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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b Start your weekend off the

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Speaker 1: right way. Saturday Morning with Jack Tam News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be.

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Speaker 3: Joe and new Zella. Good morning, Welcome to News Talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be Jack Tame with you through to midday today.

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Speaker 3: My barbecue is glistening, it is gleaming. I don't know

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Speaker 3: about you, but I'm a little bit of a nitpicker

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Speaker 3: when it comes to things looking clean and tidy in

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So before barbecue season kicked off,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to give it a really good clean. Went

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Speaker 3: up to Bunnings, got a steel brush, you know, one

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Speaker 3: get in there, really get in there, bit of elbow grease,

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Speaker 3: bit of everything else. So my barbecue is looking absolutely

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Speaker 3: spectacular at the moment. I'm going to fire it up

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Speaker 3: this evening, and we have the recipe for you if

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Speaker 3: you think you're doing the same thing. A beautiful butterfly

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Speaker 3: barbecue chicken with a mango with a mango salsa. That

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Speaker 3: should kick things off of you. I reckon if it's

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Speaker 3: barbecue season at your place as well. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: share that befourteen o'clock this morning, our feature interview after

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock is best selling author only about fifty times over.

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Speaker 3: David Baldacci is going to be with us, the master

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Speaker 3: forward to that, and speaking of great reads, just in

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Speaker 3: time for Christmas, we'll get a new Reacher novel to

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Speaker 3: tell you about this morning as well. Right now, though

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Speaker 3: it is eight minutes past nine, Jack Team, I hate

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Speaker 3: carrying my wallet right Not because I'm a prickle pocket,

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Speaker 3: I swear I'm not. I will always buy my round,

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Speaker 3: I promise you, but because at heart I'm an optimizer,

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Speaker 3: So I don't want something else to remember a bulge

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Speaker 3: to do everything with the least baggage possible, if you

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Speaker 3: has four cards, right, just four. I've got a bank card,

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Speaker 3: a credit card, a driver's license, and then my TV

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Speaker 3: needed an access card to get into the Newstalk's EDB

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Speaker 3: officers as well, but not anymore. We're very much moving

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Speaker 3: with the times. It's twenty twenty five and the Newstalk's

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Speaker 3: Z'B officers we've moved to a digital swipe system like

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Speaker 3: don't carry cash. My wallet actually has nowhere to put it.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a coins purse. There's nowhere really that

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Speaker 3: I don't actually have any cash. I can't remember the

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Speaker 3: time the last time I did. I barely use my

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Speaker 3: physical debit and credit cards. I just pay for everything

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Speaker 3: with my phone for the best price. I do still

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Speaker 3: need a real plastic card for the bus, although they've

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Speaker 3: can also pay with my phone. My library card is digital,

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Speaker 3: concert tickets are digital Auckland FC in New Zealand. All

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Speaker 3: of it is on my phone these days. If all

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Speaker 3: we should be able to access digital drivers' licenses as well.

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Speaker 3: In the US have now gone one step further, as

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Speaker 3: them in digital wallets. And so systems scan your passport

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Speaker 3: They then compare the photo page from your passport with

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Speaker 3: And you can use that ID for domestic travel in

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Speaker 3: international flights. But let's be honest, if they're doing that

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Speaker 3: way for international flights. And I know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 3: Digital passports, digital bank cards, digital drivers' licenses, digital swipe

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Speaker 3: go wrong? And I agree with you, I do. The

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Speaker 3: I reckon, twenty twenty six might be the last year

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Speaker 3: to do with my phone. And while look, I know

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Speaker 3: there are risks. I understand there are risks. I know

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Speaker 3: it's a single point of failure. I know it'll be

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Speaker 3: even more of a disaster if I accidentally lose my phone. Truthfully,

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Speaker 3: my concerns are drowned out by an even stronger impulse.

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Speaker 3: Sure there are security concerns, but man, just think of

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Speaker 3: the convenience.

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Speaker 4: Jack Team ninety two.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two is our text number. If you want to

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Speaker 3: send me your message this morning, don't forget. If you

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Speaker 3: email me as well, jackatnewstalkzb dot co dot nz. So

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Speaker 3: Glenn Close is the kind of Hollywood leading man at

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Speaker 3: the moment, He's the man of the moment, the heart

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Speaker 3: throb of the moment. I'm reliably informed by producer Libby.

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Speaker 3: He's in this brand new film called The Running Man,

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Speaker 3: and it's got an interesting premise, right. So basically, the

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Speaker 3: premise is that there is a TV show somewhere in

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Speaker 3: the near future called The Running Man. It's the top

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Speaker 3: rated show on television and it takes reality TV to

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Speaker 3: the next level in that it's a deadly competition were

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Speaker 3: contestants have to survive thirty days while being hunted by

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Speaker 3: professional assassins. So it's kind of like squid Game or

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Speaker 3: I don't know, like the Hunger Games, but for real. Right, So, anyway,

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Speaker 3: Glenn closes in this new film, we're going to tell

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Speaker 3: you about that. When our film reviewer joined us before

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock, Kevin Milon's going to kick us off for

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Speaker 3: our Saturday Morning together next though. Right now it's fourteen

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Speaker 3: past nine. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning in this

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 3: Tests, I was just testing you. I was just testing you. Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I might have said Glenn close. I meant Glenn Powell. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I meant Glenn Powell. Look Glenn close heart throb of

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Speaker 3: a different kind. Glenn Powell is the star of The

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Speaker 3: Running Man? Is it the or was it just Running Man?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what was the original? Was it also

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Speaker 3: The Running Man? Or Running Man? Because it's a remake

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Speaker 3: of the Schwarzenegger film. Anyway, when Libby was telling about

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Speaker 3: that this morning, she said, have you seen Glenn Powell

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Speaker 3: training for that movie? I said no. She said, I've

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Speaker 3: been looking at videos of online and she said he

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Speaker 3: just it felt sort of it felt carnal, you know. Anyway, Ah, Jack,

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Speaker 3: take it from me, Put a couple of grand in

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Speaker 3: an envelope and leave it at home somewhere safe. Oh,

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Speaker 3: says Muzz. If technology goes down or we have another

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Speaker 3: weather event, you are going to be helpless to do anything. Jack.

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Speaker 3: If you lose your phone, you are temporarily cactus Jack.

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen in a power count? Says Tracy.

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Speaker 3: Jack says land I sincerely hope you have a few

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Speaker 3: hundred bucks stashed in your underdrawer for emergencies. You are very,

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Speaker 3: very vulnerable with your alliance on a machine. I know,

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Speaker 3: I know, I know all of this, and yet I

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Speaker 3: haven't done it. I don't know. I just just, first

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Speaker 3: for me, and that kind of trumps everything. But I

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Speaker 3: I should be having a little emergency you know, a

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Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense anyway. Ninety two ninety two

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Speaker 3: dot NZ. Kevin Milner's with this morning, Kevin. How many

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Speaker 3: cards do you have in your wallet? Do you reckon? You?

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Speaker 2: Actually? I know five.

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Speaker 5: You've made me actually go to my wallet and have

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Speaker 3: Five is not too bad, That's pretty Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well I've got I've got two different credit cards, one

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Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, but I just I just I just keep

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Speaker 3: but I mean and and honestly, I the number of

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Speaker 5: I totally agree.

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Speaker 5: And as for the listener who says, you know, kick

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Speaker 5: I'll be surprised if you can use cash either, well,

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Speaker 5: because it won't be Yes, I wouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: I was on Hurricane Sandy in New York. Do you

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Speaker 3: clearly I need to, you know, learn my own lesson there.

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Speaker 3: I suppose you set myself up for an urgency. Even

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Speaker 3: if you're gonna if you're going to live your life

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Speaker 3: have a little bit of a backup plan at home,

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Speaker 3: don't you. I think it probably makes a lot.

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Speaker 5: Yes, my feeling is that if the system goes down,

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Speaker 5: it's going to be difficult for stores to take in

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Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, this is just absolutely too cool to not

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Speaker 3: No very much looking forward to it. Tomorrow morning, thank

431
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Speaker 3: you SEV. Of course we're going to have live coverage

432
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Speaker 3: of the All backs England to twicken them tomorrow morning,

433
00:23:43,693 --> 00:23:47,253
Speaker 3: just after four o'clock on news Talks, EDB and gold Sport.

434
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for all of your messages, so

435
00:23:50,253 --> 00:23:53,493
Speaker 3: many messages regarding going digital this morning, Jack, come on,

436
00:23:53,693 --> 00:23:57,173
Speaker 3: just read the headlines around AI powered hacking, says Greg.

437
00:23:57,213 --> 00:23:59,693
Speaker 3: Digital terrorism is going to level up. In my opinion,

438
00:23:59,693 --> 00:24:02,933
Speaker 3: there's a real risk in going digital or going to digital,

439
00:24:03,773 --> 00:24:06,253
Speaker 3: Jack recash. The biggest lesson from the Christ which Earth

440
00:24:06,693 --> 00:24:08,213
Speaker 3: was that it's really important to have a bit of

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00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:11,493
Speaker 3: cash available. Remember if pose was down for days, supermarkets

442
00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:13,693
Speaker 3: were still open, but only to cash. Make sure you've

443
00:24:13,693 --> 00:24:16,133
Speaker 3: got a bit of cash at home. And Jack, don't

444
00:24:16,133 --> 00:24:18,613
Speaker 3: scare us all these well, we won't be able to

445
00:24:18,653 --> 00:24:21,773
Speaker 3: go digital. So if the whole world goes digital, we'll

446
00:24:21,773 --> 00:24:23,893
Speaker 3: be left behind. No, don't stress I don't think there's

447
00:24:23,893 --> 00:24:27,413
Speaker 3: any suggestion from anyone anywhere that we're going solely digital

448
00:24:27,493 --> 00:24:29,853
Speaker 3: anytime soon. I don't think that's Like even with the

449
00:24:29,933 --> 00:24:33,813
Speaker 3: driver's licenses, they're keeping physical driver's licenses for you know,

450
00:24:34,013 --> 00:24:36,333
Speaker 3: for the foreseeable future. So don't stress out about that.

451
00:24:36,333 --> 00:24:37,973
Speaker 3: But I'll get tomorrow your feedback in a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us

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Speaker 3: a message, I will tell you about the heart throb

454
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Speaker 3: Glenn Powell's new film in a couple of minutes. Oh,

455
00:25:14,253 --> 00:25:16,733
Speaker 3: I like a little bit of europop from time to time.

456
00:25:18,133 --> 00:25:21,653
Speaker 3: That's Robin the Swedish pop legend. It's a new song

457
00:25:21,693 --> 00:25:23,973
Speaker 3: called Dopamine. I like it, but of fun. Just coming

458
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Speaker 3: up to twenty to ten on news Talks dB, which

459
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Speaker 3: means it's time to get your film picks for the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Francesca Rudkin as our film reviewer. Of course, she's here

461
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Speaker 3: with her two films for the weekend. Killed her.

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Speaker 9: Good morning.

463
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Speaker 3: Let's begin this morning with the remake of The Running Man.

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Speaker 10: Ben Richards thirty five, married, one child, in medical crisis.

465
00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:49,253
Speaker 10: We need money for a doctor now.

466
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Speaker 11: But there's still a way out for you. It's the

467
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Speaker 11: biggest show in the country.

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Speaker 12: Welcome to The Running MANE.

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Speaker 3: Bye ba right Oh Glen Glenn Powell not to be

470
00:26:02,173 --> 00:26:05,813
Speaker 3: confused with Glenn Close, of course, although that would have

471
00:26:05,893 --> 00:26:09,253
Speaker 3: that really he would have been a remake, ye watching

472
00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:12,733
Speaker 3: a yes, yes, guiltiest charge.

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Speaker 13: There we go.

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Speaker 14: Look he is the man in a moment, isn't he

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Speaker 14: He kind of He's been around for a long time,

476
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Speaker 14: but I think it was twenty twenty to his top

477
00:26:20,573 --> 00:26:23,733
Speaker 14: gun Maverick, which kind of showcased his charisma and his

478
00:26:23,813 --> 00:26:26,253
Speaker 14: star power, and since then he'd kind of been unstoppable.

479
00:26:26,293 --> 00:26:30,653
Speaker 14: There's been anyone but you and hit Man and Twister.

480
00:26:30,813 --> 00:26:31,533
Speaker 9: And he's on far.

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Speaker 14: If you remember, if you remember the eighties, if you

482
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:36,373
Speaker 14: were going to the movies in the eighties, you remember

483
00:26:36,413 --> 00:26:39,293
Speaker 14: that Iras Schortz Maker start of the original and this

484
00:26:39,373 --> 00:26:43,013
Speaker 14: is an adaptation of Seven Kings dystopian novel, and they're

485
00:26:43,053 --> 00:26:45,893
Speaker 14: quite different films in the sense that in this film,

486
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Speaker 14: the director Edgar Wright, who is responsible for things like

487
00:26:48,693 --> 00:26:50,733
Speaker 14: Sewann of the Dead and Hot Fathers and Baby Driver,

488
00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:53,013
Speaker 14: he stuck a little bit more closely to the book

489
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Speaker 14: as opposed to the original adaptation, and instead of being

490
00:26:58,053 --> 00:27:00,973
Speaker 14: Richards being a falsely in prisoned convict, he's kind of

491
00:27:00,973 --> 00:27:02,853
Speaker 14: an ordinary unemployed father.

492
00:27:02,773 --> 00:27:04,213
Speaker 9: Struggling to look after his family.

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00:27:04,253 --> 00:27:06,573
Speaker 14: And they've created, I think this character so that we

494
00:27:06,413 --> 00:27:07,973
Speaker 14: we get behind him a little bit.

495
00:27:07,813 --> 00:27:10,213
Speaker 9: More, we can relate to him and have sympathy with

496
00:27:10,293 --> 00:27:12,293
Speaker 9: him in things. But you know, this is a pretty

497
00:27:12,373 --> 00:27:12,973
Speaker 9: violent film.

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00:27:13,013 --> 00:27:15,853
Speaker 14: I mean, it's everyone for themselves, We're set in this very,

499
00:27:15,893 --> 00:27:19,333
Speaker 14: as I said, dystopian world where there's just a few

500
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:22,693
Speaker 14: who are in control and they manipulate and they're corrupt,

501
00:27:22,893 --> 00:27:26,413
Speaker 14: and you know, they run things for themselves. And Ben

502
00:27:26,493 --> 00:27:30,013
Speaker 14: Richards is unemployed because he tried to stick up for

503
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Speaker 14: his fellow workers who were suffering from radiation poisoning and things,

504
00:27:34,533 --> 00:27:35,693
Speaker 14: and so he's been blacklisted.

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00:27:35,733 --> 00:27:36,373
Speaker 9: He can't work.

506
00:27:37,093 --> 00:27:39,093
Speaker 14: His daughter is sick, she has the flu, and he

507
00:27:39,173 --> 00:27:41,573
Speaker 14: says she is going to die of the flu because

508
00:27:41,613 --> 00:27:44,573
Speaker 14: I can't we can't afford medication. So he goes off

509
00:27:44,573 --> 00:27:46,653
Speaker 14: in auditions for these TV shows and gets selected for

510
00:27:46,653 --> 00:27:48,293
Speaker 14: The Running Man, which is a little bit like kind

511
00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:49,373
Speaker 14: of games for adults in.

512
00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:51,853
Speaker 9: The sense that you've got thirty days to.

513
00:27:51,893 --> 00:27:56,213
Speaker 14: Try and outwit and outlast some hunters who are after you.

514
00:27:56,293 --> 00:27:58,533
Speaker 14: And if your last thirty days you win one billion

515
00:27:58,573 --> 00:28:00,893
Speaker 14: new dollars. If you don't, you killed. So yeah, a

516
00:28:00,933 --> 00:28:04,493
Speaker 14: bit on the line there, Jack, and so off we go.

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Speaker 9: Lots of really great action scenes. It's fun.

518
00:28:09,013 --> 00:28:12,773
Speaker 14: Michael Sarah and William mat Macy also appear as allies.

519
00:28:12,813 --> 00:28:13,933
Speaker 9: It's got a great cast.

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00:28:15,013 --> 00:28:16,853
Speaker 14: I think they struggled a little bit to keep the

521
00:28:16,853 --> 00:28:19,053
Speaker 14: pace consistent it fell a bit flat at times, and

522
00:28:19,093 --> 00:28:19,493
Speaker 14: it led to.

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00:28:19,453 --> 00:28:22,853
Speaker 9: A little bit of an underwhelming final act. I can't go.

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00:28:22,973 --> 00:28:24,493
Speaker 15: Oh, okay, it wasn't quite what I.

525
00:28:24,413 --> 00:28:25,253
Speaker 9: Was hoping it would be.

526
00:28:25,733 --> 00:28:29,053
Speaker 14: But look, if you're after a popcorn movie, then of

527
00:28:29,093 --> 00:28:31,933
Speaker 14: course Glenn Powell dressed and only a towel. Some great

528
00:28:31,973 --> 00:28:34,253
Speaker 14: action scenes and if you laugh, what more do you want?

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Speaker 9: There?

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Speaker 2: You go?

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Speaker 3: Very good? Okay, yeah, that sound like a bit of fun.

532
00:28:37,253 --> 00:28:40,853
Speaker 3: But yeah, pretty violent as well. Okay, so that's The

533
00:28:40,933 --> 00:28:43,253
Speaker 3: Running Man, the remake of The Running Man that's showing

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00:28:43,253 --> 00:28:45,573
Speaker 3: in cinemas at the moment. Also showing in cinemas this

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00:28:45,893 --> 00:28:46,893
Speaker 3: is keeper.

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00:28:49,453 --> 00:28:50,613
Speaker 9: Can I trust this man?

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00:28:54,813 --> 00:29:07,093
Speaker 11: Can I trust this one?

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00:29:08,773 --> 00:29:10,933
Speaker 3: Yeah? I am. I was just I was letting their

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00:29:10,973 --> 00:29:15,413
Speaker 3: hang there for a moment. I can tell already just

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00:29:15,413 --> 00:29:16,013
Speaker 3: from the audio.

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Speaker 14: I'm like, so I did have a giggle when I

542
00:29:20,053 --> 00:29:22,253
Speaker 14: was watching us. I just went, I'll just leave jet No,

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00:29:22,373 --> 00:29:24,613
Speaker 14: this is he can miss this one. He really wouldn't

544
00:29:24,813 --> 00:29:27,693
Speaker 14: with this one at all. Well, Osgod Perkins is the director.

545
00:29:27,733 --> 00:29:29,973
Speaker 14: He brought us Long Legs, which was the big breaker

546
00:29:30,093 --> 00:29:34,053
Speaker 14: hit last year, maybe and The Monkey. He's very prolific

547
00:29:34,053 --> 00:29:35,213
Speaker 14: when it comes to releasing films.

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00:29:35,253 --> 00:29:35,653
Speaker 9: At the moment.

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Speaker 14: He's a horror master, and he really does try and

550
00:29:37,973 --> 00:29:40,773
Speaker 14: provide us with something different but unique. We have a

551
00:29:40,813 --> 00:29:42,733
Speaker 14: couple who go to a cabin in the woods and

552
00:29:42,773 --> 00:29:45,693
Speaker 14: then and then off we go, and the whole time

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00:29:45,733 --> 00:29:47,693
Speaker 14: we're a little bit confused as to whether this is

554
00:29:47,733 --> 00:29:51,493
Speaker 14: sort of one of those, you know, relationship horrors, whether

555
00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:55,013
Speaker 14: it is actually all a dream, or whether it's you know,

556
00:29:55,173 --> 00:29:59,813
Speaker 14: it's very eerie, it's very creepy. It's very understated, but

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00:29:59,933 --> 00:30:02,173
Speaker 14: the jump frights are in there. There's a lot of

558
00:30:02,213 --> 00:30:06,733
Speaker 14: wonderful confusion. This house, which is really awesome Cavin the woods,

559
00:30:06,773 --> 00:30:08,213
Speaker 14: very understated architectural gym.

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00:30:08,253 --> 00:30:09,693
Speaker 9: Can I just say I love looking at it. It

561
00:30:09,893 --> 00:30:12,213
Speaker 9: kind of breathe with the woods. You don't quite know

562
00:30:12,253 --> 00:30:14,573
Speaker 9: what's going on or who to trust, all what's happening.

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00:30:14,733 --> 00:30:16,253
Speaker 9: It's actually quite a simple story.

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00:30:16,253 --> 00:30:18,973
Speaker 14: But the way he shoots them, and the angles he

565
00:30:19,093 --> 00:30:21,693
Speaker 14: chooses the shots, and the sounds that he uses just

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00:30:21,773 --> 00:30:25,213
Speaker 14: does it takes you on a really nice horror ride.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it's a bit. I feel like that that

568
00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,573
Speaker 3: in itself is just like a bit of an oxymoron,

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00:30:30,653 --> 00:30:35,173
Speaker 3: a really nice horror ride. It takes you on a

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00:30:35,213 --> 00:30:36,533
Speaker 3: really nice horror ride.

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00:30:36,653 --> 00:30:39,093
Speaker 9: You know, it's just satisfactory horror.

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00:30:39,253 --> 00:30:44,173
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, cool. So that's keeper. Francisca's first

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00:30:44,173 --> 00:30:46,053
Speaker 3: film was, of course, The Running Man, and both of

574
00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:47,813
Speaker 3: those will be up on the news Talks website. Thank

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00:30:47,853 --> 00:30:50,333
Speaker 3: you so much, Francisca. We will catch you again very soon.

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00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:52,253
Speaker 3: Ben has fed me. You know, so, Jack, I don't

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00:30:52,253 --> 00:30:55,493
Speaker 3: carry any cards. Everything is on my Google wallet on

578
00:30:55,533 --> 00:30:59,453
Speaker 3: my phone these days. Jack going digital only opens the

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Speaker 3: way for the eventual micro chip in the arm for

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00:31:02,053 --> 00:31:05,453
Speaker 3: ID for everyone. Do do do do do do do do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's easy to be silly about that,

582
00:31:08,653 --> 00:31:11,573
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm if it's convenient for me. Now you

583
00:31:11,573 --> 00:31:13,213
Speaker 3: can see it is a bit of a slippery slow

584
00:31:13,373 --> 00:31:15,213
Speaker 3: argument that probably applies for that one, isn't it for

585
00:31:15,253 --> 00:31:17,133
Speaker 3: the old microchip in the arm? Think if that ninety

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Speaker 3: two ninety two. If you want to send us a message,

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00:31:19,773 --> 00:31:22,613
Speaker 3: Jacket Newstalks, headb dot co dot NZ. Hey, after ten

588
00:31:22,653 --> 00:31:26,053
Speaker 3: o'clock we've got our screen time segments. So if I

589
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:28,613
Speaker 3: don't know, you've been to both of those films at

590
00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:30,573
Speaker 3: the movies and now you just feel like veging out

591
00:31:30,573 --> 00:31:32,893
Speaker 3: on the couch at home. Or maybe you just can't

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00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:35,853
Speaker 3: be bothered getting out of your jarmis. We've got three

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00:31:35,893 --> 00:31:38,333
Speaker 3: shows to recommend in our screen time segment for shows

594
00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:41,173
Speaker 3: that you can watch or stream at home, including this

595
00:31:41,493 --> 00:31:48,133
Speaker 3: really really kind of charming comedy drama mystery series starring

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00:31:48,173 --> 00:31:50,173
Speaker 3: one of my favorite, if not my favorite, British actor,

597
00:31:50,173 --> 00:31:53,773
Speaker 3: Timothy Spall. He of ours vedas en pet fame. So

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00:31:53,853 --> 00:31:55,973
Speaker 3: we'll tell you about that show after ten o'clock this morning.

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00:31:56,013 --> 00:31:58,013
Speaker 3: Next up, though, our cook is in with her beautiful

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00:31:58,053 --> 00:32:02,413
Speaker 3: butterfly barbecue chicken with mango salsa recipe fourteen to ten

601
00:32:02,453 --> 00:32:03,413
Speaker 3: on News Talks, he'd.

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Speaker 1: Be Saturday morning with Jack team leaving the.

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00:32:06,813 --> 00:32:10,213
Speaker 4: Conversation going through the weekend US Talks'd.

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Speaker 3: Be ten on News Talks, he'd be cook. Niki Wicks

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00:32:13,253 --> 00:32:15,013
Speaker 3: is here this morning. Nikki. Do you have a big

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00:32:15,093 --> 00:32:15,853
Speaker 3: chunky wallet.

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00:32:17,813 --> 00:32:20,173
Speaker 16: I listened to your intro this morning, Jack, and I thought,

608
00:32:20,253 --> 00:32:22,813
Speaker 16: oh no, if we reached peak wallet.

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00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:26,053
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I think I think we're well passed peak wallet.

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00:32:26,173 --> 00:32:29,733
Speaker 3: I think I think we are. I think I sincerely think. Look,

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00:32:29,933 --> 00:32:32,333
Speaker 3: let's put down the date. Okay, I reckon, So here

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00:32:32,373 --> 00:32:35,653
Speaker 3: we go. There is mid November twenty twenty six. Is

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00:32:35,653 --> 00:32:37,373
Speaker 3: going to be significant for a couple of reasons, as

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00:32:37,413 --> 00:32:40,533
Speaker 3: we've learned this morning. Number one, it's when the spacecraft

615
00:32:40,653 --> 00:32:43,813
Speaker 3: Voyager will be a full light day away from Earth,

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00:32:44,213 --> 00:32:47,973
Speaker 3: which will mean it's the furthest the furthest distance that

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00:32:48,093 --> 00:32:51,733
Speaker 3: any human made object has ever traveled. And as well

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00:32:51,773 --> 00:32:53,573
Speaker 3: as that, it will be a time at which Jack

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Speaker 3: Tame no longer needs to carry a wallet. That's my

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Speaker 3: prediction BETWEENY twenty six.

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Speaker 16: Which one of those things is more well, well, you know.

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Speaker 3: In terms of human achievement.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I was right here with you, Jack and

624
00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:09,493
Speaker 16: toll the when you mentioned a word that I almost abhore.

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00:33:09,653 --> 00:33:13,413
Speaker 16: If that's the words I think award and that is convenient.

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00:33:14,453 --> 00:33:17,093
Speaker 16: I think we have to be extremely careful when we

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00:33:17,213 --> 00:33:19,573
Speaker 16: go down the line of convenience, because to me, that

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00:33:19,733 --> 00:33:22,613
Speaker 16: is the root of all ills in our current society,

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Speaker 16: particularly with food. Yes, once you start going convenience, then

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Speaker 16: an actual fact, you start you start not eating as

631
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Speaker 16: well as you could for your health. So I was

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00:33:32,693 --> 00:33:34,613
Speaker 16: thinking this as I was listening to you, and I

633
00:33:34,653 --> 00:33:37,333
Speaker 16: was too righteous about it, And then suddenly I realized

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00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:39,773
Speaker 16: that this morning, I'm suggesting that people buy one free

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00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:45,053
Speaker 16: range butterflied chicken from the supermarket because they are already

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Speaker 16: brined generally, and that makes them succulent and fantastic. And

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Speaker 16: I thought, well, that's a convenience food. To be honest,

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Speaker 16: in the old days, you would have had to Brian.

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Speaker 4: Of course, of course, so you see these things, sneak.

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Speaker 3: Can I just take a middle ground on this? Can

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00:34:03,733 --> 00:34:07,133
Speaker 3: I say that you're yes? In principle? Yes, I look,

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Speaker 3: And this is why I was trying to own, you know,

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Speaker 3: the the in the seduction that I've kind of fallen for. Like, yes,

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Speaker 3: convenience I think has many downsides, but I think there's

645
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Speaker 3: probably a happy middle ground. You know, if we if

646
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Speaker 3: we have if I go one hundred percent digital, but

647
00:34:24,573 --> 00:34:27,133
Speaker 3: we still have physical cards for people who don't want

648
00:34:27,133 --> 00:34:29,013
Speaker 3: to go one hundred percent digital, that seems like a

649
00:34:29,013 --> 00:34:31,853
Speaker 3: good middle ground for me. And maybe if I want

650
00:34:31,853 --> 00:34:33,893
Speaker 3: to make a butterfly chicken but actually I don't want

651
00:34:33,893 --> 00:34:35,333
Speaker 3: to have to brand it myself, that's a good thing

652
00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:35,693
Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 16: Okay, all right, we're there, all right. I guess everything

654
00:34:39,613 --> 00:34:42,373
Speaker 16: else in my recipe this morning as well, in terms

655
00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:44,333
Speaker 16: of you know, we're not we're not throwing our own

656
00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:45,613
Speaker 16: garlics many of us.

657
00:34:45,533 --> 00:34:46,213
Speaker 15: What actually I do.

658
00:34:46,773 --> 00:34:48,573
Speaker 16: We're not We're not throwing our own lives, you know,

659
00:34:48,693 --> 00:34:51,093
Speaker 16: to some extent. All of those things are convenient to

660
00:34:51,133 --> 00:34:53,573
Speaker 16: go and purchase, so I get that. Yeah, anyway, I'm

661
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:55,693
Speaker 16: not really here to talk about wallets all chicken this morning,

662
00:34:55,693 --> 00:34:57,493
Speaker 16: in a funny way, I'm here to talk about mangoes.

663
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: So we've got this beautiful butterfly chicken, spicy and delicious

665
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:04,173
Speaker 16: that I'm going to do on the barbecue. But the

666
00:35:04,253 --> 00:35:06,733
Speaker 16: hero in actual fact is the mango. So also that

667
00:35:06,773 --> 00:35:09,853
Speaker 16: I'm serving it with and mangos at the moment, the

668
00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:13,133
Speaker 16: Australian ones are in. They have a shortish season in

669
00:35:13,173 --> 00:35:17,133
Speaker 16: New Zealand. They're prohibitively expensive. They're is good eight dollars

670
00:35:17,213 --> 00:35:19,373
Speaker 16: ninety when I've breached just one, you know, earlier in

671
00:35:19,413 --> 00:35:22,613
Speaker 16: the week, which is outrageous. But they're massive. They don't

672
00:35:22,613 --> 00:35:24,813
Speaker 16: have a huge pip in them, so you get plenty

673
00:35:24,813 --> 00:35:28,333
Speaker 16: of mango out of them, and they are divine, they

674
00:35:28,373 --> 00:35:32,093
Speaker 16: honestly are, and they're sort of everyone's a winner kind

675
00:35:32,133 --> 00:35:33,733
Speaker 16: of thing. You don't get some and then you find

676
00:35:33,733 --> 00:35:36,333
Speaker 16: they're all stringing a bit brown inside. So look, what's

677
00:35:36,413 --> 00:35:39,253
Speaker 16: up this little mango salsa. You'll probably only need half

678
00:35:39,293 --> 00:35:42,933
Speaker 16: of the beautiful big ozzie mango dice it really. Finally,

679
00:35:43,093 --> 00:35:46,013
Speaker 16: take half a red onion and dice that very finely

680
00:35:46,053 --> 00:35:49,093
Speaker 16: as well. If you're a little bit if you're a

681
00:35:49,093 --> 00:35:51,693
Speaker 16: little bit sensitive to a raw onion, then just pop

682
00:35:51,693 --> 00:35:53,733
Speaker 16: it in a little bit of water, the diced onion

683
00:35:54,213 --> 00:35:55,813
Speaker 16: with a little bit of lemon juice, and that'll take

684
00:35:55,973 --> 00:35:57,853
Speaker 16: some of the kind of string out of it, if

685
00:35:57,893 --> 00:35:59,773
Speaker 16: you like, and then drain it off well.

686
00:35:59,613 --> 00:35:59,973
Speaker 10: To use it.

687
00:36:00,013 --> 00:36:02,573
Speaker 16: If you're into red up your raw onion, go for it.

688
00:36:02,613 --> 00:36:03,493
Speaker 15: Just use it as it is.

689
00:36:04,133 --> 00:36:07,693
Speaker 16: A nice small handful of fresh chopped coriyan one teaspoon

690
00:36:07,813 --> 00:36:11,173
Speaker 16: of cuman seeds toasted, so heading kind of towards the

691
00:36:11,213 --> 00:36:15,053
Speaker 16: Mexican flavor. Here, nice big juice of one lime or

692
00:36:15,133 --> 00:36:17,813
Speaker 16: lemons if you've got those, and a good quarter of

693
00:36:17,853 --> 00:36:21,813
Speaker 16: a teaspoon of salt, and be prepared after fifteen minutes

694
00:36:21,853 --> 00:36:23,773
Speaker 16: to add a little bit more salt or a little

695
00:36:23,773 --> 00:36:26,053
Speaker 16: bit more lime juice if you need to. Jack so

696
00:36:26,213 --> 00:36:28,813
Speaker 16: always with a salta you want to make that first

697
00:36:28,813 --> 00:36:31,453
Speaker 16: and leave it for at least fifteen minutes for the

698
00:36:31,453 --> 00:36:33,973
Speaker 16: flavors to really kind of open up to each other.

699
00:36:34,693 --> 00:36:36,973
Speaker 16: And then you taste it and you say, oh, now what.

700
00:36:36,973 --> 00:36:37,453
Speaker 14: Does it need.

701
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:39,773
Speaker 16: If you taste it straight away, you'll go, oh, not

702
00:36:39,853 --> 00:36:42,293
Speaker 16: very flavorful. So just leave it to kind of marry

703
00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:45,133
Speaker 16: up there. So make the salcer first, and then rack

704
00:36:45,213 --> 00:36:49,213
Speaker 16: a beautiful, big, free range, convenient butterflies already brined chipen

705
00:36:49,253 --> 00:36:50,973
Speaker 16: on the barbecue with a bit of olive oil and

706
00:36:51,013 --> 00:36:53,773
Speaker 16: salt all over it. Cook that off. And I'm not

707
00:36:53,853 --> 00:36:56,173
Speaker 16: a big one for marinating things and then putting them

708
00:36:56,173 --> 00:36:58,133
Speaker 16: on the barbecue, because I think you just burn it

709
00:36:58,173 --> 00:37:01,853
Speaker 16: all off. So I insacked cook my protein first, and

710
00:37:01,933 --> 00:37:04,693
Speaker 16: then you want to smother it in the following mix,

711
00:37:04,893 --> 00:37:07,733
Speaker 16: and then while it's still warm, pop it back on

712
00:37:07,773 --> 00:37:09,973
Speaker 16: the barbecue for a very short time, and then you've

713
00:37:09,973 --> 00:37:13,733
Speaker 16: got this beautiful marinated chicken. I use a bit of

714
00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:16,733
Speaker 16: tomato chutney, maybe three tablespoons of that, the zest and

715
00:37:16,773 --> 00:37:19,373
Speaker 16: juice of two limes or lemon, some cut up into

716
00:37:19,373 --> 00:37:22,613
Speaker 16: wedges perhaps to serve as well. Three garlic clothes, crush

717
00:37:22,693 --> 00:37:27,133
Speaker 16: those up, one tablespoon of human seeds, one teaspoon of

718
00:37:27,573 --> 00:37:30,613
Speaker 16: smoked paprika. That'll give you a beautiful flavor, half a

719
00:37:30,653 --> 00:37:32,773
Speaker 16: teaspoon of chili flakes or more if you like this

720
00:37:32,893 --> 00:37:35,333
Speaker 16: really spicy. Two teaspoons.

721
00:37:35,373 --> 00:37:35,893
Speaker 9: That's a lot.

722
00:37:35,893 --> 00:37:38,573
Speaker 16: But we've got a big chicken here. Of sea salt,

723
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:41,613
Speaker 16: that's the flakes, and half a teaspoon of pepper. Mix

724
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:43,613
Speaker 16: all of that together, and then once your chicken is

725
00:37:43,613 --> 00:37:46,693
Speaker 16: sort of fully cooked, smother it in this on both sides,

726
00:37:46,733 --> 00:37:48,773
Speaker 16: and then cook it off for a little bit longer

727
00:37:48,773 --> 00:37:51,893
Speaker 16: on your barbecue, and then bring it off the barbecue

728
00:37:51,893 --> 00:37:54,253
Speaker 16: and rest it. You tear all of that chicken off

729
00:37:54,253 --> 00:37:57,613
Speaker 16: the bone and serve this with the salsa, with some

730
00:37:57,653 --> 00:38:01,333
Speaker 16: beautiful warm tortilla. You could also have on the side

731
00:38:01,373 --> 00:38:04,573
Speaker 16: some guacamole, some lettuce, that kind of thing. And you've

732
00:38:04,613 --> 00:38:07,853
Speaker 16: just got a lovely big sheer meal and you've splashed

733
00:38:07,893 --> 00:38:10,813
Speaker 16: out on the nono, which is expensive. But let me

734
00:38:10,853 --> 00:38:13,133
Speaker 16: tell you this chicken, we'll go around. It'll go around

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Speaker 16: twelve twelve.

736
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to

738
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Speaker 1: know Saturday Morning with Jack dam News Talks eb.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Oh so, Nikki's recipe for that beautiful butterfly chicken with

741
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Speaker 3: mango salsa is up on the news Talks hev website.

742
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Speaker 3: If you're thinking like I am, that maybe that could

743
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Speaker 3: be a good option this weekend. After ten o'clock, we've

744
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Speaker 3: got your screen time picks for this weekend if you

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Speaker 3: want to sit on the couch after devouring that beautiful,

746
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Speaker 3: beautiful dinner and watch a brand new show as well

747
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Speaker 3: as that feature interview. Right after the Tenna Coot News

748
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Speaker 3: best selling author David Baldacci is going to be with us.

749
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Speaker 3: He has written some incredible thrillers. He's got a brand

750
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Speaker 3: new one called Nash Falls. We'll have all the details shortly.

751
00:38:59,453 --> 00:39:04,973
Speaker 3: News is next though it's almost ten o'clock on newstalks 'bow.

752
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Speaker 1: Cracking Way an't you Saturday Saturday Morning with Jadam News

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00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:10,533
Speaker 1: Talk Zippy.

754
00:39:35,293 --> 00:39:38,933
Speaker 3: David belt Archie is one of the world's favorite storytellers.

755
00:39:39,093 --> 00:39:42,333
Speaker 3: He's written more than fifty books, and his specialist knowledge

756
00:39:42,373 --> 00:39:45,293
Speaker 3: of the US political system and law make his stories

757
00:39:45,373 --> 00:39:50,133
Speaker 3: international best sellers. His newest book is called Nash Falls.

758
00:39:50,253 --> 00:39:52,413
Speaker 3: It introduces a new character and is the start of

759
00:39:52,453 --> 00:39:56,333
Speaker 3: a brand new pulse pounding series. And David is with

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Speaker 3: us this morning. Calder, welcome to the show.

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00:39:58,973 --> 00:39:59,293
Speaker 10: Thank you.

762
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:01,173
Speaker 3: It's great to be on, great to be speaking with

763
00:40:01,253 --> 00:40:03,813
Speaker 3: you well, just a few months after your first visit

764
00:40:03,853 --> 00:40:06,333
Speaker 3: to New Zealand as well, So it's really good for

765
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:09,093
Speaker 3: audience to be hearing from you once again. Tell us

766
00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:11,893
Speaker 3: a little bit about Nash, fools, because this is an

767
00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:13,453
Speaker 3: entirely new character.

768
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Walter Nash is unlike any character I've written about.

769
00:40:17,213 --> 00:40:18,933
Speaker 10: He's not in the military, he's not an agent or

770
00:40:18,933 --> 00:40:22,293
Speaker 10: a detective. He's never lifted a weight, he's never fired

771
00:40:22,293 --> 00:40:24,933
Speaker 10: a gun and anger. He's a businessman, very successful, has

772
00:40:24,973 --> 00:40:28,653
Speaker 10: a nice life with his wife and teenage daughter. He's

773
00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:31,213
Speaker 10: a strangeman's father who just recently passed away. He was

774
00:40:31,253 --> 00:40:35,333
Speaker 10: a Vietnam veteran. And at the night at the father's

775
00:40:35,373 --> 00:40:38,133
Speaker 10: funeral at his home, very late at night, Nash is

776
00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:41,013
Speaker 10: the only one awake. An FBI agent all of a

777
00:40:41,053 --> 00:40:43,133
Speaker 10: sudden shows up and tells Nash that the company he's

778
00:40:43,213 --> 00:40:46,373
Speaker 10: working for is actually part of the criminal organization and

779
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:48,813
Speaker 10: they want him to help them take it down. So

780
00:40:48,853 --> 00:40:51,933
Speaker 10: he gives national choice to work with us, because if

781
00:40:51,973 --> 00:40:53,453
Speaker 10: you don't, you're going to go down. And if you

782
00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:55,213
Speaker 10: work with us, you're going to have to give everything

783
00:40:55,253 --> 00:40:58,653
Speaker 10: you have. So it's really quite the Hobson's choice. You know,

784
00:40:59,133 --> 00:41:00,773
Speaker 10: no matter what choice he makes is going to be

785
00:41:00,813 --> 00:41:02,173
Speaker 10: the end of Walter Nash.

786
00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:05,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a tricky choice to make, and I'm

787
00:41:05,453 --> 00:41:07,573
Speaker 3: sure of viewers will get a our listeners will have

788
00:41:07,613 --> 00:41:09,773
Speaker 3: a good sense of where he might go with that.

789
00:41:09,893 --> 00:41:12,453
Speaker 3: But where do you come up with this kind of concept?

790
00:41:12,493 --> 00:41:17,573
Speaker 3: Because obviously, you know your stories deal with conspiracies and

791
00:41:17,613 --> 00:41:20,333
Speaker 3: with power and with law enforcement a lot of the time.

792
00:41:20,373 --> 00:41:22,893
Speaker 3: But where did you get the idea of Walter Nash.

793
00:41:23,973 --> 00:41:26,333
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I've been writing a long time and

794
00:41:26,373 --> 00:41:29,373
Speaker 10: one of my chief things that I do to keep

795
00:41:29,373 --> 00:41:32,133
Speaker 10: myself motivated is to challenge myself, try something new, get

796
00:41:32,133 --> 00:41:35,213
Speaker 10: out of my comfort zone, create characters I haven't created before.

797
00:41:35,453 --> 00:41:39,053
Speaker 10: So Walter Nash is sort of my experiment of I

798
00:41:39,093 --> 00:41:43,213
Speaker 10: could take a human being and suddenly rip everything away

799
00:41:43,333 --> 00:41:45,973
Speaker 10: that they've had in their life and see how they

800
00:41:46,053 --> 00:41:48,533
Speaker 10: can keep going, how they can pick themselves back up,

801
00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:53,573
Speaker 10: and how resilient they are, and interesting in a novel

802
00:41:53,653 --> 00:41:55,973
Speaker 10: to see how a fictional character could do that, And

803
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:58,653
Speaker 10: that was my test with Walter Nash. I could push

804
00:41:58,693 --> 00:42:00,613
Speaker 10: this guy not just up against the wall, but through

805
00:42:00,613 --> 00:42:02,213
Speaker 10: the wall and see what he would do.

806
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:05,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, So is that there's quite a deliberate decision. You

807
00:42:05,453 --> 00:42:07,693
Speaker 3: challenge yourself to get out side of your comfort zone

808
00:42:07,693 --> 00:42:08,933
Speaker 3: for creative purposes.

809
00:42:09,893 --> 00:42:11,853
Speaker 10: You really have to, Otherwise you're just going to become

810
00:42:11,893 --> 00:42:14,173
Speaker 10: a book factory where you're writing the same plot and

811
00:42:14,213 --> 00:42:16,133
Speaker 10: over and over again. We're just changing the names. I

812
00:42:16,653 --> 00:42:18,533
Speaker 10: never want to do that. I'd be bored writing it

813
00:42:18,573 --> 00:42:19,613
Speaker 10: and you'd be bored reading it.

814
00:42:19,773 --> 00:42:22,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so good. So do you see this becoming

815
00:42:22,213 --> 00:42:24,293
Speaker 3: a series of sorts? Do you know it that early on?

816
00:42:25,373 --> 00:42:27,533
Speaker 10: There will be at the end of the hardcover for

817
00:42:27,653 --> 00:42:29,813
Speaker 10: Nash Falls, their first two chapters of a book called

818
00:42:29,853 --> 00:42:32,493
Speaker 10: Hope Rises, which is the sequel, and that'll be out

819
00:42:32,493 --> 00:42:35,013
Speaker 10: in April of next year. And I could not finish

820
00:42:35,253 --> 00:42:37,333
Speaker 10: this book and just one single volume. There had to

821
00:42:37,373 --> 00:42:39,933
Speaker 10: be two novels. And you will learn a lot more

822
00:42:39,973 --> 00:42:43,293
Speaker 10: about Walter Nash and Victoria Steers as protagonist in the

823
00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:45,973
Speaker 10: next novel. So that one is done, and I want

824
00:42:46,013 --> 00:42:48,933
Speaker 10: to readers in Nash Falls to be able to get

825
00:42:48,973 --> 00:42:51,573
Speaker 10: a few chapters at the end about Hope Rises, so

826
00:42:51,573 --> 00:42:53,613
Speaker 10: they can have that sort of bridge between the two books.

827
00:42:53,893 --> 00:42:58,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh fantastic. So, like I said, your stories often

828
00:42:58,533 --> 00:43:03,493
Speaker 3: involve power and the use of power. How are you

829
00:43:03,573 --> 00:43:08,213
Speaker 3: thinking about your storytelling in this specific moment, because it

830
00:43:08,213 --> 00:43:11,173
Speaker 3: feels like, you know, when we are considering who wields

831
00:43:11,213 --> 00:43:14,133
Speaker 3: power and how power is being exercised, not just in

832
00:43:14,173 --> 00:43:16,093
Speaker 3: the US, but around the world at the moment that

833
00:43:16,173 --> 00:43:20,093
Speaker 3: we are at a moment of significant change, we are, you.

834
00:43:20,013 --> 00:43:22,933
Speaker 10: Know, and I think money equates with power. Great wealth,

835
00:43:22,973 --> 00:43:26,733
Speaker 10: which we have enormous concentrated pockets of wealth around the world.

836
00:43:26,773 --> 00:43:30,213
Speaker 10: Certainly we have that in the United States, and I

837
00:43:30,213 --> 00:43:33,413
Speaker 10: don't think we've ever had a closer nexus between great

838
00:43:33,453 --> 00:43:36,053
Speaker 10: wealth and political power, at least in my country, than

839
00:43:36,093 --> 00:43:39,093
Speaker 10: we have right now. And for a lot of people,

840
00:43:39,133 --> 00:43:42,893
Speaker 10: it's very disconcerting. You know, if you're enormously wealthy, you

841
00:43:42,893 --> 00:43:45,093
Speaker 10: have your own agenda and the means to influence people

842
00:43:45,133 --> 00:43:47,493
Speaker 10: and politics to get laws passed will help you. And

843
00:43:47,533 --> 00:43:50,293
Speaker 10: we're definitely seeing that happen right now. No matter whether

844
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:53,573
Speaker 10: it's good for everyone else or not. If it's good

845
00:43:53,613 --> 00:43:55,693
Speaker 10: for the wealthy people, then they have the means and

846
00:43:55,733 --> 00:43:58,293
Speaker 10: the resources to get laws and acted that will help them,

847
00:43:58,533 --> 00:44:01,813
Speaker 10: or laws that ignored will also help them. So it's

848
00:44:02,453 --> 00:44:05,253
Speaker 10: it's quite a challenging time right now. I mean great

849
00:44:05,253 --> 00:44:07,773
Speaker 10: for fiction writers, because you know, I only have to

850
00:44:07,973 --> 00:44:11,333
Speaker 10: write about things are plausible, and I would challenge anyone

851
00:44:11,693 --> 00:44:14,573
Speaker 10: to say that what I'm writing about is not plausible

852
00:44:14,613 --> 00:44:16,133
Speaker 10: if you just look at events going on.

853
00:44:16,093 --> 00:44:16,813
Speaker 4: In the real world.

854
00:44:17,773 --> 00:44:21,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's it. It sometimes feels like, you know,

855
00:44:21,053 --> 00:44:24,053
Speaker 3: a lot of the institutions that for a long time,

856
00:44:24,173 --> 00:44:28,413
Speaker 3: outside observers have sort of felt, would you know, would

857
00:44:29,293 --> 00:44:32,733
Speaker 3: provide a check on certain parts of the executive certainly

858
00:44:32,733 --> 00:44:35,493
Speaker 3: in other parts of the US government, of perhaps acting

859
00:44:35,493 --> 00:44:37,893
Speaker 3: in ways that we haven't seen before, and that certain

860
00:44:37,933 --> 00:44:41,213
Speaker 3: individuals have a degree of impunity when it comes to

861
00:44:41,293 --> 00:44:43,933
Speaker 3: exercising power. Do you personally feel worried by it?

862
00:44:45,213 --> 00:44:46,973
Speaker 10: I did? You know? I do every day. I mean,

863
00:44:47,013 --> 00:44:50,253
Speaker 10: the founding fathers did not build this country to be

864
00:44:50,333 --> 00:44:52,413
Speaker 10: that way. That's why we had three branches of governments

865
00:44:52,413 --> 00:44:54,453
Speaker 10: so they could have checks and balances on the other

866
00:44:55,373 --> 00:44:57,453
Speaker 10: The one thing they were terribly concerned about was an

867
00:44:57,533 --> 00:45:02,453
Speaker 10: unshocked executive power, which we've seen to have right now. Look,

868
00:45:02,493 --> 00:45:05,333
Speaker 10: I don't care what country you live in. If you're

869
00:45:05,333 --> 00:45:07,973
Speaker 10: a student of history, will realize that when you put

870
00:45:08,253 --> 00:45:10,093
Speaker 10: all your faith in one leader to make all the

871
00:45:10,133 --> 00:45:12,653
Speaker 10: decisions and no one will challenge that leader. It never

872
00:45:12,813 --> 00:45:15,693
Speaker 10: ends well for anyone, so why should we expect it

873
00:45:15,733 --> 00:45:16,493
Speaker 10: to end well today?

874
00:45:16,733 --> 00:45:20,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. Do you think that because of your

875
00:45:20,213 --> 00:45:24,773
Speaker 3: writing and storytelling, the way in which you observe the

876
00:45:24,813 --> 00:45:27,013
Speaker 3: world and the way in which you kind of observe

877
00:45:27,093 --> 00:45:30,253
Speaker 3: these extraordinary times differs from you know, the average person

878
00:45:30,253 --> 00:45:32,213
Speaker 3: who might just be getting news updates and that kind

879
00:45:32,253 --> 00:45:32,493
Speaker 3: of thing.

880
00:45:33,413 --> 00:45:34,933
Speaker 10: I absolutely do. I mean, I look at it as

881
00:45:35,053 --> 00:45:37,213
Speaker 10: opportunities for stories that I can tell, but I also

882
00:45:37,253 --> 00:45:39,613
Speaker 10: look at it as for I try to take, you know,

883
00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,653
Speaker 10: at a macro level, all the enormous things that are

884
00:45:42,653 --> 00:45:48,093
Speaker 10: going on AI, crypto, powerful politicians, enormous wealth. That's interesting

885
00:45:48,093 --> 00:45:50,373
Speaker 10: to write about. But what makes it truly interesting is

886
00:45:50,453 --> 00:45:55,253
Speaker 10: writing about stories where those sorts of things impact everyday people. Yeah.

887
00:45:55,373 --> 00:45:57,413
Speaker 10: That's where you can bring it into people's homes and

888
00:45:57,453 --> 00:45:59,093
Speaker 10: so they can look at it and ask the question,

889
00:45:59,253 --> 00:46:01,213
Speaker 10: my god, what would I do if that were me?

890
00:46:02,173 --> 00:46:03,373
Speaker 10: Which really makes people think.

891
00:46:04,133 --> 00:46:06,373
Speaker 3: You're listening to Jack Tame. I'm speaking to David Beldart

892
00:46:06,693 --> 00:46:10,253
Speaker 3: about his latest thriller. It's called Nash Falls. Do you

893
00:46:10,253 --> 00:46:13,493
Speaker 3: think when in observing the world as you do, that

894
00:46:13,533 --> 00:46:18,573
Speaker 3: you are able to not necessarily predict the future, but

895
00:46:18,653 --> 00:46:21,893
Speaker 3: you're able to view things in a historical context in

896
00:46:21,933 --> 00:46:23,213
Speaker 3: a way that perhaps others don't.

897
00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:28,333
Speaker 10: I think everyone should read more history because history will

898
00:46:28,613 --> 00:46:31,893
Speaker 10: definitely give you good guidance in the president and in

899
00:46:31,933 --> 00:46:34,373
Speaker 10: the future, because things happen over and over again. The

900
00:46:34,373 --> 00:46:37,093
Speaker 10: one thing that remains static throughout history as human beings.

901
00:46:37,293 --> 00:46:39,773
Speaker 10: You know, Shakespeare centuries ago I wrote about people who

902
00:46:39,773 --> 00:46:42,613
Speaker 10: are petty and jealous and hatred, were full of hate

903
00:46:42,613 --> 00:46:45,453
Speaker 10: and anger, and today we have the same So it's

904
00:46:45,493 --> 00:46:47,653
Speaker 10: just a different sort of stage, but the same actors

905
00:46:47,653 --> 00:46:51,893
Speaker 10: playing roles. So I think historical perspective is truly important.

906
00:46:51,973 --> 00:46:54,333
Speaker 10: And I read a lot of history over time, which

907
00:46:54,733 --> 00:46:57,053
Speaker 10: makes me realize the times we're in right now are

908
00:46:57,133 --> 00:46:57,853
Speaker 10: quite frightening.

909
00:46:58,013 --> 00:47:00,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel optimistic for your country?

910
00:47:01,693 --> 00:47:03,773
Speaker 10: Have to be? You know, I feel like there are

911
00:47:03,893 --> 00:47:07,773
Speaker 10: enough good Americans out there who they don't. I think

912
00:47:07,813 --> 00:47:09,493
Speaker 10: they think this is not who we are or what

913
00:47:09,533 --> 00:47:11,533
Speaker 10: we want to be. This is not what we envisioned

914
00:47:11,533 --> 00:47:13,133
Speaker 10: this country to be, This is not what we fought

915
00:47:13,133 --> 00:47:15,973
Speaker 10: all those wars over the years to be. And I

916
00:47:16,013 --> 00:47:19,493
Speaker 10: think that, you know, positive change, pensilins will swing back

917
00:47:19,533 --> 00:47:21,413
Speaker 10: and maybe we can get back on a good track.

918
00:47:21,573 --> 00:47:25,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, you made some really interesting comments to a panel

919
00:47:25,653 --> 00:47:29,733
Speaker 3: of US senators regarding artificial intelligence, and it came from

920
00:47:29,773 --> 00:47:33,173
Speaker 3: an experience you had watching your son using chat GPT.

921
00:47:33,453 --> 00:47:34,733
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what happened?

922
00:47:35,693 --> 00:47:37,653
Speaker 10: Yeah? So you put in there right a plot that

923
00:47:37,693 --> 00:47:39,813
Speaker 10: sounds like a David Baldacci novel, and then within three

924
00:47:39,853 --> 00:47:42,093
Speaker 10: seconds there was a plot that sounded like an amalgamation

925
00:47:42,213 --> 00:47:44,213
Speaker 10: of all the books I've written, and I come to

926
00:47:44,213 --> 00:47:47,053
Speaker 10: find out that they had taken virtually all of my books,

927
00:47:47,213 --> 00:47:50,333
Speaker 10: most of them off of a Russian parrotid website to

928
00:47:50,373 --> 00:47:52,693
Speaker 10: feed into the large language models. I've been involved in

929
00:47:52,733 --> 00:47:56,053
Speaker 10: a class action lawsuit against a Open AI and Microsoft

930
00:47:56,093 --> 00:47:59,933
Speaker 10: DAI for the last nearly three years. We just settled

931
00:47:59,933 --> 00:48:03,053
Speaker 10: the case in California with Anthropic for one point five billion,

932
00:48:03,093 --> 00:48:06,093
Speaker 10: but it continues to go on, and I think that

933
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,013
Speaker 10: we have to make a stand when people feel like

934
00:48:08,053 --> 00:48:12,493
Speaker 10: they can just take your property without permission or compensation'

935
00:48:12,853 --> 00:48:14,293
Speaker 10: that's the hill that you have to die on.

936
00:48:14,413 --> 00:48:18,013
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, how we were talking about individuals with impunity.

937
00:48:18,053 --> 00:48:19,773
Speaker 3: But I suppose it's a good argument to be made

938
00:48:19,773 --> 00:48:24,973
Speaker 3: that some country, some companies are maybe behaving as though

939
00:48:24,973 --> 00:48:27,813
Speaker 3: they similarly have a kind of degree of impunity.

940
00:48:28,533 --> 00:48:31,973
Speaker 10: They clearly are, you know, I definitely have gotten a

941
00:48:32,053 --> 00:48:33,173
Speaker 10: very personal taste of that.

942
00:48:33,533 --> 00:48:35,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you see there? What do you see as

943
00:48:35,813 --> 00:48:39,893
Speaker 3: being an appropriate balance then, for the use of these

944
00:48:39,973 --> 00:48:45,693
Speaker 3: large language models in artificial intelligence, whilst also protecting or

945
00:48:45,773 --> 00:48:51,293
Speaker 3: adequately compensating the creators on whom whose work these models rely.

946
00:48:52,373 --> 00:48:54,373
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I license my work all over the world.

947
00:48:54,453 --> 00:48:56,493
Speaker 10: I do you know. I have lots of forty five

948
00:48:56,493 --> 00:49:00,373
Speaker 10: different publishers. I have licensed my work for television. I've

949
00:49:00,453 --> 00:49:04,453
Speaker 10: licensees for films, I have licenser for streaming, so they

950
00:49:04,493 --> 00:49:06,933
Speaker 10: can come to me, we can negotiate a deal. But

951
00:49:06,973 --> 00:49:08,733
Speaker 10: no one ever came to me. So, I mean, I'm

952
00:49:08,853 --> 00:49:11,493
Speaker 10: very used to working out deals. So people can use

953
00:49:11,493 --> 00:49:14,293
Speaker 10: my material if they want, but they have to get

954
00:49:14,293 --> 00:49:15,693
Speaker 10: my permission and they have to pay me. We have

955
00:49:15,733 --> 00:49:18,213
Speaker 10: to arrive in an agreement. I would imagine that. You know,

956
00:49:18,213 --> 00:49:20,253
Speaker 10: if I went and tried to steal Microsoft and metas

957
00:49:20,253 --> 00:49:21,893
Speaker 10: intellectual property, they'd probablyssue me.

958
00:49:22,173 --> 00:49:27,053
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So, how was the risk of the legal

959
00:49:28,693 --> 00:49:33,693
Speaker 3: process going for you? You're part of this big classiction lawsuit,

960
00:49:33,533 --> 00:49:35,853
Speaker 3: but is it likely to be resolved anytime soon.

961
00:49:37,053 --> 00:49:39,413
Speaker 10: It doesn't look like it's going to be resolved anytime soon.

962
00:49:39,413 --> 00:49:41,413
Speaker 10: And I never say never. I'm scheduled. I think to

963
00:49:41,453 --> 00:49:44,613
Speaker 10: be deposed sometime in January. We've gone through a lot

964
00:49:44,653 --> 00:49:46,813
Speaker 10: of discovery. You have to turn over every scrap the

965
00:49:46,813 --> 00:49:49,613
Speaker 10: paper you ever created. You know, I was a lawyer

966
00:49:49,693 --> 00:49:52,373
Speaker 10: for ten years. I understand how game is played. It's

967
00:49:52,373 --> 00:49:55,013
Speaker 10: no fun being in litigation. But in litigation we are.

968
00:49:55,213 --> 00:49:55,453
Speaker 2: Yeah.

969
00:49:55,653 --> 00:49:57,213
Speaker 3: Like I said at the start of this interview, you

970
00:49:57,213 --> 00:49:58,573
Speaker 3: were in New Zealand at the start of this year.

971
00:49:58,893 --> 00:50:00,613
Speaker 3: Are we going to see you Beck here sometime soon?

972
00:50:01,733 --> 00:50:04,573
Speaker 10: I loved, we loved our visit. We were there for

973
00:50:04,573 --> 00:50:06,493
Speaker 10: a couple of months in Australia and New Zealand. And

974
00:50:07,693 --> 00:50:09,373
Speaker 10: the book I'm working on it'll be out in the

975
00:50:09,373 --> 00:50:11,733
Speaker 10: fall of twenty twenty six, is actually said in Australia

976
00:50:11,773 --> 00:50:13,293
Speaker 10: and I may jumped the ditch to go over to

977
00:50:13,333 --> 00:50:15,413
Speaker 10: New Zealand during the course of the novel as well.

978
00:50:15,693 --> 00:50:17,413
Speaker 10: We loved our time there and we're looking forward to

979
00:50:17,453 --> 00:50:18,413
Speaker 10: coming back do it.

980
00:50:18,493 --> 00:50:21,733
Speaker 3: We would love that we have we have this like

981
00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:25,813
Speaker 3: you know, this kind of little brother chip on our shoulder,

982
00:50:25,853 --> 00:50:28,813
Speaker 3: and that we absolutely love any global reference to New

983
00:50:28,893 --> 00:50:31,573
Speaker 3: Zealand anywhere. If our country is ever referenced in a film,

984
00:50:31,613 --> 00:50:33,253
Speaker 3: we love it. If it's a music, we love it.

985
00:50:33,373 --> 00:50:35,413
Speaker 3: And if it was in a David Balderti novel, I

986
00:50:35,413 --> 00:50:39,693
Speaker 3: can tell you we would be delighted. Okay, hey, thank

987
00:50:39,693 --> 00:50:42,693
Speaker 3: you so much. Congratulations on nash Falls and we look

988
00:50:42,693 --> 00:50:43,493
Speaker 3: forward to speaking soon.

989
00:50:45,013 --> 00:50:45,773
Speaker 10: Thank you very much.

990
00:50:45,853 --> 00:50:50,693
Speaker 3: Take care that is David Baldarci. Nash Falls is available now.

991
00:50:51,013 --> 00:50:52,413
Speaker 3: We've got a little details for it up on the

992
00:50:52,413 --> 00:50:54,773
Speaker 3: News Talks, he'd be website, and yes I did wonder,

993
00:50:54,813 --> 00:50:58,133
Speaker 3: of course if his time in New Zealand had acted

994
00:50:58,133 --> 00:51:00,653
Speaker 3: as a little bit of an inspiration for Walter Nash.

995
00:51:01,693 --> 00:51:04,093
Speaker 3: He said, Oh Walter Nash, Okay, I'm not sure what

996
00:51:04,213 --> 00:51:07,813
Speaker 3: his knowledge of former New Zealand prime is, but you know,

997
00:51:08,013 --> 00:51:10,453
Speaker 3: I mean you'd be turning back the hands of time

998
00:51:10,493 --> 00:51:16,213
Speaker 3: a little bit. Anyway. Yeah, fantastic read Nashville. So all

999
00:51:16,253 --> 00:51:18,933
Speaker 3: the details are up on the website. Before eleven o'clock

1000
00:51:18,973 --> 00:51:21,013
Speaker 3: on News Talks, he'd b we are in the garden

1001
00:51:21,093 --> 00:51:24,493
Speaker 3: and our texpert is here with details on a new

1002
00:51:24,573 --> 00:51:27,373
Speaker 3: plan from the makers behind chat GPT, who are going

1003
00:51:27,453 --> 00:51:31,213
Speaker 3: to roll out a brand news service in New Zealand.

1004
00:51:31,293 --> 00:51:32,893
Speaker 3: So it's one of these things where the big tech

1005
00:51:32,933 --> 00:51:34,933
Speaker 3: companies often look at New Zealand and think it's a

1006
00:51:34,933 --> 00:51:37,293
Speaker 3: good testing ground for things because it's a market that's

1007
00:51:37,333 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 3: a whole lot smaller than lots of the other international market.

1008
00:51:40,293 --> 00:51:42,373
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a it's a bit of a

1009
00:51:42,573 --> 00:51:45,013
Speaker 3: you know, a perfect kind of market for trialing new

1010
00:51:45,053 --> 00:51:47,013
Speaker 3: products to see if they work or not, or to

1011
00:51:47,053 --> 00:51:49,533
Speaker 3: see in which ways people use them. So we're going

1012
00:51:49,533 --> 00:51:51,453
Speaker 3: to tell you about that very shortly and what the

1013
00:51:51,493 --> 00:51:54,973
Speaker 3: new GPT feature that will be available in New Zealand

1014
00:51:55,133 --> 00:51:57,933
Speaker 3: actually is. Next up, we'll get your screen time picks

1015
00:51:57,973 --> 00:52:00,173
Speaker 3: for this weekend as well, three shows to recommend for

1016
00:52:00,213 --> 00:52:02,933
Speaker 3: watching from the company your couch. It's just coming up

1017
00:52:02,973 --> 00:52:03,973
Speaker 3: to twenty past ten.

1018
00:52:05,573 --> 00:52:09,293
Speaker 1: On your weekend the right way Saturday Morning with Jack

1019
00:52:09,413 --> 00:52:10,773
Speaker 1: dam News Dogs.

1020
00:52:10,573 --> 00:52:14,253
Speaker 3: At b Pretty through our Sam Non news Stalk ZB

1021
00:52:14,413 --> 00:52:17,973
Speaker 3: Tara Award is our screen time expert. It is her

1022
00:52:18,173 --> 00:52:21,493
Speaker 3: grave responsibility to come in this time every week with

1023
00:52:21,573 --> 00:52:24,333
Speaker 3: three shows to recommend for watching or streaming at home.

1024
00:52:24,613 --> 00:52:28,773
Speaker 12: Gilda Tara count Jacket's a responsibility I take very seriously.

1025
00:52:29,013 --> 00:52:31,013
Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Tarah, what a

1026
00:52:31,013 --> 00:52:34,053
Speaker 3: professional you are. I am really looking forward to your

1027
00:52:34,053 --> 00:52:37,733
Speaker 3: first recommendation this morning because I love Timothy Spaull. Tell

1028
00:52:37,813 --> 00:52:39,093
Speaker 3: us about Death Valley.

1029
00:52:40,013 --> 00:52:43,493
Speaker 12: Yeah, this is a charming new British murder mystery series

1030
00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:46,493
Speaker 12: Cozy Crime, I guess you call it. It stars Timothy Spall,

1031
00:52:46,573 --> 00:52:50,933
Speaker 12: who plays an actor a national treasure who became famous

1032
00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:53,893
Speaker 12: for playing a police detective on a long running TV

1033
00:52:53,973 --> 00:52:56,933
Speaker 12: show in the UK, and he since retired from acting

1034
00:52:57,053 --> 00:52:59,733
Speaker 12: and moved to a village in Wales where he has

1035
00:52:59,773 --> 00:53:03,213
Speaker 12: become quite reclusive. Doesn't go out, isn't very friendly, doesn't

1036
00:53:03,253 --> 00:53:07,893
Speaker 12: talk to anyone. But one of his neighbors dies suspicious circumstances,

1037
00:53:07,973 --> 00:53:10,053
Speaker 12: and a detective knocks on his door one day to

1038
00:53:10,093 --> 00:53:12,813
Speaker 12: see if he knows anything about the death. And the

1039
00:53:12,813 --> 00:53:14,773
Speaker 12: detective is a young woman who was a big fan

1040
00:53:14,813 --> 00:53:17,933
Speaker 12: of his TV show. She has some on all of

1041
00:53:17,933 --> 00:53:22,413
Speaker 12: the Dock's methods of investigation and they forge this unlikely friendship,

1042
00:53:22,853 --> 00:53:25,693
Speaker 12: and Timothy Spall's character can't help himself from getting involved

1043
00:53:25,693 --> 00:53:28,373
Speaker 12: in the case after all his years of playing a

1044
00:53:28,413 --> 00:53:31,693
Speaker 12: detective on screen, and so together it's kind of a

1045
00:53:31,813 --> 00:53:34,613
Speaker 12: murder case of the Week kind of show. Each week

1046
00:53:34,613 --> 00:53:36,813
Speaker 12: they're going to solve a mysterious death and this beautiful

1047
00:53:36,853 --> 00:53:40,653
Speaker 12: little village in Wales. And so if you like Doc Martin,

1048
00:53:40,813 --> 00:53:42,733
Speaker 12: or if you like the Broken Wood Mysteries, you will

1049
00:53:42,773 --> 00:53:45,293
Speaker 12: like this as well. It's funny, it's charming, it's got

1050
00:53:45,293 --> 00:53:48,413
Speaker 12: this gorgeous setting. It's very familiar. You know, this is

1051
00:53:48,453 --> 00:53:52,533
Speaker 12: nothing groundbreaking, and the murder cases aren't the side level complex,

1052
00:53:52,853 --> 00:53:56,093
Speaker 12: but it's about the quirky villagers and the humor. It's

1053
00:53:56,093 --> 00:53:59,213
Speaker 12: not taking itself too seriously. It's one of those warm,

1054
00:53:59,373 --> 00:54:02,253
Speaker 12: funny shows you can relax into on a Sunday night

1055
00:54:02,293 --> 00:54:03,053
Speaker 12: and just enjoy it.

1056
00:54:03,093 --> 00:54:05,813
Speaker 3: Oh so good. Okay. So that starts tomorrow on TVNZ

1057
00:54:05,973 --> 00:54:10,133
Speaker 3: one TVNZ Plus. It's called Death Valley. Next up a

1058
00:54:10,173 --> 00:54:12,973
Speaker 3: show on three Now tell Us about I Jack.

1059
00:54:13,093 --> 00:54:17,213
Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, another British drama. This is a thriller made

1060
00:54:17,213 --> 00:54:20,613
Speaker 12: by Chris Lang, who created the brilliant show Unforgotten, and

1061
00:54:20,653 --> 00:54:24,453
Speaker 12: it's about the chaos that happens after a wealthy man

1062
00:54:24,493 --> 00:54:28,013
Speaker 12: called Jack Wright dies. Jack's death initially looks like a

1063
00:54:28,053 --> 00:54:31,813
Speaker 12: suicide and it brings all his family together, his children,

1064
00:54:31,893 --> 00:54:35,893
Speaker 12: his two wives, some loyal employees, to his funeral and

1065
00:54:35,933 --> 00:54:38,293
Speaker 12: to the reading of his will, and everyone there is

1066
00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:42,133
Speaker 12: anticipating that they are about to inherit a huge fortune.

1067
00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:45,213
Speaker 12: But the will reveals that Jack has left barely anything

1068
00:54:45,253 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 12: to his family, and the autopsy shows that his death

1069
00:54:48,373 --> 00:54:51,133
Speaker 12: was probably a murder. And so this feels a bit

1070
00:54:51,293 --> 00:54:55,093
Speaker 12: like a cross between succession, with all the different family

1071
00:54:55,133 --> 00:54:59,053
Speaker 12: and friends squabbling and vying for power and money and

1072
00:54:59,293 --> 00:55:02,133
Speaker 12: god like an Agatha Christie sort of murder mystery, with

1073
00:55:02,173 --> 00:55:05,373
Speaker 12: lots of connected characters who are all hiding something, who

1074
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Speaker 12: all have secrets. There's lots of mysterious mysteries to be

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Speaker 12: untangled here, and it's done in quite a fun, over

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00:55:12,213 --> 00:55:15,933
Speaker 12: the top way that pokes fun at people's greed and jealousy.

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Speaker 12: What I would say is that episode one is setting

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Speaker 12: up a lot of things. So just hanging there until

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Speaker 12: the end when the will is read, because that really

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Speaker 12: kick starts the conflict and the drama. But this is

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Speaker 12: quite a fun, juicy murder mystery about some very badly

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Speaker 12: behaved people who will do whatever it takes to get

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Speaker 12: what they want.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Okay, So that's Eye Jack right. That's on three now,

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00:55:36,933 --> 00:55:39,933
Speaker 3: and another thriller on Netflix, Clear Danes and Matthew Reese

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Speaker 3: are in the Beast of the Beast in Me.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And a new psychological thriller dropped on Netflix this week,

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00:55:46,893 --> 00:55:49,133
Speaker 12: And if you like a Harlan Coben thriller on Netflix,

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Speaker 12: I think you're like this as well. This stars Clear

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Speaker 12: Danes and Matthew Reese, who both give amazing performances in this.

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Speaker 12: Claire Danes plays Aggie, who is a Pulitzer Prize award

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Speaker 12: winning writer. She's struggling to finish her next book after

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Speaker 12: the death of her young son in the breakup of

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Speaker 12: her marriage, and she lives alone in a very big

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Speaker 12: house in a wealthy neighborhood on Long Island. Matthew Reese

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Speaker 12: plays her creepy new neighbor, Nile, who is also famous

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Speaker 12: or infamous for being the number one suspect in the

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Speaker 12: suspicious death of his wife a few years earlier. And

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Speaker 12: strange things start to happen once Nile moves in that

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00:56:25,053 --> 00:56:27,533
Speaker 12: makes Eggie want to find out whether he did kill

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Speaker 12: his wife or not, and so she decides to write

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Speaker 12: her next book about him instead, And so there's this

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00:56:33,093 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 12: tense cat and mouse game between the two of them.

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Speaker 12: They both really need each other and they both find

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Speaker 12: each other quite intriguing, but they're both also extremely suspicious.

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Speaker 12: And this is just one of Netflix's reliable, bingeable, tense

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Speaker 12: psychological thrillers. You know it's got clichesn't it, But I

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00:56:49,493 --> 00:56:52,613
Speaker 12: think you can overlook them because it's fast paced, it's

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Speaker 12: easy to watch, and I think the performances from Claar

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Speaker 12: Danes and Matthew Reece really lift this up and make

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Speaker 12: it worth watching.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, So that's the beast in me. It's on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: I Jack Right, Jack Right? Is Jack Right with a

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Speaker 3: w H is on three now and the one with

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Speaker 3: Timothy Spall that's called Death Valley. It's on TV and

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Speaker 3: one starts tomorrow, and of course on TV and Z Plus.

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Speaker 4: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 7: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks B.

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Speaker 3: Bringing a bit of Spanish flair this morning on News

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Speaker 3: Talks B. Don't you worry about that? The song is

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Speaker 3: called Bassel. It's by Rosalia means kiss in Spanish. Pop

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00:58:05,813 --> 00:58:10,493
Speaker 3: Icon has described the Barcelona born Rosalia as quote a

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Speaker 3: true visionary and when you listen to her work you

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Speaker 3: can kind of hear why so. She recorded her debut

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Speaker 3: album as part of her graduate thesis and it infused

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Speaker 3: all these different genres kind of folklore, traditions, flamenco and

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Speaker 3: R and B rhythms, and from there Rosalia has done

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Speaker 3: nothing but innovate.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: She just released a fourth album. The album is called Lax.

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Speaker 3: It was recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra and it

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Speaker 3: features Rossalalia singing in thirteen different languages, just putting us

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Speaker 3: all to shame. So we're going to have a little

1134
00:58:46,893 --> 00:58:48,813
Speaker 3: bit of space after eleven o'clock this morning so we

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Speaker 3: can listen to a couple of different songs from Lax.

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Speaker 3: Our music reviewer is going to be in performer day

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Speaker 3: as well to give us his thoughts on the album

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Speaker 3: as a whole. And you have to tell us what

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Speaker 3: he thought of that final Oasis performance last week. He

1140
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Speaker 3: was there in Sydney for the final show, so I'm

1141
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Speaker 3: hoping he enjoyed it as much as we all anticipated

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Speaker 3: he would. Before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden. Our

1143
00:59:10,173 --> 00:59:12,693
Speaker 3: man in the garden is rude plying passed, and next up,

1144
00:59:12,693 --> 00:59:17,933
Speaker 3: our expert is in with this ridiculous new ad Apple product.

1145
00:59:18,213 --> 00:59:23,453
Speaker 3: It's not digital, it's a fashion item, and not that

1146
00:59:23,533 --> 00:59:26,493
Speaker 3: I'm any sartorial expert. I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 3: it's a little.

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Speaker 4: Overpriced, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic

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Speaker 4: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 8: Thanks about regulatory standards Bill got through, Dandy drive it

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Speaker 8: through in the Ministry of Regulation, they would see more

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Speaker 8: of it.

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Speaker 4: The Labor Party will flip it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's of course if the Labour Party.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I get all that, but if you haven't got

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Speaker 17: broad base support on yes and no. David Parker one

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Speaker 17: of the more thoughtful guys I think would have been

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Speaker 17: open to it. Duncan were bellows that he's not actually

1159
00:59:51,053 --> 00:59:54,213
Speaker 17: standing for christ Duke Central, so frankly he's the shooting blanks.

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Speaker 17: Alena Williams stood up in the debates, sung for the

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Speaker 17: first two minutes, then cried, then talk about our ancestors,

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Speaker 17: and then made some incoherent points about the legislation. So

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Speaker 17: I am sad that we don't have cross party support,

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Speaker 17: but and those circumstances, it is challenging.

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Speaker 5: Back Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 5: the Defendant News Talk zed B.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five to eleven on News Talk ZEDB. We started

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Speaker 3: the show this morning. Well, I started the show by

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Speaker 3: admitting I am getting more and more digital by the day.

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Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for convenience, I admit it. So when

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Speaker 3: digital driver's licenses are introduced, I will be among the

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Speaker 3: first in line. But in the US, of course, I've

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Speaker 3: gone one step further. In the last week, Apple has

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Speaker 3: confirmed it's introducing digital passports, just in time for the

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving holiday season. Our Texbert Paul Stenhouse is here with

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Speaker 3: the details. Paul, what could possibly go wrong?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Nothing, And Jack, I'm just like you.

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Speaker 18: At the moment, I could download and put my passport

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Speaker 18: on my phone.

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Speaker 3: Of course I did.

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Speaker 19: It because it's just convenient.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 18: Look, unless there's some bigger conspiracy or bigger thing happening,

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Speaker 18: all it is is that your passport details are loaded

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Speaker 18: onto your phone. It's no different really than taking a

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Speaker 18: photo of your passport or I don't know, writing down

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Speaker 18: the details into a note. You know, like it really

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Speaker 18: isn't that scary. I think people are concerned about maybe

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Speaker 18: the apps and if you use it with an app,

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Speaker 18: either in person or online, which is part of the feature, right,

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Speaker 18: So it's trying to make it more accessible. You know,

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Speaker 18: what could they do with the data.

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Speaker 6: But you know, maybe I'm naive.

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Speaker 18: Maybe I'm wrong, but I do tend to trust Apple

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Speaker 18: with this one, and I will say they made the

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Speaker 18: process remarkably easy. So I think when the New Zealand

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Speaker 18: digital driver's licenses roll out, which they were talking about

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Speaker 18: late twenty twenty five, which is kind of a nice

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Speaker 18: now will it be late twenty twenty five, you'll have

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Speaker 18: a download, nap.

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Speaker 10: And do this.

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Speaker 18: But Apple is just in the wallet app, so you

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01:01:55,253 --> 01:01:57,173
Speaker 18: literally just go on tap new as if you were

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Speaker 18: adding a credit card. You put your phone over top

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Speaker 18: of the passport.

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Speaker 2: And it just does its thing.

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Speaker 10: It's very easy.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So just to be totally clear, you get your

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Speaker 3: passport out, you open it to the photo page.

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Speaker 19: Yep, you take a photo of it. Yeah, it scans

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Speaker 19: the details.

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Speaker 18: Then you set your phone on your passport and it

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01:02:16,213 --> 01:02:18,733
Speaker 18: reads the chip yep, and it sort of vibrates. I

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Speaker 18: think it reads it maybe five times or so to

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Speaker 18: make sure it gets the data right, and then it's

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Speaker 18: done right.

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Speaker 19: That's it.

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Speaker 3: And so in the US, of course, you have to

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Speaker 3: if you're traveling domestically within the US, you have to

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Speaker 3: show a photo ID, which is not something you have

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Speaker 3: to do in New Zealand And. That's where this will

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Speaker 3: be used for the time being. Right, they're not using

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Speaker 3: this for international flights, yes.

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Speaker 11: No, they not.

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Speaker 18: I mean, wouldn't that be great You jump off the

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Speaker 18: plane and you can just tap your phone.

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Speaker 3: Surely it won't be long, right, this is my point.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be that long, is it.

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Speaker 18: Well, I mean, okay, So not to get into the

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Speaker 18: nitty gritty details, but there are some things over here

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Speaker 18: called trust is trusted Traveler programs where effectively you pay

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Speaker 18: money and you can become sort of pre vetted. And

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Speaker 18: so when I arrive into the country now, because I

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Speaker 18: do this program, I don't even stop. I walk into

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Speaker 18: the special schooled Global entry line and it scans my

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Speaker 18: face and I don't even have to go up to

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Speaker 18: a machine.

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Speaker 10: I just walk straight through.

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Speaker 18: The officer at the end says my name to verify it,

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Speaker 18: and I walk through and I'm done. Like that's passport control.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good. Yeah, that is pretty good, especially by

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01:03:20,973 --> 01:03:23,253
Speaker 3: American standards, because yeah, it can be an absolutely tarnish

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Speaker 3: arriving in the US sometimes. Now New Zealanders are getting

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Speaker 3: a new chat GPT feature.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, so we're talking about putting your passport on your

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01:03:30,933 --> 01:03:33,373
Speaker 18: phone in New Zealanders can't get that right now, but

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Speaker 18: you can, unlike Americans, start a group chat with chat GPT,

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Speaker 18: so you can invite up to twenty people to a

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Speaker 18: group chat. And apparently chat GPT kind of just lurks.

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Speaker 18: Maybe you'd say it's in the group chat. It doesn't

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01:03:51,533 --> 01:03:56,853
Speaker 18: necessarily respond to every message, but it'll just listen and

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01:03:57,053 --> 01:03:59,333
Speaker 18: look and when it thinks it has something to add,

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Speaker 18: it'll chime in just like it's one of your friends.

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Speaker 18: Or you can summon it and say hey, chet GPT

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Speaker 18: and you, you know, do this thing for us, so

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Speaker 18: that seeing if I guess people want to be collaborative.

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Speaker 18: It's only in like four countries. New Zealand is one

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Speaker 18: of those. It's available on every plan. So if you've

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Speaker 18: got even just chat GPT for free or you're paying

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Speaker 18: for it, it's there and you can invite your friends

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Speaker 18: and you can try it, okay to do what.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you use it for?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 3: I suppose, like I think about how I use my

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Speaker 3: Whattap group chats. Right, We've got a family chat and

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Speaker 3: then the kids in my family have a chat, and

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Speaker 3: then I've got various friend groups who have chats. I've

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Speaker 3: got work groups too, have chats. And if chat GPT

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Speaker 3: was in there and you didn't have to go out,

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Speaker 3: you know, you could just say like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you try to coordinate a holiday, when are the

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01:04:51,093 --> 01:04:54,213
Speaker 3: holiday dates for term three next year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:04:55,013 --> 01:04:57,573
Speaker 3: I suppose, I suppose something like that could be convenient.

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Speaker 18: But yeah, just so old fashioned that I'm just like,

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Speaker 18: I'd just go and ask CHATDVT myself and copy and paste.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So maybe.

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Speaker 3: Five minutes telling us how you've loaded your passport up

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01:05:07,933 --> 01:05:12,813
Speaker 3: to your phone and speaking of your iPhone, knowing how

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01:05:12,853 --> 01:05:15,013
Speaker 3: fashion forward you are, no doubt you will be shelling

1283
01:05:15,093 --> 01:05:16,893
Speaker 3: out what is it, one hundred and fifty US dollars

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01:05:16,933 --> 01:05:19,133
Speaker 3: for the brand new iPhone pocket.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: I don't know that this will be me.

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Speaker 18: This is I'm the same person Jack who thought that

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01:05:24,933 --> 01:05:28,133
Speaker 18: when everyone started talking about La boo boos that they

1289
01:05:28,173 --> 01:05:29,693
Speaker 18: were it was just like a cute way to refer

1290
01:05:29,733 --> 01:05:30,933
Speaker 18: to your Christian lubatons.

1291
01:05:31,333 --> 01:05:34,493
Speaker 3: Oh okay, no idea that people are. You're gonna know

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01:05:34,533 --> 01:05:37,093
Speaker 3: what Christian lubatons are, Paul, You and I of course

1293
01:05:37,133 --> 01:05:39,973
Speaker 3: know they're very expensive shoes, but some of the red.

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01:05:39,773 --> 01:05:42,453
Speaker 18: Bottoms fashion it's one of the few things I know

1295
01:05:42,853 --> 01:05:47,653
Speaker 18: assume everybody knows it. But so they became this la

1296
01:05:47,733 --> 01:05:50,013
Speaker 18: boo boos became this crazy thing where people are spending

1297
01:05:50,333 --> 01:05:52,413
Speaker 18: stupid amounts some money on these weird little toys and

1298
01:05:52,453 --> 01:05:54,653
Speaker 18: attention them bags and apparently it's a status symbol.

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01:05:54,693 --> 01:05:55,893
Speaker 19: I'll never understand it.

1300
01:05:56,213 --> 01:05:58,253
Speaker 18: And I think there's people who think that maybe this

1301
01:05:58,333 --> 01:06:02,773
Speaker 18: iPhone pocket is going to be the next labooboo. You know,

1302
01:06:03,533 --> 01:06:07,013
Speaker 18: it's only available in very select Apple stores. They are

1303
01:06:07,733 --> 01:06:11,933
Speaker 18: crazy bright colors, and Jack, I'm trying to work out

1304
01:06:11,933 --> 01:06:14,293
Speaker 18: how to describe it because it's sort of like just

1305
01:06:14,333 --> 01:06:17,293
Speaker 18: putting your phone into a sock, yes, and then the

1306
01:06:17,413 --> 01:06:20,613
Speaker 18: sock sort of comes up like supermarket bags, and then

1307
01:06:20,693 --> 01:06:22,813
Speaker 18: rejoins at the top. So there's like a loop kind

1308
01:06:22,813 --> 01:06:25,053
Speaker 18: of in the middle, a space in the middle. So

1309
01:06:25,093 --> 01:06:26,773
Speaker 18: then you can take your phone and do one of

1310
01:06:26,813 --> 01:06:30,773
Speaker 18: those fancy little flick it through kind of ties onto

1311
01:06:30,813 --> 01:06:34,053
Speaker 18: your bag. Yeah yeah, or you can you know, you

1312
01:06:34,053 --> 01:06:36,293
Speaker 18: can even spend two hundred and thirty years, Oh my god,

1313
01:06:36,373 --> 01:06:37,693
Speaker 18: and you can and you can get it as a

1314
01:06:37,693 --> 01:06:38,973
Speaker 18: crossbody how about that?

1315
01:06:39,773 --> 01:06:42,973
Speaker 3: How can they just like how can they.

1316
01:06:43,213 --> 01:06:48,573
Speaker 18: Off your handbag or across your body in neon yellow.

1317
01:06:50,173 --> 01:06:50,413
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:06:50,413 --> 01:06:53,133
Speaker 3: I just couldn't. I couldn't do it, especially at that price.

1319
01:06:53,373 --> 01:06:56,213
Speaker 3: My goodness, Hey, thank you for though.

1320
01:06:56,333 --> 01:06:56,533
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1321
01:06:57,093 --> 01:06:59,373
Speaker 3: See I mean that there's the there's the con doesn't

1322
01:06:59,413 --> 01:07:01,773
Speaker 3: it three D knitted? What does that even mean? It's

1323
01:07:01,773 --> 01:07:05,013
Speaker 3: for goodness sake, Thank you so much, Paul. Yeah, we'll

1324
01:07:05,053 --> 01:07:07,253
Speaker 3: make sure we put a photo of the new iPhone

1325
01:07:07,293 --> 01:07:09,293
Speaker 3: pocket up on the website as well so you can

1326
01:07:09,333 --> 01:07:11,413
Speaker 3: see what you One hundred and fifty US dollars will

1327
01:07:11,413 --> 01:07:14,053
Speaker 3: give you about three hundred New Zealand dollars. No thank

1328
01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:16,013
Speaker 3: you from me. I'll get to more of your feedback

1329
01:07:16,013 --> 01:07:17,933
Speaker 3: in a couple of minutes. Right now, it's eighteen to

1330
01:07:18,013 --> 01:07:20,493
Speaker 3: eleven Our Master Somalier with his pick for.

1331
01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:21,493
Speaker 20: The week next.

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Speaker 1: What no better way to kick off your weekend with

1333
01:07:25,853 --> 01:07:30,213
Speaker 1: Jack Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talk ZEB.

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01:07:32,533 --> 01:07:35,013
Speaker 3: It's called it to eleven Non News Talk ZB. Cameron

1335
01:07:35,093 --> 01:07:38,173
Speaker 3: Douglas is our Master Somalier and for his pick this week,

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01:07:38,213 --> 01:07:41,253
Speaker 3: he has chosen a Tahu Penot greed from twenty twenty

1337
01:07:41,253 --> 01:07:45,093
Speaker 3: five the Our Teddy Valley in Marlborough. It retails for

1338
01:07:45,093 --> 01:07:47,293
Speaker 3: about nineteen dollars and Cameraon's with us this morning.

1339
01:07:47,373 --> 01:07:49,253
Speaker 20: Good morning, good, good morning.

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01:07:49,253 --> 01:07:51,413
Speaker 3: How are you very well? Thank you? So tell us

1341
01:07:51,453 --> 01:07:53,573
Speaker 3: about the tahou Pena gree.

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01:07:54,133 --> 01:07:58,533
Speaker 20: Well to who wines a very special producer because not

1343
01:07:58,573 --> 01:08:01,973
Speaker 20: only founded in nineteen ninety eight, they're the world's first

1344
01:08:02,173 --> 01:08:05,493
Speaker 20: Maori owned wine company, and I think that's pretty special.

1345
01:08:06,493 --> 01:08:11,093
Speaker 20: The location for their vineyards for this particular wine is

1346
01:08:11,213 --> 01:08:14,293
Speaker 20: the Aruitry or Ouitry Valley, and I know lots of

1347
01:08:14,413 --> 01:08:17,973
Speaker 20: listeners will know Marlborough generally speaking, and you know the

1348
01:08:18,013 --> 01:08:20,693
Speaker 20: fame of Sauvignon blanc from there. This is more on

1349
01:08:20,733 --> 01:08:25,693
Speaker 20: the eastern side and a northern facing vineyards, so you

1350
01:08:25,733 --> 01:08:27,693
Speaker 20: get to see the South Island on a clear day.

1351
01:08:27,733 --> 01:08:34,133
Speaker 20: That's pretty cool. This wine is all about, well, penigree

1352
01:08:34,173 --> 01:08:39,373
Speaker 20: should always be about palette weight, freshness and flavor, and

1353
01:08:39,813 --> 01:08:42,333
Speaker 20: including sort of the sparking wine and pinaware and chardoney

1354
01:08:42,413 --> 01:08:45,413
Speaker 20: rieslings that they make. They all teck those boxes of

1355
01:08:45,493 --> 01:08:50,613
Speaker 20: paletweight freshness and flavor. This particular expression from twenty five

1356
01:08:50,733 --> 01:08:53,333
Speaker 20: has a little bit of delicacy about it. It still

1357
01:08:53,373 --> 01:08:59,413
Speaker 20: has that bright, taught, fresh, salivating mouthfeel which penotgree should have,

1358
01:09:00,453 --> 01:09:05,733
Speaker 20: and those flavors of red and green apple white peach,

1359
01:09:06,053 --> 01:09:10,293
Speaker 20: pear and even honeysuckle. Dump all of this flavor in

1360
01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:14,253
Speaker 20: the mid palate and that's all surrounded by this freshness

1361
01:09:14,293 --> 01:09:20,613
Speaker 20: of acidity that with vineyards from the Witree you get

1362
01:09:20,613 --> 01:09:25,973
Speaker 20: this nice saline effect, and that's in part from proximity

1363
01:09:26,013 --> 01:09:28,933
Speaker 20: to the ocean, but it's also part of the acid line.

1364
01:09:28,973 --> 01:09:33,013
Speaker 20: That natural flavor, that acid acidity can bring to wines

1365
01:09:33,013 --> 01:09:37,853
Speaker 20: from this particular place. Great mouth feel from a really

1366
01:09:37,893 --> 01:09:40,453
Speaker 20: really good vintage. So it's a it's a beautiful wine

1367
01:09:40,453 --> 01:09:41,613
Speaker 20: to try at a fabulous price.

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01:09:41,693 --> 01:09:43,773
Speaker 3: Yeah right, So tell us a bit more about the

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01:09:43,813 --> 01:09:46,133
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five vintage in Marlborough.

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01:09:47,533 --> 01:09:51,333
Speaker 20: Overall, if I had to say two words, rather excellent

1371
01:09:51,613 --> 01:09:56,853
Speaker 20: overall a warm spring, almost near perfect flowering conditions, not

1372
01:09:56,933 --> 01:09:58,413
Speaker 20: too windy at all, and that is a you know,

1373
01:09:58,413 --> 01:10:01,413
Speaker 20: it's a fairly windy place down there, but near perfect

1374
01:10:01,453 --> 01:10:06,293
Speaker 20: flowering conditions which gave good yields, so plenty of fruit harvested.

1375
01:10:07,173 --> 01:10:10,893
Speaker 20: There's this term and wine making or grape growing called

1376
01:10:11,013 --> 01:10:14,613
Speaker 20: the diurnal shift, and this particular part of New Zealand

1377
01:10:15,133 --> 01:10:19,493
Speaker 20: has it in spades. If you like very very warm days,

1378
01:10:19,613 --> 01:10:23,853
Speaker 20: very cool night, so it allows the wine the vineyard

1379
01:10:23,933 --> 01:10:26,973
Speaker 20: the grapes to or in the vines to breathe in

1380
01:10:27,013 --> 01:10:30,333
Speaker 20: and out with the flow of a day. If that

1381
01:10:30,373 --> 01:10:32,373
Speaker 20: makes sense. Sense the planet breeds in it out, so

1382
01:10:32,413 --> 01:10:34,693
Speaker 20: do these vines in it. And it works particularly well

1383
01:10:34,693 --> 01:10:35,653
Speaker 20: in this area.

1384
01:10:35,733 --> 01:10:38,533
Speaker 3: Oh nice. So what would you match the tahoo peanut

1385
01:10:38,533 --> 01:10:38,933
Speaker 3: agree with.

1386
01:10:40,853 --> 01:10:42,653
Speaker 20: I'm a big fan of sweet corn on the cob

1387
01:10:42,693 --> 01:10:45,053
Speaker 20: and I can't help but suggest sweetcorn on the cob

1388
01:10:45,533 --> 01:10:48,733
Speaker 20: with lots and lots of butter. I was brought up

1389
01:10:48,733 --> 01:10:50,613
Speaker 20: putting butter on sweetcorn on the cob, and I can't

1390
01:10:50,653 --> 01:10:54,453
Speaker 20: help but do that. Lots of butter, lots of salt,

1391
01:10:55,413 --> 01:10:58,573
Speaker 20: and toho penut green works really well. If you like

1392
01:10:58,693 --> 01:11:03,173
Speaker 20: sour cream, put lemon juice and sour cream in a

1393
01:11:03,173 --> 01:11:05,933
Speaker 20: little sprinkle of nutmeg so you can dip those salted

1394
01:11:05,973 --> 01:11:11,333
Speaker 20: buttered corn and that and penagree works particularly well. If

1395
01:11:11,333 --> 01:11:14,133
Speaker 20: you're not a fan of corn on the cob, but

1396
01:11:14,173 --> 01:11:17,173
Speaker 20: you're like sweet corn anyway, then make some forritters top

1397
01:11:17,173 --> 01:11:20,013
Speaker 20: of with sour cream and smoke salmon. It's just delightful

1398
01:11:20,093 --> 01:11:20,933
Speaker 20: and a perfect match.

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Speaker 3: Damn, Cameron, you got my stomach rumming this morning. They

1400
01:11:25,253 --> 01:11:29,413
Speaker 3: sound amazing. Yeah now, yeah, yeah, thank you So much,

1401
01:11:29,693 --> 01:11:31,573
Speaker 3: very good. So Cameron's picked for us this week as

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01:11:31,613 --> 01:11:35,413
Speaker 3: a Tohu penigree. The vintage is twenty twenty five from

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01:11:35,453 --> 01:11:38,493
Speaker 3: the Awa Tedi Valley in Marlborough. We'll have all the

1404
01:11:38,493 --> 01:11:42,093
Speaker 3: details on the news talks. He'd be website after eleven o'clock.

1405
01:11:42,213 --> 01:11:44,213
Speaker 3: On news Talks, he'd be a couple of ripping new

1406
01:11:44,253 --> 01:11:46,853
Speaker 3: books to talk about. We've got a brand you read

1407
01:11:47,213 --> 01:11:51,253
Speaker 3: from Lee and Andrew Child, the latest Jack Reacher, published

1408
01:11:51,453 --> 01:11:53,893
Speaker 3: just in time for Christmas. As well as that this

1409
01:11:54,133 --> 01:12:00,453
Speaker 3: really interesting book that's a combo effort from Reese Witherspoon

1410
01:12:00,493 --> 01:12:04,253
Speaker 3: and Harlan Corbett of all people. So yeah, I'm really

1411
01:12:04,293 --> 01:12:06,253
Speaker 3: intrigued to see what our book reviewer thinks of that.

1412
01:12:06,653 --> 01:12:08,933
Speaker 3: We've got new music as well from Grossalia. It's the

1413
01:12:08,973 --> 01:12:11,693
Speaker 3: Spanish superstar that will play you before midday. Right now,

1414
01:12:11,733 --> 01:12:13,813
Speaker 3: it's eleven to eleven. We're in the garden. Next on

1415
01:12:13,893 --> 01:12:14,693
Speaker 3: news talks, he'd be.

1416
01:12:16,133 --> 01:12:19,613
Speaker 7: Gardening, but still shops battery system kits. Get a second

1417
01:12:19,613 --> 01:12:20,573
Speaker 7: battery half price.

1418
01:12:20,893 --> 01:12:24,293
Speaker 3: Rude climb past is our man in the garden. Good morning, sir,

1419
01:12:25,453 --> 01:12:26,133
Speaker 3: Good morning.

1420
01:12:26,693 --> 01:12:30,613
Speaker 6: I loved all the stories about the moons and space,

1421
01:12:30,733 --> 01:12:32,373
Speaker 6: and yeah, since it is great.

1422
01:12:32,613 --> 01:12:33,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool.

1423
01:12:33,453 --> 01:12:36,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as you weren't listening, we were talking before

1424
01:12:36,933 --> 01:12:39,853
Speaker 3: ten o'clock about how what is it the thirteenth of

1425
01:12:39,853 --> 01:12:43,173
Speaker 3: November twenty twenty six, Voyager, the spacecraft will be one

1426
01:12:43,493 --> 01:12:47,133
Speaker 3: light day away from the Earth. So I think I

1427
01:12:47,493 --> 01:12:49,733
Speaker 3: looked up one light day in kilometers. There's something like

1428
01:12:49,773 --> 01:12:51,693
Speaker 3: twenty nine billion kilometers.

1429
01:12:52,413 --> 01:12:53,413
Speaker 6: It's a long way to walk.

1430
01:12:53,653 --> 01:12:55,853
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's a long way to fly, as it

1431
01:12:55,853 --> 01:12:58,493
Speaker 3: turns out. I mean, voyages been out there for almost

1432
01:12:58,533 --> 01:13:02,413
Speaker 3: fifty years now. But there's crazy a It's yeah, it is,

1433
01:13:02,613 --> 01:13:05,413
Speaker 3: it's kind of it. But yeah, I love all that

1434
01:13:05,413 --> 01:13:08,333
Speaker 3: cosmological stuff. You when you are able to try and

1435
01:13:08,453 --> 01:13:13,573
Speaker 3: put the vastness of the universe or the relative you know,

1436
01:13:13,773 --> 01:13:16,493
Speaker 3: nothingness of the Earth in the context of the vastness

1437
01:13:16,493 --> 01:13:19,573
Speaker 3: of the universe, it's yeah, it is extraordinary, isn't it? Anyway?

1438
01:13:19,613 --> 01:13:23,893
Speaker 3: Speaking of and big distances, our fifteen centimeters one hundred

1439
01:13:23,933 --> 01:13:27,173
Speaker 3: and fifty mills. That is the wingspan of the moth

1440
01:13:27,573 --> 01:13:29,533
Speaker 3: you're looking at for at the moment.

1441
01:13:30,893 --> 01:13:36,893
Speaker 6: Poor moth we call it the poor moth, which is

1442
01:13:36,933 --> 01:13:39,493
Speaker 6: the largest moth we've got in New Zealand. It is

1443
01:13:39,653 --> 01:13:43,693
Speaker 6: endemic to New Zealand. That means it only occurs in

1444
01:13:43,733 --> 01:13:46,253
Speaker 6: New Zealand. In fact, it only occurs in the North

1445
01:13:46,373 --> 01:13:50,693
Speaker 6: Island nowhere else, which is an interesting thing because because

1446
01:13:50,733 --> 01:13:53,373
Speaker 6: if you talk too, for instance in Tireo, and you're

1447
01:13:53,373 --> 01:13:57,413
Speaker 6: talking about the tree for instance, in which those mores

1448
01:13:57,413 --> 01:14:00,653
Speaker 6: really like toly, which is not so much the poor tree. Yes,

1449
01:14:00,773 --> 01:14:03,133
Speaker 6: I know, but there's one day like even better. It's

1450
01:14:03,133 --> 01:14:07,813
Speaker 6: called mar belief in my belief has got a wonderful

1451
01:14:07,893 --> 01:14:13,813
Speaker 6: Maori name called Putta Putta Wetter, and that is to

1452
01:14:13,893 --> 01:14:18,573
Speaker 6: do with the end story of this particular moth life cycle.

1453
01:14:18,773 --> 01:14:20,493
Speaker 6: And we've got to be the time to talk about it.

1454
01:14:20,533 --> 01:14:22,733
Speaker 6: So here's this month at the moment. This is the

1455
01:14:22,773 --> 01:14:24,733
Speaker 6: time of the year. It's actually you can see it

1456
01:14:24,773 --> 01:14:30,613
Speaker 6: almost every month of the year, but November December or September, October, November.

1457
01:14:30,693 --> 01:14:33,093
Speaker 6: So this springtime is the time when you've seen them,

1458
01:14:33,133 --> 01:14:35,853
Speaker 6: if you've got them near your place in the North Island.

1459
01:14:36,413 --> 01:14:39,053
Speaker 6: And I remember going to Pukaha, which is of course

1460
01:14:39,093 --> 01:14:42,093
Speaker 6: in the in the Way Rapper where I stayed the

1461
01:14:42,173 --> 01:14:44,973
Speaker 6: nights a couple of nights, and these things would fly

1462
01:14:45,693 --> 01:14:49,813
Speaker 6: dozens or bomb dozens of them all over the place.

1463
01:14:50,213 --> 01:14:52,413
Speaker 6: And it was just that spectacular.

1464
01:14:52,893 --> 01:14:55,533
Speaker 21: This is the time when the females lay their eggs,

1465
01:14:55,733 --> 01:14:59,093
Speaker 21: those big girls, they lay their eggs like a wounded

1466
01:14:59,413 --> 01:15:04,253
Speaker 21: b fifty two bomber, and honestly, in the forest they

1467
01:15:04,253 --> 01:15:07,493
Speaker 21: fly around the he can hear and that's eggs.

1468
01:15:07,693 --> 01:15:11,933
Speaker 6: Yeah, five hundred and six hundred eggs coming out like that.

1469
01:15:13,613 --> 01:15:17,493
Speaker 6: And basically that's what happens. These little babies that come

1470
01:15:17,533 --> 01:15:20,813
Speaker 6: out of the eggs. They spent almost a year eating

1471
01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:24,293
Speaker 6: organic material from the forest floor. That's the first thing

1472
01:15:24,373 --> 01:15:28,213
Speaker 6: that they do. And they do that so sixty twelve

1473
01:15:28,253 --> 01:15:31,933
Speaker 6: months whatever, and basically they become slightly bigger than a

1474
01:15:31,973 --> 01:15:35,613
Speaker 6: tiny caterpillar. They can be a medium sized caterpillar. And

1475
01:15:35,653 --> 01:15:38,453
Speaker 6: once they've done that for about six to twelve months,

1476
01:15:38,453 --> 01:15:42,053
Speaker 6: they climb up trees and they start chewing the back

1477
01:15:42,453 --> 01:15:45,853
Speaker 6: of their favorite trees. And their favor trees are things

1478
01:15:45,933 --> 01:15:48,573
Speaker 6: like what they put wetter or marble leaf if you like,

1479
01:15:48,613 --> 01:15:52,093
Speaker 6: but specifically all supportingly. And then what they do is

1480
01:15:52,213 --> 01:15:55,333
Speaker 6: they do something amazing. They drill a hole into the

1481
01:15:55,373 --> 01:15:59,253
Speaker 6: branch of the tree, into the trunk and then down

1482
01:15:59,613 --> 01:16:03,013
Speaker 6: and that makes the shape of a seven okay, up

1483
01:16:03,293 --> 01:16:06,853
Speaker 6: slightly slightly up and then down right, those two, by

1484
01:16:06,893 --> 01:16:10,613
Speaker 6: the way, will be at least six inches long and

1485
01:16:11,493 --> 01:16:15,213
Speaker 6: three quarters of an inch wide. And they are also

1486
01:16:15,533 --> 01:16:19,933
Speaker 6: making outside, on the outside a patch where they eat

1487
01:16:20,053 --> 01:16:23,213
Speaker 6: the back of that tree, and they put silk over

1488
01:16:23,253 --> 01:16:27,573
Speaker 6: the top. Right, got all that, So seven years later,

1489
01:16:29,533 --> 01:16:33,093
Speaker 6: the caterpillar comes out as a chrystalis. It flies out

1490
01:16:33,133 --> 01:16:35,613
Speaker 6: as a big, big to really mouth if you like,

1491
01:16:36,053 --> 01:16:39,493
Speaker 6: and the whole thing starts all over again. And this

1492
01:16:39,653 --> 01:16:42,053
Speaker 6: is the point. If you're talking about put a put

1493
01:16:42,053 --> 01:16:44,453
Speaker 6: the weather as a marble leaf, as a really good

1494
01:16:44,533 --> 01:16:50,813
Speaker 6: tree for this particular creature, then you'll take that name,

1495
01:16:51,133 --> 01:16:55,333
Speaker 6: put the weather, which belongs the men from which many

1496
01:16:55,493 --> 01:16:59,653
Speaker 6: weather arise. And what you find is that once these

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Speaker 6: caterpillars have bugged off out of their seven shaped home,

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01:17:05,213 --> 01:17:09,653
Speaker 6: if you like, tree weather will go into those trees

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Speaker 6: and use those as secondhand dwellings.

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Speaker 17: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's amazing how the whole ecosystem builds on each other,

1502
01:17:18,293 --> 01:17:22,373
Speaker 3: you know, and they all work together. Yeah yeah, yeah.

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01:17:22,933 --> 01:17:24,853
Speaker 3: So when you go chance.

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01:17:26,373 --> 01:17:29,133
Speaker 6: Tree, yeah yes, it does d amateur tree, but it

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01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:32,373
Speaker 6: usually restores the tree restores itself. If you've got a

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01:17:32,453 --> 01:17:37,213
Speaker 6: very thin, a thin tree, sometimes you can get ring barking,

1507
01:17:37,293 --> 01:17:39,573
Speaker 6: and that could cause all sorts of troubles to the tree.

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01:17:39,853 --> 01:17:40,813
Speaker 4: But here comes a thing.

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Speaker 6: So when I came to the South Island and I

1510
01:17:43,533 --> 01:17:45,973
Speaker 6: talked to the guys that here at the night who

1511
01:17:46,013 --> 01:17:48,813
Speaker 6: was saying, what about to put the weather? And they said,

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01:17:49,453 --> 01:17:52,973
Speaker 6: oh what, they have no idea what that means, because

1513
01:17:52,973 --> 01:17:55,453
Speaker 6: the thing doesn't occur in the South Isnd and the

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01:17:55,493 --> 01:17:58,013
Speaker 6: whole story does not make sense.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, Thank you so much. Ry have a wonderful weekend, sir.

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01:18:02,973 --> 01:18:05,693
Speaker 3: We will catch you again very soon after leaving the

1517
01:18:05,693 --> 01:18:08,213
Speaker 3: clock on news to he'd be our travel correspondent is

1518
01:18:08,213 --> 01:18:11,453
Speaker 3: telling us about a bit of a stopover, some highlights

1519
01:18:11,493 --> 01:18:15,773
Speaker 3: in Doha, and if you're looking for a more sustainable Christmas,

1520
01:18:15,893 --> 01:18:18,973
Speaker 3: some tips from our sustainability expert on getting the family

1521
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Speaker 3: on board as well. It's almost eleven. News is Next.

1522
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Speaker 3: I'm Jack Tayman. This is News Talks.

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01:18:23,573 --> 01:18:28,053
Speaker 1: EDBS Saturday morning with Jack Tain keeping the.

1524
01:18:28,053 --> 01:18:31,173
Speaker 4: Conversation going through the weekend News Talks EDB.

1525
01:18:55,653 --> 01:18:58,573
Speaker 3: Mo in a good morning here with Jack Tame on

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Speaker 3: News Talks. He'd be if you are just turning us

1527
01:19:00,733 --> 01:19:03,373
Speaker 3: on this morning, we have desperately missed you. But it

1528
01:19:03,493 --> 01:19:06,773
Speaker 3: is great to have you with us. Nevertheless, we've had

1529
01:19:06,773 --> 01:19:11,173
Speaker 3: so much feedback this morning regarding going digital. So the

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01:19:11,213 --> 01:19:15,533
Speaker 3: government has been planning to introduce digital driver's licenses as

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01:19:15,573 --> 01:19:18,853
Speaker 3: an option. It's not going to be compulsory, at least

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01:19:18,853 --> 01:19:20,693
Speaker 3: not anytime soon, but it's going to be an option.

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01:19:20,773 --> 01:19:22,613
Speaker 3: And it's one of these things that I think I

1534
01:19:22,773 --> 01:19:25,973
Speaker 3: am going to seize as soon as they've introduced them,

1535
01:19:26,013 --> 01:19:28,533
Speaker 3: because once I've got a digital driver's license, given I've

1536
01:19:28,573 --> 01:19:31,493
Speaker 3: already got Apple Pay on my phone for my credit

1537
01:19:31,533 --> 01:19:34,573
Speaker 3: card and for my bank card, I reckon I will

1538
01:19:34,693 --> 01:19:38,533
Speaker 3: pretty much be able to get through life without needing

1539
01:19:38,573 --> 01:19:41,053
Speaker 3: to carry my wallet. That is, of course, until there

1540
01:19:41,093 --> 01:19:44,853
Speaker 3: is a technological meltdown. And all of you, almost all

1541
01:19:44,853 --> 01:19:46,533
Speaker 3: of you, have been warning me about that this morning,

1542
01:19:46,573 --> 01:19:49,773
Speaker 3: and listen, I take your warnings on board. But still

1543
01:19:50,493 --> 01:19:52,413
Speaker 3: I think the convenience is going to trumpet for me.

1544
01:19:52,613 --> 01:19:54,373
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be taking I'm not going to

1545
01:19:54,413 --> 01:19:56,733
Speaker 3: be carrying cash, I'm not going to be carrying bank cards.

1546
01:19:56,773 --> 01:19:58,853
Speaker 3: Just as soon as I've got a digital driver's license,

1547
01:19:58,853 --> 01:20:01,693
Speaker 3: there will be no need to carry a wallet. Kevin

1548
01:20:01,693 --> 01:20:03,413
Speaker 3: has took me an email this morning to say Jack,

1549
01:20:03,533 --> 01:20:07,053
Speaker 3: Jack Jack. For goodness sake, I remember you reporting in

1550
01:20:07,093 --> 01:20:09,213
Speaker 3: the wake of the christ Church earthquakes. You're a christ

1551
01:20:09,293 --> 01:20:11,693
Speaker 3: Church boy at heart. How could you not take those

1552
01:20:11,773 --> 01:20:15,773
Speaker 3: lessons forward and know that actually relying solely on anything

1553
01:20:15,853 --> 01:20:19,013
Speaker 3: that needs an electrical charge or anything that needs the

1554
01:20:19,053 --> 01:20:23,333
Speaker 3: Internet is going to be a bad call. Yeah, I mean, look,

1555
01:20:24,013 --> 01:20:27,133
Speaker 3: maybe I'll eat my words. But I wonder if like

1556
01:20:27,253 --> 01:20:34,013
Speaker 3: going say three years digital only, if I then am

1557
01:20:34,053 --> 01:20:39,533
Speaker 3: facing a day or two perhaps where the digital systems

1558
01:20:39,533 --> 01:20:43,053
Speaker 3: are down, if one day of inconvenience is worth three

1559
01:20:43,173 --> 01:20:45,493
Speaker 3: years of ultra convenience, you know, I wonder if we

1560
01:20:45,533 --> 01:20:47,573
Speaker 3: can have a kind of a kind of trade off

1561
01:20:47,613 --> 01:20:49,853
Speaker 3: like that, Kevin, I will get to more your messages.

1562
01:20:49,853 --> 01:20:51,813
Speaker 3: This our ninety two ninety two if you want to

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Speaker 3: flick their text Jacketewstaloks headb dot co dot nz is

1564
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Speaker 3: the email address as well. Before midday on newstalk's HEADBT,

1565
01:20:59,533 --> 01:21:02,373
Speaker 3: We're going to listen to Ross Alea. She's a bit

1566
01:21:02,373 --> 01:21:05,013
Speaker 3: of a superstar in Spain. I went to a period

1567
01:21:05,053 --> 01:21:06,213
Speaker 3: actually a couple of years ago where I was this

1568
01:21:06,533 --> 01:21:09,733
Speaker 3: heaps of Spanish music, and honestly, Rossalalia is like the

1569
01:21:10,613 --> 01:21:13,813
Speaker 3: girl of the Spanish music. Scene. And the thing that

1570
01:21:13,893 --> 01:21:17,813
Speaker 3: is so cool about a music is, like much of

1571
01:21:17,853 --> 01:21:20,373
Speaker 3: Spanish culture, she kind of brings in all of these

1572
01:21:20,373 --> 01:21:24,853
Speaker 3: different influences and genres and blends it all together into

1573
01:21:25,093 --> 01:21:27,813
Speaker 3: what is quite a unique sound. And not only is

1574
01:21:27,813 --> 01:21:31,013
Speaker 3: she blending together different genres and cultures in her new album,

1575
01:21:31,133 --> 01:21:34,733
Speaker 3: she is also blending together different languages. There are thirteen

1576
01:21:34,893 --> 01:21:38,093
Speaker 3: different languages in which she sings on her new album.

1577
01:21:38,173 --> 01:21:40,253
Speaker 3: So we will play you some of Rossilia very shortly.

1578
01:21:40,293 --> 01:21:42,373
Speaker 3: Don't worry, you don't need to speak Spanish or Arabic

1579
01:21:42,453 --> 01:21:45,333
Speaker 3: or French or Catalana or whatever else she is singing

1580
01:21:45,373 --> 01:21:48,053
Speaker 3: in to enjoy her music. At the very least, we'll

1581
01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:50,373
Speaker 3: play you some of that album very shortly. As well

1582
01:21:50,413 --> 01:21:52,493
Speaker 3: as that, we're going to be catching up with our

1583
01:21:52,533 --> 01:21:55,853
Speaker 3: travel correspondent who's taking us to Doha and a brand

1584
01:21:55,973 --> 01:21:59,533
Speaker 3: new Jack Reacher book from the and Andrew Child to

1585
01:21:59,613 --> 01:22:01,453
Speaker 3: tell you about before mid day as well. Right now,

1586
01:22:01,453 --> 01:22:04,853
Speaker 3: it's ten past eleven, Jack Team, and it is time

1587
01:22:04,893 --> 01:22:07,893
Speaker 3: to catch up with our sustainable commentator, who reckons now

1588
01:22:08,013 --> 01:22:10,133
Speaker 3: is the time to start having the conversations with the

1589
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:13,133
Speaker 3: Farno about a more sustainable Christmas. Kate Hall is with

1590
01:22:13,293 --> 01:22:14,933
Speaker 3: us this morning, held a good morning.

1591
01:22:15,413 --> 01:22:16,093
Speaker 15: What in a jack?

1592
01:22:16,213 --> 01:22:16,533
Speaker 11: Oh what?

1593
01:22:16,653 --> 01:22:20,493
Speaker 3: We're six weeks away, which means six weeks away from

1594
01:22:20,493 --> 01:22:24,453
Speaker 3: the big day, which means that now is the time

1595
01:22:24,893 --> 01:22:28,933
Speaker 3: to get your a entergy and get your Christmas gifts sorted,

1596
01:22:29,013 --> 01:22:31,533
Speaker 3: especially if you're looking for something sustainable, because if you're

1597
01:22:31,533 --> 01:22:34,293
Speaker 3: looking for a sustainable option, December twenty fourth, at four

1598
01:22:34,293 --> 01:22:36,413
Speaker 3: point thirty in the afternoon is probably not the time

1599
01:22:36,453 --> 01:22:40,053
Speaker 3: you want to be doing it. Now, it's the perfect time, right, yes, sEH.

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01:22:40,053 --> 01:22:43,173
Speaker 15: I think that's the perfect time to start the conversations

1601
01:22:43,333 --> 01:22:46,373
Speaker 15: with your families. In particular, I think that's a really

1602
01:22:46,413 --> 01:22:48,053
Speaker 15: big one that we can talk about, you know, all

1603
01:22:48,093 --> 01:22:52,693
Speaker 15: sorts of sustainable Christmas, like meals and buying local produce

1604
01:22:52,853 --> 01:22:57,013
Speaker 15: for your food and sustainable gifts. But it's like, if

1605
01:22:57,093 --> 01:23:00,213
Speaker 15: you're keen on doing it, maybe not everyone in your

1606
01:23:00,253 --> 01:23:02,853
Speaker 15: family is. Yeah, and so you need to plant those

1607
01:23:02,893 --> 01:23:06,573
Speaker 15: seeds of discussion early. And so that's why you know

1608
01:23:06,653 --> 01:23:08,013
Speaker 15: we're chelling out this in November.

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01:23:08,173 --> 01:23:10,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you say, it isn't just gifts, it's kind

1610
01:23:10,493 --> 01:23:15,293
Speaker 3: of everything at Christmas, And given the nature of the celebrations,

1611
01:23:15,773 --> 01:23:17,813
Speaker 3: there are lots of different areas in which we can

1612
01:23:18,013 --> 01:23:21,253
Speaker 3: potentially be a bit more sustainable. But you've learned this

1613
01:23:21,613 --> 01:23:25,053
Speaker 3: presumably the hard way, that there's no point kind of

1614
01:23:25,093 --> 01:23:27,293
Speaker 3: preaching at everyone, right, Like you have to try and

1615
01:23:27,413 --> 01:23:30,733
Speaker 3: bring people with you if you know you're trying to

1616
01:23:30,813 --> 01:23:32,533
Speaker 3: encourage a more sustainable world.

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01:23:33,013 --> 01:23:37,493
Speaker 15: Yep, yep. And I think doing different things like you know,

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01:23:37,573 --> 01:23:40,813
Speaker 15: frame it, not as hey, guys, like let's all have

1619
01:23:40,813 --> 01:23:44,373
Speaker 15: a sustainable Christmas. Like you know, your uncle John is

1620
01:23:44,373 --> 01:23:47,853
Speaker 15: probably going to go, yeah, not be too keen, so

1621
01:23:48,173 --> 01:23:51,413
Speaker 15: FRAMI it is like let's train this together, you know,

1622
01:23:51,493 --> 01:23:53,773
Speaker 15: like what ask the question, you know, what do you

1623
01:23:53,813 --> 01:23:57,133
Speaker 15: remember from past Christmases? Like what what does everyone want

1624
01:23:57,173 --> 01:23:59,933
Speaker 15: to do this year? How? How would you feel like

1625
01:23:59,973 --> 01:24:03,373
Speaker 15: would be the best Christmas ever? What are your Christmas ideas?

1626
01:24:03,373 --> 01:24:07,013
Speaker 15: What do people need? And often I think that comes

1627
01:24:07,013 --> 01:24:10,613
Speaker 15: down to people go they want it easier, cheaper Christmas,

1628
01:24:11,133 --> 01:24:13,933
Speaker 15: and generally that is a less based on Christmas. So

1629
01:24:14,613 --> 01:24:17,533
Speaker 15: frame it and like leading with that curiosity piece of

1630
01:24:18,893 --> 01:24:20,973
Speaker 15: you know, what do you want and not just coming

1631
01:24:20,973 --> 01:24:23,333
Speaker 15: in saying this is what we're going to do for Christmas. Yeah,

1632
01:24:23,413 --> 01:24:25,893
Speaker 15: I think is really important to start. You know, maybe

1633
01:24:26,013 --> 01:24:28,333
Speaker 15: that can be something you do right now today and

1634
01:24:28,413 --> 01:24:32,133
Speaker 15: your group chat, family chat, and there are ideas that

1635
01:24:32,173 --> 01:24:35,333
Speaker 15: are sustainable. And I'm sure you know you can't control

1636
01:24:35,373 --> 01:24:38,613
Speaker 15: everyone's reactions as to what they will do when you

1637
01:24:38,693 --> 01:24:41,773
Speaker 15: suggest some things that are overtly sustainable. But I think

1638
01:24:41,773 --> 01:24:43,893
Speaker 15: it's about trying, and maybe this is a good year

1639
01:24:43,973 --> 01:24:44,333
Speaker 15: to try.

1640
01:24:44,493 --> 01:24:48,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see in the past it's not that Christmas

1641
01:24:48,653 --> 01:24:51,093
Speaker 3: can seem obscene. But you know, we live in an

1642
01:24:51,133 --> 01:24:54,973
Speaker 3: age of consumption, right, and so years ago in our family,

1643
01:24:55,013 --> 01:24:57,213
Speaker 3: we decided to go to a Secret Sander model for

1644
01:24:57,293 --> 01:24:59,653
Speaker 3: gifts instead of giving everyone a guest and then and

1645
01:24:59,693 --> 01:25:02,093
Speaker 3: you end up buying stuff that they don't necessarily want,

1646
01:25:02,133 --> 01:25:04,093
Speaker 3: and everyone's going to waste money, and you know, you

1647
01:25:04,133 --> 01:25:05,813
Speaker 3: know what I mean that there are lots of downsides

1648
01:25:05,853 --> 01:25:08,413
Speaker 3: to it. So we move to a Secret Center model,

1649
01:25:08,733 --> 01:25:12,333
Speaker 3: fifty dollars limit, you get one person, and I just

1650
01:25:12,333 --> 01:25:12,893
Speaker 3: think it works.

1651
01:25:12,893 --> 01:25:16,053
Speaker 15: So well, yeah, that's great, that's a really great meason

1652
01:25:16,093 --> 01:25:18,333
Speaker 15: to it. I do that with my housbands side of

1653
01:25:18,333 --> 01:25:21,773
Speaker 15: the family every year too, and yeah, you get something

1654
01:25:21,853 --> 01:25:25,133
Speaker 15: you actually need and so you're probably smiling a lot

1655
01:25:25,173 --> 01:25:27,933
Speaker 15: more than just oh yeah, and like an air of socks.

1656
01:25:29,293 --> 01:25:33,333
Speaker 15: Another way we do is like that the Secret Center game,

1657
01:25:33,653 --> 01:25:36,653
Speaker 15: but you only bring consumables, so it has to be

1658
01:25:37,213 --> 01:25:38,293
Speaker 15: something that you can eat.

1659
01:25:38,853 --> 01:25:40,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, okay, and then.

1660
01:25:40,733 --> 01:25:43,053
Speaker 15: That way there's not like any stuff left, like you

1661
01:25:43,213 --> 01:25:45,533
Speaker 15: know that the food will be circulated and you can

1662
01:25:45,653 --> 01:25:48,973
Speaker 15: play actually a fun like Secret Center game together and

1663
01:25:48,973 --> 01:25:50,293
Speaker 15: that can actually be part of the day.

1664
01:25:50,373 --> 01:25:52,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good idea. Another thing we do now

1665
01:25:52,613 --> 01:25:56,933
Speaker 3: is because there are increasing numbers of well, for me,

1666
01:25:57,173 --> 01:26:00,733
Speaker 3: nieces and nephews from our and dad grandkids. But what

1667
01:26:00,773 --> 01:26:03,293
Speaker 3: we do is all the aunties and uncles we kind

1668
01:26:03,333 --> 01:26:06,653
Speaker 3: of agree that instead of us all individually buying kids

1669
01:26:06,733 --> 01:26:10,053
Speaker 3: gifts because they get showered and so much on Christmas anyway,

1670
01:26:10,373 --> 01:26:15,093
Speaker 3: we basically have like a like a team gift from

1671
01:26:15,093 --> 01:26:17,053
Speaker 3: the aunties and uncles, and we'll often try and we'll

1672
01:26:17,093 --> 01:26:18,773
Speaker 3: make it like a board game or something like that.

1673
01:26:18,813 --> 01:26:20,733
Speaker 3: So it's a bit of an experience as well as

1674
01:26:20,733 --> 01:26:24,133
Speaker 3: opposed to just you know, like just the heaps of

1675
01:26:24,333 --> 01:26:27,093
Speaker 3: you know, just junkie plastic stuff that the kids will

1676
01:26:27,093 --> 01:26:28,693
Speaker 3: play with for thirty seconds and then move on.

1677
01:26:29,373 --> 01:26:30,373
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's brilliant.

1678
01:26:30,493 --> 01:26:31,253
Speaker 10: I love the day there.

1679
01:26:31,373 --> 01:26:31,613
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1680
01:26:31,653 --> 01:26:33,093
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just think stuff like that makes

1681
01:26:33,173 --> 01:26:35,973
Speaker 3: kind of sense, right, But The key is to frame

1682
01:26:36,053 --> 01:26:37,053
Speaker 3: the discussion now.

1683
01:26:37,853 --> 01:26:40,973
Speaker 15: Yes, yep, do it now, and be brave. I know

1684
01:26:41,013 --> 01:26:43,733
Speaker 15: it can feel like, you know, you expose yourself a bit.

1685
01:26:43,773 --> 01:26:46,293
Speaker 15: But if you leave with that curiosity piece and lead

1686
01:26:46,333 --> 01:26:49,373
Speaker 15: with what does everyone need and want? You know, you're

1687
01:26:49,373 --> 01:26:52,333
Speaker 15: not coming and preaching, You're being really clear and you

1688
01:26:52,373 --> 01:26:53,853
Speaker 15: can sug just some good things.

1689
01:26:53,973 --> 01:26:57,053
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the truth is that people don't remember the

1690
01:26:57,133 --> 01:27:00,653
Speaker 3: stuff as much as they remember how they feel, right, Like,

1691
01:27:00,733 --> 01:27:03,893
Speaker 3: they remember just the kind of you know, warm feeling

1692
01:27:03,893 --> 01:27:07,333
Speaker 3: of sitting around and yarning and you playing charades or

1693
01:27:07,373 --> 01:27:09,733
Speaker 3: whatever it is. You know, it's that stuff I remember

1694
01:27:09,773 --> 01:27:10,773
Speaker 3: as opposed to stuff.

1695
01:27:11,253 --> 01:27:13,893
Speaker 15: Yeah. Well there's one Christmas I remember most vividly. It

1696
01:27:13,933 --> 01:27:16,813
Speaker 15: was a Christmas that we didn't do any stuff. That

1697
01:27:16,933 --> 01:27:20,133
Speaker 15: everyone had to bring something to Christmas Day in terms

1698
01:27:20,133 --> 01:27:24,973
Speaker 15: of like my brother and his girlfriends brought a yoga

1699
01:27:25,093 --> 01:27:27,413
Speaker 15: at creyoga class that we ended up doing on the

1700
01:27:27,413 --> 01:27:29,733
Speaker 15: back lawn, you know, like they took us through it,

1701
01:27:29,733 --> 01:27:32,613
Speaker 15: and I brought I did all the Christmas snacks. Yeah,

1702
01:27:33,013 --> 01:27:35,453
Speaker 15: I made all these Zeri Way snacks, you know, and

1703
01:27:35,653 --> 01:27:39,373
Speaker 15: you remember those experiences cooling about on the lawn and

1704
01:27:39,853 --> 01:27:42,613
Speaker 15: that was just so much fun like those memories are

1705
01:27:42,733 --> 01:27:45,053
Speaker 15: just so altered, just so much more. I can't remember

1706
01:27:45,093 --> 01:27:47,053
Speaker 15: what you know I got for Christmas?

1707
01:27:48,413 --> 01:27:51,013
Speaker 3: Oh so good? All right, thanks Kate, Yeah good. Good

1708
01:27:51,013 --> 01:27:53,813
Speaker 3: to give us a nice early warning this year. To Kate,

1709
01:27:53,933 --> 01:27:56,133
Speaker 3: all of course, is on social media. You can find

1710
01:27:56,133 --> 01:27:59,533
Speaker 3: her by searching ethically Kate. Next up on news talks,

1711
01:27:59,533 --> 01:28:02,293
Speaker 3: he'd be we are dipping into Doha in this week's

1712
01:28:02,333 --> 01:28:05,053
Speaker 3: travel segment right now at sixteen past eleven.

1713
01:28:05,813 --> 01:28:08,813
Speaker 4: Travel with Windy Woo Tours. Where the world is.

1714
01:28:08,733 --> 01:28:12,413
Speaker 3: Yours for now nineteen past eleven, Non news Talks, he'd

1715
01:28:12,413 --> 01:28:15,893
Speaker 3: be Mike Yardley Travel corresponds with a snack. Go to Mike.

1716
01:28:17,293 --> 01:28:20,093
Speaker 2: Good morning, Jack, Greetings from cap'n Show week in christ

1717
01:28:20,293 --> 01:28:23,533
Speaker 2: It's been very yeah, very much fizzing in the city.

1718
01:28:23,693 --> 01:28:25,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hasn't been because I mean you you've here.

1719
01:28:25,933 --> 01:28:27,373
Speaker 3: I say, you've probably done a few of these over

1720
01:28:27,413 --> 01:28:28,693
Speaker 3: the years. I would have thought, makee.

1721
01:28:30,133 --> 01:28:32,173
Speaker 2: I have. Indeed, I did go to the Royal A

1722
01:28:32,333 --> 01:28:34,293
Speaker 2: m P show on Thursday was really good, even though

1723
01:28:34,293 --> 01:28:38,213
Speaker 2: the weather was shite on Thursday. The show it's yeah,

1724
01:28:38,253 --> 01:28:39,933
Speaker 2: but it's been good for the last couple of days.

1725
01:28:40,213 --> 01:28:45,653
Speaker 2: But yeah, the show's fantastic racing. Oh, racing, Jack. I

1726
01:28:45,693 --> 01:28:47,853
Speaker 2: think that's you'd be into that, wouldn't you.

1727
01:28:47,733 --> 01:28:49,733
Speaker 3: Am My racing? You know what I actually love most

1728
01:28:49,773 --> 01:28:52,253
Speaker 3: about going to the AMP show. I love a bit

1729
01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:55,333
Speaker 3: of wood chopping, and yes, you do, well, you just

1730
01:28:55,453 --> 01:28:57,613
Speaker 3: I don't really engage with wood shopping when I'm I

1731
01:28:57,653 --> 01:28:59,813
Speaker 3: don't you know, they have wood chopping on TV. Sometimes

1732
01:28:59,853 --> 01:29:01,693
Speaker 3: I don't ever watch the wood chopping on TV. But

1733
01:29:02,293 --> 01:29:04,733
Speaker 3: just going to the show, it's just I don't know

1734
01:29:04,773 --> 01:29:07,413
Speaker 3: what it is. There's something about for those of us

1735
01:29:07,413 --> 01:29:09,453
Speaker 3: with pretty soft hands you have you know, been s

1736
01:29:09,453 --> 01:29:12,293
Speaker 3: been a bit too long, plunked on office chears. You know,

1737
01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:16,213
Speaker 3: it does broaden your horizons a little bit. You realize

1738
01:29:16,253 --> 01:29:18,013
Speaker 3: what this country was built on, you know what I mean?

1739
01:29:19,213 --> 01:29:22,653
Speaker 2: That's true. I was watching two burly women do the

1740
01:29:23,133 --> 01:29:25,853
Speaker 2: wood chopping. They were doing it like as pears. Yeah,

1741
01:29:25,933 --> 01:29:28,493
Speaker 2: and oh my god, I just felt exhausted for that.

1742
01:29:28,573 --> 01:29:31,413
Speaker 3: Oh it's crazy, my favorite one. And when they do

1743
01:29:31,453 --> 01:29:33,293
Speaker 3: it and then they put the plank in the side

1744
01:29:33,333 --> 01:29:38,933
Speaker 3: and then they climb up a little bit, you know. Yeah, Okay,

1745
01:29:39,013 --> 01:29:41,253
Speaker 3: you know I can barely change the light bulb when

1746
01:29:41,253 --> 01:29:45,933
Speaker 3: here you are. Anyway, Hey, this morning. We're focusing on Doha,

1747
01:29:46,053 --> 01:29:48,373
Speaker 3: which is a bit of a sort of a spot

1748
01:29:48,413 --> 01:29:51,133
Speaker 3: of increasing popularity when it comes to a stopover for

1749
01:29:51,133 --> 01:29:53,933
Speaker 3: forty eight hours or so, and what in your view

1750
01:29:53,933 --> 01:29:57,733
Speaker 3: would be the quintessential Dohart experience.

1751
01:29:58,693 --> 01:30:00,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things to do, but I

1752
01:30:00,573 --> 01:30:03,893
Speaker 2: reckon blending old world Doha with the new and shiny

1753
01:30:03,933 --> 01:30:05,693
Speaker 2: as we are to start, and the best way to

1754
01:30:05,773 --> 01:30:08,813
Speaker 2: do that is to jump on board a traditional boat,

1755
01:30:08,853 --> 01:30:12,613
Speaker 2: a dow on Doha Bay, take a sunset float. You

1756
01:30:12,693 --> 01:30:16,253
Speaker 2: look at those futuristic skyscrapers of West Bay lighting up,

1757
01:30:16,653 --> 01:30:18,733
Speaker 2: and then you think about the boat you're on and

1758
01:30:18,813 --> 01:30:23,013
Speaker 2: how over the decades it was the pearl divers who

1759
01:30:23,093 --> 01:30:28,213
Speaker 2: used those dows, powering the Qatari economy until Japan pioneered

1760
01:30:28,253 --> 01:30:32,213
Speaker 2: cultured pearls and bug it up the whole natural pearl industry.

1761
01:30:33,493 --> 01:30:36,333
Speaker 2: But yeah, those dour boats, they are just gorgeous. They're

1762
01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:40,053
Speaker 2: little wooden cuties. And as you take away leisurely float

1763
01:30:40,053 --> 01:30:43,293
Speaker 2: aboard one of those, it just provides a really tangible

1764
01:30:43,413 --> 01:30:47,733
Speaker 2: link with Kutzars past. And then just watching that sun

1765
01:30:47,813 --> 01:30:51,693
Speaker 2: setting over the desert and all those high rises spangled

1766
01:30:51,733 --> 01:30:55,173
Speaker 2: in the nighttime lights that really is quite something in Doha.

1767
01:30:55,413 --> 01:30:59,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an area stack with history and it's a

1768
01:30:59,133 --> 01:31:02,133
Speaker 3: city stack with museums. So where would you go first?

1769
01:31:03,373 --> 01:31:05,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have time only for one, I would

1770
01:31:05,733 --> 01:31:09,133
Speaker 2: say the mus of Islamic Art. It's a cracker. I

1771
01:31:09,133 --> 01:31:14,653
Speaker 2: mean architecturally, it's like this chiseled jewel floating on Doha

1772
01:31:14,693 --> 01:31:18,813
Speaker 2: Bay and it was designed by Impa of Louve Pyramid fame.

1773
01:31:19,533 --> 01:31:22,453
Speaker 2: But inside the museum it just gives you such a

1774
01:31:22,493 --> 01:31:29,013
Speaker 2: great walk through the artistic brilliance of the Islamic world.

1775
01:31:29,133 --> 01:31:34,693
Speaker 2: You know, calligraphy, Islamic geometric patterns, jewelry, textiles, it's all

1776
01:31:34,733 --> 01:31:38,933
Speaker 2: on show. One of the big star features is the

1777
01:31:39,053 --> 01:31:44,053
Speaker 2: necklace that once belonged to Shah Jahn of taj Mahal fame,

1778
01:31:44,613 --> 01:31:48,453
Speaker 2: studded with these huge diamonds and emeralds. Thankfully, Jack, the

1779
01:31:48,493 --> 01:31:50,853
Speaker 2: British did not get their hands on that one.

1780
01:31:51,053 --> 01:31:58,333
Speaker 3: Yes, if you know just north of the city, Sale

1781
01:31:58,453 --> 01:32:00,133
Speaker 3: is drawing travelers to Lusail.

1782
01:32:01,173 --> 01:32:03,413
Speaker 2: Well, of course it would be a name very familiar

1783
01:32:03,493 --> 01:32:06,893
Speaker 2: to you, as in Leonel Messi because it's where he

1784
01:32:07,013 --> 01:32:11,053
Speaker 2: raised the trophy at the FIFA World Cup. The Lusale Stadium,

1785
01:32:11,173 --> 01:32:15,093
Speaker 2: nicknamed the lantern. But it's fascinating. I went to Lusail

1786
01:32:15,133 --> 01:32:17,173
Speaker 2: about three years ago. I went back there a couple

1787
01:32:17,213 --> 01:32:21,933
Speaker 2: of weeks ago. The place is exploding. It's Cuta's newest

1788
01:32:22,013 --> 01:32:25,613
Speaker 2: and second largest city after Doha, and it's only a

1789
01:32:25,733 --> 01:32:31,893
Speaker 2: thirty minute lightning fast metro train ride away from downtown Doha.

1790
01:32:31,933 --> 01:32:34,693
Speaker 2: But the other thing about Lusale which is worth checking out,

1791
01:32:34,933 --> 01:32:39,293
Speaker 2: what like Doha, it's got this very edgy starchitecture. One

1792
01:32:39,293 --> 01:32:44,533
Speaker 2: of their latest skyscrapers is Gatara Towers. It's the most magnificent,

1793
01:32:45,253 --> 01:32:50,413
Speaker 2: far fetched crescent shaped scraper. It just looks implausible, you know,

1794
01:32:50,453 --> 01:32:53,533
Speaker 2: the way that it's been designed. And also it's home

1795
01:32:53,613 --> 01:32:57,413
Speaker 2: to the Lusale International Circuit, which will stage the Cutter

1796
01:32:57,653 --> 01:33:00,293
Speaker 2: F one Grand Prix in a fortnight, and when the

1797
01:33:00,573 --> 01:33:03,773
Speaker 2: F one isn't in town, you can get some track

1798
01:33:03,813 --> 01:33:07,373
Speaker 2: time yourself. They've got these souped up kats and they

1799
01:33:07,413 --> 01:33:10,773
Speaker 2: are really soup dub so you can channel your in

1800
01:33:10,893 --> 01:33:15,373
Speaker 2: Orlando or Liam and rip around the F one track.

1801
01:33:15,373 --> 01:33:18,133
Speaker 2: They've actually got a dedicated kids track there as well,

1802
01:33:18,173 --> 01:33:21,893
Speaker 2: which is very popular. You know, if you're traveling with families.

1803
01:33:21,853 --> 01:33:22,973
Speaker 3: And what are the kids racing?

1804
01:33:23,213 --> 01:33:27,653
Speaker 2: Dore, I ask are yeah, gokuts, not as soup duck, yes,

1805
01:33:27,853 --> 01:33:29,373
Speaker 2: not as soup du as the adult ones.

1806
01:33:29,733 --> 01:33:33,053
Speaker 3: Yeah right, very good. Yeah, so for a different form

1807
01:33:33,093 --> 01:33:36,133
Speaker 3: of racing entirely, let's talks.

1808
01:33:36,773 --> 01:33:40,373
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, camel racing season has just started, Jack,

1809
01:33:40,573 --> 01:33:45,133
Speaker 2: So every Friday between now and the end of February.

1810
01:33:45,173 --> 01:33:50,613
Speaker 2: This is wildly popular in Doha, highly competitive. The camels

1811
01:33:50,613 --> 01:33:55,013
Speaker 2: are prized and pampered. Originally I found this mind blowing.

1812
01:33:55,093 --> 01:33:58,853
Speaker 2: Originally kids were used as jockeys for the camels. That

1813
01:33:59,053 --> 01:34:02,853
Speaker 2: was deemed a little bit maybe not so for the

1814
01:34:02,933 --> 01:34:10,213
Speaker 2: last gone Yeah exactly, Jack. So for the last decade

1815
01:34:10,293 --> 01:34:12,853
Speaker 2: or so, they've been using robots. So you've got these

1816
01:34:12,853 --> 01:34:15,653
Speaker 2: little robots mounted on top of the camels and they

1817
01:34:15,733 --> 01:34:20,253
Speaker 2: controlled remotely by the camel herders alongside the drenk. But

1818
01:34:20,533 --> 01:34:23,253
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, in terms of old and new Doha,

1819
01:34:23,573 --> 01:34:27,173
Speaker 2: that really sort of says it all. And another great

1820
01:34:27,173 --> 01:34:30,253
Speaker 2: way to sample some camel time is just head to

1821
01:34:30,333 --> 01:34:34,653
Speaker 2: the sublime souk wak If in old town Doha. I've

1822
01:34:34,693 --> 01:34:37,413
Speaker 2: got camel rides there around the clock, and also Arabian

1823
01:34:37,413 --> 01:34:39,893
Speaker 2: horses which are just the most spectacular beasts.

1824
01:34:40,013 --> 01:34:41,453
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice, are there?

1825
01:34:42,293 --> 01:34:42,613
Speaker 2: You go?

1826
01:34:42,653 --> 01:34:46,333
Speaker 3: From the camels if you go down to the Soup. Yeah,

1827
01:34:46,373 --> 01:34:49,613
Speaker 3: to speak of the other wildlife attraction. Are there falcons

1828
01:34:50,173 --> 01:34:50,653
Speaker 3: in the suit?

1829
01:34:51,053 --> 01:34:53,893
Speaker 2: Yes, there are. I was actually a bit taken Aback.

1830
01:34:53,933 --> 01:34:57,413
Speaker 2: I was wandering through Hammad International Airport, got off the

1831
01:34:57,413 --> 01:34:59,453
Speaker 2: plane into the arrivals hall and there were these two

1832
01:34:59,573 --> 01:35:04,293
Speaker 2: lovely old men carrying their sick falcon through the airport

1833
01:35:04,533 --> 01:35:06,853
Speaker 2: and that'd flown in from Kwait. I was having a

1834
01:35:06,933 --> 01:35:08,253
Speaker 2: chat to them and they said, we're off to the

1835
01:35:08,253 --> 01:35:12,653
Speaker 2: falcon hospital at the Souk. Apparently that hospital is considered

1836
01:35:12,653 --> 01:35:18,173
Speaker 2: the world's best for falcons. So alongside medical care for

1837
01:35:18,253 --> 01:35:21,373
Speaker 2: your falcon, you can buy falcons at the Souk, and

1838
01:35:21,493 --> 01:35:25,893
Speaker 2: also the accessories. It's like the animates for falcons, like

1839
01:35:26,013 --> 01:35:30,653
Speaker 2: you can buy landing pads, GPS guidance systems.

1840
01:35:30,453 --> 01:35:31,533
Speaker 4: For your falcon.

1841
01:35:33,013 --> 01:35:35,933
Speaker 2: So I didn't have falcon chopping on my agenda, Jack.

1842
01:35:36,013 --> 01:35:41,133
Speaker 2: But the Souk if it is the most magnificent, atmospheric,

1843
01:35:41,373 --> 01:35:45,773
Speaker 2: sprawling stone complex of restored buildings and you can just

1844
01:35:45,893 --> 01:35:49,573
Speaker 2: leisurely explore through those winding alleys. There are spice stalls,

1845
01:35:49,613 --> 01:35:54,333
Speaker 2: there are perfumeries, handcrafted goods, great dining and superblo glarsts,

1846
01:35:54,573 --> 01:35:55,173
Speaker 2: So what is it?

1847
01:35:55,293 --> 01:35:58,173
Speaker 3: Do you know that when I think of falcons and falconry,

1848
01:35:58,213 --> 01:36:00,773
Speaker 3: I always think of those little hoods they wear. Yes,

1849
01:36:01,653 --> 01:36:04,533
Speaker 3: what would a falconry hood cost? Any idea? If you

1850
01:36:04,533 --> 01:36:08,213
Speaker 3: said to me was I would say, yep, okay for it.

1851
01:36:08,453 --> 01:36:10,253
Speaker 3: If you said to me it was ten thousand dollars.

1852
01:36:10,573 --> 01:36:13,693
Speaker 3: I just have absolutely no kind of scope or scale

1853
01:36:13,733 --> 01:36:16,453
Speaker 3: for the falconry hood costs. Do you have any idea?

1854
01:36:16,813 --> 01:36:20,613
Speaker 2: I would imagine it would depend on how wide your

1855
01:36:20,653 --> 01:36:25,933
Speaker 2: budget spends, because I did notice you can get Gucci huts.

1856
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:31,173
Speaker 3: Of course you can, wow, and I suppose you have to.

1857
01:36:31,533 --> 01:36:34,133
Speaker 3: I wonder if they like tailor them, you know, to

1858
01:36:34,253 --> 01:36:36,373
Speaker 3: your falcons. I wonder if there's a range of falcon

1859
01:36:36,413 --> 01:36:39,373
Speaker 3: sized heads. I just it's one of those past times.

1860
01:36:39,413 --> 01:36:41,573
Speaker 3: We're clearly the people who are partaking have a lot

1861
01:36:41,573 --> 01:36:43,613
Speaker 3: of money, right, and so I'm sure we're not the

1862
01:36:43,653 --> 01:36:45,853
Speaker 3: first ones to work that out. And so I'm sure

1863
01:36:45,853 --> 01:36:50,653
Speaker 3: there are all sorts of accessories and products that are

1864
01:36:50,693 --> 01:36:55,413
Speaker 3: suited to different different budgets. Yeah, what about something to wait?

1865
01:36:55,693 --> 01:36:58,613
Speaker 3: There's some such eats and do hard that you would

1866
01:36:58,613 --> 01:37:00,373
Speaker 3: recommend there are?

1867
01:37:00,533 --> 01:37:04,093
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's got a massive expet population because

1868
01:37:04,613 --> 01:37:08,333
Speaker 2: native Kataris only make up fifteen percent of the population

1869
01:37:08,413 --> 01:37:11,333
Speaker 2: of Doha, which is just extraordinary, isn't it. But if

1870
01:37:11,333 --> 01:37:15,613
Speaker 2: you do want to tuck into the national dish in Kata,

1871
01:37:15,693 --> 01:37:19,253
Speaker 2: it is macboos So Mark Boost is like this mashup

1872
01:37:19,453 --> 01:37:22,733
Speaker 2: of rice and meat and onions and tomatoes mixed with spices.

1873
01:37:23,253 --> 01:37:26,013
Speaker 2: Generally you will find it served with chicken, but I

1874
01:37:26,093 --> 01:37:29,293
Speaker 2: reckon the lamb shank Mark Boose is the better bet.

1875
01:37:30,173 --> 01:37:32,973
Speaker 2: If you're looking for a really special spot to dine

1876
01:37:33,373 --> 01:37:38,253
Speaker 2: in soukwak if I headed to Parisa and it's this

1877
01:37:38,493 --> 01:37:44,133
Speaker 2: gorgeous Persian restaurant, all mosaics, mirrored ceiling. I tried the

1878
01:37:44,293 --> 01:37:48,653
Speaker 2: watermelon and feta salad, which was just so delightful. It

1879
01:37:48,693 --> 01:37:51,253
Speaker 2: was amazing. It had like little bits of cucumber and

1880
01:37:51,293 --> 01:37:54,133
Speaker 2: mint in it as well, just gorgeous. And then cash

1881
01:37:54,253 --> 01:37:57,973
Speaker 2: ke bottom John, which is I thought this is very jactam.

1882
01:37:58,053 --> 01:38:02,973
Speaker 2: Actually it's an eggplant dip dish and it's got saffron

1883
01:38:03,053 --> 01:38:07,773
Speaker 2: and caramelized onions and sour cream stuff. Yourself stupid on that?

1884
01:38:08,053 --> 01:38:10,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that does sound like a bit of me.

1885
01:38:10,333 --> 01:38:16,413
Speaker 3: And honestly, the watermelon fetter slash and you know, watermelon

1886
01:38:16,813 --> 01:38:20,773
Speaker 3: mint combo always a winner. Recrostive sounds great now I've

1887
01:38:20,853 --> 01:38:25,053
Speaker 3: very quickly cheted gpt'd it. So apparently that the absolutely

1888
01:38:25,053 --> 01:38:28,093
Speaker 3: you can go super luxury. So you can if you want, Mike,

1889
01:38:28,133 --> 01:38:30,053
Speaker 3: and this is probably your end of town. You can

1890
01:38:30,133 --> 01:38:32,453
Speaker 3: spend more than one hundred thousand dollars on a Falconry

1891
01:38:32,453 --> 01:38:34,693
Speaker 3: hood if you need there you go. You can get

1892
01:38:34,693 --> 01:38:36,933
Speaker 3: the TMU version as well. So if you're going with

1893
01:38:36,973 --> 01:38:40,013
Speaker 3: your team, if you can afford a falcon and yeah,

1894
01:38:40,013 --> 01:38:43,173
Speaker 3: you can afford to pursue Falconry, but you feel like

1895
01:38:43,173 --> 01:38:45,253
Speaker 3: you want to go team, you can spend about thirty

1896
01:38:45,293 --> 01:38:48,373
Speaker 3: bucks on a Falconry hood as well. So you truly

1897
01:38:48,453 --> 01:38:51,973
Speaker 3: is a scale, isn't it. Yeah, hey, thank you so much.

1898
01:38:52,013 --> 01:38:53,573
Speaker 3: Do you know I've never been to you So I

1899
01:38:53,693 --> 01:38:55,693
Speaker 3: got lots of friends there of course, and heaps of

1900
01:38:55,733 --> 01:38:58,813
Speaker 3: key Wes work out of the old Jazeera newsroom, So yeah,

1901
01:38:59,293 --> 01:39:01,253
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll have some reason to go and visit

1902
01:39:01,293 --> 01:39:03,093
Speaker 3: some friends there at some point. But those are very

1903
01:39:03,173 --> 01:39:05,853
Speaker 3: very useful tips. Indeed, we'll make sure all of Mike's

1904
01:39:05,853 --> 01:39:08,693
Speaker 3: advice into Doughhart is up and available on the news

1905
01:39:08,693 --> 01:39:10,373
Speaker 3: Talks HEB website and thank you so much for your

1906
01:39:10,373 --> 01:39:12,533
Speaker 3: feedback this morning. Debbie has took me a note, so Jack,

1907
01:39:13,813 --> 01:39:17,053
Speaker 3: you might think twice about going completely digital with all

1908
01:39:17,093 --> 01:39:19,333
Speaker 3: of your personal info on your phone if you lived

1909
01:39:19,333 --> 01:39:21,933
Speaker 3: in London. They reckon that a phone is stolen every

1910
01:39:22,093 --> 01:39:25,413
Speaker 3: four minutes in London, and of course they are deactivated

1911
01:39:25,533 --> 01:39:27,933
Speaker 3: very quickly, put on aeroplane mode. They can't be traced,

1912
01:39:27,973 --> 01:39:30,173
Speaker 3: and then they're often sent overseas where they're broken down,

1913
01:39:30,253 --> 01:39:33,173
Speaker 3: rebuilt and then on sold to other countries, probably on

1914
01:39:33,293 --> 01:39:35,613
Speaker 3: sold back into the British market where people buy back

1915
01:39:35,653 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 3: their previously stolen phones. It wouldn't be inconceivable with it

1916
01:39:39,133 --> 01:39:42,893
Speaker 3: before they're broken down, data is retrieved, says Debbie. Yeah,

1917
01:39:43,053 --> 01:39:45,133
Speaker 3: I mean you would hope that there are I mean,

1918
01:39:45,613 --> 01:39:47,893
Speaker 3: I know that there are lots of security features built

1919
01:39:47,893 --> 01:39:49,933
Speaker 3: into these things. But I think you raise a really

1920
01:39:49,973 --> 01:39:52,053
Speaker 3: good point in their Debbie ninety two ninety two. If

1921
01:39:52,093 --> 01:39:54,013
Speaker 3: you want to send us message, it's just gone eleven.

1922
01:39:53,813 --> 01:40:02,053
Speaker 7: Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

1923
01:40:02,133 --> 01:40:03,893
Speaker 7: team on News Talks EDB.

1924
01:40:04,133 --> 01:40:23,773
Speaker 22: When okay, twenty seven to twelve and you still zedvy

1925
01:40:24,133 --> 01:40:25,493
Speaker 22: You've jactating through it in midday.

1926
01:40:25,493 --> 01:40:27,773
Speaker 3: Then Jason Pine is in for a weekend sport, counting

1927
01:40:27,813 --> 01:40:29,373
Speaker 3: down the hours to kick off at twicken and the

1928
01:40:29,413 --> 01:40:31,293
Speaker 3: all backs England and pining oure seat at the start

1929
01:40:31,293 --> 01:40:32,853
Speaker 3: of the show. Surely if they get through that and

1930
01:40:32,853 --> 01:40:35,693
Speaker 3: then the Grand Slam is done, but it's a big

1931
01:40:35,733 --> 01:40:39,053
Speaker 3: if it's still it's still England at Twickenham, and then

1932
01:40:39,093 --> 01:40:40,813
Speaker 3: you know, you think about last season and you know

1933
01:40:40,853 --> 01:40:41,693
Speaker 3: they got pretty close.

1934
01:40:42,133 --> 01:40:44,133
Speaker 13: It feels like a fifty to fifty proposition to meet

1935
01:40:44,173 --> 01:40:47,253
Speaker 13: Jack you reckon, Yeah, yeah, I think if you if

1936
01:40:47,293 --> 01:40:49,733
Speaker 13: you didn't have skin in the game, you'd probably you know,

1937
01:40:49,933 --> 01:40:53,333
Speaker 13: be be hard pushed to pick who you think is

1938
01:40:53,373 --> 01:40:54,773
Speaker 13: gonna win. I know it's not meant to be that

1939
01:40:54,893 --> 01:40:59,333
Speaker 13: flash weather wise in London tomorrow morning our time said

1940
01:40:59,333 --> 01:41:02,173
Speaker 13: of evening. There's so whether that plays into it, not

1941
01:41:02,333 --> 01:41:04,773
Speaker 13: too sure. It just as you say, though, it feels

1942
01:41:04,773 --> 01:41:07,013
Speaker 13: as if they can get across this the line they

1943
01:41:07,053 --> 01:41:09,653
Speaker 13: can beat England, then the Grand slammer is there. I mean,

1944
01:41:09,733 --> 01:41:12,973
Speaker 13: Wales have been pretty ordinary, haven't they for the last

1945
01:41:12,973 --> 01:41:15,613
Speaker 13: little while. Argentina put fifty on them last week. I

1946
01:41:15,693 --> 01:41:18,653
Speaker 13: think they've lost eighteen of their last nineteen Test matches. Man,

1947
01:41:18,733 --> 01:41:22,173
Speaker 13: that must sting such a proud rugby nation like Wales.

1948
01:41:22,213 --> 01:41:25,053
Speaker 13: But look, we'll worry about them next week England Tomorrow,

1949
01:41:25,413 --> 01:41:27,533
Speaker 13: I think it again, Jack will be a twenty three

1950
01:41:27,653 --> 01:41:29,733
Speaker 13: man game. We saw the impact off the bench of

1951
01:41:29,853 --> 01:41:32,613
Speaker 13: Damien McKenzie last week and others who came into the

1952
01:41:32,653 --> 01:41:34,933
Speaker 13: game in the latter stages. We saw that against Ireland

1953
01:41:35,253 --> 01:41:39,133
Speaker 13: two weeks ago, that last twenty minutes was fantastic from

1954
01:41:39,173 --> 01:41:40,653
Speaker 13: the All Blacks. I get the feeling it'll be the

1955
01:41:40,693 --> 01:41:43,973
Speaker 13: same tomorrow. That bench impact not just from us but

1956
01:41:44,133 --> 01:41:45,653
Speaker 13: from them as well, and they've picked a six to

1957
01:41:45,693 --> 01:41:48,693
Speaker 13: two bench will be pretty important in this one.

1958
01:41:48,813 --> 01:41:50,893
Speaker 3: Hard to know which way it will go. I think

1959
01:41:51,493 --> 01:41:52,333
Speaker 3: it'll be close.

1960
01:41:52,453 --> 01:41:55,493
Speaker 13: Most games in recent times between these two have been

1961
01:41:55,933 --> 01:41:59,053
Speaker 13: decided by less than than five to seven points. I

1962
01:41:59,133 --> 01:42:00,293
Speaker 13: think it'll be the same tomorrow.

1963
01:42:00,413 --> 01:42:00,613
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1964
01:42:00,733 --> 01:42:03,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, How are you feeling about the All Whites prospects

1965
01:42:03,453 --> 01:42:07,533
Speaker 3: against Columbia? No, Chris Wood, what Columbia sixteenth in the world.

1966
01:42:07,613 --> 01:42:09,573
Speaker 3: They're playing in Florida, so I suppose you could say

1967
01:42:09,573 --> 01:42:11,973
Speaker 3: it's neutral territory, but I suspect there are a few

1968
01:42:12,053 --> 01:42:15,413
Speaker 3: more Columbians than there are kiwis in Florida for that

1969
01:42:15,613 --> 01:42:16,653
Speaker 3: friendly tomorrow afternoon.

1970
01:42:16,933 --> 01:42:18,133
Speaker 19: I think you're probably right there.

1971
01:42:18,213 --> 01:42:20,453
Speaker 13: Yeah, and Columbia, regardless of where New Zealand play them,

1972
01:42:20,453 --> 01:42:22,133
Speaker 13: are always going to be favorites, aren't they. They're a

1973
01:42:22,173 --> 01:42:25,573
Speaker 13: South American side that finished above Brazil in their World

1974
01:42:25,573 --> 01:42:29,493
Speaker 13: Cup qualification period, so that gives you an indication of

1975
01:42:29,573 --> 01:42:30,133
Speaker 13: how good they are.

1976
01:42:30,293 --> 01:42:30,613
Speaker 3: You're right.

1977
01:42:30,693 --> 01:42:33,453
Speaker 13: No Chris Wood, no Libby Cacaci, no Alex Paulson, no

1978
01:42:33,653 --> 01:42:34,373
Speaker 13: Ryan Thomas.

1979
01:42:34,533 --> 01:42:37,013
Speaker 19: So there's been some injury.

1980
01:42:36,733 --> 01:42:40,173
Speaker 13: Depletion in this all white squad, but the door opens

1981
01:42:40,213 --> 01:42:42,893
Speaker 13: for others to have an opportunity. And these, as we've

1982
01:42:42,893 --> 01:42:45,173
Speaker 13: spoken about, Jack, these are the kind of teams who

1983
01:42:45,213 --> 01:42:48,453
Speaker 13: New Zealand may well face at the World Cup next year.

1984
01:42:48,853 --> 01:42:51,493
Speaker 13: We are going to face a team inside the world's

1985
01:42:51,533 --> 01:42:55,173
Speaker 13: top fifteen probably and it will be in a hostile environment.

1986
01:42:55,253 --> 01:42:57,733
Speaker 13: So they have to just, I guess, try and replicate

1987
01:42:58,533 --> 01:43:00,093
Speaker 13: at the moment what will happen at the World Cup

1988
01:43:00,133 --> 01:43:01,613
Speaker 13: next year if they're going to get out of that group.

1989
01:43:01,693 --> 01:43:05,093
Speaker 13: So yeah, Columbia tomorrow, then Ecuador, who are a very

1990
01:43:05,133 --> 01:43:07,493
Speaker 13: good side as well, on Wednesday. At the end of

1991
01:43:07,533 --> 01:43:08,693
Speaker 13: this that will be the end of the year and

1992
01:43:08,773 --> 01:43:11,093
Speaker 13: just the one window I think in March and then

1993
01:43:11,093 --> 01:43:14,093
Speaker 13: a couple of games before the world comes. So all

1994
01:43:14,293 --> 01:43:16,733
Speaker 13: time together is important. I think that needs to be

1995
01:43:17,213 --> 01:43:19,413
Speaker 13: needs to be made clear as well. Regardless of who

1996
01:43:19,453 --> 01:43:22,653
Speaker 13: they play, every time they get together it is valuable

1997
01:43:22,693 --> 01:43:23,933
Speaker 13: in terms of their road to the world come.

1998
01:43:24,013 --> 01:43:26,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And this afternoon you're going to take

1999
01:43:26,373 --> 01:43:30,053
Speaker 3: a look at this suggestion around changes to our domestic

2000
01:43:30,133 --> 01:43:31,093
Speaker 3: T twenty competition.

2001
01:43:31,413 --> 01:43:33,373
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's been a lot of discussion about this over

2002
01:43:33,413 --> 01:43:35,853
Speaker 13: the last week to ten days or so. One idea

2003
01:43:35,933 --> 01:43:39,613
Speaker 13: gaining traction a franchise based T twenty league, similar to

2004
01:43:39,693 --> 01:43:42,373
Speaker 13: what exists in most other Tier one cricket nations. So

2005
01:43:42,733 --> 01:43:44,573
Speaker 13: going to break this down after midday. We'll talk all

2006
01:43:44,573 --> 01:43:46,373
Speaker 13: blacks of course as well, and all whites. And Emma

2007
01:43:46,413 --> 01:43:50,773
Speaker 13: Twigs on the show too, Jack talk about talk about superhuman.

2008
01:43:51,093 --> 01:43:54,253
Speaker 13: She's been to five Olympics. She's now targeting la in

2009
01:43:54,453 --> 01:43:58,653
Speaker 13: coastal rowing. It's an incredible new addition to the Olympic calendar.

2010
01:43:58,813 --> 01:44:01,213
Speaker 13: So Emma Twigg became a world champion in coastal rowing

2011
01:44:01,213 --> 01:44:02,893
Speaker 13: a week ago, so which had to hear about her

2012
01:44:02,893 --> 01:44:06,453
Speaker 13: Olympic ambitions for a sixth time this afternoon on the show.

2013
01:44:06,533 --> 01:44:10,773
Speaker 3: SUPERB Big Show this afternoon. Yeah, looking for.

2014
01:44:13,173 --> 01:44:13,493
Speaker 2: Hearing it.

2015
01:44:13,813 --> 01:44:16,173
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, very good, Thank you, sir. Jason Pine

2016
01:44:16,253 --> 01:44:18,213
Speaker 3: behind the mic for a weekend sport right after the

2017
01:44:18,253 --> 01:44:20,773
Speaker 3: midday news. Before midday, we've got that new music from

2018
01:44:20,973 --> 01:44:23,333
Speaker 3: ross Alia, plus your book picks for this week. Right now,

2019
01:44:23,373 --> 01:44:24,733
Speaker 3: It's twenty three to twelve.

2020
01:44:25,453 --> 01:44:29,693
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Folk Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2021
01:44:29,973 --> 01:44:32,453
Speaker 1: powered by News Talk ZB twenty.

2022
01:44:32,373 --> 01:44:35,053
Speaker 3: Twelve on News Talks. He'd be two cracking books with

2023
01:44:35,413 --> 01:44:38,773
Speaker 3: four big name authors this morning. Yeah, both of these

2024
01:44:38,893 --> 01:44:42,053
Speaker 3: are collabs. Catherine Rains is our book reviewers. She's here

2025
01:44:42,093 --> 01:44:44,453
Speaker 3: with us this morning, and Cas one better kick off

2026
01:44:44,493 --> 01:44:47,693
Speaker 3: with the latest Jack Reacher tell us about Exit Strategy

2027
01:44:47,773 --> 01:44:49,293
Speaker 3: by Lee and Andrew Child.

2028
01:44:50,173 --> 01:44:53,493
Speaker 23: So this is the Stutius in the Jack Creature novels.

2029
01:44:53,613 --> 01:44:57,293
Speaker 23: And in this riches in Baltimore and he's there for

2030
01:44:57,333 --> 01:44:59,453
Speaker 23: a concert and it's a little bit colder, and he

2031
01:44:59,493 --> 01:45:01,653
Speaker 23: decides that he needs a new coat, but of course,

2032
01:45:01,693 --> 01:45:03,933
Speaker 23: being richer, he first needs coffee. So he's sitting in

2033
01:45:04,053 --> 01:45:06,653
Speaker 23: the corner of a coffee shop watching the door and

2034
01:45:06,733 --> 01:45:09,133
Speaker 23: there's some things going on, and you know, he noticed

2035
01:45:09,133 --> 01:45:11,333
Speaker 23: a couple of people being ripped off by con artist

2036
01:45:11,413 --> 01:45:13,333
Speaker 23: and he kind of a bit of a distraction and

2037
01:45:13,413 --> 01:45:15,893
Speaker 23: he deals with that, and then as he's leaving, this

2038
01:45:16,093 --> 01:45:19,333
Speaker 23: man that he later knows as a guy called Nathan

2039
01:45:19,373 --> 01:45:22,893
Speaker 23: Gilmore brushes past him in the doorway and he riacherd

2040
01:45:22,893 --> 01:45:25,453
Speaker 23: feels like he's been pickpocketed, but you know, it's password.

2041
01:45:25,493 --> 01:45:28,093
Speaker 23: Everything else he needs is there. But actually, later on,

2042
01:45:28,133 --> 01:45:29,933
Speaker 23: when he's about to throw out this old coach, he

2043
01:45:30,053 --> 01:45:32,493
Speaker 23: phones this handwritten notion of his pocket with you know,

2044
01:45:32,693 --> 01:45:34,853
Speaker 23: some messages on it that is saying that life and

2045
01:45:34,973 --> 01:45:38,373
Speaker 23: danger and could you know late night meeting spot, And

2046
01:45:39,093 --> 01:45:40,773
Speaker 23: Rachel thinks, well, he should at least go and tell

2047
01:45:40,773 --> 01:45:43,373
Speaker 23: this guy that you know, see who needs help and

2048
01:45:43,493 --> 01:45:44,933
Speaker 23: tell him that, you know, why did he even know

2049
01:45:45,053 --> 01:45:47,453
Speaker 23: in his pocket? And he's not the right guy. And

2050
01:45:47,533 --> 01:45:49,693
Speaker 23: so Richard scouts out the meeting spot and he meets

2051
01:45:49,773 --> 01:45:53,973
Speaker 23: this guy, Nathan Gilmore, and Gilmore proceeds to tell riche

2052
01:45:54,133 --> 01:45:56,573
Speaker 23: this sad story. He was in military intelligence, he had

2053
01:45:56,613 --> 01:45:59,453
Speaker 23: a gambling addiction, and he's returned home and as he

2054
01:45:59,573 --> 01:46:02,693
Speaker 23: returned home, the stranger offered to pay offers gambling debts

2055
01:46:02,813 --> 01:46:05,213
Speaker 23: and put him in this job in a port administration

2056
01:46:05,293 --> 01:46:08,533
Speaker 23: in Baltimore and exchange Gilwall would feed us the information

2057
01:46:08,613 --> 01:46:11,133
Speaker 23: about shipments. And then a cowork is killed in an

2058
01:46:11,133 --> 01:46:14,773
Speaker 23: accident and Gilmour realizes that actually things are going badly wrong.

2059
01:46:15,293 --> 01:46:18,053
Speaker 23: And this trail leads to another guy and yeah, it's

2060
01:46:18,173 --> 01:46:21,133
Speaker 23: the usual Jack Reacher. You know, wrong place, wrong time,

2061
01:46:21,453 --> 01:46:23,693
Speaker 23: and in his case, not always a bad thing. He's

2062
01:46:23,733 --> 01:46:25,173
Speaker 23: the type of hero you kind of one on your

2063
01:46:25,253 --> 01:46:26,533
Speaker 23: side and not on the other side.

2064
01:46:26,573 --> 01:46:27,013
Speaker 2: And this is.

2065
01:46:27,813 --> 01:46:31,533
Speaker 23: Typical Jack Reacher. And it's a great read, nice, exactly

2066
01:46:31,573 --> 01:46:32,293
Speaker 23: as you would expect.

2067
01:46:32,373 --> 01:46:34,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, but by book number thirty,

2068
01:46:34,613 --> 01:46:36,893
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to change the formula too much.

2069
01:46:37,373 --> 01:46:40,133
Speaker 3: So that's an exit strategy by Lee and Andrew Child.

2070
01:46:40,573 --> 01:46:43,653
Speaker 3: Next up a co lab between Harlan Coben and Reese

2071
01:46:43,773 --> 01:46:47,013
Speaker 3: Witherspoon of All People Gone Before Goodbye.

2072
01:46:48,293 --> 01:46:50,733
Speaker 23: So this is a really interesting co lab. And in

2073
01:46:50,853 --> 01:46:53,453
Speaker 23: this story you met this woman, Maggie mckab and she's

2074
01:46:53,533 --> 01:46:57,093
Speaker 23: a very skilled Army combat surgeon and she's always lived

2075
01:46:57,133 --> 01:46:58,693
Speaker 23: life sort of on the edge where she could make

2076
01:46:58,773 --> 01:47:02,093
Speaker 23: most impact and what she specializes in his plastic surgery.

2077
01:47:02,213 --> 01:47:05,293
Speaker 23: But she can do anything. But in this particular point

2078
01:47:05,333 --> 01:47:07,613
Speaker 23: in time that we meet her, her life's fallen apart.

2079
01:47:08,173 --> 01:47:12,133
Speaker 23: Her husband's been murdered overseas, her mother passes, and her

2080
01:47:12,373 --> 01:47:15,173
Speaker 23: partner in the medical and friend and the medical license

2081
01:47:15,213 --> 01:47:17,933
Speaker 23: has gone missing. And so with all of the things

2082
01:47:18,013 --> 01:47:20,653
Speaker 23: that she's dealing with, she ends up losing her medical

2083
01:47:20,773 --> 01:47:24,533
Speaker 23: license when a surgery just goes awfully wrong. And then

2084
01:47:24,613 --> 01:47:27,533
Speaker 23: she's recruited by almost like this white Night, a professor

2085
01:47:27,613 --> 01:47:30,213
Speaker 23: who was her mentor and medical skill comes to her

2086
01:47:30,293 --> 01:47:34,333
Speaker 23: with this very unusual proposal that will make most of

2087
01:47:34,373 --> 01:47:37,733
Speaker 23: her problems disappear. So next thing she knows is she

2088
01:47:37,813 --> 01:47:41,173
Speaker 23: finds herself aboard these luxury private jets, winging her way

2089
01:47:41,253 --> 01:47:44,733
Speaker 23: to a location that she's not sure of, and she's

2090
01:47:45,013 --> 01:47:47,573
Speaker 23: asked to perform plastic surgery in this elite world where

2091
01:47:47,613 --> 01:47:50,373
Speaker 23: money can buy anything. And then you know, the suspicion

2092
01:47:50,453 --> 01:47:53,213
Speaker 23: starts to raise why she there? Will she ever get home?

2093
01:47:53,933 --> 01:47:55,933
Speaker 23: And you end up in various places around the world,

2094
01:47:56,013 --> 01:47:58,853
Speaker 23: in Baltimore and Russia and Dubai and England, and there's

2095
01:47:58,933 --> 01:48:01,573
Speaker 23: the corruption and elitism and greed and all of those

2096
01:48:01,653 --> 01:48:05,813
Speaker 23: things taking center stage. And what was really interesting is

2097
01:48:05,853 --> 01:48:09,453
Speaker 23: that when you're reading the stories you get these these

2098
01:48:09,533 --> 01:48:12,453
Speaker 23: two authors, how they've got a very different style. I mean,

2099
01:48:12,693 --> 01:48:16,813
Speaker 23: Coben's very thriller in suspense and Witherspoon's much more emotionally

2100
01:48:16,853 --> 01:48:19,293
Speaker 23: focused narrative. And there's a lot going on this book,

2101
01:48:19,293 --> 01:48:22,133
Speaker 23: and it's fast paced and lots of tension, and that

2102
01:48:22,253 --> 01:48:25,013
Speaker 23: the plot is really addictive, and you find yourself really

2103
01:48:25,093 --> 01:48:27,053
Speaker 23: wanting to know what Maggie McCabe's going to do next

2104
01:48:27,093 --> 01:48:28,053
Speaker 23: and what's going to happen.

2105
01:48:28,093 --> 01:48:30,173
Speaker 3: And do you reckon it is Reese Wetherspoon who's actually

2106
01:48:30,173 --> 01:48:34,373
Speaker 3: been doing that, doing the work here. It feels is

2107
01:48:34,373 --> 01:48:39,293
Speaker 3: a great storyteller, right, But yeah, yes, yeah, no it does.

2108
01:48:39,213 --> 01:48:43,213
Speaker 23: Because the narrative feels different from a Carlem Coben novel,

2109
01:48:43,293 --> 01:48:45,613
Speaker 23: and it definitely feels like it's much more of a

2110
01:48:45,733 --> 01:48:51,053
Speaker 23: female perspective. So yeah, definitely it's not Reese Withspoon, it

2111
01:48:51,093 --> 01:48:52,893
Speaker 23: feels like it was a female author anyway, but I

2112
01:48:52,893 --> 01:48:55,133
Speaker 23: think it genuinely was her. Feels a little bit like,

2113
01:48:55,453 --> 01:48:57,173
Speaker 23: you know, how she would be and how she would

2114
01:48:57,173 --> 01:48:57,533
Speaker 23: speak of.

2115
01:48:57,933 --> 01:49:00,493
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, very good, So that's gone before goodbye by

2116
01:49:00,613 --> 01:49:04,213
Speaker 3: Harlan Coben and Reese Witherspoon. Exit Strategy as the new

2117
01:49:04,293 --> 01:49:06,733
Speaker 3: Jack Reached a book by Lee Child and Andrew Child.

2118
01:49:06,973 --> 01:49:08,933
Speaker 3: Both of those books will be on the News Talks.

2119
01:49:08,973 --> 01:49:10,373
Speaker 3: He'd be website.

2120
01:49:10,533 --> 01:49:13,453
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to

2121
01:49:13,533 --> 01:49:17,053
Speaker 1: know Saturday Morning with Jack Tame News Talks.

2122
01:49:17,093 --> 01:49:29,213
Speaker 3: It so really you heard the last.

2123
01:49:30,853 --> 01:49:33,213
Speaker 14: Lam bang Ko Ma.

2124
01:49:37,933 --> 01:49:54,213
Speaker 24: Las timbers us here the crystal can dress.

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Speaker 3: Killer No bet is Rosalia. The song is called Reliquia.

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Speaker 3: She's got a brand new album called lux and Chris

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Speaker 3: Shultz has been listening. Good morning, Jack.

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Speaker 19: Did you get all that? Did you understand it?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 3: She was running through It was a bit of a

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Speaker 3: like a Tokyo Berlin Buenos Aire's situation. But no, I

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Speaker 3: didn't quite get all of it. Relicia, I can tell

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Speaker 3: you that much. That means relic in Spanish. But well done. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's about you know.

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Speaker 19: That is the thing with this album. It is her

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Speaker 19: fourth album. It's very different to her first three. Her

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Speaker 19: first three albums followed this kind of traditional pop structure.

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Speaker 19: There were hip hop bangers and there were dance bangers.

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Speaker 19: And she's got this great voice. She was always mostly

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Speaker 19: singing in Spanish. She is one of the most popular

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Speaker 19: Spanish artists. I think she's got one of She's got

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Speaker 19: twelve number ones in her home country, she's one Grammys,

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Speaker 19: she's headline Coachella. Yeah, everyone knows of her. But this

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Speaker 19: album is the one where she's jettisoned all that and

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Speaker 19: she's just gone for it. This is fifteen songs, I

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Speaker 19: think eighteen on the physical copies. It's split into four parts.

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Speaker 19: It's referencing ancient religions and sacred texts and saints and yeah,

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Speaker 19: she's singing in thirteen different languages.

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Speaker 3: Yea, as you do.

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Speaker 19: It's a whole lot. I tried listening to this in

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Speaker 19: an airport for the first time, and it was too much.

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Speaker 19: I could not take it in too busy.

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Speaker 3: She said.

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Speaker 19: This is her rejection of TikTok culture, of playlist streaming culture.

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Speaker 19: She wants you to listen to this as a full

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Speaker 19: body of work in a darkened room with fifteen minutes. Jack,

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Speaker 19: I'm a dad with two kids. I don't get fifteen

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Speaker 19: minutes in a darken room to myself. But I did

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Speaker 19: give it a go. I listened to a few songs,

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Speaker 19: and it does connect more when you do.

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, yeah, yeah, when you can actually focus on

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Speaker 3: it as it were. Ah, yes, because yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: she's like, I am not someone who's known for being

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Speaker 3: up with the cool music, but I have listened to

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Speaker 3: a bit of Roselia over the years, and she is

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Speaker 3: a bit of a kind of unique entity. But it

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Speaker 3: feels like she's at the apex of the Spanish language

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Speaker 3: music movement at the moment. Is that fair?

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Speaker 19: Her and Bad Bunny, I would say, are right up there,

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Speaker 19: not just not just in Spain, but like around the world.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 19: Bad Bunny I think has topped the Spotify streaming charts

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Speaker 19: three of the last five years.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 19: Huge, He's headlining the super Bowlah, of course he's massive.

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01:52:23,853 --> 01:52:26,733
Speaker 19: Rosalia is massive. Like I said, I streamed her coach

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Speaker 19: Alli set and magnificent. You know, the language barrier doesn't

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Speaker 19: really matter. You can feel the intention and emotion behind

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Speaker 19: the music. My problem with this album, which has been

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Speaker 19: widely praised by almost every credit ninety seven percent on Metacritic,

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Speaker 19: it is one of the highest rating albums of the year.

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Speaker 19: I've got a bit of a different take, and that

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Speaker 19: is that this is an album you can admire. It's

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Speaker 19: really hard to enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 19: There's no bangers, there's very little kind of the trap beats.

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01:53:01,253 --> 01:53:03,293
Speaker 19: There's no kind of pop song. She's recorded with the

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Speaker 19: London Symphony Orchestra and often it's just the orchestra and

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01:53:07,413 --> 01:53:12,053
Speaker 19: her voice, which is stunning. Yeah, but it feels like

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Speaker 19: someone's on a stage doing showhands, belting out these operatic

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01:53:18,093 --> 01:53:21,813
Speaker 19: anthems at you. Yeah, but you can't see what's happening

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Speaker 19: on stage.

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Speaker 23: You know.

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Speaker 19: It's like a movie that you're listening to the soundtrack

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01:53:24,733 --> 01:53:25,893
Speaker 19: of that you haven't seen.

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Speaker 3: As harder to connect as a result. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 3: really interesting because even when we were just playing that song,

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01:53:32,933 --> 01:53:35,493
Speaker 3: it like I was like, is this is the is

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Speaker 3: the chorus coming up here? What's happening like that? I'm

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Speaker 3: waiting for that. I'm waiting for a catchy bit. And

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Speaker 3: it was like, oh, it's beautiful sounding, but it's not

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Speaker 3: necessarily something that's going to stick in my head. And

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Speaker 3: if you are a pop musician, maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's nice to do that.

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Speaker 19: No, it's really interesting because here in Altero, we you know,

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Speaker 19: bad Bunny is playing Australian Yes year, he's not coming

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Speaker 19: here and there's a reason for that. I was at

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Speaker 19: an events conference with Live Nation the biggest touring comany

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Speaker 19: in the world, and they said that that kind of

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Speaker 19: music hasn't really connect it. Maybe that's because our population

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Speaker 19: base is too small. We don't have enough Spanish speaking

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Speaker 19: residents to fill I mean, these artists are at stadium levels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 19: Huge, so to come here that they wouldn't be able

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Speaker 19: to do that because we just don't have that audio.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, before we let you go on, before we

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Speaker 3: give us a rating on lucks from rossall actually do that.

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Speaker 3: They do the rating first, so Medico gets his ninety

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Speaker 3: seven percent. Everyone's giving it five stars, but Chris Shultz

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Speaker 3: is actually six. Okay, no, we appreciate that. We appreciate

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Speaker 3: the honest.

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Speaker 19: I feel bad though, I feel bad about that.

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Speaker 5: This is good.

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Speaker 19: It might go up with more lessons, but I need

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Speaker 19: that time in a darkening room to myself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally get it. This is good. This is

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Speaker 3: good Oasis.

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Speaker 19: Holy wow. That was worth every cent because of the fans. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: one hundred percent. Because of the fans. The happiest, the

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Speaker 19: drunkest fans I've ever seen. I didn't see a single

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Speaker 19: posh or shove or argument. Everyone was just over the moon.

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Speaker 19: This thing happening that they never thought would happen. It

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Speaker 19: was the biggest song a sing along you've ever seen.

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Speaker 19: I've never seen that many people together in a stadium before,

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Speaker 19: and I've never seen that many people.

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Speaker 3: Just so happy.

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Speaker 19: They were hilariously happy. I saw these two big, burly

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Speaker 19: guys during Roll with It, sing every word, hug each

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Speaker 19: other for ages, and then I've just watched one of

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Speaker 19: them lean into his ear and go, I love you man.

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Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, OK, yeah, see that probably isn't gonna

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Speaker 3: happen with lux from us, but that's all right, but

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Speaker 3: perhaps tending to different taste. Hey, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you had a wonderful time last weekend.

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Speaker 3: I was certainly burning with envy after we spoke, so

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Speaker 3: I'm really pleased that it lived up to your expectations

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01:55:48,933 --> 01:55:51,613
Speaker 3: on that front. We will pick another song to play

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Speaker 3: you from Rosalia's new album in a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 3: maybe something that is a bit interesting, and we will

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Speaker 3: catch you again very soon. Of course, you can find

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Speaker 3: Chris Shultz on his substack. His substack is called boiler Room.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it is six to twelve.

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Speaker 1: O crazy to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: Team News Talk sipp.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jason Pine is standing by for a big episode

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Speaker 3: of Weekend Sport right after the midday news on News

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Speaker 3: Talks NP. Thank you very much for all of your

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Speaker 3: advice on not going one d percent digital just yet.

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01:56:23,733 --> 01:56:26,693
Speaker 3: I swear I will keep something, whether it's a bit

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Speaker 3: of plastic, whether it's a bit of cash, I'll keep

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Speaker 3: something for when Armageddon arrives. We're back with you next

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning from nine o'clock until the end. A massive

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Speaker 3: thanks to my wonderful producer Libby, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: leave you with Rossala. Her new album is lux This

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Speaker 3: is Divine Eyes.

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