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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. David

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Speaker 3: Seymour on the money going to the cancer drugs, Nichola

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Speaker 3: Willis on what she's going to do to fix that

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Speaker 3: fairy situation. Our reporter in court for Goalris Garum and sentencing,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to go to La. We've got an

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Speaker 3: entertainment report of Shaw Mandel to talk us through that

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Speaker 3: new Hollywood movie about just sindar dern.

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Speaker 1: Ether duplicy Ellen, be under.

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Speaker 3: No illusion about today. When that ferry ran onto that

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Speaker 3: sand on Friday night, that became a massive problem for

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Speaker 3: the person who I reckon is probably National's biggest asset

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Speaker 3: at the moment, and that's Nichola Willis. Because Nichola canceled

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Speaker 3: the Fairies, didn't she? So this is going to be

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Speaker 3: on her now. I'm not arguing about Nicholas's decision to

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Speaker 3: cancel the Fairies. I actually think she made the right

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Speaker 3: call because those things were silly. I mean it seemed

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Speaker 3: to me that the thinking behind buying them came out

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Speaker 3: of a stupid idea, which was, you need these big

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Speaker 3: fairies so that you can drive a train onto them

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Speaker 3: and then ship the entire thing to another island and

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Speaker 3: then drive it off again at the other side. Now,

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Speaker 3: think about how much redundant metal there is in a train,

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Speaker 3: just how heavy a train is before you even start

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Speaker 3: loading it up. Now you're putting that on a boat,

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Speaker 3: and then you're paying the fuel bill to get it

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Speaker 3: across the cook straight. That stupid. I mean, surely, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna take a bit more mantower, but you're better

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Speaker 3: off unloading the thing on one side and then reloading

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Speaker 3: another one on the other end. But regardless and regardless

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Speaker 3: of whether the right call was made, Nikola Willis made

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Speaker 3: mistake was that when she canceled the fairies, she didn't

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Speaker 3: provide an alternative. You cannot cancel fairies that we desperately

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Speaker 3: need without replacing them with other fairies, because we still

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Speaker 3: desperately need them, right, And how long have we lost here,

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Speaker 3: like six months or something like that. It seems to

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Speaker 3: me that she's only got one option really here to

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Speaker 3: fix it. She can't go back to buying the old fairies, like,

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Speaker 3: she can't reinstate that contract because that would be that

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Speaker 3: would be basically admitting that she made a mistake first place.

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Speaker 3: She can't buy replacement fairies on the second hand market

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Speaker 3: because apparently they don't exist at the moment. She cannot

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Speaker 3: leave us waiting and without a replacement fairy because the

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Speaker 3: ones that we've already got are already in trouble on

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Speaker 3: the water. I mean, every single one of them now

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Speaker 3: will all be past their use by dates by next year,

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Speaker 3: so seems to me the last option left Nikola is

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Speaker 3: gonna have to buy us new fairies now. I don't

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Speaker 3: know whether that's going to be cheaper than what she

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Speaker 3: just canceled. I don't know how she's gonna do this, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe she can renegotiate the contract with the

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Speaker 3: Koreans for the smaller ones to replace the big ones

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Speaker 3: with the smaller ones, if it's not too late, or

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Speaker 3: maybe she just has to start from scratch and order

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Speaker 3: us new ones and get new ones. But they better

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Speaker 3: be here quick, because those big fairies were due to

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Speaker 3: arrive in two years time. Twenty twenty six, they were

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Speaker 3: going to be here every single day after that. That

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Speaker 3: can legitimately blame every single fairy problem on Nikola Willis.

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Speaker 3: And she's smart enough and nationalist smart enough to both

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Speaker 1: Heather duper CELA nine two nine.

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Speaker 3: Two is the text number standard text fees supply And

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Speaker 3: as I say, she's with us as per usual on

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Speaker 3: few questions about that now. The Chief Children's Commissioner is

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Speaker 3: worried that the government's latest moves to try to stop

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Speaker 3: when they deal with the young serious offenders, and these

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Speaker 3: boot camps et cetera, et cetera. Doctor Claire Akmat is

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Speaker 3: the Chief Children's Commissioners with us. Now, hey, Claire, what

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Speaker 4: Well, actually, foost to uku that I want to start

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Speaker 3: So what are you concerned about? Is it the punishment

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Speaker 4: So what I'm concerned about here is that if we

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Speaker 4: and from a children's right perspective, I have some concerns.

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Speaker 5: About these solicies.

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Speaker 4: So, first of all, when it comes to that young

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Speaker 4: and when it comes to their military style academies. So

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Speaker 4: I want to acknowledge that I've heard some very promising

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Speaker 4: You know, they're committing to a deeper focus on assessment,

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Speaker 4: on mentoring, on better transition support. These are all good

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Speaker 4: through on these promises. But I am concerned about anything

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Speaker 3: Claire, I mean, come on, be realistic about it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you've got a thirteen year old who stabs a

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Speaker 3: sixteen year old to death allegedly, do you think what

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Speaker 3: to move on with their future being labeled a young

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Speaker 4: Again, Heather, I want to acknowledge that it is completely

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Speaker 3: Yes, but so therefore can if they stab Listen, We've

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Speaker 3: just had four kids arrested for stabbing somebody. They're fourteen

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Speaker 3: station in Culado. They should be dealt with like serious

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Speaker 4: They It's important that they are held accountable for their actions.

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Speaker 4: And actually we've already got mechanisms in place that hold

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Speaker 3: The maximum what's the maximum punishment they can get under that?

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Speaker 4: Thinking about maximum punishment actually distracted, No, that's.

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Speaker 3: What I'm asking you. It's my point. What is the

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Speaker 4: We actually have to look at every circumstance on a

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Speaker 3: Quite simply clear they're not getting punished sufficiently. If you

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Speaker 4: I think it's important to recognize here that actually we

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Speaker 4: a young serious offender category, because we know that that's

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Speaker 4: just going to drive children and young people more deeply

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Speaker 4: the economic and social costs, we know that that costs

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Speaker 4: millions to keep someone in prison as an adult. We

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Speaker 4: don't want more children going down that path. That's going

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that we should actually be getting

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Speaker 4: ahead of these issues, focusing on and prevention and early intervention.

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Speaker 4: A social investment approach from the government needs to address

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Speaker 3: You're not going to get any argument out of me

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Speaker 3: on that one, Claire, but I think you have to

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Speaker 3: do both right. You have to have the investment at

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Speaker 3: the front to stop them getting into this place in

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Speaker 3: the first place. But for the ones who do get there,

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Speaker 3: you've got to punish them.

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Speaker 4: Right when it comes to our children. And I really

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying to you, Claire, is.

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Speaker 3: That if my child, if my child children, if my

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that we should not hold children

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Speaker 4: It is showing really positive outcomes. Eighty percent of those

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Speaker 3: All right, Claire, listen, thank you. I do appreciate your

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Speaker 3: time very much. Doctor claikmart the Chief Children's Commissioner. Dear God,

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Speaker 3: there by the grace of God, I just hope my

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Speaker 3: it's called time out. It's as bedroom. I think it's

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Speaker 3: working anyway. Listen, on people having babies, Elon Musk has

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Speaker 3: like he's not even like ninety years old and can

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Speaker 3: what's the guys in his forties and they're like early fifties,

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Speaker 3: This is the third one. And I don't know if

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Speaker 3: weird breeder kink. He reckons he's trying to help the

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Speaker 3: underpopulation crisis in the Western world by lifting the birth

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Speaker 3: rate single handed. The seventeen past four.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant Leap for business.

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Speaker 3: I hat Piney, Hello, Heather, Okay, what are you expecting

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Speaker 3: in the all black squad?

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Speaker 6: I've got five new All Blacks in the thirty two

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Speaker 6: that are going to be named in just over an hour.

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Speaker 6: I guess I've got to I've got to find another hooker.

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Speaker 6: I think Ricky Rictelle's going to be there. Another lock,

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Speaker 6: Sam Dowry, I've got in there, another half back, Cortie

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Speaker 6: I absolutely agree, and I think now it's been proven

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Speaker 3: SportsTalk Coast. We're back at seven o'clock this evening. Heather

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Speaker 3: listening to this tripe. That's not Piney Obviously it was

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Speaker 3: the Chief Children's Commissioner listening to this tripe. It makes

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Speaker 3: it so obvious while we have such an appalling problem

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Speaker 3: that's not the reality. If you have a fourteen year

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Speaker 3: that you do not need a massive intervention. And that's

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Speaker 3: a serious offender right there. Imagine if I'm doing that

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Speaker 2: The man you trust to get the answers you need

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Speaker 3: As they'd be Heather, I just tuned into the back

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Speaker 3: end of that conversation read the boot camps, and I

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Speaker 3: is absolute refusal to punish offenders. We're talking about stabbing

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Speaker 3: a chat about it. On another subject, the government has

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Speaker 3: revealed the worst cap secret which it is. This is

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Speaker 3: how it's going to deal with the Farmac thing, with

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Speaker 3: the thirteen cancer drugs. It's putting an extra six hundred

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Speaker 3: and four million dollars into farm Act buy new cancer drugs.

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Speaker 3: The thirteen drugs are not on the list. Seven of

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Speaker 3: them are. The remainder will be like something else, which

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Speaker 3: fund up to fifty four drugs. Here's Shane Retti.

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Speaker 10: Current farm AC estimates, So around twenty six cancer treatments

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Speaker 10: in twenty other twenty eight other treatments will be funded

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Speaker 10: as a result of the bold new package that we're

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Speaker 3: Now slight problem there. The problem is obviously, and I'm

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Speaker 3: me and I'll explain that to you, and just a

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 2: your car on your drive home? Hither dup to c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

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Speaker 2: news Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hither the problem with the fairies is not their age

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Speaker 3: or some random used by day. They're not made of milk.

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Speaker 3: The problem is incompetent repairs. Classic cars can be maintained

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Speaker 3: of Jesus so much to tell you about the fairy situation.

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Speaker 3: I've got so much to tell you about that anyway,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to get to the farmacts stuff, and

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Speaker 3: just to take Goldz has been back in court today,

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Speaker 3: More than fifteen police officers and a Russian Orthodox priests

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Speaker 11: You know, high unemployment, a lot of economic strain, mass discontent.

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Speaker 12: I've lost count of the number of farmers that I've

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Speaker 3: and finally, a new species of fish discovered in the Amazon.

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Speaker 3: That river has unfortunately for itself, been named after Soron

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Speaker 2: International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Olli Peterson six pr Perth Life Resenters with us ay,

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Speaker 3: Olie get a hit us. So have we got to

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Speaker 13: leave it all. And this was just echoes of bond I.

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Speaker 14: why there was such high anxiety and indeed panic in

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Speaker 14: some cases.

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Speaker 13: So that's the mayor and marian So two teams have

438
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Speaker 13: been arrested after that brawl in the middle of the

439
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Speaker 13: shopping center, was in the food courts, and there was

440
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Speaker 13: a couple of groups of young men involved in this.

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Speaker 13: So thank goodness, it was not what we saw in Bondai. Obviously, Heather,

442
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Speaker 13: you can understand that you go to that length of

443
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Speaker 13: a reaction where you put the place into lockdown and

444
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Speaker 13: you put those flashing messages up on the screens. But

445
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Speaker 13: certainly a very hairy situation for everybody involved is going

446
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Speaker 13: about their business on a Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So the government's really quite serious about having a crack

448
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Speaker 3: at the supermarkets, by the sounds of things.

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Speaker 13: As they say they are, And they could be finding

450
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Speaker 13: these two big major plays ten percent of their turnovers.

451
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Speaker 13: So we're talking here about three and five billion dollar

452
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Speaker 13: fines respectively of Woolworths and Coals. That's if the big

453
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Speaker 13: stick can be used to prove that they are ripping

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Speaker 13: off their supplies. And that's still I feel like the

455
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Speaker 13: big asterisk I put in that. I'm not doubting the

456
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Speaker 13: fact that the code should be mandatory because it was

457
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Speaker 13: a voluntary code beforehand. And you heard Murray, what say

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Speaker 13: they're in the world wise the Federal Agriculture Ministry.

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Speaker 9: You've got small supplies who don't want to.

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Speaker 13: Speak up because they're worried if they do speak up,

461
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Speaker 13: Coals and will say see you later, We're not going

462
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Speaker 13: to do business with you anymore. Now, wagh that up

463
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Speaker 13: because now sure you might blow the whistle and say,

464
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Speaker 13: oh we've been ripped off here, but yes, the company

465
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Speaker 13: might get fined three billion dollars five billion dollars for

466
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Speaker 13: a big wake up call, but are they really going

467
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Speaker 13: to turn around to still do business with you?

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Speaker 2: Heather?

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Speaker 13: I just I like the idea that the policy has

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Speaker 13: changed absolutely, but I'm still very cynical about whether or

471
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Speaker 13: not this is going to work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too right to be cynical. I think we should

473
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Speaker 3: all be a little bit cynical about it. But let's

474
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Speaker 3: have a look at it day and listen. Is there

475
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Speaker 3: a bit of a panic with you people about the

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Speaker 3: eggs at the moment?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, because we've got now about half a dozen different farms,

479
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Speaker 13: particularly in New south I was in Victoria that bird

480
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Speaker 13: flu has been detected and a lot of these birds

481
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Speaker 13: are being obviously destroyed as a result of this. So

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Speaker 13: there's a bit of panic buying going on, particularly in Sydney.

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Speaker 13: So it might not just be about the fact that

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Speaker 13: the mandatory code's coming into the supermarkets.

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Speaker 9: They're designed to stock up on eggs.

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Speaker 13: We're being told to calm the farm, pardon the pun,

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Speaker 13: and to not worry about the fact that the bird

488
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Speaker 13: flu has obviously infected. Some of the shortages in eggs

489
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Speaker 13: supply at the moment, But chickens that are still for

490
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Speaker 13: sale at the moment in supermarket, no problem there. Biosecurity

491
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Speaker 13: is working over time. But of course people hear bird

492
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Speaker 13: flu they think there's going to be a shortage of eggs,

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Speaker 13: instead of listening to the message and saying, oh, I

494
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Speaker 13: just buy them a normal eggs. You know, supply I'm

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Speaker 13: going to go and buy fifty cartons of eggs.

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Speaker 3: Because baking cake exactly yep, for the first time in

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Speaker 3: ten years, suddenly done. Yeah, olie, we all think the same. Hey,

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Speaker 3: thank you, mate, really appreciate it. A's Olli Pederson six

499
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Speaker 3: pr Perth Live present to Barry soap is going to

500
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Speaker 3: be with us and just to take he wants to

501
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Speaker 3: talk to us about the power pylon. You you've caught

502
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Speaker 3: up on that buy now, haven't you? Three hours ago?

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Speaker 3: Oh mate? How much does she earn? Bet one point

504
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Speaker 3: five million dollars Alison andrew A, refusing to talk about

505
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Speaker 3: it's done the press conference. That's all. That's all the

506
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Speaker 3: work you get for one point five million dollars. I

507
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Speaker 3: don't know about you. I earn less money. I'm happy

508
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Speaker 3: to tell you when comes a shock to you, I

509
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Speaker 3: earn less money than one point five million dollars. And

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Speaker 3: if one of my people pulled the bolts out of

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Speaker 3: all three legs, all three legs, not just two three

512
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Speaker 3: of them. I shouldn't say all three. That's not even

513
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Speaker 3: right sentence, because there were four of them. Thank god

514
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Speaker 3: they didn't pull the bolts out of the fourth one

515
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Speaker 3: as well. I thank god there's a bit of science there.

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Speaker 3: But if one of my people did that, I'd be

517
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Speaker 3: turning up in every media interview, wouldn't you, Gauz. I'd

518
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Speaker 3: be like, I've better earn my money today. Not Allison. No,

519
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Speaker 3: Allison's not talking about it anyway. Barry wants to run

520
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Speaker 3: us through all of the details, in the gory details.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna leave that for him. Can I just point

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Speaker 3: this out? Oh, by the way, did you know the

523
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Speaker 3: watermelon thing that Goldriz was wearing on her chest, that's

524
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Speaker 3: a free, free Palestine symbol. I didn't realize. I've got

525
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Speaker 3: a bunch of texts and they were like, you can

526
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Speaker 3: google it, so I had a look and it is.

527
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Speaker 3: It's free Palestine. That's why they wear the watermelon. Why

528
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Speaker 3: are watermelon because it's the same colors as the Palestinian flag.

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Speaker 3: It's as simple as that. Anyway, here's the problem with

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Speaker 3: the government's farm Mac announcement.

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Speaker 7: I came.

532
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Speaker 3: They've given Fimac six hundred million and they've said far Mac,

533
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Speaker 3: here's your six hundred million. You're gonna buy fifty four

534
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Speaker 3: drags now, aren't you? Yeah, thank you. The problem with

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Speaker 3: that is far Mac is independent. Far Maker can buy

536
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Speaker 3: whatever the hell drugs they want to buy with the

537
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Speaker 3: six hundred million. If you go and have a look

538
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Speaker 3: at their wish list, there are one hundred and forty

539
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Speaker 3: seven drugs on the wish list. So how does the

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Speaker 3: government know that their cancer drugs are going to be

541
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Speaker 3: includ because they were like thirteen cance drugs will be included,

542
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Speaker 3: seven of them absolutely same, same and six others will

543
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Speaker 3: be better, same, same or better, but different ones that

544
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Speaker 3: do the same job. How do they know that? Because

545
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Speaker 3: there's one hundred they could Farmac could pick any number

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Speaker 3: of those ones and not the cancer drugs. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll ask David seymore about that when he's with us shortly.

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Speaker 3: Barry sobers next quarter.

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Speaker 2: Too, Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Sopower, Senior political correspondence with me in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Hey Barry, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So the farm Ac announcement as you predicted.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, I said on Friday, there will be six hundred

556
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Speaker 15: million dollars on the table. Farmac will be given the money.

557
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Speaker 15: They'll be told you got to cough up for the

558
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Speaker 15: cancer drugs that we said that we were going to

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Speaker 15: deliver during the election campaign.

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Speaker 3: Can't tell much to back that Farmacs independent. You cannot

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Speaker 3: tell them to buy the drugs.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Are they're doing the old went lunch nights.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean there's no doubt

565
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Speaker 15: in the government's mind anyway. Foem mac's got other ideas.

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Speaker 15: They'll be in big trouble because both Christopher Luxen and

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Speaker 15: David Seymour saying it's a great day for New Zealand

568
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Speaker 15: that the's not only thirteen the one they'll be getting

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Speaker 15: seven drugs.

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Speaker 3: I think of the thirteen and the remainder are we

571
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Speaker 3: don't forget they've got to.

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Speaker 15: Wait until October November. And this is going to mean

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Speaker 15: less spending the next year's budget because this money is

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Speaker 15: basically predicated on next year's budget.

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Speaker 3: The pilfering money from next year's budget leading rights for stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's the way it's been done.

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Speaker 15: So that thing is great because there will be over

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Speaker 15: twenty six I think it is twenty six cancer treatments

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Speaker 15: and twenty eight other treatments that will be funded by

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Speaker 15: the six hundred odd million dollars. Now, Luxon admits they

581
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Speaker 15: could have handled it better than announcing those drugs during

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Speaker 15: the election campaign and they're not delivering them in the

583
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Speaker 15: budget because there was such as you know, an absolute backlash.

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Speaker 15: He attempted to explain how it happened that Firemac was

585
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Speaker 15: meant to be independent from the government but ended up

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Speaker 15: as the delivery body.

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Speaker 16: It was an attempt to try and get thirteen cancer

588
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Speaker 16: drugs that weren't available to these islanders, you know, by

589
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Speaker 16: essentially working outside the FARMAC system. As we came to government,

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Speaker 16: it became pretty obvious we've got a good model, why

591
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Speaker 16: would we want to create a second model. And it's

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Speaker 16: important that we could actually embed it into the FARMAC model.

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Speaker 16: And that's a lot of what our conversation has been

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Speaker 16: over recent months. But we've actually got Farmac able to

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Speaker 16: purchase fifty four drugs that they previously couldn't do that

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Speaker 16: are going to be very helpful. This is the exciting part.

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Speaker 16: This is a great day for many News Islanders.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, well think it's a great day for FARMAC

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Speaker 15: though is if they really do want to preserve their independence.

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Speaker 15: I mean that's been compromised, like.

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Speaker 3: Let's see the bigger picture right for people who need

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Speaker 3: to struggle.

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Speaker 9: I think it's fantastic, but they should have delivered.

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Speaker 3: The way it's normally so. It is Parliament sitting this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this week it's.

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Speaker 15: Going to be a tough week because of course the

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Speaker 15: Farm Act thing they'll hope will deflect from what's been

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Speaker 15: going on. And yesterday they hoped there would be a

609
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Speaker 15: bit of deflection in the law and order package they

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Speaker 15: announced on a Sunday, And of course they also talked

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Speaker 15: about the military style boot camps for young offenders. Now

612
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Speaker 15: there'll be they'll be a there'll be one ten person

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Speaker 15: pilot in Palmerston North that'll run for years. So we're

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Speaker 15: still quite a long way off those boot camps now.

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Speaker 15: Simme and Brown, he had a very busy week next

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Speaker 15: week and he'll be no last week sorry, and he'll

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Speaker 15: be no doubt accounting for it this week because he

618
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Speaker 15: was between North Northland and Peton over the past week,

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Speaker 15: first responding to that pylon's collapse, and then are Terri's

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Speaker 15: are running aground?

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Speaker 1: So you know what a terror?

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Speaker 3: You're just loving the story about the power pylon. Well,

623
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Speaker 3: guess worse than we thought. It wasn't just two bloody leagues,

624
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Speaker 3: it was three exactly.

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Speaker 15: It's unbelievable that why would you take the bolts out

626
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Speaker 15: of a pylon that's carrying Goodness only knows how much

627
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Speaker 15: weight and electricity was.

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Speaker 3: Well, who knows.

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Speaker 15: To have an independent inquiry?

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 15: Like I said last week, I volunteered to hit that

632
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Speaker 15: inquiry because it was pretty obvious what happened. You only

633
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Speaker 15: had to look at the pilon with its legs in

634
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Speaker 15: the air and clean bolt holes. Those plates would have

635
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Speaker 15: been destroyed when it fell over if in fact the

636
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Speaker 15: bolts were still in place. So it was pretty obvious.

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Speaker 15: But what an abomination that is?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 3: Do you think you're going to make it into the

640
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Speaker 3: Justinda Ardurn movie? Will you just be cast as sort

641
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: of generic generic dog from the side, just like the

642
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: entire hi A Press pack is having a crack at

643
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Speaker 3: her represents Barry Soper. Do you think I think you'll

644
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Speaker 3: be the villain.

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Speaker 15: She to call me a grumpy old man at times

646
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Speaker 15: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 3: Very sober, thank you very much to do this. Seeing

648
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Speaker 3: your political correspondent eight away from.

649
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Speaker 2: Five putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 17: Breakfast Associate Finance mister David Seymour this fairy business over

651
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Speaker 17: the weekend. Did you have a sinking feeling by the

652
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Speaker 17: time the power pylon fell over and the plane didn't

653
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Speaker 17: take off and the fairy hit the wall, that there's

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Speaker 17: something a bit wrong with this country.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it feels like we're a nation and decline and

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Speaker 18: the question is are we going to tweak it or

657
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Speaker 18: are we going to change it? The real question is

658
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Speaker 18: how one private business can run successfully for twenty years

659
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Speaker 18: and no tax payer money and a gup when business

660
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Speaker 18: constantly requires bailout. And maybe that's telling us something about

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Speaker 18: our future, My viewers, we should be confronting quite how

662
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Speaker 18: bad things are help and saying, look, maybe the government

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Speaker 18: doesn't need to be doing this.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: Jenuine Newstalk zby.

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Speaker 3: Who actually took the bolts out? Actually they didn't take

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Speaker 3: the bolts out. They took the nuts off the bolts,

668
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Speaker 3: and I suppose thought it would still hold. We don't

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Speaker 3: actually know the name of the person who did it,

670
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Speaker 3: but we do know that it wasn't Actually the crew

671
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Speaker 3: weren't actually working for Transpower directly. They were working for

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Speaker 3: a company called OMESOM. Never heard of them before, Never

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Speaker 3: want to hear of them again anyway, that they have

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Speaker 3: now stood this crew down for mental health reasons. While

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Speaker 3: they're doing that, they might want to run the old

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Speaker 3: drug test on the crew, as I feel like that's

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Speaker 3: a necessary thing. Anyway, we did hear a little bit

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Speaker 3: from Alison Andrews, one point five million dollar lady earlier.

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Speaker 19: All the nuts securing the tower to the base plate

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Speaker 19: on three legs have been removed, which caused the tower

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Speaker 19: to lift off the base plate and four. It is

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Speaker 19: unprecedented and inconceivable that so.

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Speaker 3: Many nuts removed at once.

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Speaker 19: While not complete, the investigation is now at a point

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Speaker 19: where we can release some information acknowledging the significant public

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Speaker 19: and media interest and.

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Speaker 3: What caused the tower to fall. No, no, no, it's

688
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Speaker 3: not media interest in what caused the tower to fall.

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Speaker 3: It's media interest in how stupid you people are. I mean, honestly,

690
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Speaker 3: let's be honest about it. We're a country of di wires.

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Speaker 3: We looked at it and went, I know you didn't

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Speaker 3: do that, did you?

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Speaker 7: Did you?

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Speaker 3: Did you? Yeah, that's the media interest to mate. Anyway, Listen,

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Speaker 3: Jacinda's got another film coming out right, We've got already

696
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Speaker 3: got one paid for by you and I taxpay here

697
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Speaker 3: film commissioned one. But another one coming out of Hollywood,

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Speaker 3: produced by the US firm Madison Wells j Sinda likes

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Speaker 3: this one because it's not looking for public money these people.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you store it. Saw the Eyes

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Speaker 3: of Tammy Fay, which was on maybe like Netflix or

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Speaker 3: Apple TV, I'm sure, and it was really quite good.

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Speaker 3: It was actually really good. They made the Eyes of

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Speaker 3: Tammy Fay. They also did something called Hallo. HI would

705
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Speaker 3: have never heard of it before. Anyway, We're gonna have

706
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Speaker 3: a chat to Sean Mandell, get a bit of deck

707
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Speaker 3: because the question, of course, is going to be any

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Speaker 3: good or is there just going to be a stink

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Speaker 3: one like their Wills and Kate film. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk to Sean Mandell, entertainment reporter in LA in twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes time, David Seymour straight after the News on the

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Speaker 3: Farm Mac Money, News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Celam Drive with One New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 2: Get Connected and News Talk as the'd.

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Speaker 17: Be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: We've finally got the government announcement on the thirteen cancer drugs.

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Speaker 3: As expected, the Government's pumping six hundred and four million

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Speaker 3: dollars extra into Farmac. They say Farmac will buy up

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Speaker 3: to fifty four medicines. Now that includes seven from the

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Speaker 3: thirteen that the National Party had promised. The remaining six

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Speaker 3: will be similar or better. Farm AC Minister David Seam

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Speaker 3: was with me, now, hey, David, Hey, how do you

725
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Speaker 3: know Farmac's going to buy the seven drugs plus the

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Speaker 3: six similar ones?

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Speaker 8: Well, strictly thinking we don't. What they've done is given

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Speaker 8: us an indication of what would be possible for an

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Speaker 8: amount of money that we're giving them. It is possible

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Speaker 8: that as new medicines emerge, as they negotiate better prices

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Speaker 8: on existing medicines, that they will actually end up funding

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Speaker 8: things better than what is currently proposed. But certainly they've

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Speaker 8: indicated that with the money that we're giving them on

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Speaker 8: behalf of the tax PA. I might add, that's what's possible.

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Speaker 3: Have they bumped these drugs up like a higher priority

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Speaker 3: than they actually should be, or have they said in

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Speaker 3: order to get to them where they are on the

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Speaker 3: priority list, this is how much money we need.

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Speaker 8: I can be very clear, there's no question that pharmac

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Speaker 8: is in any way changing its operation. It remains completely independent.

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Speaker 8: It has its options for an investment list. The closest

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Speaker 8: that we've come to even and anywhere near that independence.

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Speaker 8: Are saying, Look, I pathetically, if you were to receive

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Speaker 8: this much money, how many pharmaceuticals could you fund and

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Speaker 8: would it include this one? And without giving any more details,

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Speaker 8: I've said, look, you know, if you were to fund

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Speaker 8: us this much more, this is how many more medicines

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Speaker 8: would be able to fund, and this is how many

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Speaker 8: of those particular ones you're interested in might be included.

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Speaker 8: But ultimately the decision is entirely up to them.

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Speaker 3: David, you are a guy who has made a political

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Speaker 3: career out of being disciplined with spending. How do you

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Speaker 3: feel about taking this money out of next year's budget?

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Speaker 3: As I putting on the credit card.

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Speaker 8: There's very few things that I am in favor of

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Speaker 8: spending more money on, but medicines are absolutely one of them.

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Speaker 8: If you look at the amounts of the economy, if

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Speaker 8: you look at the amount of health budget, if you

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Speaker 8: look at the amounts of government spending that goes on

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Speaker 8: medicines New Zealand, it's not just a bit below every where,

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Speaker 8: way behind the pack. There are too many lists of

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Speaker 8: developed countries where New Zealand is not even in the pack,

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Speaker 8: kind of straddling along at the back. And what that

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Speaker 8: metaphor means in reality is people who have some sort

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Speaker 8: of illness. That cancer is one that is high profile,

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Speaker 8: but far from the only illness that people have, and

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Speaker 8: they can only think that had they been born in

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Speaker 8: a different country, that they would have been able to

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Speaker 8: get a medicine that would make a dramatic difference to

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Speaker 8: their life, perhaps saved their life. I've had constituents as

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Speaker 8: a local MP. One that will always stay with me

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Speaker 8: a woman with multiple sclerosis. She had to wait until

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Speaker 8: her condition deteriorated before the medicine would be funded in

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Speaker 8: New Sound. As it turned out, she was an Australian citizen,

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Speaker 8: so she was able to get the medicine and continue

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Speaker 8: living a good life. That's the difference. And there's a

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Speaker 8: million examples like that, particular one of people that have

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Speaker 8: ended up having much worse lives because New Zealand doesn't

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Speaker 8: fund what others do and we can actually and I

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Speaker 8: just make one final point. I know I'm going on,

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Speaker 8: but I believe that in time we will demonstrate the

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Speaker 8: savings to the rest of the health system and to

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Speaker 8: the tax system and the wealthier system, because medicines actually

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Speaker 8: allow people to stay out of hospital, stay off the

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Speaker 8: doll and at work where they're actually contributing to the

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Speaker 8: taxpayer's coffers as well as obviously having good their lives themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair point to make, David, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, David Seymore farm Ac Minister.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen, the judge at.

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Speaker 3: Former Green MP Gulra's garment sentencing hearing, has reserved her

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Speaker 3: decision now Garman pled guilty to shoplifting almost nine thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars worth of clothing from several high end retailers. The

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Speaker 3: judge did say at the outset of the hearing that

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Speaker 3: she wouldn't be giving garament in any prison time. Herald

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Speaker 3: reporter Craig Capitan was in court. High Craig, Hi, how

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Speaker 3: are you very well? Thank you? So why has the

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Speaker 3: judge reserved the decision?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think there are a lot of eyes watching this,

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Speaker 7: probably a lot more than a normal deft case, so

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Speaker 7: it makes sense that she'd want to make sure she

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Speaker 7: doesn't make any mistakes. She's going to write it all

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Speaker 7: down and release the whole decision in writing on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: The defense wants a discharge without conviction.

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Speaker 7: Why well, they say, obviously she was going through a

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Speaker 7: mental health crisis. Basically, who in her right mind would

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Speaker 7: risk their career for something like this. There produced a

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Speaker 7: mental health report suggesting that she suffered complex PTSD, which

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Speaker 7: was a result of her early life in Iran and

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Speaker 7: that quote public vitrial threats and abuse that dominated her

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Speaker 7: time in parliament. They even pointed out that at one

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Speaker 7: point her security detail was as intense as for the

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Speaker 7: Minister because of the threats she was receiving. So they

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Speaker 7: said this is all linked to her mental health and

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Speaker 7: as such she should be given the little leeway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing, Crown doesn't sound like Crown doesn't sound like

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Speaker 3: it's buying that argument at all, doesn't.

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Speaker 7: No, they are Yeah, they said that that the link

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Speaker 7: between mental health and the depth was spurious at best.

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Speaker 7: They pointed out that yes, she did have mental health issues.

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Speaker 7: That's that's much as known. But there was a premeditated

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Speaker 7: nature to the offending. It was three stores on four occasions,

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Speaker 7: and the most obvious explanation might just be that she's

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Speaker 7: simply one of the items. As a former lawyer, she

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Speaker 7: should have known better. And they said they basically a

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Speaker 7: discharge without conviction wouldn't necessarily mean that she could practice again.

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Speaker 7: So what's the point that you could tell they were

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Speaker 7: taking it seriously because Consolicitor Elisha McClintock was there. She's

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Speaker 7: the highest ranking prosecutor in Central Auckland and North in

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Speaker 7: the North Shore.

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Speaker 3: So she wants to practice as a lawyer again, does she?

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Speaker 7: It certainly sounds like I mean, and if you think

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Speaker 7: about it, what else is there? She's she's not going

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Speaker 7: to be a politician again, it seems, unless she has

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Speaker 7: a remarkable comeback. So she has this law degree. She

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Speaker 7: hasn't been allowed to practice law while she's in parliament.

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Speaker 7: That's just a standard rule. But now she has to

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Speaker 7: start thinking about what she does with her life from

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Speaker 7: here and obviously using that law degree either for criminal

839
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Speaker 7: defence work again or for human rights law would make

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Speaker 7: sense if she was allowed to.

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Speaker 3: Craig, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Mate. That's Craig Captain,

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Speaker 3: the Herald reporter who was in court today.

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Speaker 1: Forgive do for c Len.

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Speaker 3: Any update on Darlene Tanna. We're on day ninety nine. Ben,

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Speaker 3: You're wrong. We're on day one hundred and two. I

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Speaker 3: went back and counted it stood down March fourteen. That's

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Speaker 3: fourteen weeks. Fourteen weeks time seven days is ninety eight

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Speaker 3: plus an extra four days because its you know, we're

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Speaker 3: into the fifteenth week. There you go, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: two days. Rachel, the lawyer is slow. Anyway, you would

851
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Speaker 3: have heard the new who's at five? The Electoral Commission

852
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Speaker 3: has now referred Darling Tana to the police over an

853
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Speaker 3: alleged failure to include a promoter statement in an election

854
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Speaker 3: advertisement which is published in May twenty two and three.

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Speaker 3: What happened was she was in a magazine published by

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Speaker 3: Verve as Verve Magazine. She was in this magazine. It

857
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Speaker 3: just looked like it was a straight out story like,

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Speaker 3: look at how great darling Tana is. Actually it wasn't

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Speaker 3: she actually paid for it? And if it's an election advertisement,

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Speaker 3: then under this particular section of the Electoral Act you

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Speaker 3: have to say promoted, like you have to have a

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Speaker 3: promoter statement authorized by or whatever. And they didn't do it,

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Speaker 3: and so as a result, the matter is now with police.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that's not even the interesting bit. The not

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Speaker 3: interesting bit is go like, that's pretty boring compared to

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Speaker 3: what Rachel the lawyer is looking at. And this is

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Speaker 3: going faster than Rachel the lawyer, So Rachel the lawyer

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Speaker 3: might want to speed it up quarter past. Hey, we

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Speaker 3: all want to be the best, but not all of

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Speaker 3: us get to say that we actually are the best.

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Speaker 3: one New Zealand. They have been named as having the

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Speaker 3: best mobile network in New Zealand. Forget this. The third

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Speaker 3: year running. The award was handed out in May. It

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Speaker 3: was handed out by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT. These guys

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Speaker 3: test and compare more than two hundred mobile networks worldwide,

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Speaker 3: and of the three major Kei we telcos, one New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's mobile network performed the best. They came out at

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Speaker 3: on top for voice and data. They had the most

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Speaker 3: reliable mobile network as well, and the results are good

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Speaker 3: news obviously for One New Zealand because they invest millions

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Speaker 3: of dollars each year into the network and it's paying off.

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Speaker 3: Also good news for people like you and me, because

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Speaker 3: personal use, and we need a mobile network that keeps

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Speaker 3: us connected. So if you'd like to learn more about

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Speaker 3: joining New Zealand's most reliable mobile network, jump online and

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Speaker 3: visit one dot NZ ever dup c Ellen nineteen past five.

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Speaker 3: Just Cinda R. Durn now Ja Cinda Ardurn seems to

890
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Speaker 3: like the Hollywood movie being made about her because this

891
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Speaker 3: time it's not funded by public public money like the

892
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Speaker 3: one that's being made here in New Zealand. Movie is

893
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Speaker 3: going to follow her political recreer from the moment that

894
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Speaker 3: she gets the Labor Party nomination all the way through

895
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Speaker 3: to her quitting last year. It'll be produced by Medicine

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Speaker 3: Well Studio. Shan Mandel is an entertainment reporter for Los Angeles.

897
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Speaker 8: And with US.

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Speaker 3: Now, Hey, Sean, hi there, how are you? I'm very

899
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Speaker 3: well thank you. What do we know about medicine, Well, studio,

900
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Speaker 3: are they any good?

901
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Speaker 20: They're very good. They've produced quite a few notable films,

902
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 20: not just films that have garnered interest from the public,

903
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Speaker 20: but interest, for example, from the Academy of Motion Picture

904
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Speaker 20: Arts and Sciences. They produced the film The Eyes of

905
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Speaker 20: Tammy Fay, which won Jessica Testain her Oscar for Best Actress.

906
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 20: Also Hell or High Water, the Tyler Sheridan scripted movie

907
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 20: which really launched the Tyler Sheridan cinematic universe that gave

908
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Speaker 20: us Yellowstone nineteen twenty two and the lot.

909
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Speaker 1: Of all his work.

910
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Speaker 20: And also Drive, the Ryan Gosling Ye that was very popular.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

912
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 20: So headed by billionaire Gigi Pritzker. So definitely a production

913
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Speaker 20: company that means business.

914
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Speaker 3: Do we know anything about who's being cast, who is directing, screenwriting,

915
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: anything like that.

916
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Speaker 20: So for this it seems that this is going to

917
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Speaker 20: be a documentary feature. Now, there has been talk in

918
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Speaker 20: the past about a scripted feature, a scripted biopic portrayal

919
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Speaker 20: of Dame Disinda taking place, with Rose Byrne, for example,

920
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Speaker 20: being an actor that whose name was tossed about and

921
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Speaker 20: believed to have been cast in the role in a

922
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Speaker 20: previous production, but that production fell apart. There was controversy

923
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Speaker 20: regarding the script her casting as well, So now it

924
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Speaker 20: seems to be the focus away from doing something scripted

925
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Speaker 20: and now in the space of a documentary purposely, I

926
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Speaker 20: would argue in an attempt to be able to produce

927
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Speaker 20: something about Damejinda without involving the controversy that the scripted

928
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Speaker 20: version seems to have done. So this will be a

929
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Speaker 20: documentary and it will also have a Dame just into participation,

930
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Speaker 20: and she has said that one of the reasons why

931
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Speaker 20: she is participating as well is because there aren't any

932
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Speaker 20: dollars from New Zealand's film commission going towards the project.

933
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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Hey, Shawn, thank you was always appreciated. Sean Mandel,

934
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Speaker 3: entertainment reporter based in La Hither did you hear that

935
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Speaker 3: gold has got that black turtleneck that she was wearing

936
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Speaker 3: today for a steal?

937
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Speaker 2: No?

938
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Speaker 3: Thank you for that? Now I know apparently King Charles

939
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Speaker 3: is going to give us a miss. This is rude.

940
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Speaker 3: I mean, like, the guy's got cancer, fair enough, but

941
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Speaker 3: come on now it's going to Australia, which I can

942
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Speaker 3: understand because they're the big boys, and then he's going

943
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Speaker 3: to some more and if it's like a picking order thing,

944
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Speaker 3: we're number two. We are we are, we are number

945
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Speaker 3: two because some more is not going to be like

946
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Speaker 3: they'll They're going to be sticking around with the Commonwealth,

947
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Speaker 3: aren't they. We're more likely to ditch than sar wars anyway, rude,

948
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Speaker 3: So the huddle's going to be with us shortly and

949
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Speaker 3: talk us through that. Five to twenty two.

950
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Speaker 2: Heather duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the

951
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Speaker 2: fact it's hither Duplice Ellen dry with one New Zealand,

952
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Speaker 2: let's get connected and news talk as.

953
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Speaker 3: They'd be whether there is a major Commonwealth meeting and

954
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Speaker 3: some more. He's going to fairpoint John five point twenty five,

955
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 3: still grumpy about it. Now, do you know what I reckon?

956
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: That there is a chance that these boot camps are

957
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: going to work. And I'm saying this because all of

958
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: the commentary around them always has the tone of everyone

959
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: knows it's not going to work. And you would have

960
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: heard that with the Children's Commissioner who started, who was

961
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Speaker 3: at the with us at the very start of this program.

962
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: But I don't know that that's the tone. We should

963
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: be taking now. The reason I say that is because

964
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Speaker 3: when National first announced these boot camps during the election campaign.

965
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: You remember, everybody took the tone then and they were like,

966
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: everybody knows it's not going to work. Even Sir Peter Gluckman,

967
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Speaker 3: who was John Key's former science advisor, repeatedly was being

968
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: quoted as saying it's not gonna work. So I gave

969
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: Peter Gluckman a call to see, you know, what he

970
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: was concerned about here, And actually it turned out his

971
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: argument was a lot more nuanced than that. His problem

972
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: was that they hadn't worked in the past because they

973
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: were too short. Under the John Key administration, the boot

974
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: camps were only eight weeks. You came into the boot

975
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: camp for eight weeks and then you went home and

976
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: then that was it. Your life was supposed to have

977
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: to That's not realistic. These ones are twelve weeks in

978
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: the boot camp and importantly nine months supervision and help

979
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: afterwards when they get home. Now that is crucial because

980
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: if you just stick a kit in a boot camp

981
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: and think that's going to fix them, you're obviously wrong.

982
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: You need to keep helping the kids when they go

983
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: back under the influence of whoever it is that's taking

984
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: them off the tracks, whether it's their family or their siblings,

985
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: or their peer group or whatever. There are a lot

986
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: of ifs here, right, There's a lot of ifs. Depends

987
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: on how these things are designed, depends on who's running them,

988
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But so far, just on the

989
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: duration alone, they're already better than what went on under

990
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: the John Ka administration. There's more chance that they succeed

991
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: now the cops. As I said earlier, let us know

992
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 3: today that four teens have been arrested for stabbing somebody

993
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: outside a gas station in Coedo. All of the teens

994
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: are fourteen and fifteen years old. That is the age

995
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: at which they would now go to boot camp. They

996
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: would be declared as serious, a young serious offender, and

997
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: off they go to boot camp as a possibility. You

998
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: tell me they shouldn't go to boot camp. Go on,

999
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: then you tell me why a fourteen or fifteen year

1000
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 3: old who stabbed somebody should not go to boot camp.

1001
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: Tell me you've got a better idea. Because love ain't

1002
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: going to fix that. Wrapping around ain't going to fix that.

1003
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: Being kind to them ain't going to fix that. Those

1004
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: kids need a massive intervention and frankly they are so

1005
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: far gone if they are stabbing somebody else at fourteen

1006
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: years old that I would say that, even if you

1007
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: do not like boot camps, they have got to be

1008
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: an experiment worth trying, because the alternative is you leave

1009
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: them in the situation they are, and that's not going

1010
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: to fix anything either, is it?

1011
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: Ever?

1012
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: Due to see Ellen, heither are a big compo bills

1013
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: coming transpowers way. I hope their insurances in order, their

1014
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: lawyers are going to be panicking. Ben, you'll bang on

1015
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: and actually we're going to speak to a business up

1016
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 3: in Northland next after the headlines because they that's exactly

1017
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: what they are waiting for now that we know that

1018
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 3: it was basically, you know, idiots taking bolts and nuts

1019
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: out and stuff like that. There's a compo bill coming.

1020
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 21: Now?

1021
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: What about this burg week at Wellington City Council? Okay,

1022
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 3: because they have got to pass their long term plan

1023
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: on Thursday and there's a chance it's not going to pass,

1024
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: and if it doesn't pass, there is a chance the

1025
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: government calls a Crown monitor and all the commissioners or something.

1026
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: I guess it's got to pass, right, But there's a

1027
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: good chance it doesn't pass. Guess who just called in sick.

1028
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: Tory is called in sick. She's got the rona. She's

1029
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: not going to be there all week with all this

1030
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: negative publicity hanging around. She'll be back. She apparently back

1031
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 3: on Wednesday, but she's got rona for a couple of days.

1032
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: I just want to remind you that remember when Tory

1033
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: said she was an alcoholic, she got the rona. That

1034
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: was November. Torri gets a lot of the rona and

1035
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 3: like really convenient times when just when you don't want

1036
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: to be in the office, you get the rona. How

1037
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: good is that? Headline's next.

1038
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: Hard Questions, Strong opinion, Heather due for see allan drive

1039
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 2: with One New Zealand.

1040
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: Let's get connected and used talk as it'd been. You know.

1041
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 9: You're not.

1042
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 7: Hey.

1043
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: The huddle's standing by. Also, the All Blacks captain's going

1044
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: to be announced in about nine minutes time, and we

1045
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: will bring you that news as soon as they announce

1046
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: Scott Barrett as the captain. Nichola Willis is anyway, that's

1047
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: the best, isn't it. Nichola Willis is going to be

1048
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: with us after six o'clock. I've got a little bit

1049
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 3: more deep. Doesn't sound like we've canceled that. Here's a

1050
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: little twist in the story. Remember how Nichola canceled the

1051
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: Big Fairies. I don't think that Nichola canceled the Big Fairies.

1052
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 3: It sounds like they may not be canceled. I'm gonna

1053
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: bring you those details shortly. Quite a few texts quite

1054
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 3: upset about Justinta getting a movie. Heither, You've got to

1055
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: be kidding that she's getting a movie, Heather, All our

1056
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: EXPM likes. The reason our XPM likes the US movie

1057
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: is because it's all about her, et cetera, et cetera. Now,

1058
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: I'm actually quite into this I am, and I'm not

1059
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: being sarcastic. I'm quite into this movie because I would

1060
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 3: be fascinated to know what she thinks happened, because we've

1061
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: got it from our perspective, right, we know what we

1062
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: think happened here, and we know why we're all angry

1063
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: at her and angry at the stuff that they did.

1064
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 3: But Jisin do's never to publicly like in any great

1065
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: detail about what her experience was, and she's going to

1066
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 3: be by the sounds of things involved in the making

1067
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: of it. Right, she's endorsed it, so wouldn't it be

1068
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: fascinating to know what she thinks? I would be interested.

1069
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: Look at you don't have to watch it. I'll watch

1070
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: it for you. I'll tell you all about it. Twenty

1071
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: two away from six would do to see el? Transpower

1072
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: has admitted that the crew working on the pylon were

1073
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 3: the ones to blame. Yep, they didn't remove nuts on

1074
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: two legs. They removed nuts on three legs. Here's the

1075
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 3: chief executive Alie and Andrew. Yeah, now you can't hear anything.

1076
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it anyway. She just explains the situation

1077
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: for Transpower. Right, it's the Transpower, it's the contractor who

1078
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: did it, Omic Soom and the Minister Sime and Brown.

1079
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: None of them want to talk about it. Darren Fisher

1080
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: is the Chief Executive North Chamber, Northland's business chamber. It

1081
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: is with us now, Hey, Darren, good evening, How are

1082
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: you very well? Thank you? Does knowing that it was

1083
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Speaker 3: just something stupid make it better for you guys or worse?

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Speaker 22: I think it raises the level of anxiety. To be honest,

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Speaker 22: I mean I don't know if you can be ensured

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Speaker 22: for negligence in this respect. So as far as our

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00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 22: businesses here concerned, I'm not sure whether they're covered or not.

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Speaker 22: I mean, because the Transpower are certainly not fronting up

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Speaker 22: to any form of compensation themselves, just breaking the Consumer

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00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 22: Guarantees Act. So I mean, yeah, I think this has

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Speaker 22: to the problem.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, hold on. So I looked at that because

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Speaker 3: Alison Andrew had seen people can make a claim through

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00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: the consumer guarantees that go through their electricity provider. I

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00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: just assumed that that it was her admitting that they

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Speaker 3: are liable for compo.

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Speaker 22: You seeing it differently, certainly seeing it differently. I think

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Speaker 22: Consumer Guarantees Act relates to you and I at home

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Speaker 22: as an average retailer. It doesn't relate to business. From

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Speaker 22: a business perspective. We're encouraged to make claims through our

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00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 22: own insurers, which would then obviously come at at a

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Speaker 22: premium cost to ourselves and then no doubt have an

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Speaker 22: effect on our ongoing premiums. And I mean those as

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Speaker 22: everyone in dousiness in New Zealand. Those premiums for insurances

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00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 22: already out of control, so making a claim for negligence

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Speaker 22: on someone else's won't be helpful.

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Speaker 3: Darren have you taken legal advice.

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Speaker 22: Just in the process of that. Now, I've had some

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Speaker 22: just initial feedback through our legal partners, but I'm waiting

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Speaker 22: to hear some specific feedback from some of our members insurance.

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Speaker 3: What are your lawyers telling you just initially, Oh, there's.

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Speaker 22: That we're not sure whether it covered or not. Really,

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Speaker 22: I mean that's the unknown is still unknown.

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Speaker 3: Have you tried to talk to transpar about whether they

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Speaker 3: are liable here?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, So we had Transpower address ourselves and a number

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Speaker 22: of members of the business community north in this morning

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Speaker 22: at ten o'clock, and you know, they already signaled to

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Speaker 22: us that they're going to be making an announcement at

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Speaker 22: one o'clock. But disappointingly, they wouldn't share any further information

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Speaker 22: at that time. And the advice they gave us in

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00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 22: was in line with what they gave us thinking at

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Speaker 22: one o'clock, so not terribly helpful to this.

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Speaker 3: So they didn't say anything about whether they would pay compo.

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Speaker 22: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 3: Well, Darren, I really hope for your sake that actually

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Speaker 3: your lawyers tell you that you can go hellful leather

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Speaker 3: with these guys. Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: That's Darren Fisher, the CEO of North Chamber.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional marketing

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Speaker 2: for every property.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the huddle of us is even. You've got Trishurst

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Speaker 3: and Shirson Willis pr and Joe Spagani, Child Fund's chief executive.

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Speaker 3: Hell are you too? Hello Josie? What about the power pylon?

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Speaker 3: I mean, how good is that?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 21: Unbelievable? So, I mean things like this don't just happen.

1138
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 23: It's there's usually when something stupid, remarkably stupid like this happens,

1139
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 23: then there's something wrong in the health and safety of

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00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 23: that organization and the safe practices of that organization. Anyone

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00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 23: who's run a business at all knows that if something

1142
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 23: like this happens that there's never one cockroach right. There's

1143
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 23: something wrong at the of transpower when it comes to safety.

1144
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Speaker 23: So I know that the Minister Simeon Brown's called for

1145
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Speaker 23: I think the Electricity Authority to review it and do

1146
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 23: an investigation. Absolutely right thing to do. But this is

1147
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 23: totally bizarre. I mean to remove all the bolts from

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00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 23: You know, even I, as a non engineer, can work

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00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 23: out if you do that, the thing's going to fall over.

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Speaker 21: So I mean, yes, it might be in competence. It

1151
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 21: might even be sabotage.

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Speaker 1: Who knows.

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00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 23: We don't know no alleged wrongdoing yet at all, But

1154
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 23: we don't know what it is and the investigation will

1155
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 23: tell you.

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Speaker 21: But it does tell you that even if it is.

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Speaker 23: All of those things, there's something wrong an organization that

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00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 23: deals with such serious stuff like energy electricity. Same with

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00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 23: any big infrastructure organization. Every single incident matters. If your

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00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 23: chair collapse is in an office, you report it, you know,

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Speaker 23: because one thing that goes wrong usually means there are

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Speaker 23: other things going on too.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Trisha has gone on here with

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Speaker 3: the comms because on Friday they were saying no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: We're going to focus on getting the power restored and

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Speaker 3: then we'll do the mvsation. Well they've only got the

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00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: power restored yesterday and that's a very fast investigation. So

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Speaker 3: they've obviously changed their minds about needing to front up,

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Speaker 3: haven't they.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, overall, it does feel a little bit

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 5: like New Zealand has a screw loose at the moment,

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Speaker 5: doesn't it. Things are things are falling apart all over

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Speaker 5: the place. I wonder whether what they needed to do

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Speaker 5: was buy some time early on, because actually it was

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Speaker 5: so serious the loss of power to Northland that they

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Speaker 5: probably needed to buy time and get the power back on.

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Speaker 5: And then what they've probably realized over the weekend, and

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Speaker 5: Mayor Brown and Auckland probably assisted them along, is to

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Speaker 5: realize that most people could see when you look at

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Speaker 5: what happened, and when you see the pictures of the

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00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 5: plate that you know, it looked like screws had been

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00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 5: taken out, nothing had been forced or wrenched. So I

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00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 5: think they were probably forced into a position today where

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Speaker 5: they had to come out and try and get ahead

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I speak, you might be right speaking of things

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00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: falling apart, Josie. How much trouble is the government on

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Speaker 3: the fairy drama?

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Speaker 23: Oh well, you'd have to say that they were right

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Speaker 23: to go in and cancel what was an absolutely ridiculous contract.

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Speaker 21: You know, let's just look at the numbers of it.

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Speaker 21: I mean, you've got a faery that brings a fairy business.

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Speaker 23: Our inter Island Ferry brings in about one hundred and

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Speaker 23: thirty million revenue not profit revenue a year, and they

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Speaker 23: were going to spend over three billion dollars replacing the

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Speaker 23: old fairies. So I mean, at some point that's too

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Speaker 23: much money, right, It just doesn't make any sense. So

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Speaker 23: I get why they canceled it, and it was the

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Speaker 23: right thing to do. I think the problem they've got now,

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Speaker 23: as Trisha said, it feels like the bolting out of

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Speaker 23: New Look Josie.

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Speaker 3: Their problem was they canceled fairies. We needed Regardle. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I agree it was the right court, but they didn't

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Speaker 3: give us an alternative. They didn't go canceling these ridiculous ones.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get these ones instead because we still

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Speaker 3: need them.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, but to be fair, buying a new fairy isn't

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Speaker 23: like going to the car yard and going I'll have

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 23: that old Toyota Corolla, thanks very much. I mean to

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00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 23: me that the blame here shoots back to the border

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Speaker 23: Kiwi Rail, and you know, I don't think it's any accident.

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Speaker 23: They say it's nothing to do with it, but that

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Speaker 23: Dave McClain, the board chairperson, resigned this weekend or you know, recently,

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Speaker 23: And I.

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Speaker 21: Do think it's it is Kiwi Rail that has not They've.

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Speaker 23: Fallen in love with this sort of unicorns and ferries

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Speaker 23: at the bottom of the garden idea of having a

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Speaker 23: three billion dollar you know, ferry with trains going on

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Speaker 23: and whatnot, and they failed to actually see actually the

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Speaker 23: situation was far more urgent and they needed something much

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 23: more quickly, and they needed something that was going to

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Speaker 23: be actually user friendly.

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Speaker 21: So I don't know that you can. But what I

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Speaker 21: was going to say is I think the problem for.

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Speaker 23: The government is it just plays into even though they're

1226
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 23: not to blame, it plays into this narrative that the

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Speaker 23: bolts have come out in New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: It's falling apart at the scenes. What the hell are

1229
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Speaker 21: they doing? You know? So even though we're not blaming them,

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Speaker 21: we want them to solve it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, we're just going to stop the atris. I'm

1232
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Speaker 3: going to get your take on it when we come

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Speaker 3: back from the break.

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Speaker 3: Back with the Huddle, Josephganni and Trisharson Sherson. Trish Rada,

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Speaker 3: what do you think of how much trouble the government

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Speaker 3: is on the fairie drama.

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Speaker 5: I think the fairy drama is a big problem for

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Speaker 5: the government in the future if they don't get a

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Speaker 5: solve quickly for it now. But what we saw over

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Speaker 5: the weekend is to Josie's point around the management of

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Speaker 5: these fairies. You know, the problem has been under investment

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Speaker 5: in maintenance over many years. And the other thing that

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01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 5: it's highlighted to us is you know, number one, cooks

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 5: the cook Straight is part of State Highway one in

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Speaker 5: New Zealand. It is an absolutely critical link for for

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Speaker 5: freight and for the New Zealand supply chain. So we

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Speaker 5: need to have reliability, you know, reliable fairies to get

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Speaker 5: goods and people across there. But number two, what the

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Speaker 5: weekend also highlighted is that key we rail and the

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Speaker 5: previous the previous government. We're far too late in ordering

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Speaker 5: the new Fairies because what we're seeing with the existing

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Speaker 5: fleet is they just you know, we're having to band

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Speaker 5: aid them together to even keep them on the water.

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Speaker 5: And the other point someone raised with me over the weekend,

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Speaker 5: which is a good one, is to remember that New

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Speaker 5: Zealand's cook Straight is known in maritime circles as one

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Speaker 5: of the more challenging and dangerous stretches of water. So

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Speaker 5: you know that heightens the risk if you've got you know,

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 5: ships like this, particularly in the dead of winter going

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01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 5: across deep cold waters. If we haven't had another disaster

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Speaker 5: like this on another night when the weather was rough,

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Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't even be thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair point. Okay, are you,

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Speaker 3: Trish into the Jasinda doco?

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Speaker 5: Well? I love the story because these kind of Hollywood

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Speaker 5: docos are really in at the moment. If you think

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 5: of the big blockbusters in the last few years, you know,

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Speaker 5: we've had the Beckhams, we have had Robbie Williams telling

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01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 5: his life story and his undies sitting.

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Speaker 21: On his bed and this to me will do that Trish,

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Speaker 21: that would be.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think Justinder will be in

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Speaker 5: aroundings on the bed, but it'll be in this kind

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Speaker 5: of a style, and often these documentaries are almost a

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01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 5: story of a you know, a redemption store on the

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Speaker 5: part of the main protagonist. So I think it will

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Speaker 5: be very interesting a to see how the portrayal goes,

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01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 5: but be what the outtake is, because I would imagine

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Speaker 5: between New Zealand and international audiences, as we know with

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Speaker 5: the perception of Dame Jcinder overall, there is you know,

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Speaker 5: night and day between what the global audience thinks and

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Speaker 5: what New Zealander's experience was of that time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon? Are you into it? Josie?

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Speaker 23: Look, I think the problem with this and people are

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Speaker 23: entitled to make these documentaries, and I think it will

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Speaker 23: be interesting. Trisha, I think you're right because often these

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Speaker 23: documentaries reveal things they don't necessarily intend to reveal, and

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Speaker 23: I think that was the case probably with the Robbie

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Speaker 23: Williams one as well, that the story you think you're

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Speaker 23: telling isn't necessarily the one that people are hearing. But

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Speaker 23: I think the main problem for me about this is

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Speaker 23: that it's made by someone who's clearly a fangirl, right, So,

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Speaker 23: I mean I think the quotes today with things like

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Speaker 23: this is she continues, Dan just Sinda continues to be

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Speaker 23: an inspiration to everyone, including me. It's an empowering, moving,

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Speaker 23: boundary pushing story.

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Speaker 21: Now that that's okay.

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Speaker 23: People are entitled to be fans and to make documentaries

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Speaker 23: about people they really admire. But what would be so

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Speaker 23: much more interesting if they were examining why it is

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Speaker 23: that in New Zealand we fell in love with Jacinda

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Speaker 23: seventy percent of us, you know, she embodied our values

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Speaker 23: and we backed her, and it dropped from seventy percent

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Speaker 23: to twenty percent. Now, the story to me in a

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Speaker 23: documentary is how did that happen? And why did that happen?

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Speaker 23: And it's a shame they can't tell that story.

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Speaker 3: That is actually quite an interesting yarn in and of itself. Guys,

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Tresious and

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Speaker 3: JOSEPHEGANI Hosking is going to be in a day because

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Speaker 3: it's a doc eye so they have bits of him,

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Speaker 3: won't they? Seven Away from six on your smart.

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Speaker 1: Speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car on

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Speaker 1: your drive home.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant

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Speaker 2: leap for business.

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Speaker 1: Excused talk sibby.

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Speaker 3: Five away from six. He's Scott Robertson, the new All

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Speaker 3: Blacks coach. On picking Scott Barrett as the All Blacks captain. Ants,

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: I've done a thing, have and I I've completely muted

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Speaker 3: the computer, which is why this has happened for the

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Speaker 3: second time in twenty minutes. And ANTS is going to

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Speaker 3: have to step in and help me out here and

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Speaker 3: tell me when you're good to go. You're good to go. No,

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Speaker 3: you're good to go, go go?

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Speaker 1: Is your relationship with Scott.

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Speaker 3: He's technically astute, he leads from the front, and he's

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Speaker 3: got the respect of the players and the coaches.

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Speaker 1: He'll be a great leader in the black jersey. There Goes.

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Speaker 3: It was worth It wasn't there. It was It was

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Speaker 3: though anyway. So they've picked Thank you for that, Ants,

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Speaker 3: thanks for rescuing me. They've picked three locks, which is

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Speaker 3: we're being told I don't know anything about sport. I'm

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Speaker 3: being told that's unusual, but it's not that many. And

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Speaker 3: they've only picked two first fives, which I also think

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Speaker 3: is unusual because it's not many, right, and it's Damien

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Speaker 3: Mackenzie and it's Boden Barrett. And all it takes is

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Speaker 3: one of those boys like, what if body gets injured,

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Speaker 3: He's always getting injured. What if he gets injured, then

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Speaker 3: you've got then you've got Damien, and then you've got

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Speaker 3: no reserve. Anyway, I'm reading something into this. Damiens says,

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Speaker 3: first five and then it's Damien Mackenzie, Boden Barrett. I

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Speaker 3: am reading the fact that Damien's name goes before Boden's,

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Speaker 3: that he's the first choice. So anyway, we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk to I think, is it Jason Ryan Who's going

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Speaker 3: to be with us? Jason Ryan's going to be with

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Speaker 3: us after half bus six and get him all the

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Speaker 3: details out of him. Anyway, it's going to tell you

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Speaker 3: about what was going on with the Big Fairies. Right

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Speaker 3: Remember remember when Nicola Willis canceled the Big Fairies. It

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Speaker 3: is possible that she didn't cancel the Big Fairies. She

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Speaker 3: just said she canceled the Big Fairies. The reason we

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Speaker 3: are saying this is Politic dot co dot ezet is

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Speaker 3: reported its Politic is the newsletter for all the nerds

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Speaker 3: who like politics. It is saying that ministers have been

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Speaker 3: repeatedly asked and written questions if it has been canceled

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Speaker 3: the contract, and none of them are saying yes. They

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Speaker 3: just dodged the question. They say other things. They don't

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Speaker 3: say yes, it's being canceled, which basically means no, we

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Speaker 3: haven't canceled the contract yet. Koreans are still building the

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Speaker 3: big ships. Apparently the problem is that the break fee,

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Speaker 3: which we have definitely talked about on this show because

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Speaker 3: we have been hearing that's massive. Apparently the brake fee

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Speaker 3: is so big that it's stupid to cancel. It's better

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Speaker 3: to actually make the big ships and then seal somebody else,

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Speaker 3: which is absolutely fine, But we still need fairies. Can't

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Speaker 3: get them on the second hand market. So what are

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Speaker 3: we going to do about it? We still need fairies.

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Speaker 3: We are going to talk to Nicolouillis about this. After

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Speaker 3: six News Talks NB.

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Speaker 2: Have you've been track of where the money is flowing?

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Speaker 2: With the Business hour with had the duplessy Ellen and

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Speaker 2: my hr on News.

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Speaker 1: Talks V.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour, the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: assistant coach Jason Ryan's going to talk us through the squad.

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Speaker 3: They just announced there are a few little interesting things.

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Speaker 3: And now I'm going to run you through fran O'Sullivan

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Speaker 3: on the infrastructure problems we're having around the country and

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Speaker 3: Gavin Grays with us out of the UK right now

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Speaker 3: at seven past six, and with us right now is

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Speaker 3: the Finance Minister Nikola will I say, Nikola, Hi you ever,

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Speaker 3: so what's the plan for the fairies? What are we

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Speaker 3: going to do.

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 24: The plan is, first we have to ensure that KiwiRail

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Speaker 24: is maintaining its current ferries well, because it's always been

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Speaker 24: the case that no new ships were due to arrive

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Speaker 24: until at least twenty twenty six, so there's been an

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Speaker 24: ongoing expectation that they maintain their existing fleet well. The

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Speaker 24: second piece is that it's clear that these are aging

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Speaker 24: vessels which will require replacement, and so we have taken

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Speaker 24: advice from an independent expert ministerial group about how we

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Speaker 24: should replace them. The good news is that group has

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Speaker 24: said to us, look, you've got some good options here.

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Speaker 24: You can get replacement ships, you can get them in

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Speaker 24: a timely manner before the end of life of these

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Speaker 24: current ships, and we're just working through as ministers the

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Speaker 24: best way to achieve that okay, So.

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Speaker 3: What are they saying there's some available on the second

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Speaker 3: hand market.

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Speaker 24: Well, there's no it's more likely that they would be

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Speaker 24: procured you, and there are some options for how we

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Speaker 24: achieve that.

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Speaker 3: What is the end of life? What do you consider

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Speaker 3: the end of life of the existing fairies?

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Speaker 4: Well, I understand that the most recent advice that Kiwi

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Speaker 4: Rail has had of an independent assessment of the existing

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Speaker 4: theories is that those faeries can keep operating safely and

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Speaker 4: reliably until at least twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: Well, are you serious we're going to have to do

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Speaker 3: another five or six years with these things?

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Speaker 24: Well, they need to be maintained. Well, they need to

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Speaker 24: be operated nically.

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Speaker 3: You can't be comfortable with that. I mean, look at

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Speaker 3: what's happened to this theory the fairy They couldn't even

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Speaker 3: steer it. And it's not even the first time that

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Speaker 3: they couldn't steer the ferry. The same thing happened earlier

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Speaker 3: as well. Do you really believe it's going to be?

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Speaker 3: Okay and key? We should be on board these things.

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Speaker 24: The government is committed to ensuring that we've got safe,

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Speaker 24: reliable vessels and we completely accept that we want to

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Speaker 24: replace the existing vessels, and we've got time to do that.

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Speaker 24: And of course i'd like to see replacement ships ahead

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Speaker 24: of twenty twenty nine, There's no question about.

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Speaker 3: That, because I mean, you're criticizing key We Rail for

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Speaker 3: the servicing, but they just had the steering replaced.

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Speaker 15: Well.

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Speaker 24: K WE Rail are yet to explain exactly what went

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Speaker 24: wrong here and will await the explanation.

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Speaker 3: But is it fair to criticize them for the maintenance

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Speaker 3: if they are maintaining that. What I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 3: is maintenance actually an issue here? Or is it the

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Speaker 3: thing is just so old even if you try to

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Speaker 3: maintain that you can't.

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Speaker 24: Well, this is the point I'm making. An independent expert

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Speaker 24: has looked at the ships and said, actually, is it

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Speaker 24: safe and reliable to keep these things going? Is that possible?

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Speaker 24: And they're more expert than I am or you are,

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Speaker 24: And I've said, yes it is. So I've got to

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Speaker 24: rely on independent experts here and their advice. None of

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Speaker 24: that stops the fact that k WE Rail also need

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Speaker 24: to make sure they're doing everything right in the way

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Speaker 24: that they operate those ships and maintain those ships. I

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Speaker 24: think all of us, except that we prefer to have

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Speaker 24: new ships. So we're making sure we do that. But

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Speaker 24: you know what, we've got to do that sensibly because

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Speaker 24: the last proposal that was on the table, those ships

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Speaker 24: were so much bigger around forty meters longer round ten

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Speaker 24: meters wider that they wouldn't have actually fit in the

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Speaker 24: existing verbs at either port. There was a real question

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Speaker 24: about whether the ports could be fixed up in time

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Speaker 24: for their arrival. Then the harvearm master had concerns about

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Speaker 24: whether those ships would be maneuverable in the narrow straits

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Speaker 24: of the Tory Channel and coming into the Soum So

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Speaker 24: to say that there was a magic answer on the shelf,

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Speaker 24: that's dreaming.

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Speaker 3: Look, I agree that you made the right call in

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Speaker 3: canceling it. I just wonder if we should have got

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Speaker 3: onto ordering newer ones earlier. If you are to buy

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Speaker 3: new ones, has your expert group told you how much

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Speaker 3: they're going to cost?

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Speaker 24: Our excerpt Our group has given us a range of costs.

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Speaker 24: But the key thing, of course is who we go

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Speaker 24: with the specifications. As a cabinet, we're working through all

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Speaker 24: of that and what's the range. Look, it varies, Heather,

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Speaker 24: and I don't want to throw a number out publicly

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Speaker 24: for the simple reason that this is incredibly commercially sensitive.

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Speaker 24: We are working with shipbuilders and I don't want to

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Speaker 24: prettice any of those discussions.

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Speaker 3: Is it going to be more expensive potentially than the

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Speaker 3: ones you just canceled?

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Speaker 24: Well, I'll tell you what will be a heck of

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Speaker 24: a lot cheaper, and that is the cost of the

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Speaker 24: infrastructure required at port to take.

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Speaker 3: But the boat itself could potentially be more expensive.

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Speaker 24: Wellever, I say, I'm not going to give a number

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Speaker 24: on what we think the ships will cost until I've

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Speaker 24: had a proper tender process and I've looked at proper documents,

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Speaker 24: or until I've had a proper number from a shop shipbuilder.

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Speaker 24: So I don't think it would be a good idea

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Speaker 24: to play a guessing game with that number.

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Speaker 3: Have we actually canceled the contract for the Big Fairies.

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Speaker 24: We're in a negotiation process at the moment with HMD,

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Speaker 24: who are the Korean shipbuilders who were contracted to build

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Speaker 24: a very large ship.

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Speaker 3: What's that negotiator? If you want to cancel it, just

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Speaker 3: go to them and say cancel.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 24: Well, obviously these contracts are pretty complex and there's a

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Speaker 24: range of things to work through.

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Speaker 3: The break fee right.

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Speaker 24: Well, and also this question of whether or not HMD

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Speaker 24: would be appropriate to build smaller in future.

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Speaker 3: How big is the break fee?

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Speaker 24: Well, that will depend on the negotiations that are underway.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see, so it could potentially be smaller if

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Speaker 3: we keep them building the big ones, but go for

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Speaker 3: smaller ones as well, Like if we negotiate with them

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Speaker 3: for the next round that we want, it could bring

1509
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: that break fee down.

1510
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 24: Yeah, these are all things that we're working through.

1511
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 3: Okay, how much money did you guys lose on that

1512
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 3: failed ETS auction?

1513
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 24: Well, we didn't lose money as such. The point with

1514
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,680
Speaker 24: the emissions trading scheme is that it's a market. There

1515
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 24: are a number of options each year, and like any market,

1516
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 24: price discovery occause.

1517
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I just noticed that this is normal. But

1518
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 3: in the past we've had a figure attached to it,

1519
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: but not this time. Do you know how much it

1520
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: was that that was lost in the auction?

1521
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 24: Look, I just get given repeatedly, very clear advice don't

1522
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 24: start commenting on the auction in any detail because actually

1523
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 24: you could compromise the effectiveness of that auction in future.

1524
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 24: So I'm going to be really careful there. No fair enough,

1525
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 24: I like to be candid in upfront, but that is

1526
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 24: one thing I don't want to comp and.

1527
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I understand that I see that there's

1528
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 3: some suggestion that maybe there are other industries now who

1529
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 3: also want exemptions because forestry got an exemption, in farming

1530
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 3: got an exemption. Is that the case.

1531
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 24: Well, in the case of farming, there's a very good reason. A.

1532
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 24: It's lethane, so it's a different gas and we're actually

1533
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 24: doing our work currently to look at what that means

1534
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 24: in terms of the way it's treated. And in the

1535
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 24: case of forestry, those are that's providing a really good

1536
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 24: carbon sink. So beyond that, we don't have any proposals

1537
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 24: to withdraw anything from the ETS.

1538
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 3: Hey Nicholas asking you this because you're a Wellington based

1539
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 3: MP and that's really the only kind of significance of that.

1540
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:09,520
Speaker 3: But if your council, Wellington City Council, does the extraordinary

1541
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 3: thing of being unable to pass the long term Plan

1542
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 3: on Thursday, which seems to be a live possibility, do

1543
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 3: you think the government needs to step in here?

1544
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 24: Because that was the case, if the council couldn't pass

1545
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 24: its own plan, I would be set up on behalf

1546
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 24: of Wellingtonian because actually they just want by his local

1547
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 24: body politicians to get on and govern a city which

1548
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 24: actually has leaking water pipes and all sorts of challenges.

1549
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 24: So at the point that the council decides it won't

1550
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 24: pass its own plan, well, it's really making it clear

1551
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 24: that it's not up to the task and so then

1552
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 24: the government will have to look at that and say

1553
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 24: what next.

1554
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 3: So you would consider it, well, I mean to me, it's.

1555
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 24: Almost unfathomable, Heather, that a council would not pass its

1556
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 24: own plan. If that happens, that will be a novel thing.

1557
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,560
Speaker 24: And I think that will be a matter for me,

1558
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 24: mean Brown to consider. I would throw my hands up

1559
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 24: in despair. And I think that it would warrant quite

1560
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 24: serious action. I think Wellingtonian's would be pretty set out

1561
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 24: and at that point something serious would have to happen.

1562
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 3: So I appreciate how carefully you're choosing your words. Then, Nicola,

1563
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 3: thank you very much, really appreciate your time. That's Nicola Willis,

1564
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 3: the Finance Minister. It would be novel, It would be novel,

1565
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: it would be special. It would make Wellington have to

1566
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 3: think about revoting them. And I mean come up surely

1567
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: sixteen plus six.

1568
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,879
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy

1569
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

1570
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: HR platform for SME on newstalk SEDB.

1571
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 3: Hey, if you're thinking about renovating your kitchen, you need

1572
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 3: to listen to this. Here's an interesting development this year.

1573
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 3: We've got a new type of kitchen bench top which

1574
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: is entered the market. It's called Imperio. It's made of

1575
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 3: a new layered compound, so it offers the tech and

1576
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 3: the durability of stone, but without the presence of toxic

1577
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 3: chemicals like silica. It's incredibly tough, singeproof, scratchproof, crackproof, moisture

1578
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 3: proof and heat resistant up to two hundred and twenty degrees.

1579
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 3: Imperio is offered exclusively in New Zealand by the O'Brien group.

1580
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: It's a family owned business who've been fitting out kei

1581
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 3: we Kitchen since nineteen seventy two. They describe Imperio as

1582
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 3: a surface for life, an ultra durable bench top designed

1583
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: to stand up to a lifetime of use. Imperio looks

1584
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 3: the part as well a It's available in a range

1585
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 3: of designs provides a natural quality finish, making for a

1586
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 3: stylish centerpiece to any home. And best of all, it's

1587
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 3: a highly affordable option to fit your budget. If you

1588
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: like what you're hearing, see it for yourself at Imperio

1589
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 3: dot MZ. Heather Sullivan's going to be with us shortly. Okay,

1590
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 3: So on the All Black squad, right, the interesting things,

1591
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 3: as far as the sports guys are interested, the probably

1592
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 3: the most interesting thing is that they've announced three locks,

1593
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: one of whom is injured. So you've got Scott Barrett, Patrick,

1594
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 3: Typolotu and to Purvayi and to a Polo two is

1595
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 3: injured even though he played the super Ragpy fine, he's

1596
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 3: carrying an injury. Injury. Now somebody else, somebody's pointed out

1597
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 3: that Semipenny female can play lock. So that gives you

1598
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 3: a fourth option, which is probably a smart thing to have,

1599
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 3: because you can't just have two locks, like if one's injured,

1600
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 3: you can't just have two on them because then you

1601
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: got two on the field and then one gets injured,

1602
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 3: then what are you gonna do. So they've got Semmerpenni

1603
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 3: f now up their sleeves and the same thing as

1604
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 3: I was saying, is you've only got two first fives.

1605
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 3: I said that to the boys out there. I was like,

1606
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 3: is that smart move? And they're like, yeah, it's Stephen

1607
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 3: Perafeta is there as well. Even though he's listed as

1608
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 3: an outside back, he can also play in the first

1609
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 3: five positions, so that will be there's a little bit

1610
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 3: of like doing the old switcheroony's going on, which is

1611
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 3: probably smart. I mean, if you've got versatile players, why

1612
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 3: not use them. So we'll talk to Jason Ryan, who's

1613
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: gonna be with us in about fifteen minutes. Took us

1614
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: through that. I think it's possible. Muzz says that the

1615
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 3: Wetton brothers were captains as well, so it might not

1616
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 3: be the first time in history. But I still think

1617
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 3: that the Barrett parents can have multiple drinks tonight to

1618
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 3: celebrate Heather. I work closely in the industry. This is

1619
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 3: the fairy industry. The ships haven't been canceled because the

1620
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 3: break fee is basically the entire fee of building the ships,

1621
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 3: and the South Koreans have threatened to blacks blacklist New

1622
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: Zealand as a trade partner if we go through with this.

1623
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 3: They need to buy. This is the government they need

1624
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 3: to buy three or four smaller rail enabled fairies to

1625
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 3: ensure the movement of freight and passengers by road and

1626
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: rail and allow for good maintenance period contingencies. Now, the

1627
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 3: rail enabled thing I have heard is a terrible idea,

1628
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: And somebody was explaining it to me at the weekend

1629
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 3: because what you needed. But because I mean, obviously, as

1630
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 3: I said before, you've got all this redundant metal. The

1631
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 3: thing is bloody heavy. It train's heavy, right, Leave it

1632
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 3: on the land. Don't put it on a boat, because

1633
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: now you need all these massive boats to carry it.

1634
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 3: But as well as that, that's part of the reason

1635
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: why the docks have to be so expensive and built

1636
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 3: up in so much land reclaimed, because if you think

1637
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 3: about how like think about the turning arc of a train.

1638
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 3: You ever built a train track at home for your child,

1639
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 3: It's enormous. You got it like a rude takes up

1640
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 3: all this land to turn around right, whereas if you

1641
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 3: just turn a track you just get viager left right

1642
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 3: done like a normal car. There's your problem. It just

1643
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 3: creates so much complication. And apparently, and I can't verify this,

1644
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: but apparently literally nobody does this around the world. It

1645
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 3: hasn't been done since the nineteen eighties. I was told

1646
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 3: that could be a lie. That was just told to

1647
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 3: me to convince me. But I'm just passing that lie

1648
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 3: on to you. Fran O Sullivan next six twenty two.

1649
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, MicroB or just plain economics, it's all

1650
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

1651
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: Allen and my HR, the HR platform for SME US

1652
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: talk SB.

1653
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 3: The trains don't go on the faery, just the cars

1654
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 3: with containers. Hello, That's why we were buying big fairies

1655
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 3: so we could put the trains on it. That's why

1656
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 3: it's a dumb idea. Six twenty five. Well, geez, do

1657
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 3: you need reminding that our infrastructure is a bit broken?

1658
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 3: The plane can't take off as a PM's plane, and

1659
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 3: now you've got the fairies unable to be steered. Fran

1660
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 3: O'Sullivan is enzme's business commentator and with us to talk

1661
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 3: through the commiserations of the situation. Fran good evening, How

1662
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 3: do we fix it?

1663
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 25: Well, I don't. I think they should have canceled the

1664
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 25: big ferries. I think they should have done that in

1665
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 25: the infrastructure. They've worked on several levels. They were also

1666
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 25: going to be very efficient on carbon emissions, and that

1667
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 25: matters over time and their long term assets. I mean,

1668
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 25: you're only talking and I can say the fast three

1669
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 25: four five billion, and if you put that against cost

1670
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 25: of second HLB crossings in Auckland, you put that against

1671
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 25: light railcasts, you put that against a rafted thing city

1672
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 25: rail link, all of that. I actually think the link

1673
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 25: between the two two islands is actually pretty central. And

1674
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 25: unfortunately they unless you know, the Korean ship owners have

1675
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 25: now got them by the proverbial, because there's no way

1676
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 25: in hell they're going to agree to some sort of

1677
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 25: sensible break FEEG and that they were well downe the

1678
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 25: track of starting to build these things.

1679
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 5: So essentially, do you know.

1680
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 3: If we can continue with the big ferries without doing

1681
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 3: all the port work.

1682
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 25: No, we can't.

1683
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 5: We need to do thet where it's all that.

1684
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 25: And there's an argument which says that should occur. I mean,

1685
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,879
Speaker 25: you look at Wellington and you look at the issues

1686
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,560
Speaker 25: around seismic activity, A lot of that stuff which is

1687
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 25: really wasn't really worked through at the beginning. You know,

1688
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 25: they can't put it right in the center city because

1689
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 25: of all of that. They have to put it up

1690
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 25: the coast. Further up the harbor, and so you know

1691
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 25: there are a range of issues there. I just think

1692
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 25: this is one of those quick decisions that are made

1693
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 25: to make a point on a prior government as well

1694
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 25: that haven't been really appropriately addressed. The problem they've now

1695
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 25: got is all these maintenance failures, which is what they are,

1696
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 25: and that unfortunately we're rebound on the government whether or

1697
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 25: not it stacks up, simply because if there is a

1698
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 25: major incident. What happened the other day was incredibly bad.

1699
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 25: I mean, just had new steering kit pull and don't forget,

1700
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 25: yes there was Wahni, but there was also the Mikhail Lermantoff.

1701
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 25: We have had major shipping disasters and we're damn lucky

1702
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 25: wasn't in the Strait with a high sea running when

1703
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 25: it occurred. It was a great story also the other

1704
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 25: day by George Georgina Campbell, which actually pointed to you know,

1705
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 25: wiring being fried essentially because it had been papered over

1706
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 25: with with TAKEE and that's just integrate, yes, and this

1707
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 25: is sort of the history of bad maintenance. So and

1708
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 25: then we have a pylon falling over in the North

1709
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 25: Island simply because some idiot took all the screws out

1710
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 25: at once and even some kid playing with their lego

1711
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 25: kid could tell you you don't do that. So I mean,

1712
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 25: this is barking stuff. So I think we have a

1713
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 25: major problem. And the problem at the straight out problem

1714
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 25: is maintenance.

1715
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: Right now, I agree with you. Now, friend, listen, this

1716
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: is your last chat with us in the slot. Can

1717
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 3: I just say thank you for all of the years

1718
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,560
Speaker 3: that you've fronted up and given us your commentary and expertise.

1719
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 3: We really appreciate it.

1720
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 25: Thank you very much and and good luck also with

1721
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 25: the show, Heather. It's been a pleasure being on it

1722
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 25: with you and the team and also with Larry Williams

1723
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 25: prior to that. And it's a great station and I'm

1724
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 25: sure you'll take it to New Heights.

1725
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, fran And we will definitely have you

1726
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 3: a back around and about because we can't do without

1727
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 3: your expertise. Thank you so much. Look after yourself. That's

1728
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 3: fran O Sullivan, m zimy's business commentator. Fran was just

1729
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 3: mentioning Georgina Campbell's story. I'll just tell you really quickly,

1730
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 3: she's managed to get hold of some information that shows

1731
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 3: that the same faery that just ran Aground also had

1732
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: a similar problem in twenty twenty three in February. So

1733
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 3: February last year lost power for a few seconds. Diesel

1734
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 3: generator or something kicked in, but basically the steering didn't

1735
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 3: work for twenty minutes and it just drifted. Oh does

1736
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 3: it sound like something like we just experienced. Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1737
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 3: If it's happened before twice, well you know, Headline's.

1738
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 2: Next everything from SME's to the big corporates of a

1739
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: Business hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR, the

1740
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: HR platform for sme US talks.

1741
01:23:54,800 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: That'd be okay.

1742
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray is going to get this out of the

1743
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 3: UK shortly. The key we rail have got to stop

1744
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 3: using fine to twine on the steering for those fairies.

1745
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 3: It's not strong enough. Number eight one would be better,

1746
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 3: needs replacing every couple of months because of resting chess. Honestly,

1747
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 3: imagine if we got like we're actually not that far

1748
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: away from that. I don't know if you've seen that.

1749
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 3: Go to the Herald. By the way, have a look

1750
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 3: at those pictures in the Georgia Campbell story about what

1751
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 3: happened to this faery last time in February twenty three.

1752
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 3: It's like they've basically as crappy little tape and they've

1753
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 3: wired the two bits together for the steering, and you

1754
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 3: just look at it and go oh, You're like, oh wow,

1755
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 3: there were six hundred people on that boat. Jeez, imagine

1756
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 3: if it hit the rocks. Like, there's too much of

1757
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 3: that is too much cavalier stuff going on there. Just

1758
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 3: really quickly before we get to Jason Ryan. On Friday,

1759
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 3: we were talking about what's going on in the Giggle

1760
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 3: Right with the mayor because the mayor has been saying

1761
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 3: stupid stuff in public and some of the councilors across

1762
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 3: and so they wanted him to resign, but then they

1763
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: took it to a vote, and then they lost the vote,

1764
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 3: and so then the compromise position they got into was

1765
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: that and asked him to refrain from public and public

1766
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 3: speaking engagements for the remainder of the term. He's just

1767
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: flat out said no. He's like no, He's emailed them

1768
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 3: at the weekend saying he's going to say he's sorry

1769
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 3: for what he said at the firefighters event about the

1770
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 3: MC and the volunteer firefighters and people in Auckland and

1771
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 3: literally everybody else who he offended, but he's not going

1772
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 3: to step aside from the public duties, including the speaking engagements.

1773
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 3: Another counselor made the point that if he had been

1774
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 3: doing this in his private capacity as an employee, it

1775
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 3: would have been sacked. Like nobody would put up with

1776
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 3: this crap. The pressure's on him so badly now though,

1777
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 3: So he's just announced this afternoon he's going to take

1778
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 3: a month off work and he's just going to have

1779
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 3: a go go away and have a little think about

1780
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 3: it and then he'll come back in a month's time.

1781
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 3: This is knobbe Clarke, obviously twenty two away from seven

1782
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 3: Heather dup cur So. Scott Barrett, in a like in

1783
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 3: news we were all expecting, has been named the captain

1784
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 3: of the All Blacks. The new coach, Scott Robertson has

1785
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 3: revealed his team line up for the test matches against

1786
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 3: Fiji in England, and associate assistant All Blacks coach Jason

1787
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 3: Ryan is on the line from the announcement in christis

1788
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 3: with us now. Jason, Hello, good evening, Hey, well thank you.

1789
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 3: How the Scott Barrett announcement go down?

1790
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1791
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 9: Well, you know, he's a real leader and players follow

1792
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 9: him and he's a winner.

1793
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 3: When you say he's a winner, he's a winner because

1794
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 3: he played for the Crusaders and won.

1795
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 9: Everything pretty much.

1796
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 3: Well, it's good to have a winner in there. Is

1797
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 3: this the first time in history that we've had two

1798
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 3: brothers in the captaincy trio?

1799
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 9: I'm not too sure. Actually, no, I couldn't answer that.

1800
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 3: Did they did? I mean, were they stoked about it?

1801
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 9: Yeah? Definitely. I think they'll work pretty well together. They

1802
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:40,959
Speaker 9: both see the game differently, but you know, pretty experienced

1803
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 9: now as well, so I think they'll compliment each other.

1804
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 9: And that role with Ardie.

1805
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 3: Jason, is Damien McKenzie your first choice? First five?

1806
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 9: Not sure yet?

1807
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 3: What's going to make your mind up?

1808
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 9: Well, we have a look at him train and the

1809
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 9: boys come in this week and like all the boys

1810
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 9: that have been announced, he's thirty two players there, and

1811
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 9: there's no starting team picked until the test week.

1812
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 3: So I only saw Damien McKenzie and Bowden Barrett in

1813
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 3: for that position. Is there is Stephen Parafeta an option

1814
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 3: to pull in as well?

1815
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 9: Yep, he can cover that Stevie.

1816
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then what about the three locks? So the

1817
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 3: boys in the newsroom in the sports department was saying

1818
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 3: to me, they think that's weird that you've named three

1819
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 3: locks and one of them has got an injury.

1820
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 9: Well, Sam Barry's coming in for cover, so he'll he'll

1821
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 9: be with us for a couple of weeks.

1822
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: Okay, why did you leave out Hoskins.

1823
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 9: Statutu, Well, we just thought Wallace the TV is work

1824
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 9: create both sides of the ball as phenomenal and he

1825
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 9: put his hand up. Could not pick him the performance

1826
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 9: that he had in the semi final. He put on

1827
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 9: a bit of a master class and for a young man,

1828
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 9: we'll see a huge future in him. Had good conversations

1829
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 9: with hoss during the year and with the Blues coaching

1830
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 9: staff and a couple of areas that we're that we're

1831
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 9: looking at, and yeah, we just believe Wallace has earned

1832
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 9: his opportunity. And also he can cover a couple of positions.

1833
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 3: Off the five guys. He's obviously on one of the

1834
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 3: five uncapped players that you've pulled in. Of the five

1835
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 3: of them, is he the most exciting, Well, I.

1836
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 9: Think that'd be a little unfair to say he's the

1837
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 9: most exciting. I think that, you know, it's a good

1838
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 9: balance of you know, all the lucies have got their

1839
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 9: own real point of difference. To be fair, who got to.

1840
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 3: Call these players? Did Razer have to do all of them?

1841
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 3: Or did you guys split it up?

1842
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 9: They heard it live like the rest of the country

1843
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 9: like the old days. Yeah, other than Pasolio and TJ

1844
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 9: and Jordie who were obviously here along with Scott, So

1845
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 9: we just changed it up a little bit. And yeah,

1846
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 9: I guess it is a little bit like the old days,

1847
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 9: bring a little bit of tradition back, which was nice.

1848
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 1: Right.

1849
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 3: So Pasolio is one of the ones also who you've

1850
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 3: brought an uncapped Who got to call him and tell

1851
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 3: him that he's made the squat.

1852
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, Razer wrung him this morning and let him know

1853
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 9: and said he needs to be on a flight for

1854
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 9: the announcement today. And he was at our non finalist

1855
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 9: camp last week with a few of the other boys

1856
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 9: that have also made it. So it's exciting for him

1857
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 9: and his family.

1858
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 3: Did you Copple look at him? Is he fizzing?

1859
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 9: Yeah? No, he's right on his toes. He's he's got

1860
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 9: a mess of ceiling Plasi Leo. We've been looking tracking

1861
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 9: of quite some time, strongest prop in the country. Then

1862
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 9: he's got a big future at Testametch Rugby.

1863
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure how's Raizor feeling Jason because there's heaps of

1864
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 3: like there's pressure on him, man, like we're expecting him

1865
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 3: to win everything.

1866
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 9: Well, I think every head coaches and every all black

1867
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 9: coaches expect to win everything. So I think it's you know,

1868
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 9: that's part of the that's part of the legacy, it's

1869
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 9: part of you know, who we are. It's what the

1870
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 9: black jersey are of you. And we wouldn't want that

1871
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 9: any any any way else.

1872
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 3: To be fair now, fair enough, Okay, what happens for

1873
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 3: you guys?

1874
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 20: Now?

1875
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 3: Do you get to celebrate or is it just like

1876
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 3: straight into the business.

1877
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're We're on a eleven o'clock flight tomorrow morning

1878
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 9: up to Wellington to assemble as a management group the

1879
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 9: all black players that are all on promos promos in

1880
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 9: Auckland for the whole day, and then we assemble on

1881
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 9: on Wednesday up in Wellington year and then we have

1882
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 9: pretty much a couple of days together there and then

1883
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 9: then it's the weekend and we've got seven days we

1884
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,719
Speaker 9: play England. So it's going to come around pretty quickly

1885
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 9: now and really looking forward to it.

1886
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 3: Good stuff mate, looking forward to it myself. Jason, thank

1887
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 3: you so much. Go well, that's Jason Ryan, the assistant

1888
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 3: All Blacks coach.

1889
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Heaver du for see Allen, listen, I've got to get.

1890
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 3: You across this this this. If you don't like the

1891
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 3: wating of taxpayer money, get yourself ready to rip Yundi's

1892
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 3: The Taxpayers Union's got a really good series that they're

1893
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 3: running at the moment where they basically look at what

1894
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 3: tiny little government agencies you've never even thought of before

1895
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 3: in your life are spending huge amounts of money on

1896
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 3: last week that d Hell three Search Council. Honestly, you

1897
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 3: want to go look at that list, like that list

1898
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 3: literally has people at cocktail functions talking at the moment

1899
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 3: today they've had a look at the Marsden Fund, which

1900
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 3: is run by the Royal Society of New Zealand now

1901
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 3: the Royal Society of New Zealand. You know, it's got

1902
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 3: a proud history. It comes from the Royal Society in

1903
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 3: England which was established there sixteen sixty and then in

1904
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 3: New Zealand eighteen sixty seven. Like you know, like that's

1905
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 3: really early stuff that they set this thing up and

1906
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 3: it's done some really great work. I mean, for example,

1907
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 3: Ernest Rutherford, who split the atom, was one of the

1908
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 3: twenty original Royal Also Society Fellows appointed in nineteen nineteen.

1909
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 3: Is just one example of them looking at scientific brilliance

1910
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 3: and going, yep, we're going to recognize that. So they

1911
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 3: run a little fund called the Marsden Fund. When I

1912
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 3: say little, it's big. It's reserved for top tier research funding.

1913
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 3: It's supposed to support excellence. It's supposed to be the

1914
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 3: Krem de la Crem says the Taxpayers Union of New

1915
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 3: Zealand academia showcasing the highest standards of scholarly excellence and innovation.

1916
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 3: Is it the Shall we look at what it's spending

1917
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 3: its money on? Recipient Doctor c s Byork Massy University

1918
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 3: to have a look at true crime podcasting through the

1919
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 3: lens of rhetoric. We will explore how true crime podcasting

1920
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 3: provides significant insights into the perplexing yet fundamental civic process

1921
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 3: of making collective judgments in a digital age. Three hundred

1922
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 3: and sixty thousand dollars. Recipient Doctor A. Paisley Pasley. Paisley Pasley,

1923
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 3: who cares University of Auckland, co Designing and decolonizing gender education,

1924
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 3: exploring what it means for gender diverse students to thrive

1925
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 3: in schools. Three hundred and sixty thousand dollars recipient, Doctor E. S.

1926
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 3: Chisholm Otago University. Making a home in employer provided housing? Yes,

1927
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 3: did you know? There's lots of that in the world,

1928
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 3: employer provided housing, Yet little is known about life in

1929
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 3: employer provided housing because no one cares. Three hundred and

1930
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Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollars. Dr HL Black Massy University. The desexualization

1931
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Speaker 3: of Terreo Maori domains. This research will identify how sexuality

1932
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Speaker 3: was traditionally expressed and defined by examining happy eating. All

1933
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Speaker 3: of my eating is happy, happy eating, singing hucker, legendary

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Speaker 3: mythical stories, chanting idiomatic expressions, by investigating how sexuality, food, identity,

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Speaker 3: and socialization are all part of a complex and inter

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Speaker 3: woven Maori cultural worldview. Three hundred and sixty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Associate Professor J. T. Smith, Victoria, University of Wellington's got

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and sixty one thousand dollars so they can

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Speaker 3: go and have a look at the diverse roles of

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Speaker 3: Indigenous women and foods stef they need a lot of

1941
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Speaker 3: money because they're going to be going to Hawaii, India,

1942
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 3: Peru and Turtle Island or right for some oh over

1943
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 3: there at Otager University's got Buddhist law in Asia funding

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01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 3: that six hundred and sixty thousand dollars. The design and

1945
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 3: the content of picture books, yep, baby books, kiddy books, yep.

1946
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Speaker 3: The design and the content of picture books reflecting indigenous language,

1947
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Speaker 3: culture and involving national identities six hundred and sixty thousand dollars.

1948
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Speaker 3: And then something about embracing Islam conversion identity and belonging

1949
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Speaker 3: in alti at or in New Zealand three hundred and

1950
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Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollars. Last year, right, you're like, oh, fIF

1951
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. Last year the taxpayer funding amounted to

1952
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Speaker 3: eighty four million dollars, which is more than the cost

1953
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Speaker 3: of the thirteen cancer drugs that until today we apparently

1954
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Speaker 3: couldn't afford. How did the Science fund that started by

1955
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Speaker 3: supporting somebody like Ernest Rutherford who split the atom end

1956
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Speaker 3: up spending money on things that are just absolute nonsense.

1957
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Speaker 3: Grant Robertson, I know he's at the center of all

1958
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Speaker 3: of these stories. Grant introduced a bill in twenty twelve

1959
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Speaker 3: which was passed by the House which changed the object

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Speaker 3: of the Royal Society for Advancement and Promotion of Science

1961
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Speaker 3: and Technology to the advancement and promotion of Science, Technology

1962
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Speaker 3: and the humanities. And there is nothing that is more

1963
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 3: nonsense than the humanities, as evidenced by this list. You

1964
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Speaker 3: want to save money, David Seymour, you want to save

1965
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Speaker 3: some money, shut this down. Then you can have lots

1966
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Speaker 3: of money for far Mek. They're thirteen away from seven.

1967
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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1968
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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with hither duplic Ellen and my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME news.

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Speaker 3: Talks, they'd be it's coming up ten away from five

1971
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Speaker 3: and Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with us. Hey, Kevin

1972
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Speaker 3: Hiver Heller, Gavin, does it sound like you guys actually

1973
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 3: might be sorting out this problem with the Chinese electric

1974
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Speaker 3: vehicles and all the tariffs and stuff.

1975
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Speaker 26: It's looking a lot more positive than it had been.

1976
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Speaker 26: Of course, America has raised its tariff on Chinese electric

1977
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 26: cars from twenty five percent to one hundred percent last month.

1978
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Speaker 26: That you have threatened up to thirty eight percent for

1979
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 26: air vehicles imported into the European Union. They claim the

1980
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,879
Speaker 26: Chinese government is effectively subsidized in their production. The Chinese

1981
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 26: then threatened that something similar back. It's not popular among

1982
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Speaker 26: some politicians in Germany, in particular with a big manufacturing base.

1983
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Speaker 26: It's not popular indeed in the industry. But after a

1984
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Speaker 26: phone call over the weekend, it looks like talks aren't

1985
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 26: actually going to happen to try and resolve the matter,

1986
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Speaker 26: though no firm progress.

1987
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Speaker 24: On this yet.

1988
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Speaker 3: Now, what happened with the wolves in the park near Paris?

1989
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Speaker 26: Yeah, well a great question. So a woman has been

1990
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 26: attacked by wolves. Now, the thirty six year old victim

1991
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Speaker 26: was staying at a lodge within something called Tiori Park,

1992
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Speaker 26: now that is an animal park near Paris, and it's

1993
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Speaker 26: looked like that she stayed there in accommodation overnight and

1994
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Speaker 26: then strayed into the main safari zone, which is only

1995
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Speaker 26: reserved for cars to go through animal enclosures, and she

1996
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 26: went early in the morning for a job while within

1997
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Speaker 26: moments she was set upon by three Arctic wolves. Up

1998
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Speaker 26: a severe bites to her neck, back and leg, and

1999
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Speaker 26: the trip to hospital of course and intensive care. I

2000
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 26: wasn't far behind. We haven't yet got a condition check

2001
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 26: on her. We don't know why she went into a

2002
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 26: car only zone, whether she didn't see the symbols or

2003
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 26: the science and investigation is underway, but obviously a pretty

2004
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 26: unpleasant attack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Hey, so what about Elton John. I who's

2006
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 3: he giving all this money to charity to?

2007
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Speaker 26: Yeah? Well, mostly, of course, I think it probably adds

2008
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 26: up to his AIDS foundation. But Elton John is the

2009
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 26: most generous celebrity in the UK. According to a new survey.

2010
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:37,799
Speaker 26: He donates, believe it or not, six thousand New Zealand

2011
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 26: dollars to charities every hour of every day. He does,

2012
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 26: of course, have a billion New Zealand dollar fortune, and

2013
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 26: he dishes out roughly one hundred and sixty thousand New

2014
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 26: Zealand dollars a day to charityble have causes close to

2015
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 26: his heart. It works out at a staggering fifty eight

2016
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 26: million New Zealand dollars a year. Incidentally, he's not alone.

2017
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 26: He is pushed very very closely by JK. Rowling, the

2018
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 26: author of Harry Potter, into second place, and then the

2019
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 26: Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton is third. Lord Alan Sugar,

2020
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 26: who of course is a big magnet over here in industry. Fourth,

2021
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,759
Speaker 26: and Lord Andrew Lloyd Weather, the composer of so many musicals,

2022
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 26: is in fifth. However, as generous as that all may see,

2023
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 26: they are absolutely dwarfed by one or two. In the

2024
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 26: world of banking, an investment banker here called Sir Chris

2025
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 26: Heine has donated a massive amount of money over the

2026
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 26: last few years, estimated to be some one point two

2027
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Speaker 26: billion New Zealand dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: Oh, how good is that? You got to love that stuff, Gevin,

2029
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, talking you in a couple of days.

2030
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Speaker 3: Devin Gray, UK correspondents given away from seven.

2031
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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, micro or just playing economics, it's all

2032
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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Ellen and my HR,

2033
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Speaker 2: the HR platform for SEME news talks. It'd be.

2034
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Speaker 3: Here there. As amusing as those examples are, this is

2035
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 3: obviously the Marsden Fund, the Royal Society of New Zealand

2036
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 3: just throwing many all this stuff. As amusing as they are,

2037
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,759
Speaker 3: they are symptoms of a root cause, which is oversized

2038
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 3: government cut it back to a cap of twenty percent

2039
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 3: of GDP and have done with it. Patrick, I'm with you.

2040
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 3: If you and I Patrick were running the show, would

2041
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 3: make the act party look tame because we're just go

2042
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 3: because you and I don't need to win the next selection,

2043
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 3: do we. We'll just go in there and be like

2044
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 3: cut cut cut, and New Zealand would be grateful. First

2045
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 3: of all news They'll be angry, but then in the

2046
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 3: years to come they would be grateful for it. I

2047
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 3: haven't told you what's been going on with Transpower. So

2048
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 3: Transpower today did the thing where they finally fesced up

2049
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 3: to the thing that we already knew, which was that

2050
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 3: somebody had pulled all the nuts out of the pylon.

2051
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 3: So the first thing this morning, producer Laura gave them

2052
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:35,759
Speaker 3: a call and said, can we get Alis and Andrew

2053
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 3: on and they were like, no, she's not doing any interview,

2054
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Speaker 3: which probably didn't yell like that. They were like, no,

2055
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 3: she's absolutely under no circumstances doing any interviews because there's

2056
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 3: nothing to say, nothing more to say, so they said

2057
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 3: she So then Laura said, well, why don't you come

2058
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 3: on the show and tell us directly what happened? And

2059
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 3: they said doing a press conference is speaking to the

2060
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 3: people directly anyway. So then we called the guy Laura.

2061
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 3: When I say we do any of this, Laura, producer

2062
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 3: was doing all the hard work. She called omexom. How

2063
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 3: were the actual people who pulled the nuts out? And

2064
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 3: asked the chief executive can you come on? His name

2065
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 3: is Mourne Green. Mournee said yes, he'll come on the show,

2066
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 3: come on the Shaw And then she said but then

2067
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 3: he rang us back, and then he was like, knock,

2068
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 3: come on the show. And she's like, why can't you

2069
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 3: come on the show? I got nothing more to add.

2070
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 3: She's like hmm. So she was not happy. So she

2071
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 3: went to daddy. She went to Simon Simon Brown. She's

2072
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 3: called daddy, she said, Daddy, they don't want to talk. Well,

2073
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 3: he was not angry. He was not happy about it

2074
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 3: because he pointed out through his spokesperson that in fact,

2075
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 3: Allison earns one point five million dollars and she could

2076
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 3: the least she could do it just a few interviews

2077
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 3: to earn all of that money anyway, but he was

2078
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 3: too busy as well. So that's what happened.

2079
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 27: Ants Taylor Swift's anti hero to play us out tonight,

2080
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 27: and I'm sick of her. You're sick of her I'm

2081
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 27: sick of her. She's in the news for three different reasons.

2082
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 7: We have to do it.

2083
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 27: Travis Kelsey joined her on stage at a concert for

2084
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 27: the first time. Dave Grohl made a joke about how

2085
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 27: she maybe doesn't play all the music live concert, which

2086
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 27: she had to address at the start of a concert

2087
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 27: by thanking a low band members for playing all the

2088
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 27: songs live. And she might be in making her marvel

2089
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 27: debut appearing in the movie did Paul and Wolverine.

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01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 2: There we go.

2091
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 27: I got all three stories out of the way. We

2092
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 27: don't have to do her again for the rest of

2093
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 27: the week unless something else comes up and then and.

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01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 3: Also Prince William Dadant dances to her and you forgot

2095
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 3: that one.

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01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 9: Well, there we go. Fourth story says.

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Speaker 3: Bring in all the music news see you tomorrow. News

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Speaker 3: Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to

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Speaker 2: News Talk ZIBB from four pm weekdays, or follow the

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