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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number two fifty seven for Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the fourth of December twenty twenty five. Great show today,

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Speaker 2: flat pack f What was the subject. The main job

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Speaker 2: here is to welcome pete people to the podcasts and

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Speaker 2: mention the one we didn't get to. So we didn't

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Speaker 2: get to so we had a great chat about flat packs.

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Speaker 2: Some great chat there about the flat pack backlash and

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Speaker 2: the flat pack Bandwagon yep, nicely said the if pb

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Speaker 2: L and the fpb W. That was fantastic and really

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Speaker 2: good chats about the whole bloody yeah, bloody what's it was?

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Speaker 2: Social media band It was for the old kids. It

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Speaker 2: was incredible, it was It was great chat.

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Speaker 3: And the one we left out ah lazy old generation

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Speaker 3: z ah yah they're not happy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not happy with their job. So we might

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Speaker 2: get to that one tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, great show, download, subscribe, Tell of friends

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said, be well, get at of you, welcome into

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Speaker 3: Thursday show. Really great to have your company as always.

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Speaker 3: Hope you're doing pretty well. Weave you're listening in this

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Speaker 3: beautiful country of ours. Matt Heath, Hello, hello, Tyler?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty good mate, I'm pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone? Thanks you tuning in now, you know, and

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Speaker 2: you know what, You've got to be careful at this

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Speaker 2: time of year, Tyler, you do? And everyone putting it

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Speaker 2: in neutral and just cruising downhill into Christmas. There's still

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Speaker 2: it's only the fourth of December. There's still weeks of

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Speaker 2: productivity yep. And you know, kicking goals going at one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Percent, yep, going hard.

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Speaker 2: Don't just I don't want to hear you Tyler, shoving

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Speaker 2: a neutral and just coasting downhill to Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Kay, what about first gear? I'll try. I'll try to

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Speaker 3: rack it up to third gear. Usually I do. Usually

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Speaker 3: I do. I start strong and then it slowly just

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Speaker 2: The middle and first at fifth right in those rivs, right,

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Speaker 2: down right down State Highway one to Fantastic Radio.

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Speaker 3: I can definitely do that. Hey, just before we get

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Speaker 3: into today's show. You know, a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 3: we were talking about stupid stuff that council spends money on. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and some people dick through when they were talking about libraries.

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Speaker 3: You know, why are we spending so much money on libraries?

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Speaker 3: Because nobody ever goes. And the other night I decided

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Speaker 3: see because I wanted to get out of particular book.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what surprised me. Do you still

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Speaker 3: Well you should, because if you go into your library,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna make me sound like a granddad. I don't

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Speaker 3: care their DVD selection. Out of this World. I rented Weapons,

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Speaker 3: great movie. I've seen it before, but rented that. I

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Speaker 3: don't actually have a DVD player. I've got my Xbox

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got it for free? Got it for free. That's

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Speaker 3: It felt like going back into video easy. I just

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Speaker 3: had that lovely nostalgic moment. They've got the wee racks there,

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Speaker 2: There used to be something quite good about that, you know,

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Speaker 3: old ones. You've got ten bucks to spend. New releases

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Speaker 2: This is hurtful, this text, Maddie. It's clear you've been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you said it, mate. We all know,

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Speaker 3: a doozy for you after three o'clock. Ikea is opening

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Speaker 2: I'm starting the flat pack back lash. I have made

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Speaker 2: care if they're the high colony flat packs or the terrible,

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Speaker 2: Insult to wood that flat placks are made out of

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Speaker 3: Generational furniture.

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Speaker 2: Generational furniture, and there's plenty of stuff. You know, people say,

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Speaker 2: You go in there, you buy yourself. It's just say,

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Speaker 2: put a lick a paint on it. So much better

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Speaker 3: Going to be good. After two o'clock, there's a new

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Speaker 3: report out from Seek the Job website, So it shows

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Speaker 3: when it comes to happiness at work. Generation Z, we're

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Speaker 3: But they also said they expected to have a level

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Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, do you have to be Does your

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Speaker 2: you do outside of work. You can't. I mean, very

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Speaker 2: And also I would say that's the age when you

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Speaker 3: That's when you do the hard graph. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the wide question is should you expect your

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Speaker 2: do what the parents say, we'll all congregate together without

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Speaker 2: potential risk, you know, as you're just creating a kid's

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Speaker 2: I think personally that it would be ideal if kids

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Speaker 2: out how to play the particular songs, you know, it

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Speaker 3: Right, which is brilliant. Yeah, I do it as well.

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Speaker 3: Those there's so many videos to teach you how to

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Speaker 2: And so there's a huge amount of social media that

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Speaker 2: under these circumstances, you could still use YouTube in that regard, yes,

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Speaker 2: So how old are the is are your niece and

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Speaker 6: When you think Ben, well, these guys they all did

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Speaker 2: Are your niece and nephew if you don't mind me

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Speaker 6: I think that's where you've got to be with your kids.

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Speaker 2: So your your your your brothers are preparing your child

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then what you might end up doing, sorry Tyler,

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Speaker 10: You're like, you'll never look at me the same and You're.

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Speaker 8: Right back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 8: with the Defendant News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Sure, it is hop Pass one and

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Speaker 3: we are talking about the social media ban for under sixteen's.

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Speaker 3: It is due to coming to force in Australia at

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Speaker 3: the end of this week and there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: of talk from the Prime Minister and the coalition about

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Speaker 3: bringing it in here. What do you say, good idea

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Speaker 3: or does it have too many fish or so? One

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten.

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Speaker 2: Eight The six says society will turn ferrol without laws,

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Speaker 2: you will get yours. Now, what I'm saying is that,

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Speaker 2: in terms of the breaching of laws, getting around a

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Speaker 2: sign and to social media would be on the lower

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Speaker 2: level of offending with it. Yeah, definite compared to I mean,

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Speaker 2: is there anyone that doesn't do I'm just trying to think.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, gros of laws that you.

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Speaker 2: Grow something on their burm that they're not allowed to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speeding, you know, breaking the speed limit cheap as

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Speaker 3: I do that most weeks. You know, I'm not crazy

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Speaker 3: over the top, but sometimes I'll be. I'll be riding

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Speaker 3: fifty six and a fifty you know that's against the law.

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Speaker 3: That is against the law.

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Speaker 2: Shocking admission. You need to be tasted for that.

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Speaker 3: The boss is walking in already, I think. I think

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Speaker 3: I've just ended my career.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a career career ender. I'm just trying

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Speaker 2: to think of the low level laws that we all break,

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Speaker 2: we will breach. I think most people are doing a

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Speaker 2: bit of breaching around the COVID.

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Speaker 3: Times letting your dog off leash in a traditionally on

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Speaker 3: leash area and a few people that do that exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's low level.

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Speaker 2: If there's a law, yeah, I mean it's an interesting question.

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Speaker 2: If there's a law that you don't agree with, should

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Speaker 2: you follow it. There's some that you probably pushed back on.

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Speaker 2: I mean I broadly agree with most laws. Yeah, hugely

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Speaker 2: Anti murder.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one to be anti.

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Speaker 2: But if murder is at this end of the scale,

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Speaker 2: and sneaking around the back of a social media band

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Speaker 2: is at the other end, I would say that I

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Speaker 2: would say it would be at the other end, is

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Did I hear you?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 11: You?

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Speaker 2: Fascist?

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Speaker 3: Here we go?

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Speaker 2: Online anonymity is a good thing. Really, I bet you

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Speaker 2: one those keyboard warriors out there amusing people like a coward,

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Speaker 2: too scared to face the consequences of the stuff you say.

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Speaker 2: Once again, I found myself disgusted by your take on air. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you keep coming back, don't you. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think you can say a lot of things about me.

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Speaker 2: I personally don't think I'm a fascist. But also I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm too scared to face the consequences of

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Speaker 2: the stuff I say. Otherwise I wouldn't do Matt Heath

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Adams afternoons on New Stalks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be You do it every day, and you deal

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Speaker 3: with anonymous people sitting for a lot of abuse.

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Speaker 2: Case in point, you're anonymous, Yeah, yeah, but for us,

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Speaker 2: we have a name on the show, exact Heath and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Adams. It's right at the start.

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Speaker 3: You know who we are. This is zero at hide

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Speaker 3: from it. This is zero anonymity. Here are we taking

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Speaker 3: more of your calls?

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Speaker 6: I e.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty parents.

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Speaker 2: Think that this will make their life easier, but it

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Speaker 2: won't necessarily sort out all their problems. Hopefully won't lead

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Speaker 2: other risky behavior. Navigating around tricky issues is better than

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Speaker 2: banning says this text.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, coming up after the headlines, we are taking

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Speaker 3: your thoughts on the potential social media band for under

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Speaker 3: sixteens coming to Zellen. But we're also going to have

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Speaker 3: a chat to the Free Speech Union's chief executive Julaane Heather.

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Speaker 3: They've got some major concerns when it comes to the

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Speaker 3: idea of banning social media for under sixteens, so we'll

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Speaker 3: have a chat to her next. It is twenty six

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Speaker 3: to two US talk said.

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Speaker 12: The headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with

519
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Speaker 12: a blue bubble. The government's posting a larger operating balance

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Speaker 12: deficit than forecast at four point nine billion dollars excluding

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Speaker 12: acc netcore Crown debt was down on forecasts at forty

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Speaker 12: two point eight percent of GDP, but still above the target.

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Speaker 12: Environmental and energy groups say the government should rethink plans

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Speaker 12: for a liquefied natural gas terminal because it'll waste hundreds

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Speaker 12: of millions of dollars and compromise carbon targets. Willworths has

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Speaker 12: admitted a charge under the Food Act of failing to

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Speaker 12: control a rat infestation in a South Dunedin store last year.

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Speaker 12: It'll be sentenced in March, the Overseas Investment Office has

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Speaker 12: approved Fonterra's sale of Anchor Mainland and Carpety ice cream

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Speaker 12: to a French company. Fonterra's aiming to get the deal

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Speaker 12: through by midnext year. Butter topped the list of kiw

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Speaker 12: how to Google searches for the year, as prices soor

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Speaker 12: nearly thirty percent annually. People also wanted to know how

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Speaker 12: to invest in shares and make buttermilk. Audrey Young on

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Speaker 12: why Andrew Costa's apology had all the feeling of a

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Speaker 12: piece of wood. You can see her full column at

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Speaker 12: and Said Herald Premium. Back to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Trailane. So as Australia begins at

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Speaker 3: social media band to under sixteen year olds, the Free

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Speaker 3: Speech Union has worn that doing the same here would

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Speaker 3: do more harm than good. To discuss further, we're joined

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Speaker 3: by Julaine Heather, Free Speech Union Chief Executive Julaine very

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Speaker 3: good afternoon to you, Cura.

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Speaker 10: Tyler, Kyoda, Matt, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Do under sixteen year olds have the same rights to

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Speaker 2: free speech as the rest of us?

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Speaker 10: No, it is our position literally as an organization we

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Speaker 10: legislate for children all the time on a different on

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Speaker 10: a different level than adults, you know, in terms of schooling, drinking, voting,

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Speaker 10: so many, so many aspects. So they don't have the

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Speaker 10: same rights as adults. That doesn't mean they have no rights,

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Speaker 10: though I do absolutely think that taking away or banning

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Speaker 10: their access makes them digitally illiterate and does not set

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Speaker 10: them up for the future.

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Speaker 11: But the rights are different, so.

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Speaker 2: They have some rights. And if we do remove the

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Speaker 2: sixteen year olds from social media, does this just remove

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Speaker 2: young voices from what is essentially now the public square

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Speaker 2: of discourse in modern societies.

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Speaker 10: No, exactly. So look, our concerns are twofold. One of them,

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Speaker 10: the most the largest, is that any system that we

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Speaker 10: think that will be built to protect kids will actually

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Speaker 10: end up limiting lawful speech for adults, either you know,

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Speaker 10: censorship collect then excessive personal data you know, etcetera, or

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Speaker 10: limiting access for people to get on to the digital marketplace.

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Speaker 10: So our main concern is that we have not seen

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Speaker 10: a system that's rolled out that doesn't have false positives

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Speaker 10: and doesn't actually end up censoring and limiting freedom of

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Speaker 10: expression for adults. But then to your second point, I

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Speaker 10: absolutely think it takes well. It takes away the young

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Speaker 10: voices from their marketplace, their ability to interact with each other,

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Speaker 10: their ability to enter into businesses, their ability to seek help,

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Speaker 10: seek information, etc. And as we all know, we're already

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Speaker 10: seeing it. It just drives them. It's funneling them to

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Speaker 10: different sites, and it will funnel them out of the light,

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Speaker 10: literally to darker and darker and dodgier sites. They're already going, right,

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Speaker 10: They're already clean in the masses.

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Speaker 2: Seems to be the case that Australia there are there's

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Speaker 2: some parts of it, because I'll ask you about digital

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Speaker 2: anonymity in a minute, but what's been suggested in Australia,

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Speaker 2: there are some safeguards are around people's information, like the

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Speaker 2: data must be used only for age verification where and

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Speaker 2: then must be deleted. No, there's no central government database

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Speaker 2: of the information taken by these platforms to check someone

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Speaker 2: at the ages and you know, strict penalties for misuse,

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Speaker 2: so people will still be allowed to be anonymous in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe those safeguards are enough that they're bring

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Speaker 2: in Australia.

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Speaker 10: How many breaches have we seen from the UK when

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Speaker 10: they brought their acting in July already happening?

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Speaker 5: Was it?

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Speaker 10: How many millions on discord? Was there a data breach?

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Speaker 10: Our data is not safe out there? And I think

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Speaker 10: collecting sensitive data for young people is literally what they

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Speaker 10: term a honeypot in terms of we've just created a

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Speaker 10: holy grail for people to go after. The government talks

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Speaker 10: about data, but how many data breaches literally occur almost

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Speaker 10: every day around the world here. So look, I think

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Speaker 10: the problem is real. You know there's predatory algorithms, If

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Speaker 10: there's harm to kids from some of the social media,

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Speaker 10: address the problem, make it a proportional response, empirically verified,

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Speaker 10: and actually, you know, improve the digital literacy, improve the

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Speaker 10: parental tools, improve the education, and go after the platforms

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Speaker 10: for that asymmetrical algorithm addicting sort of bit. It's a

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Speaker 10: bluntfall that they're doing. I think it's led to sort

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Speaker 10: of virtue signaling. I don't think it works, and we

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Speaker 10: know the kids will find a way around it.

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Speaker 3: Well, what I say to the argument Julane that they're

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Speaker 3: having over in Australia right now with this legislation, that

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Speaker 3: they know that there will be people that will bypass

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Speaker 3: the band and it's not going to be finable offense

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Speaker 3: if you do that. There's obviously some steep fines for

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Speaker 3: the platforms that don't take reasonable steps, but there's flexibility

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Speaker 3: in that law. So their argument is this is a

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Speaker 3: step in the right direction, but it's not going to

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Speaker 3: be ironclad. It's not going to catch every under sixteen

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Speaker 3: year old using the social media, but it's an effort

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Speaker 3: to try and change behavior.

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Speaker 10: I think culture changes behavior. Not passing a law that

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Speaker 10: doesn't actually probably address the problem. As soon as you

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Speaker 10: prohibit something, what happens. Prohibition just doesn't work, right, it

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Speaker 10: makes it almost more desirable. I look, I absolutely understand

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Speaker 10: the impetus. I understand the protective you know, sort of

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Speaker 10: urge that people are feeling, and I know there are

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Speaker 10: real harms out there. I just think this is a

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Speaker 10: really blunt instrument that hasn't been proved to work so far,

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Speaker 10: and we'll just drive kids into different places underground, you know,

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Speaker 10: et cetera. Look, it's the school holidays. Australia is bringing

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Speaker 10: this in at a time when kids are going to

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Speaker 10: have all the time in the world on their hands.

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Speaker 10: I bet you that they are not outside plane on

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Speaker 10: the eleventh of December I bet you that they're on

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Speaker 10: VPNs and social media figuring out a way around or

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Speaker 10: just going to new platforms right until the government comes

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Speaker 10: after those platforms.

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Speaker 2: It could potentially make just a whole generation of really

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Speaker 2: digitally sneaky people, yeah, you know that have trained from

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Speaker 2: a young age to circumvent regulations. Now we're hearing this

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Speaker 2: a lot, and this is a wider issue, but we're

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Speaker 2: hearing a lot on the text machine right now. What

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Speaker 2: is the problem with people using their real names online?

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Speaker 2: People say it will, you know, make the discourse better

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Speaker 2: if people have to back up what they're saying with

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Speaker 2: their reputations in real life. So is anonymousy online important

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Speaker 2: for free speech? And why?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, exactly. Look I believe that it is. And look,

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Speaker 10: don't get me wrong, I would love more managed to

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Speaker 10: come back in every aspect of our lives. And I

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Speaker 10: think that would absolutely help with discourse and people knowing

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Speaker 10: who you are. I think that does give another level

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Speaker 10: and sort of shut down some of the trolls. But

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Speaker 10: the ability to criticize government, the ability to criticize your employer,

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Speaker 10: the ability to criticize systems where maybe your job's at

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Speaker 10: at risk, maybe you're you know, the society that you're

656
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Speaker 10: in doesn't doesn't like conformity of thought. There seems to

657
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Speaker 10: be a lot of conformity of thought at the moment.

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Speaker 10: So I think the ability for pseudo anonymity to go

659
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Speaker 10: on to comment on things, to actually raise discussions that

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Speaker 10: like even during COVID for instance, or you know, other

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Speaker 10: periods that we've been through, for people to actually raise

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Speaker 10: real issues when otherwise they might have felt afraid to

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Speaker 10: or felt that they would be sanctioned at work or

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Speaker 10: shunned from their community. We need an outlet for that.

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Speaker 10: But believing me, if we could bring back more manners,

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Speaker 10: are they're big fans?

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Speaker 12: You know?

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Speaker 2: Further that point and issues that were raised, And of

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Speaker 2: course there's been a lot of talk about how these

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Speaker 2: big tech companies engaged in censorship and with pressure from

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Speaker 2: the governments, particularly in the United States but all around

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Speaker 2: the world. Do we want tech companies to be the

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Speaker 2: gatekeepers on public discourse? And isn't this kind of what

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Speaker 2: we're empowering them to be that they are the people

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Speaker 2: because because you know, this Australian law particularly puts the

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Speaker 2: onus on them. So are you comfortable with them these

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Speaker 2: big corporations being the gatekeepers.

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Speaker 10: I'm very uncomfortable with that sort of power in anyone

679
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Speaker 10: else's hands, right except for those really bright lines of

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Speaker 10: you know, incitement and direct harm, et cetera. Look in

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Speaker 10: a way, by default, these large companies already control so

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Speaker 10: much of what we see and so much of what

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Speaker 10: we do, but the government then handing them more and

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Speaker 10: more power. We saw that in the in the UK

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Speaker 10: with the Online Safety Actor came into effect in July,

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Speaker 10: and the platforms just pulled. They were pulling news, they

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Speaker 10: were pulling you know, factual reports and things from the

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Speaker 10: universities and professors because it referenced violence, or it referenced

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Speaker 10: this all that, and like it's that it's a blunt instrument.

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Speaker 10: I don't want the power in the data company. Let's

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Speaker 10: go after they how they use the data that they have.

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Speaker 10: Let's address data sovereignty. Let's look at the predatory algorithms,

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Speaker 10: and let's find a way to incentivize the companies to

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Speaker 10: you know, or misincentivize them, to incentivize them to sort

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Speaker 10: of fix those algorithms as opposed to these blunt bands

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Speaker 10: that that will censor adults as well. And you know,

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Speaker 10: and our supporters are very concerned that this does turn

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Speaker 10: into sort of a default, you know, digital ID program,

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Speaker 10: which we did see the UK going down straight after

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Speaker 10: the when they bought the Online Safety Act in Julane.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for coming on. I haven't chat

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Speaker 3: with us and your expertise really interesting. Taking your calls

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Speaker 3: on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've heard from

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Speaker 3: the Free Speech Union to say that will do more

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Speaker 3: harm than good. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you agree eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: or do you think the damage that social media is

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Speaker 2: doing to under sixteen's is so bad that we need

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Speaker 2: just a to snip it off? Anyway we can.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen to two.

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Speaker 2: A fresh take on Talkback.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons have your say on eight.

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Speaker 3: Talk It is eleven to two Chris Keen to get

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Speaker 3: your thoughts on this idea of the social media band

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Speaker 3: for teenagers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, good it go.

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Speaker 4: So I reckon the mental health sector with young people

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Speaker 4: are and say it's what I work for or anything,

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Speaker 4: but I think I think in terms of a ban,

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Speaker 4: I think it's working part, but I think young people

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Speaker 4: are always going to find a way around it. But

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Speaker 4: I think it's about giving parents the power or knowledge

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Speaker 4: that social media isn't okay, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: parents out there that don't understand the harms that it

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Speaker 4: can cause. So I think in turn, having having a

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Speaker 4: band for under sixteens will help parents be able to

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Speaker 4: enforce it easier with their kids if it's something that

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Speaker 4: other parents get behind as well.

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Speaker 2: So you think that the parents will have the tool

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Speaker 2: of saying this is illegal. You know, you're not just

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Speaker 2: in trouble with me, you're in trouble with the law

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Speaker 2: doing this.

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Speaker 4: Yep, that's one hundred percent right. Like it's the same

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Speaker 4: they did it with energy drinks. You know, you've got

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Speaker 4: to be a certain age that countdown to will works

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Speaker 4: to go and buy any drinks. It just pops up

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Speaker 4: and says yes or no. Are you sixteen? You've cut yes,

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Speaker 4: and you buy the energy drink. But for some young

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Speaker 4: people they go, oh, I'm not meant to do this,

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Speaker 4: so I won't. So we see like lots of young

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Speaker 4: people sending nudes things like that through Snapchat. They don't

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Speaker 4: understand the repercussions of it, and we deal with it

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Speaker 4: with a lot of that and parents don't know this

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff's happening or what platforms do what. So

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Speaker 4: I think I think just having something that parents can

746
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Speaker 4: kind of say, hey, you're not actually not meant to

747
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Speaker 4: be on there, or you're not allowed it's illegal to

748
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Speaker 4: be on there, it might help. There'll be some parents

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Speaker 4: that don't care, but I think it's about a tool.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's the same with drug use. Kids are going to

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Speaker 4: use drugs, but some young people don't use drugs because

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Speaker 4: it's illegal, you know, So there's always going to be

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Speaker 4: the exception to the rule. But I think having some

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Speaker 4: kind of band just will hopefully empower parents to you know,

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Speaker 4: get behind it and be able to say, hey, lots,

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Speaker 4: this is illegal. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And your work, what are the what what are you seeing?

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Speaker 2: What is what is the mental health effect of social

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Speaker 2: media that that you're seeing in your work?

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Speaker 4: So for us, it's it's it's like you know, when

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Speaker 4: I was young, a little a long time ago, if

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Speaker 4: you were bullied or things like that, that kind of

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Speaker 4: stopped as soon as you walked in, you know, as

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Speaker 4: soon as you left school or you got home. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't stop. You know. Young people are staying up late

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Speaker 4: at night it's still getting bombarded with with messages and

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Speaker 4: and bullying things, or being accepted into group chats, and

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Speaker 4: they kept out of group chats. So some young people

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Speaker 4: will say mean things about a young person, invite that

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Speaker 4: young person into the chats, they can read what's happening,

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Speaker 4: or people are saying awful about them, and then they

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Speaker 4: kicked them out of the chat so they can't respond

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Speaker 4: to it. You know, there's grooming. You know, you've got

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Speaker 4: lots of kids that are meeting people online and meeting

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Speaker 4: up with them and so yeah, so this is all

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Speaker 4: of those types of things that are kind of happening.

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Speaker 4: Drug dealing truly easy as well, but you know that's

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Speaker 4: like discord and things like that, which are the primary

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Speaker 4: purposes for chatting, not for that fund of stuff. But

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Speaker 4: you find those malicious things in everything.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, yeah, Chris, very interesting thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate you calling in. Oh e one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number to call really keen

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Speaker 3: on your thoughts about the social media band for under sixteens.

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Speaker 3: It's seven to two.

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Speaker 1: Maddies Tylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen, Tyler Adams, Afternoons

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Speaker 1: News Dogs.

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Speaker 3: Be afternoon to you. It is four to two. Quite

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Speaker 3: a few texts coming through. On nine, two ninety.

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Speaker 2: Two, Shannon says, Hi, I run a page for my

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Speaker 2: boys sporting Jenny, and now he's thirteen, he cooperates with

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Speaker 2: that page. I like that he is learning how to

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Speaker 2: navigate social media with my guidance. What I would be

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Speaker 2: concerned about is him spending time online when he should

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Speaker 2: be out socializing and playing. I mean, that's one of

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Speaker 2: the problems with social media. Isn't at hijack's healthy socializing

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Speaker 2: and and favors algorithm based social lizing, and so it

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Speaker 2: hits that social box, that sort of social instincts for

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Speaker 2: the profit of big tech.

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Speaker 3: Right to mass the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this sixth says, you say your name is on

804
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Speaker 2: the show, but who are you? Matt Heath? Are you real?

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Speaker 2: You don't seem real. Is that your real name? How

806
00:38:32,413 --> 00:38:34,613
Speaker 2: would we know you are no different from an online troll?

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Speaker 2: If it's not May, I'd be surprised. I've been running

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Speaker 2: a pretty long game. Yeah, you know, since my high

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Speaker 2: school friends made a TV show on TVNZ in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one. That's a long time to be running

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Speaker 2: a pseudonym.

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Speaker 3: News is next.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZIB Afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Seven

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Speaker 3: past two. So we've been talking about the social media

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00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:02,213
Speaker 3: band for under sixteen's. It comes into effect in Australia

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Speaker 3: at the end of this week meta who owns Facebook,

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Speaker 3: Instagram and threads that are already onto it. They are

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Speaker 3: removing undreds of thousands of accounts who they believe are

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Speaker 3: owned by under sixteen year olds from today and a

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Speaker 3: lot of other countries are watching how it all goes

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Speaker 3: for Australia, including our country. The Prime Minister Christopher Luxen

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Speaker 3: made mention a few weeks ago that they are hoping

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Speaker 3: to bring in a bill before next next year's election

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Speaker 3: to do something very similar here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all agree that social media is

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Speaker 2: having mental health repercussions for our young people and people

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Speaker 2: of all ages actually, but I mean there is a

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Speaker 2: few questions around it. Does this just drive kids to

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Speaker 2: dodgier parts of the internets, circumventing the platforms, the big

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Speaker 2: platforms that we all know about and then are under

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Speaker 2: our scrutiny. Does it make a bunch of sneaky kids

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Speaker 2: running around and the wild wild West of the internet,

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Speaker 2: And you know, does it make their digital literacy literacy worse?

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Speaker 2: And so when they actually end up online, they are

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Speaker 2: more susceptible to the damage, because when you're sixteen, you're

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Speaker 2: still susceptible to all kinds of damage. And then, of

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Speaker 2: course there's the free free speech issues of allowing these

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Speaker 2: big tech companies to be the gatekeepers of people's age

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Speaker 2: and whether it around online and do you think it

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Speaker 2: stops here or does he think it moves to banning

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Speaker 2: content after this?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

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Speaker 3: number to call? And if you're a parent, hand on heart,

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Speaker 3: do you think you do know exactly what your teenager

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Speaker 3: under sixteen is looking at when they are online? How

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Speaker 3: much control do you have over that? Do they allow

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Speaker 3: you into their social media? I love to hear from you?

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two's a text?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's something in what what was his name?

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Speaker 2: He was called? Sorry? I think was Chris that who

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Speaker 2: works in the mental health that talked to us just

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Speaker 2: before he was Chris just before the break and he

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Speaker 2: was saying, there is something in the parents being able

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Speaker 2: to say it's not just me. You're not fighting me

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Speaker 2: on this, this is the law. You aren't allowed to

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Speaker 2: be circumventing this and trying to get onto these sites. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and also potentially it removes a little bit of the

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Speaker 2: social stigma of not being on there. If you're fourteen,

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Speaker 2: you go, well, I just can't because it's illegal and

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Speaker 2: my parents won't allow it because it's the legal.

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Speaker 3: Which I think is a fair point. Yeah, because it's

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Speaker 3: a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: FOMO is a big part of it, being behind And

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Speaker 2: if that's where kids are socializing and your parents put down,

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Speaker 2: put their foot down and say no, you can't be online,

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Speaker 2: but all your friends are, then you feel left out

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Speaker 2: and maybe you are left.

871
00:41:31,093 --> 00:41:33,853
Speaker 3: Outside that cast. Yeah. Absolutely, that's what happens when you're

872
00:41:33,853 --> 00:41:34,413
Speaker 3: a teenager.

873
00:41:34,613 --> 00:41:38,133
Speaker 2: But also I mean kind of, I mean you can't,

874
00:41:38,173 --> 00:41:41,773
Speaker 2: as another text said before, you know, you can't change

875
00:41:41,773 --> 00:41:43,413
Speaker 2: the path. You've got to prepare your kids for the

876
00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:45,453
Speaker 2: path that they're going to tread. You can't change the

877
00:41:45,493 --> 00:41:48,093
Speaker 2: path for them. So part of being a parent is

878
00:41:48,133 --> 00:41:51,133
Speaker 2: making your kids competent for the real world and making

879
00:41:51,173 --> 00:41:54,173
Speaker 2: this as competent as soon as you can, because you

880
00:41:54,213 --> 00:41:56,173
Speaker 2: can't be with them ever, and you can't ban everything.

881
00:41:56,293 --> 00:41:59,053
Speaker 2: You know, you have to make kids that can handle

882
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:02,493
Speaker 2: the environment that they're going to be spewed out into.

883
00:42:03,133 --> 00:42:06,973
Speaker 2: And that environment is going to be online and absolutely

884
00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:10,652
Speaker 2: riddled with vacuous, disgusting, terrifying, dangerous social media.

885
00:42:10,693 --> 00:42:14,973
Speaker 3: It's a crazy place out there. Rob you recont okay, mate,

886
00:42:14,973 --> 00:42:16,693
Speaker 3: you reckon the cats out of the bag on this one.

887
00:42:17,413 --> 00:42:17,652
Speaker 13: Yeah.

888
00:42:17,973 --> 00:42:18,733
Speaker 4: Completely.

889
00:42:19,093 --> 00:42:23,573
Speaker 14: Like I'm I'm thirty eight now, so I've grown up

890
00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:27,293
Speaker 14: through the rise of the Internet. And back when I

891
00:42:27,333 --> 00:42:29,413
Speaker 14: was at high school, we used to have blocks so

892
00:42:29,533 --> 00:42:34,013
Speaker 14: you can go off the websites that the school allowed allowed,

893
00:42:34,213 --> 00:42:36,693
Speaker 14: but we all quickly worked out how to how to

894
00:42:36,733 --> 00:42:39,813
Speaker 14: get proxies and get out onto the internet where we

895
00:42:39,933 --> 00:42:42,333
Speaker 14: wanted to be at school and stuff like that. And

896
00:42:42,373 --> 00:42:44,213
Speaker 14: you look at it nowadays you want to do something

897
00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:48,733
Speaker 14: like I definitely don't use a VPN to watch BBC

898
00:42:48,853 --> 00:42:51,533
Speaker 14: iPlayer things like that.

899
00:42:52,573 --> 00:42:55,893
Speaker 2: But those people they've got clever at it, haven't they.

900
00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:59,293
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't know, but the BBC seems to beginning

901
00:42:59,333 --> 00:43:01,213
Speaker 2: better at detecting a VPN.

902
00:43:03,933 --> 00:43:09,133
Speaker 14: Well, I haven't had I allegedly haven't had any issues.

903
00:43:09,573 --> 00:43:13,172
Speaker 14: But it all comes down to what should happen as

904
00:43:13,653 --> 00:43:19,213
Speaker 14: parental responsibility in teaching kids to use these things properly.

905
00:43:19,813 --> 00:43:22,893
Speaker 14: That's never going to happen because there's a hell of

906
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:24,053
Speaker 14: a lot of parents out there.

907
00:43:23,933 --> 00:43:24,973
Speaker 5: Who do not care.

908
00:43:26,813 --> 00:43:29,853
Speaker 14: And yeah, with everything, there's a way around it, and

909
00:43:29,893 --> 00:43:33,053
Speaker 14: it's not that hard to find.

910
00:43:34,653 --> 00:43:36,772
Speaker 2: Do you think it will lower You know, it might

911
00:43:36,813 --> 00:43:39,813
Speaker 2: not get everyone, and some people will sneak around the back,

912
00:43:40,013 --> 00:43:43,373
Speaker 2: but do you think overall it will lower the amount

913
00:43:43,453 --> 00:43:47,172
Speaker 2: of under sixteens that are on social media and as

914
00:43:47,213 --> 00:43:50,652
Speaker 2: a result, potentially save some kids from the from from

915
00:43:50,733 --> 00:43:55,252
Speaker 2: the damage and potentially shits change. I mean potentially change

916
00:43:55,253 --> 00:43:58,133
Speaker 2: things enough that there's enough kids not on social media

917
00:43:58,253 --> 00:44:02,212
Speaker 2: they start socializing the old school way and that sort

918
00:44:02,213 --> 00:44:04,093
Speaker 2: of has a chance of surviving if you get what

919
00:44:04,093 --> 00:44:05,453
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's a bit of a round about question,

920
00:44:05,493 --> 00:44:06,493
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm gonning.

921
00:44:07,213 --> 00:44:10,813
Speaker 14: I don't think it'll make it, But I've got a

922
00:44:10,853 --> 00:44:15,772
Speaker 14: couple of examples. My cousin's got a thirteen year old

923
00:44:16,173 --> 00:44:19,813
Speaker 14: and he's only just gotten his first cell phone, and

924
00:44:19,933 --> 00:44:26,293
Speaker 14: he's had kind of limits and supervision with computers and

925
00:44:26,333 --> 00:44:29,453
Speaker 14: the Internet and all that sort of thing, and he

926
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:33,893
Speaker 14: is a brilliant kid. He comes around, he'll be out

927
00:44:33,893 --> 00:44:34,973
Speaker 14: in the card and playing.

928
00:44:35,213 --> 00:44:36,013
Speaker 6: He will be.

929
00:44:36,053 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 14: Taking my metal detector and trying to find things. He'll

930
00:44:38,573 --> 00:44:41,172
Speaker 14: be wanting to get out and do stuff. Even though

931
00:44:41,213 --> 00:44:44,692
Speaker 14: now he does have the phone and access to it.

932
00:44:45,893 --> 00:44:48,333
Speaker 14: He's like I was when I was a kid. But

933
00:44:48,373 --> 00:44:50,733
Speaker 14: then on the other hand, I've got a friend who's

934
00:44:51,973 --> 00:44:55,213
Speaker 14: got kids around the same AID group, and they've just

935
00:44:55,653 --> 00:45:01,093
Speaker 14: never been really supervised with internet and stuff, and they

936
00:45:01,133 --> 00:45:06,053
Speaker 14: are just constantly glued to their phones. Language they use

937
00:45:06,093 --> 00:45:12,333
Speaker 14: to their parents as palling, They flitter around, they've got

938
00:45:13,653 --> 00:45:18,453
Speaker 14: the attention stand up and NAT And I'm actually diagnosed

939
00:45:18,453 --> 00:45:20,973
Speaker 14: at e HD, so I know what that's like. And

940
00:45:20,973 --> 00:45:26,093
Speaker 14: it's not for the cool factor that I'm diagnosed, but yeah,

941
00:45:26,133 --> 00:45:30,093
Speaker 14: I can see it giving them that sort it's taken

942
00:45:30,133 --> 00:45:36,533
Speaker 14: away their their childhoods and their attention and everything over

943
00:45:36,613 --> 00:45:39,413
Speaker 14: being on these apps, and it's it is up to

944
00:45:39,493 --> 00:45:43,333
Speaker 14: parents to try and control the limited. But unfortunately that's

945
00:45:43,413 --> 00:45:44,333
Speaker 14: not going to happen either.

946
00:45:44,973 --> 00:45:48,613
Speaker 3: Just on the workaround robs, you know, allegedly, we'll just

947
00:45:48,773 --> 00:45:51,373
Speaker 3: keep using that word when you want to figure out

948
00:45:51,373 --> 00:45:54,253
Speaker 3: a workaround to use something like the BBC Player or

949
00:45:54,253 --> 00:45:57,213
Speaker 3: watch something on HBO Max that is available in New Zealand.

950
00:45:57,613 --> 00:46:01,292
Speaker 3: Don't you go to those social media sites to get

951
00:46:01,333 --> 00:46:04,413
Speaker 3: that information. So if it's banned for under sixteens, maybe

952
00:46:04,493 --> 00:46:07,773
Speaker 3: just maybe that information will be gate kept.

953
00:46:09,973 --> 00:46:16,853
Speaker 14: Well actually slightly different topic, but relates you want to

954
00:46:16,893 --> 00:46:20,212
Speaker 14: know anything go as chat tikt right.

955
00:46:20,373 --> 00:46:23,652
Speaker 3: Interesting, that's how to how to bypass a few things,

956
00:46:23,653 --> 00:46:23,933
Speaker 3: does it?

957
00:46:24,733 --> 00:46:28,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's one of the problems as well that

958
00:46:28,053 --> 00:46:30,573
Speaker 2: they're talking about as some of the most harmful stuff

959
00:46:30,733 --> 00:46:34,373
Speaker 2: as the relationships that people under sixteen are having with

960
00:46:34,813 --> 00:46:38,133
Speaker 2: you know, AI chatbots and stuff that hasn't been banned.

961
00:46:38,213 --> 00:46:40,293
Speaker 3: That's a great angle to come into it because as

962
00:46:40,293 --> 00:46:42,853
Speaker 3: that social media know but as you say, it can

963
00:46:42,893 --> 00:46:44,773
Speaker 3: be incredibly dangerous to a young person.

964
00:46:45,733 --> 00:46:49,373
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, and it's social media isn't the only thing

965
00:46:49,653 --> 00:46:54,013
Speaker 14: it is just porn is the biggest thing on the Internet,

966
00:46:54,253 --> 00:46:59,212
Speaker 14: and that you can get easy easy. There's how they're

967
00:46:59,213 --> 00:47:04,453
Speaker 14: going to stop kids getting onto that. It's all about learning,

968
00:47:05,093 --> 00:47:07,893
Speaker 14: learning how to use it properly and safely, and having

969
00:47:07,973 --> 00:47:13,533
Speaker 14: parents who can educate their kids and stuff. And yeah,

970
00:47:13,653 --> 00:47:16,693
Speaker 14: I don't think any sort of banning of social media

971
00:47:16,773 --> 00:47:18,053
Speaker 14: is going to do anything.

972
00:47:19,253 --> 00:47:22,453
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for you. Call Rob afternoon boys. Can

973
00:47:22,493 --> 00:47:25,533
Speaker 2: we get teens band off PlayStations? So getting my ass

974
00:47:25,613 --> 00:47:27,653
Speaker 2: kicked on Battlefield six by teenagers?

975
00:47:28,213 --> 00:47:29,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair point. We'll take that

976
00:47:29,693 --> 00:47:32,212
Speaker 3: straight to the top. I mean YouTube, okay, but just.

977
00:47:32,533 --> 00:47:34,333
Speaker 2: If you're on you know, if you play, if you're

978
00:47:34,373 --> 00:47:38,093
Speaker 2: online gamer like me, you're getting your absolutely kicked by

979
00:47:38,413 --> 00:47:40,213
Speaker 2: you know, very young people.

980
00:47:40,253 --> 00:47:42,053
Speaker 3: They can put in some man out as those kids. Yeah,

981
00:47:42,053 --> 00:47:44,333
Speaker 3: they found very very good. All right, Taking more of

982
00:47:44,333 --> 00:47:47,133
Speaker 3: your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty social

983
00:47:47,173 --> 00:47:49,613
Speaker 3: media ban. It could be coming to New Zealand. Do

984
00:47:49,653 --> 00:47:51,413
Speaker 3: you think it's gonna work? Back in the moth.

985
00:47:52,893 --> 00:47:56,293
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk mad He then Taylor Adams

986
00:47:56,373 --> 00:47:59,973
Speaker 1: afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk S.

987
00:48:02,173 --> 00:48:05,613
Speaker 3: It's eighteen past two and we're discussing social media band

988
00:48:05,653 --> 00:48:08,773
Speaker 3: for under sixteen's Ozzie. They're bringing it into force at

989
00:48:08,813 --> 00:48:11,172
Speaker 3: the end of this week. But Facebook isn't mucking around.

990
00:48:11,173 --> 00:48:14,692
Speaker 3: They've already started deleting accounts they suspect are run by

991
00:48:14,813 --> 00:48:17,493
Speaker 3: under sixteens and it could be coming here in New Zealand.

992
00:48:17,533 --> 00:48:19,493
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister and the Coalition have made no bones

993
00:48:19,533 --> 00:48:22,053
Speaker 3: about it that they think it's a good decision and

994
00:48:22,133 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 3: they're going to put a bill through Parliament before the election.

995
00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:24,652
Speaker 3: They say.

996
00:48:24,853 --> 00:48:27,573
Speaker 2: This text says, guys, my fourteen year old son last

997
00:48:27,653 --> 00:48:30,213
Speaker 2: year had someone hack into his phone on Snapchat and

998
00:48:30,253 --> 00:48:32,453
Speaker 2: he had some videos on there of him being amorous,

999
00:48:32,453 --> 00:48:34,573
Speaker 2: and the hacker threatened to send it to all his

1000
00:48:34,653 --> 00:48:37,573
Speaker 2: contacts if he didn't pay a sizable ransom. Let me

1001
00:48:37,613 --> 00:48:40,373
Speaker 2: tell you, he was hours away from ending his life

1002
00:48:40,373 --> 00:48:44,133
Speaker 2: if you hadn't if he hadn't told of me, hadn't

1003
00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:46,973
Speaker 2: told me, and I got a computer geniust intervene. But

1004
00:48:47,013 --> 00:48:49,373
Speaker 2: this wouldn't have happened if he wasn't allowed on social media.

1005
00:48:49,493 --> 00:48:52,933
Speaker 2: It is iffing scary out there, men, that is.

1006
00:48:53,133 --> 00:48:55,053
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that's a pretty common scan that

1007
00:48:55,133 --> 00:48:57,133
Speaker 3: happens to a lot of young men, but it would

1008
00:48:57,133 --> 00:49:01,013
Speaker 3: be terrifying to you know that they're watching something online.

1009
00:49:01,013 --> 00:49:02,293
Speaker 3: We know it happens, and I'm not going to be

1010
00:49:02,333 --> 00:49:05,013
Speaker 3: crude here, but you're watching something online that maybe you

1011
00:49:05,013 --> 00:49:06,973
Speaker 3: shouldn't be at that age, and then you get that

1012
00:49:07,013 --> 00:49:09,973
Speaker 3: email saying we know what you've been watching and here's

1013
00:49:10,013 --> 00:49:12,493
Speaker 3: your account and here's your email. That would freak you

1014
00:49:12,573 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 3: out as a fourteen year old unless you pay so

1015
00:49:14,453 --> 00:49:17,732
Speaker 3: much bitcoin. That is horrendous. That's the worst type of scam.

1016
00:49:17,813 --> 00:49:19,933
Speaker 3: They don't have anything quite often. By the way, it

1017
00:49:19,973 --> 00:49:21,773
Speaker 3: should be a police matter. Yeah, very common.

1018
00:49:22,013 --> 00:49:24,853
Speaker 2: Wow, that would be scary for a young person. Guys,

1019
00:49:24,853 --> 00:49:27,732
Speaker 2: Please give attention to Roadblocks. It has been exposed as

1020
00:49:27,893 --> 00:49:33,933
Speaker 2: a massive grooming situation. Yeah, so Roadblocks is the I mean,

1021
00:49:34,493 --> 00:49:37,173
Speaker 2: this is This is the thing with all these platforms

1022
00:49:37,253 --> 00:49:42,373
Speaker 2: as they start off as such incredibly positive environments like Roadblocks.

1023
00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:45,253
Speaker 2: When I last checked in was a site where people

1024
00:49:45,253 --> 00:49:47,933
Speaker 2: could program games and share the games and talk about

1025
00:49:47,933 --> 00:49:50,773
Speaker 2: the games, and it was a very creative thing. But

1026
00:49:50,813 --> 00:49:52,973
Speaker 2: then wherever it is, it's like Reddit started out as

1027
00:49:53,013 --> 00:49:57,252
Speaker 2: a very like a forum where people could discuss things.

1028
00:49:57,253 --> 00:49:59,253
Speaker 2: I read this interesting thing and share about it, least

1029
00:49:59,293 --> 00:50:02,813
Speaker 2: have a discussion discussion about Let's form subreddits on interesting topics.

1030
00:50:02,893 --> 00:50:04,853
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. Maybe there's a TV show I like,

1031
00:50:04,933 --> 00:50:08,253
Speaker 2: that'sb secure. Maybe you know I'm a harp player, yep,

1032
00:50:08,773 --> 00:50:12,373
Speaker 2: let's start our harp and then it's just you know,

1033
00:50:12,453 --> 00:50:14,133
Speaker 2: I think everyone agrees now that read it is the

1034
00:50:14,133 --> 00:50:16,293
Speaker 2: worst of them, so winch farce. Now it's the most

1035
00:50:16,333 --> 00:50:19,293
Speaker 2: damaging of all the social media And that started off

1036
00:50:19,293 --> 00:50:21,493
Speaker 2: as the shining light. And for a while there people

1037
00:50:21,493 --> 00:50:23,573
Speaker 2: were talking about TikTok, is it so positive? It's just

1038
00:50:23,573 --> 00:50:26,453
Speaker 2: people dancing and doing their little things. And now TikTok

1039
00:50:26,493 --> 00:50:30,213
Speaker 2: has been completely hijacked by just the most insane politics

1040
00:50:30,213 --> 00:50:33,013
Speaker 2: you've ever seen, where people are blasting out one minute

1041
00:50:33,053 --> 00:50:35,373
Speaker 2: loads of bollocks. If you ever talked to anyone that

1042
00:50:35,373 --> 00:50:38,053
Speaker 2: spends a lot of time on TikTok, their politics becomes

1043
00:50:38,613 --> 00:50:42,093
Speaker 2: very bizarre, very quickly. But that started out as a

1044
00:50:42,093 --> 00:50:45,573
Speaker 2: really positive, just performance. So I remember people writing, why

1045
00:50:45,613 --> 00:50:48,893
Speaker 2: is TikTok so positive when other sites have gone so negative?

1046
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:52,453
Speaker 2: And now TikTok's you know, TikTok can read it the worst.

1047
00:50:52,493 --> 00:50:56,013
Speaker 3: What's the word and shitification that's effectively what it is, right.

1048
00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:58,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and certification is kind of slightly different, and

1049
00:50:58,813 --> 00:51:01,413
Speaker 2: that the platform gets worse but wants more from you.

1050
00:51:01,853 --> 00:51:05,213
Speaker 2: It's more the horrification.

1051
00:51:04,813 --> 00:51:06,933
Speaker 3: Or something, you know, like the downward slide.

1052
00:51:07,053 --> 00:51:10,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, the algorithm push to more and more negative, so negative,

1053
00:51:10,373 --> 00:51:13,693
Speaker 2: more and more negative, the negative gets elevated over the

1054
00:51:13,693 --> 00:51:16,653
Speaker 2: positive over time. Yeah, that's what happens on all social

1055
00:51:16,733 --> 00:51:20,133
Speaker 2: media because it gets more engagement. Anger and fear get

1056
00:51:20,173 --> 00:51:23,453
Speaker 2: more engagement. Then ooh, that person's good at playing the guitar.

1057
00:51:23,933 --> 00:51:24,493
Speaker 13: So true.

1058
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:26,493
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1059
00:51:26,533 --> 00:51:27,933
Speaker 3: to call. After the break. We have a chat with

1060
00:51:28,053 --> 00:51:31,373
Speaker 3: Junior and he reckons he's got a better idea than

1061
00:51:31,413 --> 00:51:34,133
Speaker 3: simply banning social media. So that's coming up. It's twenty

1062
00:51:34,173 --> 00:51:35,013
Speaker 3: two past two.

1063
00:51:38,733 --> 00:51:42,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and

1064
00:51:42,173 --> 00:51:44,333
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1065
00:51:44,333 --> 00:51:46,853
Speaker 3: Twenty four past too. So we're talking about the social

1066
00:51:46,893 --> 00:51:49,933
Speaker 3: media ban that's coming into effect in Australia. Our government

1067
00:51:50,013 --> 00:51:52,653
Speaker 3: is looking at bringing in something very similar. Keen to

1068
00:51:52,693 --> 00:51:55,333
Speaker 3: get your thoughts texts to you guys. I support A

1069
00:51:55,333 --> 00:51:57,212
Speaker 3: band had a thirteen year old grandson in the UK

1070
00:51:57,333 --> 00:52:00,053
Speaker 3: utterly addicted to social media, mainly through a lack of

1071
00:52:00,093 --> 00:52:02,693
Speaker 3: effective parenting. Completely lost it off, the cell phone was

1072
00:52:02,733 --> 00:52:05,933
Speaker 3: taken off him, search parents' bedroom looking for it. Sneaky, dishonest,

1073
00:52:06,013 --> 00:52:09,373
Speaker 3: no different to alcohol or drugs and too older would

1074
00:52:09,373 --> 00:52:12,893
Speaker 3: have helped his parents. That's from Alphie, Thank you very much.

1075
00:52:12,893 --> 00:52:16,013
Speaker 3: For that text, Alfie Junior, you reckon. You've got a

1076
00:52:16,013 --> 00:52:17,652
Speaker 3: better idea than simply just banning it.

1077
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:23,013
Speaker 15: Hey there, brothers, Yeah, I was just listening to you guys,

1078
00:52:23,053 --> 00:52:25,573
Speaker 15: and I think Australia is on the right path. But

1079
00:52:25,693 --> 00:52:28,373
Speaker 15: I think they've got it wrong as well. I think

1080
00:52:28,933 --> 00:52:31,212
Speaker 15: we should ban If we're going to go follow suit,

1081
00:52:31,213 --> 00:52:35,733
Speaker 15: we should ban the smartphone for the teenagers. Go to eighteen.

1082
00:52:36,293 --> 00:52:38,573
Speaker 15: They can use an cure just like we did when

1083
00:52:38,613 --> 00:52:41,213
Speaker 15: we were growing up, and they last a hell of

1084
00:52:41,253 --> 00:52:43,453
Speaker 15: a long time. And then once there, then they're going

1085
00:52:43,453 --> 00:52:45,853
Speaker 15: to get a smartphone. If they're going to be on

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00:52:45,893 --> 00:52:47,652
Speaker 15: social media. They've got to be on social media no

1087
00:52:47,693 --> 00:52:49,732
Speaker 15: matter what. Just like the other blog was saying, they're

1088
00:52:49,733 --> 00:52:52,613
Speaker 15: gonna find ways, so might as well just store it

1089
00:52:52,613 --> 00:52:56,172
Speaker 15: at home under the guidance of the Pearans. But banned

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00:52:56,173 --> 00:53:00,613
Speaker 15: the smartphones at school until they're eighteen not.

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00:53:00,573 --> 00:53:02,773
Speaker 3: A bad idea. I mean, I loved my little Nokia

1092
00:53:02,853 --> 00:53:03,293
Speaker 3: last year.

1093
00:53:03,693 --> 00:53:06,973
Speaker 2: Do you think you know would you ban it? You know,

1094
00:53:07,013 --> 00:53:09,652
Speaker 2: in the same way that we ban So if you

1095
00:53:09,693 --> 00:53:12,013
Speaker 2: if you find a kid on the street with a

1096
00:53:12,093 --> 00:53:19,053
Speaker 2: with a with a smartphone, then get confiscated. Criminal repercussions fines.

1097
00:53:19,493 --> 00:53:21,733
Speaker 2: How would how would you see it being enforced?

1098
00:53:22,613 --> 00:53:25,813
Speaker 15: You know, it's it's you're still under the age. He's

1099
00:53:25,853 --> 00:53:29,053
Speaker 15: just asking them for their their you know, their ID,

1100
00:53:29,653 --> 00:53:32,172
Speaker 15: and then find the parent. So there the ones there

1101
00:53:32,213 --> 00:53:35,453
Speaker 15: most likely pay for the smartphone.

1102
00:53:35,613 --> 00:53:36,133
Speaker 5: Like, I get it.

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00:53:36,133 --> 00:53:38,413
Speaker 15: I kind of get a lot of backlash on the smartphone.

1104
00:53:38,813 --> 00:53:42,853
Speaker 15: But you know, I grew up with a Nokia the

1105
00:53:43,013 --> 00:53:46,773
Speaker 15: architeles and I'm pretty fine. And I got a smartphone

1106
00:53:47,013 --> 00:53:49,812
Speaker 15: when I was probably like twenty five, and I feel

1107
00:53:49,853 --> 00:53:51,973
Speaker 15: like I'm Oki like everyone else.

1108
00:53:52,493 --> 00:53:55,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, well smoking instead of going around the back of

1109
00:53:55,893 --> 00:53:58,493
Speaker 3: the bike kids to have a cheeky dart, they're wed

1110
00:53:58,533 --> 00:54:00,213
Speaker 3: around the cap of the bike, hids with your iPhone

1111
00:54:00,253 --> 00:54:01,732
Speaker 3: saying hey, let's have a look at social media.

1112
00:54:01,813 --> 00:54:05,173
Speaker 2: I think it's absolutely it would be absolutely terrifying to

1113
00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:07,053
Speaker 2: you know, like as you see that, they they show

1114
00:54:07,173 --> 00:54:10,453
Speaker 2: a shot of kids now and a shot of kids

1115
00:54:10,733 --> 00:54:14,653
Speaker 2: from twenty years ago, and the immediate thing you notice

1116
00:54:14,693 --> 00:54:16,493
Speaker 2: is that no one has a phone in their hands

1117
00:54:16,573 --> 00:54:18,493
Speaker 2: and no one's steering at a device because there was

1118
00:54:18,493 --> 00:54:21,373
Speaker 2: not much to steer out ANOCKI at thirty two ten, Yeah,

1119
00:54:21,413 --> 00:54:22,213
Speaker 2: you can play snake.

1120
00:54:23,693 --> 00:54:26,133
Speaker 3: It just was that for about thirty seconds.

1121
00:54:26,293 --> 00:54:28,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you so much for your call, Junior.

1122
00:54:28,453 --> 00:54:29,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, good idea.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt that the cell phones have

1124
00:54:31,973 --> 00:54:34,173
Speaker 2: changed things. I mean, and then they track, you know,

1125
00:54:34,293 --> 00:54:37,133
Speaker 2: mental health outcomes for young people from two thousand and

1126
00:54:37,173 --> 00:54:39,693
Speaker 2: eight when smartphones really came in, and it just just

1127
00:54:39,853 --> 00:54:42,813
Speaker 2: the problems fell off a cliff. Definitely fell off a

1128
00:54:42,853 --> 00:54:45,013
Speaker 2: cliff or fell up a cliff, you know, the graph

1129
00:54:45,053 --> 00:54:45,973
Speaker 2: of problems went up.

1130
00:54:46,053 --> 00:54:47,893
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, especially for young girls.

1131
00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:48,533
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1132
00:54:48,573 --> 00:54:51,173
Speaker 2: I think that's very, very hard for them. You know

1133
00:54:51,253 --> 00:54:53,733
Speaker 2: that the social media and the sharing of images and

1134
00:54:53,773 --> 00:54:56,893
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, it's pretty pretty punishing out there.

1135
00:54:56,933 --> 00:54:59,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, and once you get a smartphone, I mean, it's

1136
00:54:59,053 --> 00:55:01,373
Speaker 3: pretty hard going back. If I, you know, think about myself.

1137
00:55:01,373 --> 00:55:02,733
Speaker 3: Could I even go to a brick phone? No, I

1138
00:55:02,773 --> 00:55:04,533
Speaker 3: can't because I rely on not too much. And I

1139
00:55:04,573 --> 00:55:06,453
Speaker 3: know that's part of my problem. But I think Junior's

1140
00:55:06,453 --> 00:55:08,853
Speaker 3: got a point that if a child doesn't have one

1141
00:55:08,933 --> 00:55:11,333
Speaker 3: and you try, you give them a dumb phone for

1142
00:55:11,373 --> 00:55:13,252
Speaker 3: as long as possible, then they don't know what they're

1143
00:55:13,253 --> 00:55:15,013
Speaker 3: missing out on. As soon as you give them a

1144
00:55:15,053 --> 00:55:18,733
Speaker 3: smartphone and allow access to that becomes incredibly difficult to

1145
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:19,773
Speaker 3: take that away from them.

1146
00:55:20,013 --> 00:55:24,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can imagine a situation where where where

1147
00:55:24,893 --> 00:55:26,732
Speaker 2: kids will be ordering on team of a big brack

1148
00:55:26,813 --> 00:55:29,293
Speaker 2: that you then slide your smartphone into.

1149
00:55:29,453 --> 00:55:30,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll get around it.

1150
00:55:30,893 --> 00:55:32,773
Speaker 2: You just shut it closed when the cops come past.

1151
00:55:32,853 --> 00:55:33,813
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1152
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:37,533
Speaker 2: So yes, I mean, boy, it's been a really a

1153
00:55:37,573 --> 00:55:42,652
Speaker 2: really interesting chat that will go on. This is one

1154
00:55:42,693 --> 00:55:44,373
Speaker 2: of those ones with a lot of gray area, isn't it.

1155
00:55:44,693 --> 00:55:48,093
Speaker 2: And so supporters of the under sixteen social media bands

1156
00:55:48,133 --> 00:55:52,693
Speaker 2: say child exposure to grooming, violent content and harmful olglorisms

1157
00:55:52,773 --> 00:55:55,973
Speaker 2: is so widespread, it's such a big problem that just

1158
00:55:56,013 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 2: a little tweak won't cut it. So the only way

1159
00:55:58,053 --> 00:56:01,133
Speaker 2: to deal with it is no under sixteens like a

1160
00:56:01,173 --> 00:56:05,732
Speaker 2: firm band. But you know, they do know that some people,

1161
00:56:05,773 --> 00:56:07,453
Speaker 2: I think all those people that support they do know.

1162
00:56:07,693 --> 00:56:09,813
Speaker 2: I do realize that some people will sneak around at

1163
00:56:09,813 --> 00:56:12,133
Speaker 2: some of the kids. But overall, having less kids and

1164
00:56:12,213 --> 00:56:14,772
Speaker 2: social media is a good thing. The other side, of course,

1165
00:56:14,813 --> 00:56:18,253
Speaker 2: augu's bands don't fix digital literacy. They just push kids

1166
00:56:18,253 --> 00:56:23,533
Speaker 2: into more dangerous, unregulated places. They rely on shaky age

1167
00:56:23,573 --> 00:56:27,293
Speaker 2: tech and risky data collection that undermine, you know, the

1168
00:56:27,293 --> 00:56:30,773
Speaker 2: protections that kids need. As well as making dodgy untrustworthy

1169
00:56:30,813 --> 00:56:35,172
Speaker 2: tech companies the gatekeepers that it lets them off the hook.

1170
00:56:35,293 --> 00:56:36,533
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing. I mean, it kind of

1171
00:56:36,533 --> 00:56:38,652
Speaker 2: does let the tech companies off the hook around their

1172
00:56:38,733 --> 00:56:42,293
Speaker 2: really dodgy algorithms. Does they're like, oh, well, we're not

1173
00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:44,652
Speaker 2: messing up the kids because they're banned, we're doing hour

1174
00:56:44,693 --> 00:56:48,252
Speaker 2: But meanwhile their algorithms are just pushing people to insanity.

1175
00:56:48,453 --> 00:56:49,013
Speaker 3: So true.

1176
00:56:49,093 --> 00:56:51,293
Speaker 2: So it kind of kind of lets them off the hot.

1177
00:56:51,373 --> 00:56:53,373
Speaker 2: But you know, whatever happens, I reckon as a parent,

1178
00:56:53,613 --> 00:56:56,293
Speaker 2: it's my job to make my kids powerful enough to

1179
00:56:56,333 --> 00:57:00,692
Speaker 2: deal with the world they have to deal with, whether

1180
00:57:00,733 --> 00:57:03,773
Speaker 2: it's digital, and it is digital, right, So at some

1181
00:57:03,933 --> 00:57:06,413
Speaker 2: point you're going to have to make your kids competent

1182
00:57:06,413 --> 00:57:08,613
Speaker 2: at dealing with the digital world they're going into. It's

1183
00:57:08,653 --> 00:57:11,853
Speaker 2: sixteen or fourteen or thirteen. At some point they're going

1184
00:57:11,933 --> 00:57:14,573
Speaker 2: to have to work out how to operate in this world.

1185
00:57:14,573 --> 00:57:16,213
Speaker 2: And the government can't do that for you.

1186
00:57:16,413 --> 00:57:19,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, nicely said, great discussion, and we'll see what

1187
00:57:20,133 --> 00:57:22,893
Speaker 3: happens with our own legislation next year. But coming up

1188
00:57:22,893 --> 00:57:25,733
Speaker 3: after the headlines, Matt, you've got a campaign that you

1189
00:57:25,773 --> 00:57:27,453
Speaker 3: want to start against flat pack furniture.

1190
00:57:27,693 --> 00:57:33,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hearing about these meatball hocking flat packers and

1191
00:57:33,373 --> 00:57:37,133
Speaker 2: I want to start the flat pack backlash, the flat

1192
00:57:37,213 --> 00:57:39,613
Speaker 2: pack backlash, and I'll tell you all about that after

1193
00:57:39,613 --> 00:57:39,973
Speaker 2: the break.

1194
00:57:40,053 --> 00:57:43,013
Speaker 3: It is bang on hapas two headlines with railing coming up.

1195
00:57:45,373 --> 00:57:49,013
Speaker 12: News Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1196
00:57:49,093 --> 00:57:52,493
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. Secondary teachers in the

1197
00:57:52,533 --> 00:57:57,013
Speaker 12: PPTA have voted to accept a government collective agreement offer.

1198
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Speaker 12: It includes a four point six percent pay increase over

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Speaker 12: two years and increased allowances for some with greater responsibilities.

1200
00:58:05,693 --> 00:58:09,813
Speaker 12: Also a fund for professional learning and develop for secondary teachers.

1201
00:58:10,813 --> 00:58:14,213
Speaker 12: The Ministry of Justice says although drug and alcohol treatment

1202
00:58:14,373 --> 00:58:19,293
Speaker 12: courts transform lives and save time and costs, practical limitations

1203
00:58:19,533 --> 00:58:22,893
Speaker 12: mean there are no plans for more. Christ Church is

1204
00:58:22,933 --> 00:58:26,053
Speaker 12: getting an Eagle helicopter for a two month operation to

1205
00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:30,213
Speaker 12: target and disrupt a spike in youth crime, alongside boosting

1206
00:58:30,253 --> 00:58:34,413
Speaker 12: staff numbers and the Youth Targeting Team. Another six people

1207
00:58:34,493 --> 00:58:37,533
Speaker 12: have been arrested in Hong Kong over last week's deadly

1208
00:58:37,733 --> 00:58:41,853
Speaker 12: high rise apartment complex fire. Have been detained on suspicion

1209
00:58:41,933 --> 00:58:47,413
Speaker 12: of deactivating fire alarms during maintenance work. Health New Zealand's

1210
00:58:47,453 --> 00:58:51,933
Speaker 12: helping fund a new online space for registering still births,

1211
00:58:51,973 --> 00:58:55,453
Speaker 12: separating it from the platform where live births are recorded

1212
00:58:56,533 --> 00:59:00,173
Speaker 12: inside wet and forgets new retail strategy. Six stores to

1213
00:59:00,293 --> 00:59:04,213
Speaker 12: close as expansion looms. You can read more at inzt

1214
00:59:04,293 --> 00:59:07,733
Speaker 12: Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1215
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, so you can't have missed it.

1216
00:59:10,413 --> 00:59:15,173
Speaker 3: It's opening day for Ikea in Auckland and people collectively

1217
00:59:15,173 --> 00:59:18,653
Speaker 3: have lost their minds. There's traffic alerts, schools sending out

1218
00:59:18,733 --> 00:59:20,773
Speaker 3: warnings to say, maybe drop your kids off a little

1219
00:59:20,773 --> 00:59:23,413
Speaker 3: bit later if you in the area. There's live streams

1220
00:59:23,693 --> 00:59:28,813
Speaker 3: of IKEA's opening on most of our media websites, and

1221
00:59:29,093 --> 00:59:31,093
Speaker 3: we got away update before. A little bit slow at

1222
00:59:31,133 --> 00:59:33,413
Speaker 3: the moment, but it's picking up at Ikea in Auckland.

1223
00:59:33,853 --> 00:59:38,453
Speaker 3: All four a bunch of flat pack furniture. I mean

1224
00:59:38,493 --> 00:59:41,053
Speaker 3: it seems like we love a good opening in New Zealand.

1225
00:59:41,693 --> 00:59:44,853
Speaker 2: That's right. Everyone's banging on about these Mount Wellington based

1226
00:59:44,933 --> 00:59:50,053
Speaker 2: meatball hocking flat packers like they're the second coming of furniture. Look,

1227
00:59:50,133 --> 00:59:52,053
Speaker 2: best of luck to the Swedes. I love Swedes. But

1228
00:59:52,253 --> 00:59:55,133
Speaker 2: I think the whole flat pack thing needs to be avoided.

1229
00:59:55,693 --> 00:59:57,733
Speaker 2: Having moved house in the last couple of weeks and

1230
00:59:57,853 --> 01:00:01,133
Speaker 2: smashed a bunch of rubbish flat pack furniture and thrown

1231
01:00:01,173 --> 01:00:03,573
Speaker 2: it in the skip, I've banned flat packs from my

1232
01:00:03,613 --> 01:00:06,253
Speaker 2: house now. And when I say smash them, just rock

1233
01:00:06,413 --> 01:00:08,933
Speaker 2: them back and forth a few times, and then they

1234
01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:12,533
Speaker 2: go completely flat and collapse and the particle board just breaks,

1235
01:00:13,133 --> 01:00:15,653
Speaker 2: and you just hif them in the skip and it's

1236
01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:18,093
Speaker 2: not word. No one wants it. You try and put

1237
01:00:18,093 --> 01:00:21,053
Speaker 2: a flat pack in the wood bin at the refuse

1238
01:00:21,093 --> 01:00:24,773
Speaker 2: transfer center and you'll get tasered by the start I

1239
01:00:24,813 --> 01:00:26,933
Speaker 2: don't want it's not real wood, it's not wood. It

1240
01:00:26,973 --> 01:00:29,813
Speaker 2: can't be used more than once, I believe, And I'd

1241
01:00:29,853 --> 01:00:31,493
Speaker 2: like to hear what people think on this eight hundred

1242
01:00:31,493 --> 01:00:34,173
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty that we need to support properly made,

1243
01:00:34,293 --> 01:00:40,533
Speaker 2: fully functioning furniture that last generations. There's a chest of

1244
01:00:40,613 --> 01:00:45,133
Speaker 2: draws that's gone from house to house with me for many, many,

1245
01:00:45,173 --> 01:00:47,973
Speaker 2: many years, and I inherited it, and that person that

1246
01:00:48,013 --> 01:00:50,733
Speaker 2: inherited it inherited it before them. So this is a

1247
01:00:50,773 --> 01:00:52,853
Speaker 2: piece of furniture, a chest of draws that are so

1248
01:00:52,933 --> 01:00:57,973
Speaker 2: well made that it has lasted three generations. So whatever

1249
01:00:57,973 --> 01:01:00,093
Speaker 2: money you're saving on a flat pack, you're not saving

1250
01:01:00,773 --> 01:01:02,933
Speaker 2: any money at all if you regularly have to just

1251
01:01:03,053 --> 01:01:06,533
Speaker 2: push it over and shove it in the skip. Yeah,

1252
01:01:06,693 --> 01:01:10,053
Speaker 2: there's secondhand furniture out there if you can't afford bespoke

1253
01:01:10,213 --> 01:01:12,453
Speaker 2: made furniture or the high quality furniture. You go to

1254
01:01:12,453 --> 01:01:18,093
Speaker 2: any op shop and you'll see some beautiful, properly made

1255
01:01:18,533 --> 01:01:23,053
Speaker 2: crafted wood furniture sitting in the corner, unloved, while people

1256
01:01:23,093 --> 01:01:26,053
Speaker 2: are smearing meatballs all over their face and buying a

1257
01:01:26,053 --> 01:01:26,573
Speaker 2: flat pack.

1258
01:01:26,773 --> 01:01:28,813
Speaker 3: I'm a mess of fantasycond hand. You've come round, you've

1259
01:01:28,853 --> 01:01:31,413
Speaker 3: seen it. Most of that's from the opshop. Beautiful old

1260
01:01:31,493 --> 01:01:34,173
Speaker 3: wood that was generational to some family. They decided they

1261
01:01:34,173 --> 01:01:36,413
Speaker 3: didn't like it, and probably at IQ now by an

1262
01:01:36,493 --> 01:01:40,573
Speaker 3: absolute tet. But it was a beautiful wooden TV cabinet

1263
01:01:40,573 --> 01:01:42,413
Speaker 3: that we bought. There was a lovely chair there that

1264
01:01:42,453 --> 01:01:44,773
Speaker 3: looks like it was hand crafted by some German back

1265
01:01:44,813 --> 01:01:46,213
Speaker 3: in the eighteen hundreds. It's lovely.

1266
01:01:46,893 --> 01:01:48,973
Speaker 2: You're flat packs. They're not flat packs.

1267
01:01:49,013 --> 01:01:50,493
Speaker 3: They're not flat packs. I know this is from the

1268
01:01:50,573 --> 01:01:50,973
Speaker 3: op shop.

1269
01:01:51,053 --> 01:01:53,893
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, proper wood,

1270
01:01:53,973 --> 01:01:56,213
Speaker 2: because I was looking at your the thing holding up

1271
01:01:56,253 --> 01:01:57,573
Speaker 2: your TV, and I was thought, that's a that's a

1272
01:01:57,613 --> 01:01:59,773
Speaker 2: beautiful it's a beautiful TV cabinet.

1273
01:01:59,813 --> 01:02:02,253
Speaker 3: Knowledge, Yeah, that's gonna last generation. That's not going to

1274
01:02:02,293 --> 01:02:03,213
Speaker 3: wobble exactly.

1275
01:02:03,253 --> 01:02:05,493
Speaker 2: You know, when you're putting that together, if you make

1276
01:02:05,533 --> 01:02:08,173
Speaker 2: a mistake, which you invariably do. You know, I don't

1277
01:02:08,173 --> 01:02:11,813
Speaker 2: care if you're some kind of carpentry genius, you are

1278
01:02:11,893 --> 01:02:13,493
Speaker 2: going to make a mistake when you put it together.

1279
01:02:13,493 --> 01:02:15,933
Speaker 2: A punishing flat pack, and that's when you notice how

1280
01:02:16,013 --> 01:02:20,333
Speaker 2: poorly their whole particle board situation is because it doesn't

1281
01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:21,373
Speaker 2: take a second screwing.

1282
01:02:21,733 --> 01:02:23,493
Speaker 3: No, you've got one shot on it, and if you

1283
01:02:23,533 --> 01:02:25,453
Speaker 3: screw it up, the whole thing's ruins.

1284
01:02:25,973 --> 01:02:30,453
Speaker 2: So I want to start the flat pack backlash. I

1285
01:02:30,493 --> 01:02:34,973
Speaker 2: think that people need to be looking for fully constructed

1286
01:02:35,933 --> 01:02:40,053
Speaker 2: furniture made by experts that'll last a very very long time.

1287
01:02:40,373 --> 01:02:44,653
Speaker 2: Someone that loves the furniture that they've made. It's been crafted.

1288
01:02:45,053 --> 01:02:46,893
Speaker 2: It's a thing of beauty that you put in a

1289
01:02:46,893 --> 01:02:49,013
Speaker 2: furniture truck where you buy it, you drive it to

1290
01:02:49,053 --> 01:02:50,973
Speaker 2: your house, you put it in the corner of the room,

1291
01:02:51,293 --> 01:02:54,773
Speaker 2: and it's good to go. You don't have a giant

1292
01:02:54,813 --> 01:02:57,013
Speaker 2: piece of cardboard that you have to deal with a

1293
01:02:57,053 --> 01:03:00,053
Speaker 2: whole lot of polysty ring, and you don't have to

1294
01:03:00,093 --> 01:03:02,013
Speaker 2: wobble it back and forth, crush it flat and throw

1295
01:03:02,053 --> 01:03:03,293
Speaker 2: it in a skip in three years.

1296
01:03:03,453 --> 01:03:05,293
Speaker 3: Yep, Matt's hot on this. What do you say? Oh eight,

1297
01:03:05,293 --> 01:03:07,973
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is it time to

1298
01:03:08,013 --> 01:03:10,493
Speaker 3: say a bugger off to flat pack furniture? What did

1299
01:03:10,493 --> 01:03:13,333
Speaker 3: you call it? The flat pack back lash?

1300
01:03:13,653 --> 01:03:13,773
Speaker 5: Oh?

1301
01:03:13,813 --> 01:03:15,733
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is an umber to call.

1302
01:03:15,813 --> 01:03:19,013
Speaker 3: And if you're a furniture maker or a woodworker, really

1303
01:03:19,013 --> 01:03:20,933
Speaker 3: can you hear from you? How's business going for you?

1304
01:03:20,973 --> 01:03:24,133
Speaker 3: Are people starting to say no to Ikea? Rubbish?

1305
01:03:24,173 --> 01:03:24,293
Speaker 15: In?

1306
01:03:24,333 --> 01:03:26,613
Speaker 3: Coming back to the real deal? Nine to niney two

1307
01:03:26,693 --> 01:03:28,533
Speaker 3: is the text. It is twenty one to three.

1308
01:03:29,173 --> 01:03:32,653
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

1309
01:03:32,893 --> 01:03:36,733
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used

1310
01:03:36,733 --> 01:03:38,253
Speaker 1: talks that'd be nineteen to three.

1311
01:03:38,293 --> 01:03:41,333
Speaker 3: People have lost their minds because Ikea as open today

1312
01:03:41,533 --> 01:03:44,653
Speaker 3: and as you know, they are primarily flat pack furniture.

1313
01:03:44,653 --> 01:03:46,773
Speaker 3: A few meatballs on the side as well. But Matt

1314
01:03:46,813 --> 01:03:50,813
Speaker 3: you say Australian meatballs, you say no more to flat

1315
01:03:50,813 --> 01:03:51,893
Speaker 3: pack furniture.

1316
01:03:51,493 --> 01:03:53,373
Speaker 2: Flat pack backlash. Let's start it here.

1317
01:03:53,493 --> 01:03:55,333
Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1318
01:03:55,253 --> 01:03:57,293
Speaker 2: Imagine looking at the traffic around I here, it doesn't

1319
01:03:57,293 --> 01:03:57,933
Speaker 2: seem that busy.

1320
01:03:58,533 --> 01:04:00,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was a text here as well saying it.

1321
01:04:01,613 --> 01:04:03,573
Speaker 3: For all the talk and the live streams from every

1322
01:04:03,613 --> 01:04:06,173
Speaker 3: media website under the sun in New Zealand, it's been

1323
01:04:06,213 --> 01:04:09,453
Speaker 3: a fizzer. Try and find that shortly.

1324
01:04:10,093 --> 01:04:12,573
Speaker 2: I so agree with good wood furniture messes crowding for

1325
01:04:12,613 --> 01:04:14,933
Speaker 2: a flat pack and queuing for hours and their eagerness.

1326
01:04:15,133 --> 01:04:17,293
Speaker 2: It's pathetical and embarrassing. Well, you know, each their own.

1327
01:04:17,293 --> 01:04:19,933
Speaker 2: If if someone gets you know, if someone likes a

1328
01:04:20,413 --> 01:04:23,133
Speaker 2: meatball and a flat pack and they want a cue.

1329
01:04:23,133 --> 01:04:25,853
Speaker 3: For it, you do you?

1330
01:04:25,853 --> 01:04:28,093
Speaker 2: You do you? No, Actually, I can't say that when

1331
01:04:28,093 --> 01:04:30,453
Speaker 2: I've just been saying the flat pack backlash one of

1332
01:04:30,493 --> 01:04:30,773
Speaker 2: my things.

1333
01:04:30,813 --> 01:04:34,493
Speaker 3: So magnaball the Australian meatball and then just do the

1334
01:04:34,493 --> 01:04:35,173
Speaker 3: middle finger to the.

1335
01:04:35,133 --> 01:04:37,333
Speaker 2: Flat pack flat pack backlash. I'm sticking with it.

1336
01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:45,933
Speaker 16: Mark your thoughts, hey, young me and the master of

1337
01:04:46,133 --> 01:04:50,013
Speaker 16: the moment was still on the s and oh got

1338
01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:54,173
Speaker 16: this bloody flat peck war drobe thing that we made up.

1339
01:04:54,333 --> 01:04:58,573
Speaker 16: And honestly, like you say, I grabed the heavy end

1340
01:04:58,613 --> 01:05:02,173
Speaker 16: of it and grab the metal bars that support the

1341
01:05:02,213 --> 01:05:04,893
Speaker 16: war drave at the bottom to move it at the door,

1342
01:05:05,813 --> 01:05:08,533
Speaker 16: and the whole thing just came off from man the

1343
01:05:08,613 --> 01:05:09,533
Speaker 16: little screw.

1344
01:05:11,373 --> 01:05:15,173
Speaker 3: Can here the trauma and your voice Mark, And were

1345
01:05:15,213 --> 01:05:16,413
Speaker 3: you involved in putting it together?

1346
01:05:16,453 --> 01:05:19,773
Speaker 2: Marx? It wasn't used a euro was it together?

1347
01:05:20,053 --> 01:05:23,533
Speaker 16: And but like you say, you see the particle board

1348
01:05:23,533 --> 01:05:25,293
Speaker 16: and as soon as you screw the screws, and I

1349
01:05:25,413 --> 01:05:30,013
Speaker 16: think just a bit does undergrade just the joke, the

1350
01:05:30,053 --> 01:05:32,133
Speaker 16: whole thing collects. So I think we're going to take

1351
01:05:32,173 --> 01:05:34,573
Speaker 16: it to the dump and just bash the to the

1352
01:05:35,613 --> 01:05:37,813
Speaker 16: with a load of the drawers and lead them fun

1353
01:05:38,053 --> 01:05:38,333
Speaker 16: at all.

1354
01:05:40,373 --> 01:05:43,653
Speaker 2: I mean, people are saying that Ikea has better quality

1355
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:46,133
Speaker 2: than than some of the flat packs out there.

1356
01:05:46,533 --> 01:05:48,813
Speaker 16: Yeah, well we didn't get it from my care. I

1357
01:05:48,853 --> 01:05:51,853
Speaker 16: think we got from well in the madle somewhere like that.

1358
01:05:52,013 --> 01:05:52,653
Speaker 4: He crossed.

1359
01:05:53,973 --> 01:05:56,413
Speaker 16: Yeah, a lot of these stuff's not much better either.

1360
01:05:57,533 --> 01:06:02,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and but you know, yeah you go, Max, Sorry, sorry.

1361
01:06:02,693 --> 01:06:04,293
Speaker 5: We've got a TV kid too.

1362
01:06:04,373 --> 01:06:08,013
Speaker 6: You made that up start to say.

1363
01:06:08,173 --> 01:06:10,813
Speaker 16: And also it's put a block under there for the

1364
01:06:10,853 --> 01:06:12,013
Speaker 16: open Yeah, but.

1365
01:06:12,013 --> 01:06:14,213
Speaker 3: A moisture will do that to particle board, a bit

1366
01:06:14,253 --> 01:06:16,933
Speaker 3: of a block, just hold it together for the open home.

1367
01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:18,733
Speaker 3: It's a little bit soggy.

1368
01:06:19,173 --> 01:06:23,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, yourselves so.

1369
01:06:23,293 --> 01:06:25,253
Speaker 16: But but you know that's frustrating.

1370
01:06:25,573 --> 01:06:28,773
Speaker 2: As usual, I'm being accused of being an elitist piece

1371
01:06:28,813 --> 01:06:31,773
Speaker 2: of crap, and people are saying they can't afford good furniture.

1372
01:06:31,813 --> 01:06:33,813
Speaker 2: But the thing is you'll have to buy another TV

1373
01:06:34,973 --> 01:06:37,213
Speaker 2: cabinet and you'll have to buy another cupboard Mark, So

1374
01:06:37,253 --> 01:06:39,853
Speaker 2: it's it's at least twice as expenses of what you

1375
01:06:39,893 --> 01:06:42,093
Speaker 2: pay if you're regularly having to replace the furniture.

1376
01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:46,653
Speaker 16: Yeah, they're a lot good than the photos on the box,

1377
01:06:46,773 --> 01:06:49,293
Speaker 16: but like you say, it's not till you're putting them together.

1378
01:06:50,573 --> 01:06:51,893
Speaker 4: What the hell of a board here?

1379
01:06:52,093 --> 01:06:54,293
Speaker 3: It's not even that cheap though, is it. Like generally,

1380
01:06:54,373 --> 01:06:56,133
Speaker 3: I'm never going to turn my nose up at the

1381
01:06:56,213 --> 01:06:58,573
Speaker 3: likes of the warehouse or even k Maart. But the

1382
01:06:58,653 --> 01:07:01,493
Speaker 3: last time I bought flat pack furniture was a cabinet

1383
01:07:01,533 --> 01:07:03,813
Speaker 3: and it was thro round of bucks and by the

1384
01:07:03,853 --> 01:07:05,613
Speaker 3: time we tried to move it to bring it up

1385
01:07:05,613 --> 01:07:07,813
Speaker 3: here in Auckland, it's no good just to sintegrate it.

1386
01:07:08,973 --> 01:07:11,373
Speaker 6: Ye, I know, you may.

1387
01:07:11,933 --> 01:07:16,293
Speaker 16: I mean in half the time. The instructions aren't sample

1388
01:07:16,493 --> 01:07:18,733
Speaker 16: the way. You know, there's hardly any thing on them

1389
01:07:18,773 --> 01:07:23,253
Speaker 16: to make it. You know, some together they're always intequate.

1390
01:07:24,173 --> 01:07:27,373
Speaker 2: I put together a flat pat cupboard like you, Mark

1391
01:07:27,413 --> 01:07:30,133
Speaker 2: with a hangover once, and I think it was the

1392
01:07:30,213 --> 01:07:31,813
Speaker 2: most difficult two days of my life.

1393
01:07:31,933 --> 01:07:35,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of stress, understand.

1394
01:07:35,533 --> 01:07:37,933
Speaker 2: But would you would you, Mark? Would you would you

1395
01:07:37,973 --> 01:07:41,213
Speaker 2: consider secondhand furniture? You know, would you go around the

1396
01:07:41,213 --> 01:07:45,493
Speaker 2: second hand stores and buy some kind of quality, generational stuff.

1397
01:07:47,293 --> 01:07:50,453
Speaker 16: Well, yeah, that's further than probably last longer than a

1398
01:07:50,493 --> 01:07:54,253
Speaker 16: flat pet. But I think now it probably lot the

1399
01:07:54,413 --> 01:07:57,453
Speaker 16: scale for a better quality and be done well, just

1400
01:07:57,493 --> 01:07:58,453
Speaker 16: pay a little bit more.

1401
01:07:58,533 --> 01:07:59,013
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1402
01:07:59,333 --> 01:08:01,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those false economy things, isn't it.

1403
01:08:01,373 --> 01:08:04,053
Speaker 2: It's it's like if you go to a hardware store

1404
01:08:04,093 --> 01:08:07,213
Speaker 2: and you buy a nine to ninety five hammer, you

1405
01:08:07,453 --> 01:08:09,573
Speaker 2: are back behind an other nine m.

1406
01:08:11,453 --> 01:08:17,293
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, yeah, quality. I agree with what you say

1407
01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:22,093
Speaker 16: of it, Yeah, particle ball of it, of course.

1408
01:08:22,253 --> 01:08:23,093
Speaker 7: You're good.

1409
01:08:23,372 --> 01:08:25,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on your Mark. I'm sorry you had to

1410
01:08:25,452 --> 01:08:27,012
Speaker 3: go through that, mate. I eight one hundred and eighty

1411
01:08:27,053 --> 01:08:28,093
Speaker 3: ten eighties number to call.

1412
01:08:28,213 --> 01:08:32,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I don't know. I've bought Ikea stuff before, absolutely,

1413
01:08:32,213 --> 01:08:35,492
Speaker 2: and i've famously well famously in my group of friends

1414
01:08:35,853 --> 01:08:38,772
Speaker 2: got lost in a Ikea store in London once and

1415
01:08:39,053 --> 01:08:39,772
Speaker 2: beautiful shops.

1416
01:08:39,853 --> 01:08:40,093
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1417
01:08:40,133 --> 01:08:42,333
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But they do make this stuff out of composite

1418
01:08:42,412 --> 01:08:47,173
Speaker 2: word particle board, fiber you know, fiber board MD if

1419
01:08:47,293 --> 01:08:50,692
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and plastic laminade. I mean, if

1420
01:08:50,692 --> 01:08:53,732
Speaker 2: it's a flat pack, it's not going to be of

1421
01:08:53,812 --> 01:08:56,852
Speaker 2: the quality of a piece of furniture made by a

1422
01:08:56,893 --> 01:09:00,612
Speaker 2: furniture maker out of real wood, right, Yeah, And then

1423
01:09:00,732 --> 01:09:02,372
Speaker 2: you know, you use it for a while and then

1424
01:09:02,772 --> 01:09:06,533
Speaker 2: it starts to look a bit dodgy, so you painted again. Yeah,

1425
01:09:06,652 --> 01:09:09,293
Speaker 2: and then then you hand that down kids, and they

1426
01:09:09,293 --> 01:09:11,333
Speaker 2: hand it down to their kids, then they hand it

1427
01:09:11,372 --> 01:09:12,133
Speaker 2: down to their kids.

1428
01:09:12,293 --> 01:09:14,852
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing, and you know it's.

1429
01:09:14,732 --> 01:09:17,172
Speaker 2: Still sitting there after the apocalypse, just going strong.

1430
01:09:17,732 --> 01:09:18,412
Speaker 3: That is what you want.

1431
01:09:18,452 --> 01:09:22,012
Speaker 2: And then it's dug up by anthropologists in two thousand

1432
01:09:22,093 --> 01:09:23,932
Speaker 2: years and they go, this is how they live. They

1433
01:09:24,013 --> 01:09:25,372
Speaker 2: respected furniture back then.

1434
01:09:25,452 --> 01:09:27,652
Speaker 3: There's some solid furniture. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1435
01:09:27,772 --> 01:09:30,492
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call bag very shortly. It

1436
01:09:30,572 --> 01:09:32,092
Speaker 3: is thirteen to three.

1437
01:09:32,973 --> 01:09:35,412
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1438
01:09:35,452 --> 01:09:39,172
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

1439
01:09:39,013 --> 01:09:42,492
Speaker 3: Talk said, be very good afternoon, Juo. It is ten

1440
01:09:42,532 --> 01:09:45,572
Speaker 3: minutes to three and we're talking about flat pack furniture

1441
01:09:45,933 --> 01:09:48,172
Speaker 3: on the back of IQ opening today.

1442
01:09:48,732 --> 01:09:52,132
Speaker 2: Ie, guys, I've been told not to put on voices

1443
01:09:52,173 --> 01:09:54,812
Speaker 2: of people because I don't know what the Texas voice

1444
01:09:54,853 --> 01:09:57,412
Speaker 2: is like. Hi, guys, I think you need to do

1445
01:09:57,452 --> 01:10:00,572
Speaker 2: some homework into flat packs. There's flat packs and then there's

1446
01:10:00,572 --> 01:10:03,213
Speaker 2: flat packs. So many things come in flat pack, but

1447
01:10:03,293 --> 01:10:06,213
Speaker 2: they are excellent quality. With regard to IKE, here's a question.

1448
01:10:06,293 --> 01:10:08,933
Speaker 2: Do you know the percentage of everything they sell is

1449
01:10:09,013 --> 01:10:10,972
Speaker 2: flat pack? I think you'll find they have a huge

1450
01:10:11,013 --> 01:10:13,013
Speaker 2: number of items and it will be interesting to know

1451
01:10:13,053 --> 01:10:15,852
Speaker 2: the percentage that flat packed. Did you know that even

1452
01:10:16,173 --> 01:10:18,812
Speaker 2: New Zealand stores have some of their dining tables are

1453
01:10:18,853 --> 01:10:19,452
Speaker 2: flat packs?

1454
01:10:20,173 --> 01:10:21,973
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, thank you, well that was a very good

1455
01:10:21,973 --> 01:10:23,132
Speaker 3: I oppression, very measured.

1456
01:10:23,253 --> 01:10:26,173
Speaker 2: Please do not mock companies. I'll mock whoever. I like.

1457
01:10:26,532 --> 01:10:29,532
Speaker 3: That is from someone who works like here, Yeah, surely, come.

1458
01:10:29,372 --> 01:10:31,372
Speaker 2: On, I mean even if they're a high quality, they're

1459
01:10:31,372 --> 01:10:33,852
Speaker 2: still made out of composite wood products, aren't they. They're

1460
01:10:33,853 --> 01:10:37,932
Speaker 2: still particle particle board. It's still MDF, isn't it. Yeah,

1461
01:10:38,013 --> 01:10:43,612
Speaker 2: it's not good, honest would Yeah. And that's that's cut

1462
01:10:43,772 --> 01:10:44,852
Speaker 2: in the shape required.

1463
01:10:45,213 --> 01:10:47,772
Speaker 3: It's no remove, it's no tort it's not going to

1464
01:10:47,853 --> 01:10:48,972
Speaker 3: stand up to proper wood.

1465
01:10:49,053 --> 01:10:50,892
Speaker 2: Neil makes a good point. Use power tools to put

1466
01:10:50,973 --> 01:10:53,812
Speaker 2: flat packs together cuts the assembly time down by fifty percent.

1467
01:10:54,173 --> 01:10:54,813
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1468
01:10:54,893 --> 01:10:56,933
Speaker 2: I mean often I've ended up having to go to

1469
01:10:56,973 --> 01:10:59,852
Speaker 2: power tools. Yeah. Yeah, you know, by the end you've

1470
01:10:59,893 --> 01:11:01,772
Speaker 2: got like a I had a desk for my son

1471
01:11:01,853 --> 01:11:03,892
Speaker 2: that eventually I just gave up and drilled it together.

1472
01:11:04,812 --> 01:11:06,812
Speaker 3: But you can't overdrill if you've you know, you've got

1473
01:11:06,853 --> 01:11:08,452
Speaker 3: the flat pack and you use a power tool to

1474
01:11:08,452 --> 01:11:11,172
Speaker 3: try and get those screws in. Sometimes that just destroys

1475
01:11:11,173 --> 01:11:12,572
Speaker 3: the whole thing. That's fragile.

1476
01:11:12,772 --> 01:11:13,732
Speaker 2: Brian, welcome with the show.

1477
01:11:15,412 --> 01:11:17,612
Speaker 15: There, I good agents, How are you very good?

1478
01:11:17,652 --> 01:11:19,132
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling your thoughts.

1479
01:11:20,692 --> 01:11:24,852
Speaker 11: Oh, I hate a flat pack. I hate o't care

1480
01:11:25,213 --> 01:11:27,452
Speaker 11: and it's a strong word, but it's here to say.

1481
01:11:27,572 --> 01:11:30,492
Speaker 11: Flat packs have been in the well around in New Zealand.

1482
01:11:30,532 --> 01:11:33,812
Speaker 11: Now for a long long time, but that they had

1483
01:11:33,812 --> 01:11:37,053
Speaker 11: a market and consumers. Because I'm in the industry. I'm

1484
01:11:37,053 --> 01:11:39,492
Speaker 11: in the furniture industry, been in there for thirty thirty

1485
01:11:39,572 --> 01:11:42,652
Speaker 11: nine years. I'm going to poster buy trade and I've

1486
01:11:42,652 --> 01:11:45,173
Speaker 11: made good furniture for the most for the majority of

1487
01:11:45,173 --> 01:11:48,293
Speaker 11: my life, and consumers just don't want to pay for it.

1488
01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:48,572
Speaker 7: Now.

1489
01:11:48,893 --> 01:11:49,933
Speaker 15: You talk about.

1490
01:11:49,612 --> 01:11:54,812
Speaker 11: Hardwood furniture, yeah, you're talking calorie, remove, matto whatever. That

1491
01:11:54,933 --> 01:11:58,652
Speaker 11: stuff's expensive. Let alone the costs of manufacturing and the

1492
01:11:58,732 --> 01:12:01,933
Speaker 11: design aspect. You can't quite get the design aspect on

1493
01:12:02,333 --> 01:12:05,053
Speaker 11: some of the stuff that they're doing from where most

1494
01:12:05,093 --> 01:12:07,492
Speaker 11: of our case goods come from today, which is China

1495
01:12:07,572 --> 01:12:10,812
Speaker 11: and Vietnam. And the quality of some of that stuff

1496
01:12:10,853 --> 01:12:13,572
Speaker 11: coming in is unbelievable. And yeah, don't get wrong, some

1497
01:12:13,612 --> 01:12:17,133
Speaker 11: of it's crap. But I think for young people, O

1498
01:12:17,293 --> 01:12:21,333
Speaker 11: here is going to be massive because it's affordable, it's new,

1499
01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:26,132
Speaker 11: it's it's yeah, it's new, and that's what young youngsters

1500
01:12:26,213 --> 01:12:26,612
Speaker 11: like today.

1501
01:12:26,772 --> 01:12:27,652
Speaker 7: They don't like old.

1502
01:12:27,853 --> 01:12:30,093
Speaker 3: Yeah what about I mean, because you mentioned they're the

1503
01:12:30,173 --> 01:12:32,132
Speaker 3: hard woods, and yet you bang on with the removes

1504
01:12:32,133 --> 01:12:34,492
Speaker 3: and the tort or et cetera. Can be very expensive.

1505
01:12:34,492 --> 01:12:36,412
Speaker 3: Because it's beautiful wood, and it's it can be hard

1506
01:12:36,452 --> 01:12:39,932
Speaker 3: to track down. What about just ordinary wood like pine,

1507
01:12:40,173 --> 01:12:43,173
Speaker 3: you know, instead of it being particle board or MDF,

1508
01:12:43,293 --> 01:12:46,572
Speaker 3: just pure good old fashioned pine.

1509
01:12:46,853 --> 01:12:49,492
Speaker 11: The industry is on its knees in New Zealand. There's

1510
01:12:49,492 --> 01:12:52,452
Speaker 11: no one actually doing what i would call the design

1511
01:12:52,492 --> 01:12:56,372
Speaker 11: aspect and pine in New Zealand at an affordable price

1512
01:12:56,412 --> 01:13:00,572
Speaker 11: they can't afford to. But the industry has said, I've

1513
01:13:00,572 --> 01:13:03,012
Speaker 11: been through been through it with my father. I've worked

1514
01:13:03,013 --> 01:13:07,412
Speaker 11: in my father's factory. Their furniture industry from upholstery to

1515
01:13:07,853 --> 01:13:10,612
Speaker 11: case goods was massive here in New Zealand, lots of talent.

1516
01:13:10,933 --> 01:13:15,173
Speaker 11: Most of that's now offshore. There is hardly any There

1517
01:13:15,213 --> 01:13:17,333
Speaker 11: is a couple of few good what i'd call furniture

1518
01:13:17,372 --> 01:13:20,293
Speaker 11: manufacturers left in the industry. And then you've got your

1519
01:13:20,412 --> 01:13:23,572
Speaker 11: your entry point and the stuff coming in from Asia

1520
01:13:24,412 --> 01:13:27,372
Speaker 11: is far far better. The good thing about Ikea is

1521
01:13:27,412 --> 01:13:30,773
Speaker 11: there a global business and they've probably got more credibility

1522
01:13:30,853 --> 01:13:34,692
Speaker 11: than some of your individual stores that are dotted around

1523
01:13:34,692 --> 01:13:36,972
Speaker 11: that what I would call pop up stores that come

1524
01:13:37,013 --> 01:13:39,492
Speaker 11: in and disappear quickly, right, because at least you've got

1525
01:13:39,492 --> 01:13:41,532
Speaker 11: some sort of recourse with the consumer to go back to.

1526
01:13:42,133 --> 01:13:44,253
Speaker 11: As much as I don't like going through Ikea, I

1527
01:13:44,013 --> 01:13:46,412
Speaker 11: hate trimming through it. I like to go into a

1528
01:13:46,452 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 11: store and out right and do my business. As you

1529
01:13:49,652 --> 01:13:51,532
Speaker 11: guys have alluded to you, you've got to walk all

1530
01:13:51,572 --> 01:13:53,572
Speaker 11: the way through, which is quite turious.

1531
01:13:55,093 --> 01:13:57,053
Speaker 2: They're trying to track you into buying something else. They

1532
01:13:57,053 --> 01:13:58,532
Speaker 2: get your last Yeah.

1533
01:13:59,133 --> 01:14:01,173
Speaker 11: I'm a typical bloke. I like to walk into a store,

1534
01:14:01,412 --> 01:14:02,293
Speaker 11: get what I need.

1535
01:14:02,133 --> 01:14:02,532
Speaker 13: And get out.

1536
01:14:02,812 --> 01:14:07,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, you say that you know there's quality,

1537
01:14:07,492 --> 01:14:11,612
Speaker 2: quality furniture that you can import from overseas, from China

1538
01:14:11,692 --> 01:14:14,293
Speaker 2: and the like. How do you know? How can you tell,

1539
01:14:14,452 --> 01:14:16,812
Speaker 2: you know, jumping online that something's going to be quality

1540
01:14:17,013 --> 01:14:17,772
Speaker 2: and going to survive.

1541
01:14:18,253 --> 01:14:21,372
Speaker 11: Don't put Buying online is probably the worst thing you

1542
01:14:21,372 --> 01:14:26,133
Speaker 11: can do in the world. Furniture like furniture. I came

1543
01:14:26,133 --> 01:14:29,612
Speaker 11: back from the UK in two thousand and one. I

1544
01:14:29,652 --> 01:14:31,372
Speaker 11: said to my dad, look, we need to secure a

1545
01:14:31,412 --> 01:14:34,213
Speaker 11: domain name. And he said to me, what's that all right?

1546
01:14:35,572 --> 01:14:37,013
Speaker 11: And he said to me, I people are never going

1547
01:14:37,013 --> 01:14:40,133
Speaker 11: to buy furniture for a website. And I said to mate,

1548
01:14:40,213 --> 01:14:43,612
Speaker 11: I'm telling you, people will do the rounds and then

1549
01:14:43,652 --> 01:14:45,412
Speaker 11: they will come and see it, touch it, feel it

1550
01:14:45,612 --> 01:14:48,612
Speaker 11: before they make a decision. If you're buying furniture online,

1551
01:14:48,652 --> 01:14:49,412
Speaker 11: you're asking for.

1552
01:14:49,372 --> 01:14:51,053
Speaker 4: Trouble, all right.

1553
01:14:51,893 --> 01:14:54,293
Speaker 11: You still if you go into a furniture store and

1554
01:14:54,333 --> 01:14:58,973
Speaker 11: there's something at two ninety nine for what's considered a

1555
01:14:59,013 --> 01:15:01,812
Speaker 11: beautiful dining table, I'd be concerned at two ninety nine.

1556
01:15:02,412 --> 01:15:04,652
Speaker 11: If it was nineteen ninety nine, you're probably going to

1557
01:15:04,652 --> 01:15:07,732
Speaker 11: get a lot of bad product. But two ninety nine

1558
01:15:07,812 --> 01:15:09,852
Speaker 11: you'd expect to use it in your flat for a year,

1559
01:15:09,853 --> 01:15:11,452
Speaker 11: would be trusted. And as you said, if you moved

1560
01:15:11,452 --> 01:15:13,892
Speaker 11: from Wellington to workromd Auckland to Wellington, you throw it

1561
01:15:13,933 --> 01:15:16,852
Speaker 11: in the bin, you get a new one.

1562
01:15:17,053 --> 01:15:19,973
Speaker 2: So is there any are there any flat pack manufacturers

1563
01:15:20,013 --> 01:15:25,093
Speaker 2: that are making generational furniture, something that you could hand

1564
01:15:25,133 --> 01:15:26,612
Speaker 2: down to your kids. I mean, this sounds like a

1565
01:15:26,732 --> 01:15:28,973
Speaker 2: ridiculous It sounds so ridiculous to say these things that

1566
01:15:29,013 --> 01:15:31,253
Speaker 2: were so standard. But is there any flat packs that

1567
01:15:31,253 --> 01:15:32,932
Speaker 2: are so good? Because a lot of people are coming

1568
01:15:32,933 --> 01:15:35,692
Speaker 2: through and they're pushing back and saying, look I a

1569
01:15:35,812 --> 01:15:36,652
Speaker 2: and making good stuff.

1570
01:15:38,452 --> 01:15:40,532
Speaker 11: Oh look, I'm sure they make some good stuff, and

1571
01:15:40,572 --> 01:15:43,253
Speaker 11: I'm I mean they source from all over the place, right,

1572
01:15:43,293 --> 01:15:47,293
Speaker 11: as well as their own factories. Is there any good

1573
01:15:48,452 --> 01:15:52,973
Speaker 11: I don't know. You said with a company called Criterion

1574
01:15:53,053 --> 01:15:54,852
Speaker 11: years ago in Eastomach they were massive.

1575
01:15:55,532 --> 01:15:57,532
Speaker 2: Sorry, Brian, we're gonna we're gonna have to jump into

1576
01:15:57,572 --> 01:15:59,133
Speaker 2: the news that's coming in like a freight trine. But

1577
01:15:59,253 --> 01:16:02,772
Speaker 2: let's keep this flat back back lass going after after three.

1578
01:16:02,612 --> 01:16:04,692
Speaker 3: Oh and undred eighty ten eighty is that number to

1579
01:16:04,772 --> 01:16:07,253
Speaker 3: call love to hear your thoughts on the old flat

1580
01:16:07,293 --> 01:16:10,013
Speaker 3: pack discussion. New Sporting Weather on its way afternoon to.

1581
01:16:09,973 --> 01:16:15,892
Speaker 1: You your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's

1582
01:16:16,053 --> 01:16:19,732
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1583
01:16:19,853 --> 01:16:24,412
Speaker 3: Sebby, very good afternoon to you. It is seven past

1584
01:16:24,412 --> 01:16:27,692
Speaker 3: three and we've been talking about flat pack furniture. Matt

1585
01:16:27,772 --> 01:16:31,252
Speaker 3: you're on a mission to say no to flat pack furniture.

1586
01:16:31,452 --> 01:16:34,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's banging on about these Mount Wellington based meatball

1587
01:16:34,893 --> 01:16:39,852
Speaker 2: hocking flat packers, beautifully said beautifully. So look I feel

1588
01:16:39,893 --> 01:16:43,492
Speaker 2: like I'm attacking the Swedes unfairly. And look, you know

1589
01:16:43,572 --> 01:16:46,012
Speaker 2: I have been doing this since nineteen fifty six. Yep,

1590
01:16:46,173 --> 01:16:48,253
Speaker 2: you know they've been on the flat pack buzz for

1591
01:16:48,293 --> 01:16:50,812
Speaker 2: a very very very long time. And look I'm willing

1592
01:16:50,893 --> 01:16:55,052
Speaker 2: to accept that potentially that their flat packs are better

1593
01:16:55,093 --> 01:16:57,772
Speaker 2: than some of the flat packs. You know, people are

1594
01:16:58,412 --> 01:17:01,612
Speaker 2: hawking out there, you know, as someone here says, it's

1595
01:17:01,692 --> 01:17:05,732
Speaker 2: MDFs al right, those with chipboard that look like wheatbecks

1596
01:17:05,732 --> 01:17:09,053
Speaker 2: are rubbish and disintegrate. It's Steve from christ Church. Yeah, yeah,

1597
01:17:09,093 --> 01:17:10,253
Speaker 2: the INDIAFA is better.

1598
01:17:10,652 --> 01:17:13,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably And I don't want to cast uspoosions here,

1599
01:17:13,812 --> 01:17:17,013
Speaker 3: but Kmart love Kmart, but you've probably got to say

1600
01:17:17,013 --> 01:17:19,732
Speaker 3: they've gone for the old wheat box style rather than

1601
01:17:19,772 --> 01:17:22,052
Speaker 3: the ike slightly better than wheatbox.

1602
01:17:22,093 --> 01:17:24,013
Speaker 2: How many can you eat? How many flat packs can

1603
01:17:24,013 --> 01:17:28,612
Speaker 2: you eat? Mate? I have my grandparents Cody chest of

1604
01:17:28,732 --> 01:17:31,572
Speaker 2: drawers which is beautiful and a small remou chest of

1605
01:17:31,652 --> 01:17:33,772
Speaker 2: drawers I got for two hundred dollars secondhand a few

1606
01:17:33,812 --> 01:17:36,412
Speaker 2: years ago, beautiful real wood, and it gets better and

1607
01:17:36,492 --> 01:17:41,612
Speaker 2: better with every year it holds its value. Yeah, so

1608
01:17:41,893 --> 01:17:44,772
Speaker 2: you could definitely go and find furniture at secondhand stores.

1609
01:17:44,772 --> 01:17:49,452
Speaker 2: It's incredibly well made out of real wood, as one

1610
01:17:49,452 --> 01:17:52,372
Speaker 2: of our callers was pushing back before, though it might

1611
01:17:52,412 --> 01:17:54,772
Speaker 2: not be in the exact style you want for your

1612
01:17:54,893 --> 01:17:58,652
Speaker 2: carefully curated lock of your house, Yes exactly. It might

1613
01:17:58,692 --> 01:18:01,412
Speaker 2: be more sort of designed for a nineteen seventies house.

1614
01:18:01,532 --> 01:18:04,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they call it cottage gore now, which is

1615
01:18:04,333 --> 01:18:06,772
Speaker 3: you know, like people want it to look like kind

1616
01:18:06,812 --> 01:18:10,173
Speaker 3: of a nineteen fifties cottage, so having it a bit eccentric.

1617
01:18:10,893 --> 01:18:12,293
Speaker 3: But can you hear from you O eight one hundred

1618
01:18:12,372 --> 01:18:15,213
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty Have you said no to flat pack

1619
01:18:15,213 --> 01:18:17,532
Speaker 3: and you've just gone good old fashion? Key?

1620
01:18:17,572 --> 01:18:20,293
Speaker 2: We would, Hi, guys, I just drove through Mount Wellington,

1621
01:18:20,293 --> 01:18:22,253
Speaker 2: you muppets, and there's absolutely no traff at all. It's

1622
01:18:22,253 --> 01:18:25,053
Speaker 2: the quietest I've ever seen it. Sorry, OK, don't know

1623
01:18:25,053 --> 01:18:28,293
Speaker 2: why we're muppets for that. We bought our leather lounge

1624
01:18:28,293 --> 01:18:31,333
Speaker 2: suite from Freedom Furniture. The quality is amazing, made in China.

1625
01:18:31,492 --> 01:18:36,013
Speaker 2: I got Freedom Furniture free plug here to build me

1626
01:18:36,053 --> 01:18:38,333
Speaker 2: a couch design right. Yeah, you could pack all the

1627
01:18:38,333 --> 01:18:40,532
Speaker 2: different details of what you wanted. I wanted a particular color,

1628
01:18:40,612 --> 01:18:42,213
Speaker 2: particular size, all that kind of stuff and they put

1629
01:18:42,253 --> 01:18:42,612
Speaker 2: it together.

1630
01:18:42,692 --> 01:18:42,892
Speaker 3: Yep.

1631
01:18:42,973 --> 01:18:45,173
Speaker 2: No, it was a number of years ago. Still going strong,

1632
01:18:45,253 --> 01:18:46,213
Speaker 2: that couch nice.

1633
01:18:46,412 --> 01:18:48,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, they good people at Freedom, no doubt about it.

1634
01:18:48,253 --> 01:18:49,652
Speaker 2: I've actually got no idea what it's made of. I

1635
01:18:49,692 --> 01:18:52,093
Speaker 2: don't know if it's MDA for what. Yeah, but it's

1636
01:18:52,293 --> 01:18:54,852
Speaker 2: a solid, bloody heavy tell you yeah, just moved it

1637
01:18:54,893 --> 01:18:55,572
Speaker 2: into a new house.

1638
01:18:55,692 --> 01:18:58,012
Speaker 3: Jeez, can we put it out the core? Who can

1639
01:18:58,053 --> 01:19:00,293
Speaker 3: we find the oldest piece of furniture in New Zealand?

1640
01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:03,293
Speaker 3: If you've got a piece of furniture in your household there,

1641
01:19:03,372 --> 01:19:07,213
Speaker 3: let's say sixth generation. Are we old enough as a

1642
01:19:07,253 --> 01:19:09,333
Speaker 3: country to go six generations? You know?

1643
01:19:09,412 --> 01:19:14,093
Speaker 2: Have you have you read the Stephen King book Salem's Lot?

1644
01:19:14,452 --> 01:19:14,852
Speaker 5: No?

1645
01:19:15,013 --> 01:19:17,652
Speaker 2: Well, anyway, there's bit of furniture being imported from Europe,

1646
01:19:17,853 --> 01:19:19,053
Speaker 2: some of it with vampire, isn't it?

1647
01:19:19,692 --> 01:19:19,852
Speaker 11: Oh?

1648
01:19:19,893 --> 01:19:22,133
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1649
01:19:22,253 --> 01:19:24,372
Speaker 2: Guys. There's a great New Zealand company called wood Rights

1650
01:19:24,532 --> 01:19:28,412
Speaker 2: and I have all my furniture from them. It is amazing.

1651
01:19:28,652 --> 01:19:32,132
Speaker 2: It is amazing Wood Rights furniture, absolutely, but it is expensive.

1652
01:19:32,572 --> 01:19:35,492
Speaker 2: Hi Matt and Tyler flat pack, laundry cupboard. My qualified

1653
01:19:35,532 --> 01:19:39,172
Speaker 2: builder son assembled it for me. Nothing fitted or plumbed.

1654
01:19:39,293 --> 01:19:41,732
Speaker 2: He did his best to make it all level, but

1655
01:19:41,812 --> 01:19:45,253
Speaker 2: the language he used would curl your ears.

1656
01:19:45,732 --> 01:19:48,092
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, as long as it was put together.

1657
01:19:48,572 --> 01:19:51,213
Speaker 2: There's better secondhand stuff on the market and on trade me.

1658
01:19:51,372 --> 01:19:55,333
Speaker 2: Then you'll find in the flat pack. This person says,

1659
01:19:55,333 --> 01:19:57,572
Speaker 2: one advantage of MDF is the bora doesn't like it.

1660
01:19:57,732 --> 01:19:59,812
Speaker 3: Right, that is a massive bat bonus. Do we have

1661
01:19:59,853 --> 01:20:02,013
Speaker 3: bora in New Zealand? We must do? Yeah?

1662
01:20:02,133 --> 01:20:02,932
Speaker 2: Hell yeah.

1663
01:20:02,973 --> 01:20:04,572
Speaker 3: So a bora is like a termite, is it?

1664
01:20:04,772 --> 01:20:08,333
Speaker 2: Yeah? We also have dry rot in New Zealand, which

1665
01:20:08,372 --> 01:20:11,492
Speaker 2: isn't a good thing at Benson, welcome to show you're

1666
01:20:11,652 --> 01:20:12,692
Speaker 2: you're an Ikea fan.

1667
01:20:13,612 --> 01:20:17,253
Speaker 17: Good boys, afternoon, good afternoon, Thanks for calling.

1668
01:20:18,173 --> 01:20:18,772
Speaker 5: No worries.

1669
01:20:19,133 --> 01:20:20,933
Speaker 17: Look, look, I'm going to jump to the jump to

1670
01:20:20,973 --> 01:20:24,372
Speaker 17: the jump to the gun. I'm an Ikea fan, but

1671
01:20:25,133 --> 01:20:28,133
Speaker 17: I've lived into the four countries. I'm keiw here, but

1672
01:20:28,853 --> 01:20:32,452
Speaker 17: I've lived in four countries that had I care and

1673
01:20:32,572 --> 01:20:34,452
Speaker 17: I was sort of well bursed and how it works,

1674
01:20:34,492 --> 01:20:36,972
Speaker 17: and you know, it doesn't just end at flat pack.

1675
01:20:37,053 --> 01:20:39,572
Speaker 17: It's all the other bits and pieces that. Yeah, people

1676
01:20:39,612 --> 01:20:42,092
Speaker 17: say that you walk through and you see things and stuff.

1677
01:20:42,372 --> 01:20:46,812
Speaker 17: But I went there on Wednesday, I think it was Wednesday,

1678
01:20:46,893 --> 01:20:49,532
Speaker 17: with the friends and family. Don't know how I got invited,

1679
01:20:49,532 --> 01:20:54,133
Speaker 17: but I got invited and went along and it was

1680
01:20:54,173 --> 01:20:56,173
Speaker 17: sort of like they did a trial test run like

1681
01:20:56,213 --> 01:21:00,812
Speaker 17: security systems, but you could buy stuff as a normal

1682
01:21:00,893 --> 01:21:05,173
Speaker 17: shopper before the public and there's no difference between that

1683
01:21:05,333 --> 01:21:10,892
Speaker 17: store and Auckland then there is in Singapore, Japan, Australia, Sydney,

1684
01:21:11,253 --> 01:21:14,052
Speaker 17: like no difference, if not better. The New Zealand store

1685
01:21:14,093 --> 01:21:20,892
Speaker 17: was actually nicer and and better laid out the all

1686
01:21:20,933 --> 01:21:24,173
Speaker 17: of the discussions about you know, like hard words and

1687
01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:27,412
Speaker 17: things like that. I agree, Matt, and I totally agree

1688
01:21:28,213 --> 01:21:31,852
Speaker 17: Matt with you. Do you still have the same furniture

1689
01:21:31,893 --> 01:21:33,933
Speaker 17: that you had with when you first got together with

1690
01:21:34,053 --> 01:21:39,732
Speaker 17: your your partner, original partner, Like you just taste change and.

1691
01:21:39,812 --> 01:21:43,093
Speaker 3: It's a clearly quest their beds you you've got them

1692
01:21:43,133 --> 01:21:43,932
Speaker 3: on the spot now.

1693
01:21:44,013 --> 01:21:48,613
Speaker 2: Well some some to be to be honest, and some yes.

1694
01:21:48,572 --> 01:21:51,333
Speaker 17: Tastes change and it's like clothing, it's like things come

1695
01:21:51,452 --> 01:21:53,532
Speaker 17: make their way round and stuff, but in this day

1696
01:21:53,572 --> 01:21:56,012
Speaker 17: and time, and it's sad, but it is true that

1697
01:21:56,253 --> 01:21:57,852
Speaker 17: you know, people it's not.

1698
01:21:57,812 --> 01:22:01,333
Speaker 5: Like the fast fashion stuff. But it makes.

1699
01:22:01,053 --> 01:22:03,732
Speaker 17: Things more affordable and like I said to your producer

1700
01:22:03,772 --> 01:22:06,692
Speaker 17: before on the phone, it's like it makes things more

1701
01:22:06,772 --> 01:22:11,732
Speaker 17: affordable for your class New Zealanders and I think having

1702
01:22:11,732 --> 01:22:14,173
Speaker 17: the online store as well for the people in Wellington

1703
01:22:14,372 --> 01:22:17,013
Speaker 17: or Dunedin or wherever they are. You know they're going

1704
01:22:17,053 --> 01:22:19,732
Speaker 17: to be able to get stuff. And I think it's

1705
01:22:19,732 --> 01:22:22,532
Speaker 17: going to it's going to shake up people like like

1706
01:22:22,612 --> 01:22:26,093
Speaker 17: companies like the warehouse because that stuff is the week

1707
01:22:26,133 --> 01:22:29,172
Speaker 17: big stuff. Kmart is the week big stuff.

1708
01:22:29,532 --> 01:22:30,492
Speaker 5: You know, it's.

1709
01:22:30,253 --> 01:22:33,053
Speaker 17: Fine for maybe a year and then you move it

1710
01:22:33,093 --> 01:22:41,893
Speaker 17: around and just before you cut me off.

1711
01:22:39,213 --> 01:22:40,732
Speaker 3: And we're loving this kid going man.

1712
01:22:41,093 --> 01:22:43,732
Speaker 17: Okay, all right, all right because you know, so with

1713
01:22:45,013 --> 01:22:48,173
Speaker 17: just as a funny kind of comparison. So, my wife

1714
01:22:48,173 --> 01:22:53,932
Speaker 17: and I moved to Australia sixteen years ago and we

1715
01:22:54,093 --> 01:22:56,812
Speaker 17: moved with just two suitcases. And then we got our

1716
01:22:56,812 --> 01:22:59,852
Speaker 17: apartment and we went to Ikea and we walked out.

1717
01:22:59,893 --> 01:23:04,253
Speaker 17: We spent fourteen hundred dollars New Zealand, okay, And we

1718
01:23:04,333 --> 01:23:07,132
Speaker 17: had a TV unit, We had a dining table, chairs,

1719
01:23:07,973 --> 01:23:11,132
Speaker 17: matt t is, a bed frame, a chest like just everything,

1720
01:23:11,213 --> 01:23:14,573
Speaker 17: knives and forks, plates, everything, fourteen hundred dollars okay.

1721
01:23:15,093 --> 01:23:17,052
Speaker 5: And some of that stuff.

1722
01:23:17,253 --> 01:23:19,892
Speaker 17: Even though our tastes have changed, some of that stuff

1723
01:23:20,253 --> 01:23:24,492
Speaker 17: we still have. We moved from Australia to Asia that

1724
01:23:24,652 --> 01:23:28,013
Speaker 17: had I care the same pieces of furniture came with

1725
01:23:28,173 --> 01:23:31,572
Speaker 17: us because the company paid the same pieces of furniture

1726
01:23:31,612 --> 01:23:34,572
Speaker 17: came with us because the company paid her. My wife's

1727
01:23:34,652 --> 01:23:36,612
Speaker 17: company paid for us to get the stuff shipped over

1728
01:23:37,532 --> 01:23:41,372
Speaker 17: and that went into storage and Asia, and we ended

1729
01:23:41,452 --> 01:23:45,573
Speaker 17: up shipping that stuff back from Asia back to Australia

1730
01:23:45,652 --> 01:23:48,892
Speaker 17: and then back to New Zealand and then just get

1731
01:23:48,933 --> 01:23:52,133
Speaker 17: those for a little funny thing. I ended up coming

1732
01:23:52,213 --> 01:23:53,892
Speaker 17: up because again we got the stuff shipped back to

1733
01:23:53,893 --> 01:23:56,492
Speaker 17: New Zealand. I ended up taking that those pieces of

1734
01:23:56,532 --> 01:23:59,612
Speaker 17: furniture which we're out of our style now, and you know,

1735
01:23:59,812 --> 01:24:03,173
Speaker 17: had no, we didn't like them anymore. And I put

1736
01:24:03,173 --> 01:24:07,972
Speaker 17: them on trade me and tripled the price of people

1737
01:24:08,013 --> 01:24:10,012
Speaker 17: bidding on them because they wanted those items.

1738
01:24:10,053 --> 01:24:11,452
Speaker 3: Wow on seller.

1739
01:24:11,532 --> 01:24:14,293
Speaker 2: This was a happy story, Benson. So when you ship them,

1740
01:24:14,293 --> 01:24:16,293
Speaker 2: did you reflat pack them or did you ship them

1741
01:24:16,492 --> 01:24:16,972
Speaker 2: made up?

1742
01:24:17,173 --> 01:24:20,133
Speaker 5: Ship shipped as together? Ship hole?

1743
01:24:20,293 --> 01:24:20,532
Speaker 3: Wow?

1744
01:24:20,612 --> 01:24:21,213
Speaker 2: Ship hole?

1745
01:24:21,692 --> 01:24:24,572
Speaker 17: And can I just one one last little crazy bit.

1746
01:24:25,412 --> 01:24:27,772
Speaker 17: We have a dining table that's from my care and

1747
01:24:27,812 --> 01:24:32,293
Speaker 17: it's solid pine and that same dining table we still

1748
01:24:32,293 --> 01:24:35,772
Speaker 17: have it today and it's fifteen years old and it's

1749
01:24:35,812 --> 01:24:36,572
Speaker 17: been around the world.

1750
01:24:36,692 --> 01:24:39,293
Speaker 2: Oh good on you, Benson. Now do you have a Titan,

1751
01:24:39,452 --> 01:24:41,972
Speaker 2: because that's something that a few people are pushing back, saying,

1752
01:24:42,013 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 2: if you're if you're flat pack furniture, if it is

1753
01:24:44,452 --> 01:24:46,572
Speaker 2: MDF and not wheat books as some of them are,

1754
01:24:48,853 --> 01:24:52,253
Speaker 2: that you need to go in periodically and tighten and

1755
01:24:52,293 --> 01:24:52,852
Speaker 2: tighten up.

1756
01:24:53,973 --> 01:24:57,173
Speaker 17: I mean it's pretty broad, to be honest, because it

1757
01:24:57,253 --> 01:25:00,372
Speaker 17: depends on the item. I mean that table, we took

1758
01:25:00,412 --> 01:25:02,412
Speaker 17: the legs off when it went in the container, but

1759
01:25:02,572 --> 01:25:07,412
Speaker 17: that's been from Australia, Asia to Australia to New Zealand.

1760
01:25:07,412 --> 01:25:08,972
Speaker 5: The legs came off, that's it.

1761
01:25:09,093 --> 01:25:10,572
Speaker 17: I mean the TV unit.

1762
01:25:11,093 --> 01:25:12,132
Speaker 5: The TV unit.

1763
01:25:11,933 --> 01:25:14,893
Speaker 17: Got wrapped up and bubble wrapped and some cardboard and

1764
01:25:15,013 --> 01:25:18,093
Speaker 17: it's gone around the world and then some someone paid

1765
01:25:18,133 --> 01:25:22,133
Speaker 17: three times as much the price aland solid.

1766
01:25:23,532 --> 01:25:25,133
Speaker 2: Benson, And did you mention that it was when you

1767
01:25:25,133 --> 01:25:26,652
Speaker 2: were selling it on trade me that this has been

1768
01:25:26,652 --> 01:25:27,972
Speaker 2: made from a flat pack.

1769
01:25:28,812 --> 01:25:30,532
Speaker 5: I just said I care TV.

1770
01:25:31,333 --> 01:25:35,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, yeah, just had an interest. Benson. How did

1771
01:25:35,133 --> 01:25:36,973
Speaker 3: you get the invite to the opening day? What do

1772
01:25:37,053 --> 01:25:38,213
Speaker 3: you do it was?

1773
01:25:38,333 --> 01:25:40,732
Speaker 5: Well, I did state that it was.

1774
01:25:40,973 --> 01:25:42,372
Speaker 17: I didn't know how I got it, but it was

1775
01:25:42,412 --> 01:25:46,732
Speaker 17: through a family friend who works in an industry that

1776
01:25:46,732 --> 01:25:51,012
Speaker 17: that they are they will be a supplier for said company.

1777
01:25:51,213 --> 01:25:53,732
Speaker 2: And did you buy anything this time? Because at the

1778
01:25:53,772 --> 01:25:56,412
Speaker 2: fourteen hundred dollars you spent was in Australia, right, So

1779
01:25:56,532 --> 01:26:00,012
Speaker 2: did you buy anything in this in this special special

1780
01:26:00,013 --> 01:26:02,932
Speaker 2: invite to an early early walk through IQ.

1781
01:26:03,772 --> 01:26:06,492
Speaker 17: Everything was fair game. And I don't know, I've only

1782
01:26:06,572 --> 01:26:08,652
Speaker 17: kind of jumped in on this just now drive, but

1783
01:26:09,812 --> 01:26:13,732
Speaker 17: like I bought just sort of stuff, like like what

1784
01:26:13,812 --> 01:26:16,732
Speaker 17: did I buy? I bought some glasses and glassware. Also

1785
01:26:16,812 --> 01:26:19,093
Speaker 17: all the glasses we bought fifteen years ago still have

1786
01:26:19,173 --> 01:26:23,492
Speaker 17: those glasses the yeah, but just sorry, just to paint

1787
01:26:23,612 --> 01:26:26,452
Speaker 17: a crazy picture about it on that fat friends and

1788
01:26:26,532 --> 01:26:30,492
Speaker 17: family day carts were full, not just little bits and

1789
01:26:30,532 --> 01:26:34,852
Speaker 17: pieces of people nosing around. Carts were full, and they

1790
01:26:35,173 --> 01:26:37,973
Speaker 17: like people were just gobsmacked on the prices.

1791
01:26:38,253 --> 01:26:38,452
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1792
01:26:38,492 --> 01:26:39,213
Speaker 2: Well think if you.

1793
01:26:39,093 --> 01:26:41,532
Speaker 3: Call Benson, it's high praise for IKEA.

1794
01:26:41,652 --> 01:26:45,093
Speaker 2: There you go, he rates like here, he's transported all

1795
01:26:45,133 --> 01:26:47,692
Speaker 2: around the world and he's been back for another special

1796
01:26:47,692 --> 01:26:48,692
Speaker 2: trip already yep.

1797
01:26:48,893 --> 01:26:50,372
Speaker 3: And then he sold it and made money on his

1798
01:26:50,452 --> 01:26:51,333
Speaker 3: flatback furniture.

1799
01:26:51,572 --> 01:26:53,093
Speaker 2: He's painting a pretty picture there.

1800
01:26:53,253 --> 01:26:54,812
Speaker 3: What do you reckon? I had one hundred and eighty

1801
01:26:54,893 --> 01:26:56,572
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call it. You're a

1802
01:26:56,572 --> 01:26:59,972
Speaker 3: big fan of Ikea furniture or are you generational furniture

1803
01:27:00,053 --> 01:27:00,652
Speaker 3: all the way?

1804
01:27:00,933 --> 01:27:03,532
Speaker 2: Yeah? So are you on my flat pack backlash or

1805
01:27:03,652 --> 01:27:05,532
Speaker 2: you on the Benson flat pack train?

1806
01:27:05,732 --> 01:27:09,532
Speaker 3: It's eighteen past three his talks'd be it's twenty past three.

1807
01:27:09,853 --> 01:27:13,652
Speaker 3: So Matt is promoting the flat pack back lash to

1808
01:27:13,853 --> 01:27:16,692
Speaker 3: your agree on the back of I gear opening, I

1809
01:27:16,772 --> 01:27:19,652
Speaker 3: nailed that. I've been loaths to say because I knew

1810
01:27:19,652 --> 01:27:20,492
Speaker 3: I was going to screw it up.

1811
01:27:20,853 --> 01:27:23,213
Speaker 2: Or are you on the flat pack bandwagon? Are you

1812
01:27:23,293 --> 01:27:26,732
Speaker 2: part of the FPBL or the FPBW. That's we're asking.

1813
01:27:26,732 --> 01:27:30,532
Speaker 2: In one hundred and eighty ten eighty you were asking

1814
01:27:30,732 --> 01:27:36,173
Speaker 2: about the oldest piece of furniture that's out there. Yeah,

1815
01:27:36,732 --> 01:27:39,532
Speaker 2: I have a piece of furniture made in seventeen fifty,

1816
01:27:39,692 --> 01:27:43,652
Speaker 2: still working and still in working order. That's from Dave.

1817
01:27:44,293 --> 01:27:45,333
Speaker 3: It's older than the country.

1818
01:27:45,572 --> 01:27:46,572
Speaker 2: That wasn't a flat pack.

1819
01:27:47,973 --> 01:27:49,612
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number of

1820
01:27:49,652 --> 01:27:50,372
Speaker 3: cool Hi guys.

1821
01:27:50,412 --> 01:27:53,772
Speaker 2: I have four cheers made from walnut circus seventeen seventy.

1822
01:27:54,053 --> 01:27:56,572
Speaker 2: The trees were growing well before came to New Zealand

1823
01:27:56,572 --> 01:27:59,133
Speaker 2: in sixteen seventy nine and no walnut these days. It

1824
01:27:59,173 --> 01:28:02,053
Speaker 2: moved into mahogany and then into oak walnut as a

1825
01:28:02,053 --> 01:28:05,812
Speaker 2: classic wood never to be again. I am only the

1826
01:28:05,853 --> 01:28:10,932
Speaker 2: owner and protector of such a beautiful classic regards ed Well,

1827
01:28:10,933 --> 01:28:14,932
Speaker 2: that's interesting. If a piece of furniture is so old

1828
01:28:15,053 --> 01:28:18,652
Speaker 2: and important that you just see yourself as the guardian

1829
01:28:18,732 --> 01:28:21,133
Speaker 2: of it, is it as it travels through your life?

1830
01:28:21,732 --> 01:28:23,892
Speaker 2: That is? That is pretty cool piece of furniture.

1831
01:28:23,933 --> 01:28:24,772
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thing.

1832
01:28:24,853 --> 01:28:27,572
Speaker 2: I mean, are you getting anything from Ikea that you'll

1833
01:28:27,572 --> 01:28:29,893
Speaker 2: say that about? I am just a guardian of this

1834
01:28:30,572 --> 01:28:31,372
Speaker 2: TV cabinet.

1835
01:28:32,133 --> 01:28:36,173
Speaker 3: It's lovely wood walnut. I've just looked it up, beautiful coloring, David's.

1836
01:28:36,293 --> 01:28:37,973
Speaker 3: You're a keen Ikea shopping.

1837
01:28:39,173 --> 01:28:40,772
Speaker 13: I can be from time to time.

1838
01:28:43,492 --> 01:28:46,812
Speaker 3: You're there, yep, sorry, just having.

1839
01:28:49,372 --> 01:28:53,412
Speaker 13: We bought all our furniture in Brisbane, Australia when we

1840
01:28:53,452 --> 01:28:57,892
Speaker 13: are there and we moved back here. But for the

1841
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:03,772
Speaker 13: best I think better than the furniture. But what are

1842
01:29:03,812 --> 01:29:07,293
Speaker 13: I found with the We've got this towel covered thing

1843
01:29:07,853 --> 01:29:11,612
Speaker 13: and we move that over, but when we know all

1844
01:29:11,692 --> 01:29:16,892
Speaker 13: assembled order over from OZ when we moved here and

1845
01:29:17,213 --> 01:29:20,173
Speaker 13: I found or I found the backing of them was

1846
01:29:20,372 --> 01:29:24,852
Speaker 13: very suspects and not very good. So it was you know,

1847
01:29:24,933 --> 01:29:28,133
Speaker 13: you talk about MVS and you talk about particle board,

1848
01:29:28,173 --> 01:29:32,653
Speaker 13: but the NDF is just as bad as the particle board.

1849
01:29:33,053 --> 01:29:36,572
Speaker 13: And I had to basically rescrew it all back together,

1850
01:29:36,732 --> 01:29:39,932
Speaker 13: the backing and drew it, threw it all together because

1851
01:29:39,973 --> 01:29:42,972
Speaker 13: it just wouldn't stay together when we bought it into

1852
01:29:43,173 --> 01:29:47,333
Speaker 13: our apartment, and so then I had to refit the

1853
01:29:47,372 --> 01:29:51,933
Speaker 13: doors because they wouldn't fit. So, yeah, it has its upside,

1854
01:29:51,973 --> 01:29:54,973
Speaker 13: but there's also some downsides to it as well. And

1855
01:29:55,053 --> 01:29:58,612
Speaker 13: I think it was the backing that really hold its

1856
01:29:58,692 --> 01:30:02,053
Speaker 13: supposed to hold the thing together but didn't, so I

1857
01:30:02,093 --> 01:30:05,492
Speaker 13: had to basically had to almost rebuild it. Being a

1858
01:30:05,532 --> 01:30:10,973
Speaker 13: carpenter builder, so it wasn't that. But I tell you

1859
01:30:11,013 --> 01:30:14,133
Speaker 13: a good one is the chairs. That there's some very

1860
01:30:14,133 --> 01:30:18,092
Speaker 13: good chairs they make and it takes about three people

1861
01:30:18,133 --> 01:30:20,892
Speaker 13: that listen because they're so well built and heavy, and

1862
01:30:20,973 --> 01:30:21,932
Speaker 13: so they're excellent.

1863
01:30:22,612 --> 01:30:26,732
Speaker 2: Heavy is a good sign of quality.

1864
01:30:25,452 --> 01:30:27,892
Speaker 13: Dining around chairs, Yeah, very good.

1865
01:30:28,053 --> 01:30:31,772
Speaker 2: The furniture is annoying and heavy and horrible to shift.

1866
01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:34,333
Speaker 2: It's offen the be stuff. Now what David, you say

1867
01:30:34,333 --> 01:30:36,653
Speaker 2: you're a carpenter. So when you're putting.

1868
01:30:36,372 --> 01:30:41,213
Speaker 13: Together I'm actually a boat build I've been building for.

1869
01:30:41,173 --> 01:30:43,852
Speaker 2: A long time, so you've got the skills. So do

1870
01:30:43,973 --> 01:30:46,412
Speaker 2: you do you find it easy to put together a

1871
01:30:46,412 --> 01:30:48,613
Speaker 2: flat pack? Do you find it easy to follow them struct.

1872
01:30:50,053 --> 01:30:50,253
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1873
01:30:50,293 --> 01:30:54,053
Speaker 13: No trouble, easy to put together? Yeah? Good?

1874
01:30:54,173 --> 01:30:57,293
Speaker 2: Do you do you do you put your own screws

1875
01:30:57,293 --> 01:30:59,213
Speaker 2: in there of it? Do you just bypass the rules

1876
01:30:59,213 --> 01:31:01,612
Speaker 2: and throw it together? And do you do you glue

1877
01:31:01,612 --> 01:31:03,812
Speaker 2: it up in a different way?

1878
01:31:03,933 --> 01:31:08,692
Speaker 13: Pass bypass the rules sometimes when you needed it's the

1879
01:31:08,812 --> 01:31:12,452
Speaker 13: back It's the backing that holds the whole thing together.

1880
01:31:12,893 --> 01:31:16,093
Speaker 13: And if the backing is no good, the doors don't step. Yeah,

1881
01:31:16,293 --> 01:31:22,932
Speaker 13: got a couple of frame of doors. It's sweet. Sweet, Yeah,

1882
01:31:22,973 --> 01:31:23,372
Speaker 13: it's good.

1883
01:31:23,452 --> 01:31:25,892
Speaker 3: Do you still get that same satisfaction when you complete

1884
01:31:26,133 --> 01:31:28,852
Speaker 3: a flat pack build versus just building something from scratch?

1885
01:31:29,133 --> 01:31:31,053
Speaker 3: I feel pretty good when I get it together if

1886
01:31:31,053 --> 01:31:33,173
Speaker 3: it's flat pack. Do you feel that same satisfaction?

1887
01:31:33,452 --> 01:31:33,652
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1888
01:31:34,612 --> 01:31:38,133
Speaker 13: No, Well, sinking both it's not that great. I think

1889
01:31:38,173 --> 01:31:42,253
Speaker 13: I'd rather build my own. Yes, that's all Right's okay?

1890
01:31:42,372 --> 01:31:44,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, thank you so much for you call David. Hey, guys,

1891
01:31:44,812 --> 01:31:47,253
Speaker 2: if you use builders glue or PVA glue on the

1892
01:31:47,253 --> 01:31:50,692
Speaker 2: flat packs. It will stay strong for years. That's from

1893
01:31:50,732 --> 01:31:54,732
Speaker 2: Wayne and this six says I've still got my IIC

1894
01:31:55,213 --> 01:31:58,612
Speaker 2: slat bed with bedroom furniture after twenty four years and

1895
01:31:58,612 --> 01:32:00,972
Speaker 2: contained from UK to the New Zealand and two house

1896
01:32:01,013 --> 01:32:02,732
Speaker 2: moves in New Zealand, still going strong.

1897
01:32:02,812 --> 01:32:05,412
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. Twenty four years from Louis oh and

1898
01:32:05,532 --> 01:32:07,612
Speaker 3: under an eighty ten eighty set number to call twenty

1899
01:32:07,732 --> 01:32:08,772
Speaker 3: five pass three.

1900
01:32:08,973 --> 01:32:11,812
Speaker 2: Are you part of the fpb L or the fpb W,

1901
01:32:11,893 --> 01:32:15,452
Speaker 2: the flat pack backlash or the flat pack Bandwagon? You'd

1902
01:32:15,532 --> 01:32:17,812
Speaker 2: love to hear from you. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1903
01:32:21,933 --> 01:32:25,372
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1904
01:32:25,372 --> 01:32:27,573
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on us talk ZB.

1905
01:32:27,933 --> 01:32:31,133
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you twenty eight pass three and we are

1906
01:32:31,173 --> 01:32:34,492
Speaker 3: talking about flat pack furniture on the back of Ikea

1907
01:32:34,612 --> 01:32:36,892
Speaker 3: having their grand opening in Auckland today.

1908
01:32:37,133 --> 01:32:40,372
Speaker 2: I'm trying to start the flat pack backlash, but I'm

1909
01:32:40,412 --> 01:32:42,852
Speaker 2: getting a bit of pushback, getting a bit.

1910
01:32:42,772 --> 01:32:44,333
Speaker 3: Of the Ikea fans are coming through.

1911
01:32:44,572 --> 01:32:46,652
Speaker 2: Hi, Mett and Tyler. Listen to some of these callers.

1912
01:32:46,692 --> 01:32:49,092
Speaker 2: It's funny. People just need to realize when you buy Ikea,

1913
01:32:49,133 --> 01:32:52,372
Speaker 2: you get Ikea at Ikea prizes. It serves the purpose

1914
01:32:52,452 --> 01:32:55,572
Speaker 2: it is designed for. You're not buying Chesterfield furniture. That's

1915
01:32:55,612 --> 01:32:56,012
Speaker 2: from Ellen.

1916
01:32:56,412 --> 01:32:57,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very fair point.

1917
01:32:57,732 --> 01:32:58,973
Speaker 2: Hey, this is you know how I said to you

1918
01:32:59,093 --> 01:33:00,732
Speaker 2: Tyler at the start the shot. I want you shoving

1919
01:33:00,772 --> 01:33:03,412
Speaker 2: a neutral and just coasting down health to Christmas.

1920
01:33:03,532 --> 01:33:03,732
Speaker 3: Yep.

1921
01:33:03,732 --> 01:33:07,732
Speaker 2: I want you fanging up the motorway and fifth gear yep.

1922
01:33:08,372 --> 01:33:10,452
Speaker 3: Very clear. Yeah, because there's no slacking off.

1923
01:33:10,492 --> 01:33:13,772
Speaker 2: There's a lot of slack ZIDB hosts that have already

1924
01:33:13,772 --> 01:33:16,532
Speaker 2: gone on holiday, no names, and there's a lot of

1925
01:33:16,973 --> 01:33:21,052
Speaker 2: media people that are clearly just going on holiday already,

1926
01:33:21,093 --> 01:33:21,892
Speaker 2: just going through the motions.

1927
01:33:21,933 --> 01:33:23,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, mentally tapped out.

1928
01:33:23,412 --> 01:33:26,492
Speaker 2: And so this is why this text concerns me. Hi, guys,

1929
01:33:26,492 --> 01:33:28,412
Speaker 2: great show is always. I have to say, though, this

1930
01:33:28,492 --> 01:33:32,053
Speaker 2: must be the most boring show of the year. This

1931
01:33:32,093 --> 01:33:34,133
Speaker 2: is nearly putting me to sleep while driving. Flat pet

1932
01:33:34,173 --> 01:33:37,572
Speaker 2: furniture is not interesting. Well, well, look, it can't be

1933
01:33:37,612 --> 01:33:39,772
Speaker 2: a great show as always if it's it's putting you

1934
01:33:39,812 --> 01:33:40,732
Speaker 2: to sleep while you're driving.

1935
01:33:40,853 --> 01:33:42,372
Speaker 3: Start off with a cottle. So that's good.

1936
01:33:42,492 --> 01:33:45,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why I read it. But I gotta say,

1937
01:33:45,452 --> 01:33:47,372
Speaker 2: we've got to be careful about that, you know, but

1938
01:33:48,492 --> 01:33:50,893
Speaker 2: interestingly cooler. I've never been more jazzed up about a

1939
01:33:50,893 --> 01:33:51,173
Speaker 2: stop it.

1940
01:33:51,253 --> 01:33:53,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. You might think I'm a third year,

1941
01:33:53,173 --> 01:33:56,572
Speaker 3: but I'm riving this engine hard. One hundred and eighty

1942
01:33:56,612 --> 01:33:58,213
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

1943
01:33:59,013 --> 01:34:00,892
Speaker 2: I have a set of drawers that is fourth generation

1944
01:34:01,013 --> 01:34:03,253
Speaker 2: from England, from my great nan who was born in

1945
01:34:03,293 --> 01:34:06,253
Speaker 2: the late eighteen hundreds, my twenty eight year old with

1946
01:34:06,412 --> 01:34:09,852
Speaker 2: three kids. Now it will go to I'm twenty eight

1947
01:34:09,893 --> 01:34:11,652
Speaker 2: with three kids, and now it'll probably go to one

1948
01:34:11,772 --> 01:34:14,532
Speaker 2: of my kids eventually. Real wood all the way. Our

1949
01:34:14,532 --> 01:34:17,253
Speaker 2: whole home is full of real wood furniture. My mom

1950
01:34:17,372 --> 01:34:19,492
Speaker 2: is a wood worker as a hobby and she makes

1951
01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:22,852
Speaker 2: anything we need from real wood. How good. Our kids

1952
01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:26,012
Speaker 2: will move out with real wood furniture from us. Draws

1953
01:34:26,053 --> 01:34:29,052
Speaker 2: and bedside tables will move out with them, and anything

1954
01:34:29,053 --> 01:34:31,412
Speaker 2: else they would need will help them find it. If

1955
01:34:31,452 --> 01:34:33,772
Speaker 2: they don't want it or move overseas, they can sell

1956
01:34:33,812 --> 01:34:36,213
Speaker 2: it and pay for the move. It's an investment and

1957
01:34:36,293 --> 01:34:36,852
Speaker 2: an asset.

1958
01:34:37,293 --> 01:34:40,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, great techs great key with that person. Well got

1959
01:34:41,013 --> 01:34:42,972
Speaker 3: the headlines, hold on our tail. When we come back,

1960
01:34:43,013 --> 01:34:44,732
Speaker 3: we have a chat with Stewart and he's had a

1961
01:34:44,772 --> 01:34:48,893
Speaker 3: thirty year journey with IKEA thirty years. It's a long relationship.

1962
01:34:48,973 --> 01:34:52,253
Speaker 2: Well, you wouldn't say he's on the fb b W,

1963
01:34:52,253 --> 01:34:53,852
Speaker 2: would you. No, he said he's got on the bandwagon.

1964
01:34:53,893 --> 01:34:56,293
Speaker 2: He's not bound the Flatpac bandwagon. He's in for life.

1965
01:34:56,372 --> 01:34:57,492
Speaker 3: Headline's coming up.

1966
01:34:59,532 --> 01:35:03,053
Speaker 12: Us talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1967
01:35:03,093 --> 01:35:07,012
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. NCTA is halting six

1968
01:35:07,133 --> 01:35:11,133
Speaker 12: million dollars funded to police while seeking assurance data on

1969
01:35:11,213 --> 01:35:14,852
Speaker 12: breath test screening and other road to activities is accurate.

1970
01:35:15,372 --> 01:35:18,293
Speaker 12: A review last month found about one hundred and twenty

1971
01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:23,053
Speaker 12: police officers falsified or incorrectly recorded tens of thousands of

1972
01:35:23,093 --> 01:35:27,532
Speaker 12: breath tests. Secondary teachers in the PPTA have accepted a

1973
01:35:27,572 --> 01:35:31,293
Speaker 12: government collective agreement that includes a four point six percent

1974
01:35:31,412 --> 01:35:36,253
Speaker 12: pay increase over two years, increased allowances for greater responsibilities,

1975
01:35:36,452 --> 01:35:40,572
Speaker 12: and a professional development fund. Short Haul Air New Zealand

1976
01:35:40,572 --> 01:35:45,132
Speaker 12: cabin crew who haven't yet resolved collective negotiations a moving

1977
01:35:45,253 --> 01:35:48,612
Speaker 12: action planned for next week. That is strike action to

1978
01:35:48,893 --> 01:35:52,892
Speaker 12: December eighteen. Two crew divisions have called off their strike

1979
01:35:53,093 --> 01:35:57,372
Speaker 12: after settling their negotiations. Another six people have been arrested

1980
01:35:57,372 --> 01:36:01,493
Speaker 12: over Hong Kong's massive apartment complex fire last week, suspected

1981
01:36:01,532 --> 01:36:05,812
Speaker 12: of deactivating fire alarms during maintenance work. The death toll

1982
01:36:05,853 --> 01:36:09,012
Speaker 12: now sits at one hundred and fifty nine, and christ

1983
01:36:09,053 --> 01:36:11,932
Speaker 12: Church is getting an Eagle helicopter for two months to

1984
01:36:11,933 --> 01:36:16,372
Speaker 12: help target and disrupt a spike in youth crime. Retiree

1985
01:36:16,412 --> 01:36:20,253
Speaker 12: fears twenty six thousand dollars gold bar lost as ex

1986
01:36:20,333 --> 01:36:24,053
Speaker 12: counselor's firm collapses. You can find out more at NZ

1987
01:36:24,173 --> 01:36:27,532
Speaker 12: Herald Premium. Back to matt Eth and Tyler Adams.

1988
01:36:27,013 --> 01:36:29,972
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for ey Lean so ikea grand

1989
01:36:30,013 --> 01:36:32,412
Speaker 3: opening today in Auckland. A lot of people were fizzed

1990
01:36:32,492 --> 01:36:35,373
Speaker 3: up by it. But we're talking about flat pack furniture.

1991
01:36:35,853 --> 01:36:37,253
Speaker 3: Is it all just a bit of a have and

1992
01:36:37,293 --> 01:36:40,212
Speaker 3: we need to go back to genuine, good old generational furniture.

1993
01:36:40,372 --> 01:36:43,253
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I bought a handcrafted solid oak bookcase off

1994
01:36:43,293 --> 01:36:45,812
Speaker 2: trade Me for four hundred dollars. It is nearly seven

1995
01:36:45,853 --> 01:36:47,692
Speaker 2: feet tall and took four of us to get it

1996
01:36:47,692 --> 01:36:50,732
Speaker 2: into my TV lounge. It is beautiful, my favorite piece

1997
01:36:50,772 --> 01:36:52,893
Speaker 2: of furniture. I also have a tall cabinet. That is

1998
01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:56,852
Speaker 2: Queensland Department of Education standard classroom issue furniture circa eighteen

1999
01:36:56,893 --> 01:37:00,293
Speaker 2: seventy while that I got in Queensland garat sale for

2000
01:37:00,372 --> 01:37:03,692
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars. There you go, Thank you, Steve. He's

2001
01:37:03,772 --> 01:37:07,852
Speaker 2: not on the on the fb FP b.

2002
01:37:08,133 --> 01:37:11,333
Speaker 3: Our the flat pack back latch.

2003
01:37:11,213 --> 01:37:13,173
Speaker 2: No, the FA No he's no, he's not on the Sorry,

2004
01:37:13,173 --> 01:37:16,173
Speaker 2: he's not on the flat pack bandwig if b if

2005
01:37:16,492 --> 01:37:17,333
Speaker 2: if PBW.

2006
01:37:17,492 --> 01:37:20,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just writing it down. So I remember, Stuart,

2007
01:37:20,732 --> 01:37:22,892
Speaker 3: we mentioned you before, but you've hit a thirty year

2008
01:37:22,933 --> 01:37:24,132
Speaker 3: relationship with Ikea.

2009
01:37:25,372 --> 01:37:29,492
Speaker 19: Yeah, good afternoon lads. I've had thirty years of buying

2010
01:37:29,652 --> 01:37:33,173
Speaker 19: and crying over Ikea flat pack. So I thought i'd

2011
01:37:33,452 --> 01:37:36,732
Speaker 19: give you guys my sage advice for my Kiwi people.

2012
01:37:37,412 --> 01:37:39,732
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the why. Your accident just makes

2013
01:37:39,772 --> 01:37:42,172
Speaker 2: me feel like there's going to be some deep wisdom

2014
01:37:42,333 --> 01:37:44,612
Speaker 2: in what you're about to say, Stuart, So I'm going

2015
01:37:44,652 --> 01:37:45,412
Speaker 2: to listen untinely.

2016
01:37:46,452 --> 01:37:50,093
Speaker 19: I've definitely been accused of deep wisdom before. But to

2017
01:37:50,293 --> 01:37:53,532
Speaker 19: my Kiwi people, first thing I want to advise you

2018
01:37:53,612 --> 01:37:57,853
Speaker 19: to is to only buy the genuine wood based Ikea products.

2019
01:37:57,973 --> 01:38:00,892
Speaker 19: Do not buy the particle board or the MDF. I

2020
01:38:00,933 --> 01:38:02,732
Speaker 19: did hear that. One of the things that you guys

2021
01:38:02,732 --> 01:38:06,893
Speaker 19: were saying was to try and use your Kiwi ingenuity.

2022
01:38:06,973 --> 01:38:07,333
Speaker 13: What is that?

2023
01:38:07,372 --> 01:38:10,652
Speaker 19: A piece of wires something like that and put stuff

2024
01:38:10,692 --> 01:38:13,973
Speaker 19: back together again. Another piece of advice on buying and

2025
01:38:14,253 --> 01:38:16,933
Speaker 19: assembling Ikia products is if you ever get to a

2026
01:38:16,973 --> 01:38:19,133
Speaker 19: moment where you're like, gee, that seems a little too

2027
01:38:19,213 --> 01:38:21,452
Speaker 19: hard to screw, it is too hard. You have the

2028
01:38:21,492 --> 01:38:24,972
Speaker 19: wrong screw. So that's my first piece of advice there.

2029
01:38:25,173 --> 01:38:28,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if it's not working, you're moving in the

2030
01:38:28,772 --> 01:38:30,093
Speaker 2: wrong duration is what you.

2031
01:38:30,093 --> 01:38:33,812
Speaker 19: Sign that That is absolutely correct. My second piece of

2032
01:38:33,853 --> 01:38:38,412
Speaker 19: advice to shop happily at the Kia market is to

2033
01:38:38,933 --> 01:38:43,692
Speaker 19: always focus on one line of the Kia furniture to buy. So,

2034
01:38:43,853 --> 01:38:46,772
Speaker 19: for example, I would always buy the KIEVC line ki

2035
01:38:46,933 --> 01:38:49,973
Speaker 19: v I k QUIEVEC line, and in doing so I

2036
01:38:49,973 --> 01:38:54,253
Speaker 19: would be able to scan like the Facebook marketplace, the ebays,

2037
01:38:54,452 --> 01:38:56,932
Speaker 19: I could always find people that had had had it

2038
01:38:56,973 --> 01:39:00,012
Speaker 19: with their Akia furniture. But if you just put in KIEVC,

2039
01:39:00,093 --> 01:39:02,612
Speaker 19: and let's say you put in KIEVK charcoal, then you

2040
01:39:02,652 --> 01:39:05,692
Speaker 19: get a whole range of KIEVC charcoal things. Now I'm

2041
01:39:05,692 --> 01:39:08,053
Speaker 19: not talking about today because it's just open today, but

2042
01:39:08,093 --> 01:39:10,213
Speaker 19: let's in a year, two years, three years from na,

2043
01:39:10,333 --> 01:39:12,772
Speaker 19: So focus on one line. The other ones that are

2044
01:39:12,772 --> 01:39:15,412
Speaker 19: pretty good are poeang is a good one for the chairs.

2045
01:39:15,973 --> 01:39:18,612
Speaker 19: I always had Mom for my storage, and I also

2046
01:39:18,692 --> 01:39:23,852
Speaker 19: had Hemness for my beds, but mainly Kivk Mom and Hemness.

2047
01:39:23,933 --> 01:39:25,012
Speaker 19: Does that make sense, lads?

2048
01:39:25,412 --> 01:39:29,412
Speaker 2: So is Kivek? Is it just the cushions, the sort

2049
01:39:29,452 --> 01:39:31,892
Speaker 2: of fim and polysta stuff or what was Kivet?

2050
01:39:32,973 --> 01:39:35,933
Speaker 19: So a Kivek is basically it's like the pattern on

2051
01:39:36,053 --> 01:39:39,052
Speaker 19: the furniture itself, and it's the style of the furniture.

2052
01:39:39,772 --> 01:39:43,293
Speaker 19: If you buy a Kivek armchair, if you buy a

2053
01:39:43,333 --> 01:39:45,492
Speaker 19: Kivet couch, if you buy a Qievech love seat, if

2054
01:39:45,532 --> 01:39:48,773
Speaker 19: you buy uh, you know, quevec book rest, they all

2055
01:39:48,772 --> 01:39:52,652
Speaker 19: have the same similar styles so you can find those things.

2056
01:39:52,692 --> 01:39:55,932
Speaker 19: So try and not buy a multiplicity of different styles

2057
01:39:55,933 --> 01:39:58,852
Speaker 19: because that basically never works at all.

2058
01:39:58,893 --> 01:40:00,892
Speaker 2: Tell you what, Stuart, you sounded like you were going

2059
01:40:00,933 --> 01:40:02,932
Speaker 2: to deliver some deep wisdom and I believe that you

2060
01:40:03,013 --> 01:40:04,452
Speaker 2: have and I appreciate that.

2061
01:40:04,532 --> 01:40:05,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to help a lot of people.

2062
01:40:05,933 --> 01:40:09,852
Speaker 19: Should absolutely and absolutely good good luck New Zealand people

2063
01:40:09,893 --> 01:40:12,452
Speaker 19: with thank you. I always get those sales, and good on.

2064
01:40:12,372 --> 01:40:15,133
Speaker 3: You lads, good on your Stewart. Thank you. What a

2065
01:40:15,173 --> 01:40:17,732
Speaker 3: beautiful accent. Isn't that like slipping into a barrel of

2066
01:40:17,732 --> 01:40:19,892
Speaker 3: age whiskey? Just makes you feel at ease, doesn't it.

2067
01:40:22,093 --> 01:40:23,732
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty to eighty's a number to

2068
01:40:23,772 --> 01:40:25,572
Speaker 3: call if you want to send. It takes nine to

2069
01:40:25,692 --> 01:40:27,612
Speaker 3: nine to two. We're a bit late here, so we'll

2070
01:40:27,612 --> 01:40:30,093
Speaker 3: play some messages and we have a chat with Dave

2071
01:40:30,213 --> 01:40:32,133
Speaker 3: nixt He's a furniture maker, so he's got a lot

2072
01:40:32,133 --> 01:40:33,812
Speaker 3: to say about the old flat pack furniture.

2073
01:40:33,973 --> 01:40:36,133
Speaker 2: This six says, what if I told you your real

2074
01:40:36,133 --> 01:40:40,212
Speaker 2: wood furniture is actually veneered joint wood glued over MDF

2075
01:40:40,333 --> 01:40:43,293
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, right, Okay, I'm gonna go home

2076
01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:46,053
Speaker 2: and I'm going to drill into that family cabinet I've

2077
01:40:46,053 --> 01:40:49,772
Speaker 2: had for three generations and check that out.

2078
01:40:51,532 --> 01:40:54,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

2079
01:40:54,812 --> 01:40:57,213
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

2080
01:40:57,253 --> 01:40:59,173
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

2081
01:40:59,173 --> 01:41:01,933
Speaker 3: They be for a good afternoon. It is eighteen to

2082
01:41:02,293 --> 01:41:07,333
Speaker 3: four So are you a flat pack bandwagoner or are

2083
01:41:07,372 --> 01:41:10,772
Speaker 3: you on the flat pack backlashowight undred eighteen eighty Dave,

2084
01:41:10,893 --> 01:41:11,612
Speaker 3: you make finisher?

2085
01:41:13,093 --> 01:41:14,732
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've pretty well. I've done it most of my

2086
01:41:14,812 --> 01:41:16,972
Speaker 7: life professionally as a hobby.

2087
01:41:17,532 --> 01:41:19,492
Speaker 2: As a hobby as how much.

2088
01:41:20,333 --> 01:41:21,972
Speaker 7: I've done it as and orders as well.

2089
01:41:22,412 --> 01:41:24,452
Speaker 2: Right, how much of the finished in your house is

2090
01:41:24,452 --> 01:41:26,492
Speaker 2: made by you, Dave not.

2091
01:41:28,692 --> 01:41:31,173
Speaker 7: I've been a builder most of my life, and what

2092
01:41:31,333 --> 01:41:33,892
Speaker 7: I used to get really changed off is how much

2093
01:41:33,933 --> 01:41:39,133
Speaker 7: went into jumbo bons of perfectly good timber. So I

2094
01:41:39,213 --> 01:41:41,372
Speaker 7: sort of nearly got myself in trouble there for a

2095
01:41:41,372 --> 01:41:44,133
Speaker 7: while because I was thinking so much him and got ridiculous,

2096
01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:46,812
Speaker 7: and you know, I had to go to work, So

2097
01:41:47,013 --> 01:41:49,973
Speaker 7: the time of to put aside to make stuff was

2098
01:41:50,013 --> 01:41:52,173
Speaker 7: weekends only, and I ended up with quite a bit

2099
01:41:52,173 --> 01:41:54,173
Speaker 7: of a vess dumpster.

2100
01:41:53,893 --> 01:41:54,812
Speaker 3: Diving for wood day.

2101
01:41:55,812 --> 01:42:01,692
Speaker 7: Yeah damn yeah, but I've made all sorts. One job

2102
01:42:01,933 --> 01:42:05,052
Speaker 7: that we did, we had vertical weather boards out of cedar,

2103
01:42:05,452 --> 01:42:09,732
Speaker 7: a beautiful cedar, you know, and the way the boards

2104
01:42:09,893 --> 01:42:13,492
Speaker 7: came in at six meters long or six point one, well,

2105
01:42:13,572 --> 01:42:17,213
Speaker 7: there was nineteen hundred off cats of brand new wood

2106
01:42:17,293 --> 01:42:20,133
Speaker 7: or throw told to throw in the jumbo bit and

2107
01:42:20,173 --> 01:42:23,652
Speaker 7: there was like three hundred of them. There was no

2108
01:42:23,692 --> 01:42:24,333
Speaker 7: way I could do that.

2109
01:42:25,093 --> 01:42:28,652
Speaker 2: So what you're saying, you're holding a lot of wood

2110
01:42:28,652 --> 01:42:29,972
Speaker 2: at your house. Is that what you're saying, Dave?

2111
01:42:30,213 --> 01:42:35,812
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, but I've just shifted lately,

2112
01:42:35,893 --> 01:42:38,013
Speaker 7: so I've had to actually dump a whole lot of it,

2113
01:42:38,053 --> 01:42:41,932
Speaker 7: which annoyed me. But I've made hates of stuff out

2114
01:42:41,973 --> 01:42:44,293
Speaker 7: of the cedar comes up unreal. I've made, you know,

2115
01:42:44,772 --> 01:42:49,452
Speaker 7: jewelry boxes, to storage boxes, to chess you know, like

2116
01:42:49,572 --> 01:42:52,253
Speaker 7: camp for chests and big ones, small ones, you name it.

2117
01:42:52,293 --> 01:42:55,612
Speaker 7: I've made also, something, made hats, dresses, of there's nothing

2118
01:42:55,652 --> 01:42:57,492
Speaker 7: I can't make. I've made walking sticks and made a

2119
01:42:57,532 --> 01:42:58,853
Speaker 7: guitar just like that.

2120
01:42:59,053 --> 01:43:00,893
Speaker 2: Have you ever put together any flat pecks?

2121
01:43:02,013 --> 01:43:05,412
Speaker 7: Yes? And I hate the damn things on your hate line.

2122
01:43:06,213 --> 01:43:11,893
Speaker 2: So but your your skill, carpenter. Do you struggle to

2123
01:43:12,612 --> 01:43:14,812
Speaker 2: the flat pack? Does it annoy you the instructions? Do

2124
01:43:14,893 --> 01:43:17,933
Speaker 2: you just break away and put it together yourself on

2125
01:43:17,973 --> 01:43:19,012
Speaker 2: your own and your own path.

2126
01:43:20,213 --> 01:43:23,093
Speaker 7: It is common sense, but even common sense doesn't work out.

2127
01:43:23,093 --> 01:43:27,372
Speaker 7: Some of those flat pack instructions, they don't actually explain

2128
01:43:27,412 --> 01:43:30,732
Speaker 7: what they are. But the guy earlier was saying about

2129
01:43:31,452 --> 01:43:34,212
Speaker 7: the backing come off, and well, that is a strength

2130
01:43:34,372 --> 01:43:36,812
Speaker 7: of one of those big cabinets. And a lot of

2131
01:43:36,812 --> 01:43:38,812
Speaker 7: the time they give you a piece of plastic to

2132
01:43:38,853 --> 01:43:40,652
Speaker 7: go in the middle of it and you push it

2133
01:43:40,692 --> 01:43:43,572
Speaker 7: together like a t section you to hold the back on,

2134
01:43:44,253 --> 01:43:48,492
Speaker 7: and that actually holds your cabinet square and plumb and everything.

2135
01:43:48,532 --> 01:43:53,052
Speaker 7: You know, they come off. They give you these little

2136
01:43:53,173 --> 01:43:55,333
Speaker 7: nails to naw that too, and your flat peck and

2137
01:43:55,333 --> 01:43:58,093
Speaker 7: I never last and a minute you pick it up

2138
01:43:58,133 --> 01:43:59,652
Speaker 7: to move it, that's She's all over.

2139
01:44:00,133 --> 01:44:01,932
Speaker 2: It all comes down to the back or Dave, good

2140
01:44:02,013 --> 01:44:05,733
Speaker 2: luck with all the wood piled up at your house. Adriana,

2141
01:44:05,812 --> 01:44:08,133
Speaker 2: welcome the show you're stoked about. I care you're on

2142
01:44:08,173 --> 01:44:11,532
Speaker 2: the theb FPBW.

2143
01:44:12,933 --> 01:44:14,253
Speaker 18: Yes, I certainly am.

2144
01:44:14,492 --> 01:44:14,972
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2145
01:44:15,053 --> 01:44:18,852
Speaker 18: I've lived overseas for thirty years and every country I've

2146
01:44:18,893 --> 01:44:23,133
Speaker 18: been in has had an ICA. And it's it's not

2147
01:44:23,372 --> 01:44:26,933
Speaker 18: it's an experience. When you go shopping, honestly, you go

2148
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Speaker 18: through the showrooms, you see what your house could potentially

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01:44:30,412 --> 01:44:35,333
Speaker 18: look like. You've got these signature linens and like the

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01:44:35,372 --> 01:44:39,253
Speaker 18: other gentlemen said, these different lines and stuff that you recognize.

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01:44:39,572 --> 01:44:42,173
Speaker 18: So I'd moved from country to country, and I'd buy

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01:44:42,612 --> 01:44:45,212
Speaker 18: everything from i Caia and then when I leave the country,

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01:44:45,293 --> 01:44:48,892
Speaker 18: I'd give all the stuff away because it's cheap. And

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01:44:48,933 --> 01:44:51,972
Speaker 18: then I moved from England to Egypt. They had an ica,

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01:44:52,093 --> 01:44:54,933
Speaker 18: so I stopped up again on the same stuff and

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01:44:55,013 --> 01:44:57,213
Speaker 18: did the same thing a couple of years later to

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01:44:57,372 --> 01:45:00,372
Speaker 18: Malaysia Indonesia, and then I got here and I had

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Speaker 18: to go to kmart.

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Speaker 3: Now what dorade two years too late?

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01:45:06,492 --> 01:45:08,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're gonna have You're gonna have found all

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01:45:08,492 --> 01:45:10,492
Speaker 2: that particle board stuff and head out to i Q

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01:45:10,732 --> 01:45:11,173
Speaker 2: and place it.

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01:45:13,053 --> 01:45:15,293
Speaker 18: He's right, that other gingle women's right. You get the

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01:45:15,372 --> 01:45:19,412
Speaker 18: quality woods, you don't get the particle board. But yeah, honestly,

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01:45:19,492 --> 01:45:21,173
Speaker 18: you've got to go to the cafe. You've got to

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01:45:21,173 --> 01:45:24,612
Speaker 18: have the Swedish meat balls. And then you go through

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01:45:24,692 --> 01:45:27,532
Speaker 18: and you see in the showrooms what you want to take.

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Speaker 18: At the end, you've got a queue for ages at

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01:45:29,692 --> 01:45:32,492
Speaker 18: the end. It's part of the experience. And then you've

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Speaker 18: got to get your tea lights and your link roller.

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Speaker 3: The tea lights you need to do. Are they know

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01:45:37,612 --> 01:45:39,772
Speaker 3: one for the tea lights? Are they?

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01:45:40,572 --> 01:45:40,812
Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: I don't know what it is, but they'll have the

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Speaker 18: tea lights and a lint roller. While you're waiting in

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01:45:45,372 --> 01:45:48,293
Speaker 18: the queue and everyone sees You're like, yeah, I might

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01:45:48,372 --> 01:45:50,972
Speaker 18: need those, even if you don't have tea lights at home.

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01:45:51,013 --> 01:45:53,572
Speaker 18: Normally you'd be like, I better get a packet twelve

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01:45:53,652 --> 01:45:54,293
Speaker 18: tea lights.

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01:45:54,333 --> 01:45:57,013
Speaker 2: What about what about the garlic you what about the

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01:45:57,053 --> 01:45:59,932
Speaker 2: garlic clus crusher. We're getting a few people of ike.

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01:46:00,173 --> 01:46:02,253
Speaker 2: Garlic friss is what you want, and the potato peelas

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01:46:02,372 --> 01:46:02,812
Speaker 2: to die for.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, definitely see signatures. They've got signature products in there

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01:46:11,333 --> 01:46:14,173
Speaker 18: that people will be going in and asking for. You've

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01:46:14,173 --> 01:46:16,812
Speaker 18: got to get your billy bookcase from there. Everybody knows

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01:46:17,173 --> 01:46:20,333
Speaker 18: a billy bookcase around the world, and lucky enough now

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01:46:20,492 --> 01:46:23,093
Speaker 18: New Zealand will be part of that.

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01:46:23,253 --> 01:46:25,372
Speaker 2: Oh well, welcome to the party in New Zealand.

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01:46:25,692 --> 01:46:26,012
Speaker 3: Craig.

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Speaker 2: You're you're starting a business doing flat packs for people

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Speaker 2: as the correct Yeah.

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01:46:31,652 --> 01:46:34,652
Speaker 9: Look, this is something that I've still looked at it

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01:46:34,652 --> 01:46:38,972
Speaker 9: for a little while. I kind of think Ikia brings

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01:46:38,973 --> 01:46:41,012
Speaker 9: it to another level though. I've got to be honest,

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01:46:42,572 --> 01:46:48,892
Speaker 9: I care quality is pretty good. So we've all had

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01:46:49,213 --> 01:46:52,492
Speaker 9: really bad instructions and really really bad Chinese furniture that

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01:46:52,492 --> 01:46:56,732
Speaker 9: we're trying to put together and nothing fits, and you

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01:46:56,772 --> 01:47:01,293
Speaker 9: can't even really understand the instruction particularly well. I can't

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01:47:01,293 --> 01:47:05,652
Speaker 9: do it do do it really well. But I do

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01:47:05,893 --> 01:47:12,213
Speaker 9: kind of think that sometimes it's not necessarily about putting

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01:47:12,253 --> 01:47:15,852
Speaker 9: it together yourself. Maybe you should pay somebody to put

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01:47:15,853 --> 01:47:19,173
Speaker 9: it together properly, and if something's not working properly, they

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01:47:19,213 --> 01:47:21,412
Speaker 9: can solve it anyhow.

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01:47:21,452 --> 01:47:22,973
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a few people are teaching through that

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01:47:23,412 --> 01:47:26,333
Speaker 2: basically is divorce material. Trying to put together a flat

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01:47:26,333 --> 01:47:27,372
Speaker 2: pack with your partner.

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01:47:27,692 --> 01:47:29,372
Speaker 3: It's a lot of yellow hell, a lot of crying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So my wife's Chinese, right, so we've got a

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01:47:34,973 --> 01:47:40,293
Speaker 9: few Chinese products. They was pretty much divorced material. Her

2212
01:47:40,372 --> 01:47:42,892
Speaker 9: trying to explain to me how to put them together

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01:47:43,893 --> 01:47:48,732
Speaker 9: from the Chinese instructions that didn't even remotely resemble the

2214
01:47:49,812 --> 01:47:53,892
Speaker 9: English instructions. But I've kind of worked at like I

2215
01:47:53,933 --> 01:47:56,892
Speaker 9: come from a construction background, and one of the things

2216
01:47:56,933 --> 01:48:00,852
Speaker 9: I've worked out Stuart who was talking earlier, it was

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01:48:00,973 --> 01:48:04,173
Speaker 9: really onto it like there's different qualities in what you get.

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01:48:04,732 --> 01:48:07,612
Speaker 9: And there was also the boat builder who spoke about

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01:48:07,652 --> 01:48:12,172
Speaker 9: the backing. Yeah and okay, so one of the things

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01:48:12,253 --> 01:48:15,532
Speaker 9: for everybody that I think is actually a really important

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01:48:15,532 --> 01:48:18,412
Speaker 9: part to understand. When you're putting this stuff together, there's

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01:48:18,572 --> 01:48:22,492
Speaker 9: light face down, not not not to look at it

2223
01:48:22,532 --> 01:48:29,293
Speaker 9: from the front. So when you construct a pack like this,

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01:48:29,452 --> 01:48:32,173
Speaker 9: like a bookcase or something, you put it together and

2225
01:48:32,213 --> 01:48:36,173
Speaker 9: then the backing plate that goes in is what creates

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01:48:36,572 --> 01:48:38,333
Speaker 9: square level square.

2227
01:48:38,253 --> 01:48:40,932
Speaker 2: Right, would you ever reinforce that, you know, using out

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01:48:41,492 --> 01:48:44,173
Speaker 2: things outside of the what's come in the box?

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01:48:45,612 --> 01:48:49,932
Speaker 9: Yeah, you do need you do need a square. So

2230
01:48:50,053 --> 01:48:52,812
Speaker 9: if you put it all together and stand it up,

2231
01:48:52,893 --> 01:48:57,452
Speaker 9: it's probably not going to be square because it wasn't

2232
01:48:57,532 --> 01:48:59,173
Speaker 9: made to be if you know what I mean, Like

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01:48:59,213 --> 01:49:04,772
Speaker 9: it's they are relying on. If you look at like Kia, right,

2234
01:49:05,093 --> 01:49:09,932
Speaker 9: a country that's pretty onto it, Yeah, good looking people,

2235
01:49:10,053 --> 01:49:12,892
Speaker 9: they are going to be using levels and squeeze and

2236
01:49:12,893 --> 01:49:15,572
Speaker 9: things when they put them together. So if you're trying

2237
01:49:15,572 --> 01:49:17,572
Speaker 9: to put it up in a in a like a

2238
01:49:17,612 --> 01:49:22,372
Speaker 9: bit of a Kiwi mindset, it it.

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01:49:22,333 --> 01:49:23,732
Speaker 5: Might not be that break down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:49:24,412 --> 01:49:26,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you started this company or you're thinking about

2242
01:49:26,812 --> 01:49:28,253
Speaker 2: starting the company? Do you have a name yet?

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01:49:29,133 --> 01:49:31,932
Speaker 9: It's something we've talked about for a little while and

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01:49:32,213 --> 01:49:36,133
Speaker 9: it has raised its head, and I was looking at

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01:49:36,412 --> 01:49:39,253
Speaker 9: a company like six and seven weeks ago there was

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01:49:39,293 --> 01:49:42,652
Speaker 9: advertising for guys to actually start doing this.

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01:49:43,293 --> 01:49:45,572
Speaker 2: Well, well, if you do, we've we've got to go, Craig.

2248
01:49:45,612 --> 01:49:48,013
Speaker 2: But if you do, ring back and we'll give you

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01:49:48,053 --> 01:49:49,372
Speaker 2: a plug when you get a name and such.

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Speaker 3: Definitely good on you, Craig right, one hundred and eighty

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01:49:52,893 --> 01:49:54,333
Speaker 3: ten eighty so number of coour We're going to play

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01:49:54,372 --> 01:49:57,013
Speaker 3: some messages though first, and it is nine minutes to

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01:49:57,053 --> 01:49:58,452
Speaker 3: four the.

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01:49:58,293 --> 01:50:02,212
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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01:50:02,253 --> 01:50:06,253
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it'd.

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Speaker 3: Be it is six to For Jimmy, we've got about

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01:50:09,853 --> 01:50:12,213
Speaker 3: sixty seconds. But you've got some top tips for the

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01:50:12,253 --> 01:50:12,973
Speaker 3: old flat.

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01:50:12,732 --> 01:50:16,213
Speaker 20: Pack, so I heard the buddy, look, I'll keep up quick.

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01:50:16,253 --> 01:50:21,372
Speaker 20: Then having teenage kids flat pecks coming pretty handy. Top

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01:50:21,452 --> 01:50:24,213
Speaker 20: tip you spend probably one hundred bucks by in the

2262
01:50:24,253 --> 01:50:27,412
Speaker 20: furnace to spend another five or ten and buy some glue.

2263
01:50:27,973 --> 01:50:32,973
Speaker 20: Use the glue on all of the screw bits, the owls,

2264
01:50:33,133 --> 01:50:37,013
Speaker 20: the joins, those plastic fiddly bits, and it'll just reinforce

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01:50:37,093 --> 01:50:41,372
Speaker 20: the whole thing. So a bit of PVA glue from

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01:50:41,412 --> 01:50:46,612
Speaker 20: mind to ten or liquid nails, and yeah, man makes

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01:50:46,652 --> 01:50:48,292
Speaker 20: the whole thing a whole lot stronger.

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01:50:49,692 --> 01:50:51,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting a few people saying that the speciesis

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01:50:51,652 --> 01:50:53,372
Speaker 2: if you can't put a flat pack together, you're not

2270
01:50:53,452 --> 01:50:57,412
Speaker 2: a bloke. But Greg also agrees glue. As you go

2271
01:50:57,492 --> 01:51:00,172
Speaker 2: to get some glue in there, smear it everywhere.

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01:51:00,253 --> 01:51:01,253
Speaker 3: PVA all the way.

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01:51:01,893 --> 01:51:06,093
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for all your calls. I'm

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01:51:06,093 --> 01:51:08,812
Speaker 2: still on the flat pack backlash. I mean there's been

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01:51:08,853 --> 01:51:11,933
Speaker 2: a lot of full, full throated support for the flatbacks,

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01:51:12,452 --> 01:51:15,852
Speaker 2: tips around the back, but also so many people whose

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01:51:16,173 --> 01:51:18,852
Speaker 2: marriages have ended trying to put together flat packs. Yes,

2278
01:51:19,772 --> 01:51:23,692
Speaker 2: appreciate everyone's thoughts, but and look, I love the flat

2279
01:51:23,772 --> 01:51:26,412
Speaker 2: week flatpac bandwagon for you if you're on it, But

2280
01:51:26,452 --> 01:51:27,892
Speaker 2: I'm still on the flat pack back lash.

2281
01:51:28,293 --> 01:51:30,692
Speaker 3: Generational furniture real word, where you.

2282
01:51:30,612 --> 01:51:34,773
Speaker 2: Can get it, I say, go secondhand bespoke, generational generational

2283
01:51:34,772 --> 01:51:38,173
Speaker 2: furniture for the water. All right, how Heather duper c

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01:51:38,293 --> 01:51:40,612
Speaker 2: Ellen is up next. She's definitely not the particle board

2285
01:51:40,652 --> 01:51:43,612
Speaker 2: of New Zealand Broadcasting, more like a generational piece of

2286
01:51:43,692 --> 01:51:46,333
Speaker 2: quality bespoke remove forecasting.

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01:51:46,452 --> 01:51:48,612
Speaker 3: That is beautifully said, mate, Tyler, why would I be

2288
01:51:48,652 --> 01:51:53,172
Speaker 3: playing this song? I got no idea is this Crosby

2289
01:51:53,213 --> 01:51:53,812
Speaker 3: and Nash.

2290
01:51:54,053 --> 01:51:57,013
Speaker 2: Crosby, Stills and Nash. You teach your children well, you know,

2291
01:51:58,013 --> 01:52:00,572
Speaker 2: they may ban social media front of sixteens, but in

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01:52:00,572 --> 01:52:03,173
Speaker 2: the end, the government can't save your kids. You've got

2293
01:52:03,213 --> 01:52:04,812
Speaker 2: to You've got to save him yourself.

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01:52:05,053 --> 01:52:05,372
Speaker 3: You got to.

2295
01:52:05,692 --> 01:52:09,212
Speaker 2: You got to teach him well, whatever it is, online, whatever,

2296
01:52:09,333 --> 01:52:10,972
Speaker 2: every part of life. You have to make your kids

2297
01:52:11,013 --> 01:52:12,452
Speaker 2: competent for the world they're going into.

2298
01:52:12,492 --> 01:52:15,652
Speaker 3: In my humble opinion, what a beautiful song as well.

2299
01:52:15,973 --> 01:52:19,372
Speaker 2: Anyway you've seen Busy said, We'll let you go until

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01:52:19,412 --> 01:52:21,692
Speaker 2: tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste of Kiwi from.

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01:52:21,612 --> 01:52:22,732
Speaker 3: Tyler and I Love you.

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01:52:24,333 --> 01:52:25,452
Speaker 9: They've won your.

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01:52:25,452 --> 01:52:28,732
Speaker 2: Dream, the one may bit.

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01:52:35,692 --> 01:52:36,452
Speaker 21: Don't you have.

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01:52:39,173 --> 01:52:39,213
Speaker 15: It?

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01:52:39,612 --> 01:52:40,253
Speaker 12: Don't you?

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01:52:40,572 --> 01:53:08,333
Speaker 21: Good guy? So just look at them.

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