1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Yes, I really when misted up again, now I'm a 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: baby's corner. Then the Torso when Jesse. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: Tossy Sons, who was trying to remember SoftBank ceo AI 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: that is ten thousand times smarter than humans going to 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: be here in teen years. I mean, that's it. He's right. This, 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 2: by the way, is posting posts Malone. He's he's hooked 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: up with Blake Shelton. Listen to this, it's just keeping 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: we in general. Post he makes a pastor his prime. 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: Shelton looks so good. Norman, he's a lot at the moment. 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: Posted because he hooked up with Morgan Wallen. I had 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: some help. That's the top song in America for the 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: sixth week running. This song comes from his album, which 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: is yet to be out August sixteen. If one Trillion 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: is the name, there are eighteen tracks on that. It 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: is ain't that. It's past eight Time for politics Wednesday, 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson both whether it's good morning, good morning, 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: good morning, Mark, you're on the move. Talk to me 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: about what you know about hawks Bay wiroh Etca. 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: I know that we're in a local state of emergency 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: in Hawk's Bay. That that is very isolated to one community. 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: The same with Laura and Lisbone. I've been speaking to 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: the MEAs throughout the morning. I'm on the way up 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: there now, you know, they just they can't catch a break. Obviously, 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: the focus life how is dealing with the flooding and 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: make sure that everyone's safe. But I've also got the 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: recovery toll you as well, so I'll be looking at 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: what we need to do to immediately get in and 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: help them recover. 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: All right, good stuff, Jinny, I'm back in parliament yesterday. 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: Do you have too many breaks? 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: Do you reckon too many breaks? Yeah? The party, this 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Parliament station, it's. 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: The first fun. 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: We don't say so, but it does seem like we're 35 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: not there for a lot, and particularly post budgets, like 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: we want more time in the house to ask questions 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: as minister's part budget, and we yet three question times 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: in the sort of two to many seven weeks. We've 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: got three weeks off, one week on, three weeks off, 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: so da seem. 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: Like a lot this year. 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and see I'm missing and I like a good 43 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: question time, as you well known, I'm sort of suddenly 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: this week after week of no question time these mark 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: is that the cracks appearing agree to disagree. We've got 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: cracks in the coalition already. 47 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: No, No, that's look, it was a very good coalition 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: agreement that was put together, you know, obviously d by 49 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, and it was because there are going 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: to be things that parties bo't agree on that you 51 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 3: can do that and they're way and it's a through 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: strong coalition. I think everyone, all the ministers are enjoyed 53 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: working inside it and we're getting things done. And in 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: terms of the House sitting, I mean we've had a 55 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: massive program that we're actually delivering. We've just come through 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: a scrutiny week where the Minister's paid front of spectivities 57 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: more scrutiny than they've ever ahead, which is an important 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 3: thing because the opposition to have a job still in 59 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 3: terms of holding the government to account. But look, we've 60 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: got a massive lease heted program and we get in 61 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: we're pushing it through, all right. 62 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: How many agree to disagrees need to be triggered before 63 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: people can go. I think something's gone wrong here. 64 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: That's the proofs in the pudding, I suppose, and I 65 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: mean everyone I think watching for when when it's no 66 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: longer the Deputy Prime Minister. I think that's kind of 67 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: a critical time that people think if there are some 68 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: cracks there, if he starts tucking the toys, that'll be 69 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: when you. 70 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: See it, So that'll be halfway. 71 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: Well. I think he's got less investment, like if you've 72 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: in there now and you're right, but you know, I 73 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: think that's that's kind of the area that people are 74 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: watching to see if once he steps back from that 75 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: role and they would see more steps up to see 76 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: how that relationship continues. 77 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: I am being fascincious Mike when I ask you about that. 78 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: It does seem like a mature thing, and I think 79 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: luxe and deserves an element of credit in putting that 80 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: in there in the first place. So because you're not 81 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: going to agree on a whole bunch of stuff, are. 82 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: You, Well you're not, and that's you know, and that's 83 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: normal than any part of life. But the reality is 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: this is that every one of those parties, all of us, 85 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: realize what a parlor state their country are in. And 86 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: we have to be united and we have to be 87 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: a strong government that is focused on delivering and that 88 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: succepting what we're doing. 89 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: Jinny, have you heard of Operation Yaka no, I can't 90 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: say head right. So Operation Yaker this was just once 91 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: again the boot camps and stuff like that, and people 92 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: I think you'd be in this camp that say, you know, 93 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: there's no evidence that it works. Operation Yak is a 94 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: thing in Australia. They claim a ninety percent success rate. 95 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: In other words, there are groups out there that do 96 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: work with troubled young people that do have levels of success. 97 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: So the broad based question is, given what we've been 98 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: doing doesn't work, and the crime rate is where it is, 99 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: why wouldn't you want to try something different. 100 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'd argue that the dropping ram Raids, they went 101 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: from one hundred and nineteen a month from the August 102 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: before I was minister down to I think around to 103 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: less than twenty a month now. That hardcore group of 104 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: repeat youth offenders who went through the programs we had, 105 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: which was a full wrap around program, about eighty six 106 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: percent of them did not reoffend. And I think that 107 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: dropping ram Raids is because those programs work, and Karen 108 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: Shaw had said they work, and they've picked them up 109 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: and continued those programs. So it'll be really interesting to 110 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: see what these boot camps actually look like because they're 111 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: more looking, less boot camping and more like what we're 112 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: already doing as the detail news. 113 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: Sorry marke Cary might just just very quickly on there, 114 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: I said, right for the start, I mean, you know, 115 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: putting cambages in like bollards and bulk and as that's fine. 116 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: It gives that shopkeepers a bit more security, and you know, 117 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: on the margins they do work. However, I did say 118 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: at the time that all they do is they'll pivot 119 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: and they'll change your technics. And that's what they've done. 120 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 3: They've moved to aggravated robberies. And you could argue that 121 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: that's even worse. We saw the awful situation unfold and 122 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: Pepper Toot who visited the family the other day, and 123 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: by the way, I just have to say that, you know, 124 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 3: if each son Sonny hadn't stepped forward to defender's father, 125 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: then we probably would have indem held the fatality. And 126 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: he certainly felt that he was going to be killed. 127 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: And for anyone that thinks that these the top end 128 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: offenders aren't violent and doesn't need to be taken off 129 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: our streets and out of the community, just consider this. 130 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: The offenders for the attack followed him into the shop 131 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: and continued to strike him on the head with the hammer. 132 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: And by the way, a full shout out to his 133 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: amazing wife who also showed extraordinary courage and trying to 134 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 3: defend her husband. But this has to stop, and to 135 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 3: stop it, we're going to take those worst violent recidibus 136 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: to youth offenders. We're going to take them out of 137 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: the community, and we're going to invest in them through 138 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: this youth Military Academy, and we're going to try and 139 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 3: give them the best fighting charts to make good decisions 140 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: when they come out instead of continuing to make decisions 141 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 3: that hurt our communities. 142 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: Prey break more at the moment Marke Mintell, Jenny Anderson, 143 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: thirteen past news Sook's it be? Sixteen past eight Jenny 144 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: Anderson Marke Mintell, Jenny, A couple of things for you. 145 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 2: The employment changes that are come in for job secret 146 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: and you've got to go in and have a meeting 147 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: and go to a conference and all that, and I 148 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: get you probably don't like it, but part of what 149 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: that came out of was the number of people who 150 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: are on job Seeker who don't have case managers. How 151 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: can you justify will and extens of one hundred thousand 152 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: people who don't have a case manager. 153 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Well, I have no problem with people turning up and 154 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: checking in, but what's the point of it, as kind 155 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: of my concerned, give them a driver's license, give them 156 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: some on the job training, but just just sitting in 157 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: a hall and checking in and having a seminar. 158 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: Or as it may, these people didn't have case managers. 159 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: Why do so many people not have case managers? They 160 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: were just left to drift. 161 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Well, they should have case managers, people in place. Maybe 162 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: they haven't had seven hundred jobs cut out at NESD 163 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: they might have it. 164 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, this was Ginny. This was under you, 165 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 2: under your government. They didn't have case managers. One hundred 166 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: thousand plus people didn't have a case manager. They just 167 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: hopped on job secret and everyone forgot about them. 168 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Well, that needs to be rectified. But having a seminar 169 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: where they get some information and walk away again, and 170 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: then if they don't turn up to the seminar they 171 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: get kicked off, the kicked off the unemployment benefit. I 172 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: just don't see how that's going to work. What does 173 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: work is what we did, which gave on the job training, 174 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: which gave drivers' licenses, that gave people real skills that 175 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: made more employable. And what this does is absolutely nothing. 176 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: Do you know what literally happens, Mark, Because I've received 177 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: a couple of texts and so basically you turn up 178 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: and they tell you to go to trade me and 179 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: have a look for jobs, and that's their advice for 180 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: the day. 181 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: No, I think no. I think Louise Upset is bringing 182 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: a real focus onto making sure there is proper support 183 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: and the accountability. There's a social contract that exists with 184 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: us as a country whereas we have a very good 185 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: social welfare network and service and to help people, you 186 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: get up, give the hand up. But the reality is 187 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: this ke is that there is a responsibility on the 188 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: other side as well to try and get yourself job ready, 189 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: to try and have an honesty effort actually finding the 190 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: job and getting getting into employment. And I think that's 191 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: really important and that's what Louise is doing. Might just 192 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 3: really really quickly. I just want to finish what I 193 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: was saying about the crime. What I was saying is this, 194 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: We've got a deal. If you want to reduce the 195 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: rand roads and negravated robberies, we actually have to deal 196 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: with the offending and not put band aids on it, 197 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: and that is what we're focused on doing, is actually 198 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: getting people. 199 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: Your Your boot camp's got tap places for ten people 200 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: in it. I think you just filled out loud. 201 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: It's a warm The problem so that's the part and 202 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: the problem that you've got is that you've never understood, 203 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: is it on the fringes that the offenders that you know, 204 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: a lot of the eighty percent of the youth offenders, 205 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: you can actually deal with. You can put a program 206 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: around them, you can actually deal with them in the community. 207 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: It's it's the fifteen it's the ten to fifteen percent 208 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: that are the toughest, most recidivious violent offenders. Those are 209 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 3: the ones that we're targeting, and those are the ones 210 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: that we're and they're responsible for most of these aggravated 211 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: robberies that you see that has got a huge human 212 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 3: costly lines. 213 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: The other thing for you, Jenny, the poll last night, 214 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: it seems to me that although you in a campaign 215 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: go for as many boats as you can and you 216 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: want to run the country by yourself and all that 217 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: sort of stuff, you're going to need the Maori Party, 218 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: how do you sit alongside what increasingly looks to me 219 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: like a bunch of nut jobs often ask, but it 220 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: seems more real. I mean, I get it with the Greens. 221 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: The Greens are crazy as well, but you can you 222 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: can coalesce with and we've got a track record. The 223 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: Maori Party want their own parliament, their own country Tena 224 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: rang a Tiara tongue and never the Twains you'll meet 225 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: and you've somehow got to put that together as a deal. 226 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: Well, we don't support having things like a completely separate 227 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: from Marti parliament. There are some things we could stay 228 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,119 Speaker 1: quite clearly we don't support. What we continue to do 229 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: is make a case for Art for being the next 230 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: government and pointing out some of the massive mistakes this 231 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: government has made. I gets your decisions, but. 232 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: What are you going to do Because it's going to 233 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be real and and unless you somehow 234 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: get to a point where you and the Greens are 235 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: the clear leaders and you can two party it, you're 236 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: going to need to three party it. And they're the 237 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: sort of crazies who are going to go, we don't 238 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: want anything to do with you, and that's going to 239 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: hobble your ambitions in the election campaign. 240 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: Well, i'd come out, I'd say that Winston's come out 241 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: and said some pretty nutty stuff over the last six months. 242 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: You know, he talked about the KKK and things like that. 243 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: So all political parties have in moments of stupid stuff. 244 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: And that's that's what Paul texas about. You make sure 245 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: that you make a case. But Labor works incredibly hard 246 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: to make sure we put forward real alternatives to what 247 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: this government is making an absolute meat out of. I mean, 248 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: cancer drugs alone has hurt so many key weeks in 249 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: terms of brilliant people tired and tired of national promising 250 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: and it's absolutely not. 251 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 3: So you're comparing Watson Winston Peters to the very partty 252 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: Winston Peters. 253 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: That was pretty stuff and it'll be interesting to say 254 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: when he's not. 255 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: And what let me give you. 256 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: Let me give you a contrast between Winston Peter's the 257 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 3: last Labor for him. 258 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: And it sounds like a joke and I can't, okay, 259 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: where we go. 260 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: Well, you've just spoken, you know, just rebeled all for 261 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: five minutes. Give me a couple of minutes every day. 262 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: I just it. So basically, Mike, I just came back 263 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: from Switzerland with the Rushy Crow thing, and I can 264 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: tell you how Winston Peters is highly respected on the 265 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: world stage. He is a statesman, he is one of 266 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 3: our most experienced political leaders. He doesn't spout the sort 267 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: of nonsense and rubbish that you're talking about, and he's 268 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: been out there actually re establishing us on the world stage, 269 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: which is critically important because under the Labor government they 270 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 3: completely failed to do that. So, you know, I think 271 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 3: trying to compare with Peters to Party Mary, most people 272 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: in your own decision on that. But one thing I 273 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 3: will say, Jinny, you'll probably need a breeder disagree doors. 274 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 3: That has to be a whopping, great big one because 275 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: I don't think to Party Mary Party going to leave 276 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 3: you off the hook with some of the changes they 277 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: want to make. 278 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: Good to see both of you, and good luck and 279 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: why Marchal or the Hawks play in general. Mike Mitchell, 280 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson back next Wednesday, eight twenty two. 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