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Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The

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Speaker 1: Mic Hosking.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts across residential,

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Speaker 2: commercial and rural news talks head been.

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Speaker 3: I mean, welcome today the Lord Police Commissioner on his

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Speaker 3: first day gets to open a new police station. That's

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Speaker 3: not bad going change coming to NCEA level one. The

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister's in s's John Grisham along with Catherine Field

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Speaker 3: who's in France, and Ron Little who's hunkered down from

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Speaker 3: bert in Britain. Asking it is seven past six. Welcome

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Speaker 3: to the day. I know the Prime minist has been

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Speaker 3: giving the obligatory round of one on one interviews to

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Speaker 3: various media outlets to mark one year of the coalition.

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Speaker 3: It contains the usual stuff you would expect it to contain.

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Speaker 3: For what it's worth, I give them an easy seven

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Speaker 3: out of ten. This is the first proper MMP government,

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Speaker 3: of course, that we've had. Labour pretended the twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: the Greens weren't properly part of it. So three parties

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Speaker 3: all signed up, all fully engaged. Has it worked? Answer? Yes?

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Speaker 3: What about the treaty bill? I hear a few of

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Speaker 3: the more hysterical cry out. Even if you get carried

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Speaker 3: away by that, you can't argue that mainly this lot

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Speaker 3: get on fine. In Germany, their three party deal, of course,

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Speaker 3: has collapsed. Our three party deals rock solid. It's never

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Speaker 3: stopped surprising me. The media busy themselves still looking for

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Speaker 3: the reason there are three parties is because they don't

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Speaker 3: all agree on the same stuff. Otherwise they wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: three parties. MMP has suffered because of two main issues,

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Speaker 3: one party's not getting on, two smaller parties vanishing while

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Speaker 3: in government. So far in this arrangement, neither seems to

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Speaker 3: be happening. All three parties continue to poll roughly where

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Speaker 3: they started. All three parties have adhered to the agreement.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps if you're handing out prizes, you could argue in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, first are the best performers for Noah the

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Speaker 3: reason than they actually look not just like they aren't

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Speaker 3: going to blow the place up, but there I suggest

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Speaker 3: constructive Peter's is outstanding as Foreign Minister Jones as a

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Speaker 3: revelation in a variety of areas, act have real heft

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Speaker 3: in the workplace, reform, children's matters, the Treaty debate, schools

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Speaker 3: and regulation. The NATS have very good performers and education,

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Speaker 3: trade and infrastructure. Downside, things aren't moving at the pace

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Speaker 3: they should be or more importantly, need to be more, more,

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Speaker 3: more needs to be done. This country is in shocking

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Speaker 3: shape and needs urgent surgery, more doing, fewer announcements, but

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Speaker 3: one year in overall there is a lot more on

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Speaker 3: the upside than the other side.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety.

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Speaker 4: Six, Yes is the talking point in the UK and

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Speaker 4: what we are doing as an organization is continuing to

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Speaker 4: warning and informing the communities across the country. So I

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Speaker 4: urge people to keep up to date with the warnings

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Speaker 4: that we are putting out.

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Speaker 3: Remarkably they're managed to make them.

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Speaker 5: With the political this government inherited from the previous government

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Speaker 5: flood defenses that are in the worst condition on record.

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Speaker 5: Now we've allocated in the budget two point four billion

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Speaker 5: pounds to upgrade our flood defenses.

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Speaker 3: Bedwell, that doesn't stop the crime though. The shooting in London,

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Speaker 3: the thirty four year old.

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Speaker 6: Male for sustained for tent life changing injuries, whilst the

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Speaker 6: eight year old girl remains in surgery, although we do

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Speaker 6: not believe her injuries to be life threatening.

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Speaker 7: At this time.

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Speaker 3: And to the war where the Russians look like they've

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Speaker 3: grabbed Britt fighting for the Ukrainian.

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Speaker 8: He says he formerly served in the British Army and

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Speaker 8: that he signed up to fight in Ukraine's international legion.

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Speaker 8: He appears to have his hands tied behind his back

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Speaker 8: in this footage, and at one point he actually appears

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Speaker 3: Higher up, the pushes on to keep the support flowing.

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Speaker 5: It's hugely important at this G seven that all colleagues

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Speaker 5: across the G seven continue to stand with Ukraine for

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Speaker 5: as long as it lasts.

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Speaker 3: Then to the rebuild of the Tories. Then you leader

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Speaker 3: was out espousing the value of hard work and success.

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Speaker 9: Capitalism is not a dirty word. Wealth is not a

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Speaker 9: dirty word. Profit is not a dirty word. But we

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Speaker 9: need to start explaining how these things deliver for the

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Speaker 3: Finally, to the Court of California, Lyle and Eric Menendez

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Speaker 3: there are today. They're currently in prison, of course for

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Speaker 3: murdering their parents. But the Lada a couple of weeks back,

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Speaker 3: you remember recommended they be recent. Instead, this is pricking

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Speaker 3: your interest. Netflix Abil a little something for you. Neither

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Speaker 3: of them have been seen in public since nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 3: The sixteen seats by the Way in the public gallery

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Speaker 3: offered via a lottery. There will be no cameras, no

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Speaker 3: cell phones allowed in the court. The status hearing as

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Speaker 3: their well it's a status. We'll see what actually happens.

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Speaker 3: That schedule for seven o'clock this morning our time, ten

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Speaker 3: o'clock California time. That is news of the world in

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Speaker 3: nineteen couple of quickies. Singapore's inflation is training the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Then number out this morning one point four four October

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Speaker 3: September was two. So car prizes are dropping, Rental properties

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Speaker 3: EU is going after the Chinese on that brandy business

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Speaker 3: as well. They're going straight to the wto. So we'll

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Speaker 3: see you in ten years and see what happens. Twelve

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Speaker 3: past six.

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Speaker 3: B Breadford that he was the other news I need

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Speaker 3: to give you best selling novelist. Of course, she's died

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Speaker 3: out forty novels over the years. A Woman of Substance,

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Speaker 3: at the age of ninety one. Good life, fourteen past six.

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Speaker 3: You having funds management, Greg Smith, morning to you, morning

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Speaker 3: you Mike. You gotta feel sorry for you in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got no engines that work, I

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Speaker 3: mean you can't do a lot of flying, can you really? Oh?

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Speaker 10: a big initiative Mike is upgrading and remodeling their long

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Speaker 10: Pretty fair and a bit of very much a mixed bag.

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Speaker 10: About another record high for the Dow. So there's been

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Speaker 3: Good on you go, well, appreciate it. See you tomorrow, Gregsmith,

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Speaker 3: Devon Funds Management, pass Ki Property Group. Decent result the

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Speaker 3: Agree about the coalition. I gave him seven out of

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Speaker 3: He's in the studio because of course parliament's not open

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Speaker 3: Labour seems interested in his wealth and capital gains tax.

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Speaker 3: Talked David Cutlip about that very shortly. They've got the

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Speaker 3: to have a vote on capital gains tax. Mike, I

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Speaker 3: don't think the government could get a six regarding finance,

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Speaker 3: as Nicola Willis has spent way more than Grant Robertson.

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Speaker 3: Just to correct you, that's simply not true. You reference

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Speaker 3: the world. Over at morning, Mike, the government is more

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Speaker 3: closed than working. That's why a nothing gets done, mikey

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Speaker 3: kidding me? How can you give seven out of ten

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Speaker 3: Isn't that a bus this morning? With a science project

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Speaker 6: Eh, it's the way, It's the way, he tells them, Mummy.

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Speaker 3: I've got the stupidest poll of the year just before seven.

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Speaker 3: This is right up there with it. Anyway, It's got

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Speaker 3: King Richard vibes that we told you about the other day.

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Speaker 3: I remember King Richard. They recreated King Richard's voice. That

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Speaker 3: it's kind to recreate the voice of a dead person.

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Speaker 6: It takes out a word there to successfully recreate the

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Speaker 11: Oh that's on, Kenny.

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Speaker 3: So I've changed two million for that. I'm just saying.

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Speaker 3: with his voice in the next decade, right, Oh, David

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Speaker 3: candl If haven't heard from him for ages, so we'll

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Speaker 3: get a get a vibe. So the vote on the taxes,

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Speaker 3: of finesse it. That's what they're looking at this weekend anyway.

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Speaker 3: Head be Wicked's done well over the weekend in Britain,

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Speaker 3: top grossing opening weekend of any Broadway musical adaptation ever

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving holiday since twenty thirteen, so that's encouraging. Movies are

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Speaker 3: And I know that the pen's threatened. You would bring

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Speaker 3: I'm now former leader and Finance spokesperson David Cunliff is

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Speaker 3: with us on this David, morning to you, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Make the history of it and the various attempts within

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Speaker 3: How will that play do you think this weekend?

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Speaker 12: As you say, it's an idea that's been around a

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Speaker 12: It's almost I would have thought a no brainer. But

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Speaker 13: I don't have any.

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Speaker 12: Side knowledge on this, but my sense is that both

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Speaker 12: There's a lot of reasons why you do the CGT.

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Speaker 12: It's fair, it takes a little bit of the heat

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Speaker 12: you can use it for it can come tax offset

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Speaker 3: And love you do you offset it with some sort

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Speaker 3: way you've just sold it.

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Speaker 12: I think it's very possible to over time use it

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Speaker 12: Just bordance tax basement means can give off sets elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: What about the politics of it, Say you're going and

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Speaker 3: if the pollcasters are right, you've got some real growth

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Speaker 3: How do you sell that in an election?

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Speaker 12: You Well, firstly, this is new. In the last couple

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Speaker 12: voters I know would also support a CGT. Not so

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Speaker 12: a wealth tax. I mean a wealth tax has got

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Speaker 12: I think that's a much risky proposition. I think Labour

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Speaker 12: low rate board based CGT.

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Speaker 3: Good insight, appreciate it. David Candler, former Labour Party leader,

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Speaker 3: of course, ninety minute away from seven, Mike, how do

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Speaker 3: you fix a country with no money? Previous government spent

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Speaker 3: money we didn't have for six years. Be very careful

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Speaker 3: what you wish for, Mike. When the Labour Party justifies

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Speaker 3: introducing attacks like CGT because of other countries having it,

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Speaker 3: I find that a week and lazy excuse, Mike. I

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Speaker 3: can get out of the capital gainst tax. I just

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Speaker 3: leave the country. Well, the problem with that, Keith is

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Speaker 3: you've just heard most countries have a CGT, so you'd

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Speaker 3: leave the country to walk into a CGT. Mike, maybe

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Speaker 3: some of your correspondences who gave this government a six

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Speaker 3: can't make chicken salad out of chicken. You know what.

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Speaker 3: EP CGT's been well received. Mike's CGT is certainly a

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Speaker 3: no brainer if you want to ensure this country loses

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Speaker 3: what's left of its First World status. Mike. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Label will vote for a CGT. That's all they know

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Speaker 3: is tax. Mike. Labour's issue with raising revenue by whatever

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Speaker 3: sort of tax has nothing to do with how they

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Speaker 3: gather the revenue. Their repeated record shows they will squander

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Speaker 3: ineffectively whatever they managed to extort. Mike, all Labour can

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Speaker 3: strategize about is how to take more of the pie,

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Speaker 14: Sixteen to two International Correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance

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Speaker 3: Business chasin feel very good. Choose them only for you

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Speaker 3: very good, which is right, Give the uptick if you

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Speaker 3: want in the War House. The G seven handling all

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Speaker 15: Oh, the G seven Foreign Ministers meeting at the moment,

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Speaker 15: initially just outside of Rome. There is real concern that

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Speaker 15: Ukraine is now entering what it's third winter of the war.

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Speaker 15: We're seeing the American sector of state. Lincoln's the meeting,

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Speaker 15: trying to push thing through because this, of course will

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Speaker 15: seven Foreign Ministers. Today, well, Monday, in fact, the big

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Speaker 15: which is Israel's Middle East. They're hoping that they could

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Speaker 15: joined at the meeting by various representatives of Middle East nations.

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Speaker 15: Haven't heard anything from that yet.

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Speaker 1: But also I.

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Speaker 15: Think we're going to at Tuesday, which is going to

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Speaker 15: be the big day when they look at Ukraine. They've

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Speaker 15: got certainly looking through different eyes, Mike, because it's not

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Speaker 15: forget last week that President Putin said that Keith's use

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Speaker 15: of those American and British longer range missiles had completely

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Speaker 15: changed the dimension of the conflict in Ukraine. It said

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Speaker 15: that was now a sort of a war, let's say,

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Speaker 15: a war that's got the characteristics of a global war.

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Speaker 15: So they're going to be looking at that, looking at

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Speaker 15: how they can possibly maintain the military and economic supplies

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Speaker 15: to Ukraine, bearing a mind that in early twenty twenty five,

448
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Speaker 15: Donald Trump will return to the Oval Office and then

449
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Speaker 15: the cards will be shuffled around. Our meantime, Europe has

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Speaker 15: Ukraine on its doorstep exactly.

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Speaker 3: So last week we were talking about the ferns and

452
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Speaker 3: swedes and all of that, and they're handing out brochures

453
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Speaker 3: to get ready for a war and how to survive

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Speaker 3: for three weeks and all that sort of Now we've

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Speaker 3: got bunkers and shelters in Germany. Is there really that

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Speaker 3: over the level of genuine fear?

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Speaker 15: There's a fear among a lot of people that not

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Speaker 15: enough as being seen to be done against the possible threat.

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Speaker 15: And I think this is coming more not so much

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Speaker 15: from what's actually happening in Ukraine, but more from what

461
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Speaker 15: a lot of the military people are telling us about

462
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Speaker 15: that this is a different type of war now that

463
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Speaker 15: Western Europe is having to deal with all sorts of

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Speaker 15: attacks against critical infrastructure. It just looked last week two

465
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Speaker 15: telecom cables were severed in the Baltics. We're seeing what

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Speaker 15: just a couple of months ago was in July and

467
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Speaker 15: Leipzig and Germany, and scendury devices hidden in pustles and warehouses,

468
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Speaker 15: disinformation campaigns. There's just a lot of people thinking, Wow,

469
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Speaker 15: there's a lot going on. The French head of the

470
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Speaker 15: Armed Forces has said quite clearly in an interview that

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Speaker 15: NATO doesn't have the tools for this type of what

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Speaker 15: he called a sort of gray zone competition, which involves

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Speaker 15: critical infrastructure. So I think that is where we're looking at,

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Speaker 15: and which is why, of course, in the last couple

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Speaker 15: of days we've see the Germans admitt that they're going

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Speaker 15: to come up with an app that people will be

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Speaker 15: able to look at on the telephones, which will show

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Speaker 15: places they can go bunkers, underground train stations in case

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Speaker 15: they need urgent shelter.

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Speaker 3: Wow, how's Lopin going to bring down the government? I

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Speaker 3: thought she's busy in court.

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Speaker 15: Ah, she's busy in court too. Final down that is

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Speaker 15: going to be Friday, what she's said. And she came

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Speaker 15: out of a meeting with the Prime Minister on Monday morning,

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Speaker 15: saying that there are certain red lines she's got with

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Speaker 15: next year's budget, and she said that the Prime Minister

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Speaker 15: didn't seem to be listening to her, that the Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister just told her back what was going to be

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Speaker 15: in the budget. So here's what happens back. They're not

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Speaker 15: going to get through the budget through Parliament, so they're

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Speaker 15: going to have to put it through on a decree.

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Speaker 15: Lapen has said if they try and put it through

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Speaker 15: on a decree, she will vote a centsire motion as

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Speaker 15: she'll go for a cential motion again the government. Now

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Speaker 15: that could also be agreed with the far Laft who

496
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Speaker 15: are also anti this particular government, anti this budget, and

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Speaker 15: they have said if he tries to push it on

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Speaker 15: a decree, they of course will vote for an essential motion.

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Speaker 15: So all eyes on December eighteenth, which is when this

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Speaker 15: budget has to go through.

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Speaker 3: By fantastic, you are so good, we'll get you back Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Catherine Field in France Boris this morning, just before we

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Speaker 3: leave Europe. By the way, in Romania they been having

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Speaker 3: a vote for the presidency. There's a guy called Jiugescu

505
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Speaker 3: who has won the first round of the elections. Is

506
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Speaker 3: this surprising. Oh yes it is, because most pre election

507
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Speaker 3: polls have projected he would receive single digit support. What

508
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Speaker 3: he ended up with was twenty two point nine four

509
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Speaker 3: let's call that twenty three percent, and he's won it.

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Speaker 3: He's an ultranationalist, he opposes military aid for the Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: He's mainly campaigned on TikTok and he's popular. Fell short

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Speaker 3: of the fifty percent. So he's up against a woman

513
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Speaker 3: called Lasconi, who's the leader of the opposition center right

514
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Speaker 3: Union Save Romania USR party, who came second at nineteen

515
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Speaker 3: point one seven percent of the vote, and they will

516
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Speaker 3: have a runoff in December the eighth. So another one

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Speaker 3: of these interesting elections to watch. Eleven away from seven.

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Speaker 2: My costing breakfast with a Veta Retirement, Communities, News Talks, ADVs.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting. It's reading a very good piece yesterday on

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Speaker 3: the success of Putin's war from the Russian point of view,

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Speaker 3: and a bit of polling's been done and there's a

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Speaker 3: growing well, a couple of things happening. One, a good

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Speaker 3: number of people want some sort of initiation of peace talks,

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Speaker 3: but equally, at the same time, the number of people

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Speaker 3: who accept the use of nuclear weapons is rising. So

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Speaker 3: almost half of these people surveyed in Russia found the

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Speaker 3: use of nuclear weapons unacceptable, and that's a slight increase

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Speaker 3: since last year, wh the number who considered it acceptable

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Speaker 3: was thirty four percent. So of course they don't hear

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Speaker 3: a lot of it, you know. They what's really going

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Speaker 3: on versus what Putin tells him is going on is

532
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Speaker 3: two different things. What exactly is you're share of the

533
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Speaker 3: money someone else has worked hard to earn. Labour seems

534
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Speaker 3: to think it's the majority of it. Well, that's true.

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Speaker 3: Look at the top tax rate in this country. It's

536
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Speaker 3: thirty nine cents add GST on front that you're well

537
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Speaker 3: in excess of half of everything you and you're handing

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Speaker 3: over to the government. It's always interesting how labor want tax, Mike,

539
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Speaker 3: don't tell me what it's for, just we just want it.

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Speaker 3: If we trusted labor with capital gains, it might be fine,

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Speaker 3: but we certainly don't. The role model of Singapore or

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Speaker 3: Hong Kong, the Switzerland, no CGT, simple tax and as

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Speaker 3: little as possible is the answer. Sex away from seven

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Speaker 3: all the ins and the ouse.

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Speaker 1: It's the fizz with business favor.

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Speaker 2: Take your business productivity to the next level, right.

547
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Speaker 3: Buttle up, This is insane. Tourism industry is calling. Next

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Speaker 3: year twenty twenty five, economies start to pick back up

549
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Speaker 3: and we start to apparently start to travel. So booking

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Speaker 3: dot Com has asked us what we're looking at doing

551
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Speaker 3: next year. Nine key things. One I don't even know

552
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Speaker 3: that I'll get through nine because one I'll run out

553
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Speaker 3: of time, will be on my head, I'll explode.

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Speaker 2: One.

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Speaker 3: The first is called noc tourism. We're fascinated with space

556
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Speaker 3: and the universe and we want to do more around that.

557
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Speaker 3: So first of all, we can't. There's no ability to

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Speaker 3: go anywhere, so that's a complete nutter waste of time.

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Speaker 3: Two immortality. We are increasingly prioritizing wellness. Fifty nine percent

560
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Speaker 3: want to go on a longevity retreat. Forty eight percent

561
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Speaker 3: they do a holiday that has the sole purpose of

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Speaker 3: extending your life. Thirty six percent would travel for cryotherapy.

563
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Speaker 3: Once again, complete crap. I understand the extending your life

564
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Speaker 3: going to a wellness place, I fully get that, but

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Speaker 3: cryotherapy is not a holiday destination. Three AI itineries sixty

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Speaker 3: eight percent of us apparently going to use AI to

567
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Speaker 3: help plan the trip. Four multi gen mega trips. So

568
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Speaker 3: we're shifting our focus from saving for the future to

569
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Speaker 3: creating lasting memories with trips. Your memories are a thing.

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Speaker 3: Travel Tuesday, so youve got Black Friday, Cyber Monday. Travel

571
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Speaker 3: Tuesday is now increasingly a thing. So people want to

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Speaker 3: buy experiences. So fifty four percent of baby boom has

573
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Speaker 3: already displashed the cash sixty five percent, so they pay

574
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Speaker 3: for their kids or grandkids to come along as well.

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Speaker 3: Boys to zen as number five rise in men only trips.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's an age old thing, isn't it really

577
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Speaker 3: going off with the blokes sex ageless adventures. We don't

578
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Speaker 3: like the idea of a quiet retirement. Twenty five percent.

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Speaker 3: They want to push the boundaries of their comfort zones

580
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Speaker 3: and their older age. Neuro seven neuro inclusive navigation. This

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Speaker 3: is taking trips that help neurodivergent travelers not to have

582
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Speaker 3: a negative experience. Whatever eight vintage voyaging fifty say. They

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Speaker 3: intend to be thrifty or on the trip. That was

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Speaker 3: the guy from her who died the other day. He was,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Fromer's guy he died. He said, the

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Speaker 3: less you spend, the more you enjoy it. I found

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Speaker 3: that to be completely the opposite. Fifty three percent say

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Speaker 3: they're also looking to upgrade and change their wardrobe on

589
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Speaker 3: the next trip. See, I thought that was just me,

590
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Speaker 3: and I don't say that out loud because that makes

591
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Speaker 3: me sound really weird. I go on holiday to buy

592
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Speaker 3: new clothes, mainly because I don't shop during the year,

593
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Speaker 3: and I think while I'm here on the as well

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Speaker 3: buying new clothes. But fifty three percent, so that's actually

595
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Speaker 3: the majority of us go shopping on holiday, So not

596
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Speaker 3: weird at all. Nine The Great Escape. We want to

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Speaker 3: explore airports. We want to explore airports with new, unique experience.

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Speaker 3: Sixty three percent of US want to experience a new airport.

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Speaker 3: Fifty six percent say now this, but it's true. Fifty

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Speaker 3: six percent say we feel less stressed before a trip

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Speaker 3: of the airport's better. That is true, and that's why

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Speaker 3: Auckland Airport is going to go well this summer. Twenty

603
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Speaker 3: four percent say there would take a trip to a

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Speaker 3: country specifically if their airport is known to be good.

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Speaker 3: That's not as wacky as you think, because you will.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people I know, including myself, avoid La

607
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Speaker 3: for that exact reason. I flew to America last year

608
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Speaker 3: to New York via San Francisco for exactly that reason,

609
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Speaker 3: to avoid LA. And that's why CHANGI so popular. It's

610
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Speaker 3: why do buy so popular? The seamless experience. Anyway, the

611
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Speaker 3: police commissioner two interviews in about one week. What's going

612
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Speaker 3: on here, lads? Anyway, the police commissioner with this new

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Speaker 3: police station, after the news which is next?

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Speaker 2: The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,

615
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Speaker 2: like my costing breakfast with the range Rover, the LA

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Speaker 2: designed to intrigue and use.

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Speaker 3: Tom said, morning seven past seven is not a bad

618
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Speaker 3: first day for the new police commissioner with the announcement

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Speaker 3: of a new police station downtown Aorkland, the country's biggest

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Speaker 3: central city, has of course, had a shocking number of

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Speaker 3: bad headlines around crime and safety. Commissioner Richard Chambers back

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Speaker 3: with us morning, Good morning, Mike. Was this part of

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Speaker 3: your contract negotiation on day one you had to open

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Speaker 3: a police station?

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Speaker 13: No, it wasn't, Mike, But how wonderful for me to

626
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Speaker 13: be able to do this on my vertest day and

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Speaker 13: the job as a place commission.

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Speaker 1: Exact on city.

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Speaker 3: Is it a no brainer in the sense that if

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Speaker 3: you put a station plank in the middle of the city.

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Speaker 3: People feel better about life.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, visibility, our presence in the Central Business District is

633
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Speaker 13: absolutely critical to safety and it's a real pleasure that

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Speaker 13: we were able to make the announcement yesterday. Am Very

635
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Speaker 13: soon we'll have fifty one beats working twenty four to

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Speaker 13: seven around the CBD and it's a passionate community and

637
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Speaker 13: it's a commute to be able to provide them with

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Speaker 13: a better police service.

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Speaker 3: I watched the press conference live yesterday. I thought what

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell said was true. Having been a beat cop himself.

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Speaker 3: The role in the power of the beat cop from

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Speaker 3: your point of view as what well, exactly.

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Speaker 13: The same as a minister. Actually, because I also spent

644
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Speaker 13: time walking to bet here in Auckland City when I

645
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Speaker 13: began my career nineteen ninety six. Is just one of

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Speaker 13: the things that we do as police officers. It's back

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Speaker 13: to basic policing in the sense they're walking the beach,

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Speaker 13: ting to know the people around town and didn't having

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Speaker 13: them get to know that us is good policing. And

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Speaker 13: so we're very focused on making sure we improve our

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Speaker 13: visibility IM presents across the country. Here in Auton City and.

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Speaker 3: What about the argument that crime simply moves elsewhere the

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Speaker 3: more present you are downtown Auckland, they'll just go elsewhere.

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Speaker 13: No, So look the city as in you know, hundreds

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Speaker 13: of thousands of people every day here, So the presence

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Speaker 13: of us is very important to be It's very important

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Speaker 13: twenty pour seven. It's important to have a public counter.

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Speaker 13: Just because we're here in the city doesn't let people

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Speaker 13: are going to leave.

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Speaker 3: Right the stabbing you'll be aware of the other day,

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Speaker 3: the garden new Market which is sort of in downtown Auckland.

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Speaker 3: For people listening around the rest of the country. That

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Speaker 3: reminds us still that there's something desperately wrong with us,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it.

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Speaker 13: Oh, look, you know, the reality is crime is always

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Speaker 13: going to exists in one way or another, and that's

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Speaker 13: a very tragic instant of course. And have presence here

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Speaker 13: in the city is important to help deal with those,

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Speaker 13: particularly across the transport network as the infrastructure here in

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Speaker 13: Autan city expands. So yeah, our presence everywhere is critical

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Speaker 13: and will work very very.

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Speaker 3: Hard to for the safety person appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 3: Richard Chambers, new police commissioned in nine minutes past seven

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Speaker 3: pasking other potential tinker with THENCEEA. This time we've got

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Speaker 3: Level one which is in need of substantial reform. Their words,

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Speaker 3: not mine. The Education Review Office doesn't think the current

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Speaker 3: curriculum is a fair or reliable measure of knowledge and skills.

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Speaker 3: A report was requested by the government back in April.

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Speaker 3: Those findings arout this morning. The ero's Deputy Chief Executive

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Speaker 3: rout Shanoda back with us, good morning. Your view generally

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Speaker 3: of this whole Level one thing, we don't seem to

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Speaker 3: have got it right. There's a lot of mucking around,

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Speaker 3: many people don't like it. Where are we at with it?

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Speaker 16: We only need to have reformat. It's just not yet

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Speaker 16: a reliable, credible or fair measure of students knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Is that the problem with the schools who don't use it,

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Speaker 3: or no matter what you do, some won't use it.

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Speaker 16: So schools are opting out as you said, next year,

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Speaker 16: lesson three quarters nationally are going to be using it

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Speaker 16: in an arm or afflent communities. It's less than half.

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Speaker 16: What they're saying to us is it's not a reliable

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Speaker 16: measure of schools and knowledge. Sixty percent of teachers say

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Speaker 16: that an example that's fairness point is three quarters of

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Speaker 16: leaders say that the credit students get aren't an equal

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Speaker 16: amount of work, aren't equally difficult. Schools offer a real

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Speaker 16: variety of number of credits. Some kids can be offered

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Speaker 16: sixty just what they need. Some got one hundred and twenty,

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Speaker 16: so that doesn't give them an equal chance. And then

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Speaker 16: when it comes to assessment, it's not equally difficult. If

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Speaker 16: you did an internal assessment something marked in your school,

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Speaker 16: you're twice as likely to get a good grade like

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Speaker 16: an excellence. Then if he did something externally so that

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Speaker 16: other schools are dropping it because of the issue around burnout,

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Speaker 16: just too much assessment three years in a row.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so a couple of things there, this business of

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Speaker 3: getting an excellent smark, you're more likely internally than externally.

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Speaker 3: Is that NCAA level one or is that the teacher's

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Speaker 3: not doing the JAR properly.

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Speaker 16: It's a bit how NCA one's designed. So there's a

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Speaker 16: lot of different things that can be offered that different

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Speaker 16: ways of being different standards, And what teachers and leaders

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Speaker 16: are telling us is they're not equally hard, and that

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Speaker 16: means it's not equally difficult for students or equally easy

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Speaker 16: for students, they don't have an equal chance at it.

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Speaker 16: Teachers are also really concerned about it not setting up

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Speaker 16: students well for NTA level two, because most students do

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Speaker 16: continue into school into level two and it's just not

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Speaker 16: setting them up with the knowledge they need.

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Speaker 3: Why isn't it top down instructed to do it all

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Speaker 3: the same all over the country, only a third offer

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Speaker 3: all four parts of a course. Why why don't you

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Speaker 3: just sit the rules, do it and then that will

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Speaker 3: partially won't it solve your problem?

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Speaker 16: So that's one of the things we're saying we need

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Speaker 16: to perform. We're saying, Look, first of all, let's have

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Speaker 16: a look at NA level one, two and three together.

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Speaker 16: There's the last three years of schooling, so we really

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Speaker 16: want three years of back to back assessment. We look

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Speaker 16: at other countries they don't do that. And then if

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Speaker 16: we do want an assessment here, as you said, let's

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Speaker 16: have greater consistency of what students are taught. So let's

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Speaker 16: get that curriculum right first and then assess it, and

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Speaker 16: then let's reduce this variability so it's equal amounts of work,

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Speaker 16: equal chances of success.

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Speaker 3: All right, appreciate it. Ruth Shanoda. The Ro's Deputy Chief

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Speaker 3: Executive twelve minutes past seven. Sound like you've gone off

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Speaker 3: on the CGT thing. I've argued this all along that

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Speaker 3: if they go to the my big thing is well,

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Speaker 3: all the forecast are are suggesting that growth next year

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Speaker 3: is a problem, unfortunately, and we'll talk a bit about

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Speaker 3: that with the Prime Minister, because of course we would

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Speaker 3: have thought by now we're starting to see the light

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Speaker 3: at the end of the tunnel. We are, but not

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Speaker 3: enough anyway, So next year's a bit flat growth wise.

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Speaker 3: But twenty twenty six election year gamebusters apparently, according to

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Speaker 3: the experts, three percent plus. So you've got an economy

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Speaker 3: that's rolling. People start to feel good about life, and

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Speaker 3: then along comes labor dumpty doo in election year with

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Speaker 3: and by the way, can we introduce you to a

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Speaker 3: new tax at the same time where the current government

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming will at least be doing no tax cuts,

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Speaker 3: no tax increases, maybe even tax cuts anyway, Mike Labour

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Speaker 3: get it. More taxesn't the answer. Can't get good people

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Speaker 3: to stay here and good people to come. Why make

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Speaker 3: it even less attractive? Mike the Great Cunners believes that

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Speaker 3: capital gains tax is a vote winner. That's a decade

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Speaker 3: of center right government right there, Mike, contrary to Kunnler

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Speaker 3: for cgteam is grossly unfair to New Zealanders who have worked,

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Speaker 3: saved and made something of their lives, only to watch

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Speaker 3: that money taken off them to benefit those who prefer

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Speaker 3: to live off the state. Kimmie Badenock I noticed earlier

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Speaker 3: on We played a little piece was out basically saying

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Speaker 3: the same thing she busies herself trying to rebuild the tories,

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Speaker 3: that wealth and success is not a bad word. And

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of New Zealanders, middle New Zealanders who

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Speaker 3: actually quite like working hard, do reasonably well and would

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Speaker 3: like to keep a little bit more of their money.

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Speaker 3: Housing very good news this morning. Confidence on the rise,

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Speaker 3: that is the good part of the economy. I can

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Speaker 3: deliberately the asp Data Confidence Survey and net twenty four

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Speaker 3: percent of respondents expect house prices will rise up from

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Speaker 3: a net thirteen, so thirteen to twenty four. That's good.

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Speaker 3: Net twenty percent believe now is a good time to buy,

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Speaker 3: that's gone from eight to eight twenty. That's good. A

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Speaker 3: net fifty seven percent expect lower interest rates still to

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Speaker 3: come I'm not one hundred percent convinced about that, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, the cash rate's going to go down tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: but banks and markets have priced a lot of that

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Speaker 3: in already. That is the highest rate that net fifty

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Speaker 3: seven percent. By the way, that's the highest rate recorded

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Speaker 3: since the survey began in nineteen ninety six. So there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of expectation there. Fourteen past.

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Speaker 2: The like asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 3: B Prime Minister with a shortly John Grisham for you

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Speaker 3: after eight o'clock meantime at seventeen past seven. Further up

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Speaker 3: the old education chain from the primary schools which we

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Speaker 3: were just talking about, universities are seeing as spike and

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Speaker 3: students looking at AI are Masters of Artificial Intelligence degrees

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Speaker 3: and are being offered at many campuses. At Victoria, numbers

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Speaker 3: are up fifty percent year on year. The program director

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Speaker 3: there is Andrew Linson is with us. Andrew, very good

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Speaker 3: morning to you.

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Speaker 17: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 3: Is this a fad or not?

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Speaker 17: No, I don't think it's a sad. I think there's

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Speaker 17: a lot of hype for sure, but there's certainly a

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Speaker 17: big change going on in our society with AI coming

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Speaker 17: to the forefront, and I think students are on to

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Speaker 17: it and want to study it.

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Speaker 3: And from your point of view, at university, is there

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Speaker 3: a structured pathway for students to go If I study that,

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Speaker 3: there's where I'm going to end up in? Oh?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, definitely. So at Victoria we've got a first undergraduate

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Speaker 17: degree in AI, and so students do that degree, they

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Speaker 17: can have all sorts of interesting jobs. I've been a

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Speaker 17: data scientist. Where can portray me zero all these big,

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Speaker 17: big name companies?

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Speaker 3: Right? And so how do you teach something successfully that's

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Speaker 3: unfolding at the rate it is?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it's a really good question, even though it's unfolding

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Speaker 17: quite quickly. There's a lot of core fundamentals that have

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Speaker 17: been around for sort of ten twenty thirty years, and

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Speaker 17: so focus on teaching those first and now sort of

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Speaker 17: first and second year and then sort of third year,

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Speaker 17: fourth year. We look more at the advanced stuff more

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Speaker 17: than the most recent things, and we do be quite

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Speaker 17: adapt adaptive there for sure.

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Speaker 3: Do they have to bring anything from high school by

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Speaker 3: way of learning or can they pick it up from

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Speaker 3: scratch given it's all so new?

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Speaker 17: Yes, So redesign a chriptrum to be pretty approachable. So

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Speaker 17: the first course they do it is no PREI because

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Speaker 17: it's but having a bit of mass, having a bit

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Speaker 17: of digital technology is always helpful, of course.

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Speaker 3: Right do you know what a charted structural engineer is?

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Speaker 17: By the way, not in detail. I couldn't say that now.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it's just reading a fascinating article yesterday about

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Speaker 3: all the jobs we can't fill in this country. And

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Speaker 3: some of them are for obvious like plumbers and drain layers.

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Speaker 3: But a charted structural engineer in one hundred and forty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year, I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 3: There's clearly a lot of jobs out there like that,

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Speaker 3: No wonder we don't have any of them.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it's a bit strange. I mean, the thing of

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Speaker 17: ai as rollover is that there's lots of new jobs

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Speaker 17: coming out as well. So even though you're going to

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Speaker 17: the program now, you might not be as many options,

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Speaker 17: lots of options, but it will be always a new

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Speaker 17: jobs by the time people graduate. So maybe it'll be

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Speaker 17: our engineers as well someday.

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Speaker 3: Stuff you haven't even thought of. That's all part of it,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. Andrew appreciated Andrew Linson, Victoria University program directly. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just that the story made no sense to me

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Speaker 3: in the sense that these are the jobs we can't

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Speaker 3: so applications per job. This is basic stuff like diesel mechanics, electricians, plumbers.

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Speaker 3: Applications per job are seventeen percent high year on year

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Speaker 3: for electricians, right, and over three times as high as

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Speaker 3: pre COVID. So you think they're applying light. There's not tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Why can't you fill the job? How can you got

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Speaker 3: so many people you can't fill the job. Plumbers have

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Speaker 3: three percent more applications per job year on year, almost

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Speaker 3: four times as high as pre COVID levels. We do

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Speaker 3: know that there are some roles that are always particularly

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Speaker 3: hard to fill. And then they cite the example of

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Speaker 3: a charted structural engineer, and the question I would ask

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Speaker 3: you is, how do you become a charted structural engineer?

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Speaker 3: Do you know you're going to be a charted structural

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Speaker 3: engineer or do you enter engineering in the broadest of

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Speaker 3: ways to become a charteds structural engineer in later life?

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Speaker 3: Financial controllers too, by the way, very hard to get

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Speaker 3: hold of a financial control.

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Speaker 6: I know when I was a kid. Another kids say

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Speaker 6: I want to be a fireman or a jet pilot

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Speaker 6: structural I was thinking charted structural engineer for me.

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Speaker 3: if you're run arguing true democracy, then I suppose there

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Speaker 3: is nothing stopping somebody submitting a positive report when councils

892
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Speaker 3: call for input. But as I look at the numbers,

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Speaker 3: as I have been around the Wanaka McDonald's stout, it

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Speaker 3: is no surprise to see those who are against it

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Speaker 3: outweigh those who are for it three hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: nine to twenty one. But then think about it, most

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Speaker 3: people don't care. Most people will get on with life.

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Speaker 3: So it's a false economy, really, isn't. I mean, people

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Speaker 3: who don't like stuff will always complain.

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Speaker 11: More.

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Speaker 3: Why Wanaka thinks it's so different or special? I got

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Speaker 3: no idea. I mean, I love Wonaicer, It's probably my

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Speaker 3: pick of Central O Tigo towns, but not because it

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Speaker 3: doesn't have a McDonald's. The district council is having a

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Speaker 3: look at the application, and for the life of me,

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Speaker 3: I can't see why it won't go ahead. You don't

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Speaker 3: have to like fast food to accept the McDonald's is

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Speaker 3: just another business, and people should want businesses doing business

909
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Speaker 3: because they employ people, they put money into the community,

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Speaker 3: and they pay tax. Places like Wontaker have always suffered

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Speaker 3: from a sense of snobbery, and it generally comes at

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Speaker 3: some point post the initial discovery by the outside world,

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Speaker 3: as long time locals start to resent the incursion. It's

914
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Speaker 3: not a brothel, it's not a gang pad, it's not illegal.

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Speaker 3: It sells hamburgers. One complaint objects to the fact it's

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Speaker 3: highly visible, small clue, that's actually what business is aimed for.

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Speaker 3: Another says it would have an adverse effect on the

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Speaker 3: visual and esthetic values. Very good submission sounds important, says nothing.

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Speaker 3: Everything's aesthetic if you want to see the esthetic as

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Speaker 3: esthetic as of value. Otherwise it's just known as the

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Speaker 3: surrounding area. We can't stop a law abiding business just

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Speaker 3: because we don't like it, or because we're a bit uppity.

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Speaker 3: And given that, and given the story isn't actually even new,

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Speaker 3: This application has been bubbling away for a while. We

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Speaker 3: covered it earlier on this year, you can question whether

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Speaker 3: all this process is actually just an exercise and waste.

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Speaker 3: Given the outcome I would have thought as a fore

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Speaker 3: gone conclusion cosking my charted structured engineer similar to a

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Speaker 3: charted accountant professional accreditation. See, there's not a question the

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Speaker 3: audience of this program can't answer engineer. There are such

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Speaker 3: a broad term, Mike, structural, civil, electrical. Each one is

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Speaker 3: a unique qualification without overlap. Structural engineer basically designed structures. Mike,

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Speaker 3: me up, but I think I could.

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Speaker 6: Probably for the reason I wanted to be a charted

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Speaker 6: one was so I could laud it over the uncharted exactly.

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Speaker 3: No, not structure charted. I'm charted. Oh you're only structured still,

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Speaker 3: but charted soon. Maybe go labor, don't hold back on

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Speaker 3: the CGT guaranteed to be an opposition for a generation.

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Speaker 3: I think they believe the polls. When they do those

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Speaker 3: weird polls and you ask people questions, they want to

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Speaker 3: say the right thing, But deep down people don't want

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Speaker 3: to give even more of the money they've worked hard

943
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Speaker 3: to do, and that's why they've misread it so badly. Mike.

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Speaker 3: I really hope we get a policy like China use

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Speaker 3: to have until recently, where there's only one rental allowed

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Speaker 3: per person. I'm not sure that coming on this program

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Speaker 3: in quoting is rules in China. In fact, I think

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Speaker 3: that might be the first text I've ever received quoting

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Speaker 3: or espousing the wonders that is China from China. What

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Speaker 3: you never know these days, Glenn, you never know, Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister for you in a couple of moments, hold bunch

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Speaker 3: of stuff to cover off there for you and John Grisham.

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Speaker 3: Yes there's a new but he's not dealing with fiction.

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Speaker 3: He's dealing with real life and it's a fascinating project

955
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Speaker 3: that he's been involved with and he's getting some fantastic results.

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Speaker 3: So we'll give you more details after eight, when John

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Speaker 3: Grisham returns to the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, The Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 2: with Bailey's Real Estate, your local Experts across residential, commercial

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Speaker 2: and rural news talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd been twenty three minutes away from it. John Grishen

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Speaker 3: back on the program after late this morning meantime being

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Speaker 3: a Tuesday morning, the Prime Minister is Weberspory.

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Speaker 11: Good morning to the Union's Morning.

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Speaker 10: Mike.

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Speaker 7: Get to be with you.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking. We had David Cunliff on the program

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Speaker 3: earlier on and Lay's going to vote this weekend on

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Speaker 3: whether they move forward with a CGT and then what

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Speaker 3: sort of shape or form You would be happy to

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Speaker 3: see an opposition party come to the election in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six espousing more tax, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 11: Well, look, I mean we've just gone through six years

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Speaker 11: where we've seen more tax, more spending, more borrowing, and

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Speaker 11: it didn't work. And we're now dealing with all the

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Speaker 11: hang ups around inflation and interest rates and recession and

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Speaker 11: people losing their jobs. So you know, if labor wants

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Speaker 11: to keep going back to that, well, you know, good

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Speaker 11: on them. But the reality is, you know, this is

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Speaker 11: a country where we need to actually we need more

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Speaker 11: capital in this country, not less, and we also need

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Speaker 11: to grow our way out of the recession, not actually

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Speaker 11: tax that way out of the recession. So you know,

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Speaker 11: that's why we oppose it. There's a lot more that

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Speaker 11: we need to be doing to get this country moving.

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Speaker 3: Their argument is most people do, which is true.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, may well be, but I mean, you know that

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Speaker 11: horse has bolted. You know, the decision for New Zealand

989
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Speaker 11: is really around making sure we get this country growing.

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Speaker 11: And you know, we have seen what happened you know, borrowing.

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Speaker 11: You know, we're now paying eight to nine to ten

992
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Speaker 11: billion dollars in interest rates because our borrowing went from

993
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Speaker 11: five to one hundred billion dollars. You know, a tax

994
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Speaker 11: went up. See, effectively, there's no tax relief for working

995
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Speaker 11: New Zealanders for fourteen years, which we've delivered. And you know,

996
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Speaker 11: we just know taxing away is not the way to

997
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Speaker 11: deal with it. You've got to grow the pie, not

998
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Speaker 11: just move the slices around.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this morning, the story is that some schools

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Speaker 3: will not be receiving their maths resources. Why I'm not.

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Speaker 11: Aware of that. I know Erica is working really hard

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Speaker 11: to make sure everyone's got the maths resources they need.

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Speaker 11: That's why, well follow that up to make sure that

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Speaker 11: they do.

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Speaker 3: But is there any reason why they wouldn't.

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Speaker 11: I'm not aware of any issues. I don't know the story,

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Speaker 11: to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Okay, basically, the union are claiming that a bunch of

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Speaker 3: schools aren't going to get the resources. The You've got

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Speaker 3: the cart in front of the horse. You've rushed this,

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Speaker 3: it's too fast and they're not ready.

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Speaker 11: No I disagree. Look, I mean we got a set

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Speaker 11: of results that said four out of five of our

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Speaker 11: kids going into high school and not where they need

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Speaker 11: to be. I'm sorry. We could sit around having consultation

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Speaker 11: and comboy all year, but we actually need to make

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Speaker 11: an intervention. We did that within a week. We've put

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Speaker 11: forward a new maths curriculum, pulled it forward by a

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Speaker 11: year to be ready to go for January next year.

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Speaker 11: Eric is Standards one an exceptionally good job making sure

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Speaker 11: that they've got all the digital tools and resources, support books,

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Speaker 11: all that stuff that they're gonna need. We're supporting the teachers.

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Speaker 11: The Teaching Council came out which I thought was very

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Speaker 11: good and said, if you're going to be a teacher

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Speaker 11: in New Zealand, you've got to have six four maths.

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Speaker 11: Your twelve maths seems like a novel idea, but that

1027
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Speaker 11: because teachers confidence to teach maths properly. So you know,

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Speaker 11: we have to do this because you know, there's also

1029
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Speaker 11: poured out today talking about NCAA right and are how

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Speaker 11: busmal it is and whether a parent or an employer

1031
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Speaker 11: or a teacher, it's not kind of working well, no

1032
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Speaker 11: surprise when kids show up for the third form and

1033
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Speaker 11: they're doing you know, four out of five can't aren't

1034
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Speaker 11: at the stand they need to be on mass one

1035
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Speaker 11: out of two, an't where they need to be on reading,

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Speaker 11: and wonder they lose interest in school and it's pretty

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Speaker 11: poor results for NCAA.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so just for the record, then if people are

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Speaker 3: short of material for next year for the new Maths curriculum,

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Speaker 3: that will be addressed.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean Erica, I know she's put a lot

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Speaker 11: of effort into making sure we've got the materials available

1043
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Speaker 11: so that teachers can go. I know we're pushing hard,

1044
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Speaker 11: but we need to push hard for the sake of

1045
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Speaker 11: pearance and most importantly for our kids.

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Speaker 3: Okay, are we missing something in the economy because when

1047
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Speaker 3: the first cut's coming, tomorrown probably fifty points. When the

1048
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Speaker 3: first cut started getting announced, there might have been a

1049
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Speaker 3: little bit of buzz around the place. The worst was over.

1050
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Speaker 3: But if you listen to what Dominic Stevens said the

1051
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Speaker 3: other day from the Reserve Bank, things aren't firing. What's

1052
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Speaker 3: going wrong?

1053
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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 11: No, I mean, I think you've got people who have

1055
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Speaker 11: a bunch of ecloists, we have a bunch of forecasts

1056
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Speaker 11: going forward, and I get all that, but you know

1057
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Speaker 11: the reality is, yes, we've still got a lot of

1058
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Speaker 11: turbulence to navigate. But I would just say to you, look,

1059
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Speaker 11: you know, we've got inflation back in the band. We've

1060
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Speaker 11: got you know what, hopefully we three interest rate cuts

1061
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Speaker 11: after twelve interest rate rises. We've got confidence building that

1062
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Speaker 11: now needs to translate into growth into jobs. And that's

1063
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Speaker 11: really where we move from cost to living, you know,

1064
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Speaker 11: with inflation, interest rates coming down and get sorted more.

1065
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Speaker 11: Now it's all about how we grow and how we

1066
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Speaker 11: move forward from We've got forecast next year saying we

1067
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Speaker 11: could be anywhere from you know, you know, two to

1068
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Speaker 11: three percent.

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Speaker 3: Who's saying that I haven't. I've said one, I've got one,

1070
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Speaker 3: you've got one of it. I've got I've got one

1071
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Speaker 3: from from the banks. They say three percent in twenty

1072
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Speaker 3: twenty six.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I mean building, But I mean I think

1074
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Speaker 11: every quarter you'll start to see growth start to improve.

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Speaker 11: But what I would say is also I also acknowledge

1076
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Speaker 11: that it will be bumpy. You know, there is we're

1077
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Speaker 11: still not out of the woods as we as you've

1078
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Speaker 11: got the you know, essentially the rule of economics is

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Speaker 11: if you spend lots, you get inflation, you get interest rates.

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Speaker 11: We get that that put the economy into recession for

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Speaker 11: the last three years. We've have to haul it out

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Speaker 11: of that now and then the last time that gets

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Speaker 11: sorted as employment. And that's got quite a lag effect,

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Speaker 11: because if you're a business that's hung in there through

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Speaker 11: high cost and high interest rates and suppressed demand, the

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Speaker 11: last thing you're doing is laying off workers. And that's

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Speaker 11: what we've been seeing.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that we are so shell shocked that

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Speaker 3: the orthodoxy doesn't work? So, in other words, when Adrian

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Speaker 3: goes worst is over. Here are some cuts. We don't

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Speaker 3: believe it and it's not right Hents. We're not spending hints,

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Speaker 3: the mood isn't right, Hents. Things aren't moving the way

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Speaker 3: they should.

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Speaker 18: No.

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Speaker 11: I think, you know, those are immutable laws of economics

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Speaker 11: which we completely are lost that we learned thirty five

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Speaker 11: years ago in this generation of political leadership just thought,

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Speaker 11: if I keep spending, if I keep borrowing, if I

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Speaker 11: keep taxing, that's what I need to do. And that's

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Speaker 11: caused the mess that we're in. We're in this, you know,

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Speaker 11: there were lots of opportunities earlier. As I said when

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Speaker 11: I first became leader of the National Party there are

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Speaker 11: amberlites on that dashboard. Start adjusting now, because when you don't,

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Speaker 11: you've got a lot of pain and suffering coming at you.

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Speaker 11: With employment.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go down a rabbit hole. But

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Speaker 3: as I look at the numbers, I mean, Q three

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Speaker 3: is almost certainly going to be negative. That's three recessions

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Speaker 3: in two years. You can't name me a country that's

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Speaker 3: as bad as that. Can you?

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Speaker 11: Well, we're coming out. We did it pretty tough, there's no.

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Speaker 3: Doubt about it. We did it tougher than anybody.

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Speaker 11: Well, we had monetary policy where we were printing a

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Speaker 11: lot of cash, a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: But the guy who's delivering it tomorrow is the guy

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Speaker 3: who did it. Well, if you got it that wrong

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Speaker 3: going in, is it possibly he's got it wrong going out.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think he's got a partner with fiscal policy,

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Speaker 11: with a government that's actually saying we've got to get

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Speaker 11: these books in order and get some financial discipline into

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Speaker 11: the joint. You and I have had tough conversations around

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Speaker 11: Dunedin Hospital and other other places. The reason we're being

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Speaker 11: disciplined about that stuff is for this very reason. It's

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Speaker 11: easy to say you'd like to spend more. I'd like

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Speaker 11: to borrow more, I'd like to tax more, but that

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Speaker 11: isn't the way forward.

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Speaker 3: Peter saw the house last week that December thirteen is

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Speaker 3: the day, if not before that, you're going to announce

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Speaker 3: the fairy deal.

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Speaker 11: We're going to make sure. Yeah, that'll be a year

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Speaker 11: since we've announced that we were stopping Irex, which was

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Speaker 11: the old project, and so we're working.

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Speaker 3: Hard on so an announcement's coming by December thirteen.

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Speaker 11: He's correct, and we'd get this announcement out by the

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Speaker 11: end of the year.

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Speaker 3: So given it to the end of November in two

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Speaker 3: weeks time, you're not going to close the deal within

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Speaker 3: two weeks on something that large. You've clearly done the

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Speaker 3: deal already. Correct. Well, we'll have more.

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Speaker 11: To say about that, Mike.

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Speaker 3: So I know I know you're say no answer. I'm

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Speaker 3: all I'm saying is you've clearly can't make a commitment.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the theories before the end of the

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Speaker 3: d the deal. The deal is clearly in place. Is

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Speaker 3: that fear to say that because you can't close a

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Speaker 3: deal between now and December thirteen, it's clearly in place.

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Speaker 11: Well, all I'd say is that we are going to

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Speaker 11: get a solution in place. It's important we get a

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Speaker 11: good one in place, and.

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Speaker 15: We'll do that.

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Speaker 3: Have you got it in place, we'll have more to

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Speaker 3: say about it, very surely. No, just just humorous all

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Speaker 3: to the extent. I don't want to know the detail.

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Speaker 3: I just want to know, is there a deal? Has

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Speaker 3: it been done? And you will announce it by the thing,

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Speaker 3: we will announce it for the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: And there's always ongoing conversation. So is it still live?

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Speaker 11: I just say to you it's coming, Mike. That's I

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Speaker 11: just tell you it'll be fine. You'll you'll know when

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Speaker 11: you know.

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Speaker 3: Has it got some rails involved? You'll know. Can you

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Speaker 3: get a train on and off?

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Speaker 11: You definitely can. You can't get a train, you can

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Speaker 11: get it, well, you can get you can get it's rail.

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Speaker 11: It'll be rail compatible. Put it that way, not rail enable,

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Speaker 11: it'll be rail compatible. But as it is today, yeah, okay, very.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, it require a lot of infrastructure.

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Speaker 11: I can tell you it's going to be done a

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Speaker 11: lot cheaper than three point two billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Is it three or four hundred million dollars?

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Speaker 11: Again, Mike, we'll have to wait and say will in.

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Speaker 3: The December of the thirteenth. He's a good question. Well,

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Speaker 3: I've got a text already saying, hey, Mike, how about

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Speaker 3: it being a bit nicer to the Prime Minister. So

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Speaker 3: that's gone out the door. How about being nicer to

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Speaker 3: the providence? How about being nice at the Prime Minister?

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Speaker 3: So by December thirteen will we know the exit cost

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Speaker 3: of cancelation.

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Speaker 11: We will have a full announcement, as we've committed to

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Speaker 11: by the end of the year, but.

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Speaker 3: It will be here's here's what we're doing going forward,

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Speaker 3: plus here's what it costs.

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Speaker 11: You have to just wait and see. Mike, I'm so sorry,

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Speaker 11: Okay Wednesday, is.

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Speaker 3: There a stabuished building between you and David T. Moorrow?

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Speaker 3: But Wykatto and the medical school.

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Speaker 11: No, look, I mean we've got you know, we're in

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Speaker 11: this stage of wanting a detailed business case for that.

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Speaker 11: It's important it gets a really good commercial appraisal and

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Speaker 11: run over. But all respect David seam was not the

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Speaker 11: Minister of Health. He's the Minister of Regulation. He needs

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Speaker 11: to focus on that. Shane Ready's the Minister of Health.

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Speaker 3: And here you hung up on why Katta or could

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Speaker 3: you expand by Otiger.

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Speaker 11: Well, we've always said we're subject to a commercial appraisal

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Speaker 11: and we've done an initial business case. We want a

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Speaker 11: detailed business case.

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Speaker 3: You're happy with the initial business case because that was

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Speaker 3: Seymour's problem. He said the cost per student's too high.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well look, I mean again, no disrespect. I mean

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Speaker 11: David's the Minister of Regulation. He ain't the Minister of Health.

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Speaker 11: And so Shane Ready is leading us through that process.

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Speaker 11: We're making sure there's good commercial appraise over it. We understand,

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Speaker 11: you know, it's a big investment and like everything, we

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Speaker 11: want to make sure we've got more rigorous, robust business cases.

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Speaker 11: And that's been part of the problem and what we've

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Speaker 11: seen and what we've inherited. So we'll work our way

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Speaker 11: through that and we'll come to a conclusion once we

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Speaker 11: see those numbers and.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me about August. Has anything happened on August

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Speaker 3: since what we've been involved for about three or four

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Speaker 3: years now. You keep saying, oh, we're looking at it,

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Speaker 3: how long you're looking at it?

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Speaker 11: I have to say it's going slowly, and that's because

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Speaker 11: you've got you know, you've had change of leadership in

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Speaker 11: the UCUST countries themselves, I suspect, but our officials are

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Speaker 11: still continuing to talk.

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Speaker 3: So is it live still in the way it has

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Speaker 3: been live or has Trump changed everything?

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Speaker 11: No, No, that that hasn't been the change. What it

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Speaker 11: has been is just acknowledging that you've probably you know

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Speaker 11: with Ko Starmer and it's in the Albaniz. You have

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Speaker 11: a change of leadership at the UK of the Australian end.

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Speaker 11: But more importantly you know that it's been slive and

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Speaker 11: it always going to be, you know, and there's no

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Speaker 11: real change from with.

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Speaker 3: A view to what we'll know more when this year

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Speaker 3: next week, the year.

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Speaker 11: After we're started moving at the pace that August countries

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Speaker 11: want to be able to work with and they've got

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Speaker 11: obviously well the last those Canada.

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Speaker 3: Wanted something tangible done by the time he left office,

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Speaker 3: which is January.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well that's not happening. And so you know you've

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Speaker 11: got claims in there from also Canada and also I

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Speaker 11: think from Japan and New Zealand, and so you know,

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Speaker 11: we're working it through with those officials, but no real

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Speaker 11: change from what.

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Speaker 3: Okay, super quick the cop thing with this carbon trading

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Speaker 3: that that Simon was involved with there in some big

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Speaker 3: international market. Given we're so useless at trading carbon here

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Speaker 3: and our auctions don't work, is this international model going

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Speaker 3: to be any different?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Look, I think he's actually done a really good job.

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Speaker 11: He's worked with the Singaporeans have actually done you know,

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Speaker 11: we tend to do as interesting. You say that because

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Speaker 11: I was meaning with the Singaporean Prime Minister and Apeck again.

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Speaker 11: I've promium it them four or five times this year.

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Speaker 11: And actually there's a lot that New Zealand is Singer

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Speaker 11: Paul want to do together more and often we are

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Speaker 11: the guys that started CPTPP. For example, we've done a

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Speaker 11: whole bunch of stuff and free trade and as small countries,

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Speaker 11: I think we can model this out, but there is

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Speaker 11: actually a need for us to get carbon markets working better.

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Speaker 11: Simon Watts is doing a great job. It's probably the

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Speaker 11: one thing of cop that I can see that sort

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Speaker 11: of came through pretty cleanly and articulately. And he's got

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Speaker 11: a finance background and increasingly climate change is an economic portfolio,

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Speaker 11: not just an environmental thing, and so he's all over

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Speaker 11: that and I think he'll do very well.

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Speaker 3: All right, good to see Christoper Luxan twelve away from.

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Speaker 15: It be.

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Speaker 3: Morning Mike and your analysis of New Zealand doing it

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Speaker 3: typer economically than elsewhere in the world. You need to

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Speaker 3: remember the size of our recessions has been much smaller comparably,

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Speaker 3: I'd see it minus one point.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I get that it's been a pretty soft landing. I

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Speaker 3: don't accept that for a minute. Ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 3: other countries have much larger recessions. I don't agree. So

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Speaker 3: I look at a place like Australia, for example, has

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Speaker 3: had no recession at all. Americas had no recession at all.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the countries that have dipped in

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Speaker 3: are you look at a place like say Germany, you

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Speaker 3: look at a place like Japan, you look at a

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Speaker 3: place like the UK. They've gone zero point one zero

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Speaker 3: point two at worst, and they certainly haven't had three

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Speaker 3: recessions in two years. Furthermore, and this is why I

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Speaker 3: raised it with the Prime Minister. The feeling is that

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Speaker 3: Q four, which is what we're in right now, may

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Speaker 3: well be backwards as well. So that is of eight

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Speaker 3: quarters in the last two years, seven of them are

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Speaker 3: backwards and that to my mind and no one's correct

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Speaker 3: to me yet, that to my mind is unheard of

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Speaker 3: anywhere in the world. And then we get boy, you

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Speaker 3: went off on McDonald's. My god, you're right. Most of

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Speaker 3: us welcome McDonald's. It's jobs for people in the district.

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Speaker 3: As for the esthetic, I hardly think a spot on

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Speaker 3: a roundabout under a hill with no lake views at

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Speaker 3: all between two state highways is the place with the

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Speaker 3: highest aesthetic appeal. Esthetic appeal andicam more on that in

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Speaker 3: just a moment date away from.

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Speaker 1: Eight the make Hosking Breakfast with the range rovere A Villa.

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Speaker 3: Mike grew the PM that was some shopping list. Can

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Speaker 3: you imagine anyone in the opposition covering off those questions?

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Speaker 3: It's not a fair plant, not an unfair point, Terry Mike.

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Speaker 3: The problem with McDonald's isn't this a tremendous number of

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Speaker 3: texts around this, and you're completely missing the point. The

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Speaker 3: problem with McDonald's isn't necessarily the restaurant itself, but the

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Speaker 3: people who frequent it. You can't stop a restaurant or

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Speaker 3: a business opening because you've decided that somehow the people

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Speaker 3: aren't up to scratch. It is a ridiculous thing.

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Speaker 6: People are going to come from where I don't know,

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Speaker 6: to go to that McDonald's that aren't already there.

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Speaker 3: And it's all the people who drop the rubbish. So

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Speaker 3: every business in some way, shape or form is involved

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Speaker 3: in rubbish. Mike Mark here and Wonaica. We can't wait

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Speaker 3: for McDonald's to land Wanker's so that's good. So I've

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Speaker 3: had two texts positive Mike. It's the rubbish that people

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Speaker 3: throw around the countryside. It's not McDonald's, Mike, it's the

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Speaker 3: customers that There is no way in the world a

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Speaker 3: council can prevent a business opening because the customers aren't

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Speaker 3: good looking enough, or the customers a low rent, or

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Speaker 3: the customers toss the wrapper out of a window. It

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Speaker 3: is not the business's responsibility of what you do with

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Speaker 3: the box when you buy a product, whether it's a

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Speaker 3: television or a car, or a car part or a hamburger.

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Speaker 3: And if every business wasn't allowed to open because everyone

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Speaker 3: was going, well, it's sort of next to a mountain

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Speaker 3: and that won't look any good. And also when they

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Speaker 3: buy whatever it is they buy, they'll tip it, not

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Speaker 3: use a rubbish bin. I mean, if that's what it's

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Speaker 3: come down to. Literally, as I tried to seduce earlier on,

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Speaker 3: the council is wasting their time.

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Speaker 6: They've probably got rubbish bins down there.

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Speaker 3: It's not Auckland. I wonder if they've thought of that.

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Speaker 3: John Grisham is next.

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Speaker 1: They use bold opinions. The mic Hosking Breakfast with a.

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Speaker 2: Vita, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News togsad been at.

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Speaker 3: A seven Cars day the AAC party. Were listening to

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Speaker 3: the Primingstan's interviewing and got a couple of interesting things

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Speaker 3: to say. Jack Smith has moved in America. The federal

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Speaker 3: judge to dismiss the case listens to Jan's sixth case.

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Speaker 3: Constitution requires that this case be dismissed before the defendant

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Speaker 3: is inaugurating, so that box has been text meantime, Speaking

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Speaker 3: of American John Grisham is back with a twister. He's

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Speaker 3: written fifteen consecutive number ones, of course, most of them

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Speaker 3: legal Drillers. Framed though, is only a second non fiction

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Speaker 3: piece of work. Part of his life these days is

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Speaker 3: working with the Innocents Project and Centurion Ministries, helping innocent

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Speaker 3: people get out of prison. That is what framed us

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Speaker 3: about ten extraordinary real accounts of people wrongfully convicted. John

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Speaker 3: Grisham is with us morning, happy to be here, a

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Speaker 3: good scene again, And as far as Jim McCloskey is concerned,

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Speaker 3: tell us all about him.

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Speaker 19: He's a great American hero.

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Speaker 18: He's spent the last forty five years exonerating innocent people

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Speaker 18: who were in prison. And he worked by himself for

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01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 18: many years, and now he has a nice organization, Centurion Ministries.

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Speaker 18: They have exonerated seventy two people, two women, I think

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Speaker 18: the rest men who were wrongfully convicted and stashed away

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Speaker 18: in prisons for as long as thirty years thirty seven years,

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Speaker 18: and Jim got him out. He got him out through

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Speaker 18: by accommodation of hard work, investigative prowess, and leaning on

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Speaker 18: people to give him money and lawyers to work for free.

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Speaker 18: And he's an amazing person.

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Speaker 3: How did you hook up with him?

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Speaker 18: I wrote a book called Innocent Man that came out

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Speaker 18: in two thousand and six. My first work of nonfiction

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Speaker 18: is about a wrongfully convicted man, and Jim and I

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 18: met over that book and became very close friends for

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Speaker 18: the past fifteen years.

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Speaker 19: And I'm on his board now. We've talked about doing

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Speaker 19: this book for a.

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Speaker 18: Number of years because these stories are so they're so terrible,

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Speaker 18: but they're also very compelling and really gripping stories.

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Speaker 3: Is it cathotic work.

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Speaker 18: I don't know about that. I think I approached it

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Speaker 18: from a point of view. First of all, it's good storytelling.

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Speaker 18: I always look for a good story. It's also trying

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Speaker 18: to make a change, trying to raise awareness, trying to

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Speaker 18: get people and lawmakers to look at the problem. We

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Speaker 18: have so many huge problems in America and our criminal

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Speaker 18: justice system, and it's not a.

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Speaker 19: Top ten issue anywhere. It's just criminal.

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Speaker 18: You know, there are criminals, So trying to raise awareness,

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Speaker 18: trying to raise a few bucks for the innocence of

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Speaker 18: advocates in the country. So yeah, it's just you know,

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Speaker 18: there's a purpose behind it.

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Speaker 3: Does it get any better? I mean, we've had similar troubles,

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Speaker 3: nothing like America obviously, but similar troubles. But it was

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Speaker 3: a time and place like it was in the eighties,

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Speaker 3: and things have got better. Has that happened in America

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Speaker 3: or not?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 18: And no crime is down, violent crime is down. There

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Speaker 18: are fewer executions this year than last year. The trend

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Speaker 18: is really down. There are fewer death penalty verdicts in America.

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Speaker 18: The death penalty is dying a slow death in America,

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Speaker 18: which is good from now using DNA to solve crimes.

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Speaker 18: So we're making slow progress, you know, we're trying to

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Speaker 18: pass laws and make wrongful convictions harder and harder to

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Speaker 18: come by. So yeah, that's say, we're making a little

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Speaker 18: small progress, a little progress.

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Speaker 3: Is it hard if you set out and you started

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Speaker 3: today to find an innocent person in jail that faces

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Speaker 3: the death penalty? Is it hard to find a case?

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Speaker 19: Not at all, Not at all, note at all.

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Speaker 18: There have been one hundred and sixty people in America

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Speaker 18: in the last thirty years sent to death row who

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Speaker 18: were later exonerated. That's why the death penalty has got

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Speaker 18: to go. It's so unfair and it's not it's not correct.

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Speaker 18: It's not applied smartly or evenly.

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Speaker 19: So yeah, you can, you can.

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Speaker 18: There There are about fifty different innocence projects around the country,

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Speaker 18: all sort of related but all independent. You can volunteer

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Speaker 18: at an innocence project anywhere in this country. There are

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Speaker 18: three here in Virginia and sign up as a volunteer.

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Speaker 18: They've got a list their cases, and they got a

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Speaker 18: list of their clients in prison. You can find innocent

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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 18: people real fast. In prison are those who claim to

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Speaker 18: be innocent. Do your own investigation, look at the facts,

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Speaker 18: and there they're easy to find.

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Speaker 3: Does it not work where you get an innocent person,

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Speaker 3: they're exonerated and the system goes, this must not happen again,

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Speaker 3: and therefore something improves.

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Speaker 18: Well, that's happened so many times in the last thirty years.

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Speaker 18: These horrible exonerations are these horrible, wrawful convictions. And you

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Speaker 18: see a guy walk out after thirty years and somebody,

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01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 18: the real killer was never found because the cops botched

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Speaker 18: this case.

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Speaker 19: Are bad and we wring our hands and say, how

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Speaker 19: can this happen?

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Speaker 18: How could this happen? Well, one purpose of the book

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Speaker 18: is to show you how it happens. But you know,

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Speaker 18: we we never say, oh, it can never happen again,

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Speaker 18: because we know it's going to happen again.

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Speaker 19: There are just too many in denocent people in prison.

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Speaker 3: Is it botched through incompetence or is it botched through

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Speaker 3: things like racism?

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Speaker 19: That both of those are huge factors.

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Speaker 18: The ten stories we feature Inframed deal with willful misconduct,

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01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 18: bad conduct by the police, the prosecutors, and the experts.

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 18: It was just almost intentional what they did, how they

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Speaker 18: ignored real evidence.

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Speaker 19: You can't believe these cases.

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Speaker 18: When Jim and I were writing a book, we'd finish

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01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 18: the story and send it off to New York and

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01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 18: our editor would call every time and say, this cannot

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01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 18: be true. These cases can't be true. I guarantee you

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Speaker 18: they're all true. But it's Racism is a huge factor

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01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 18: in confidence is a huge factor, and old fashioned, downright

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 18: what we say meanness, willful misconduct, is any.

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Speaker 3: Some of the people in law enforcement in America are

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Speaker 3: elected to office. Is that part of the problem or

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Speaker 3: not huge part, huge part.

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Speaker 18: We elect our prosecutors, most of them, We elect most

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 18: of our judges, most of them, and politics gets involved

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01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,959
Speaker 18: in the campaigns. Everything is so politicized over here. It's

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01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 18: bound to be. It's bound to infect races for prosecutors

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01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 18: and judges that we should not elect any judge anywhere

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Speaker 18: in America, or any prosecutor.

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Speaker 3: All right, listen, hold on. John will come back in

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Speaker 3: a couple of moments. He's with us from his home

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Speaker 3: in Virginia. John Grisham more shortly thirteen past the.

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Speaker 2: Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: News Talk Zippy.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past eight John Grisham with us out of Virginia

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Speaker 3: this morning. The book is framed teen real account lives

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Speaker 3: of people wrongfully convicted. Listen, what what do you hope

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 3: to get out of this book? Because I mean, once

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01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: your name gets associated with something, I'm assuming you want

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: some wheels to do well.

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Speaker 18: We would love to obviously raise awareness. We hope that

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Speaker 18: somebody somewhere, some lawmakers, some judge, somebody will read the

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 18: book and have an awakening. We would love for it

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01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 18: to inspire others to get involved with innocence work. We'd

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Speaker 18: love to raise a few bucks because innocence projects around

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Speaker 18: the country operate on shoe strings.

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01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 19: And it's it's a proven it's an easy fact.

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Speaker 1: We all know it.

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Speaker 18: The more money you have for innocence work, the more

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01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 18: innocent people you can get out to hire experts and

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01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 18: testing and lawyers and all that. So they're all desperate

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01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 18: for cash. Every instance project in America is strapped for cash,

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Speaker 18: and we're trying to raise a few bucks.

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Speaker 3: Is it also true to say that if you are

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Speaker 3: arrested and you do have money, you can afford better

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01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 3: legal representation, and maybe if you are innocent, you don't

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Speaker 3: end up on death row.

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Speaker 19: I have never met a wealthy person on death row.

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Speaker 19: They're not there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're not there, So you can get if you

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Speaker 3: get a good lawyer. The case I was reading the

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Speaker 3: day a guy called Roubison, Robert Robinson. He was due

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Speaker 3: for execution. You were involved in this case. He was

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Speaker 3: due for execution seventeen October. Was he executed.

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Speaker 18: No, he got a miracle to stay at the last moment,

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01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 18: but ninety minutes to go. This is Texas, Okay, so

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Speaker 18: the deck is stacked against him. We're still in court

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01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 18: his law. He has a huge legal team because he's

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Speaker 18: innocent and we have experts to prove it. We're trying

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01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 18: to get the Texas course to take another look, and

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Speaker 18: they don't want to, so we're fighting. He is about

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Speaker 18: to probably get another execution date, which will be setting

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Speaker 18: ninety days down the road. So we're about to go

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Speaker 18: through the whole process again. We had a miracle last time.

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01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 18: We'll try it again. Missouri had a guy a few

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01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 18: years ago who had his last meal three times. Okay,

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01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 18: he was given his last meal talk about cruel, cruel.

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Speaker 18: Poor guy's about to die, it's.

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Speaker 19: His last meal.

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 18: Three times, last minute's day goes back to his cell.

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01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 18: That happens all the time over here. It's a crazy system.

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Speaker 3: How do you not become I mean, I'm sure you are,

1509
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 3: but how do you not become sort of consumed with

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01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: emotion once you evolve yourself with these cases.

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Speaker 18: I'm not emotional, so I don't get emotional over things

1512
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 18: I can't control. I've never witnessed an execution. I'm sure

1513
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 18: that would have a huge impact on me. I've talked

1514
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Speaker 18: to lawyers who have, and they all say, don't do it, Just.

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Speaker 3: Don't do it.

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Speaker 18: If you could avoid it, that would be very emotional.

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Speaker 18: I get emotional when they walk out of PRISM. When

1518
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 18: these guys walk out after twenty five years and their

1519
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 18: mothers are waiting on them, and their mothers never lost hope,

1520
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 18: that mothers always knew they were innocent, and they and

1521
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 18: we finally proved that. Somebody proves it on me, some

1522
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 18: in this instance, groups, some lawyer proves it. They get

1523
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 18: the DNA testing, they walk out of PRISM and there's

1524
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,839
Speaker 18: not a dry eye anywhere. Once a year at Centurion ministries.

1525
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 18: Jim mccloskey's group in Princeton, he has a family weekend.

1526
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 18: All of his exoneries come back and they bring their

1527
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 18: wives and kids and what their grandkids, and it's a

1528
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 18: huge it's a huge weekend. I've been there several times,

1529
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 18: and there are times there's not a dry eye anywhere.

1530
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 18: You just you know, you're all wrapped up in these

1531
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 18: guys who have suffered so much and now they're free.

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Speaker 19: So it's a there's a lot of emotion at certain times.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Well, I hope the book goes well, and I

1534
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 3: hope it draws a lot of attention to the issue.

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: While we've got you, I cannot go past what's happened

1536
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks, and you'll find country.

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01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: What do you ma in Cabitoal, I.

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Speaker 18: Don't know where to start. I mean, it's we're all traumatized.

1539
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 18: We uh, we we're just kind of sleep walking through

1540
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 18: the aftermath of a nightmare. And you know, my friends

1541
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 18: and I we were we're sort of tired of talking

1542
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 18: about all the things that went wrong, and now we're

1543
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 18: braced for another chaotic day in the world of American government,

1544
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 18: and it hadn't even really started yet. To have to

1545
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 18: have for one man to have this much power with

1546
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 18: the Congress and the courts, and to have such a

1547
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 18: lack of common sense, it's going to be a disaster.

1548
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Speaker 18: Uh So we're kind of bracing ourselves for like four

1549
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 18: years we've never seen before.

1550
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Speaker 19: I feel sorry for.

1551
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 18: The rest of the world because you know, the rest

1552
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 18: of the world kind of depends on us to be

1553
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 18: the democratic uh not savior but monitor of the world,

1554
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 18: the heartbeat of the world.

1555
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 19: And we know our democracy is really really in danger

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01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 19: right now.

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Speaker 3: So you would argue sixteen through twenty versus twenty four

1558
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 3: through twenty eight. Twenty four through twenty eight, it's going

1559
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 3: to be worse than sixteen through twenty.

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01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 18: Much worse because back then, at sixteen through twenty, he

1561
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 18: was facing reelection, so he had to at least think

1562
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 18: about what he was doing and how it might affect

1563
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 18: his chances to get reelected.

1564
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 19: Now he's not, He doesn't have that burden anymore. He

1565
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 19: is free to do whatever he wants, and he wants

1566
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 19: to be a dictator.

1567
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 18: He said that he wants to be a fascist dictator,

1568
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 18: that he admires those people and he will try We

1569
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 18: have no idea of this stuff.

1570
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 19: He's gonna try.

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Speaker 18: He will try in many ways to get filthy rich,

1572
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Speaker 18: and he probably will. He'll punish his enemies, He'll purge

1573
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Speaker 18: the government. You know it's going to be They're going

1574
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 18: to round up around up a lot of illegal immigrants.

1575
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 19: And ship them somewhere know where they're going.

1576
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 18: That could have a huge impact on the economy because

1577
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 18: those people are the workers.

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 19: It's you know, it's a nightmare. It's a total nightmare.

1579
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Speaker 3: It is a great pleasure as always to have you

1580
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 3: on the program. By the way, before we took next time,

1581
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 3: I have you with a significant birthday in the early

1582
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 3: part of next year.

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Speaker 19: The Big seven zero you got.

1584
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 18: My wife used to plan a birthday party, and I'm

1585
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 18: not sure I want to do that. I have to

1586
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 18: pass quietly. You know, I don't celebrate birthday. I'm happy

1587
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 18: for them now. I'm happy for birthdays because I've lost

1588
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 18: so many friends who didn't make it to seventy.

1589
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 19: But you know, I'll be happy, but I just keep

1590
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 19: it quiet.

1591
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Speaker 3: Go well. John Grisham Framed is the book at say

1592
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Speaker 3: twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The mic Hosking Breakfast with Dailey's Real Estate and News talks.

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Speaker 3: Be living independently in a retirement community doesn't mean that

1595
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Speaker 3: you know, can't have a little bit of extra help

1596
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Speaker 3: from time to time, and our Vida's service department that's

1597
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Speaker 3: perfect for when you're living independently. You might like a

1598
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Speaker 3: few extra services that are tailored to suit you. Maybe

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Speaker 3: you'd like, you know, some home cleaning once a month,

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Speaker 3: the beating wash once a week, delicious hot meal every

1601
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Speaker 3: Monday night. These are tailored services that work around your routine.

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Speaker 3: Can include laundry and meals and cleaning, with some care

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Speaker 3: assistance options there as well. If you want, a service

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Speaker 3: department can give you more time to focus on the

1605
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Speaker 3: important things like your interests in your family and friends

1606
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Speaker 3: of course, so keep living independently in an our Vedas

1607
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Speaker 3: service department with reassurance that you're getting a little bit

1608
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Speaker 3: of help behind the scenes when you need it. So

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Speaker 3: our Veda they got this range of lifestyle opportunities available.

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Speaker 3: So it's a terrific time to be thinking about where

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Speaker 3: you'd like to be living in twenty twenty five. So

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Speaker 3: to find our Vida communities with service departments near you,

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Speaker 3: Vida Arvda, Vida dot Co dot NZ has kept hey

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Speaker 3: twenty six week talk with the Prime Minister about the

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Speaker 3: business of because we have SIMA on the program last

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Speaker 3: week visa Wykato. More doctors in the country need to

1617
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: train more doctors Waikato's options the third Medical School. Seymour

1618
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 3: suggested he wasn't particularly keen on it. He's seeing the paperwork.

1619
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister doesn't seem to be agreeing with him,

1620
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Speaker 3: says he's not. The Minister of Health well active suppliers

1621
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 3: with the Treasury document on Wayikato Hospital. So one of

1622
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 3: the things they said was as follows, the Treasury does

1623
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 3: not support this Cabinet paper and the recommendation to progress

1624
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 3: to detailed business case. We instead recommen and you ask

1625
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 3: the Minister of Health to seek broader cost alternative options.

1626
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 3: Another point they made is New Zealand is experiencing, yes,

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Speaker 3: increasing shortage of doctors, but we do not consider that

1628
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 3: progressing with this investment pathway represents the best value for money. Now,

1629
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 3: obviously governments don't have to take treasure or advice, and

1630
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 3: half the time they don't. But Seymour's point as Minister

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Speaker 3: of Regulation is that if it's going to cost a

1632
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: million dollars a student surely there are better ways to

1633
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 3: go about doing it, and you don't have to eat

1634
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 3: the cost of all the hardware that comes with it.

1635
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 3: So anyway that stashes yet to unfold them just waving

1636
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 3: the flag. So when it becomes news, you can go

1637
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: hang on wherever heard that before? And the answer is

1638
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 3: on the mic asking breakfast weather bad bad weather. Rod's

1639
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 3: in the middle of it. He's with us directly after

1640
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Speaker 3: the news, which is next.

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Speaker 2: Your trusted source for news and fuse the mic hosking

1642
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 2: breakfast with the range Rover vi La designed to intrigue,

1643
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Speaker 2: can use togs.

1644
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Speaker 3: Dead be half past nine Monday night in Israel. The

1645
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 3: only reason I mentioned that is tomorrow, which is Tuesday.

1646
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: There time the cabinet is going to be voting on

1647
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: a cease fire deal with Lebanon Netnya, who signaled his approval.

1648
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 3: It's with Hezbollah, obviously because it's Lebanon. They've got reservations

1649
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: apparently Israel, don't they always. They're still working through those bits.

1650
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 3: There will be no vote and no deal unless they

1651
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: can get those last minute things sorted. But if they

1652
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: can get those last minute things sorted, the feeling is

1653
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 3: certainly they're going to have a crack and it may

1654
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 3: well come to past tomorrow. So this time tomorrow it

1655
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 3: might well be something we're talking about. Twenty three minutes

1656
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 3: away from.

1657
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Speaker 14: Nine International correspondence with ends in eye Insurance, peace of

1658
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 14: mind for New Zealand business in Britain, the Great.

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Speaker 7: Roderick little morning to you, Good morning, may how you

1660
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 7: doing so?

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Speaker 3: I was just mentioning Israel, as you probably heard that thing,

1662
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 3: the inference over the weekend from the UK out of

1663
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Speaker 3: the ICC decision that if Netna whoever lands at Heathrow,

1664
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 3: they might nab them, and of course the Americans went

1665
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Speaker 3: nuts at all of that. Was that evelvertally articulated by

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Speaker 3: the government or was that just an inference that I

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Speaker 3: picked up somewhere along the way.

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Speaker 7: In my reading, it was an inference. What the government

1669
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 7: has said is nothing. They've said. We totally support the

1670
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Speaker 7: ICC and all of its jurisdictions, but of course usually

1671
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Speaker 7: they have nothing to do with anybody who would come

1672
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 7: to Britain. We just hope for peace in Gaza. That

1673
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Speaker 7: was the quote from the flailing hapless Uvette Cooper, our

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Speaker 7: Home Secretary. I think what their position on it is

1675
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 7: now is and I think they'll be a bit more explicit,

1676
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Speaker 7: probably at some point, because it's hard not to be.

1677
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 7: Is that, yeah, we support the ICC ruling and then

1678
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 7: pray to hell that BB doesn't want to come and

1679
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 7: do some Christmas shopping in Nightsbridge.

1680
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Speaker 3: Rachel reeves. I'll get onto an amendment before just give

1681
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Speaker 3: us the meteorological update. How have we all handled Bert?

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Speaker 7: Kind of badly? I think, and I see why. It

1683
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 7: is every time any weather front of any description, homes interview,

1684
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 7: the Meteorological Office say we're all going to die, and

1685
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 7: they say it's going to be appalling. There's going to

1686
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 7: be weather warnings. You're either going to burn to death

1687
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 7: or drown or freeze to death. And as a consequence,

1688
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 7: it's like the Boy who Cried Wolf. There was no

1689
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 7: special attention given to storm bird because basically it was

1690
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 7: more of the same old, same old from the Weather Office,

1691
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Speaker 7: and so all these places, particularly in the southwest of England,

1692
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 7: but also London and the Midlands as suddenly, oh my god,

1693
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 7: this actually is quite bad. We are always, i mean,

1694
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 7: the met Office ought to remember this as a country,

1695
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 7: it is always flooding, which is a problem. We're a

1696
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 7: crowded country. We've built on flood plains. We've got a

1697
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Speaker 7: lot of rivers. That is always a big and that's

1698
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 7: where the Met Office should direct its warnings in future.

1699
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 7: But they won't learn from that.

1700
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Speaker 3: Right rightel rapes, text increases inherent and tax farmers protests

1701
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Speaker 3: and brilliant business generally. How much trouble is she in

1702
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 3: politically when she turns up to a thing like the

1703
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: Confederation of British Industry.

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Speaker 7: She's in quite a lot of trouble, certainly for a

1705
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 7: chancellor in her first four months of office, you know,

1706
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 7: with a new government just coming in, she is in

1707
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 7: real trouble. She's partly in trouble because she died on

1708
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 7: her CV about all the things she hadn't done and

1709
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 7: so on, which has given rise to a whole bunch

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Speaker 7: of very funny Internet means about her claiming that she

1711
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Speaker 7: won the gold medal for rowing the Tokyo Olympics and

1712
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 7: so on. But she's also in trouble for the budget

1713
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 7: and has been forced now to say there will be

1714
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Speaker 7: no more borrowing and no more taxes. Are tax rises,

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Speaker 7: That's what she said to the Confederation of British Industry,

1716
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Speaker 7: which of course gabra roasting, so her hands are being tied.

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Speaker 7: She understands. I think that the budget was massively unpopular,

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Speaker 7: and I think she's now in a fairly vulnerable position.

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Speaker 3: Is do people get it to I've been, as you know,

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01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 3: fascinated by it because a lot of what they did

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01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 3: in that, like cutting the winter heating payment. See we

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 3: have a winter heating payment here, right, but we claim

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01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 3: we can't sort of manipulate it in any way, shape

1724
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 3: or form for people who actually need it as opposed

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01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 3: to multimillionaire retirees. We just hand it out and it's

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 3: too complicated. So you guys, as a labor government are

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01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 3: doing stuff that we, as a conservative government haven't done.

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Speaker 3: Do people understand that things are dire and they do

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01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 3: need to do stuff and that's just the price you

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01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 3: pay when you don't balance the books.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think people do get it a little bit.

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01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 7: I think there's a number of those things. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I think this hasn't been a successful four months for

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 7: labor by any stretch of the imagination. But you know,

1735
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 7: as I've said to you before, identity the farmer's protest,

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 7: for example, resonates with the public one little bit. And

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Speaker 7: I also think this is a certain understanding and I

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01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 7: think there's an anger amongst pensioners about the fact that

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01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 7: their money was withdrawn for the winter fuel allowance and

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01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 7: yet the doctors and the train drivers could be bun

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 7: a whole bunch of cash. There is that annoyance, but

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Speaker 7: I think the rest the public's rather more understanding than

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01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 7: most people think.

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Speaker 3: Although having said that, this petition is interesting because it's

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01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 3: not short of signatures, is it.

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Speaker 7: Well, isn't it. I don't know. You know, twenty years

1747
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 7: ago when you had a petition one hundred thousand names on,

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01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 7: it was a big deal. Ten years ago maybe two

1749
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 7: hundred thousand names was a big deal. Now it's a million.

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 7: Because everyone's on the internet and science petitions when they

1751
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 7: don't like something. I find it repellent, if I'm absolutely honest.

1752
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 7: You know, I remember the petitions which were got up

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01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 7: to reverse a Brexit vote, and I thought that was

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01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 7: a huge betrayal of democracy, and I think this is

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01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,719
Speaker 7: exactly the same. It's now got one and a half

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01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 7: million names on the latest that I've seen, and as

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01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 7: KOs Darma rightly says, these are people who didn't vote Labor.

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01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 7: But you know, it's just the opposition, and I find

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01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 7: it I find it nasty, terribly undemocratic and edging towards

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Speaker 7: the sort of chaos you found in America where people

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01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 7: refuse to accept verdicts. And it worries me to tell

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Speaker 7: you the truth.

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Speaker 3: Mate, it's very well put. So the interesting thing for

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 3: me is that, I mean, obviously the online thing solves

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01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 3: a lot of problems, but it was only three and

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01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 3: a half minutes ago. You had your election, and you

1767
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 3: do have five terms, and if you were you know,

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Speaker 3: four years and eight months and then you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: you might have been. There was a lot of corruption

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Speaker 3: and scandal. Having seen all of that, don't people work

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01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 3: out what they are? My suspicion as most people just

1772
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 3: hated the Tories, voted for Labor and suddenly went out

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Speaker 3: that's not what I wanted.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think that's true, but that's the nature of

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01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 7: the democratic system. They voted for it, they've got it.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's very difficult to say, you know, to

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01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 7: say bias remorse. That's what we did. We voted for

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01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 7: the Labor for the Labor Party, and it's not been

1779
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 7: very good. But they have a five year term, possibly

1780
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 7: a ten year term. Who knows, we get a chance

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01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 7: in five years to vote for them. It really rankles

1782
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 7: this kind of undercutting of democracy. You know, our democracy

1783
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 7: is not unflawed, no question about that, there are problems,

1784
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 7: but this this is is a kind of betrayal of it.

1785
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 7: And I'm surprised to see so many people who usually

1786
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 7: travel against this while it's done by the left, and

1787
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 7: the left us itself more than the right, suddenly is

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01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 7: the same tactics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting, All right, mat go, we'll see your Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Rod Little out of Britain Tuesdays and Thursdays on the

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Speaker 3: MYC Hosking Breakfast Date forty five, the.

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Speaker 2: Hi Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: News Talks at be.

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Speaker 3: Twelve Ay from nine. The other thing in Britain that

1795
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 3: I find interesting is that Liz Kendall was out yesterday.

1796
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 3: Over the weekend, young people who refuse to work will

1797
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 3: face having their benefits cup So once again this is

1798
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 3: a labor government, and once again we get the realization

1799
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 3: that in Britain, and there's a lot of them, that

1800
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: if you don't want to work and you can't really

1801
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 3: be bothered finding a job, then they'll still pay you.

1802
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: It's the most extraordinary thing in return for those new opportunities,

1803
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: young people will have a responsibility to take them up.

1804
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,839
Speaker 3: There's nearly a million young people out of education, employment

1805
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 3: and training between July and September. A million literally doing

1806
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 3: nothing and actively doing nothing. And even when given the

1807
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 3: opportunity and you still want to do nothing, they are

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01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 3: still prepared to pay you some money. It's amazing, isn't

1809
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 3: Mike Rod doesn't like petitions, But isn't that just democracy

1810
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 3: in action? Not sure where he's coming from, DeBie, where

1811
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 3: he's coming from. I mean, obviously, in a democracy, if

1812
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 3: you want to start a petition, you to start a petition.

1813
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 3: But what you've got to understand is that when you

1814
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 3: do it, about three minutes after the contract you entered

1815
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 3: into as a member of the citizenry i e. A

1816
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 3: vote often called an election, you've got to accept the

1817
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 3: result of that election. And they have a government. It's

1818
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 3: called the Labor government, and they've got a five year term. Now,

1819
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 3: if you want to sit around wasting your time signing

1820
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 3: a petition, then go for gold. But to genuinely think

1821
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 3: it can go anywhere fruit is pointless, fruitless, because the

1822
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: deal is the deal. You have an election, you have

1823
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 3: spreaky policies. Everyone has a vote and the result is

1824
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 3: the results. So trying to overturn the result is what

1825
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 3: he was suggesting, is where he has a problem. Mike,

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01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: I've just got back from the US and the GOP

1827
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 3: will be good for the US and not bad for

1828
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 3: the will the Dems are so far left, so woke,

1829
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: it's a joke. And the funny thing is the Americans

1830
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 3: have worked it out. Having said that, I was thinking,

1831
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 3: it's not a bad point you make. It's not the

1832
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 3: party itself, it's the style of the party. So the

1833
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: Democrats of today are not the Democrats of Clinton or Carter.

1834
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 3: The same way the Labor Party of New Zealand is

1835
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 3: not the Labor Party of Mike Moore or Phil Goff

1836
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 3: or David Longi or Roger Douglas. It's a completely different version,

1837
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 3: and that's why people react differently. By the way, tomorrow

1838
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 3: on the program, we're going to be talking about the

1839
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 3: business of the cash rape. Very important day, increasingly important

1840
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 3: given that we need desperately for the next fifty point cut.

1841
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it's fifty. Everyone seems to agree it's fifty.

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01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 3: I know Greg argues from Devon that it should be

1843
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: seventy five, and I think Greggs one hundred percent right,

1844
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 3: but unfortunately it's not going to go his way tomorrow.

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01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 3: I hope it does, but it won't. A and Z,

1846
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 3: A is B, Westpac B and Z kwibank they all

1847
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 3: say fifty down to four point twenty five neutral rates

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01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 3: about three point five three three seven five, So say

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01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 3: it's three to five, we've got three quarters of a

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01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 3: point to go?

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01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 6: Is that?

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01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:05,560
Speaker 12: What was that?

1853
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Speaker 3: Three lots to twenty five feed March and April something

1854
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 3: like that, and then we're at neutral and that's kind

1855
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 3: of where it's over. And the Reserve Bank probably won't

1856
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 3: do anymore unless after what they've done there, the economy

1857
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 3: still doesn't fire. And if it doesn't fire, then what

1858
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 3: do they do? Do they cut further to stimulate the economy?

1859
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 3: Could you believe that could be a scenario we're talking

1860
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 3: about in twenty twenty five anyway, But for tomorrow it's

1861
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 3: a cash rate day. Were the full monetary policy statement,

1862
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 3: by the way, which means that everyone's going to be

1863
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 3: running through the running through the fine wording, running into

1864
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 3: the weeds to work out what's going on in Adrian's

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01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 3: head and That's quite a story all by itself, isn't it?

1866
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 3: Eight minutes away from nine the make Hostle.

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Speaker 1: Rapist with al Vida retirement communities.

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Speaker 3: Sticks away from eight mosaic brands which you may or

1869
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 3: may not know the name of. They went into this

1870
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 3: out of Australia, but it also involves us. They went

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01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 3: into voluntary administration, let's say a month ago October twenty eight. Anyway,

1872
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 3: KPMG is in charge of them. They fell over completely yesterday.

1873
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 3: Three hundred employees, twenty three Bangladeshi garment factories rode more

1874
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 3: than thirty million dollars. Are these names we know? Yes,

1875
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 3: Autograph b Me, cross Roads, Rockman's w Lane, Katie's, Miller's

1876
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 3: Non d Rivers. In total here in Australia they've got

1877
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 3: more than seven hundred stores and ten online shops. So

1878
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 3: they were once upon a time a big deal in fashion.

1879
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 3: But I don't know whether it's an individual story and

1880
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 3: they're not very good at what they do, or it's

1881
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 3: a sign of the Australian slash New Zealand economy in

1882
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 3: terms of retail. But to go to administration, to completely

1883
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 3: fall over two hundred and fifty million dollars that, as

1884
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 3: they say, is a mess five away from nine.

1885
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Speaker 2: Trending now with Chemist ware House, Great savings every.

1886
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Speaker 3: Day, Bright Golf. So they do this thing called the Match.

1887
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 3: First one was between Tiger and Phil big deal. Then

1888
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 3: it was Tom Brady Peyton Manning. They've raised forty one

1889
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 3: million dollars for charity since it began back in twenty eighteen.

1890
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 3: The latest edition was a tournament. You had eight names.

1891
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 3: You had Wayne Gritzky, Michael Phelps, Mike Woolberg, Bill Murray,

1892
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 3: Blake Griffin, Charles Bikelay, Ken Griffy Junior, and a comedian

1893
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:18,879
Speaker 3: called Nate Bargates. Came down to the end at Gritzky v. Phelps.

1894
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 3: Gritzky won, but Blake Griffin, who was the commentator. While

1895
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: Bi Clay was playing, he was sitting in a golf

1896
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 3: cart that was way too small for him, sweating profusely,

1897
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 3: and just.

1898
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 20: Got out and took a deep breath of there, smelling

1899
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 20: like Italian BMTs from subway. I can't imagine what that

1900
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 20: cart smells like right now, Ken goes, can I walk

1901
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 20: from here on it?

1902
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of olive oil of the sea.

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01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 3: I heard him earlier.

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01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 20: He's like, yeah, you know I'll do the Italian. Yeah,

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01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 20: I love owing him.

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01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 3: That is spot on, very funny. Wayne Gretzky won Brady,

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01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 3: by the way, is still they're still talking. I told

1909
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 3: you remember the other day. He's a co owner of

1910
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 3: one of the football teams, and they've got rules around

1911
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 3: what you can do and what you can't do. And

1912
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 3: he did an interview with one of the players of

1913
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 3: another team the other day and everyone won. Hold on, well,

1914
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 3: what have you gave him secret details behind the scene

1915
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 3: and he's an owner of the team and he went back.

1916
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 3: So they still haven't worked out how you're a commentator

1917
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 3: and how you're an owner all at the same time.

1918
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Speaker 3: So that's still being worked through. Anyway, that's enough of

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Speaker 3: me for the day. Back tomorrow morning FU six Have You.

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Speaker 19: Alone?

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1922
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