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Speaker 1: There are calls this morning for harsher punishments for MP's

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Speaker 1: misbehaving in the House and he's in first. Shane Jones

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Speaker 1: says the party Marti's routine last week was a step

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Speaker 1: too far. It was a disgrace, and he says Standing

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Speaker 1: Orders need a once over.

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Speaker 2: We now need to reform, sharpen and bring standing Orders

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Speaker 2: into a world where it is a parent a host

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Speaker 2: of members no longer fear the consequences.

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Speaker 1: So Lockwood Smith is a former Speaker of the Houses

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Speaker 1: with us this morning. Mortenna, good morning, morning, Ray, great

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show. Do we need tougher penalties?

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Speaker 1: Harsher penalties? Do they actually work?

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting issue because obviously Parliament hass some real privileges.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as speaker at the start through parliament you

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Speaker 3: go to the Governor General, the head of Saint New

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Speaker 3: Zealand and seek the privileges of the Parliament from the

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Speaker 3: Governor General. And one of those privileges, of course, is

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Speaker 3: the privilege of free speech in the Parliament, which is

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Speaker 3: pretty special. You know what you can say. A member

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Speaker 3: can say almost anything in the House and not be

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Speaker 3: sued for it. So the privileges are very special and

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Speaker 3: to breach those privileges to is a serious issue. And okay,

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Speaker 3: the other day, I think the Speaker named a member

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Speaker 3: for interrupting the proceedings of the House, and the penalty

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Speaker 3: for that's only one day's exclusion. They lose a member

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Speaker 3: that's named, loses their pay for one day. They can't

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Speaker 3: be involved in the debate or committees or anything, they

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Speaker 3: can't vote for a day. If they do it again,

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Speaker 3: of course it's seven days. And if they do it

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Speaker 3: beyond that, it's even a bigger penalty again for a

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Speaker 3: third offense. But it's possible, you know that the issue

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Speaker 3: should be referred to the Standing Orders Committee, which is

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Speaker 3: a committee of senior members of Parliament that meets every

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Speaker 3: parliamentary term to upfate the Standing Orders and look at

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Speaker 3: that issue of this verity of that first breach, you know,

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Speaker 3: just being named and suspended from the House for one day,

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Speaker 3: and it was a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: It was a Thursday too, so it wasn't much happening

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Speaker 1: on that in the House on a Friday.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Seymour reckons that because of social media, the electoral benefits

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Speaker 1: to people from from protesting and doing things like this

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Speaker 1: far outway at any punishment, you know, and with your

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Speaker 1: TikTok moment. So maybe there is a case to dock

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Speaker 1: more pay or something like that, something more severe. Or

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, do you allow time for a

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Speaker 1: hucker if there's going to be a controversial bill?

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Speaker 3: You know, well, I think that's something that also the

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Speaker 3: Speaker can consider. I mean, over recent years when when

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Speaker 3: treaty settlements have been made, they are important occasions and

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Speaker 3: here we often attend in significant um. There's it's been

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Speaker 3: a tremendous development that in consultation with the Speaker, let's

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Speaker 3: agreed that the EWI present can perform a why to

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Speaker 3: cup a hacker event. And that's great, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: it's lovely to see it, it's lovely to hear it,

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Speaker 3: and it recognizes Maori Maori culture and traditions, and so

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Speaker 3: there's no reason why that couldn't be explored as well,

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Speaker 3: that where there's something that's really really held deeply by Maori,

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Speaker 3: that there could be allowance for some performance of a

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Speaker 3: cultural activity. And there's no reason why that couldn't happen.

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Speaker 3: But it needs to be. It can't be just jumped

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Speaker 3: on the house. You can't reach the surprise.

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Speaker 1: The house is the surprise hacker. I think that there

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Speaker 1: was the problem with Sir lockwood Smith, former speaker. Appreciate

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