1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,507 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,987 --> 00:00:16,947 Speaker 2: Mike Cron is one of world rugby's most successful coaches. 4 00:00:17,187 --> 00:00:20,067 Speaker 2: He coached well over two hundred All Blacks games during 5 00:00:20,107 --> 00:00:22,747 Speaker 2: a golden era for the side, during which they won 6 00:00:22,787 --> 00:00:26,387 Speaker 2: two World Cups, fashioned an incredible winning record, and stayed 7 00:00:26,427 --> 00:00:28,587 Speaker 2: at the top of the world rugby rankings for longer 8 00:00:28,587 --> 00:00:30,347 Speaker 2: than any other team ever has. 9 00:00:30,627 --> 00:00:31,827 Speaker 3: He also helped the Black. 10 00:00:31,627 --> 00:00:34,187 Speaker 2: Ferns to World Cup glory in twenty twenty two, and 11 00:00:34,307 --> 00:00:36,947 Speaker 2: last year became a member of Joe Schmidt's Wallaby set 12 00:00:37,027 --> 00:00:39,427 Speaker 2: up as they prepared to face the British and Irish 13 00:00:39,467 --> 00:00:43,307 Speaker 2: Lions first Test in Brisbane tonight. Mike Cron's book is out. 14 00:00:43,627 --> 00:00:47,547 Speaker 2: It's simply called Coach Lessons from an All Blacks Legend. 15 00:00:48,067 --> 00:00:50,067 Speaker 2: Mike Cron is with us on Weekend Sport. Mike, thanks 16 00:00:50,107 --> 00:00:52,867 Speaker 2: for your time, Congrats on the book. Could the Mike 17 00:00:52,947 --> 00:00:56,947 Speaker 2: Cron who coached the Saint Andrew's College Verse fifteen in 18 00:00:57,027 --> 00:01:00,507 Speaker 2: his late twenties ever have imagined the journey that rugby 19 00:01:00,507 --> 00:01:01,227 Speaker 2: has taken you on? 20 00:01:02,307 --> 00:01:05,347 Speaker 4: Oh heck, no, nay, And I certainly don't coach like 21 00:01:05,587 --> 00:01:08,307 Speaker 4: I did back then. God, you know, that was my 22 00:01:08,347 --> 00:01:11,827 Speaker 4: first coaching gig in nineteen eighty three s Andandrew's. You know, 23 00:01:11,907 --> 00:01:16,267 Speaker 4: it was back then a boys college, private school in 24 00:01:16,347 --> 00:01:19,187 Speaker 4: christ Church, and it was a great stepping stone for me. 25 00:01:19,387 --> 00:01:22,227 Speaker 4: And you never thought that you're ever going to be 26 00:01:22,747 --> 00:01:24,627 Speaker 4: probably even a senior rugby coach back then. 27 00:01:25,267 --> 00:01:27,587 Speaker 2: One thing that became obvious to me as I read 28 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:30,587 Speaker 2: the book is how important to you the players are 29 00:01:31,067 --> 00:01:33,467 Speaker 2: as part of the coaching process. Which seems obvious, but 30 00:01:33,467 --> 00:01:36,707 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not the case with some coaches. You say, 31 00:01:37,067 --> 00:01:40,547 Speaker 2: the best coach is the person you're performing the activity with. 32 00:01:41,067 --> 00:01:42,267 Speaker 3: Can you explain why that is? 33 00:01:43,867 --> 00:01:47,787 Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, Well an example I use quite often when 34 00:01:47,787 --> 00:01:50,187 Speaker 4: I talked to coaches, you know, they say, oh, we 35 00:01:50,227 --> 00:01:52,787 Speaker 4: don't have resources like you've got, and I go, hold on, 36 00:01:53,587 --> 00:01:56,907 Speaker 4: you do, actually say you've got twenty five players at training, 37 00:01:57,227 --> 00:02:00,347 Speaker 4: twenty six players? Whatever? You do a little activity, you know, 38 00:02:00,507 --> 00:02:04,147 Speaker 4: like say, for instance, you know, coaches getting the peers 39 00:02:04,387 --> 00:02:07,187 Speaker 4: one holder hit pad, the other come in and punch rap, 40 00:02:07,267 --> 00:02:09,267 Speaker 4: you know, like we tackle and drive it back to 41 00:02:09,427 --> 00:02:12,267 Speaker 4: five each. Now that's how I was coached, you know 42 00:02:12,267 --> 00:02:17,067 Speaker 4: when I was playing. Now you know what would happen 43 00:02:17,147 --> 00:02:19,107 Speaker 4: is is that the guy holding the pad would give 44 00:02:19,147 --> 00:02:21,427 Speaker 4: instant feedback back to the guy doing the activity, like 45 00:02:22,027 --> 00:02:24,947 Speaker 4: good front leg drive or you hit and stopped or whatever. 46 00:02:25,307 --> 00:02:28,827 Speaker 4: So once you do that, you've now got you know, 47 00:02:28,947 --> 00:02:31,627 Speaker 4: twenty six coaches out on the training field, so you're 48 00:02:31,667 --> 00:02:35,187 Speaker 4: not you're not allowing mediocrity to ever creep into a session, 49 00:02:35,347 --> 00:02:39,827 Speaker 4: and that player is developing. And remember, learning is motivation 50 00:02:40,107 --> 00:02:44,067 Speaker 4: and motivation is enjoyment. So the player is learning, they're motivated. 51 00:02:44,067 --> 00:02:46,427 Speaker 4: If they're motivated, they're having fun and they're enjoying it, 52 00:02:46,467 --> 00:02:48,987 Speaker 4: which that's the whole idea. 53 00:02:48,787 --> 00:02:50,227 Speaker 3: Of it, isn't it absolutely right? 54 00:02:50,507 --> 00:02:53,107 Speaker 2: Another thing that I really enjoyed finding out about was 55 00:02:53,147 --> 00:02:57,227 Speaker 2: the fact that you visited many other sporting organizations to 56 00:02:57,307 --> 00:03:00,107 Speaker 2: find out new things, to observe the way they went 57 00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:04,107 Speaker 2: about things from ballet to suma wrestling. What drove that 58 00:03:04,267 --> 00:03:06,627 Speaker 2: desire in you and still does to think about things 59 00:03:06,667 --> 00:03:07,347 Speaker 2: a bit differently? 60 00:03:10,107 --> 00:03:12,347 Speaker 4: Knowing that I don't know enough, that's the first thing 61 00:03:12,427 --> 00:03:15,507 Speaker 4: you've got to identify, I do not have enough knowledge. 62 00:03:15,907 --> 00:03:18,707 Speaker 4: And the second thing is first for knowledge. So they 63 00:03:18,707 --> 00:03:21,227 Speaker 4: are your two drivers. And I've always had and still 64 00:03:21,227 --> 00:03:23,827 Speaker 4: have a first for knowledge that I can come up 65 00:03:23,867 --> 00:03:27,467 Speaker 4: with some other way of educating my player or athlete 66 00:03:27,867 --> 00:03:30,947 Speaker 4: to understand how to use their body better, that I 67 00:03:30,947 --> 00:03:32,627 Speaker 4: can pass that on, and then it's up to them 68 00:03:32,627 --> 00:03:35,387 Speaker 4: if I'd like to keep that or delete it, you know. 69 00:03:35,507 --> 00:03:38,027 Speaker 4: So Hence I go around and try and pick up 70 00:03:39,067 --> 00:03:41,747 Speaker 4: things of different sports from you know, as you rightly said, 71 00:03:41,867 --> 00:03:45,347 Speaker 4: sumo and ballet, and I've been to cage fighting, and 72 00:03:45,387 --> 00:03:48,507 Speaker 4: I've been all over America, and you know, ice hockey 73 00:03:48,587 --> 00:03:55,387 Speaker 4: and basketball, netball, you know everything, jiu jitsu, wrestling, karate, 74 00:03:55,827 --> 00:03:58,107 Speaker 4: anything at all that is top level, I'll go into 75 00:03:58,187 --> 00:03:59,907 Speaker 4: and have a look. The big thing is, don't go 76 00:04:00,027 --> 00:04:02,027 Speaker 4: on with the preconceived of it there and think this 77 00:04:02,147 --> 00:04:04,027 Speaker 4: is what I want to learn. Just going with an 78 00:04:04,027 --> 00:04:06,827 Speaker 4: open mind, sit there and just soak it all up 79 00:04:06,867 --> 00:04:09,627 Speaker 4: and something will jump out the bottom. You know, that's valuable. 80 00:04:10,547 --> 00:04:12,027 Speaker 2: The other quote that stood out for me in the 81 00:04:12,027 --> 00:04:14,027 Speaker 2: book was one you use a few times. You talk 82 00:04:14,067 --> 00:04:17,147 Speaker 2: about loving the players as much at nine o'clock at 83 00:04:17,227 --> 00:04:19,627 Speaker 2: night after they've played a game as you do at 84 00:04:19,667 --> 00:04:22,827 Speaker 2: seven thirty before they've played. How important a plank in 85 00:04:22,907 --> 00:04:24,307 Speaker 2: your coaching philosophy was That? 86 00:04:25,307 --> 00:04:27,347 Speaker 4: Oh, it's huge and that I actually got that off 87 00:04:27,347 --> 00:04:31,427 Speaker 4: Steve Hanson. He drove that, and I think that's great 88 00:04:31,427 --> 00:04:34,267 Speaker 4: that an athlete knows that no matter what the result. 89 00:04:34,947 --> 00:04:39,827 Speaker 4: You know, when they trudge off for a game, you 90 00:04:39,867 --> 00:04:42,387 Speaker 4: know you're not a fear winded sailor. You don't just 91 00:04:42,427 --> 00:04:44,867 Speaker 4: pat them on the back when they win. You are 92 00:04:44,907 --> 00:04:47,627 Speaker 4: there for them and after every test like tomorrow night. 93 00:04:47,667 --> 00:04:49,227 Speaker 4: I don't know how this test is going to go 94 00:04:49,267 --> 00:04:52,787 Speaker 4: against the Furish and Irish Lions, but I guarantee you 95 00:04:52,787 --> 00:04:55,707 Speaker 4: whatever the result, the players will be treated exactly the 96 00:04:55,747 --> 00:04:57,747 Speaker 4: same by myself when they come back into the shed, 97 00:04:58,107 --> 00:05:00,987 Speaker 4: and I think that's really really important. They always thank 98 00:05:01,027 --> 00:05:04,747 Speaker 4: them for their effort. Sometimes it's good enough and other 99 00:05:04,787 --> 00:05:06,467 Speaker 4: times it's not good enough to get a win the 100 00:05:06,467 --> 00:05:08,627 Speaker 4: way it is. But I certainly will not be a 101 00:05:08,627 --> 00:05:12,107 Speaker 4: fair winded sailor and only be a friend when you win. 102 00:05:13,187 --> 00:05:17,067 Speaker 2: Scrum question for you, Mike, will a technically better scrummager 103 00:05:17,267 --> 00:05:20,987 Speaker 2: always get the better of a physically stronger player. 104 00:05:21,907 --> 00:05:26,027 Speaker 4: No, not necessarily. You know, it's about mass and speed. 105 00:05:26,707 --> 00:05:29,427 Speaker 4: You know, it's the big guy who hadn't got much technique, 106 00:05:29,467 --> 00:05:32,547 Speaker 4: but he packed fires him in pretty good. There's a 107 00:05:32,547 --> 00:05:36,107 Speaker 4: lot of weight coming at you. So there's a bit 108 00:05:36,107 --> 00:05:37,747 Speaker 4: of this and a bit of that, you know, But 109 00:05:37,787 --> 00:05:40,347 Speaker 4: for me, I just work on the fact that if 110 00:05:40,387 --> 00:05:43,667 Speaker 4: I can get you technically as best you can possibly be, 111 00:05:43,827 --> 00:05:48,307 Speaker 4: so you use your body most efficiently, that gives you 112 00:05:48,347 --> 00:05:50,427 Speaker 4: more energy for getting around the paddic and running with 113 00:05:50,467 --> 00:05:53,307 Speaker 4: the fall and making tackles and doing stuff that you 114 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:54,027 Speaker 4: love as well. 115 00:05:54,867 --> 00:05:57,187 Speaker 2: How proud are you of the work that you have 116 00:05:57,347 --> 00:06:03,227 Speaker 2: done around scrum safety and safety of rugby players generally. 117 00:06:04,867 --> 00:06:09,107 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I never really thought about it until I 118 00:06:09,147 --> 00:06:11,667 Speaker 4: was asked, as I'd go up to you know, government 119 00:06:11,667 --> 00:06:16,427 Speaker 4: house and receive a gong safety and it's something I'd 120 00:06:16,427 --> 00:06:19,027 Speaker 4: never do, you know. To be honest, well, I said 121 00:06:19,027 --> 00:06:20,547 Speaker 4: I'd never write a book too, But there you go. 122 00:06:23,027 --> 00:06:24,867 Speaker 4: I don't think I would have accepted if it was 123 00:06:24,947 --> 00:06:28,187 Speaker 4: just for coaching, you know, if they said, oh, you've 124 00:06:28,187 --> 00:06:29,907 Speaker 4: won a couple of World Cups coming up and get 125 00:06:29,907 --> 00:06:32,187 Speaker 4: a gong, I don't think I would have accepted that. 126 00:06:32,667 --> 00:06:36,347 Speaker 4: But it wasn't that. It was for safety over the 127 00:06:36,467 --> 00:06:39,467 Speaker 4: years and working with World Rugby and helping change laws 128 00:06:39,507 --> 00:06:44,667 Speaker 4: and working with the medical fraternity. So I go, oh, yeah, 129 00:06:44,747 --> 00:06:49,227 Speaker 4: I understand that, and yeah, that's probably so much to 130 00:06:49,347 --> 00:06:49,707 Speaker 4: be proud of. 131 00:06:49,987 --> 00:06:53,907 Speaker 2: Indeed, you should speaking of pride with as helping the 132 00:06:53,947 --> 00:06:56,987 Speaker 2: Black Ferns to World Cup victory at the back end 133 00:06:57,027 --> 00:07:00,467 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two rank in your career. 134 00:07:00,787 --> 00:07:03,787 Speaker 4: Hell of a highlight because you never I had mucked 135 00:07:03,827 --> 00:07:07,787 Speaker 4: around coaching the Seventh Lady in the fifteens, but just 136 00:07:08,107 --> 00:07:10,187 Speaker 4: a one off session here, and the one off sessions 137 00:07:10,267 --> 00:07:13,747 Speaker 4: they're never full time like I did with Wayne Smith 138 00:07:15,467 --> 00:07:18,987 Speaker 4: and that, and it was well. I had to learn 139 00:07:19,027 --> 00:07:23,747 Speaker 4: that women learn differently when you're coaching them. I had 140 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:28,707 Speaker 4: to learn that very quickly. And once once we formed 141 00:07:28,707 --> 00:07:31,867 Speaker 4: a relationship and they worked out, it was a safe 142 00:07:32,107 --> 00:07:36,027 Speaker 4: learning environment that they're in. We got growth, you know, 143 00:07:36,667 --> 00:07:41,307 Speaker 4: huge growth, daily growth with the ladies. They're outstanding, you know, 144 00:07:41,307 --> 00:07:43,307 Speaker 4: we just had to get them over a hump. That 145 00:07:43,387 --> 00:07:46,307 Speaker 4: what I found. Women they're very harsh on themselves. You know, 146 00:07:46,307 --> 00:07:49,107 Speaker 4: if they make a mistake at training, they beat themselves 147 00:07:49,187 --> 00:07:53,467 Speaker 4: up mentally, and we had to get past that and 148 00:07:53,827 --> 00:07:57,067 Speaker 4: get them to understand that to get growth that you 149 00:07:57,147 --> 00:08:00,707 Speaker 4: are we are going to stretch and stretch and stress 150 00:08:00,787 --> 00:08:04,867 Speaker 4: your skill level and you will fail at times. It's okay. 151 00:08:05,227 --> 00:08:08,907 Speaker 4: Eventually you'll achieve that skill. Once you achieve that skill, 152 00:08:08,907 --> 00:08:10,667 Speaker 4: we're going to make it harder, so you fail again, 153 00:08:11,027 --> 00:08:13,547 Speaker 4: and then eventually you will achieve that skill, and then 154 00:08:13,547 --> 00:08:16,307 Speaker 4: we again we make it harder. So that was sort 155 00:08:16,307 --> 00:08:19,547 Speaker 4: of like way in my philosophy. And once the woman 156 00:08:19,867 --> 00:08:23,427 Speaker 4: worked out out, they jumped at it and gave everything 157 00:08:23,467 --> 00:08:25,627 Speaker 4: a crack and we got huge growth in a very 158 00:08:25,747 --> 00:08:26,547 Speaker 4: short period of time. 159 00:08:27,307 --> 00:08:28,627 Speaker 3: Let's bring it to the present day. 160 00:08:29,187 --> 00:08:31,227 Speaker 2: You're about to embark on a three Test series as 161 00:08:31,267 --> 00:08:33,227 Speaker 2: part of the Wallabies coaching set up against the British 162 00:08:33,227 --> 00:08:33,867 Speaker 2: and Irish Lions. 163 00:08:33,907 --> 00:08:35,267 Speaker 3: How confident do you feel, Mike. 164 00:08:37,227 --> 00:08:41,027 Speaker 4: That wouldn't be a word I'd use fair enough. They 165 00:08:41,027 --> 00:08:44,627 Speaker 4: are an extremely, extremely good team and this is my 166 00:08:44,787 --> 00:08:46,987 Speaker 4: I'm very lucky. This is my third series to coach 167 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:51,267 Speaker 4: against the two thousand and five and twenty seventeen against 168 00:08:51,267 --> 00:08:53,507 Speaker 4: them when I was coaching the All Blacks and never 169 00:08:53,547 --> 00:08:55,907 Speaker 4: ever thought I'd have another crack at them, and now 170 00:08:56,147 --> 00:08:59,867 Speaker 4: here I am at twenty twenty five and you know, 171 00:08:59,867 --> 00:09:03,107 Speaker 4: they're an extremely good team. She was, and we do 172 00:09:03,227 --> 00:09:08,187 Speaker 4: not know until eight o'clock tomorrow night how how good 173 00:09:08,187 --> 00:09:11,467 Speaker 4: we are against them, So that's you know, I'll know 174 00:09:11,547 --> 00:09:14,587 Speaker 4: more than nine point thirty. You'll know that if you're 175 00:09:14,627 --> 00:09:18,867 Speaker 4: competitive or really competitive or better or a fair way off. 176 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:21,547 Speaker 4: So it's one of those unknowns to be fair. All 177 00:09:21,587 --> 00:09:24,267 Speaker 4: I do know is that Joe and I and all 178 00:09:24,267 --> 00:09:27,627 Speaker 4: the other coaching staff, we've got the players as well 179 00:09:27,667 --> 00:09:31,387 Speaker 4: as they can be. You know, they are enjoying each 180 00:09:31,427 --> 00:09:36,387 Speaker 4: other's company. They're pretty clear in the head, the reasonably fit. 181 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:39,187 Speaker 4: So all you hopeful is they can put their best 182 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:41,947 Speaker 4: foot forward. But you know we'll not nine thirty. 183 00:09:42,107 --> 00:09:43,827 Speaker 2: Indeed, do you have a hunch Do you have a 184 00:09:43,907 --> 00:09:45,147 Speaker 2: hunch at and how are you going to. 185 00:09:45,187 --> 00:09:47,707 Speaker 3: Match up against them more? Are you really just going 186 00:09:47,787 --> 00:09:48,587 Speaker 3: to wait and see? 187 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:53,387 Speaker 4: No, I don't have a hunch, you know, I've seen 188 00:09:54,307 --> 00:09:56,747 Speaker 4: I've worked that out over. I don't know if I 189 00:09:56,787 --> 00:09:58,707 Speaker 4: was at one hundred and forty three testimony or not. 190 00:09:58,827 --> 00:10:00,707 Speaker 4: I think it is or some bloody think And I 191 00:10:01,307 --> 00:10:03,267 Speaker 4: you know when you think, when you think something, it 192 00:10:03,267 --> 00:10:05,307 Speaker 4: doesn't work out, you know. So I just keep a 193 00:10:05,387 --> 00:10:08,587 Speaker 4: very open mind and have watched the game as an 194 00:10:08,627 --> 00:10:11,347 Speaker 4: analyst and to help the players and not be a fan, 195 00:10:12,067 --> 00:10:15,307 Speaker 4: and hopefully they can. All your hope was that all 196 00:10:15,347 --> 00:10:17,707 Speaker 4: your players they go out there and put their best 197 00:10:17,707 --> 00:10:19,987 Speaker 4: foot forward. Now if it's not good enough, it's not 198 00:10:20,027 --> 00:10:22,027 Speaker 4: good enough. That it is good enough, that's great. 199 00:10:22,867 --> 00:10:24,827 Speaker 2: How did you find the experience of coaching against the 200 00:10:24,827 --> 00:10:25,747 Speaker 2: All Blacks last year? 201 00:10:27,067 --> 00:10:31,227 Speaker 4: Difficult? Very difficult. In a perfect world, I said, you know, 202 00:10:31,987 --> 00:10:36,107 Speaker 4: I'd just skipped those two Rugay Championship games to stay 203 00:10:36,107 --> 00:10:38,147 Speaker 4: at home on those too and just do Argentina and 204 00:10:38,187 --> 00:10:40,507 Speaker 4: Sarah Cever. It didn't make that way, does it. So 205 00:10:40,947 --> 00:10:43,187 Speaker 4: it's difficult, And it's lovely to go into the shed 206 00:10:43,707 --> 00:10:47,347 Speaker 4: and Wellington, We're all invited in and it was different 207 00:10:47,347 --> 00:10:49,667 Speaker 4: because it's not my shed anymore, because I was there 208 00:10:49,707 --> 00:10:51,627 Speaker 4: as a guest, and it was lovely to be invited 209 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:54,467 Speaker 4: in and meet some really good friends. You know, guys 210 00:10:54,507 --> 00:10:58,547 Speaker 4: I've coached and management that I've worked for many years with, 211 00:10:58,707 --> 00:11:01,947 Speaker 4: so our friendships, you know, that's the wonderful thing about sport, 212 00:11:01,987 --> 00:11:03,587 Speaker 4: and that the friendships that you will have forever. 213 00:11:03,907 --> 00:11:06,627 Speaker 2: Indeed, and just to finish, Mike, are you able to 214 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:09,667 Speaker 2: watch rugby just for the spectacle of a game of 215 00:11:09,747 --> 00:11:13,067 Speaker 2: rugby or is that not possible now that you've been 216 00:11:13,107 --> 00:11:15,387 Speaker 2: involved with the game at such a high coaching level 217 00:11:15,427 --> 00:11:16,027 Speaker 2: for so long. 218 00:11:16,907 --> 00:11:19,587 Speaker 4: Oh no, I you know, are you either go at 219 00:11:19,587 --> 00:11:21,587 Speaker 4: your coach's hat on or your fan hat? You know 220 00:11:21,627 --> 00:11:23,627 Speaker 4: what I mean. I can go down to the gamer's 221 00:11:23,667 --> 00:11:25,187 Speaker 4: they part, you know. I used to go down there 222 00:11:25,227 --> 00:11:28,507 Speaker 4: and watch, you know, say the Crusaders play or whatever, 223 00:11:28,587 --> 00:11:31,067 Speaker 4: and you've just got your fan hat on. You're sitting 224 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:33,667 Speaker 4: there having a beer put the locals watching a game 225 00:11:33,667 --> 00:11:37,307 Speaker 4: of footie. And I have no problem with that at all, 226 00:11:37,827 --> 00:11:41,387 Speaker 4: you know, and really enjoy it, you know. But then 227 00:11:42,067 --> 00:11:44,387 Speaker 4: you know, when you're involved in a team, well you've 228 00:11:44,427 --> 00:11:45,907 Speaker 4: got to put your coaching hat on, you know. But 229 00:11:46,587 --> 00:11:48,507 Speaker 4: I think that's the easy way to describe it. Are 230 00:11:48,547 --> 00:11:50,827 Speaker 4: you do you have skin in the game or you're 231 00:11:50,827 --> 00:11:52,787 Speaker 4: just a fan the. 232 00:11:52,747 --> 00:11:55,027 Speaker 2: Books of Cracker Mike, it's called coach lessons from an 233 00:11:55,067 --> 00:11:56,467 Speaker 2: All Blacks legend out now. 234 00:11:56,627 --> 00:11:58,267 Speaker 3: Really appreciate you taking the time for a chat. 235 00:11:58,307 --> 00:12:00,467 Speaker 2: Made all the all the best in the series against 236 00:12:00,467 --> 00:12:02,987 Speaker 2: the British and Irish lines over the next three weekends. 237 00:12:03,227 --> 00:12:04,547 Speaker 4: Thanks very much. Have a good day. 238 00:12:04,827 --> 00:12:05,907 Speaker 3: You have a good day too, Mike. 239 00:12:05,947 --> 00:12:10,147 Speaker 2: Thanks and Mike crom there preparing with Joe Schmidt to 240 00:12:10,187 --> 00:12:12,267 Speaker 2: take on the mite of the British and Irish Lions 241 00:12:12,467 --> 00:12:16,427 Speaker 2: first testers tonight ten o'clock New Zealand time at Brisbane 242 00:12:16,467 --> 00:12:18,827 Speaker 2: sun Call Stadium in Brisbane, so after the All Blacks game, 243 00:12:19,067 --> 00:12:23,747 Speaker 2: time to get home and watch the Lions against Australia, 244 00:12:23,787 --> 00:12:26,067 Speaker 2: the first of three Test matches over the next three weekends. 245 00:12:26,627 --> 00:12:29,827 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 246 00:12:29,907 --> 00:12:33,227 Speaker 1: to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow 247 00:12:33,267 --> 00:12:34,867 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.