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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional marketing

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Speaker 2: On the huddle of this this evening, Allie Jones read

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Speaker 2: PR Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 3: Hello you too, grehead? Hi Ali?

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Speaker 2: Do you use payWave?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Well no, I've started not to and carrying cash around

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Speaker 4: with me. How sad is that you packing machine? No

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Speaker 4: I use coins, or I don't park there, or I

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Speaker 4: take the risk. Seriously, I will not pay those fees,

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Speaker 4: I am. I'm a communtion with it. I mean, even

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Speaker 4: if you go to use your debit card, which is

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Speaker 4: your own bloody money for a start, sometimes before you

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Speaker 4: can do the swipe, it does the Zeppi thing. So no,

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Speaker 4: I carry cash around with me and will not pay

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Speaker 4: the fees.

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Speaker 2: Yees, you got on yet? Got on yet?

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Speaker 1: What about you?

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Speaker 3: Jordan? I resent paying it. We used to have the

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Speaker 3: zero merchant fees FOSS system was the best in the world.

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Speaker 3: The bank hated it the well actually the banks that

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Speaker 3: might have didn't have to cover cash hand fees that

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Speaker 3: was their benefit. Who hated it were the big card switches, which,

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Speaker 3: of course of now getting their way because we're all

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Speaker 3: moving to payWave and and shipping off hundreds of millions,

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Speaker 3: so we get nothing in return di Visa and MasterCard.

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Speaker 3: But of course the banks now get a kickback on it,

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Speaker 3: so they see a new revenue stream. I think it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: I resent it.

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Speaker 2: What's the pick back that the banks get.

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Speaker 3: Well, the banks get fees on them.

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Speaker 2: So you're getting you're getting the master and fee know.

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Speaker 3: That yet, Yeah, and they get a kickback from the

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Speaker 3: big credit card switches, so that they said, it's new

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Speaker 3: revenue for them, which is why we're all getting encouraged

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Speaker 3: to get debit cards with paywaves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Elie, I'm here for the crackdown, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, And actually that point that Jordren just made

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Speaker 4: is a really valid one. So we've all been talked

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Speaker 4: into and the technology has now meant that virtually everything

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Speaker 4: is payWave. So then what do they do. They start

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Speaker 4: touching your fees, so you know, it's almost maca alian.

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Speaker 4: They've said it up so that they have well that's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but don't don't blame them. Don't blame the merchants.

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Speaker 3: You know they have the consumers.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not at all. No, it's the banks

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Speaker 4: and the credit cards.

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Speaker 3: The question is what's the solution, And we can take

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Speaker 3: a heavy handed regulatory approach. I think a better solution

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Speaker 3: would actually just be more competition in the area. Open

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Speaker 3: this stuff up to non bank competition. That's where it's

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Speaker 3: you know, that's where a lot of the these fintech

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Speaker 3: startups are having alternatives.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon Allie? Is going on with Darlene Tanner?

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Speaker 2: Has she got balls or does she just need the money?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't want to say this, but I think

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Speaker 4: she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown reading some

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Speaker 4: of the stuff in the media this afternoon. No, seriously,

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Speaker 4: some of the stuff she said sounded really weird. Well

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Speaker 4: what she made some comments about how she identifies they

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Speaker 4: and them, and it was totally out of context. In

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Speaker 4: the interview, she talked about how long she'd been married,

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Speaker 4: and I mean it was just odd. But not getting

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Speaker 4: back to the whole issue, it's quite incredible that she's there.

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Speaker 4: You know, she got into Parliament as a list MP

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Speaker 4: or an electorate MP. She has got no mandate other

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Speaker 4: than the Green Party position and policies, and she's no

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Speaker 4: longer in the Green Party. She needs to go I

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Speaker 4: think she should be arrested for trespass.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, Allie, you're becoming true of Mallard as we speak. Jordan,

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Speaker 2: I what you'll take on it when we come back

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Speaker 2: from the break.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Jordan Williams and Allie Jones. Right, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: what do you think of Darline Tanna being there?

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Speaker 3: Well, we've been jumping up and down for months saying

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Speaker 3: she should. You know, we pay her quite handsomely to

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Speaker 3: be an MP. She should turn up to work. Yes,

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Speaker 3: she should resign, but she's clearly not going to. And

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Speaker 3: that's yet another example of political parties selecting candidates that

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Speaker 3: are either will suited to be MP's or frankly have

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Speaker 3: low opportunity cost of time. So when they've come to

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Speaker 3: scot of course I don't resign. This will be the

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Speaker 3: best paid jobs she ever had.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon they are they going to pull the

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Speaker 2: waker jumping legislation.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know, but but I don't want

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Speaker 3: this to justify saying we should have a walker jumping regime.

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Speaker 3: It is I get that you know, these are just

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Speaker 3: list MP's and they get in off the coattails of

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Speaker 3: the party and all of that is true. However, you

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Speaker 3: can't have a situation. You know that one of the

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Speaker 3: presiding MP's you have all these party apparachis if they

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Speaker 3: are able to be effectively sacked by the party high

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Speaker 3: leaders up high? What the hell's the points agreed? Entire

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Speaker 3: even just give party leaders voting cards and you know

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Speaker 3: on that. You know, we have a House of representatives.

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Speaker 3: We pay them to have their own judgment. Yep, she's

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Speaker 3: worn out with the party and frankly the Greens that

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Speaker 3: appears quite right to kick her out. Yes, she should resign,

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Speaker 3: but it all comes back to if you're heading peas

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Speaker 3: with that actually had you know candidate jobs out of

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Speaker 3: parliament the clothes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh too right allie, now listen, how do you

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Speaker 2: feel about Chris lux and dropping his Tuesday afternoon media opportunity.

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Speaker 4: It's really unnecessary for him to do that. I think

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Speaker 4: it's creating a perception that he doesn't want to speak

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Speaker 4: to the media and buy by association New Zealanders. And

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Speaker 4: that's I'll say it's unnecessary because you know it's five

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Speaker 4: minutes it's five minutes on a walk to the debating chamber.

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Speaker 4: It's no baggie and it's.

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Speaker 2: Not five minutes. It's not fine that that's that is

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Speaker 2: like factually impossible. It might be five.

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Speaker 4: Minutes of black and white, it might.

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Speaker 2: Be fave minutes. It might be five minutes that he's there,

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Speaker 2: but the briefing that he has to go through beforehand

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Speaker 2: will be far longer than five minutes. It's a hell

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Speaker 2: of a lot of work to get ready for that.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, I thought he was actually just walking and

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Speaker 4: being like, it will be brief, because everyone's brief before

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Speaker 4: he goes into the everyone will be briefing him before

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Speaker 4: he goes into the debating chamber. But I thought that

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Speaker 4: it was just removing essentially a five minute chat to

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Speaker 4: the media outside. He's got to be out. Was it

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Speaker 4: for going into the debating chamber? Well, I don't understand

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Speaker 4: why he would drop it for five minutes.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Jordan?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and two minds about this. It's not really good luck,

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Speaker 3: but it's sort of a memesis. The greatest respect to

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Speaker 3: your profession here to sort of journalists, our own self importance.

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Speaker 3: The real debate is in the chamber where he gets

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Speaker 3: questioned by the leader of the opposition. It will mean

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Speaker 3: that the media focus, possibly quite rightly, will be more

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Speaker 3: on that on the Tuesdays rather than the agenda that

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Speaker 3: they particularly want to run.

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Speaker 2: Yeh yeah, although so I agree, I agree with Jordann

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Speaker 2: on this, But Ali, I think you do make a

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Speaker 2: good point, right, which is that the perception is never

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Speaker 2: a good one if you start removing media access and

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Speaker 2: it's not the first thing that he's done, because you

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Speaker 2: also roll back on the post cabinet press conferences during

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Speaker 2: recess weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Longie, this precedent was really set by Halen Clark.

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Speaker 3: She was much more I mean John Key followed, It

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Speaker 3: was much much, much more open. Certainly you go back

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Speaker 3: and Bulger or long did not have the sort of

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Speaker 3: access that we're used to getting on both caucus runs

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Speaker 3: and the run into.

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Speaker 2: The chamber maybe twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 4: But my point is that this losingness is just not

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Speaker 4: worth the pushback that he's getting. I mean, as I said,

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Speaker 4: it's creating the perception that he doesn't want to talk

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Speaker 4: to media, and I just don't.

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Speaker 3: Think it's worth it.

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Speaker 4: If he wants to get rid of one of them

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Speaker 4: get rid of one of the other ones that really

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Speaker 4: does chunk into his day. But I just think this

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Speaker 4: was a no brainer, silly thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ali, do you reckon? There's much sympathy for the

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Speaker 2: press Gallery at the moment, though.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, I don't think people think about it, whether

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Speaker 4: I think maybe you do, or I do, or Jordan's does,

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Speaker 4: or others that follow the media. But you know, how

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Speaker 4: many people actually know what the press gallery is for

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Speaker 4: a start. But that's a really hard question to answer

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Speaker 4: because I see it differently to I think the way

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Speaker 4: the majority of New Zealanders would.

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Speaker 2: That's fair enough. That is fair enough. Guys, listen, it's

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Speaker 2: really good to talk to the pair of you really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Is Alie Jones of red pr and Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams of the Taxpayers Union.

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