16: And and then you know, getting into the real world.

928
00:47:31,227 --> 00:47:34,587
Speaker 16: I mean, you're yourself for a reason why my cushion

929
00:47:34,667 --> 00:47:36,107
Speaker 16: was a lot softer because you got.

930
00:47:35,987 --> 00:47:36,427
Speaker 3: Me a job.

931
00:47:36,467 --> 00:47:39,907
Speaker 16: But there are guys, and I know, for six months

932
00:47:39,947 --> 00:47:41,467
Speaker 16: I was thinking what am I going to do? You know,

933
00:47:41,627 --> 00:47:43,907
Speaker 16: And I know the guys that really struggle. And you

934
00:47:43,947 --> 00:47:46,067
Speaker 16: talk about the paycheck and we are blessed with the

935
00:47:46,067 --> 00:47:47,707
Speaker 16: paycheck we get while playing. But then all of a

936
00:47:47,747 --> 00:47:50,267
Speaker 16: sudden you get used to that, and your family and

937
00:47:50,267 --> 00:47:51,827
Speaker 16: your wives and all that get used to it too,

938
00:47:51,867 --> 00:47:54,787
Speaker 16: and all that becomes a factor. So no, it's an

939
00:47:54,787 --> 00:47:58,027
Speaker 16: interesting time, and yeah, things like the classics all that.

940
00:47:58,107 --> 00:47:59,907
Speaker 16: It's not going to solve all the problems. It's just

941
00:47:59,907 --> 00:48:01,587
Speaker 16: still a nice way for guys to get together and

942
00:48:01,707 --> 00:48:03,987
Speaker 16: actually be open about it and talk about it and go, yeah,

943
00:48:04,147 --> 00:48:06,227
Speaker 16: she's a bit difficult in what you can you help

944
00:48:06,267 --> 00:48:08,867
Speaker 16: me shover out? So I've got to I've got a

945
00:48:08,867 --> 00:48:11,907
Speaker 16: little business at the moment, which you know, we strugg along,

946
00:48:11,907 --> 00:48:15,267
Speaker 16: but like one of our employees, or the only employee

947
00:48:15,307 --> 00:48:17,027
Speaker 16: we've got, is one of my great old teammates from

948
00:48:17,067 --> 00:48:19,107
Speaker 16: down these ways. So it's it's cool about I do

949
00:48:19,147 --> 00:48:19,907
Speaker 16: that sort of stuff.

950
00:48:19,707 --> 00:48:20,667
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, brilliant stuff.

951
00:48:20,667 --> 00:48:22,827
Speaker 5: I want to talk about your your current exploits and

952
00:48:22,867 --> 00:48:26,347
Speaker 5: your and your things you're involved in. Shortly, but it's

953
00:48:26,427 --> 00:48:30,187
Speaker 5: there a day that goes by when someone doesn't remind

954
00:48:30,227 --> 00:48:33,107
Speaker 5: you about the twenty third of October twenty eleven.

955
00:48:34,467 --> 00:48:38,667
Speaker 16: It's funny you get asked that, and.

956
00:48:37,387 --> 00:48:42,467
Speaker 3: And the reality is probably not no, it's yeah, it's yeah.

957
00:48:42,467 --> 00:48:44,947
Speaker 16: I guess it's just become so normal now that there's

958
00:48:44,987 --> 00:48:47,507
Speaker 16: always that sort of that sort of people and the

959
00:48:47,907 --> 00:48:49,987
Speaker 16: you know, like people go, oh, do you get sick

960
00:48:49,987 --> 00:48:53,267
Speaker 16: of it? There's two things about like a it's a

961
00:48:53,307 --> 00:48:53,867
Speaker 16: lot better.

962
00:48:53,667 --> 00:48:55,187
Speaker 3: Than being reminded about Hong Kong every day.

963
00:48:55,507 --> 00:49:01,107
Speaker 16: And secondly, and secondly, when those people come up and

964
00:49:01,147 --> 00:49:03,547
Speaker 16: talk to you, it's the first time that they've ever

965
00:49:03,627 --> 00:49:07,067
Speaker 16: seen you or been the opportunity. Like some of the

966
00:49:07,147 --> 00:49:11,507
Speaker 16: stories I've heard from people are unbelievable as far as

967
00:49:12,507 --> 00:49:15,267
Speaker 16: what either meant to them or where they were or

968
00:49:15,307 --> 00:49:16,867
Speaker 16: like I ran into somebody.

969
00:49:17,027 --> 00:49:18,107
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think where I was.

970
00:49:18,147 --> 00:49:20,707
Speaker 16: I was overseas somewhere and I ran into one of

971
00:49:20,747 --> 00:49:23,507
Speaker 16: our true heroes, which is somebody who's in our army,

972
00:49:24,107 --> 00:49:27,267
Speaker 16: and he told me that how he watched the game.

973
00:49:27,387 --> 00:49:29,707
Speaker 16: They watched it six hours after us because they were

974
00:49:29,987 --> 00:49:32,827
Speaker 16: serving over in wherever the war was at the time,

975
00:49:33,107 --> 00:49:36,507
Speaker 16: Afghanistan or what have you, and they got it. They

976
00:49:36,947 --> 00:49:38,707
Speaker 16: knew when it was on, but they had to get

977
00:49:38,747 --> 00:49:41,547
Speaker 16: it taken up to them on some sort of device

978
00:49:41,947 --> 00:49:45,627
Speaker 16: through like what what do they call those in the army,

979
00:49:45,787 --> 00:49:50,147
Speaker 16: sort of convoys or whatever, and dropping off the tape

980
00:49:50,147 --> 00:49:51,467
Speaker 16: of the game, dropping off the tape of the game.

981
00:49:51,467 --> 00:49:53,187
Speaker 16: And when this guy told me that, I mean I

982
00:49:53,187 --> 00:49:55,187
Speaker 16: was probably a few years deep at the time, by

983
00:49:55,227 --> 00:49:56,907
Speaker 16: tell what, it sobered me up. When you when you

984
00:49:56,947 --> 00:49:58,987
Speaker 16: hear that sort of story in the reality of it,

985
00:49:59,067 --> 00:50:02,467
Speaker 16: and and I guess again highlights the fact that what

986
00:50:02,467 --> 00:50:04,467
Speaker 16: what the what the sport and the team means to

987
00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:07,467
Speaker 16: this country. And when you hear things like that, mate,

988
00:50:07,507 --> 00:50:10,067
Speaker 16: you can't help. But you know, if it's five minutes

989
00:50:10,107 --> 00:50:12,547
Speaker 16: out of your day, then so be it, because it's

990
00:50:12,587 --> 00:50:14,307
Speaker 16: always cool to hear people's excitement for it.

991
00:50:14,907 --> 00:50:17,987
Speaker 5: Were you actually white baiting or has that story been exaggerated.

992
00:50:18,467 --> 00:50:20,547
Speaker 16: Oh look at you know, a lot of a lot

993
00:50:20,587 --> 00:50:23,467
Speaker 16: of my friends trying and say, were you or were

994
00:50:23,467 --> 00:50:25,027
Speaker 16: you just trying to make a quick buck from the

995
00:50:25,067 --> 00:50:27,347
Speaker 16: next movie or something, But no, it's it's true.

996
00:50:27,387 --> 00:50:29,747
Speaker 3: Or was white bating down the river.

997
00:50:30,187 --> 00:50:33,987
Speaker 16: With my great mate Douggie, And I like, the river's

998
00:50:33,987 --> 00:50:36,307
Speaker 16: got pretty good reception these daysn't it. But that part

999
00:50:36,307 --> 00:50:38,747
Speaker 16: of it is still to this day hasn't been covered

1000
00:50:38,747 --> 00:50:41,027
Speaker 16: by any of the any of the towers.

1001
00:50:41,787 --> 00:50:42,307
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I was.

1002
00:50:42,627 --> 00:50:45,707
Speaker 16: I was none the wise, And you know, I went

1003
00:50:45,787 --> 00:50:49,947
Speaker 16: down there that day having no information but thinking, shit,

1004
00:50:50,027 --> 00:50:53,947
Speaker 16: it's not me then who you know? So obviously you'd

1005
00:50:53,947 --> 00:50:55,867
Speaker 16: already been an injury and you'd had a glimmer of hope.

1006
00:50:55,907 --> 00:50:58,067
Speaker 16: But my great mate Cruds had got caught on ahead

1007
00:50:58,067 --> 00:51:01,587
Speaker 16: of me there on that one, And yeah I had,

1008
00:51:01,747 --> 00:51:04,947
Speaker 16: I had hopes. But at the time Pitty was gold kicking.

1009
00:51:05,067 --> 00:51:08,667
Speaker 16: Petty had also the ability probably cover ten if need be.

1010
00:51:09,867 --> 00:51:12,547
Speaker 16: And I don't know how deep the Hong Kong fall

1011
00:51:12,587 --> 00:51:14,707
Speaker 16: out ran with the coaches, you know, like they say,

1012
00:51:15,307 --> 00:51:18,867
Speaker 16: I mean on yours gone from the early announcements, But

1013
00:51:19,187 --> 00:51:21,227
Speaker 16: did it mean that if they were down to number three?

1014
00:51:21,867 --> 00:51:22,987
Speaker 3: Was I still gone gone.

1015
00:51:23,347 --> 00:51:26,707
Speaker 16: So I went down there, have no ambition or thought

1016
00:51:26,947 --> 00:51:28,227
Speaker 16: of being a part of it.

1017
00:51:29,227 --> 00:51:33,147
Speaker 5: Well, it's, as I say, part of our folklore, something that, yeah,

1018
00:51:33,467 --> 00:51:36,347
Speaker 5: I'm sure you'll be reminded of for many years to come.

1019
00:51:36,387 --> 00:51:37,627
Speaker 2: Can we bring it to the present day?

1020
00:51:37,707 --> 00:51:37,907
Speaker 3: Yep.

1021
00:51:38,107 --> 00:51:39,947
Speaker 5: You're close with many of these Chiefs boys. Can ask

1022
00:51:39,947 --> 00:51:41,907
Speaker 5: you about a couple of them. Anton Lenet Brown Yep.

1023
00:51:41,947 --> 00:51:44,227
Speaker 5: First test of the year after coming back from injury,

1024
00:51:44,267 --> 00:51:47,067
Speaker 5: his eighty six tests, and we know he can play

1025
00:51:47,107 --> 00:51:50,227
Speaker 5: twelve or thirteen? What is his best roll beef to

1026
00:51:50,227 --> 00:51:52,867
Speaker 5: play with it? All Blacks twelve, thirteen or twenty three?

1027
00:51:53,267 --> 00:51:56,867
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean the first thing that strikes you that

1028
00:51:56,947 --> 00:51:59,307
Speaker 16: I reckon creeps up on it crept up on me

1029
00:51:59,667 --> 00:52:01,107
Speaker 16: when I looked at it the start of the year.

1030
00:52:01,227 --> 00:52:03,587
Speaker 16: Was you just set his number eighty six. If you're

1031
00:52:03,587 --> 00:52:06,427
Speaker 16: an eighty six test All Black, you are something. And

1032
00:52:07,147 --> 00:52:09,747
Speaker 16: I remember, first of all, I when I came back

1033
00:52:09,747 --> 00:52:11,747
Speaker 16: from Japan, I walked out on a big contract and

1034
00:52:11,827 --> 00:52:14,027
Speaker 16: I was I've regretted ever since with my paycheck.

1035
00:52:14,067 --> 00:52:15,187
Speaker 7: But I.

1036
00:52:17,147 --> 00:52:19,387
Speaker 16: Came back and just played white Kadow and then picked

1037
00:52:19,467 --> 00:52:22,827
Speaker 16: up another Chiefs turn. And I remember first training I

1038
00:52:22,867 --> 00:52:24,587
Speaker 16: ever went too, And obviously there was a lot of

1039
00:52:24,667 --> 00:52:27,667
Speaker 16: hype around the guy with blonde hair and a cheeky

1040
00:52:27,747 --> 00:52:29,107
Speaker 16: smile and we'll.

1041
00:52:29,027 --> 00:52:29,427
Speaker 2: Get to him.

1042
00:52:29,467 --> 00:52:31,387
Speaker 16: And there was also a bit of high pround this midfielder.

1043
00:52:31,667 --> 00:52:34,427
Speaker 16: And I had about two or three trainings with him

1044
00:52:34,547 --> 00:52:38,187
Speaker 16: then from Barras Soap, and I thought, I literally thought

1045
00:52:38,187 --> 00:52:45,227
Speaker 16: Conrad Smith straight away, and from from a engine point

1046
00:52:45,267 --> 00:52:47,547
Speaker 16: of view, like to play in the midfield and to

1047
00:52:47,587 --> 00:52:49,507
Speaker 16: play like Conrad that you need a big engine, and

1048
00:52:49,507 --> 00:52:53,627
Speaker 16: Conrad had that. Anton's got a massive engine, an intelligent

1049
00:52:53,667 --> 00:52:56,267
Speaker 16: football even at a young age, and just the way

1050
00:52:56,347 --> 00:52:59,547
Speaker 16: he's he's not one of your typical explosive midfielders, but

1051
00:52:59,627 --> 00:53:02,507
Speaker 16: he's a very safe pair of hands. He's very clever

1052
00:53:02,587 --> 00:53:05,187
Speaker 16: on defense. And that's what I just thought, straight a

1053
00:53:05,267 --> 00:53:08,347
Speaker 16: Conrad Smith to Anton, he probably offers a bit more

1054
00:53:08,387 --> 00:53:11,187
Speaker 16: than Conrad Wood on attack. Like if you ever get

1055
00:53:11,187 --> 00:53:14,827
Speaker 16: to see Anton close up, he's a big body, just

1056
00:53:14,907 --> 00:53:17,347
Speaker 16: probably doesn't come across set as that explosive guy. So

1057
00:53:17,867 --> 00:53:20,947
Speaker 16: for me, I'm excited by seeing him tonight. I think

1058
00:53:21,107 --> 00:53:24,147
Speaker 16: from what we've seen this year, maybe that thirteen jersey

1059
00:53:24,707 --> 00:53:27,787
Speaker 16: is available for the first time in a long time,

1060
00:53:28,347 --> 00:53:31,267
Speaker 16: and for Anton who we've mentioned. He's played eighty six

1061
00:53:31,387 --> 00:53:33,947
Speaker 16: tests apart from when he first came in, which was

1062
00:53:33,987 --> 00:53:37,947
Speaker 16: through necessity. He came in very young because he was

1063
00:53:37,947 --> 00:53:40,667
Speaker 16: a replacement lots of midfield injuries, and he had a

1064
00:53:41,027 --> 00:53:43,027
Speaker 16: quite a long run at twelve that very first year.

1065
00:53:44,267 --> 00:53:48,107
Speaker 16: He's not had a prolonged run. I don't think he's

1066
00:53:48,147 --> 00:53:50,627
Speaker 16: always been that guy that can cover every position. And

1067
00:53:50,667 --> 00:53:55,947
Speaker 16: that's so for him, best position pinely like twelve. I

1068
00:53:55,987 --> 00:53:59,667
Speaker 16: think sown up like Jordy bout rightfully so vice captain

1069
00:53:59,707 --> 00:54:00,307
Speaker 16: of the All backs.

1070
00:54:00,347 --> 00:54:01,347
Speaker 3: He ain't going anywhere.

1071
00:54:01,707 --> 00:54:04,947
Speaker 16: So for Anton, big opportunity tonight and hopefully in the

1072
00:54:04,947 --> 00:54:07,427
Speaker 16: coming weeks to say hate what about me is the

1073
00:54:07,507 --> 00:54:08,107
Speaker 16: starting option?

1074
00:54:08,907 --> 00:54:10,867
Speaker 5: What about the blonde head guy with the cheeky smile

1075
00:54:11,187 --> 00:54:13,587
Speaker 5: he gets to start tonight Damien McKenzie at first five?

1076
00:54:14,627 --> 00:54:17,027
Speaker 5: Is there a genuine head to head going on here

1077
00:54:17,067 --> 00:54:18,987
Speaker 5: between him and Bowden Barrett? Or do you think a

1078
00:54:18,987 --> 00:54:20,707
Speaker 5: pecking order has been established?

1079
00:54:21,227 --> 00:54:22,227
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one.

1080
00:54:22,507 --> 00:54:27,187
Speaker 16: I mean prior to the prior to a quarter final,

1081
00:54:27,227 --> 00:54:31,507
Speaker 16: hair Blues chiefs, I would have said, this is Damien's time.

1082
00:54:31,907 --> 00:54:33,827
Speaker 16: We've just got to go in on Damien. He will

1083
00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:36,147
Speaker 16: be the man, you know, And this is just ignoring

1084
00:54:36,187 --> 00:54:38,627
Speaker 16: the fact of whatever Richie does, Richie does. But I

1085
00:54:38,667 --> 00:54:39,947
Speaker 16: just thought, if he's going to be a man for

1086
00:54:39,947 --> 00:54:42,827
Speaker 16: twenty twenty seven, then I thought they missed an opportunity

1087
00:54:42,907 --> 00:54:46,107
Speaker 16: last year by fluffing around with him and not backing

1088
00:54:46,187 --> 00:54:50,147
Speaker 16: him where now Body, I was live that day, and

1089
00:54:50,187 --> 00:54:53,187
Speaker 16: Body showed everything that you'd expect from our first five

1090
00:54:53,187 --> 00:54:54,747
Speaker 16: of one hundred and fifty all Black games, you know,

1091
00:54:54,907 --> 00:54:57,467
Speaker 16: and has experienced to bring down the Chiefs with that

1092
00:54:57,587 --> 00:54:59,507
Speaker 16: Blues team that night. Then he went very around in

1093
00:54:59,507 --> 00:55:03,067
Speaker 16: that semi final, and I've really enjoyed the way Body's

1094
00:55:03,067 --> 00:55:05,227
Speaker 16: gone about conducting things in the last sort of couple

1095
00:55:05,267 --> 00:55:07,347
Speaker 16: of weeks. So I think there is a picking order.

1096
00:55:07,387 --> 00:55:08,867
Speaker 16: I think there's no hiding from the fact. I think

1097
00:55:08,867 --> 00:55:11,747
Speaker 16: Body's number one, and it's his jersey well and truly

1098
00:55:11,787 --> 00:55:15,547
Speaker 16: at the moment, which I guess lends itself to think, right,

1099
00:55:15,587 --> 00:55:18,307
Speaker 16: how are you going to use Damien McKenzie and still

1100
00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:21,827
Speaker 16: and I lose track of his numbers, But again, he's

1101
00:55:21,827 --> 00:55:24,227
Speaker 16: been around for a long time now, and obviously always

1102
00:55:24,267 --> 00:55:26,707
Speaker 16: treat those two particular because they're business pardners as young

1103
00:55:26,747 --> 00:55:29,747
Speaker 16: little bloody boys. But the fact is that they're very

1104
00:55:29,747 --> 00:55:33,547
Speaker 16: experienced guys now and I still don't think we've nurtured

1105
00:55:33,787 --> 00:55:36,107
Speaker 16: Damien's role. If he is going to be a bench player,

1106
00:55:36,587 --> 00:55:38,827
Speaker 16: he could be the world's best bench player. You know,

1107
00:55:39,187 --> 00:55:42,147
Speaker 16: he's no doubt about that in my mind. So what

1108
00:55:42,187 --> 00:55:44,707
Speaker 16: have we got to do to make that happen? You know, like,

1109
00:55:44,747 --> 00:55:46,707
Speaker 16: do we need to be committed to bringing him on

1110
00:55:46,987 --> 00:55:49,587
Speaker 16: for a certain time? And you know, because for me,

1111
00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:53,187
Speaker 16: I would have thought, there's nothing more scary from an

1112
00:55:53,187 --> 00:55:55,027
Speaker 16: opposition point of view. If you can bring on a

1113
00:55:55,107 --> 00:55:58,547
Speaker 16: Damien McKenzie when you've had fifty five sixty minutes of

1114
00:55:58,547 --> 00:56:00,307
Speaker 16: the All Blacks playing at a tempo that they are

1115
00:56:00,387 --> 00:56:03,867
Speaker 16: now and then on there's no rest, this thing's coming

1116
00:56:03,907 --> 00:56:07,227
Speaker 16: on and his first thought and second and third boarders

1117
00:56:07,267 --> 00:56:09,467
Speaker 16: to run. Then I think that's an exciting prospect of

1118
00:56:09,467 --> 00:56:09,947
Speaker 16: the All Backs.

1119
00:56:10,027 --> 00:56:12,187
Speaker 5: I totally agree, Beef, I totally And that was Boden

1120
00:56:12,227 --> 00:56:14,267
Speaker 5: Barratt's role to play, all right, And you know up

1121
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Speaker 5: to the twenty fifteen.

1122
00:56:14,987 --> 00:56:16,507
Speaker 16: Will came and he was the best bench player we've

1123
00:56:16,547 --> 00:56:18,387
Speaker 16: ever seen. Yeah, we're about a shadow of it out.

1124
00:56:18,867 --> 00:56:21,627
Speaker 16: He did a bit of an anyone. So Damien physically

1125
00:56:21,987 --> 00:56:24,987
Speaker 16: and attribute wise, he's got everything body hair, so why

1126
00:56:25,027 --> 00:56:26,627
Speaker 16: can't he come on and be that guy too and

1127
00:56:26,867 --> 00:56:30,667
Speaker 16: that difference maker. We don't need to have women's seven

1128
00:56:30,787 --> 00:56:32,907
Speaker 16: giants come off the bench and call it a bomb squad.

1129
00:56:33,347 --> 00:56:35,267
Speaker 16: We can bring on these guys who can turn a

1130
00:56:35,267 --> 00:56:35,867
Speaker 16: game our way.

1131
00:56:35,907 --> 00:56:40,187
Speaker 5: You know, between Damien and Anton the seven and Quintin

1132
00:56:40,227 --> 00:56:42,227
Speaker 5: pie back in the All Blacks twelve jersey.

1133
00:56:42,747 --> 00:56:45,107
Speaker 2: Given the three years he said, how cool is this man?

1134
00:56:45,387 --> 00:56:46,387
Speaker 3: It's a brilliant story.

1135
00:56:46,427 --> 00:56:48,947
Speaker 16: Obviously we all know the injury and how it happened

1136
00:56:48,947 --> 00:56:51,787
Speaker 16: and cut him down when he was essentially starting twelve.

1137
00:56:51,827 --> 00:56:54,547
Speaker 16: He was at a young age and they say with

1138
00:56:54,627 --> 00:56:57,067
Speaker 16: those knees injuries that it does take a while.

1139
00:56:57,227 --> 00:56:59,187
Speaker 3: Even when you're back, you're not truly back.

1140
00:56:59,467 --> 00:57:01,867
Speaker 16: You know, you've got to get feel free about and

1141
00:57:01,867 --> 00:57:03,787
Speaker 16: all the rest of at him and this year, like

1142
00:57:03,827 --> 00:57:07,347
Speaker 16: I mean, I actually said on another bloody platform that

1143
00:57:07,627 --> 00:57:10,187
Speaker 16: last year I thought he was getting stuffed.

1144
00:57:09,907 --> 00:57:10,787
Speaker 3: Around by the Chiefs.

1145
00:57:10,987 --> 00:57:12,627
Speaker 16: And even as a proud Chiefs man, I said, get

1146
00:57:12,667 --> 00:57:16,147
Speaker 16: this guy out of here. For Quinn's career, go behind us.

1147
00:57:16,387 --> 00:57:18,067
Speaker 16: You know they would love you down there. Now they've

1148
00:57:18,067 --> 00:57:20,867
Speaker 16: got a pretty good twelve themselves, but you know, he

1149
00:57:20,947 --> 00:57:23,067
Speaker 16: needed to be starting, and I thought he was getting

1150
00:57:23,067 --> 00:57:27,307
Speaker 16: stuffed around here by the Chiefs. But this year, obviously,

1151
00:57:27,547 --> 00:57:29,427
Speaker 16: I just think maybe his confidence has come back.

1152
00:57:29,827 --> 00:57:31,667
Speaker 3: He's physically a lot better, and.

1153
00:57:32,587 --> 00:57:35,307
Speaker 16: I've always wanted him in this sort of setup, and

1154
00:57:35,907 --> 00:57:39,147
Speaker 16: for the Chiefs too, because simply he reminds me a

1155
00:57:39,147 --> 00:57:41,107
Speaker 16: bit of Oamrpi and I don't think we've had all

1156
00:57:41,107 --> 00:57:43,547
Speaker 16: our Marpie since Lamapi, and I think that's been a

1157
00:57:43,547 --> 00:57:46,547
Speaker 16: missing ingredient in our midfield. I liked the idea of

1158
00:57:46,587 --> 00:57:51,707
Speaker 16: a contrast, but Quinn this year is offered and showed

1159
00:57:51,747 --> 00:57:53,747
Speaker 16: that he's a lot more than just a basher. He's

1160
00:57:53,827 --> 00:57:56,347
Speaker 16: got subtleties of his kicking game, his passing game. And

1161
00:57:56,387 --> 00:58:00,427
Speaker 16: I also think, and any ten will tell you, there's

1162
00:58:01,107 --> 00:58:03,627
Speaker 16: twelves that they play better with, and it might not

1163
00:58:03,667 --> 00:58:06,067
Speaker 16: be the best twelve they've played with, but they do

1164
00:58:06,227 --> 00:58:09,147
Speaker 16: just some towels fit you like a glove. And I

1165
00:58:09,187 --> 00:58:13,147
Speaker 16: just think Quinn and Damien were all together, and I

1166
00:58:13,147 --> 00:58:15,547
Speaker 16: think Damien often plays his bits footy, So for me,

1167
00:58:15,667 --> 00:58:18,467
Speaker 16: that shows that Quinn's a great communicator, because a ten

1168
00:58:18,587 --> 00:58:21,467
Speaker 16: playing well is usually a result of having a great

1169
00:58:21,507 --> 00:58:22,667
Speaker 16: communicator outside them.

1170
00:58:22,907 --> 00:58:24,747
Speaker 5: How do you feel the All Blacks are placed what

1171
00:58:24,827 --> 00:58:27,467
Speaker 5: will be three games into year or two of a

1172
00:58:27,507 --> 00:58:30,427
Speaker 5: World Cup cycle. After tonight, can you make an assessment

1173
00:58:30,427 --> 00:58:33,147
Speaker 5: on how we're placed heading towards twenty twenty seven?

1174
00:58:33,667 --> 00:58:35,547
Speaker 3: Probably not, Probably not towards twenty twenty seven.

1175
00:58:35,587 --> 00:58:39,627
Speaker 16: But what I do like compared to last year is

1176
00:58:40,907 --> 00:58:45,707
Speaker 16: the style and the intent that they're playing with. And

1177
00:58:45,787 --> 00:58:48,067
Speaker 16: I don't want to sound like a cheerleader, but I

1178
00:58:48,107 --> 00:58:49,947
Speaker 16: am a cheerleader for the way that they're playing.

1179
00:58:50,147 --> 00:58:52,187
Speaker 3: You know, Like last year.

1180
00:58:52,067 --> 00:58:54,507
Speaker 16: As Proud in New Zealander and All Black fan as

1181
00:58:54,547 --> 00:58:57,147
Speaker 16: I am, I found it tough to be positive and

1182
00:58:57,227 --> 00:58:59,147
Speaker 16: tough to enjoy it because I just felt that we

1183
00:58:59,147 --> 00:59:03,227
Speaker 16: were I think we were chasing the opposite the other countries.

1184
00:59:03,427 --> 00:59:06,227
Speaker 16: You know, we were seeing these Northern Hemisy teams have

1185
00:59:06,347 --> 00:59:08,547
Speaker 16: success and we were thinking, oh, we need to copy that. Well,

1186
00:59:08,547 --> 00:59:11,587
Speaker 16: that's arrogantly or whatever. That's not our way, you know,

1187
00:59:11,667 --> 00:59:14,587
Speaker 16: like we play our way. And I just think the

1188
00:59:14,707 --> 00:59:18,107
Speaker 16: last two weeks has shown I think the rugby public

1189
00:59:18,147 --> 00:59:21,107
Speaker 16: and anyone watching is that I think we're starting to

1190
00:59:21,187 --> 00:59:23,587
Speaker 16: realize that we're never going to be South Africa, but

1191
00:59:23,627 --> 00:59:24,907
Speaker 16: we don't want to be South Africa.

1192
00:59:25,347 --> 00:59:27,267
Speaker 3: We're never going to be Island or England. You know

1193
00:59:27,467 --> 00:59:28,027
Speaker 3: we want to be.

1194
00:59:28,627 --> 00:59:30,507
Speaker 16: We've been the best rugby team in the world for

1195
00:59:30,547 --> 00:59:32,427
Speaker 16: one hundred years for a reason, because they've played like

1196
00:59:32,467 --> 00:59:34,587
Speaker 16: we play. And I just think the last couple of

1197
00:59:34,627 --> 00:59:37,787
Speaker 16: weeks you've seen a endeavor to play with more tempo.

1198
00:59:38,427 --> 00:59:42,067
Speaker 3: You've seen an endeavor to be more attacking.

1199
00:59:41,747 --> 00:59:44,707
Speaker 16: From all parts of the field, and some of the

1200
00:59:44,707 --> 00:59:47,907
Speaker 16: best attacking teams of a most you kick the most,

1201
00:59:48,507 --> 00:59:50,827
Speaker 16: but you've got to kick in a way that you

1202
00:59:50,947 --> 00:59:53,547
Speaker 16: still got the option to attack. And I just felt

1203
00:59:53,667 --> 00:59:56,387
Speaker 16: last year we were kicking and you knew of our kicking.

1204
00:59:56,387 --> 00:59:57,987
Speaker 16: I knew of our kicking, and the guy one hundred

1205
00:59:57,987 --> 00:59:59,547
Speaker 16: meters away, I knew our kicking and the drunk guy

1206
00:59:59,667 --> 01:00:01,667
Speaker 16: five ks down the road and you've are kicking where

1207
01:00:01,747 --> 01:00:03,907
Speaker 16: this year. I just think they've got a lot more

1208
01:00:04,107 --> 01:00:06,067
Speaker 16: threat to their game and I'm loving watching it.

1209
01:00:06,827 --> 01:00:08,747
Speaker 5: Just to just to finish. I know you've got lots

1210
01:00:08,787 --> 01:00:11,187
Speaker 5: going on. Are you on the Sky team tonight and

1211
01:00:11,347 --> 01:00:14,587
Speaker 5: loving your commentary? You're analysis part of the breakdown and everything.

1212
01:00:15,027 --> 01:00:17,587
Speaker 5: What about Grins, You've got the Grins jacket on. They're

1213
01:00:17,587 --> 01:00:19,827
Speaker 5: still going strong? Is it your your drink brand.

1214
01:00:19,947 --> 01:00:22,547
Speaker 16: Yeah, we've got myself and Damien and Anton and a

1215
01:00:22,547 --> 01:00:23,867
Speaker 16: couple other silent partners.

1216
01:00:23,867 --> 01:00:25,987
Speaker 3: We've got our We've got our Grim's drink band, which.

1217
01:00:25,827 --> 01:00:28,547
Speaker 16: Is an RTD, which I never touched an RTD before

1218
01:00:28,547 --> 01:00:30,387
Speaker 16: we started the brand. But you got to keep up

1219
01:00:30,427 --> 01:00:33,107
Speaker 16: with the trends, they say. So now we've got that

1220
01:00:33,467 --> 01:00:35,387
Speaker 16: and if it's and if it's not in your bottle store,

1221
01:00:35,387 --> 01:00:37,267
Speaker 16: then you're not buying from a good bottle store.

1222
01:00:38,507 --> 01:00:39,907
Speaker 3: And so yeah, we're chucking along.

1223
01:00:39,947 --> 01:00:41,547
Speaker 16: As a tough market, there's a lot of these overseas

1224
01:00:41,547 --> 01:00:43,707
Speaker 16: companies coming in and making it extremely tough for us

1225
01:00:44,147 --> 01:00:45,627
Speaker 16: little kV companies to survive.

1226
01:00:45,747 --> 01:00:46,907
Speaker 3: But we're boxing on.

1227
01:00:48,147 --> 01:00:50,587
Speaker 16: I've got many roles in there, including the delivery driver,

1228
01:00:50,787 --> 01:00:54,867
Speaker 16: the CEO, the marketing manager and and warehouse packer. But

1229
01:00:55,867 --> 01:00:58,667
Speaker 16: it's been it's been good. I mean we're actually looking

1230
01:00:58,667 --> 01:01:00,867
Speaker 16: overseas and seeing if we can get any footholds here.

1231
01:01:00,907 --> 01:01:03,947
Speaker 16: So it's it's certainly been an interesting dip into a

1232
01:01:03,987 --> 01:01:04,547
Speaker 16: business world.

1233
01:01:04,627 --> 01:01:06,587
Speaker 2: Good man, And I mean, how are you staying fit

1234
01:01:06,627 --> 01:01:07,707
Speaker 2: because you haven't blown out?

1235
01:01:07,747 --> 01:01:07,907
Speaker 3: Man?

1236
01:01:08,107 --> 01:01:09,227
Speaker 2: What are you doing to stay first?

1237
01:01:09,507 --> 01:01:11,867
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a great sleeper, so I've utilized that.

1238
01:01:11,947 --> 01:01:14,187
Speaker 16: So I get up at about a quarter five every

1239
01:01:14,187 --> 01:01:16,747
Speaker 16: morning and just do something be it. I go, I

1240
01:01:16,827 --> 01:01:19,427
Speaker 16: go for a run on the dark, cold streets, A

1241
01:01:19,507 --> 01:01:21,627
Speaker 16: oake you for half an hour. Or I've got a

1242
01:01:21,627 --> 01:01:23,507
Speaker 16: bit of home gym GiB and I go to half

1243
01:01:23,507 --> 01:01:27,067
Speaker 16: an hour, get that done before kids wake up, and

1244
01:01:26,587 --> 01:01:30,307
Speaker 16: then it's there. Turned to make me be a slave,

1245
01:01:30,667 --> 01:01:31,827
Speaker 16: I guess like I did my own.

1246
01:01:31,907 --> 01:01:34,267
Speaker 5: Paris Beaver's so good to see you, man, I could

1247
01:01:34,387 --> 01:01:35,627
Speaker 5: we could chat for a long time, and I know

1248
01:01:35,707 --> 01:01:36,507
Speaker 5: you good other commitments.

1249
01:01:36,547 --> 01:01:38,427
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your stopping down. Hey, mate, it's great

1250
01:01:38,467 --> 01:01:38,827
Speaker 2: to see you.

1251
01:01:38,947 --> 01:01:40,107
Speaker 3: She's piney. Great to be your mate.

1252
01:01:40,227 --> 01:01:43,027
Speaker 5: Stephen Donald Beaver to all of us, joining us here

1253
01:01:43,107 --> 01:01:46,067
Speaker 5: at the Roaming Giants seven eight nine he feet Terrace

1254
01:01:46,067 --> 01:01:48,707
Speaker 5: as we build towards kickoff tonight at five past seven

1255
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Speaker 1: Jason Pine and GJ Gardner Homes, New Zealand's most trusted

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Speaker 1: home builder.

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Speaker 5: News Talk bu awesome feedback on the chat with Stephen

1278
01:03:04,827 --> 01:03:08,707
Speaker 5: Donald on email from at Jason and Eden Park. At

1279
01:03:08,747 --> 01:03:11,307
Speaker 5: the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup, final. As Beaver came

1280
01:03:11,347 --> 01:03:14,267
Speaker 5: on the field, the crowd collectively must have realized he

1281
01:03:14,307 --> 01:03:16,747
Speaker 5: needed a boost in confidence, given he had been maligned

1282
01:03:17,147 --> 01:03:20,107
Speaker 5: since Hong Kong. The crowd erupted into a chart of

1283
01:03:20,227 --> 01:03:23,307
Speaker 5: Beaver Beaver, knowing that we needed this guy to do

1284
01:03:23,347 --> 01:03:25,947
Speaker 5: a job. It was brilliant and the rest is history.

1285
01:03:25,987 --> 01:03:30,147
Speaker 5: It is just, honestly one of the great sporting yarns

1286
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Speaker 5: of our time. Lots of other feedback coming through which

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Speaker 5: I'll get to.

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Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we haven't really talked about the All

1290
01:03:38,067 --> 01:03:39,267
Speaker 2: Blacks tonight, have we.

1291
01:03:38,947 --> 01:03:41,707
Speaker 5: We probably should do that at some point. What are

1292
01:03:41,747 --> 01:03:45,307
Speaker 5: you expecting or what are you hoping for? What will

1293
01:03:45,347 --> 01:03:49,707
Speaker 5: satisfy you tonight at the final whistle? Because the series

1294
01:03:49,747 --> 01:03:52,467
Speaker 5: has signed up, I think the smart money would be

1295
01:03:52,507 --> 01:03:55,147
Speaker 5: on an All Blacks three nail clean sweep. I just

1296
01:03:55,187 --> 01:03:57,387
Speaker 5: can't see that there will be anything other than another

1297
01:03:57,427 --> 01:03:59,867
Speaker 5: All Blacks victory tonight. I get the feeling they'll be

1298
01:03:59,947 --> 01:04:04,267
Speaker 5: at least as convincing as Wellington, and perhaps more.

1299
01:04:04,667 --> 01:04:05,707
Speaker 2: For a couple of reasons.

1300
01:04:05,747 --> 01:04:08,707
Speaker 5: One, the French just seem to me to be stumbling

1301
01:04:08,747 --> 01:04:11,467
Speaker 5: along towards the finish line. They've been in action for

1302
01:04:11,507 --> 01:04:14,147
Speaker 5: a year now. This is their end of season tour.

1303
01:04:14,947 --> 01:04:19,907
Speaker 5: They've had a very very long rugby year and it

1304
01:04:19,987 --> 01:04:21,387
Speaker 5: just feels to me as though they want to get

1305
01:04:21,387 --> 01:04:23,947
Speaker 5: on that plane, they want to get out of here. Look,

1306
01:04:23,987 --> 01:04:25,987
Speaker 5: they may well finish with a flourish and with the

1307
01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:29,107
Speaker 5: team being named, I think it might be perhaps, you know,

1308
01:04:29,227 --> 01:04:31,587
Speaker 5: a bit more like Dunedin than Wellington. But I honestly

1309
01:04:31,707 --> 01:04:33,427
Speaker 5: look at this All Blacks team and that's the second

1310
01:04:33,507 --> 01:04:36,827
Speaker 5: reason I think this. There are some hungry, hungry All

1311
01:04:36,867 --> 01:04:39,707
Speaker 5: Blacks in that team, players who have been waiting for

1312
01:04:39,747 --> 01:04:42,707
Speaker 5: an opportunity and tonight will get it.

1313
01:04:43,187 --> 01:04:44,627
Speaker 2: And some of them we talked about before.

1314
01:04:44,667 --> 01:04:48,907
Speaker 5: With Beef Quintupaire, he'll start a Test match for the

1315
01:04:48,947 --> 01:04:53,067
Speaker 5: first time since Dunedin in twenty twenty two. That has

1316
01:04:53,107 --> 01:04:56,307
Speaker 5: been that's how long it's been since Quintepires started a

1317
01:04:56,347 --> 01:04:58,347
Speaker 5: Test match and he'll start it at home the first

1318
01:04:58,387 --> 01:05:02,747
Speaker 5: time he's ever done that. Anton Lennet Brown. Anton Lennet Brown,

1319
01:05:02,787 --> 01:05:05,067
Speaker 5: what a player. I mean, he could be a real

1320
01:05:05,107 --> 01:05:08,827
Speaker 5: fulcrum in this midfield. Damien McKenzie, well, whenever dmac plays,

1321
01:05:09,107 --> 01:05:10,867
Speaker 5: you just don't know what's going to happen, do you?

1322
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:11,947
Speaker 2: But it could be brilliant.

1323
01:05:12,467 --> 01:05:17,467
Speaker 5: It could be running against some you know, slightly tired fringemen.

1324
01:05:17,547 --> 01:05:21,027
Speaker 2: It could be amazing. And then you know players coming

1325
01:05:21,067 --> 01:05:21,507
Speaker 2: off the bench.

1326
01:05:21,547 --> 01:05:24,427
Speaker 5: Brady McAllister is going to have his first chance to

1327
01:05:24,787 --> 01:05:28,507
Speaker 5: wear the black jersey. Reuben Love at fullback. That guy's

1328
01:05:28,547 --> 01:05:32,987
Speaker 5: been just waiting for an opportunity. So yeah, that's my feeling. Anyway,

1329
01:05:33,027 --> 01:05:35,347
Speaker 5: yours might be different. Are eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1330
01:05:35,667 --> 01:05:38,667
Speaker 5: If you would like to give us your thoughts, Let's

1331
01:05:38,707 --> 01:05:42,227
Speaker 5: go through a few of the texts here. Stephen Donald interview,

1332
01:05:42,267 --> 01:05:45,267
Speaker 5: great straight talk, none of the boring corporate speak we

1333
01:05:45,387 --> 01:05:47,867
Speaker 5: sometimes get from the All Blacks. Tell Stephen that the

1334
01:05:47,867 --> 01:05:51,027
Speaker 5: World Cup well and truly usurps Hong Kong. Yes, I'd

1335
01:05:51,547 --> 01:05:53,387
Speaker 5: probably probably knows that.

1336
01:05:53,787 --> 01:05:54,347
Speaker 2: And it's true.

1337
01:05:54,347 --> 01:05:58,067
Speaker 5: What I'm Beaver great comments, says this one great interview

1338
01:05:58,067 --> 01:06:00,507
Speaker 5: with Beaver. Jason clear respect between the two of you. Yeah,

1339
01:06:00,507 --> 01:06:02,707
Speaker 5: I mean I just really liked the guy. What a

1340
01:06:02,707 --> 01:06:04,907
Speaker 5: great discussion with Beaver says, and so down to earth

1341
01:06:04,947 --> 01:06:08,027
Speaker 5: and knowledgeable. Yes, he's both of those things. Jeremy says,

1342
01:06:08,027 --> 01:06:10,707
Speaker 5: This chat with Stephen's great. What a legend. The guy's

1343
01:06:10,707 --> 01:06:14,587
Speaker 5: an absolute character, says Henry. So yeah, it's been it's

1344
01:06:14,627 --> 01:06:17,747
Speaker 5: been great. It's been great to get the chance to chet.

1345
01:06:17,867 --> 01:06:19,587
Speaker 5: What happened in Hong Kong, says this one. I don't

1346
01:06:19,587 --> 01:06:22,827
Speaker 5: remember that. That was that Bledisloe Cup Test.

1347
01:06:23,627 --> 01:06:26,907
Speaker 2: In twenty ten from memory where.

1348
01:06:26,827 --> 01:06:29,867
Speaker 5: Beaver was he went to find touch and didn't find

1349
01:06:29,907 --> 01:06:32,347
Speaker 5: touch and Australia got the ball and came back and

1350
01:06:32,387 --> 01:06:34,907
Speaker 5: won the game. It was in October of twenty ten.

1351
01:06:35,547 --> 01:06:38,867
Speaker 5: They won at twenty six twenty four, and he was

1352
01:06:38,987 --> 01:06:42,867
Speaker 5: much maligned after that for not finding touch for goodness sake,

1353
01:06:43,027 --> 01:06:44,507
Speaker 5: and then of course the All Black said look, hey,

1354
01:06:44,547 --> 01:06:47,587
Speaker 5: we're going to move in a different direction and he

1355
01:06:48,067 --> 01:06:50,507
Speaker 5: dropped down the pecking order. But as we know in

1356
01:06:50,507 --> 01:06:55,187
Speaker 5: twenty eleven, Dan Carter, Colin Slade, Aaron Cruden and then

1357
01:06:55,227 --> 01:06:57,267
Speaker 5: Beaver of course coming off the bench in the final

1358
01:06:57,667 --> 01:07:00,987
Speaker 5: and kicking that goal which will forever be etched into

1359
01:07:01,187 --> 01:07:04,947
Speaker 5: our history. Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1360
01:07:04,987 --> 01:07:07,547
Speaker 5: our number. It's twenty five too. When you come to Hamilton,

1361
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:09,627
Speaker 5: it's amazing here you run into but I'm not amazed

1362
01:07:09,627 --> 01:07:12,507
Speaker 5: to run into this man. Minty our rugby commentator for

1363
01:07:12,867 --> 01:07:14,667
Speaker 5: Waikato and Chiefs matches.

1364
01:07:16,267 --> 01:07:18,787
Speaker 2: Does anyone even call you Graham anymore? Or is it just.

1365
01:07:18,787 --> 01:07:22,547
Speaker 18: Minty minty just about the whole time? Actually, Jason, if

1366
01:07:22,547 --> 01:07:25,907
Speaker 18: I introduce themself as Graham Mead, people go who's that? Yeah,

1367
01:07:25,907 --> 01:07:28,307
Speaker 18: who's that? But now it's been minty for thirty years,

1368
01:07:28,347 --> 01:07:30,627
Speaker 18: it probably will be for the next thirty Maybe.

1369
01:07:30,547 --> 01:07:32,627
Speaker 2: Haven't had a test test since twenty twenty two.

1370
01:07:32,947 --> 01:07:35,427
Speaker 5: That seems a long time between test matches for the

1371
01:07:35,547 --> 01:07:36,627
Speaker 5: fine people of the Tron.

1372
01:07:37,227 --> 01:07:40,707
Speaker 18: To be honest, Jason, that stadium is not big enough.

1373
01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:43,827
Speaker 18: We're just not returning the investment. The all Blacks need

1374
01:07:44,307 --> 01:07:46,787
Speaker 18: to make a dollar out of it. I think both

1375
01:07:46,787 --> 01:07:48,827
Speaker 18: tests should be an Auckland. I don't want to take

1376
01:07:48,827 --> 01:07:50,227
Speaker 18: it away from the cakeson, but if they want to

1377
01:07:50,227 --> 01:07:51,987
Speaker 18: make money, we've got a fill stands.

1378
01:07:51,987 --> 01:07:55,027
Speaker 5: But that's not the only consideration here. Surely it can't

1379
01:07:55,067 --> 01:07:56,867
Speaker 5: be the only consideration. And you said it with a

1380
01:07:56,867 --> 01:08:00,187
Speaker 5: twinkle in your eye, because f MG Stadium is a

1381
01:08:00,227 --> 01:08:02,267
Speaker 5: magnificent place to watch a game of rugby.

1382
01:08:02,347 --> 01:08:04,347
Speaker 18: It's the best gramm, it's the best ground on the world.

1383
01:08:04,347 --> 01:08:05,907
Speaker 2: Well, the grass is the best, Kja, I'll tell.

1384
01:08:05,787 --> 01:08:09,627
Speaker 18: You Okay, what do you call them? The lawn rangers?

1385
01:08:09,867 --> 01:08:12,147
Speaker 18: The grass is great, but look, it's a great stadium

1386
01:08:12,147 --> 01:08:14,107
Speaker 18: to watch at. It's a great stadium to go to.

1387
01:08:14,227 --> 01:08:16,587
Speaker 18: It's got a great atmosphere. You're right on the thing.

1388
01:08:16,667 --> 01:08:20,587
Speaker 18: But it's coming about money now, it's about return. I

1389
01:08:20,587 --> 01:08:22,707
Speaker 18: love being at efing Jets Home. For me, it's like

1390
01:08:22,787 --> 01:08:24,747
Speaker 18: you with the Caketon. It's the best place ever. But

1391
01:08:25,787 --> 01:08:27,707
Speaker 18: sometimes we've got to be realistic, don't we.

1392
01:08:27,707 --> 01:08:28,347
Speaker 2: Well, we do.

1393
01:08:28,667 --> 01:08:30,827
Speaker 5: And the other factor that's going to play a part

1394
01:08:30,867 --> 01:08:32,867
Speaker 5: in this. All the two factors is that there are

1395
01:08:32,867 --> 01:08:35,307
Speaker 5: going to be fewer test matches and we've got a

1396
01:08:35,347 --> 01:08:38,267
Speaker 5: brand new stadium in christ Church. Staff Well, you have

1397
01:08:38,347 --> 01:08:41,107
Speaker 5: to think take test matches, and probably deservedly so because

1398
01:08:41,107 --> 01:08:43,707
Speaker 5: the people of Christch haven't had much test rugby. It'll

1399
01:08:43,747 --> 01:08:45,947
Speaker 5: take test matches at least one per year. I said

1400
01:08:45,987 --> 01:08:47,907
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago. I think Dunedan should continue

1401
01:08:47,947 --> 01:08:50,267
Speaker 5: to host under the Roof in July because it's such

1402
01:08:50,307 --> 01:08:52,747
Speaker 5: a good ground Hamilton, though, I'm looking forward to getting

1403
01:08:52,787 --> 01:08:55,827
Speaker 5: there tonight. Because it is rectangular, it makes such a

1404
01:08:55,987 --> 01:08:57,307
Speaker 5: huge difference.

1405
01:08:57,387 --> 01:08:57,707
Speaker 3: It does.

1406
01:08:57,787 --> 01:09:00,267
Speaker 18: It's built for rugby, it's built for sport. It's built

1407
01:09:00,267 --> 01:09:02,067
Speaker 18: to be close. I love the place and look on

1408
01:09:02,347 --> 01:09:03,867
Speaker 18: it was a twinkle on my own and I said

1409
01:09:03,907 --> 01:09:06,267
Speaker 18: that if they take test matches away from Hamilton, I'll

1410
01:09:06,547 --> 01:09:09,547
Speaker 18: be depressed. I'll be sorry. But yeah, look it's my hometown.

1411
01:09:09,707 --> 01:09:12,547
Speaker 18: It's it's a place I'm very passionate about. It's it's

1412
01:09:12,587 --> 01:09:14,147
Speaker 18: just a neat place to be and it's neat to

1413
01:09:14,147 --> 01:09:16,067
Speaker 18: have you any exact years and it was great you

1414
01:09:16,227 --> 01:09:18,427
Speaker 18: featured on my show this one that was the coolest

1415
01:09:18,467 --> 01:09:20,507
Speaker 18: thing and signed the door. I've made it for life.

1416
01:09:21,107 --> 01:09:23,747
Speaker 5: I've signed the door at Zidby in Hamilton. That is

1417
01:09:23,947 --> 01:09:26,307
Speaker 5: a highlight for me too. When are the Chiefs going

1418
01:09:26,347 --> 01:09:27,307
Speaker 5: to win Super Rugby?

1419
01:09:28,547 --> 01:09:30,107
Speaker 18: I know want to answer this.

1420
01:09:31,267 --> 01:09:33,307
Speaker 3: It was this year and we got robbed.

1421
01:09:33,707 --> 01:09:35,747
Speaker 18: I think, no, it didn't. It was a great game.

1422
01:09:35,827 --> 01:09:37,787
Speaker 18: It was probably the best game of footing and Super rugby.

1423
01:09:37,827 --> 01:09:41,147
Speaker 18: I've seen the better team won on the day. We've

1424
01:09:41,187 --> 01:09:42,347
Speaker 18: been closed chasing.

1425
01:09:42,067 --> 01:09:43,827
Speaker 5: Yeah three times in the Grand final. The team this

1426
01:09:43,867 --> 01:09:46,547
Speaker 5: is the thing. What will it take to take that

1427
01:09:46,627 --> 01:09:47,347
Speaker 5: final step?

1428
01:09:47,707 --> 01:09:49,827
Speaker 18: I got no idea. Super Rugby is getting so damn

1429
01:09:49,827 --> 01:09:53,187
Speaker 18: good now that this year, you know, Hurricanes were sitting

1430
01:09:53,227 --> 01:09:55,427
Speaker 18: down and Otago was sitting on there ild sitting down

1431
01:09:55,427 --> 01:09:59,027
Speaker 18: the bottom. They were good teams. Yep, it's just going

1432
01:09:59,067 --> 01:10:01,147
Speaker 18: to be the luck on the day at the time,

1433
01:10:01,267 --> 01:10:03,387
Speaker 18: and I think it's home advantage. If we'd been at home,

1434
01:10:04,147 --> 01:10:05,827
Speaker 18: that would have been a Chiefs win, but they dumped

1435
01:10:05,827 --> 01:10:08,627
Speaker 18: it against a and that cost us the Grand Final.

1436
01:10:08,787 --> 01:10:10,707
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to mention that because the Blues,

1437
01:10:10,787 --> 01:10:14,987
Speaker 5: obviously with the changed finals format, Yeah, came to Hamilton

1438
01:10:15,067 --> 01:10:17,467
Speaker 5: knowing they were in the last chance saloon. The Chiefs

1439
01:10:17,507 --> 01:10:20,147
Speaker 5: knew it didn't matter if they lost, they would still

1440
01:10:20,187 --> 01:10:23,587
Speaker 5: be in contention, which they they were, and you know,

1441
01:10:23,667 --> 01:10:26,547
Speaker 5: and continued line and made the final.

1442
01:10:26,627 --> 01:10:27,987
Speaker 2: But I totally agreement to you.

1443
01:10:28,067 --> 01:10:30,547
Speaker 5: I think if that game's in Hamilton, then we're celebrating

1444
01:10:30,547 --> 01:10:32,787
Speaker 5: a Chiefs super rugby when an't we Well.

1445
01:10:32,587 --> 01:10:35,827
Speaker 18: Probably I'm probably sabering up about now actually to be honest,

1446
01:10:35,827 --> 01:10:38,267
Speaker 18: but Yeah, going to be a big challenge for the

1447
01:10:38,307 --> 01:10:40,187
Speaker 18: next year. They're letting a lot of players go, there's

1448
01:10:40,187 --> 01:10:42,467
Speaker 18: a lot of change going on, a new coach coming

1449
01:10:42,467 --> 01:10:45,747
Speaker 18: in that hasn't been announced. There's a lot of change

1450
01:10:45,747 --> 01:10:48,387
Speaker 18: in the Chiefs. Always be a Chief for ever to

1451
01:10:48,427 --> 01:10:50,067
Speaker 18: be a Chief, just like you'll be a hurricane, for

1452
01:10:50,267 --> 01:10:50,787
Speaker 18: be a hurrican.

1453
01:10:50,907 --> 01:10:52,467
Speaker 5: We haven't won out. We haven't won it since twenty

1454
01:10:52,507 --> 01:10:54,507
Speaker 5: sixteen minute and I'll never you know. And there's a

1455
01:10:54,547 --> 01:10:57,907
Speaker 5: lot of people in the Hurricanes catsman who thought that,

1456
01:10:57,947 --> 01:11:00,227
Speaker 5: you know, last year would be would be the one

1457
01:11:00,227 --> 01:11:02,067
Speaker 5: for us. And then Wallace the Titi turned up at

1458
01:11:02,107 --> 01:11:06,347
Speaker 5: Scottis Stadium and just became this this incredible force of nature.

1459
01:11:06,987 --> 01:11:09,667
Speaker 2: But it's small margins and knockout rugby, right it is.

1460
01:11:09,827 --> 01:11:14,707
Speaker 18: It's a tiny minuscule seconds. Yeah, not minutes, it's seconds,

1461
01:11:14,747 --> 01:11:18,107
Speaker 18: And like mill Wax tonight, now it's going to be seconds.

1462
01:11:18,147 --> 01:11:21,187
Speaker 18: That first game down in Otago, it was just seconds

1463
01:11:21,307 --> 01:11:22,747
Speaker 18: away from a loss.

1464
01:11:22,827 --> 01:11:23,227
Speaker 4: And a win.

1465
01:11:23,667 --> 01:11:26,627
Speaker 18: Last week, we're brilliant this week. I think Rays is

1466
01:11:26,667 --> 01:11:27,867
Speaker 18: doing what he said he's going to do. He's going

1467
01:11:27,907 --> 01:11:30,107
Speaker 18: to give everybody a gallop. And I think it's neat

1468
01:11:30,147 --> 01:11:33,547
Speaker 18: to see a chief back line that will a lot

1469
01:11:33,587 --> 01:11:36,107
Speaker 18: to prove let it round back from injury, Quintu Pip

1470
01:11:36,107 --> 01:11:39,387
Speaker 18: playing great footy, Mackenzie needs to stand his authority and

1471
01:11:39,507 --> 01:11:42,387
Speaker 18: Radham and hope them look three half backs from the

1472
01:11:42,387 --> 01:11:44,147
Speaker 18: White Cat. I just don't need to say anymore.

1473
01:11:44,947 --> 01:11:47,187
Speaker 5: You're dropping cam Roy Gallen there who I know featured

1474
01:11:47,187 --> 01:11:51,227
Speaker 5: on your local show this morning, Clayton McMillan. He leaves

1475
01:11:51,427 --> 01:11:53,627
Speaker 5: to take up his next challenge in Monster.

1476
01:11:54,467 --> 01:11:56,107
Speaker 2: What will his chief's legacy be?

1477
01:11:57,627 --> 01:12:01,747
Speaker 18: Honesty Dead said honesty. Clayton called it like it was

1478
01:12:02,427 --> 01:12:04,947
Speaker 18: if you played garbage, you got told you got played garbage,

1479
01:12:04,947 --> 01:12:07,467
Speaker 18: you played good, you got told you play okay. But

1480
01:12:08,027 --> 01:12:11,347
Speaker 18: a tremendous man around the men. That he could walk

1481
01:12:11,387 --> 01:12:13,547
Speaker 18: on broken glass and the players would crawl on it

1482
01:12:13,627 --> 01:12:16,707
Speaker 18: behind him. And I just like the guy. The cut

1483
01:12:16,747 --> 01:12:19,347
Speaker 18: of the guy. There was nothing pretentious, very honest. You've

1484
01:12:19,347 --> 01:12:21,467
Speaker 18: had him on your show a few times and now

1485
01:12:21,667 --> 01:12:24,547
Speaker 18: there's no fancy words I'll tell you for one, but

1486
01:12:25,547 --> 01:12:28,267
Speaker 18: just a nice guy, and nice guys sometimes succeed. I

1487
01:12:28,307 --> 01:12:30,587
Speaker 18: think he'll come back to New Zealand one day, and

1488
01:12:30,627 --> 01:12:32,427
Speaker 18: I'd love to see him a part of an all

1489
01:12:32,427 --> 01:12:34,347
Speaker 18: black sort of direction. I think he could.

1490
01:12:34,707 --> 01:12:35,427
Speaker 2: He totally could.

1491
01:12:35,467 --> 01:12:38,027
Speaker 5: I mean he's going to push out the edges of

1492
01:12:38,067 --> 01:12:40,067
Speaker 5: his coaching CV by coaching somewhere else.

1493
01:12:40,347 --> 01:12:43,347
Speaker 2: Ed Munster. That's a big club. It's a really big club.

1494
01:12:43,387 --> 01:12:46,267
Speaker 5: They have huge expectation over there, and I'm sure he'll

1495
01:12:46,267 --> 01:12:47,307
Speaker 5: be a success over there.

1496
01:12:47,587 --> 01:12:49,547
Speaker 2: The name that gets thrown around a lot recently is

1497
01:12:49,587 --> 01:12:51,467
Speaker 2: John A. Gibbs. Part of the part of the s

1498
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Speaker 2: is that who's going to get the gig?

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Speaker 18: I think so I'm pretty sure that's where he's going

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Speaker 18: to sit. By any He's got all the skills, he's

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Speaker 18: got all the things about it. That's he's done. His

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01:13:01,947 --> 01:13:04,387
Speaker 18: coach around the world. He's coached very well. You know,

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01:13:04,427 --> 01:13:06,947
Speaker 18: he had the honor of being sacked from France from

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01:13:06,987 --> 01:13:09,547
Speaker 18: the Michelin team. Everybody gets that. Once you've done that,

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01:13:09,587 --> 01:13:12,587
Speaker 18: you've you've been somewhere. But yeah, carries a lot with him.

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01:13:12,627 --> 01:13:16,867
Speaker 18: I think the balance of Tupoo via Nata Rocoi and

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01:13:16,907 --> 01:13:19,227
Speaker 18: the loose forwards that the Chiefs this year had John A.

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01:13:19,267 --> 01:13:23,267
Speaker 18: Gibbs planted all over them, and now Toupoo's moved to six.

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01:13:23,187 --> 01:13:23,587
Speaker 3: Till it that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 18: I really like that. He was always had that ability.

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01:13:27,187 --> 01:13:30,027
Speaker 18: He's so mobile. First game and Dunedin he was like,

1513
01:13:30,427 --> 01:13:32,027
Speaker 18: on the hell is this? So I'm all at seed?

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Speaker 18: Last week Tupou started to find his place. Yeah, I

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01:13:36,147 --> 01:13:37,267
Speaker 18: think he's going to be a good.

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Speaker 2: Six all right.

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Speaker 5: Just to finish, I won't ask you for a prediction

1518
01:13:41,787 --> 01:13:44,667
Speaker 5: necessarily for tonight, But what sort of performance do you

1519
01:13:44,707 --> 01:13:45,987
Speaker 5: expect from the All Blacks tonight?

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Speaker 18: Last week will do me fine if they can maintain

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01:13:50,467 --> 01:13:54,027
Speaker 18: what happened last week with the changes raises called, I'll

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01:13:54,027 --> 01:13:56,587
Speaker 18: actually start saying raises got it? Okay, It's taking me

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01:13:56,587 --> 01:13:58,467
Speaker 18: a long time to get there, but he's he's getting

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01:13:58,547 --> 01:14:01,067
Speaker 18: he's getting there. I'm starting to like him. I'm starting

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Speaker 18: to like him.

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Speaker 5: Well he's winning you over, then he's obviously doing something right.

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01:14:04,587 --> 01:14:07,787
Speaker 5: Good to see you, Minty Graham. Minty meet a real

1528
01:14:07,907 --> 01:14:10,427
Speaker 5: character of rugby around the White cutto and the host

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Speaker 5: of their morning show on ZB on Saturdays, and our

1530
01:14:13,187 --> 01:14:17,107
Speaker 5: rugby commentator of course for Chiefs and White Couple MPC

1531
01:14:17,307 --> 01:14:20,307
Speaker 5: matches seventeen away from two, We're going to breakaway. When

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01:14:20,347 --> 01:14:22,347
Speaker 5: we come back, We're across the Tasman Adam Peacock.

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Speaker 1: After this, cutting down to all lagsbe Fronts on your

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Speaker 1: home of Sport. It's Weekend Sport Live from the Roman

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Speaker 1: Giants in Hamilton with Chasin Vine and TJ Gardner Homes

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talk zed B.

1537
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Speaker 5: One forty six is the time message on tex Spiney

1538
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Speaker 5: you're going to need to go to detox after all

1539
01:14:44,067 --> 01:14:47,387
Speaker 5: this common commentary pub trips is over.

1540
01:14:48,187 --> 01:14:51,787
Speaker 2: I have been very restrained. Muss just water for me.

1541
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Speaker 5: The punters in here though, at the roaming, Giant and

1542
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Speaker 5: heathy Terrace Hamilton are enjoying themselves in all ways, shapes.

1543
01:15:00,547 --> 01:15:02,747
Speaker 2: And forms, and how could you not. It is an

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Speaker 2: absolutely cracking venue.

1545
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Speaker 5: We're hit all three time for our regu A Saturday

1546
01:15:06,867 --> 01:15:09,747
Speaker 5: catch up now with Australian correspondent Adam Peacock, who joins

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01:15:09,827 --> 01:15:13,027
Speaker 5: us Adam first taste tonight between the Wallabies and British

1548
01:15:13,027 --> 01:15:17,347
Speaker 5: and Irish Lions in Brisbane. What other levels of optimism

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01:15:17,547 --> 01:15:20,627
Speaker 5: about this among Australian rugby fans.

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Speaker 19: Well, they're not peaking. Put it that way, go there

1551
01:15:26,427 --> 01:15:29,627
Speaker 19: for the start. I look, pinety of one of my

1552
01:15:29,747 --> 01:15:35,947
Speaker 19: life mohottos is to, yeah, just always underplay everything because

1553
01:15:35,987 --> 01:15:42,627
Speaker 19: you can never get disappointed. So yeah, realistically they should

1554
01:15:42,627 --> 01:15:45,707
Speaker 19: wipe us, like seriously, you look at their lineup, you

1555
01:15:45,747 --> 01:15:48,147
Speaker 19: look at what some of those Northern Hemisphere teams have done,

1556
01:15:48,187 --> 01:15:51,027
Speaker 19: and you've got those combinations, got the best of the best,

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01:15:51,507 --> 01:15:54,107
Speaker 19: and you've got Australia at a time when we're just

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01:15:54,147 --> 01:15:58,227
Speaker 19: searching around to kind of reshape ourselves after a disastrous

1559
01:15:58,267 --> 01:16:00,947
Speaker 19: World Cup campaign. That's the reality of the situation now.

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Speaker 19: If it turns and that those combinations aren't quite working

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01:16:06,147 --> 01:16:08,347
Speaker 19: for to the Lions who have been slicking patches in

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01:16:08,427 --> 01:16:11,187
Speaker 19: these laid up games and the world is confined something

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01:16:11,187 --> 01:16:12,867
Speaker 19: and they're going to have to play above themselves. They're

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01:16:12,867 --> 01:16:14,747
Speaker 19: going to have to do the Queenslane. What Queensland did

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01:16:14,747 --> 01:16:18,947
Speaker 19: is start of origin rug beliegue to contend we're a

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01:16:18,947 --> 01:16:23,747
Speaker 19: sneaky chance that the common thought is that we get

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01:16:23,787 --> 01:16:25,987
Speaker 19: one game, but not sure where that one is. But

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01:16:26,547 --> 01:16:28,827
Speaker 19: we don't get white, but we don't win this series.

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01:16:28,907 --> 01:16:29,827
Speaker 19: That's the common thought.

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Speaker 5: Way to get And I just wonder that as well, Adam,

1571
01:16:32,187 --> 01:16:34,787
Speaker 5: which is the more likely test to win? Is it

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01:16:34,827 --> 01:16:37,067
Speaker 5: the first one or is it perhaps once the Wallabies

1573
01:16:37,067 --> 01:16:39,827
Speaker 5: have had a decent stretch of time together. Mate, Look,

1574
01:16:39,867 --> 01:16:42,787
Speaker 5: I don't know. A hypothetical situation the lines go tune up.

1575
01:16:42,787 --> 01:16:44,507
Speaker 5: Maybe your best chance is the third Test. I don't

1576
01:16:44,547 --> 01:16:45,067
Speaker 5: know what you think.

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01:16:46,067 --> 01:16:48,627
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm not sure either. I'm not sure either whether

1578
01:16:48,747 --> 01:16:50,867
Speaker 19: or not, like get lines toon Nell up and then

1579
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:53,427
Speaker 19: we get to Sitney and we get one piccause they're

1580
01:16:53,427 --> 01:16:55,907
Speaker 19: all thinking, oh, look after myselves for my clubs and

1581
01:16:55,987 --> 01:16:58,467
Speaker 19: thinks like that. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but

1582
01:16:58,787 --> 01:17:00,947
Speaker 19: I dare say that the Lions, if they get in

1583
01:17:00,947 --> 01:17:03,627
Speaker 19: that situation, would be looking at the fact that they're

1584
01:17:03,707 --> 01:17:06,147
Speaker 19: looking in all probability they win the midwek and next

1585
01:17:06,147 --> 01:17:09,347
Speaker 19: one they're looking at a perfect tour on Australian sword.

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01:17:09,387 --> 01:17:11,707
Speaker 19: They lost that one to Argentina in Ireland before they left,

1587
01:17:11,747 --> 01:17:14,267
Speaker 19: of course. But yeah, it's a tough.

1588
01:17:14,107 --> 01:17:14,587
Speaker 8: One to call.

1589
01:17:15,347 --> 01:17:17,867
Speaker 19: Talk to me about twenty five minutes in the game,

1590
01:17:17,907 --> 01:17:21,867
Speaker 19: I reckon, we'll know, but the lawrence just so well

1591
01:17:21,867 --> 01:17:26,307
Speaker 19: a willed even though they are a conglomeration. But yeah,

1592
01:17:26,507 --> 01:17:27,507
Speaker 19: it can be real tough.

1593
01:17:27,627 --> 01:17:27,947
Speaker 2: All right.

1594
01:17:27,987 --> 01:17:30,507
Speaker 5: We'll look forward to that tonight around ten o'clock New

1595
01:17:30,587 --> 01:17:32,187
Speaker 5: Zealand time that game kicks off.

1596
01:17:32,347 --> 01:17:33,107
Speaker 2: Other matters around.

1597
01:17:33,147 --> 01:17:36,067
Speaker 5: You were at the Paul Gallon Sonny Bill Williams fight

1598
01:17:36,147 --> 01:17:37,147
Speaker 5: on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 2: What were your reflections on that.

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Speaker 19: It was a good night at boxing. There was some

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01:17:43,307 --> 01:17:46,867
Speaker 19: really good undergard ones. The main event. I was just

1602
01:17:47,587 --> 01:17:51,347
Speaker 19: you know, you look at it and you go sunny

1603
01:17:51,347 --> 01:17:55,427
Speaker 19: Bill probably wins, loses a point, it brings it back

1604
01:17:55,427 --> 01:17:58,347
Speaker 19: into Gallon's favor. Perhaps it was a tight fight, but yeah,

1605
01:17:58,387 --> 01:18:02,907
Speaker 19: Sonny will probably through the prettier punches and the better

1606
01:18:03,507 --> 01:18:08,267
Speaker 19: out mound boxing punches. That the fact that it was

1607
01:18:08,307 --> 01:18:11,867
Speaker 19: two minute rounds was I would have preferred six three

1608
01:18:11,867 --> 01:18:14,827
Speaker 19: minute rounds and eighty two minute rounds. I just think

1609
01:18:14,867 --> 01:18:17,747
Speaker 19: that attritional value would would have opened the fight up

1610
01:18:17,787 --> 01:18:20,547
Speaker 19: and delivered a clear result by the end of it.

1611
01:18:20,547 --> 01:18:22,667
Speaker 19: Either way, I'm not sure either way it would have gone.

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01:18:22,707 --> 01:18:25,507
Speaker 19: But yeah, it was a tight fight and it was

1613
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Speaker 19: an enjoyable evening. It's an enjoyable fight and attention, all

1614
01:18:28,347 --> 01:18:30,067
Speaker 19: the things you want from the big sporting event. But

1615
01:18:30,547 --> 01:18:32,387
Speaker 19: I'd pay in ten years time. It's not one man

1616
01:18:32,467 --> 01:18:34,347
Speaker 19: and we look back on I go wow, I was there.

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01:18:35,827 --> 01:18:36,427
Speaker 3: Fair enough.

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Speaker 5: And something else that happened during the week was that

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01:18:38,427 --> 01:18:40,947
Speaker 5: Australia bowled the West End. He's out for twenty seven

1620
01:18:41,307 --> 01:18:43,707
Speaker 5: in their third cricket Test. Now, why on earth couldn't

1621
01:18:43,707 --> 01:18:45,707
Speaker 5: they have been just a bit better in the field

1622
01:18:46,227 --> 01:18:48,827
Speaker 5: and keep them under twenty six to take that unwanted

1623
01:18:48,827 --> 01:18:49,987
Speaker 5: record off us?

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01:18:50,267 --> 01:18:54,267
Speaker 19: Yeah, from nine to fifty five. Yeah, blame sent concert.

1625
01:18:54,347 --> 01:18:55,947
Speaker 2: Oh we are, don't you worry, we are.

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Speaker 19: That was both joyous from our point of view, and

1627
01:19:01,627 --> 01:19:03,587
Speaker 19: Mitch Stark was unreal to see he get his four

1628
01:19:03,667 --> 01:19:07,387
Speaker 19: hundreds and hundred tests and he took fight crickets the balls.

1629
01:19:07,907 --> 01:19:10,027
Speaker 19: Scottie Bowlin gets a hat trick. But if you did

1630
01:19:10,067 --> 01:19:13,387
Speaker 19: think far out with when you sort yourselves out, and

1631
01:19:13,427 --> 01:19:15,427
Speaker 19: then this is not just on the West Indies, they

1632
01:19:15,427 --> 01:19:17,347
Speaker 19: can't do so much. I mean they've only got so

1633
01:19:17,427 --> 01:19:20,347
Speaker 19: much revenue coming into their system, which they have to.

1634
01:19:20,587 --> 01:19:22,187
Speaker 19: They've got a lot of mouths to feed over there,

1635
01:19:22,187 --> 01:19:24,707
Speaker 19: with a lot of islands and things like that. But

1636
01:19:25,827 --> 01:19:29,027
Speaker 19: the ICC have to sort this out. Otherwise, what are

1637
01:19:29,027 --> 01:19:32,307
Speaker 19: we going to have Test cricket in ten fifteen years side?

1638
01:19:33,947 --> 01:19:36,267
Speaker 19: It's just going to be a racing three unfortunately, because

1639
01:19:36,307 --> 01:19:39,427
Speaker 19: you guys have got a similar problem in that or

1640
01:19:39,467 --> 01:19:42,027
Speaker 19: Shane Bond was the first one and you've got guys

1641
01:19:42,067 --> 01:19:44,187
Speaker 19: like Trent Bolt. Now how much test crickets are they're

1642
01:19:44,187 --> 01:19:45,547
Speaker 19: going to play now that they can just feed their

1643
01:19:45,587 --> 01:19:47,187
Speaker 19: pockets and you can get on them. They have to.

1644
01:19:48,107 --> 01:19:51,827
Speaker 19: It's an individual sport in that sense. But yeah, the ICC,

1645
01:19:51,907 --> 01:19:53,547
Speaker 19: you got a lot of thinking to do about how

1646
01:19:53,627 --> 01:19:56,867
Speaker 19: we can distribute more in order and those payments go

1647
01:19:56,947 --> 01:19:59,627
Speaker 19: directly to Test cricket. They don't just go and then

1648
01:19:59,667 --> 01:20:01,947
Speaker 19: start bloody paintings. Get a lotment coaches and thinks that

1649
01:20:02,227 --> 01:20:04,987
Speaker 19: is a Test cricket fund to help the fact that

1650
01:20:05,307 --> 01:20:07,707
Speaker 19: you know you've got a Nicholas Forum who could probably

1651
01:20:07,707 --> 01:20:09,587
Speaker 19: backfire for the West Indies in the Test match but

1652
01:20:09,667 --> 01:20:12,147
Speaker 19: doesn't because he played Tea twenty. You got to fix that.

1653
01:20:12,587 --> 01:20:16,227
Speaker 5: Yeah, indeed, just on Constance, it didn't have a happy series.

1654
01:20:16,627 --> 01:20:18,547
Speaker 2: So you're going to open the betting in the Ashes.

1655
01:20:19,107 --> 01:20:21,787
Speaker 19: A big question mark. And now we're thinking with Sheffield

1656
01:20:21,867 --> 01:20:24,347
Speaker 19: children of four or five games before the first Ashes Test,

1657
01:20:24,867 --> 01:20:27,387
Speaker 19: where we're thinking it's a good old fashioned battoff over here,

1658
01:20:27,427 --> 01:20:31,867
Speaker 19: it's Sam, it's Martus, Labor, Shane, it's USB and Kwaja's

1659
01:20:31,907 --> 01:20:35,027
Speaker 19: mate McSweeney. For two spots it looks like cam Green's

1660
01:20:35,027 --> 01:20:39,067
Speaker 19: Lockdown three, Smith four, Head five, Webster six. So those

1661
01:20:39,307 --> 01:20:43,667
Speaker 19: those two not just not just Constance but Aussie I reckon,

1662
01:20:43,707 --> 01:20:46,067
Speaker 19: it's a bit up in the air. So no, it's good.

1663
01:20:46,107 --> 01:20:48,827
Speaker 19: It's going to come off Ober November. There's going to

1664
01:20:48,827 --> 01:20:50,387
Speaker 19: be a lot of attention on State cricket and I

1665
01:20:50,427 --> 01:20:51,027
Speaker 19: reckon all come.

1666
01:20:50,987 --> 01:20:51,387
Speaker 7: Down to that.

1667
01:20:51,707 --> 01:20:53,947
Speaker 5: All right, Well, it's good chatting Australian sport with you, Adam,

1668
01:20:53,987 --> 01:20:55,947
Speaker 5: and you're the risty weekend mate. We'll catch up again

1669
01:20:55,987 --> 01:20:56,467
Speaker 5: next Saturday.

1670
01:20:57,107 --> 01:20:58,267
Speaker 19: Keep finny, have a good one.

1671
01:20:58,427 --> 01:20:59,387
Speaker 2: You have a good one too, Adam.

1672
01:20:59,427 --> 01:21:02,827
Speaker 5: Thanks indeed, Adam Peacock a big part of our Saturdays

1673
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Speaker 5: around this time.

1674
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Speaker 2: Every weekend on we Ken Sport. What are we coming up?

1675
01:21:08,067 --> 01:21:08,787
Speaker 2: Seven away from two?

1676
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Speaker 3: Back in the mom.

1677
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Speaker 1: Live from the Roaming Giant at Hamilton ahead of the

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Speaker 1: All blacksbe France Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and t

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Speaker 1: J Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder on your

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Speaker 1: home of Sport news Talk z'd be.

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Speaker 5: They're coming up four minutes away from two. After the

1682
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Speaker 5: two o'clock news our final hour from the Roaming Giant

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Speaker 5: here in Heafy Terrace, Hamilton, I forget We've got full

1684
01:21:34,387 --> 01:21:36,667
Speaker 5: commentary for you of the All Blacks France Third Test

1685
01:21:36,667 --> 01:21:39,307
Speaker 5: match from FMG Stadium, Hamiltons. I built up from six

1686
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Speaker 5: with commentary from five past seven Elliott Smith, our lead

1687
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Speaker 5: to a commentator and rugby editor with Steve Gordon, former

1688
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Speaker 5: All Black alongside, speaking of who he is going to

1689
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Speaker 5: make an appearance here at the Roaming Giant after two o'clock,

1690
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Speaker 5: as is Matthew Cooper, another absolute White cut Or rugby

1691
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Speaker 5: legend and current president of New Zealand Rugby.

1692
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Speaker 2: He's going to pop in for a chat as well.

1693
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Speaker 5: Mike cron leads us off after two o'clock, one of

1694
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Speaker 5: the most highly respect then regarded rugby coaches going around.

1695
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Speaker 5: He's currently with the Aussies ahead of their tests hereies

1696
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Speaker 5: against the British and Irish Lions and a Wrecksham fan

1697
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Speaker 5: who's been waiting seventy years to watch his team play

1698
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Speaker 5: in Wellington.

1699
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Speaker 1: Hamilton becomes the heartbeat of all Blacks rugby with the energy.

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Speaker 4: Of legends, the big names of rugby, the.

1701
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Speaker 1: Spirit of the way cutto and the fire of Testaman Rugby.

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Speaker 3: This is it.

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Speaker 1: This is your front row seat to the action before

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Speaker 1: the actions.

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Speaker 4: Play from the Roaming Giant.

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Speaker 1: It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of

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Speaker 1: Sport News Talks b.

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Speaker 5: Yes, indeed six and a half past two, I'm Jason

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Speaker 5: Pine at the Roaming Giant heafy Terrace and Hamilton started

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Speaker 5: to fill up with all Blacks fans. When you have

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Speaker 5: all Blacks replica gear and evidence now at the Roaming Giant.

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Speaker 5: Great place to enjoy a meal before the game or

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Speaker 5: a drink with friends.

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Speaker 2: We're here until three o'clock this hour.

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Speaker 5: Mike Cronshaw one of the great coaches, one of the

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Speaker 5: great forwards coaches. He's now with the Wallabies. Can he

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Speaker 5: help them beat the British and Irish Lions. Mike cron

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Speaker 5: on the show shortly but later on this hour, joined

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Speaker 5: by New Zealand Rugby president Matthew Cooper. He's going to

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Speaker 5: pop in a white Cuttle rugby legend. Of course, he

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Speaker 5: told us who's going to bring Steve Gordon with him,

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Speaker 5: so that'll make two White Cuttle rugby legends.

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Speaker 2: And let's not thinking about Wrexham.

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Speaker 5: They take him on the Wellington Phoenix this afternoon, and

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Speaker 5: there's a Wrexham fan in his eighties in Wellington who

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Speaker 5: supported the team as a young boy and then moved

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Speaker 5: to New Zealand. He's been waiting seventy years for the

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Speaker 5: chance to see them play live again.

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Speaker 2: So he's on the show as well.

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Speaker 5: But as we approach eight pass two, as we always

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Speaker 5: do it around him at this time on weekend Sport,

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Speaker 5: it's time to catch you up with some of the

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Speaker 5: things that you might have missed. Some of the things

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Speaker 5: that have happened sports wise over the last twelve to

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Speaker 5: twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: That you might not have caught up with in case

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Speaker 2: you missed it.

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Speaker 5: Starting with cricket, the Black Cats cruising to a winover

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Speaker 5: Zimbabwe in their T twenty Fry Series match.

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Speaker 3: He'll be right here.

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Speaker 20: Well, this could be the final shot. It is a

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Speaker 20: boundary and New Zealander won this match. They record their

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Speaker 20: second win in the tri series. This one is a

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Speaker 20: thumping win, winn by eight wickets.

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Speaker 5: Devin Conway standing out with an unbeaten fifty nine to

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Speaker 5: lead the chase to the NRL. The Cronulla Sharks keeping

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Speaker 5: up their good form against the Roosters.

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Speaker 1: Times sad it comes the right shows.

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Speaker 2: The alla has gone over.

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Speaker 3: For the chance.

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Speaker 16: He's gonna move and he's busting and move right there

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Speaker 16: to scorn a train lot of.

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Speaker 5: Moment thirty one eighteen their teenth win of the season. Meantime,

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Speaker 5: the Penrith Panthers continue their surge the clay.

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Speaker 21: Hi Topt and Burn Humphreys.

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Speaker 3: Benny got away from Mara. Denny did a number.

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Speaker 21: Of jocks that class. Casey mcclaim the nineteen year old

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Speaker 21: with a ferry Stoney's try to cap off this night.

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Speaker 2: For Pedron thirty ten win over the rabbit Os.

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Speaker 5: Their early season struggles now long forgotten to rugby at

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Speaker 5: Eden Park last night, Scotland's clinical as they beat Manu.

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Speaker 5: Someone has shimmings off this long point subtler cad ten

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Speaker 5: meters out again, little kick coming from mcdonnh.

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Speaker 17: That's brilliant from Scotland.

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Speaker 3: Rory's Jimpson scores their second.

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Speaker 5: To the Open championship at Royal Port Rasher.

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Speaker 2: Disappointing Open championship for.

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Speaker 5: Rack Kiwee's Ryan Fox, though coming oh so close to

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Speaker 5: making the cuts in miracle fashion.

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Speaker 17: Three over.

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Speaker 13: Royan.

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Speaker 15: So he's going to make an eagle that the cut

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Speaker 15: never left the flag water swinging.

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Speaker 2: He'll know that a birdie give him outside Chancer Nick

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Speaker 2: in the weekend and I nearly made win one better.

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Speaker 5: What a shot, very nearly holing out on the last

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Speaker 5: for eagle unless it didn't drop both Ryan Fox and

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Speaker 5: Daniel Hilly. You're finishing just one shot outside the cut

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Speaker 5: line and to the field of France. Tadey Pagaca continuing

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Speaker 5: to show his dominance in the Pyreneese extending his lead

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Speaker 5: in the thirteenth stage, Mountain time Trial gets again.

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Speaker 22: The yellow jersey is just going to turn the heat

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Speaker 22: up even more as he reaches the top of the climb,

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Speaker 22: the crowd urging him on the yellow jersey of Taddy

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Speaker 22: Pagaca is just going to obliterate all of the other

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Speaker 22: times as he wins another stage.

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason High they call.

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Speaker 5: News Talks INB coming up eleven past two here on

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Speaker 5: news Talks here B Weekend Sport at the Roaming Giant.

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Speaker 5: Mike cron is one of wild rugby's most successful coaches.

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Speaker 5: He coached well over two hundred All Blacks games during

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Speaker 5: a golden era for the side, during which they won

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Speaker 5: two World Cups, fashioned an incredible winning record and stayed

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Speaker 5: at the top of the world rugby rankings for longer

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Speaker 5: than any other team ever has.

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Speaker 2: He also helped the Black.

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Speaker 5: Ferns to World Cup glory in twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 5: last year became a member of Joe Schmitt's Wallaby set

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Speaker 5: up as they prepared to face the British and Irish

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Speaker 5: Lions first Test in Brisbane tonight, Mike Cron's book is out.

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Speaker 5: It's simply called Coach Lessons from an All Blacks Legend.

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Speaker 5: Mike Cron is with us on Weekend Sport. Mike, thanks

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Speaker 5: for your time. Congrats on the book. Could the Mike

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Speaker 5: Cron who coached the Saint Andrew's College verse fifteen in

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Speaker 5: his late twenties ever have imagined the journey that rugby

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Speaker 5: has taken you on?

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Speaker 11: Oh heck, no, nay. And I certainly don't coach like

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Speaker 11: I did back then, Thank god. You know that was

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Speaker 11: my first coaching gig in nineteen eighty three and Andrews.

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Speaker 11: You know, It's was back then a boys college, private

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Speaker 11: school in christ Church, and it was a great stepping

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Speaker 11: stone for me. And you never thought that you're ever

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Speaker 11: going to be probably even a senior Aby coach back then.

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Speaker 5: One thing that became obvious to me as I read

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Speaker 5: the book is how important to you the players are

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Speaker 5: as part of the coaching process, Which seems obvious, but

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it's not the case with some coaches. You say,

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Speaker 5: the best coach is the person you're performing the activity with.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain why that is?

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Speaker 11: Yeah? Okay, Well, an example I use quite often when

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Speaker 11: I talk to coaches, you know, they say, oh, we

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Speaker 11: don't have resources like you've got, and I go, hold on,

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Speaker 11: you do actually say you've got twenty five players at

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Speaker 11: training or twenty six players whatever. You do a little activity,

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Speaker 11: you know, like pate for instance, you know, coaches getting

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Speaker 11: the peers one holder pad the other come in and

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Speaker 11: punch rap, you know, like we tackle and drive it

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Speaker 11: back to five each. Now that's how I was coached,

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Speaker 11: you know, when I was playing. Now you know what

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Speaker 11: would happen is that the guy holding the pad were

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Speaker 11: given sometant feedback back to the guy doing the activity,

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Speaker 11: like good front leg drive or you hit and stopped

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Speaker 11: or whatever. So once you do that, you've now got

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Speaker 11: you know, twenty six coaches out on the training field,

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Speaker 11: So you're not allowing mediocrity to ever creep into a session,

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Speaker 11: and that player is developing. And remember, learning is motivation

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Speaker 11: and motivation is enjoyment. So the player is learning, they're motivated.

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Speaker 11: If they're motivated, they're having fun and they're enjoying it.

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Speaker 11: Which that's the whole idea of it, isn't it absolutely right?

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Speaker 5: Another thing that I really enjoyed finding out about was

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Speaker 5: the fact that you visited many other sporting organizations to

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Speaker 5: find out new things, to observe the way they went

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Speaker 5: about things, from ballet to suma wrestling. What drove that

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Speaker 5: desire in you and still does to think about things

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Speaker 5: a bit differently?

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Speaker 11: Knowing I don't know enough, that's the first thing you've

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Speaker 11: got to identify. I do not have enough knowledge. And

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Speaker 11: the second thing is first for knowledge. So they are

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Speaker 11: your two drivers. And I've always had and still have

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Speaker 11: a first for knowledge that I can come up with

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Speaker 11: some other way of educating my player or athlete to

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Speaker 11: understand how to use their body better, that I can

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Speaker 11: pass that on, and then it's up to them if

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Speaker 11: I'd like to keep that or delete it, you know.

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Speaker 11: So Hence I go around and try and pick up

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Speaker 11: things of different sports from you know, as you rightly said,

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Speaker 11: sumo and ballet, and I've been to cage fighting, and

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Speaker 11: I've been all over America, and you know, ice hockey

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Speaker 11: and basketball, netball, you know everything, jiu jitsu, wrestling, karate,

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Speaker 11: anything at all that is top level, I'll go into

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Speaker 11: and have a look. The big thing is, don't go

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Speaker 11: on with the preconceives over there. I think this is

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Speaker 11: what I want to learn, just going with an open mind,

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Speaker 11: to sit there and just soak it all up and

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Speaker 11: something will jump out the bottom of the neighbors. That's valuable.

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Speaker 5: The other quote that stood out for me in the

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Speaker 5: book was one you use a few times. You talk

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Speaker 5: about loving the players as much at nine o'clock at

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Speaker 5: night after they've played a game as you do at

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Speaker 5: seven point thirty before they've played. How important a plank

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Speaker 5: in your coaching philosophy.

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Speaker 11: Was That it's huge and that I actually got that

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Speaker 11: off Steve Hanson. He drove that, and I think that's

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Speaker 11: great that an athlete knows that no matter what the result,

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Speaker 11: you know, when they trudge off for a game, you

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Speaker 11: know you're not a fair winded sailor. You don't just

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Speaker 11: pat them on the back when they win. You are

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Speaker 11: there for them. And after every test like tomorrow night,

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Speaker 11: I don't know how this test is going to go

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Speaker 11: against the Fish and Irish Lions, but I guarantee you,

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Speaker 11: whatever the result, the players will be treated exactly the

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Speaker 11: same by myself when they come back into the shed,

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Speaker 11: and I think that's really really important. I always thank

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Speaker 11: them for their effort. Sometimes it's good enough and other

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Speaker 11: times it's not good enough to get a win. That's

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Speaker 11: the way it is. But I certainly will not be

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Speaker 11: a fair winded sailor and only be a friend when

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Speaker 11: you win.

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Speaker 5: Scrum question for you, Mike, will a technically better scrummager

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Speaker 5: always get the better of a physically stronger player.

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Speaker 11: No, not necessarily. You know, it's about mass and speed.

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Speaker 11: You know. It's the big guy who hadn't got much technique,

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Speaker 11: but he packed fires him in pretty good. There's a

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Speaker 11: lot of weight coming at you. So there's a bit

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Speaker 11: of this and a bit of that.

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Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 11: But for me, I just work on the fact that

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Speaker 11: if I can get you technically as best you can

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Speaker 11: possibly be, so you use your body most efficiently, that

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Speaker 11: gives you more energy for getting around the paddic and

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Speaker 11: running with the ball and making tackles and doing stuff

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Speaker 11: that you love as well.

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Speaker 5: How proud are you of the work that you have

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Speaker 5: done around scrums? Safety and safety of rugby players generally.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I never really thought about it until I

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Speaker 11: was asked if I'd go up to you know, government

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Speaker 11: house and receive a gong safety And it's something I'd

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Speaker 11: never do, you know, to be honest, well, I said,

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Speaker 11: I'd never write a book too, but.

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Speaker 18: There you go.

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Speaker 11: I don't think I would have accepted if it was

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Speaker 11: just for coaching, you know, if they said, you've won

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Speaker 11: a couple of World Cups coming up and get a gone,

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Speaker 11: I don't think I would have accepted that. But it

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Speaker 11: wasn't that. It was for safety over the years and

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Speaker 11: working with World Rugby and helping change laws and working

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Speaker 11: with the medical fraternity. So I go, oh, yeah, I

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Speaker 11: understand that, and yeah, that's probably something should be proud of.

1920
01:33:39,267 --> 01:33:40,067
Speaker 2: Indeed you should.

1921
01:33:40,747 --> 01:33:44,187
Speaker 5: Speaking of pride with as helping the Black Ferns to

1922
01:33:44,667 --> 01:33:47,107
Speaker 5: World Cup victory at the back end of twenty twenty

1923
01:33:47,147 --> 01:33:49,707
Speaker 5: two rank in your career.

1924
01:33:50,107 --> 01:33:53,107
Speaker 11: How of a highlight because you never I had mucked

1925
01:33:53,107 --> 01:33:56,787
Speaker 11: around coaching the Seven Lady, a woman in the fifteens,

1926
01:33:56,787 --> 01:33:58,867
Speaker 11: but just a one off session here and the one

1927
01:33:58,867 --> 01:34:02,027
Speaker 11: off session there, never full time like I did with

1928
01:34:02,347 --> 01:34:07,947
Speaker 11: Wayne Smith. And that it was well, I had to

1929
01:34:08,027 --> 01:34:12,907
Speaker 11: learn that women learn differently when you're coaching them. I

1930
01:34:12,947 --> 01:34:17,627
Speaker 11: had to learn that very quickly. And once once we

1931
01:34:17,747 --> 01:34:20,827
Speaker 11: formed a relationship and they worked out it was a

1932
01:34:20,867 --> 01:34:25,347
Speaker 11: safe learning environment that they're in, we got growth, you know,

1933
01:34:25,547 --> 01:34:30,427
Speaker 11: like huge growth daily growth. With the ladies, they're outstanding,

1934
01:34:30,427 --> 01:34:31,907
Speaker 11: you know, we just had to get them over a hump.

1935
01:34:31,947 --> 01:34:35,387
Speaker 11: That what I found. Women they're very harsh on themselves,

1936
01:34:35,427 --> 01:34:37,667
Speaker 11: you know, if they make a mistake at training, they

1937
01:34:37,747 --> 01:34:41,187
Speaker 11: beat themselves up mentally, and we had to get past

1938
01:34:41,267 --> 01:34:45,747
Speaker 11: that and get them to understand that to get growth

1939
01:34:46,267 --> 01:34:49,507
Speaker 11: you are we are going to stretch and stretch and

1940
01:34:49,587 --> 01:34:53,507
Speaker 11: stress your skill level and you will fail at times.

1941
01:34:53,587 --> 01:34:57,747
Speaker 11: It's okay, eventually you'll achieve that skill. Once you achieve

1942
01:34:57,787 --> 01:34:59,427
Speaker 11: that skill, we're going to make it harder, so you

1943
01:34:59,427 --> 01:35:02,587
Speaker 11: fail again, and then eventually you will achieve that skill,

1944
01:35:02,627 --> 01:35:04,827
Speaker 11: and then we again we make it harder. So that

1945
01:35:05,387 --> 01:35:07,667
Speaker 11: was sort of like way in the mind philosophy, and

1946
01:35:08,187 --> 01:35:12,027
Speaker 11: once the woman worked out out, they jumped at it

1947
01:35:12,067 --> 01:35:14,547
Speaker 11: and gave everything a crack and we got huge growth

1948
01:35:14,547 --> 01:35:15,867
Speaker 11: in a very short period of time.

1949
01:35:16,627 --> 01:35:17,907
Speaker 2: Let's bring it to the present day.

1950
01:35:18,467 --> 01:35:20,547
Speaker 5: You're about to embark on a three test series as

1951
01:35:20,547 --> 01:35:22,547
Speaker 5: part of the Wallabies coaching set up against the British

1952
01:35:22,547 --> 01:35:23,187
Speaker 5: and Irish Lions.

1953
01:35:23,227 --> 01:35:24,427
Speaker 2: How confident do you feel, Mike?

1954
01:35:26,547 --> 01:35:28,227
Speaker 11: That wouldn't be a word I'd use.

1955
01:35:29,707 --> 01:35:30,147
Speaker 3: Fair enough.

1956
01:35:30,227 --> 01:35:33,787
Speaker 11: They are an extremely, extremely good team and this is

1957
01:35:33,827 --> 01:35:36,027
Speaker 11: my I'm very lucky. This is my third series to

1958
01:35:36,067 --> 01:35:39,107
Speaker 11: coach against them, the two thousand and five and twenty

1959
01:35:39,147 --> 01:35:41,947
Speaker 11: seventeen against them when I was coaching the All Blacks

1960
01:35:41,987 --> 01:35:44,547
Speaker 11: and never ever thought I'd have another crack at them,

1961
01:35:44,787 --> 01:35:48,467
Speaker 11: And now here I am at twenty twenty five, and

1962
01:35:48,987 --> 01:35:51,107
Speaker 11: you know, they are an ex extremely good team. She was,

1963
01:35:51,467 --> 01:35:55,467
Speaker 11: And we do not know until eight o'clock tomorrow night

1964
01:35:56,067 --> 01:36:00,347
Speaker 11: how good we are against them, So that's you know,

1965
01:36:00,427 --> 01:36:03,507
Speaker 11: I'll know more than nine point thirty. You'll know that

1966
01:36:03,547 --> 01:36:07,387
Speaker 11: if you're competitive, were really competitive or better or a

1967
01:36:07,467 --> 01:36:10,067
Speaker 11: fair way off. So it's one of those unknowns to

1968
01:36:10,067 --> 01:36:13,067
Speaker 11: be fair. All I do know is that Joe and

1969
01:36:13,107 --> 01:36:15,627
Speaker 11: I and all the other coaching staff, we've got the

1970
01:36:15,667 --> 01:36:19,947
Speaker 11: players as well as they can be. You know, they

1971
01:36:19,987 --> 01:36:22,387
Speaker 11: are enjoying each other as a company. They're pretty clear

1972
01:36:22,427 --> 01:36:27,667
Speaker 11: in the head, the reasonably fit. So all you hopeful

1973
01:36:27,747 --> 01:36:29,987
Speaker 11: is they can put their best foot forward. But you

1974
01:36:30,027 --> 01:36:31,227
Speaker 11: know we'll not nine pint thirty.

1975
01:36:31,387 --> 01:36:33,107
Speaker 5: Indeed, do you have a hunch? Do you have a

1976
01:36:33,147 --> 01:36:34,747
Speaker 5: hunch at and how are you going to match up

1977
01:36:34,747 --> 01:36:37,307
Speaker 5: against them more? Are you really just going to wait

1978
01:36:37,347 --> 01:36:37,747
Speaker 5: and see?

1979
01:36:38,827 --> 01:36:42,627
Speaker 11: No, I don't have a hunch you know, I've seen

1980
01:36:42,787 --> 01:36:46,027
Speaker 11: I've worked that out over. I don't know if I

1981
01:36:46,067 --> 01:36:47,987
Speaker 11: was at two hundred and forty three testimony or not.

1982
01:36:48,067 --> 01:36:50,667
Speaker 11: I think it is or some bloody thing. And you

1983
01:36:50,707 --> 01:36:52,787
Speaker 11: know when you think, when you think something, it doesn't

1984
01:36:52,787 --> 01:36:54,787
Speaker 11: work out, you know. So I just keep a very

1985
01:36:54,827 --> 01:36:58,387
Speaker 11: open mind and have watched the game as an analyst

1986
01:36:58,467 --> 01:37:00,587
Speaker 11: and to help the players and not be a fan,

1987
01:37:01,307 --> 01:37:03,147
Speaker 11: and hopefully they can.

1988
01:37:03,347 --> 01:37:05,827
Speaker 18: All your hope is that all your players.

1989
01:37:05,707 --> 01:37:07,867
Speaker 11: They go out there put their best foot forward. Now

1990
01:37:08,027 --> 01:37:09,747
Speaker 11: if it's not good enough, it's not good enough. That

1991
01:37:09,827 --> 01:37:11,267
Speaker 11: it is good enough, that's great.

1992
01:37:12,107 --> 01:37:14,067
Speaker 5: How did you find the experience of coaching against the

1993
01:37:14,067 --> 01:37:14,987
Speaker 5: All Blacks last year?

1994
01:37:16,307 --> 01:37:16,787
Speaker 3: Difficult?

1995
01:37:17,107 --> 01:37:20,467
Speaker 11: Very difficult. In a perfect world, I said, you know,

1996
01:37:21,227 --> 01:37:25,347
Speaker 11: I'd just skipped those two Rugby Championship games to stay

1997
01:37:25,347 --> 01:37:27,427
Speaker 11: at home on those too and just do Argentina and

1998
01:37:27,427 --> 01:37:30,187
Speaker 11: Sarah Cever. It didn't make that way, does it. So

1999
01:37:30,187 --> 01:37:32,387
Speaker 11: it's difficult. And it's lovely to go into the shed

2000
01:37:32,947 --> 01:37:36,547
Speaker 11: and Wellington we're all invited in and it was different

2001
01:37:36,547 --> 01:37:38,907
Speaker 11: because it's not my shed anymore, because I was there

2002
01:37:38,947 --> 01:37:40,867
Speaker 11: as a guest, and it was lovely to be invited

2003
01:37:40,907 --> 01:37:43,907
Speaker 11: and meet some really good friends. You know, guys I've

2004
01:37:43,947 --> 01:37:47,747
Speaker 11: coached and management that I've worked for many years with,

2005
01:37:47,907 --> 01:37:51,147
Speaker 11: so our friendships. You know, that's the wonderful thing about sport,

2006
01:37:51,187 --> 01:37:52,827
Speaker 11: and that that friendships that you will have forever.

2007
01:37:53,147 --> 01:37:55,827
Speaker 2: Indeed, then, just to finish, Mike, are you able to

2008
01:37:55,867 --> 01:37:58,907
Speaker 2: watch rugby just for the spectacle of a game of

2009
01:37:58,987 --> 01:38:02,267
Speaker 2: rugby or is that not possible now that you've been

2010
01:38:02,307 --> 01:38:04,627
Speaker 2: involved with the game at such a high coaching level

2011
01:38:04,667 --> 01:38:05,267
Speaker 2: for so long?

2012
01:38:06,067 --> 01:38:06,187
Speaker 7: Oh?

2013
01:38:07,187 --> 01:38:09,467
Speaker 11: I you know, are you either got your coach's hat

2014
01:38:09,507 --> 01:38:10,547
Speaker 11: on or your fan hat?

2015
01:38:10,707 --> 01:38:11,187
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

2016
01:38:11,467 --> 01:38:13,507
Speaker 11: I can go down to the gavernor's bay partly, and

2017
01:38:13,587 --> 01:38:15,547
Speaker 11: I used to go down there and watch, you know,

2018
01:38:15,667 --> 01:38:18,467
Speaker 11: say the Crusaders play or whatever, and you've just got

2019
01:38:18,507 --> 01:38:21,427
Speaker 11: your fan hat on. You're sitting there having put the

2020
01:38:21,467 --> 01:38:25,627
Speaker 11: locals watching a game at footing. And I have no

2021
01:38:25,627 --> 01:38:29,147
Speaker 11: problem with that at all, you know, and really enjoy it,

2022
01:38:29,227 --> 01:38:32,947
Speaker 11: you know. But then you know, when you're involved in

2023
01:38:32,987 --> 01:38:34,707
Speaker 11: a team, well you've got to put your coaching hat on,

2024
01:38:34,787 --> 01:38:36,827
Speaker 11: you know. But I think that's the easy way to

2025
01:38:36,867 --> 01:38:39,427
Speaker 11: describe it. Are you do you have skin in the

2026
01:38:39,467 --> 01:38:40,467
Speaker 11: game or you're just a fan?

2027
01:38:41,827 --> 01:38:44,147
Speaker 5: The book's a cracker Mike, it's called coach lessons from

2028
01:38:44,147 --> 01:38:46,867
Speaker 5: an All Blacks legend out now. Really appreciate you taking

2029
01:38:46,907 --> 01:38:48,307
Speaker 5: the time for a chat. Made all the all the

2030
01:38:48,347 --> 01:38:51,027
Speaker 5: best in the series against the British and Irish lines

2031
01:38:51,067 --> 01:38:52,187
Speaker 5: over the next three weekends.

2032
01:38:52,427 --> 01:38:53,707
Speaker 11: Thanks very much. Have a good day.

2033
01:38:54,027 --> 01:38:55,907
Speaker 5: You have a good day too, Mike. Thanks indeed, Mike

2034
01:38:55,987 --> 01:39:00,307
Speaker 5: crom there preparing with Joe Schmidt to take on the mate.

2035
01:39:00,187 --> 01:39:01,427
Speaker 2: Of the British and Irish lines.

2036
01:39:01,667 --> 01:39:05,667
Speaker 5: First Test is tonight ten o'clock New Zealand time at Brisbane.

2037
01:39:05,707 --> 01:39:06,947
Speaker 2: Some call studying and Brisbane.

2038
01:39:06,947 --> 01:39:09,907
Speaker 5: So after the All Blacks game, time to get home

2039
01:39:10,507 --> 01:39:13,547
Speaker 5: and watch the Lions against Australia, the first of three

2040
01:39:13,587 --> 01:39:16,547
Speaker 5: Test matches over the next three weekends. Two twenty three

2041
01:39:17,387 --> 01:39:21,467
Speaker 5: Rugby Royalty has arrived here at the Roaming Giant and

2042
01:39:21,507 --> 01:39:22,307
Speaker 5: Heafe Terras.

2043
01:39:22,307 --> 01:39:22,467
Speaker 8: Well.

2044
01:39:22,867 --> 01:39:25,347
Speaker 5: I'm sure he won't describe himself as that, but Matthew

2045
01:39:25,667 --> 01:39:28,387
Speaker 5: Cooper is here, one of the white cut All rugby

2046
01:39:28,387 --> 01:39:30,867
Speaker 5: team's greats, current president of New Zealand Rugby.

2047
01:39:30,947 --> 01:39:32,507
Speaker 2: He's going to join us for a chat right after this.

2048
01:39:35,627 --> 01:39:38,027
Speaker 5: Be in to win your share of fifty thousand dollars

2049
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2050
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2051
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2052
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2053
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Speaker 5: Then just wait to see if your jersey number scores

2054
01:39:54,987 --> 01:39:58,027
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2055
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Speaker 5: jersey number scores New Zealand's first try in that game,

2056
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2057
01:40:03,987 --> 01:40:07,307
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2058
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2064
01:40:25,907 --> 01:40:26,227
Speaker 5: or over.

2065
01:40:26,587 --> 01:40:30,507
Speaker 1: Good play from the Roaming Giant in Hamilton. It's weekend

2066
01:40:30,587 --> 01:40:34,587
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2067
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2068
01:40:37,307 --> 01:40:38,027
Speaker 2: To twenty seven.

2069
01:40:38,067 --> 01:40:40,907
Speaker 5: It's been wonderful traveling around with the All Blacks Test

2070
01:40:40,947 --> 01:40:42,787
Speaker 5: matches over the last three weeks. We find ourselves in

2071
01:40:42,867 --> 01:40:47,307
Speaker 5: Hamilton at the Roaming Giants Heafy Terraces and joined by Wow.

2072
01:40:47,547 --> 01:40:50,667
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, way Cuto Rugby Royalty. I think

2073
01:40:50,707 --> 01:40:53,467
Speaker 5: I've probably got it right. Sixty three games for Hawks

2074
01:40:53,467 --> 01:40:55,427
Speaker 5: Bay first of all, one hundred and twenty three for

2075
01:40:55,467 --> 01:40:59,027
Speaker 5: White Cuttle fifteen hundred out eighty seven points, easily the

2076
01:40:59,027 --> 01:41:01,787
Speaker 5: most in Mulu history. In fact, nearly nine hundred and

2077
01:41:01,787 --> 01:41:04,987
Speaker 5: fifty more than the next best. Eight Super Rugby games

2078
01:41:05,027 --> 01:41:06,987
Speaker 5: for the Highlanders, twenty five for the che's All Blacks

2079
01:41:06,987 --> 01:41:10,547
Speaker 5: debut in nineteen eighty seven. Black Jersey twenty six times,

2080
01:41:10,547 --> 01:41:13,667
Speaker 5: including eight Test matches, two hundred and twenty four points.

2081
01:41:13,707 --> 01:41:17,067
Speaker 5: Are now President of New Zealand Rugby, Matthew Cooper.

2082
01:41:17,107 --> 01:41:19,187
Speaker 17: Nice to see you, mate, Yeah, great to be here, pioneer.

2083
01:41:20,027 --> 01:41:23,907
Speaker 15: I'm really looking forward to having a Test match in Hamilton,

2084
01:41:24,187 --> 01:41:24,747
Speaker 15: my home and.

2085
01:41:26,267 --> 01:41:28,787
Speaker 17: I'm through. This is rugby country and we could.

2086
01:41:28,587 --> 01:41:31,027
Speaker 15: Say that about most of New Zealand, but yeah, pretty

2087
01:41:31,027 --> 01:41:32,267
Speaker 15: special for this region.

2088
01:41:32,427 --> 01:41:34,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can genuinely say it about the

2089
01:41:34,187 --> 01:41:34,627
Speaker 2: White Catter.

2090
01:41:34,707 --> 01:41:37,547
Speaker 5: They love their rugby here, you know, back to and

2091
01:41:37,627 --> 01:41:39,427
Speaker 5: I want to talk about your playing days in a while,

2092
01:41:39,467 --> 01:41:41,467
Speaker 5: but it seems a long time since we had a

2093
01:41:41,467 --> 01:41:42,827
Speaker 5: Test match, ye twenty twenty two.

2094
01:41:43,067 --> 01:41:43,907
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.

2095
01:41:43,947 --> 01:41:44,867
Speaker 17: It's a while.

2096
01:41:44,987 --> 01:41:50,187
Speaker 15: It's a challenge because you balance, you balance gate revenue

2097
01:41:50,267 --> 01:41:56,027
Speaker 15: and against against the importance of sharing the game around

2098
01:41:56,027 --> 01:41:56,427
Speaker 15: our nation.

2099
01:41:56,587 --> 01:41:57,947
Speaker 17: And we get that.

2100
01:41:58,107 --> 01:42:01,547
Speaker 15: And if ever a place in New Zealand deserves test matches,

2101
01:42:01,547 --> 01:42:05,587
Speaker 15: it's christ Church when they come online next year with Takaha,

2102
01:42:04,987 --> 01:42:08,387
Speaker 15: and we're looking forward to that. But this place here,

2103
01:42:08,387 --> 01:42:11,907
Speaker 15: it's a I heard you earlier today around what we'll

2104
01:42:11,907 --> 01:42:15,387
Speaker 15: see tonight, and we'll see a passionate, close crowd twenty

2105
01:42:15,427 --> 01:42:18,547
Speaker 15: four to twenty five thousand, and yeah, it's true.

2106
01:42:18,547 --> 01:42:21,747
Speaker 17: And I mentioned, not only mentioned the White Shadow, but

2107
01:42:22,347 --> 01:42:23,347
Speaker 17: you know, I always I'm.

2108
01:42:23,187 --> 01:42:26,307
Speaker 15: Really really big on in my other role around Thames Valley,

2109
01:42:26,387 --> 01:42:29,307
Speaker 15: King Country and across the Kaims the back planey. They'll

2110
01:42:29,347 --> 01:42:31,627
Speaker 15: be here in Droves as well, and and up up

2111
01:42:31,667 --> 01:42:32,467
Speaker 15: the road at County.

2112
01:42:32,587 --> 01:42:34,787
Speaker 17: So it's a it's a good part of New Zealand.

2113
01:42:34,827 --> 01:42:37,107
Speaker 15: I'm I'm you know, I was just a kid growing

2114
01:42:37,147 --> 01:42:40,707
Speaker 15: up in Hawk's Bay and I was all gravitated by

2115
01:42:40,707 --> 01:42:43,627
Speaker 15: the way Gatto. I gravit how they played their game,

2116
01:42:43,707 --> 01:42:46,027
Speaker 15: how they played rugby, you know, the back line. The

2117
01:42:46,027 --> 01:42:50,027
Speaker 15: innovation about Wayatto and I suppose thirty eight years on.

2118
01:42:51,507 --> 01:42:54,707
Speaker 17: This place is about innovation. The White cuta was. You know,

2119
01:42:54,707 --> 01:42:57,547
Speaker 17: there's a lot good things happen in this in this province.

2120
01:42:57,787 --> 01:43:00,707
Speaker 5: Well, you were part of a of a fantastic White

2121
01:43:00,747 --> 01:43:03,427
Speaker 5: Countle side. When you think back, and I'm not sure

2122
01:43:03,427 --> 01:43:05,427
Speaker 5: how often you do, but when you do, what stands

2123
01:43:05,427 --> 01:43:07,907
Speaker 5: out most to you about your playing days for White

2124
01:43:07,947 --> 01:43:09,507
Speaker 5: cutp oh.

2125
01:43:09,267 --> 01:43:12,387
Speaker 15: They were they were special. I mean the red jail

2126
01:43:12,427 --> 01:43:16,507
Speaker 15: on black, the Mulu, you know, the great crowds of

2127
01:43:16,547 --> 01:43:21,347
Speaker 15: Rugby Park, thirty odd thousand, they creamed they, you know,

2128
01:43:21,387 --> 01:43:24,947
Speaker 15: crammed them in. And it was just the team. I

2129
01:43:24,947 --> 01:43:27,627
Speaker 15: mean we were a good team. We had great players,

2130
01:43:27,907 --> 01:43:30,107
Speaker 15: you know, good players, but we were at stars.

2131
01:43:30,187 --> 01:43:32,947
Speaker 17: But we were we were a really solid side. I

2132
01:43:32,947 --> 01:43:35,987
Speaker 17: mean we would play, would play the great Auckland side.

2133
01:43:35,987 --> 01:43:38,267
Speaker 15: And that's one game ninety three, the Shield game and

2134
01:43:38,347 --> 01:43:40,787
Speaker 15: ninety three up at Eden Park in front of forty

2135
01:43:40,827 --> 01:43:45,347
Speaker 15: eight thousand, and you know, Auckland brilliant, outstanding there, brilliant

2136
01:43:45,387 --> 01:43:46,787
Speaker 15: side fourteen.

2137
01:43:46,507 --> 01:43:48,507
Speaker 17: All blacks, one Manu Samoa.

2138
01:43:48,627 --> 01:43:50,747
Speaker 15: We had three all blacks and we went up there

2139
01:43:50,827 --> 01:43:54,907
Speaker 15: and I always vividly remember that it was one of

2140
01:43:54,947 --> 01:43:56,547
Speaker 15: those ones where you say, you look at your mate

2141
01:43:56,547 --> 01:43:58,907
Speaker 15: and you saved yourself in a white cuttough jersey, I'm

2142
01:43:58,907 --> 01:44:01,307
Speaker 15: not going to let your mate down. And that's sort

2143
01:44:01,347 --> 01:44:03,187
Speaker 15: of what it's like when you're in this place.

2144
01:44:03,267 --> 01:44:05,707
Speaker 17: It's it is very much about matship.

2145
01:44:05,787 --> 01:44:09,787
Speaker 15: It's about working hard, it's about you know, pushing yourselves

2146
01:44:09,787 --> 01:44:10,467
Speaker 15: to limits.

2147
01:44:10,787 --> 01:44:14,187
Speaker 2: I love hearing that that I mean because that Auckland

2148
01:44:14,307 --> 01:44:15,827
Speaker 2: side annoying.

2149
01:44:16,827 --> 01:44:21,387
Speaker 5: It was sixty two challengers successfully repelled. When you went

2150
01:44:21,467 --> 01:44:24,027
Speaker 5: up that day, did you feel like something special was

2151
01:44:24,067 --> 01:44:24,587
Speaker 5: going to happen?

2152
01:44:25,067 --> 01:44:28,027
Speaker 15: Well, we had a bit of an insight Piney the

2153
01:44:28,107 --> 01:44:30,627
Speaker 15: year before in a semi final we played Auckland ad

2154
01:44:30,787 --> 01:44:34,187
Speaker 15: Eden Park which led to our the first ever Grand

2155
01:44:34,187 --> 01:44:36,707
Speaker 15: final and provincial rugby on national provincial rugby against the

2156
01:44:36,787 --> 01:44:38,347
Speaker 15: Targo in ninety two.

2157
01:44:38,467 --> 01:44:42,467
Speaker 17: So we came away there. Perby did a pretty good.

2158
01:44:42,307 --> 01:44:44,547
Speaker 15: Howk there the hand of God, there was a it

2159
01:44:44,627 --> 01:44:47,947
Speaker 15: was a not a bad tight head from Perby at

2160
01:44:47,987 --> 01:44:48,507
Speaker 15: tight head.

2161
01:44:49,267 --> 01:44:52,227
Speaker 17: But we but we know we dominate.

2162
01:44:52,307 --> 01:44:55,747
Speaker 15: But yeah, we knew that we had a side to

2163
01:44:55,827 --> 01:44:58,147
Speaker 15: match them up front, and if you didn't match the

2164
01:44:58,467 --> 01:45:01,027
Speaker 15: great Auckland forward pack, you'd come second all the time.

2165
01:45:01,667 --> 01:45:04,667
Speaker 15: And we were strong on defense. We were really very

2166
01:45:04,707 --> 01:45:07,427
Speaker 15: much like the French. We had had a very suffocating

2167
01:45:07,467 --> 01:45:12,547
Speaker 15: French with Rhece Ellison myself. We had an absolute superstar

2168
01:45:12,627 --> 01:45:15,947
Speaker 15: and an eighteen year old Todd Miller at fullback and

2169
01:45:16,027 --> 01:45:19,107
Speaker 15: just some really you know, your Monklies, your Mitchell's, your Jerrems,

2170
01:45:19,107 --> 01:45:22,027
Speaker 15: your Gordon's, your Anderson's, your Low's, your your Gatlands.

2171
01:45:22,307 --> 01:45:24,307
Speaker 17: It was just a good side Stephenson.

2172
01:45:24,627 --> 01:45:27,187
Speaker 15: So we I think there was an there was that

2173
01:45:27,707 --> 01:45:31,387
Speaker 15: mystique and fear of Auckland had gone, and so that

2174
01:45:31,467 --> 01:45:33,307
Speaker 15: day it had to you had to play really well,

2175
01:45:33,347 --> 01:45:34,467
Speaker 15: it had to walk, click, and it did.

2176
01:45:35,107 --> 01:45:38,907
Speaker 2: What were the early days of super rugby like for you, Yeah.

2177
01:45:38,827 --> 01:45:39,467
Speaker 17: Really interesting.

2178
01:45:39,507 --> 01:45:41,827
Speaker 15: It was that navigation of it was probably a little

2179
01:45:41,827 --> 01:45:44,267
Speaker 15: bit like your conversation I.

2180
01:45:44,227 --> 01:45:45,987
Speaker 17: Heard earlier around a league.

2181
01:45:46,267 --> 01:45:48,627
Speaker 15: You know, we were we're in the midst of the

2182
01:45:48,667 --> 01:45:53,307
Speaker 15: world rugby corporation and and and there was so much

2183
01:45:53,347 --> 01:45:55,987
Speaker 15: going on and once it was once it was a

2184
01:45:56,347 --> 01:45:58,347
Speaker 15: line there, you know, once it's all sorted, it was Okay,

2185
01:45:58,507 --> 01:46:02,987
Speaker 15: the the the contracts Piney that were offered are a

2186
01:46:03,027 --> 01:46:08,467
Speaker 15: little bit different today that so I don't know if

2187
01:46:08,467 --> 01:46:11,147
Speaker 15: it was true professionalism, but it was.

2188
01:46:11,187 --> 01:46:12,427
Speaker 17: It was great that navigation.

2189
01:46:12,547 --> 01:46:14,507
Speaker 15: I think it took a while here in terms of

2190
01:46:15,067 --> 01:46:19,787
Speaker 15: letting go of Waikato Mulus being the number one and

2191
01:46:19,827 --> 01:46:22,227
Speaker 15: then forming that bond with the Chiefs, and that did

2192
01:46:22,307 --> 01:46:23,307
Speaker 15: take a little while.

2193
01:46:23,347 --> 01:46:23,987
Speaker 4: And now it's.

2194
01:46:24,107 --> 01:46:25,307
Speaker 17: Positioned really well.

2195
01:46:25,347 --> 01:46:27,427
Speaker 15: I mean everyone knows that it's Chiefs and then the

2196
01:46:27,467 --> 01:46:29,827
Speaker 15: Waikato and it's positioned really well.

2197
01:46:29,827 --> 01:46:31,387
Speaker 17: And yeah, they were good days.

2198
01:46:31,907 --> 01:46:33,627
Speaker 15: I missed the cut in year one and I got

2199
01:46:33,707 --> 01:46:38,747
Speaker 15: drafted to become an Otago Highlander and so that was

2200
01:46:38,787 --> 01:46:42,307
Speaker 15: really special to play with that brilliant Otago southern side

2201
01:46:42,307 --> 01:46:42,827
Speaker 15: of the time.

2202
01:46:42,907 --> 01:46:46,067
Speaker 17: So just another great experience for me in my career.

2203
01:46:45,907 --> 01:46:47,907
Speaker 15: Was to be a Highlander and then lucky enough to

2204
01:46:47,907 --> 01:46:49,507
Speaker 15: come back and have three years with the Chiefs.

2205
01:46:49,907 --> 01:46:52,267
Speaker 5: You have been in Duneda and Wellington the last two weekends.

2206
01:46:52,307 --> 01:46:54,427
Speaker 5: What have you made of the All Blacks Fronts test

2207
01:46:54,427 --> 01:46:55,187
Speaker 5: matches one and two?

2208
01:46:55,307 --> 01:46:55,467
Speaker 17: Yeah?

2209
01:46:55,547 --> 01:46:55,907
Speaker 3: Really good.

2210
01:46:57,267 --> 01:46:59,427
Speaker 17: I think that was a very good French performance.

2211
01:46:59,467 --> 01:47:02,427
Speaker 15: I wasn't surprised because I go back to nineteen eighty

2212
01:47:02,467 --> 01:47:07,067
Speaker 15: six and the Cavaliers are over in South Africa and

2213
01:47:07,107 --> 01:47:10,067
Speaker 15: they picked Brian Lahore and the team pick a new team,

2214
01:47:10,147 --> 01:47:11,867
Speaker 15: a young team called the Baby.

2215
01:47:11,547 --> 01:47:13,747
Speaker 17: Blacks, and they're down at Lancaster Park.

2216
01:47:14,347 --> 01:47:16,267
Speaker 15: These men, these twenty two, I think it would have

2217
01:47:16,307 --> 01:47:18,547
Speaker 15: been at the time, not twenty three. They put on

2218
01:47:18,587 --> 01:47:21,267
Speaker 15: an All Black jersey and then they were part of

2219
01:47:21,267 --> 01:47:23,987
Speaker 15: that legacy. They were having to be the legacy of

2220
01:47:24,067 --> 01:47:26,067
Speaker 15: All Black rugby at the time.

2221
01:47:27,507 --> 01:47:30,227
Speaker 17: Then you know nineteen eighty six.

2222
01:47:30,427 --> 01:47:36,587
Speaker 15: And they created something quite special. They had Serge Blanco,

2223
01:47:36,707 --> 01:47:39,587
Speaker 15: they had Philips, they had Jean Pierre Reeve, the Gui

2224
01:47:39,707 --> 01:47:42,747
Speaker 15: la Porte, they had absolute superstar team.

2225
01:47:43,067 --> 01:47:44,107
Speaker 17: But the All Blacks.

2226
01:47:43,867 --> 01:47:46,307
Speaker 15: Beat them and it didn't matter. It wasn't the Baby Blacks.

2227
01:47:46,347 --> 01:47:48,747
Speaker 15: The All Blacks beat the French. And I felt that

2228
01:47:48,827 --> 01:47:50,427
Speaker 15: was a bit like that last a couple of weeks

2229
01:47:50,427 --> 01:47:52,667
Speaker 15: ago in Dunedin, and I thought that that preach team

2230
01:47:52,667 --> 01:47:53,427
Speaker 15: played really well.

2231
01:47:53,907 --> 01:47:55,547
Speaker 17: I caveat that by saying.

2232
01:47:55,267 --> 01:47:56,867
Speaker 15: That was the first time the All Blacks had got

2233
01:47:56,867 --> 01:48:00,427
Speaker 15: together in twenty five after the Super Rugby season, so

2234
01:48:00,507 --> 01:48:04,667
Speaker 15: they put it together. They then they went to Denise,

2235
01:48:04,747 --> 01:48:08,427
Speaker 15: then they went to Wellington and and and I was

2236
01:48:08,467 --> 01:48:11,027
Speaker 15: super impressed with that side. I've been super impressed with

2237
01:48:11,067 --> 01:48:14,107
Speaker 15: the new boys coming into the All Blacks. I think

2238
01:48:14,147 --> 01:48:16,827
Speaker 15: that there's that the what I've seen last year in

2239
01:48:16,907 --> 01:48:20,027
Speaker 15: terms of what the coaching group under Razer are trying

2240
01:48:20,027 --> 01:48:23,147
Speaker 15: to do here is is is play a pretty quick game.

2241
01:48:23,307 --> 01:48:25,827
Speaker 15: Is to play a fast game. But this year they

2242
01:48:25,827 --> 01:48:28,227
Speaker 15: want to finish. They if they finished a couple of

2243
01:48:28,227 --> 01:48:30,867
Speaker 15: times last year they would They would have won in Johannesburg,

2244
01:48:30,987 --> 01:48:32,107
Speaker 15: they should have won in Paris.

2245
01:48:32,467 --> 01:48:32,987
Speaker 17: They know that.

2246
01:48:33,787 --> 01:48:36,787
Speaker 15: And then and then to see this philosophy of having

2247
01:48:36,827 --> 01:48:39,827
Speaker 15: winning the much treasured Dave Gallaher Cup, which is which

2248
01:48:39,867 --> 01:48:42,507
Speaker 15: means a lot to to the All Blacks to then

2249
01:48:42,907 --> 01:48:44,907
Speaker 15: do what he talks about, I want to be four deep,

2250
01:48:45,667 --> 01:48:47,987
Speaker 15: Scott Robinson talks about I want to be four deep.

2251
01:48:48,027 --> 01:48:50,387
Speaker 15: I want to make sure two years out from Australia

2252
01:48:50,867 --> 01:48:54,427
Speaker 15: we've got depth in all position. The Wellington performance has

2253
01:48:54,547 --> 01:48:57,827
Speaker 15: enabled that. That's enabled the All Blacks to to give

2254
01:48:57,947 --> 01:49:00,027
Speaker 15: and and and I really hope it works. I really

2255
01:49:00,067 --> 01:49:03,787
Speaker 15: wanted to work tonight because we've got this is an

2256
01:49:03,787 --> 01:49:08,067
Speaker 15: exciting team. It's a particularly excited about the new players

2257
01:49:08,067 --> 01:49:10,747
Speaker 15: coming through and you know the chance of a new

2258
01:49:10,747 --> 01:49:14,627
Speaker 15: a new debutante as well, Ruben Love coming in for that,

2259
01:49:14,787 --> 01:49:17,267
Speaker 15: Quinta Pie coming back after a long time, the great

2260
01:49:17,307 --> 01:49:21,707
Speaker 15: story of Anton Lennett Brown. Luke Jakinson's another good story

2261
01:49:21,707 --> 01:49:24,347
Speaker 15: because he's a very powerful loose forward, but he hasn't

2262
01:49:24,387 --> 01:49:27,347
Speaker 15: had game time, So you know, I think you know

2263
01:49:27,387 --> 01:49:29,587
Speaker 15: this is a really good opportunity. It gears up for

2264
01:49:29,627 --> 01:49:32,627
Speaker 15: the Rugby Championship, so you're really looking forward to it?

2265
01:49:32,747 --> 01:49:33,667
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't wait.

2266
01:49:33,747 --> 01:49:36,187
Speaker 5: So you're now president of New Zealand Rugby. Does that

2267
01:49:36,267 --> 01:49:37,547
Speaker 5: mean you can watch the game or do you have

2268
01:49:37,587 --> 01:49:38,707
Speaker 5: to shake too many hands for that?

2269
01:49:38,947 --> 01:49:40,867
Speaker 17: Oh? No, I always do. I always make sure I

2270
01:49:40,907 --> 01:49:41,467
Speaker 17: watch a game.

2271
01:49:41,547 --> 01:49:44,227
Speaker 15: I'm a I'm a very passionate fan and I always

2272
01:49:44,267 --> 01:49:47,187
Speaker 15: will be and very proud of this whole group, This

2273
01:49:47,227 --> 01:49:49,027
Speaker 15: whole all black group are incredible people.

2274
01:49:49,067 --> 01:49:50,107
Speaker 17: The staff are amazing.

2275
01:49:51,947 --> 01:49:54,787
Speaker 15: Tonight, well, there will be a lot of good partners

2276
01:49:54,787 --> 01:49:57,787
Speaker 15: that will be with us tonight, and our events team

2277
01:49:57,827 --> 01:50:00,627
Speaker 15: are incredible. So I'll be up there with board members

2278
01:50:00,867 --> 01:50:04,747
Speaker 15: and Robbo and we will we will entertain our people

2279
01:50:04,747 --> 01:50:05,667
Speaker 15: who look after us.

2280
01:50:05,787 --> 01:50:09,747
Speaker 17: And and yeah, I'm I'm in.

2281
01:50:09,707 --> 01:50:12,387
Speaker 15: A very privileged role and I don't underestimate it. Piney

2282
01:50:12,427 --> 01:50:15,867
Speaker 15: it's it's an absolute dream. It's a pleasure to be

2283
01:50:16,147 --> 01:50:18,227
Speaker 15: involved with the All Blacks, it's a pleasure to be

2284
01:50:18,227 --> 01:50:21,267
Speaker 15: involved with the Black Ferns. It's a you know, it's

2285
01:50:21,267 --> 01:50:23,587
Speaker 15: a pleasure to be involved with our domestic game. So

2286
01:50:24,627 --> 01:50:28,027
Speaker 15: I'm you know, I'm looking forward to tonight and I'm

2287
01:50:28,107 --> 01:50:30,867
Speaker 15: you know, I love the opportunity of what this presents.

2288
01:50:32,307 --> 01:50:33,747
Speaker 17: There's a lot of good things happening.

2289
01:50:33,827 --> 01:50:36,147
Speaker 15: I'm so looking forward to Round the twenties tomorrow and

2290
01:50:36,187 --> 01:50:38,627
Speaker 15: revego in Italy as they take on the South Africa

2291
01:50:38,667 --> 01:50:42,387
Speaker 15: and the World Cup Under twenty final. The Black Ferns

2292
01:50:42,427 --> 01:50:44,947
Speaker 15: are tracking all right, we're looking we're looking to head

2293
01:50:44,987 --> 01:50:49,187
Speaker 15: away shortly and we've got a domestic competition about to

2294
01:50:49,227 --> 01:50:51,947
Speaker 15: start in both the FBC and the NBC and the Heartland.

2295
01:50:52,027 --> 01:50:55,427
Speaker 17: So yeah, this is great. I'm I'm I'm loving it.

2296
01:50:55,467 --> 01:50:55,627
Speaker 11: Good.

2297
01:50:55,867 --> 01:50:56,867
Speaker 2: How's your brother Greg getting on?

2298
01:50:57,027 --> 01:51:00,267
Speaker 17: Yeah good, he's a Greg's an international coach. He's been

2299
01:51:00,667 --> 01:51:02,907
Speaker 17: in Utah and he's he's actually on the plane now

2300
01:51:02,907 --> 01:51:06,107
Speaker 17: to Japan. So he's got another surjouron in Japan and

2301
01:51:07,267 --> 01:51:10,707
Speaker 17: no special brother. He's him and I.

2302
01:51:10,867 --> 01:51:13,067
Speaker 15: Him and I are still talking after replace them in

2303
01:51:13,107 --> 01:51:15,747
Speaker 15: ninety two as the All Black fallback.

2304
01:51:15,467 --> 01:51:16,187
Speaker 17: Against the Irish.

2305
01:51:16,227 --> 01:51:18,827
Speaker 15: So so I must long time the hold of grudge

2306
01:51:18,867 --> 01:51:21,267
Speaker 15: of he is and they're very very very good brother

2307
01:51:21,307 --> 01:51:25,307
Speaker 15: and know he's doing well, and yeh know we're.

2308
01:51:24,587 --> 01:51:26,747
Speaker 17: You know, it's it's just nice at the moment, Piney.

2309
01:51:26,747 --> 01:51:30,827
Speaker 15: I sense that our focus at the moment, and it's

2310
01:51:30,827 --> 01:51:32,867
Speaker 15: a it's a big it's a big organization. We think

2311
01:51:32,907 --> 01:51:36,187
Speaker 15: about our commercial, you think about international, you think about global.

2312
01:51:36,227 --> 01:51:38,507
Speaker 15: We know that we could play France anywhere and we

2313
01:51:38,507 --> 01:51:40,947
Speaker 15: would draw massive crowds, and the same with South Africa.

2314
01:51:41,267 --> 01:51:44,067
Speaker 15: There is that brand, the brand All Blacks is massive globally,

2315
01:51:44,947 --> 01:51:48,347
Speaker 15: and it's also really important this game domestically, and there's

2316
01:51:48,387 --> 01:51:51,627
Speaker 15: a lot of work going on about competitions and and so.

2317
01:51:51,627 --> 01:51:56,067
Speaker 17: All that complexity. But I'm really feeling good about our game.

2318
01:51:55,907 --> 01:51:58,867
Speaker 15: Because we're in a good space of focusing on rugby

2319
01:51:59,187 --> 01:52:02,587
Speaker 15: and and you know, tonight it's another exciting night. And

2320
01:52:02,667 --> 01:52:04,867
Speaker 15: I have said to everyone, to the board and to

2321
01:52:05,467 --> 01:52:07,707
Speaker 15: members of the staff, welcome to Paradise. At the start

2322
01:52:07,747 --> 01:52:09,867
Speaker 15: of the week and I remember Raiser come up to

2323
01:52:09,947 --> 01:52:12,707
Speaker 15: him and he said, yesterday he said, he said, Coops,

2324
01:52:12,707 --> 01:52:14,547
Speaker 15: he said, you talk about paradise.

2325
01:52:14,707 --> 01:52:15,947
Speaker 17: He said, We've had the weddest.

2326
01:52:15,627 --> 01:52:19,587
Speaker 15: Week we've ever had an international rugby, so I don't

2327
01:52:19,627 --> 01:52:21,907
Speaker 15: know how much I can do that, but I wouldn't

2328
01:52:21,907 --> 01:52:23,027
Speaker 15: love anywhere else fighting.

2329
01:52:23,067 --> 01:52:24,707
Speaker 5: Good on your mate, It's so good to see you, Matthew.

2330
01:52:24,707 --> 01:52:27,667
Speaker 5: Your enthusiasm is infectious. Great day of your popping in

2331
01:52:27,667 --> 01:52:28,547
Speaker 5: on such a busy day, mate.

2332
01:52:28,547 --> 01:52:29,147
Speaker 2: We'll see it tonight.

2333
01:52:29,267 --> 01:52:29,547
Speaker 17: Very good.

2334
01:52:29,547 --> 01:52:32,627
Speaker 5: Thanks finding Matthew Cooper there, President of New Zealand Rugby

2335
01:52:32,667 --> 01:52:35,267
Speaker 5: and former All Black, joining us at the Roaming Giant

2336
01:52:35,307 --> 01:52:37,347
Speaker 5: here as we build towards kickoff tonight.

2337
01:52:37,587 --> 01:52:42,667
Speaker 2: Just on twenty one away from three back in a mow, counting.

2338
01:52:42,347 --> 01:52:45,347
Speaker 1: Down to all lagsby Frants on your Home of Sport

2339
01:52:45,507 --> 01:52:49,147
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2340
01:52:49,307 --> 01:52:52,827
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2341
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2342
01:52:54,787 --> 01:52:57,507
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2343
01:52:57,507 --> 01:53:00,347
Speaker 5: Sport at the Roaming Giant. Just updating you on Live Sport.

2344
01:53:00,427 --> 01:53:05,227
Speaker 5: Ranfilly Shield action at the Maniah Domain in Mania Thams Valley,

2345
01:53:05,227 --> 01:53:07,227
Speaker 5: trying to wrestle the shield off tartanuky.

2346
01:53:07,587 --> 01:53:08,987
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen.

2347
01:53:09,067 --> 01:53:12,867
Speaker 5: Approaching half time, Tartanucky lead Thames Valley forty three points

2348
01:53:12,907 --> 01:53:17,467
Speaker 5: to nil, forty three nil approaching halftime. Something special this

2349
01:53:17,547 --> 01:53:20,947
Speaker 5: afternoon for Wellington Phoenix football fans to enjoy. Their side

2350
01:53:20,987 --> 01:53:24,547
Speaker 5: will take on Wrexham at Sky Stadium from five o'clock.

2351
01:53:24,587 --> 01:53:27,947
Speaker 5: Wrexham have, of course become a global sensation thanks to

2352
01:53:27,987 --> 01:53:32,387
Speaker 5: their purchase by Hollywood superstars Ryan Reynolds and Rob mclahenny,

2353
01:53:32,707 --> 01:53:35,387
Speaker 5: the reality TV series which has been based around them,

2354
01:53:35,467 --> 01:53:39,587
Speaker 5: and their three successive promotions which mean they're now just

2355
01:53:39,707 --> 01:53:43,187
Speaker 5: one tier below the Premier League. In recent days, I've

2356
01:53:43,267 --> 01:53:47,307
Speaker 5: visited eighty three year old David Jones through Welsh name.

2357
01:53:47,627 --> 01:53:50,427
Speaker 5: He lives in Wellington but grew up in Wrexham and

2358
01:53:50,547 --> 01:53:53,987
Speaker 5: has been a lifelong fan. I asked David first of all,

2359
01:53:54,107 --> 01:53:57,227
Speaker 5: how he became a Wrexham fan as a young boy.

2360
01:53:57,827 --> 01:54:01,427
Speaker 23: Oh, my father was a nationally a Wrecksham fan. By

2361
01:54:01,507 --> 01:54:05,707
Speaker 23: the age of six, he decided that he was willing

2362
01:54:05,747 --> 01:54:08,507
Speaker 23: to me along there. We didn't have a car in

2363
01:54:08,507 --> 01:54:12,187
Speaker 23: those days. We had a tandem and I would just

2364
01:54:12,227 --> 01:54:14,707
Speaker 23: sit on the back. From the age of six to

2365
01:54:15,267 --> 01:54:19,747
Speaker 23: the age of fifteen, I would see Wrexham regularly or

2366
01:54:20,067 --> 01:54:22,667
Speaker 23: most of the if not all, of the home games.

2367
01:54:22,907 --> 01:54:25,347
Speaker 2: What do you remember about those years from a six

2368
01:54:25,427 --> 01:54:28,067
Speaker 2: year old boy to your mid teens, What stands out

2369
01:54:28,067 --> 01:54:31,587
Speaker 2: when you think about your visits to watch Rix and play.

2370
01:54:31,507 --> 01:54:33,787
Speaker 23: In those days? They were very so up and down

2371
01:54:34,427 --> 01:54:37,547
Speaker 23: moments when they looked like they were going to head

2372
01:54:37,587 --> 01:54:40,627
Speaker 23: for the Premiere what's now the Premier Division and they'd

2373
01:54:40,747 --> 01:54:44,347
Speaker 23: end up back in the National Division. Followed them very closely.

2374
01:54:44,427 --> 01:54:47,307
Speaker 23: They had some really really good players. I mean I

2375
01:54:47,307 --> 01:54:51,347
Speaker 23: remembers of a center half by the name of Alan Fox.

2376
01:54:51,707 --> 01:54:55,027
Speaker 23: I thought he should have been playing for Wales. He

2377
01:54:55,067 --> 01:54:58,107
Speaker 23: actually played for Wales under twenty threes, but he never

2378
01:54:58,147 --> 01:55:00,787
Speaker 23: made the full team much I think were diabolical. I

2379
01:55:00,787 --> 01:55:03,707
Speaker 23: don't know if you would know. They had a full

2380
01:55:03,787 --> 01:55:08,947
Speaker 23: back called Ali McGowan. I played left full back in

2381
01:55:08,987 --> 01:55:12,467
Speaker 23: my of soccer days, even though I've right footed. They

2382
01:55:12,507 --> 01:55:15,707
Speaker 23: obviously to put me with a left back, so you know,

2383
01:55:15,987 --> 01:55:19,787
Speaker 23: and he was really my idols of the center forward.

2384
01:55:20,027 --> 01:55:23,747
Speaker 23: Tommy Bannon was another sort of favorite of mine who

2385
01:55:23,827 --> 01:55:25,587
Speaker 23: scored an awful lot of goals.

2386
01:55:25,267 --> 01:55:26,467
Speaker 4: In that time.

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01:55:26,747 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 23: Even now, I mean when I picked up pick up

2388
01:55:30,307 --> 01:55:33,387
Speaker 23: the Sunday papers. I go online on the Sunday. The

2389
01:55:33,427 --> 01:55:36,827
Speaker 23: first team I'm always looking for is Wrexham. Probably was

2390
01:55:36,867 --> 01:55:40,667
Speaker 23: one of the last matches I saw. Wrexham played Manchester

2391
01:55:40,787 --> 01:55:44,787
Speaker 23: United in the FA Cup and there were thirty four

2392
01:55:44,867 --> 01:55:48,307
Speaker 23: thousand people there. Then we lost five knells. I don't

2393
01:55:48,347 --> 01:55:52,347
Speaker 23: talk about it too much, but since then, I since

2394
01:55:52,427 --> 01:55:56,107
Speaker 23: I moved over here, they've obviously changed the ground considerably

2395
01:55:56,627 --> 01:56:00,747
Speaker 23: and at the moment they only actually I can only

2396
01:56:00,787 --> 01:56:05,027
Speaker 23: take twelve thousand. I've got a grandson who's a regular

2397
01:56:05,107 --> 01:56:08,227
Speaker 23: SI supporter and you have to be a member now

2398
01:56:08,267 --> 01:56:10,507
Speaker 23: to actually get to the match. You know, you can't

2399
01:56:10,587 --> 01:56:14,507
Speaker 23: just turn up a turnstile. Although now they are doing

2400
01:56:14,547 --> 01:56:18,467
Speaker 23: so well, I would imagine, and I think I've heard

2401
01:56:18,587 --> 01:56:23,147
Speaker 23: or read somewhere that they are extending the ground again. Wrexham,

2402
01:56:23,387 --> 01:56:28,107
Speaker 23: I mean some big news to North Wales, even though

2403
01:56:28,707 --> 01:56:31,787
Speaker 23: as I said earlier, they've had their ups and downs.

2404
01:56:32,187 --> 01:56:34,307
Speaker 5: When you came to New Zealand then, how were you

2405
01:56:34,387 --> 01:56:36,867
Speaker 5: able to stay in touch? I mean you talked about

2406
01:56:36,867 --> 01:56:40,307
Speaker 5: the papers, I mean Sunday Morning British football results, no

2407
01:56:40,387 --> 01:56:43,027
Speaker 5: doubt were you able to stay connected to the club

2408
01:56:43,067 --> 01:56:45,107
Speaker 5: once you came to New Zealand.

2409
01:56:44,907 --> 01:56:47,627
Speaker 23: Not connected to the club, but I mean I did

2410
01:56:47,747 --> 01:56:53,987
Speaker 23: have a brother and I've mentioned my grandson who were

2411
01:56:53,987 --> 01:56:58,747
Speaker 23: both supporters and they would regularly give me some updates.

2412
01:56:59,347 --> 01:56:59,627
Speaker 10: You know.

2413
01:57:00,147 --> 01:57:03,227
Speaker 23: They had some pretty rough times. They went into liquidation

2414
01:57:03,427 --> 01:57:06,507
Speaker 23: at one stage and were saved by the fans. The

2415
01:57:06,547 --> 01:57:11,427
Speaker 23: fan rallied round and supported them in terms of finding

2416
01:57:11,467 --> 01:57:17,067
Speaker 23: money etc. Since these American actors when they bought at

2417
01:57:17,147 --> 01:57:19,787
Speaker 23: the club, I understand, I mean there was worth about

2418
01:57:19,827 --> 01:57:24,907
Speaker 23: one million and now apparently they're talking about two hundred million.

2419
01:57:25,427 --> 01:57:28,427
Speaker 5: How do you think long time ricks and fans feel

2420
01:57:28,467 --> 01:57:31,827
Speaker 5: about a couple of American actors coming in and taking

2421
01:57:31,907 --> 01:57:32,987
Speaker 5: over their football club.

2422
01:57:33,187 --> 01:57:36,147
Speaker 23: Well, there might have been a bit upset to start with,

2423
01:57:36,987 --> 01:57:39,827
Speaker 23: but when you see what's happened in the last three years,

2424
01:57:40,787 --> 01:57:45,187
Speaker 23: you know, they these guys have actually taken Wrexham from

2425
01:57:45,467 --> 01:57:51,547
Speaker 23: National Division through to the Championship with you know now

2426
01:57:51,587 --> 01:57:55,827
Speaker 23: even talking about some Premier League next time. So the

2427
01:57:55,947 --> 01:57:58,707
Speaker 23: fans would be absolutely but he run away with it,

2428
01:57:58,787 --> 01:58:02,587
Speaker 23: you know. But as I say, I wasn't there whence

2429
01:58:04,107 --> 01:58:07,907
Speaker 23: these guys took over, but with the state Wrexham was

2430
01:58:07,947 --> 01:58:11,147
Speaker 23: in and I'm pretty sure that they were accepted the

2431
01:58:11,227 --> 01:58:12,547
Speaker 23: guys pretty quickly.

2432
01:58:12,347 --> 01:58:15,347
Speaker 5: And rixam are coming to New Zealand, not only in

2433
01:58:15,347 --> 01:58:17,587
Speaker 5: New Zealand but to Wellington where you now live. Are

2434
01:58:17,627 --> 01:58:19,107
Speaker 5: you going to be able to get to the game.

2435
01:58:19,547 --> 01:58:23,387
Speaker 23: I'm certainly going to the game. I rang this grandson

2436
01:58:23,667 --> 01:58:26,587
Speaker 23: and christ Church and I said, Morgan, you and I

2437
01:58:26,587 --> 01:58:28,867
Speaker 23: will be going to this match. And he said, oh great,

2438
01:58:28,867 --> 01:58:31,347
Speaker 23: thank you very much. And then my son Ever heard

2439
01:58:31,387 --> 01:58:35,227
Speaker 23: that and he said I'm coming to her and sold

2440
01:58:35,267 --> 01:58:41,747
Speaker 23: his partner. My daughter Nesta also overheard it and seeing

2441
01:58:41,827 --> 01:58:45,027
Speaker 23: a partner coming along as well. So it's cost me

2442
01:58:45,067 --> 01:58:49,267
Speaker 23: six hundred dollars. Well, I was supporting Wrexham. It was

2443
01:58:49,267 --> 01:58:51,827
Speaker 23: four prints, you know, as a six and seven year

2444
01:58:51,827 --> 01:58:55,347
Speaker 23: old and has forked out bloody three hundred pounds. I

2445
01:58:55,387 --> 01:58:57,667
Speaker 23: had to take that family.

2446
01:58:58,947 --> 01:59:00,827
Speaker 5: And just back to when you were a boy and

2447
01:59:00,867 --> 01:59:03,507
Speaker 5: went along. Can you remember those moments where maybe for

2448
01:59:03,547 --> 01:59:06,507
Speaker 5: the first time you saw that expense of grass as

2449
01:59:06,507 --> 01:59:08,147
Speaker 5: you walked in there as a six year old and

2450
01:59:08,547 --> 01:59:10,027
Speaker 5: start your love of the game.

2451
01:59:10,427 --> 01:59:12,947
Speaker 23: Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I mean you're blown away

2452
01:59:13,107 --> 01:59:15,547
Speaker 23: by by it really, especially at the age of six.

2453
01:59:15,947 --> 01:59:18,147
Speaker 23: But I mean I still got used it because once

2454
01:59:18,187 --> 01:59:20,387
Speaker 23: I became a journalist myself, and I got to go

2455
01:59:20,507 --> 01:59:24,027
Speaker 23: to lots and lots of sports occasions, you know, cricket

2456
01:59:24,067 --> 01:59:27,947
Speaker 23: matches and the like, and but no obviously as a

2457
01:59:27,947 --> 01:59:31,107
Speaker 23: six year old, I've blown away and at one stage

2458
01:59:31,307 --> 01:59:33,827
Speaker 23: the ground was so full. I think he made me

2459
01:59:33,907 --> 01:59:36,987
Speaker 23: in a cup match and I was getting squashed and

2460
01:59:37,147 --> 01:59:39,867
Speaker 23: one of the players, I can't I've been trying to

2461
01:59:39,907 --> 01:59:42,667
Speaker 23: think of his name, one of the players. I think

2462
01:59:42,707 --> 01:59:46,147
Speaker 23: it was. It was Stoke City that were playing. One

2463
01:59:46,187 --> 01:59:49,227
Speaker 23: of their players came over and got hold of me

2464
01:59:49,907 --> 01:59:52,347
Speaker 23: and put me to set on the grass, you know,

2465
01:59:52,627 --> 01:59:57,747
Speaker 23: actually on the corn just from them, just behind the line.

2466
01:59:58,147 --> 02:00:00,387
Speaker 2: Because I guess in those days here it wasn't all ster,

2467
02:00:00,587 --> 02:00:00,707
Speaker 2: was it.

2468
02:00:00,747 --> 02:00:04,507
Speaker 5: Were you actually understanding terrace's watching always in the terraces?

2469
02:00:04,587 --> 02:00:07,547
Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean we couldn't have phone to go into

2470
02:00:07,627 --> 02:00:10,787
Speaker 23: the in the sit down area, so it was certainly

2471
02:00:10,827 --> 02:00:14,427
Speaker 23: not until I started work myself. As I say, it

2472
02:00:14,467 --> 02:00:17,067
Speaker 23: was only four points ago in and my father sort

2473
02:00:17,107 --> 02:00:19,307
Speaker 23: of coughed up. It wouldn't have coughed up to take

2474
02:00:19,347 --> 02:00:25,307
Speaker 23: me to the seated area mostly supporters stood. In those days.

2475
02:00:25,347 --> 02:00:28,307
Speaker 23: It seemed to me an accepted thing, you know, could.

2476
02:00:28,067 --> 02:00:30,267
Speaker 2: You see you're a six year old boy. Could you

2477
02:00:30,347 --> 02:00:32,387
Speaker 2: see standing with all these adults around.

2478
02:00:32,107 --> 02:00:34,187
Speaker 23: Because I would be in the front, you see, I

2479
02:00:34,187 --> 02:00:37,587
Speaker 23: mean my father would be behind me or whoever was

2480
02:00:37,667 --> 02:00:40,307
Speaker 23: taking me there. So yeah, I would be right up

2481
02:00:41,267 --> 02:00:44,587
Speaker 23: the wall with the pitch just next to it, a

2482
02:00:44,627 --> 02:00:47,867
Speaker 23: little bit of ground between the wall and the pitch,

2483
02:00:47,907 --> 02:00:51,627
Speaker 23: and that's what I sat on when I was feeling

2484
02:00:51,707 --> 02:00:52,987
Speaker 23: pretty uncomfortable one day.

2485
02:00:53,147 --> 02:00:53,907
Speaker 2: Amazing memory.

2486
02:00:54,027 --> 02:00:57,187
Speaker 5: So from the six year old boy to the man

2487
02:00:57,267 --> 02:00:59,467
Speaker 5: in his eighties, now you're going to almost come full

2488
02:00:59,507 --> 02:01:02,227
Speaker 5: circle to see your football team again. You probably thought

2489
02:01:02,267 --> 02:01:03,867
Speaker 5: I'll never get to watch them live again.

2490
02:01:04,267 --> 02:01:08,147
Speaker 23: Well, well, absolutely yeah, well and certainly not, certainly not

2491
02:01:08,267 --> 02:01:11,627
Speaker 23: over here. I may have been our home a few

2492
02:01:11,667 --> 02:01:13,827
Speaker 23: times and never quite got to offer it pal match.

2493
02:01:14,627 --> 02:01:16,467
Speaker 2: That is the utterly delightful.

2494
02:01:16,707 --> 02:01:21,147
Speaker 5: David Jones, eighty three year old Wrexham fan based in Wellington,

2495
02:01:21,547 --> 02:01:23,387
Speaker 5: looking forward to getting along with the crowd of what

2496
02:01:23,387 --> 02:01:25,587
Speaker 5: I'm hearing is going to be over twenty five thousand

2497
02:01:25,587 --> 02:01:30,627
Speaker 5: there this afternoon when Wellington Phoenix host Wrexham. It's a

2498
02:01:30,667 --> 02:01:33,307
Speaker 5: pre season frimhly for both sides. One I know that

2499
02:01:33,347 --> 02:01:34,947
Speaker 5: they're both looking forward to and you might have caught

2500
02:01:34,947 --> 02:01:35,627
Speaker 5: this news this morning.

2501
02:01:35,667 --> 02:01:36,707
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have that.

2502
02:01:36,827 --> 02:01:40,947
Speaker 5: Libby Kikacci, former Wellington Phoenix player who's been overseas for

2503
02:01:41,107 --> 02:01:44,827
Speaker 5: many years now, has this morning been confirmed as Rixham's

2504
02:01:45,067 --> 02:01:48,027
Speaker 5: latest signing. He mon't be playing in this game. He's

2505
02:01:48,067 --> 02:01:50,827
Speaker 5: over in the UK at the moment, but when Rexham

2506
02:01:50,867 --> 02:01:54,387
Speaker 5: start their championship season in a month or so, Libby

2507
02:01:54,467 --> 02:01:57,987
Speaker 5: Caccacci will be wearing Wrexham colors. Night away from Three

2508
02:01:58,027 --> 02:01:58,747
Speaker 5: News Talks, he'd.

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02:01:58,587 --> 02:02:04,267
Speaker 1: Be live from the Rooming Giant and Hamilton ahead of

2510
02:02:04,307 --> 02:02:07,987
Speaker 1: the Old Lags Fee France. We Sport with Jason Pine

2511
02:02:08,227 --> 02:02:11,827
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder

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Speaker 1: on your Home of Sport News Talks.

2513
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Speaker 5: Vy coming up five to three. The show is just

2514
02:02:17,107 --> 02:02:19,027
Speaker 5: about done. I must say it's going to be rather

2515
02:02:20,747 --> 02:02:23,187
Speaker 5: I don't know, a little bit deflating. Going back to

2516
02:02:23,227 --> 02:02:27,587
Speaker 5: the studio next Saturday. After three consecutive Saturday afternoon shows

2517
02:02:27,627 --> 02:02:32,387
Speaker 5: at three magnificent pubs Emerson's in Dunedin, Shed twenty two

2518
02:02:32,627 --> 02:02:37,147
Speaker 5: in Wellington and today the utterly Magnificent Roaming Giant and

2519
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Speaker 5: Heathy Terrace, Hamilton.

2520
02:02:38,507 --> 02:02:39,627
Speaker 2: It's been buzzing all day.

2521
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Speaker 5: We have greatly enjoyed being here, and we thank the

2522
02:02:43,427 --> 02:02:47,867
Speaker 5: team for hosting us this afternoon. Massive thanks to Victoria

2523
02:02:47,947 --> 02:02:50,547
Speaker 5: and Tomato for your on site support as well, and

2524
02:02:50,627 --> 02:02:52,747
Speaker 5: to Andy McDonald beck in the studio who doesn't get

2525
02:02:52,787 --> 02:02:54,507
Speaker 5: any of the fun. You just have to sit there

2526
02:02:54,547 --> 02:02:56,107
Speaker 5: and kind of push buttons.

2527
02:02:56,187 --> 02:02:58,867
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, I'm glad you'll just get to know what

2528
02:02:58,907 --> 02:03:02,147
Speaker 24: I've been feeling again for the past last three weeks.

2529
02:03:02,147 --> 02:03:03,707
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go to a pub straight after this.

2530
02:03:03,827 --> 02:03:06,347
Speaker 2: I think good, good, So you should, so you should

2531
02:03:06,387 --> 02:03:07,467
Speaker 2: have you got a song before.

2532
02:03:07,227 --> 02:03:07,507
Speaker 7: You do that?

2533
02:03:07,587 --> 02:03:08,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do Pinney.

2534
02:03:10,307 --> 02:03:10,827
Speaker 3: Cold Play.

2535
02:03:10,947 --> 02:03:12,467
Speaker 2: I've got cold Play that lead us out.

2536
02:03:13,907 --> 02:03:17,107
Speaker 24: I'm sure if anyone lives near an internet or has

2537
02:03:17,147 --> 02:03:18,227
Speaker 24: access to it, you know why.

2538
02:03:19,227 --> 02:03:22,267
Speaker 2: Enjoy, We'll enjoy. We'll see tomorrow. To wrap the tears

2539
02:03:22,267 --> 02:03:23,347
Speaker 2: from mid Day, Piping.

2540
02:03:23,147 --> 02:03:45,947
Speaker 25: Out Shine.

2541
02:03:49,227 --> 02:03:55,467
Speaker 4: Shine Shine.

2542
02:04:00,307 --> 02:04:06,267
Speaker 25: Shine by.

2543
02:04:06,547 --> 02:04:16,587
Speaker 13: Follow the cola Shine look at the start the card

2544
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Speaker 13: the Shine Fall.

2545
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Speaker 4: Are the things that you do For more from Weekend

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Speaker 4: Sport with Jason Fine.

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