1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: So what does seventy million dollars get you? In the 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: tourism and events game. The ankst is driven out of 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: people like Taylor Swift, of course bypassing the country. But 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: does money actually fix that? Forty of the seventy million 5 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: is for headliners and large scale events. Brent eccles is, 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: of course, the founder of Eckles Entertainment back with us. 7 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: Good morning, Hey you going. 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of feedback this morning from I 9 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: suspect people who don't quite understand this equation. When a 10 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: government hands out seventy million dollars, who gets it? And 11 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: what's it by? 12 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: Well, Jenery's it's just to phrase the cost of large 13 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: shows coming to New zero. So I guess in a 14 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: sense the artist, the artist benefits from it. The promoter 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: doesn't it really, But it's the color of things like 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: the fact that our dollar is weak against the US dollar. 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: Most deals have done in US dollars. That you know, 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: freight costs have gone through the roof, production costs and 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: stage in such like that has stopped these shows coming 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: to New zero over the last few years. 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: What about the basic economic imperative? I'm the manager of 22 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift or Billie Eilish or Cold Play or The 23 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: Rolling Stones. I look at Eden Parker go I can 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: pack that place three times over for three nights. I'm 25 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: going to hire it. I'm going to make a shed 26 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: load of money. Does it not work that way? 27 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: In the case of Taylor Swift that everyone talks about, 28 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: that was never going to come to New Zealand. It 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: only went to Marlote and Sydney didn't do Brisbe, Adelaide 30 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: or Perth. It was because of the size of the 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: show that the cost and sitting up was enormous. It 32 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: would not have worked at Eden park So but there 33 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: are many many other artists who I think you'll find 34 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: you with this fund. In the next three months or so, 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: we'll read more announcements for next summer, which as long 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: as these things take, but that will happen. 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: But you're telling me that, so go below Taylor Swift. 38 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: You're telling me a Luke Colms who did come here 39 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: and sold that. I think it was seventy thousand tickets 40 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: or whatever it was. They're not making money on that. 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: There must be money to be made on that. Therefore, 42 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: why do we need government money? 43 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: Or he did come yeah he can, so that that 44 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: equation worked for him, but are artists that their production 45 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: requirements are such that that doesn't work and you know, 46 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: we can go, you can put put our head in 47 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: the sand and go, oh, you know, don't come anyway. Well, 48 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: they're what they won't and they're not unfortunately, so we're 49 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: getting some but not all. I think the government's recognized it. 50 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: It's so good for the psyche of New Zealand they 51 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: have these shows come. Plus all the associated businesses profit 52 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: from it too. That's good for everybody. 53 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: So it's a tea below Taylor Swift, but it's it's 54 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: there are acts clearly out there that that are what 55 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: too big and they don't you know, we don't have 56 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: the facilities, or they need a backhand, or I just 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: I honestly don't understand. It's a sub It's a subsidy, 58 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: isn't it. 59 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way it is, but it's the cost 60 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: of getting to New Zealand and putting on that show 61 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. There are lots of reasons why. But 62 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, there are a number of artists that are 63 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 2: coming through. Well. A good example, I think, well the 64 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: ac DC who's playing in Australia. I think in November 65 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: they should have come here and I suspect that's the costing. 66 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: But anyway, there's a whole lot of new artists that 67 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: are coming through now that are playing stadiums, not arenas, 68 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: not Spark Arena, but Edington Park or Western Springs will 69 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: go media type venue. They're starting to come through now 70 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: and we need to make sure that we get them 71 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: to New Zerom. Not only that, we're going to have 72 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: two great markets now. Cristest is coming on very very soon. 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: That's a covered stadium that's going to change the landscape 74 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: as well. So I think it's a smart thing for 75 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: the government to do, all. 76 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: Right, Brent appreciate it. Brent Echols, season campaigner in the 77 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: entertainment space, of course. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 78 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks there'd be from six am weekdays, 79 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.