1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Kyota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: The Front Page, a daily podcast presented by The New 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Zealand Herald. The race is on for the Tamaki Makoto 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: by election, sparked by the death of Tepati mali Mp 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: Takatai tash Kemp. The Maulti electorate covers central and southern 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: Auckland areas from the Waitakli Ranges to Buckland's Beach and 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Wahigi Island. Voting begins today for overseas voters. Advanced voting 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: opens on August twenty fifth, and election day is set 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: for September sixth. Today on the front Page, Victoria University 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: of Wellington Associate Professor Lara Grieves is with us to 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: give us a rundown of what you need to know 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: about this sought after seat. First off, Lara, give us 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: some background of this electorate. I understand it was quite 14 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: hotly contested in twenty twenty three. 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what we found last time around was the 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: Marii electorates were quite hotly and contested. It was a 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: really close race kind of across the board and really surprising, 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily what a lot of political commentators as it 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: had expected. I remember early on on election night suddenly 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: looking up at the screens going wait, what to party 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Mahari is like fundamentally back. And there were two electorates 22 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: that went down to the special votes, went down to 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: a recount, and ultimately there were I think forty two 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: votes in it for Tama Kimikoto with Party Marti flipping 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: the seat. So very close electorate one that kind of 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: people were then talking about penn Hannaday like will he 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: continued to contest it? Does this mean he's not maybe 28 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: leadership or ministerial material, you know, things are being read 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 1: into it here and there, And ultimately, yeah, really close race. 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: And just again like acknowledging the sadness of takutamiwan At 31 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: tash Kimp's passing and how the unexpected that was and yeah, 32 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: totally heart goes out to her father and her community 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: and how terrible that was. But yeah, a very set 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: of up and down events in this electorate over the 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: last couple of years. 36 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: Who's in the running this time this time. 37 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Around what we've seen as Pennie Hanna Day from Labor 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: is going to contest the seat. In terms of when 39 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: someone passes away an electorate. In a Madi electorate, you know, 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: you do have to think will there be a race, 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: will there be a contestation, Will the by election be 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: like a full by election that is contested. In this case, 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: Pena Hannadei has opted to contest a by election. You 44 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: could see reasons why he might not. To Party Mahrti 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: have had a selection contest. An odd Any Kuipitter, the 46 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: former broadcaster, is now running for to Party Mahty in 47 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: that electorate. So that's the main race that we're looking 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: at here is Labor versus to Party Mahdi. There are 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: a little there are a few other kind of minor 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: candidates and independents running around the edges, just trying to 51 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: really get a bit of a voice to their platform 52 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: and shot to the debates and do bits and pieces 53 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: and get some bot get some attention. 54 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: Do you think Labour's decision to put Piano Henee up 55 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: again kind of gives us any indication of what might 56 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: happen next year and what might their process be. 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean that's an interesting question because Farmaki 58 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: Macoto have a very young electorate. It's one of the 59 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: youngest electorates in the country in terms of the Auckland 60 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Mardi population in the median age is like somewhere in 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: the twenties, you know it Compared to the rest of 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: the country, it's much younger. So having these two candidates 63 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: who are young but older than the population median in 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: that space is an interesting battle. First off. The second 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: thing for labor is labor now has to balance, you know, 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: do you keep the old guard, the people who had 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: ministerial positions in the Arduan government, the baggage they might 68 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: be associated, wouldn't that the kind of has to be 69 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: balanced with the experience that they have. So I mean 70 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: for labor, it is interesting because it does seem like 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: they haven't had that many retirements. It does seem like 72 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: laborable contests and the election with a lot of that 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: lineup of the ministers from the Ardurn years that are 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: still in there, do. 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: You reckon this is a kind of testing ground to 76 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: see how those other ministers would fare from the Ardun AIRSA. 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: I'm not too sure about this electorate in this by election. 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: I think we have to be a bit careful to 79 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: not read too much into it because it's a fairly 80 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: straightforward by election. You know, a labor versus party Mahdi, 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: and ultimately it's like the Mahdi electorates are quite different 82 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: to the general electorates in terms of how they work, 83 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the tea hunger, in terms of the 84 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: unspoken cultural norms and ways that people engage with them, 85 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: they're a bit different. So I think we're going to 86 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: be a bit careful about reading in this electorate. The 87 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: other thing, of course, is turnout will probably be quite low. 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: Turnout and buy elections is really low. People have to 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: re engage their brain, think about politics. Are they enrolled, 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: They've got to show up, they've got to go and vote, 91 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: they've got to felt the form, they've got to do 92 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: all the things. And it's outside of an election cycle. 93 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: So normally turnout as incredibly low. So we need to 94 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: be a bit careful to not read too much into 95 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: this by election, although you know we are only about 96 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: a year out from the election. Easy to do so. 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: Really, you would not have believed that a war went 98 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: on in South Auckland for that money, for that Tamachi 99 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: Marcoto seat. You would not believe how tough it was, 100 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: the different sides, how passionate people were, and people would 101 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: have thought that they would have been enemies forever, but 102 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: therefore knowing the tongue of ties them forever in the day. 103 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: And I think that's the difference between you know, with 104 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: Maori politics, we will always be tied by our tutor, 105 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: by our fucker puppa, and by our identity. And Penny 106 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: hen Nadi and Tashkeb couldn't have been any closer. 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: How do Malti seats differ from general electorate seats? Do 108 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: you think in terms of that community engagement and voter turnout? 109 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: Well, different Malori writers have written about this over the 110 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: last yeah few decades at least, about how well the 111 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: Mardi electorates represent something different than the general electorates. So 112 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 1: people who run in the Mahdi electorates, people who vote 113 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: in the Marti electorates, people who you can test them. 114 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: People who represent the Mardi electorates are a bit different 115 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: to people who marty and the general electorates, to people 116 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: who choose to run in those general electorates. So generally 117 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: it's like, if you're going to run in those electorates, 118 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: you have a greater level of engagement with tikong Amari 119 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: today Amari like just Marti customing practices language, culture, ways 120 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: of doing things. That's been more something that you live 121 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: and breathe when you compare people who've been an MP 122 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: in a Maiti electorate to even Marty who've been in 123 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: a general electorate. So that's just part and parcel of it. 124 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: The other thing is is they're there like it's in 125 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: the name Marti electorate, like you're there to represent Mardy, 126 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Like you have a slightly different mandate of the interests 127 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: of the kind of values that you're there to stand 128 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: for and represent, and that I mean that can be 129 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: quite tricky for people, say who are Marty in the 130 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: Labor Party. We've seen some struggle with that in the past, 131 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: especially around the foreshore and sea being controversy. But that 132 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: can be a bit tricky to balance those Marti electorate 133 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: representational interests with what your party wants. So you've kind 134 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: of got that tensional and that creates this mandate. So 135 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: we know for my research that Marty electorate voters tend 136 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: to be prouder of being Marty, tend to have a 137 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: lot of like engagement or culture, and tend to really 138 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: believe in the Madi electorates and their importance for representing 139 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: Mardi representing Marty people, ideas to treaty you know, Copapa 140 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: Mardi and bits and pieces like that. So they're very 141 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: the seats are very Mardy through and through and engaged 142 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: Marty ways of doing things in politics and kind of 143 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: ways of being in the world and thinking about all 144 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: of these issues. So there's that whole kind of cultural 145 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: base that is sitting behind the Mahdi electorates. And there's 146 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: such an interesting feature of representing like a specific indigenous 147 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: population and culture that it's it's interesting seeing other countries 148 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: now start to talk about them or think about, you know, 149 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: these reserved seats as well. So yeah, it's quite a 150 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: different rice, a different way of thinking about or doing politics. 151 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean it's still Westminster politics, still Parliament at the 152 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: end of the day, but it's done a little bit differently. 153 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: How significant is this seat when it comes to the 154 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: wider picture, I mean, Tamiki Makoto is quite a small 155 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: one in terms of the rest of the country. Right. 156 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: It's interesting because there's definitely arguments you can see for 157 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: where this by election, where this electorate could be something 158 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: that we could look at and say, hey, well, like 159 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: for example, if we see a huge labor landslide, right, 160 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: that will be something that we're probably going to go, wow, 161 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: that might mean that we see a Layo landslide next election, 162 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: or if we see Departi Marti increase their lead by heats, 163 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: we will all think of, oh, it could be this 164 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: could be that, it could be the other thing. Ultimately, 165 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: it is a by election and quite a specific part 166 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: of the country. We have to notice, well that for 167 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: many years now the right wing parties haven't run in 168 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: the seat, although National did run a candidate in the 169 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: last election, so it's just got a different party dynamic 170 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: as well. That's the other thing to kind of note. 171 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's definitely things we could read into, but 172 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: generally it's just kind of its own standalone contest. The 173 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: other thing is that I'm not sure about, and I've 174 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: talked to different Mardi voters and the electorate about their 175 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: thoughts on this is yeah, rarely whether it feels right 176 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: to vote and to create it make it this contest stuff. 177 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: If someone who's passed on and what that means you're 178 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: respecting their legacy, there might be another thing that people 179 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: are thinking about in the voting book and thinking about 180 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: honoring Kent's legacy. Honoring to party Mardi and honoring their 181 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: continued presence in that scene. So it's pretty hard. There's 182 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot going on there. I mean, there will be 183 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: things we read into it, but it's ultimately not like 184 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: a microcosm of the broader country in any way. 185 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: Why don't those more riot? I mean, your national, your act, 186 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: your news Zealand first, why don't they generally contest multi seats? 187 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: Well, went through this period of politics around the infamous 188 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: Dom Brash auto or speech to the early two thousands 189 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: that was really a kind of turning point for what 190 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: people were calling race relations at the time, or Marti 191 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: crime relations, or politics in this country. 192 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 4: So let me begin by asking what sort of nation 193 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: do we want to build? Is it to be a 194 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 4: modern democratic society embodying the essential notion of one rule 195 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: for all in a single nation state, or is it 196 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 4: the racially divided nation with two sets of laws and 197 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: two standards of citizenship that the present labor government is 198 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: moving us steadily towards. 199 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: Around that time, I think it felt quite hypocritical for 200 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: national to be running in those seats when they also 201 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: one of them abolished. There was an early period in 202 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six when New Zealand First had won all 203 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: the electorates. So New Zealand First and the Marti sexts 204 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: that history as a whole other kind of hittle of fish, 205 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: can of worm, whatever, whole other episode, whole other episode. 206 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: But now they've New Zealand First attended to move away 207 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: from those seats and so acts. So if you think, 208 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,479 Speaker 1: if you're a political party and you're saying, well, ethnicity, 209 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, tatidity doesn't matter for this or that, then 210 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: running in those electorates doesn't really marry up well with 211 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: your ideology. So generally it's a case of both parties 212 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: saying we don't believe in these seats, we're not going 213 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: to run in them. National over the John Key years 214 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: and being government of the Marti Party kind of softened 215 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: on them a bit and didn't run for a while there, 216 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: but kind of weren't actively looking to abolish them. So 217 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: the whole party and the way they thought about the 218 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Marti electorates changed this last time round. They ran free 219 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: candidates in the Marti electorates, So perhaps are understanding that 220 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, an electorate race, an election, even if you're 221 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: not going to win, is an opportunity for you to. 222 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: So the rooster's right outside is. 223 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: A rooster, isn't it? 224 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you want me to try and take it away, 225 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: exciting it. So what National has kind of realized over 226 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: this past election is, you know, say you're going into 227 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: a seat, you're not going to win that seat, but 228 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: it's a good opportunity to really push your views, to 229 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: really argue from your position, to really show an alternative 230 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: to voters. And at the end of the day, you know, 231 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: in an MMP system, it all comes down to party vote. 232 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: So National has been running in these electorates. They've been 233 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: running some candidates and putting forward their arguments, their policies, 234 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: and perhaps more campaigning for the party vote, but using 235 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: it as an opportunity to expose their ideas to a 236 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: much wider range of voters. All of this is occurring 237 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: against this broader kind of demographic trend we're seeing of 238 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: They're basically being a higher proportion of the population being Marty. 239 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: By twenty forty, a further of the children in this 240 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: country will be of Marti descent. We're seeing in different 241 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: surveys that people are really proud to be Marty and 242 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: proud of Malti culture. Tongue, tid t Marty politics of 243 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: their nature. So running in the electorates and making relationships 244 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: with Marty is like a good investment in the future, 245 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: especially for National Is the center right party. 246 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: What are the major policy issues or concerns for voters 247 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: in Tamiki Makodo right now. 248 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: Well, from what we've seen as we've see more continuation 249 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: of that cost of living, poverty and equality housing type theme, 250 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: so we know that all around the country. You know, 251 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: one of the big things in the media has been 252 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, things like the price of butter, but house 253 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: prices and being able to afford like a warm, dry, 254 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: safe home that you can afford. It's like one of 255 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: those big core issues continues to be in any kind 256 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: of polling that I've seen and always is an important 257 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: set of issues in the Marti electorates because you know, 258 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: on average, we know that Marty have less intergenerational waff 259 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: less socio economic resources, and so that continues to be 260 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: a huge issue. So we've got that broad set of 261 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: economic issues in equity issues that I think will be 262 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: key to this campaign, and we've seen the candidates talk 263 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: about these and really signal the emphasis on these issues. 264 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: There's also the broader set of issues around Marty feeling 265 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: under attack from the government. Obviously the most recent one 266 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: being the use of tada ra mahti in school books 267 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: as an example, but it seems like there's another example 268 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: every week or so. So those kind of political, kind 269 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: of culture issues, they seem to be less of it 270 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: in terms of when we poll people, when you do 271 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: public opinion polling, they seem to be less of a 272 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: huge issue for many voters, but it's still an issue, 273 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: and it's an issue for a lot of Marty when 274 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: you speak to Marty about whether you know they I 275 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: kind of agree with the government on that. However, a 276 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: lot of those culture issues perhaps less contested in this 277 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: electorate because again we see labor into party Marty running 278 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: against themselves. But that's that broader background of Marty feeling 279 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: under attacked by the current government and putting a lot 280 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: of effort, a lot of energy into opposing different changes 281 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: at the moment, So that broader political context is sitting 282 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: there as well. 283 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: We've spoken about labors, Piano Hannade and Tabati Mali's or 284 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: any Kaipra. Of course, there are three other people putting 285 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: their hat into the ring as well, you've got New 286 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: Zealand loyals At Kelvin Alp, who is the founder of 287 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: counter Spending Media, a conspiracy website that popped up over 288 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: the protest the Parliament protest in twenty twenty two. Then 289 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: we've got Vision New Zealand's Hannah Tamaki, wife of Brian 290 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: Tarmiki Destiny Church. And then we've got an independent Sherry 291 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: Lee Martiner. Now you mentioned before these three kind of 292 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: the thought of a Kelvin out running for a Maori 293 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: seat obviously is. 294 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: Disingenuous. 295 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: Do you think are what are there? 296 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: What's the point of them running? 297 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Well? In the late nineteen sixties the law changed because 298 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: before so previously the marti electorates you had to be 299 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: marty'd run. Over the sixties and seventies the law changed 300 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: away by being based on it used to be based 301 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: on blood puontum and whether someone was a half caste 302 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: or free quarter elect that they used the date language. 303 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: So all of those laws changed in the nineteen sixties 304 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: and nineteen seventies, and part of those law changes opened 305 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: up the marti electorates for anyone to run in the 306 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: marty electorates, and any marty to run in the general electorates. 307 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Because before the nineteen sixties Marty, there was this rule 308 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: around blood quantum where if you were half you could 309 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: choose which role you were on. And so it's this 310 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: whole colonial legacy that didn't dis enfranchise a lot of people. 311 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: So that's a bike product of those law changes in 312 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: the sixties and see fatigue. That meant that Marty could 313 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: run in whatever seat. And then on the foot side 314 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: it changed so non Marty could run in whatever seat. 315 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: And so yeah, any it doesn't matter what fucker popper 316 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: you are, you can run in a Marti electorate. Yes, 317 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: there could be conversations about whether that's appropriate or not. 318 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that this is a political time or 319 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: environment to have that unnecessarily, but these are the current 320 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: roles and so anyone is free to run. And ultimately, 321 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: you know what it comes down to at the end 322 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: of the day is the voters can decide. The voters 323 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: they have to be of Maori descent, they have to 324 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: declare they're of Marty descent. The voters on the Maldi 325 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: roll they get to decide who they elect. Hypothetically Marty 326 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: and a Marty electorate could could elect a non Marty 327 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: if they chose to and if that was their choice, again, 328 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: it's over to them. It's probably very very very exceptionally 329 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: unlikely to happen, but it could happen. It's a free 330 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: choice there. So for these candidates it's a matter of 331 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: like making their political points, you know, getting a bit 332 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: of a platform, getting a bit of attention, getting mentioned, 333 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: and seeing what comes with it. That's the kind of 334 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: main agenda there. It's like when we you know, soon 335 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: we'll open our little books and look at all the 336 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: Merril candidates and sometimes we have a good laugh. Sometimes 337 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: we'll go, well, who's that. Sometimes we'll be offended. It's 338 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: the same sort of thing in a democracy. In this case, 339 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: in the Mahdi electorates. Anyone can run, and anyone is running. 340 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Lara, Suanna. Thank you. 341 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: That said for this episode of the Front Page. You 342 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 343 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: at NZADHERLD dot co dot nz. 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