1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Barrio So for senior political correspondence with us Hi Barry. 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 2: Good afternoon. 3 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: So the big chat in Parliament today was about the 4 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Monowanui sinking. 5 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting because Parliament was back after recess 6 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: today and for the best part of the first hour 7 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: they discussed the sinking of the Worship of Sarmoa and 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: there has been talk of two hundred thousand liters of 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: fuel escaping as it tilted to the side. What I 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: found interesting in all of this, though, is the praise 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: for the ship's crew and the captain, and that was 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: certainly the case when Chris Pink stood in for the 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: Defense Minister in Parliament today. 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: With this, we should be incredibly proud of all of 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: our New Zealand Defense Force personnel who are all highly 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: skilled in serve New Zealand without hesitation. With the passengers 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 3: and crew safe, the government's focus shifted to mistigating any 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: environmental impacts. Sir, I assure this House, the people of 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: New Zealand and those of Smore, we will do everything 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: that we can. It is important that we do not 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: rush to speculate on what happened and also to allow 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: the Court of Inquiry process to play out while we 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: do not yet know what caused this terrible incident. I 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 3: do wish to echo the sentiments of Minister of Defense 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: due to Collins, that we do know that the ship's 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: captain's gender had no role to play in the incident. 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: That extraordinary. I mean, what the hell would a gender 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: have anything to do with. 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: Why she's a lady driver barrier? 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you could say that that's ridiculous. I just 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: I found that piece rather extraordinary. And the other thing 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: is that is interesting to me is that it's a 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: military court of inquiry that will look into why the 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: ship's seeing. Now, shouldn't the public know a bit more 35 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: than what a court of inquiry for the military would uncover, 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: I mean their inquiring into. 37 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Their own Yeah. Are you suggesting that a military court 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: of inquiry is not transparent? 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: Well, I'd hope it would be, But generally is inquiring 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: military arnt. 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 4: Actually. 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Now, if Dulan goes to the Court of Appeal, like 44 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: she says she's gonna go, will she will be able 45 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: to she will be able to potentially argue that the 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: Greens cannot use the walker jumping legislation against her right. 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: But could they not do it before the Court of 48 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: Appeal actually hears it. Could they not get ahead of it? 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: Oh, they will do, won't they, because they could kick 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: her out. Well, they're meeting on Thursday, and it only 51 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: takes a letter to the Speaker, one would assume to 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: get rid of this woman from Parliament. There are certain 53 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 2: legal parameters though, surrounding that that haven't really been explored yet, 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: because the legislation itself hasn't been tested. And you know, 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: there's an argument that MP's are sworn and under their 56 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: own name as opposed to the party, and that's true, 57 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: but they're still on the party ticket. So I think 58 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: they will invoke the waker jumping legislation and you'll be 59 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: pleased to hear hither that. Darling Tana was at work today. 60 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: In fact, she was asking a question. She's told Parliament 61 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: she's worried about the fish species in the hierarchy golf 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: and even attempted to make something of a. 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: Joke crayfish is functionally extinct, that one in five snapper 64 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: are so sick as to be referred to as zombies, 65 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 4: and that kinner is left to run so rampant that 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 4: such that is receding at a rate faster than many 67 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: honorable members' hairlines. 68 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: Now that had been rolling in the arms. Of course, 69 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: I realize where it had come from. 70 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so and the other thing that we're talking 71 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: about in Parliament today was what's going on with Gaza 72 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: and Israel. 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely and certainly the Greens Chloe Swarbrick, she was hot 74 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: under the collar about it, and that was following the 75 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: Israeli's bombing of a hospital. Swarbrick was fired up asking 76 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: questions of the Prime Minister. 77 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 5: Yes, I have seen those images. They are absolutely horrific. 78 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 5: This conflict has atastrophic consequences on innocent civilians. 79 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 6: What exactly is the point and those numerous international statements 80 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 6: that the Prime Minister alludes to if there is no 81 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 6: follow through whatsoever, When the Israeli state can attack a 82 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 6: hospital sheltering civilians with no consequences. 83 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 5: New Zealand, as a small country at the end of 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: the world, is doing everything it can and by partnering 85 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 5: with other like minded countries, we're putting more volume and 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 5: voice to our prospective and to our position. 87 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 6: When will the Prime Minister expel the Israeli ambassador? 88 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 5: Well, we believe in maintaining diplomatic channels to actually communicate 89 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 5: our differences. That's important. And what are you doing question twol. 90 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: Hang on, it's enough. 91 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 5: This is absolutely childs. 92 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: And it was actually there was a yelling match after 93 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: the question finished, and it was very unruly. But look, 94 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: certainty tempers running high there. And you saw the Greens 95 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: again turned out in Parliament today in the Palestinian scarves, 96 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: so no one was under any illusion which side they're on. 97 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Very quickly, because you've spent a lot of time in 98 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: hospital thoughts on the directive. 99 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: Look, I think it's ridiculous. I mean, of course there's 100 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: a high ethnic number of nurses in the hospitals, and 101 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: you know, I had no problem at all with them 102 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: speaking in their own language as long as they spoke 103 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: to me in English. 104 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: The biggest they not try speaking to you in another langue. 105 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: No they didn't, and well I don't know on a 106 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: couple of occasions because. 107 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: They did, Yes, exactly. 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: They were speaking to me and many of them had 109 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: masks on, and I found it really difficult to understand 110 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: what they were saying. I politely said, look, I'm very sorry, 111 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: I can't understand your accent. So they'd get then get 112 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: somebody else and to explain to me what was going on. 113 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, my hat comes off absolutely 114 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: to the hospital staff and what they have to put 115 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: up with from some quarters. 116 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: Totally, they had more trouble understanding you and your weird 117 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: hallucinations were mad for a while there. There was a 118 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: psychosis that seenton Barry. 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