WEBVTT - Tāmaki Makaurau by-election: What you need to know

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<v Speaker 1>Kyota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is.

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<v Speaker 2>The Front Page, a daily podcast presented by The New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand Herald. The race is on for the Tamaki Makoto

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<v Speaker 2>by election, sparked by the death of Tepati mali Mp

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<v Speaker 2>Takatai tash Kemp. The Maulti electorate covers central and southern

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<v Speaker 2>Auckland areas from the Waitakli Ranges to Buckland's Beach and

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<v Speaker 2>Wahigi Island. Voting begins today for overseas voters. Advanced voting

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<v Speaker 2>opens on August twenty fifth, and election day is set

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<v Speaker 2>for September sixth. Today on the front Page, Victoria University

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<v Speaker 2>of Wellington Associate Professor Lara Grieves is with us to

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<v Speaker 2>give us a rundown of what you need to know

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<v Speaker 2>about this sought after seat. First off, Lara, give us

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<v Speaker 2>some background of this electorate. I understand it was quite

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<v Speaker 2>hotly contested in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what we found last time around was the

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<v Speaker 1>Marii electorates were quite hotly and contested. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>really close race kind of across the board and really surprising,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily what a lot of political commentators as it

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<v Speaker 1>had expected. I remember early on on election night suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>looking up at the screens going wait, what to party

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<v Speaker 1>Mahari is like fundamentally back. And there were two electorates

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<v Speaker 1>that went down to the special votes, went down to

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<v Speaker 1>a recount, and ultimately there were I think forty two

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<v Speaker 1>votes in it for Tama Kimikoto with Party Marti flipping

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<v Speaker 1>the seat. So very close electorate one that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>people were then talking about penn Hannaday like will he

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<v Speaker 1>continued to contest it? Does this mean he's not maybe

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<v Speaker 1>leadership or ministerial material, you know, things are being read

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<v Speaker 1>into it here and there, And ultimately, yeah, really close race.

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<v Speaker 1>And just again like acknowledging the sadness of takutamiwan At

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<v Speaker 1>tash Kimp's passing and how the unexpected that was and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>totally heart goes out to her father and her community

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<v Speaker 1>and how terrible that was. But yeah, a very set

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<v Speaker 1>of up and down events in this electorate over the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's in the running this time this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Around what we've seen as Pennie Hanna Day from Labor

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<v Speaker 1>is going to contest the seat. In terms of when

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<v Speaker 1>someone passes away an electorate. In a Madi electorate, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you do have to think will there be a race,

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<v Speaker 1>will there be a contestation, Will the by election be

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<v Speaker 1>like a full by election that is contested. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>Pena Hannadei has opted to contest a by election. You

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<v Speaker 1>could see reasons why he might not. To Party Mahrti

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<v Speaker 1>have had a selection contest. An odd Any Kuipitter, the

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<v Speaker 1>former broadcaster, is now running for to Party Mahty in

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<v Speaker 1>that electorate. So that's the main race that we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at here is Labor versus to Party Mahdi. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a little there are a few other kind of minor

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<v Speaker 1>candidates and independents running around the edges, just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>really get a bit of a voice to their platform

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<v Speaker 1>and shot to the debates and do bits and pieces

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<v Speaker 1>and get some bot get some attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think Labour's decision to put Piano Henee up

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<v Speaker 2>again kind of gives us any indication of what might

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<v Speaker 2>happen next year and what might their process be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean that's an interesting question because Farmaki

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<v Speaker 1>Macoto have a very young electorate. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest electorates in the country in terms of the Auckland

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<v Speaker 1>Mardi population in the median age is like somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenties, you know it Compared to the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the country, it's much younger. So having these two candidates

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<v Speaker 1>who are young but older than the population median in

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<v Speaker 1>that space is an interesting battle. First off. The second

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<v Speaker 1>thing for labor is labor now has to balance, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do you keep the old guard, the people who had

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<v Speaker 1>ministerial positions in the Arduan government, the baggage they might

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<v Speaker 1>be associated, wouldn't that the kind of has to be

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<v Speaker 1>balanced with the experience that they have. So I mean

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<v Speaker 1>for labor, it is interesting because it does seem like

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't had that many retirements. It does seem like

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<v Speaker 1>laborable contests and the election with a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>lineup of the ministers from the Ardurn years that are

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<v Speaker 1>still in there, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You reckon this is a kind of testing ground to

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<v Speaker 2>see how those other ministers would fare from the Ardun AIRSA.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure about this electorate in this by election.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have to be a bit careful to

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<v Speaker 1>not read too much into it because it's a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>straightforward by election. You know, a labor versus party Mahdi,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately it's like the Mahdi electorates are quite different

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<v Speaker 1>to the general electorates in terms of how they work,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the tea hunger, in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>unspoken cultural norms and ways that people engage with them,

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<v Speaker 1>they're a bit different. So I think we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a bit careful about reading in this electorate. The

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<v Speaker 1>other thing, of course, is turnout will probably be quite low.

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<v Speaker 1>Turnout and buy elections is really low. People have to

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<v Speaker 1>re engage their brain, think about politics. Are they enrolled,

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<v Speaker 1>They've got to show up, they've got to go and vote,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got to felt the form, they've got to do

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<v Speaker 1>all the things. And it's outside of an election cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>So normally turnout as incredibly low. So we need to

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<v Speaker 1>be a bit careful to not read too much into

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<v Speaker 1>this by election, although you know we are only about

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<v Speaker 1>a year out from the election. Easy to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, you would not have believed that a war went

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<v Speaker 3>on in South Auckland for that money, for that Tamachi

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<v Speaker 3>Marcoto seat. You would not believe how tough it was,

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<v Speaker 3>the different sides, how passionate people were, and people would

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<v Speaker 3>have thought that they would have been enemies forever, but

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<v Speaker 3>therefore knowing the tongue of ties them forever in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's the difference between you know, with

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<v Speaker 3>Maori politics, we will always be tied by our tutor,

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<v Speaker 3>by our fucker puppa, and by our identity. And Penny

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<v Speaker 3>hen Nadi and Tashkeb couldn't have been any closer.

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<v Speaker 2>How do Malti seats differ from general electorate seats? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think in terms of that community engagement and voter turnout?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, different Malori writers have written about this over the

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<v Speaker 1>last yeah few decades at least, about how well the

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<v Speaker 1>Mardi electorates represent something different than the general electorates. So

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<v Speaker 1>people who run in the Mahdi electorates, people who vote

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<v Speaker 1>in the Marti electorates, people who you can test them.

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<v Speaker 1>People who represent the Mardi electorates are a bit different

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<v Speaker 1>to people who marty and the general electorates, to people

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<v Speaker 1>who choose to run in those general electorates. So generally

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, if you're going to run in those electorates,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a greater level of engagement with tikong Amari

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<v Speaker 1>today Amari like just Marti customing practices language, culture, ways

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<v Speaker 1>of doing things. That's been more something that you live

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<v Speaker 1>and breathe when you compare people who've been an MP

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<v Speaker 1>in a Maiti electorate to even Marty who've been in

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<v Speaker 1>a general electorate. So that's just part and parcel of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is is they're there like it's in

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<v Speaker 1>the name Marti electorate, like you're there to represent Mardy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you have a slightly different mandate of the interests

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<v Speaker 1>of the kind of values that you're there to stand

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<v Speaker 1>for and represent, and that I mean that can be

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<v Speaker 1>quite tricky for people, say who are Marty in the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party. We've seen some struggle with that in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>especially around the foreshore and sea being controversy. But that

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<v Speaker 1>can be a bit tricky to balance those Marti electorate

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<v Speaker 1>representational interests with what your party wants. So you've kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got that tensional and that creates this mandate. So

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<v Speaker 1>we know for my research that Marty electorate voters tend

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<v Speaker 1>to be prouder of being Marty, tend to have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like engagement or culture, and tend to really

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<v Speaker 1>believe in the Madi electorates and their importance for representing

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<v Speaker 1>Mardi representing Marty people, ideas to treaty you know, Copapa

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<v Speaker 1>Mardi and bits and pieces like that. So they're very

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<v Speaker 1>the seats are very Mardy through and through and engaged

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<v Speaker 1>Marty ways of doing things in politics and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ways of being in the world and thinking about all

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<v Speaker 1>of these issues. So there's that whole kind of cultural

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<v Speaker 1>base that is sitting behind the Mahdi electorates. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>such an interesting feature of representing like a specific indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>population and culture that it's it's interesting seeing other countries

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<v Speaker 1>now start to talk about them or think about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these reserved seats as well. So yeah, it's quite a

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<v Speaker 1>different rice, a different way of thinking about or doing politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's still Westminster politics, still Parliament at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, but it's done a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 2>How significant is this seat when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 2>wider picture, I mean, Tamiki Makoto is quite a small

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<v Speaker 2>one in terms of the rest of the country. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because there's definitely arguments you can see for

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<v Speaker 1>where this by election, where this electorate could be something

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<v Speaker 1>that we could look at and say, hey, well, like

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if we see a huge labor landslide, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that will be something that we're probably going to go, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that might mean that we see a Layo landslide next election,

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<v Speaker 1>or if we see Departi Marti increase their lead by heats,

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<v Speaker 1>we will all think of, oh, it could be this

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<v Speaker 1>could be that, it could be the other thing. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a by election and quite a specific part

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<v Speaker 1>of the country. We have to notice, well that for

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<v Speaker 1>many years now the right wing parties haven't run in

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<v Speaker 1>the seat, although National did run a candidate in the

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<v Speaker 1>last election, so it's just got a different party dynamic

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<v Speaker 1>as well. That's the other thing to kind of note.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's definitely things we could read into, but

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<v Speaker 1>generally it's just kind of its own standalone contest. The

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<v Speaker 1>other thing is that I'm not sure about, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to different Mardi voters and the electorate about their

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on this is yeah, rarely whether it feels right

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<v Speaker 1>to vote and to create it make it this contest stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone who's passed on and what that means you're

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<v Speaker 1>respecting their legacy, there might be another thing that people

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<v Speaker 1>are thinking about in the voting book and thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>honoring Kent's legacy. Honoring to party Mardi and honoring their

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<v Speaker 1>continued presence in that scene. So it's pretty hard. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot going on there. I mean, there will be

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<v Speaker 1>things we read into it, but it's ultimately not like

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<v Speaker 1>a microcosm of the broader country in any way.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't those more riot? I mean, your national, your act,

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<v Speaker 2>your news Zealand first, why don't they generally contest multi seats?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, went through this period of politics around the infamous

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<v Speaker 1>Dom Brash auto or speech to the early two thousands

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<v Speaker 1>that was really a kind of turning point for what

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<v Speaker 1>people were calling race relations at the time, or Marti

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<v Speaker 1>crime relations, or politics in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>So let me begin by asking what sort of nation

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<v Speaker 4>do we want to build? Is it to be a

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<v Speaker 4>modern democratic society embodying the essential notion of one rule

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<v Speaker 4>for all in a single nation state, or is it

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<v Speaker 4>the racially divided nation with two sets of laws and

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<v Speaker 4>two standards of citizenship that the present labor government is

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<v Speaker 4>moving us steadily towards.

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<v Speaker 1>Around that time, I think it felt quite hypocritical for

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<v Speaker 1>national to be running in those seats when they also

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<v Speaker 1>one of them abolished. There was an early period in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six when New Zealand First had won all

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<v Speaker 1>the electorates. So New Zealand First and the Marti sexts

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<v Speaker 1>that history as a whole other kind of hittle of fish,

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<v Speaker 1>can of worm, whatever, whole other episode, whole other episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But now they've New Zealand First attended to move away

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<v Speaker 1>from those seats and so acts. So if you think,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a political party and you're saying, well, ethnicity,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, tatidity doesn't matter for this or that, then

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<v Speaker 1>running in those electorates doesn't really marry up well with

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<v Speaker 1>your ideology. So generally it's a case of both parties

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<v Speaker 1>saying we don't believe in these seats, we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to run in them. National over the John Key years

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<v Speaker 1>and being government of the Marti Party kind of softened

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<v Speaker 1>on them a bit and didn't run for a while there,

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<v Speaker 1>but kind of weren't actively looking to abolish them. So

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<v Speaker 1>the whole party and the way they thought about the

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<v Speaker 1>Marti electorates changed this last time round. They ran free

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<v Speaker 1>candidates in the Marti electorates, So perhaps are understanding that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, an electorate race, an election, even if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to win, is an opportunity for you to.

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<v Speaker 1>So the rooster's right outside is.

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<v Speaker 2>A rooster, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you want me to try and take it away,

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<v Speaker 1>exciting it. So what National has kind of realized over

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<v Speaker 1>this past election is, you know, say you're going into

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<v Speaker 1>a seat, you're not going to win that seat, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good opportunity to really push your views, to

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<v Speaker 1>really argue from your position, to really show an alternative

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<v Speaker 1>to voters. And at the end of the day, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in an MMP system, it all comes down to party vote.

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<v Speaker 1>So National has been running in these electorates. They've been

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<v Speaker 1>running some candidates and putting forward their arguments, their policies,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps more campaigning for the party vote, but using

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<v Speaker 1>it as an opportunity to expose their ideas to a

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<v Speaker 1>much wider range of voters. All of this is occurring

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<v Speaker 1>against this broader kind of demographic trend we're seeing of

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<v Speaker 1>They're basically being a higher proportion of the population being Marty.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty forty, a further of the children in this

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<v Speaker 1>country will be of Marti descent. We're seeing in different

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<v Speaker 1>surveys that people are really proud to be Marty and

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<v Speaker 1>proud of Malti culture. Tongue, tid t Marty politics of

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<v Speaker 1>their nature. So running in the electorates and making relationships

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<v Speaker 1>with Marty is like a good investment in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for National Is the center right party.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the major policy issues or concerns for voters

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<v Speaker 2>in Tamiki Makodo right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, from what we've seen as we've see more continuation

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<v Speaker 1>of that cost of living, poverty and equality housing type theme,

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<v Speaker 1>so we know that all around the country. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big things in the media has been

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things like the price of butter, but house

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<v Speaker 1>prices and being able to afford like a warm, dry,

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<v Speaker 1>safe home that you can afford. It's like one of

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<v Speaker 1>those big core issues continues to be in any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of polling that I've seen and always is an important

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<v Speaker 1>set of issues in the Marti electorates because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on average, we know that Marty have less intergenerational waff

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<v Speaker 1>less socio economic resources, and so that continues to be

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<v Speaker 1>a huge issue. So we've got that broad set of

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<v Speaker 1>economic issues in equity issues that I think will be

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<v Speaker 1>key to this campaign, and we've seen the candidates talk

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<v Speaker 1>about these and really signal the emphasis on these issues.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the broader set of issues around Marty feeling

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<v Speaker 1>under attack from the government. Obviously the most recent one

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<v Speaker 1>being the use of tada ra mahti in school books

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<v Speaker 1>as an example, but it seems like there's another example

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<v Speaker 1>every week or so. So those kind of political, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of culture issues, they seem to be less of it

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of when we poll people, when you do

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<v Speaker 1>public opinion polling, they seem to be less of a

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<v Speaker 1>huge issue for many voters, but it's still an issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's an issue for a lot of Marty when

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<v Speaker 1>you speak to Marty about whether you know they I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of agree with the government on that. However, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those culture issues perhaps less contested in this

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<v Speaker 1>electorate because again we see labor into party Marty running

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<v Speaker 1>against themselves. But that's that broader background of Marty feeling

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<v Speaker 1>under attacked by the current government and putting a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of effort, a lot of energy into opposing different changes

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, So that broader political context is sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We've spoken about labors, Piano Hannade and Tabati Mali's or

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<v Speaker 2>any Kaipra. Of course, there are three other people putting

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<v Speaker 2>their hat into the ring as well, you've got New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand loyals At Kelvin Alp, who is the founder of

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<v Speaker 2>counter Spending Media, a conspiracy website that popped up over

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<v Speaker 2>the protest the Parliament protest in twenty twenty two. Then

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<v Speaker 2>we've got Vision New Zealand's Hannah Tamaki, wife of Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Tarmiki Destiny Church. And then we've got an independent Sherry

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Martiner. Now you mentioned before these three kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the thought of a Kelvin out running for a Maori

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<v Speaker 2>seat obviously is.

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<v Speaker 1>Disingenuous.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think are what are there?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the point of them running?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? In the late nineteen sixties the law changed because

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<v Speaker 1>before so previously the marti electorates you had to be

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<v Speaker 1>marty'd run. Over the sixties and seventies the law changed

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<v Speaker 1>away by being based on it used to be based

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<v Speaker 1>on blood puontum and whether someone was a half caste

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<v Speaker 1>or free quarter elect that they used the date language.

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<v Speaker 1>So all of those laws changed in the nineteen sixties

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen seventies, and part of those law changes opened

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<v Speaker 1>up the marti electorates for anyone to run in the

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<v Speaker 1>marty electorates, and any marty to run in the general electorates.

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<v Speaker 1>Because before the nineteen sixties Marty, there was this rule

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<v Speaker 1>around blood quantum where if you were half you could

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<v Speaker 1>choose which role you were on. And so it's this

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<v Speaker 1>whole colonial legacy that didn't dis enfranchise a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a bike product of those law changes in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties and see fatigue. That meant that Marty could

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<v Speaker 1>run in whatever seat. And then on the foot side

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<v Speaker 1>it changed so non Marty could run in whatever seat.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, any it doesn't matter what fucker popper

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<v Speaker 1>you are, you can run in a Marti electorate. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there could be conversations about whether that's appropriate or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that this is a political time or

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<v Speaker 1>environment to have that unnecessarily, but these are the current

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<v Speaker 1>roles and so anyone is free to run. And ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what it comes down to at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day is the voters can decide. The voters

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<v Speaker 1>they have to be of Maori descent, they have to

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<v Speaker 1>declare they're of Marty descent. The voters on the Maldi

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<v Speaker 1>roll they get to decide who they elect. Hypothetically Marty

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<v Speaker 1>and a Marty electorate could could elect a non Marty

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<v Speaker 1>if they chose to and if that was their choice, again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's over to them. It's probably very very very exceptionally

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely to happen, but it could happen. It's a free

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<v Speaker 1>choice there. So for these candidates it's a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>like making their political points, you know, getting a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a platform, getting a bit of attention, getting mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing what comes with it. That's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>main agenda there. It's like when we you know, soon

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<v Speaker 1>we'll open our little books and look at all the

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<v Speaker 1>Merril candidates and sometimes we have a good laugh. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go, well, who's that. Sometimes we'll be offended. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the same sort of thing in a democracy. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>in the Mahdi electorates. Anyone can run, and anyone is running.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us, Lara, Suanna. Thank you.

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