WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: June 9, 2024

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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<v Speaker 1>from News Talk SEDB.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the

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<v Speaker 2>Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with Pete wolf Camp. That's

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<v Speaker 2>me the Residant Builder, and we are talking all things building, construction, maintenance, renovations, alterations, additions,

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<v Speaker 2>brand new builds. I spend a little bit of time

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<v Speaker 2>via the email this week talking with people about a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of interesting things, some practical stuff around maintenance, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of issues around I guess that involved neighbors and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll dig into that a little bit more in the program.

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<v Speaker 2>So in a little bit of time, I had some

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<v Speaker 2>time actually this week to do some reading. Went through

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<v Speaker 2>as a builder, as an LBP, we're on the mailing

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<v Speaker 2>list for the brand's magazine which comes out, the Build magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>which comes out I think every month. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the part of the reason that it comes out to

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<v Speaker 2>LBPS my self license building practitioners is that there are

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<v Speaker 2>a series of articles near the articles have a quiz

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<v Speaker 2>and when you go to renew your license, as we

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<v Speaker 2>have to do, we have to prove learning every two years,

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<v Speaker 2>so you have to renew it every year. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to prove learning every two years, which I think this

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<v Speaker 2>year I have to do in September sometime. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the ways to do that is to read the magazine

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<v Speaker 2>and answer quizzes and then you have to submit your

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<v Speaker 2>answers online, which is kind of an interesting process to

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<v Speaker 2>go through. Anyway, So as I was reading through that,

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly I'm pulling out these articles. There was one about

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<v Speaker 2>car ports, there was another interesting one about building for

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<v Speaker 2>climate change, because of course it's reflective of government policy

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. So a lot of our building policy

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<v Speaker 2>has shifted and the focus has been on the energy

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<v Speaker 2>efficiency and so on in response to government directives. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's been an interesting we process. And then yesterday I

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<v Speaker 2>came in here to the studio and spend a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of time with Tim Beveridge and the delightful nev Ritti Manu.

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<v Speaker 2>It was lovely to be able to actually offer my

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations to her. You may have heard that the New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand Radio Awards were on Thursday night here in Auckland,

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<v Speaker 2>and news Talk zed B did particularly well. Station of

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<v Speaker 2>the Year. My Costkings, Marcus Lush and Neva Routty Manu.

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<v Speaker 3>Not to mention.

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<v Speaker 2>Others as well. Of course we're all part of the recognition,

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<v Speaker 2>So it was nice to sit next to award winning

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<v Speaker 2>newsreader Neva ritty Manu yesterday on the program, and also

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<v Speaker 2>delightful and for those of you who have listened to

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<v Speaker 2>ZEDB for a while, and particularly back in the day

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<v Speaker 2>when Tim was doing overnights and then over the summer break,

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Dower, who I know outside of radio a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done some work with him and done some work

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<v Speaker 2>on his house way way way back. It was also

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<v Speaker 2>recognized in the awards with a Lifetime Achievement award like

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<v Speaker 2>an Outstanding contribution to radio, which I thought was absolutely fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>So great to see his name. And Tim Dawe would

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<v Speaker 2>be a name that's familiar to many of you who

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<v Speaker 2>have listened to News Talks EDB for a number of years,

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<v Speaker 2>so nice to see him recognize for his contribution. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he started in radio gosh, might have been sometime

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<v Speaker 2>in the late nineteen eighties and has made a significant

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<v Speaker 2>contribution over the years. Now we have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>technical issues.

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<v Speaker 3>That are going on.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a gremlin in the machine right now, so it

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<v Speaker 2>might take us a little while to get things underway,

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<v Speaker 2>but our lines are open and the number two call

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<v Speaker 2>is oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can

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<v Speaker 2>text to nine two nine two, which is ZBZB off

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<v Speaker 2>your mobile phone, and if you'd like to email me,

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<v Speaker 2>as a couple of people have done, then it is

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<v Speaker 2>Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz so p e

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<v Speaker 2>t E at newstalksb dot co dot enz.

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<v Speaker 3>So trust you've had a good week. Was it short week?

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't it? Monday was day off?

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<v Speaker 2>King's birthday and now we're into it with I guess

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks and then Matariki is a friday.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm particularly focused on this because I'm looking through

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<v Speaker 2>my son's sort of school calendar, going okay, so you

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<v Speaker 2>had that day off, then you got another public holiday,

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<v Speaker 2>then you've got the school trip this day.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't seem like.

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<v Speaker 2>There's many days in the classroom sunshine. Anyway, that's another

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<v Speaker 2>issue for those of us who've got kids at high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The lines are open. The

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<v Speaker 2>number is as I just mentioned, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll come back with your calls in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Radio technical issues sorted. Thank you very much. Boss.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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<v Speaker 2>and if you would like to text nine to nine

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<v Speaker 2>two was zbz beef from your mobile phone. Emails up

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<v Speaker 2>and running as well, Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz.

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<v Speaker 2>So during the actually without going into too much detail,

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<v Speaker 2>because I realized it involves a neighbor. So I got

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<v Speaker 2>an email during the week from a person who's going, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I've I've had a discussion with my neighbor who mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that they would like to bring on a container as storage,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, sort of aware that it might happen,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. But I've been away for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while and I've come home to this and they

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<v Speaker 2>sent me a photograph essentially right up alongside the boundary fence,

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<v Speaker 2>like touching the boundary fence is a gee. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a It might even be forty foot but at

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<v Speaker 2>least a twenty foot container, so six meters long container

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<v Speaker 2>right on the boundary and on a sloping site, inevitably

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<v Speaker 2>slightly sloping site. Inevitably that means that one end has

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<v Speaker 2>been lifted to keep the container level, so it stands

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<v Speaker 2>even higher over the boundary fence. And then once you

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<v Speaker 2>open one of the doors on the front of it,

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<v Speaker 2>that adds about one point two one point three meters

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<v Speaker 2>to it. So you can imagine, you know, the better

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<v Speaker 2>part of seven point three meters of steel container smack

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<v Speaker 2>bang on the boundary outside your window looking at the view.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you do about that? So apparently, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the investigation from the correspondent, let's say, was

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<v Speaker 2>that they approach council, and council said, well, look, you

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<v Speaker 2>can have a container on site and it can be

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<v Speaker 2>close to the boundary, but it can only stay there

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<v Speaker 2>for a month. It would seem that this particular neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>has added some doors and is building a deck on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like this thing the intention would be that

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<v Speaker 2>it's staying for a while. And so I had a

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<v Speaker 2>quick look through some council regulations around the location of

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<v Speaker 2>sheds in that and it's something that we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>on this program a number of times around rules around

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<v Speaker 2>buildings that don't necessarily require a building consent. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess something like this a container which seems temporary, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you've put it on poles and you've added a

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<v Speaker 2>deck to it, and you've got a door and you're

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<v Speaker 2>running some power to it. You can't then just say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only temporary, particularly if it stays there for a year,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it is portable. So counsel allow you to

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<v Speaker 2>have something like that there for a month. This has

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<v Speaker 2>been there for more than a month, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't be there. And there's quite clear guidelines if

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<v Speaker 2>you look through Schedule one of the Building Act, which

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<v Speaker 2>talks about, you know, the types of buildings that you

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<v Speaker 2>can could possibly build without necessarily requiring a building consent.

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<v Speaker 2>It also goes into quite specific detail around where they

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<v Speaker 2>can be relate located in relation to the boundary. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>on the boundary, not at all. Right, So we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to follow that one again for the next little while.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, I mean to be blunt. It's pretty inconsiderate,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I would say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number

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<v Speaker 2>to call John A very good morning to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, hello, Pete, I love listening to your show on

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<v Speaker 4>the way to work.

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<v Speaker 3>Good on you're forgetting up on a Sunday and hour

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<v Speaker 3>of work.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I've got an old nineteen twenties house, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'd like to put insulation underneath it. I want

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<v Speaker 4>to do it myself. It's not a long room. But

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<v Speaker 4>what I when I first climbed under it all looked

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<v Speaker 4>quite nice because it looked like I had sort of

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<v Speaker 4>big beams or whatever you call those things running all

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<v Speaker 4>the way up their house. But when I measured them,

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<v Speaker 4>they range sort of I'm going from memory now, they

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<v Speaker 4>range from about three twenty up to about four point fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't the same width right looking at putting in

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<v Speaker 4>some of that polystyrene stuff, and of course that had

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<v Speaker 4>to be cutting it, and I know there's different you

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<v Speaker 4>can get different types of that with different sizes. It

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<v Speaker 4>seemed really deep too. I think it was about one

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<v Speaker 4>fifty two hundred deep standard YEP. And so I was

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<v Speaker 4>down Bunnings the other day and I was looking at

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<v Speaker 4>different types. And you've got like the wooll types, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's there's also stuff that's got a like a lighting

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<v Speaker 4>on it that you can put up. Before I've left,

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<v Speaker 4>I looked at the big sheets of polystyrene because I

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<v Speaker 4>want to try to do it as as easy as

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<v Speaker 4>I can, because i'll be.

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<v Speaker 5>String it on my own.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, and i put a big sheet of provided at fits,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've got a measure that add up of just

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<v Speaker 4>balistarrene and just don't put it in the gap if

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<v Speaker 4>it's all level, just put it straight across from a gap.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's interesting where you're heading with it. So your

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<v Speaker 2>thinking is instead of cutting pieces of insulation and slotting

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<v Speaker 2>them in between the joists, that you would take large

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<v Speaker 2>panels of insulated material and fix them to the underside

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<v Speaker 2>of the joist.

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<v Speaker 6>That's it.

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<v Speaker 4>Just wack them straight up and straight across, provided it's

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<v Speaker 4>level and up, and just not come in with a

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<v Speaker 4>with a nail.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably that's I'm just sort of pondering all of the

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<v Speaker 2>steps involved in doing that and and okay, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a couple of challenges. One is that

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<v Speaker 2>possibly the joists are not going to be particularly level,

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<v Speaker 2>but then again that's not I mean, unless they're massively out,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not really going to make a difference. The other

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<v Speaker 2>thing is how are you going to fix it? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it easy to maneuver a large sheet like that around.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be interesting to know whether the effectiveness of

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<v Speaker 2>the insulation would be either enhanced or diminished by having

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<v Speaker 2>such a large air gap, because effectively you've got that

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<v Speaker 2>space of one hundred and fifty mili.

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<v Speaker 3>It would work if.

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<v Speaker 2>You could make it almost air tight, and that would

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<v Speaker 2>be a real challenge. So essentially, the way that insulation

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<v Speaker 2>works is by trapping air. So what you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>with insulation is the ability for air to move through it.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you've got gaps and cracks or you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you were doing a layer underneath, if you

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<v Speaker 2>had any gaps in there, and you could possibly fill

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<v Speaker 2>those gaps, let's say with expanding foam. So as you

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<v Speaker 2>put one panel up, you do a bead of expanding

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<v Speaker 2>foam along the edge of it, and then you jam

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<v Speaker 2>your next panel into it. But then when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to the perimeter of the house, I suppose you could

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<v Speaker 2>butt into the bearer and do a neat bead of

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<v Speaker 2>seilant of some description or expanding foam through there. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an intriguing notion, and I wouldn't mind actually having

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation with some boffins about it during the week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if you look, it might sound like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a cheaper option. I think it will take you

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<v Speaker 2>a lot lot longer to do that than it would

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<v Speaker 2>if you bought the kits of let's say you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go for expole under floor insulation right that when

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<v Speaker 2>they typically they're made for joys that are either at

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred centers or full fifty centers right, And then

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<v Speaker 2>what you find is that the material is extruded to

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<v Speaker 2>have a certain number of ribs on the edge you

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<v Speaker 2>need to adjust it. You're just running a knife through

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<v Speaker 2>half the thickness of the panel and cutting through the

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<v Speaker 2>like the web that holds that piece on. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to adjust the smaller ones.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I looked at those and they looked interesting. I

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<v Speaker 4>just thought it might be really messy. I wasn't also

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<v Speaker 4>sure just whether I think we were rated at one

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<v Speaker 4>point four or something, and I'm not sure whether they

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<v Speaker 4>were thick enough.

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<v Speaker 2>One point four is about the minimum standard that we require, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So look, you will get if you've got no insulation

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<v Speaker 2>under there at the moment. You will get a significant

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<v Speaker 2>boost in warmth inside the house and preventing heat loss

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<v Speaker 2>if you insulate the underfloor. I can guarantee you it'll

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<v Speaker 2>make a big difference. If you do it really neatly,

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<v Speaker 2>that you fill all of the gaps. And then while

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<v Speaker 2>you're under there on your way out, if you could

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<v Speaker 2>put a vapor barrier down on the ground, that would

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<v Speaker 2>make a significant difference as well.

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<v Speaker 4>When you stay on the ground, so I can lay

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<v Speaker 4>it on the.

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<v Speaker 3>On the on the soil.

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<v Speaker 4>There rather than stabbing it on the Jewish.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the vapor barrier goes on the ground. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in a nineteen twenties house, chances are you've

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<v Speaker 2>got like vertigal boards around the outside, so you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a reasonable amount of air flow. In fact, if the

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<v Speaker 2>air flow is about twenty five percent of the surface area,

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<v Speaker 2>then the effectiveness of the vapor barrier is not as

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<v Speaker 2>great because you're not trapping air in there or moisture

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<v Speaker 2>underneath that because you've got the air flow. But look,

0:13:34.895 --> 0:13:37.575
<v Speaker 2>in general it makes a significant difference. So combine the

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<v Speaker 2>two things together that will will make a big difference.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you know, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't want to do polystyrn, then of course

0:13:45.815 --> 0:13:48.575
<v Speaker 2>you've got that. You've got wall options. You've got autech

0:13:48.735 --> 0:13:51.655
<v Speaker 2>green stuff which is pretty easy to install, comes in

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<v Speaker 2>a long roll, and because it's flexible, you can you

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<v Speaker 2>know if you've got one that's let's say four to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty wide, and another one that's four hundred wide and

0:14:00.895 --> 0:14:04.295
<v Speaker 2>another one that's three seventy, you could use the same

0:14:04.335 --> 0:14:07.095
<v Speaker 2>material because it will just bend in to that space.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which one did you call that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's there's a number of underfloor insulation products. So

0:14:16.735 --> 0:14:20.375
<v Speaker 2>you've probably found the expole, which is the polystyrene. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure which brand of wool insulation you might have

0:14:22.735 --> 0:14:27.295
<v Speaker 2>found there, the one with the paper on it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what that's there for? Going back to my earlier comment

0:14:30.695 --> 0:14:34.255
<v Speaker 2>about insulation works by trapping air, so that one that

0:14:34.415 --> 0:14:39.055
<v Speaker 2>has like a blanket attached to it or a lining

0:14:39.175 --> 0:14:43.615
<v Speaker 2>to it stops air entering the insulated space, right, So

0:14:43.655 --> 0:14:45.815
<v Speaker 2>it's what they call a wind wash. It pushes the

0:14:45.855 --> 0:14:48.415
<v Speaker 2>air away or stops the air entering it. So there's

0:14:48.415 --> 0:14:52.175
<v Speaker 2>some advantage to having that as well. And then there's

0:14:52.535 --> 0:14:56.495
<v Speaker 2>the one hundred percent polyester ones, which is the or

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<v Speaker 2>tex one. So there's a couple of options out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in for quite a job, but it will be

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<v Speaker 2>worth it, and I commend you for doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, talk with you all of us. Take care there,

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<v Speaker 3>bye way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a bit in the old underfloor insulation I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to think about that whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>there would actually be a performance boost, let's say, to

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<v Speaker 2>the insulation if you did a continuous layer of polystyrene underneath,

0:15:25.335 --> 0:15:28.735
<v Speaker 2>it's effectively if you've seen some stuff at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of discussion around warm roofs, right, So

0:15:31.895 --> 0:15:34.095
<v Speaker 2>again it's this whole thing about ensuring that we've got

0:15:34.175 --> 0:15:38.215
<v Speaker 2>continuous insulation around the perimeter of our building. So by

0:15:38.335 --> 0:15:42.455
<v Speaker 2>cutting insulation putting it in between joists or rafters, we're

0:15:42.495 --> 0:15:45.415
<v Speaker 2>creating these thermal bridges, which is where the timber is.

0:15:46.255 --> 0:15:49.815
<v Speaker 2>So a couple of pieces that I've read recently have suggested,

0:15:49.975 --> 0:15:52.455
<v Speaker 2>let's say with roofs, that we do a continuous layer

0:15:52.495 --> 0:15:55.375
<v Speaker 2>of insulation right over the roof, and often that's a

0:15:55.415 --> 0:15:59.295
<v Speaker 2>polystyrene type of product or an EPs product over the

0:15:59.295 --> 0:16:01.735
<v Speaker 2>top of that, and then you fix your roofing material

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<v Speaker 2>down over the top. So if you took that theory

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<v Speaker 2>and you did it to the underfloor, and you may

0:16:06.455 --> 0:16:09.255
<v Speaker 2>it really neat and you ensured that air didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>into the gap between the underside of the flooring and

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<v Speaker 2>where your insulating layer is, and so you had this

0:16:15.255 --> 0:16:19.175
<v Speaker 2>pocket of about one hundred and fifty militer of still

0:16:19.455 --> 0:16:23.095
<v Speaker 2>trapped air with your insulating layer below it would that

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<v Speaker 2>be more effective than having pieces of insulation up against

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<v Speaker 2>the flooring. I might do some reading on that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

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<v Speaker 2>the number to call if you've got a question or

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<v Speaker 2>a comment of a building nature or come back with

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<v Speaker 2>this text after the break Hey, Pete, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think about the new RBNZ So the new Reserve Bank

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<v Speaker 2>of New Zealand income rules will slow down new home building?

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<v Speaker 3>From Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>I will have a think on that during the break

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<v Speaker 2>back in a moment. Just another great text and I

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<v Speaker 2>will come to that in just a moment. Let's do

0:17:01.175 --> 0:17:03.255
<v Speaker 2>this quickly, Pete, do you think that the new Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank of New Zealand income rules will slow down new

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<v Speaker 2>home building? From Josh? So the new rules in a

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<v Speaker 2>nutshell to the best of my ability. And I am

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<v Speaker 2>no economist, although I did have a nice chat with

0:17:13.055 --> 0:17:15.015
<v Speaker 2>an economist at the Radio Awards the other night, which

0:17:15.135 --> 0:17:19.935
<v Speaker 2>was good fun. Is essentially that as a home a

0:17:21.135 --> 0:17:24.615
<v Speaker 2>person wanting to buy your own property, you can borrow

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<v Speaker 2>six times the income, and I presume that what that

0:17:27.215 --> 0:17:29.375
<v Speaker 2>means is household income. So if you're a person on

0:17:29.415 --> 0:17:33.095
<v Speaker 2>your own, it's times your income is where you're lending

0:17:33.135 --> 0:17:38.255
<v Speaker 2>tops out. And if your household, then I presume that

0:17:38.335 --> 0:17:41.815
<v Speaker 2>it's your combined household income and then times six. If

0:17:41.855 --> 0:17:47.095
<v Speaker 2>you're an investor, it's income times seven. Here, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>what it will do is it will limit the crazy

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<v Speaker 2>large mortgages that some people families have ended up having.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Look more to the point, new home building has not

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<v Speaker 2>quite ground to a state still, but it's the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty low right now. I mean, the developers are

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<v Speaker 2>out of the market because the market demand has dropped,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly because of lending rules, most likely simply because interest

0:18:20.615 --> 0:18:22.295
<v Speaker 2>rates are as high as they are and people are

0:18:22.295 --> 0:18:24.655
<v Speaker 2>having some time to adjust to that. Again, you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about interest rates with people, and you know, I know

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<v Speaker 2>my brothers who are a bit older than me. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when they bought their first houses, they were paying nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>percent interest. I know when we had a mortgage, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty odd years ago, we were paying nine percent or

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and I had mates who were paying twelve percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, seven percent or six and a half percent

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<v Speaker 2>feels like a lot when we had mortgages at two

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<v Speaker 2>point nine to five and three. But it's not historically

0:18:53.175 --> 0:18:57.055
<v Speaker 2>terribly high numbers. But I think until demand comes back

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<v Speaker 2>into the market, we won't see much more new home building, unfortunately,

0:19:00.895 --> 0:19:03.015
<v Speaker 2>and then we will go into the typical cycle of

0:19:03.895 --> 0:19:08.295
<v Speaker 2>suddenly the market will recover, rice will rise, and it'll

0:19:08.335 --> 0:19:10.935
<v Speaker 2>be and you know, we've figured out that we'll hang

0:19:10.935 --> 0:19:13.895
<v Speaker 2>on if one hundred and something thousand people arrive in

0:19:13.895 --> 0:19:16.415
<v Speaker 2>the country, they've got somewhere to live, and suddenly we've

0:19:16.455 --> 0:19:18.935
<v Speaker 2>got a housing shortage, and so we go back onto

0:19:18.975 --> 0:19:22.895
<v Speaker 2>that treadmill of boom and bust and other quick text too.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Pete, if warm air rises, how does it go

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<v Speaker 2>down through the floor? Probably poor terminology in my part. Yes,

0:19:30.695 --> 0:19:34.215
<v Speaker 2>you write warm air rises, and as it does, it

0:19:34.335 --> 0:19:38.135
<v Speaker 2>draws cold air in to replace that. So it's a

0:19:38.215 --> 0:19:42.615
<v Speaker 2>convection that happens within a room. And what the underfloor

0:19:42.615 --> 0:19:46.295
<v Speaker 2>insulation does is provide a barrier to that cold air

0:19:46.415 --> 0:19:49.055
<v Speaker 2>coming into the house. So yes, it does rise, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't go down through the floor, although heat will escape

0:19:51.615 --> 0:19:55.295
<v Speaker 2>out through the building all over the place. And we

0:19:55.335 --> 0:19:59.175
<v Speaker 2>know that from enormous amounts of research that have been

0:19:59.175 --> 0:20:03.055
<v Speaker 2>done around heat loss from out through our building envelope,

0:20:03.295 --> 0:20:06.775
<v Speaker 2>and it's somewhere around fifteen to twenty percent can go

0:20:06.895 --> 0:20:10.335
<v Speaker 2>down through the floor. Typically it's about anywhere up to

0:20:10.455 --> 0:20:13.015
<v Speaker 2>forty five percent up through the ceilings, a certain amount

0:20:13.055 --> 0:20:15.295
<v Speaker 2>through the glazing, a certain amount through the walls, et cetera.

0:20:15.415 --> 0:20:19.415
<v Speaker 2>So trapping and stopping that air from leaking out and

0:20:19.535 --> 0:20:21.775
<v Speaker 2>taking the heat with it is important in terms of

0:20:21.855 --> 0:20:25.215
<v Speaker 2>draft proofing, but then providing an insulating level that means

0:20:25.255 --> 0:20:28.255
<v Speaker 2>that as you're right, as heat rises, that more cold

0:20:28.255 --> 0:20:32.215
<v Speaker 2>air isn't drawn in from blow hence underfloor insulation. Good

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<v Speaker 2>morning to you, Craig.

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<v Speaker 7>Good morning. How's it going today?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey good? Thanks made yourself.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't complain too much, really got to Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 7>people get sick of you complain too much and they

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<v Speaker 7>don't call you back.

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<v Speaker 8>Question.

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<v Speaker 7>I've got to the crude. Mine's got a house down

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<v Speaker 7>and take a rah. It's an oldest stylehouse with a

0:20:49.495 --> 0:20:52.095
<v Speaker 7>basement underneath made out from what we can work out

0:20:52.135 --> 0:20:54.655
<v Speaker 7>some in the blocks. Yes, at below ground level yep.

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<v Speaker 7>But then on the back of the basement there's a

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<v Speaker 7>little tunnel that comes out of it made out of

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<v Speaker 7>it looks like eighteen hundred high drainage of sewage quotes right,

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<v Speaker 7>And then that goes about eighteen meters through it into

0:21:07.175 --> 0:21:11.535
<v Speaker 7>the back section and then it goes into another thing

0:21:11.535 --> 0:21:13.415
<v Speaker 7>made out of cinder blocks, which would we've missed it

0:21:13.575 --> 0:21:17.415
<v Speaker 7>as twenty meters by nine meters in size under the

0:21:17.415 --> 0:21:21.855
<v Speaker 7>ground like an old Yeah, we believe it's probably like

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<v Speaker 7>an old at one stage the old people live. They

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<v Speaker 7>may have been used as a bomb shelter back in

0:21:26.495 --> 0:21:27.855
<v Speaker 7>the oldery because there's an older house.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that there was ever a great danger

0:21:31.615 --> 0:21:35.415
<v Speaker 2>of people in Tokaro are being bombed by anybody I know.

0:21:35.495 --> 0:21:41.215
<v Speaker 7>But they grit Temothy back in those days. They may have. Wow,

0:21:42.135 --> 0:21:44.855
<v Speaker 7>it's got a big concrete pipe that comes up for

0:21:44.855 --> 0:21:46.895
<v Speaker 7>a ventilation down the back there, and it's got a

0:21:46.895 --> 0:21:49.095
<v Speaker 7>lot of like those little old stuff things you see

0:21:49.095 --> 0:21:51.295
<v Speaker 7>in buildings with the women just blows the thing around

0:21:51.335 --> 0:21:55.615
<v Speaker 7>a four year into that. But he's got a hip

0:21:55.615 --> 0:21:59.735
<v Speaker 7>pump down in the basement area. And we're wondering whether

0:21:59.935 --> 0:22:01.855
<v Speaker 7>whether there's be an idea to actually get one of those,

0:22:02.015 --> 0:22:03.935
<v Speaker 7>you know, like the fan units you have and like

0:22:03.975 --> 0:22:05.695
<v Speaker 7>the bathroom. She goes up to the ceiling through that

0:22:05.735 --> 0:22:09.455
<v Speaker 7>flexible thing outside, putting one of those in the basement

0:22:09.495 --> 0:22:11.655
<v Speaker 7>you are, and having like solid TVC pipe running down

0:22:11.695 --> 0:22:13.495
<v Speaker 7>their little tunnel piece to the back part to blow

0:22:13.575 --> 0:22:16.255
<v Speaker 7>warm mirror into the other area to try and keep

0:22:16.255 --> 0:22:17.255
<v Speaker 7>the moisture out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So the other area.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow, So yeah, he bought the house. He bought the

0:22:25.575 --> 0:22:27.735
<v Speaker 7>house and moved away some old metal cabinets in the

0:22:27.735 --> 0:22:29.175
<v Speaker 7>corner there's a tunnel, and he goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's really really fascinating. It'd be interesting to ask

0:22:34.615 --> 0:22:37.455
<v Speaker 2>around the neighborhood if anyone I suppose it's going back

0:22:37.495 --> 0:22:39.295
<v Speaker 2>a little bit too far, you know, because I.

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<v Speaker 7>Mean that's that's a nineteen forties I think was here.

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<v Speaker 2>Has a lot of material to excavate out. I mean

0:22:45.975 --> 0:22:47.335
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of effort to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>He would.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I was going to say, all the other houses

0:22:51.855 --> 0:22:53.655
<v Speaker 7>in the area are on sloping sections and those one.

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<v Speaker 3>Flat, so you kind of know where that soil came from.

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<v Speaker 7>The house is like, what was that one flat for it?

0:23:00.535 --> 0:23:02.055
<v Speaker 7>And they didn't realize about it. They move in the

0:23:02.055 --> 0:23:05.575
<v Speaker 7>cabinet out of the way and go, oh wow, Well

0:23:05.655 --> 0:23:07.335
<v Speaker 7>men cav literally.

0:23:08.055 --> 0:23:12.695
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and the moisture that would inevitably be in that

0:23:12.735 --> 0:23:16.655
<v Speaker 2>sort of tunnel that cavern at the back doesn't sort

0:23:16.695 --> 0:23:19.215
<v Speaker 2>of impact on the underfloor of the existing house.

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<v Speaker 7>No, No, it goes out through the back wall. Yeah,

0:23:24.175 --> 0:23:26.535
<v Speaker 7>but we've done it. But digging around the back lawn

0:23:26.535 --> 0:23:28.655
<v Speaker 7>and it seems like the whole thing is covered with

0:23:29.215 --> 0:23:31.935
<v Speaker 7>like the tunnel part gravel on the outside of it,

0:23:31.975 --> 0:23:33.895
<v Speaker 7>on the outside tween they're in the dirt. I mean

0:23:33.895 --> 0:23:35.935
<v Speaker 7>you did when you go through that. There's quite a

0:23:35.975 --> 0:23:39.255
<v Speaker 7>thick like a preboc membrane around it as well, so

0:23:39.935 --> 0:23:41.335
<v Speaker 7>it looks like it's kind of spent a bit of

0:23:41.375 --> 0:23:44.335
<v Speaker 7>time on it. So there's no there's no moisture that

0:23:44.375 --> 0:23:46.175
<v Speaker 7>comes in through the walls. I was worry you probably

0:23:46.175 --> 0:23:48.135
<v Speaker 7>get water leaking through the walls, but there's no like

0:23:49.615 --> 0:23:51.815
<v Speaker 7>salt built up on the on the eastel brooks itself,

0:23:51.855 --> 0:23:54.775
<v Speaker 7>so it doesn't seem to getting any more moisture coming through, right.

0:23:54.855 --> 0:23:56.375
<v Speaker 7>It tends to be a little bit cold.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, how how it was absolutely fascinating. Well yeah,

0:24:03.815 --> 0:24:07.215
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, putting in, yes, putting in vtilation will

0:24:07.215 --> 0:24:12.815
<v Speaker 2>help control moisture, right, so you know, damp ear is

0:24:12.975 --> 0:24:15.855
<v Speaker 2>moisture laden and a little bit of ventilation will help that.

0:24:15.935 --> 0:24:18.015
<v Speaker 2>And I suppose a little bit of heat if they wanted.

0:24:18.255 --> 0:24:20.575
<v Speaker 2>What do they use the space for? Like a I

0:24:20.615 --> 0:24:22.775
<v Speaker 2>mean it would be a very nice wine cellar.

0:24:24.135 --> 0:24:26.455
<v Speaker 7>Nothing at the moment he's looking at possibly turning it

0:24:26.455 --> 0:24:31.495
<v Speaker 7>into a games room, and wow, it's like, well twenty

0:24:31.535 --> 0:24:34.375
<v Speaker 7>meters by talking at the paper now, yeah, it's twenty

0:24:34.375 --> 0:24:37.095
<v Speaker 7>meters wide by about nine nine and a half meters

0:24:37.135 --> 0:24:42.135
<v Speaker 7>deep and the ceiling wow, no concert pads at the

0:24:42.175 --> 0:24:45.335
<v Speaker 7>top is two point four So it's pretty not too

0:24:45.455 --> 0:24:48.815
<v Speaker 7>much feeling, but pretty good. But we just when we

0:24:49.055 --> 0:24:50.935
<v Speaker 7>having them shift in there and mosic cabinet away and

0:24:50.935 --> 0:24:52.615
<v Speaker 7>go what's this for it? And he goes, I don't know,

0:24:52.935 --> 0:24:54.575
<v Speaker 7>so you have become of torches. Walk down it's like

0:24:55.015 --> 0:24:57.375
<v Speaker 7>this goes maybe it's just a little tunnel something or whatever,

0:24:57.415 --> 0:25:00.135
<v Speaker 7>and then it opens up and walked in the big

0:25:00.175 --> 0:25:04.295
<v Speaker 7>ear and like, oh crap, wow, and I guess this

0:25:04.415 --> 0:25:07.295
<v Speaker 7>city you've got. You technically got like a six bedroom

0:25:07.295 --> 0:25:09.215
<v Speaker 7>house now if you put rooms in there, but you

0:25:09.255 --> 0:25:10.175
<v Speaker 7>probably can't because.

0:25:09.975 --> 0:25:14.015
<v Speaker 2>There's no that would never be considered a habitable space.

0:25:14.095 --> 0:25:16.695
<v Speaker 2>But look as like you say, as a workshop or

0:25:16.695 --> 0:25:21.055
<v Speaker 2>a games room or yeah, blimey.

0:25:20.655 --> 0:25:22.815
<v Speaker 3>Anything the zombie apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, one thing I thought about doing was maybe cutting

0:25:25.815 --> 0:25:27.855
<v Speaker 7>hole in the corner of the roof on one side

0:25:27.855 --> 0:25:30.415
<v Speaker 7>of it and put it in maybe external access, just

0:25:30.455 --> 0:25:32.615
<v Speaker 7>in case, you know, for a you can get out

0:25:32.615 --> 0:25:33.775
<v Speaker 7>through there as well. We would be a little bit

0:25:33.775 --> 0:25:35.215
<v Speaker 7>safe safe could probably do.

0:25:35.455 --> 0:25:38.215
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's got to be some fairly significant engineering

0:25:38.295 --> 0:25:42.015
<v Speaker 2>in that roof as well, because an unsupported or their

0:25:42.095 --> 0:25:43.215
<v Speaker 2>posts through the middle of it.

0:25:43.855 --> 0:25:46.255
<v Speaker 7>There's big message rjs that run from one end of

0:25:46.255 --> 0:25:48.535
<v Speaker 7>the building long ways right from one end to the other,

0:25:49.175 --> 0:25:54.015
<v Speaker 7>and I like the sho rsts is probably about I

0:25:54.055 --> 0:25:55.855
<v Speaker 7>think from what we can remember. What I can remember

0:25:55.895 --> 0:26:00.295
<v Speaker 7>about six and a half million flicks steels, so the

0:26:00.375 --> 0:26:04.095
<v Speaker 7>guys and it's all like bolted through with the I

0:26:04.095 --> 0:26:06.375
<v Speaker 7>think the guy must have been an engineer or something

0:26:06.375 --> 0:26:08.855
<v Speaker 7>because it's overcoll for what it is.

0:26:09.735 --> 0:26:12.495
<v Speaker 2>You got to remember that like mung Akino and that

0:26:12.615 --> 0:26:15.455
<v Speaker 2>were often there was all of that work that was

0:26:15.495 --> 0:26:18.695
<v Speaker 2>done on the hydro center right on the tunneling when

0:26:18.695 --> 0:26:21.575
<v Speaker 2>they created the hydro dams and the hydro system back

0:26:21.575 --> 0:26:22.615
<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen sixties.

0:26:22.615 --> 0:26:23.775
<v Speaker 3>Because we used to visit.

0:26:23.695 --> 0:26:26.535
<v Speaker 2>A family friend in mung A Kino back then, and

0:26:26.575 --> 0:26:29.655
<v Speaker 2>he was a bricklayer and he'd been involved in that

0:26:29.735 --> 0:26:32.735
<v Speaker 2>whole area. That was a huge part of the industry

0:26:32.775 --> 0:26:34.775
<v Speaker 2>at that time. And you just wonder whether someone who

0:26:35.215 --> 0:26:37.935
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, worked all day doing tunneling for

0:26:37.975 --> 0:26:40.255
<v Speaker 2>the hydro system comes home and carries on.

0:26:41.255 --> 0:26:45.655
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it brought a few supplies, that's right, and quickly.

0:26:45.415 --> 0:26:47.375
<v Speaker 9>I think it's just going.

0:26:47.295 --> 0:26:50.655
<v Speaker 7>To mention quickly was the guy putting the insulation across

0:26:50.695 --> 0:26:53.015
<v Speaker 7>the joys and all that. The only problem I can

0:26:53.095 --> 0:26:54.615
<v Speaker 7>see down the track is if you have a problem

0:26:54.655 --> 0:26:55.935
<v Speaker 7>with plumbing electrical, you're going.

0:26:55.855 --> 0:26:57.655
<v Speaker 3>To can't see it. Yeah.

0:26:57.775 --> 0:26:59.335
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you need to cut the whole thing out to

0:26:59.375 --> 0:27:01.815
<v Speaker 7>try and find where the pipe runs and then trying

0:27:01.855 --> 0:27:03.855
<v Speaker 7>to seal that back. And again it's just would be easier.

0:27:03.855 --> 0:27:06.255
<v Speaker 7>I would thought they have the insights between the jaw

0:27:06.415 --> 0:27:07.935
<v Speaker 7>and you can just pop them out and then put

0:27:07.935 --> 0:27:08.175
<v Speaker 7>it back.

0:27:08.175 --> 0:27:10.455
<v Speaker 2>And if you're require Yeah, and I tend to agree

0:27:10.495 --> 0:27:14.415
<v Speaker 2>with I think that it sounds like a great I'm sorry,

0:27:14.415 --> 0:27:16.255
<v Speaker 2>I'm just laughing because I've just got to text them

0:27:16.455 --> 0:27:26.655
<v Speaker 2>from someone going that's a breaking bad drug factory.

0:27:23.415 --> 0:27:27.295
<v Speaker 3>There was a comic around into hydroponics.

0:27:27.375 --> 0:27:30.375
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, okay, I've got to go down here in a

0:27:30.415 --> 0:27:30.855
<v Speaker 7>couple of weeks.

0:27:30.895 --> 0:27:34.055
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, you take a photo or something like that, I

0:27:34.255 --> 0:27:36.615
<v Speaker 2>see it to you, that would be awesome, that would

0:27:36.615 --> 0:27:37.015
<v Speaker 2>be awesome.

0:27:37.495 --> 0:27:39.135
<v Speaker 7>We'll see if we can sort of timber put a

0:27:39.135 --> 0:27:48.095
<v Speaker 7>couple of hanging pockwards from the rail house and then

0:27:48.615 --> 0:27:50.695
<v Speaker 7>and then you go through the tunnel and bottom parts.

0:27:51.215 --> 0:27:51.415
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:27:52.175 --> 0:27:53.815
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what the guy was thinking, what he

0:27:53.975 --> 0:27:57.455
<v Speaker 7>was on, but as you say, preparing for this or whatever,

0:27:57.535 --> 0:28:00.135
<v Speaker 7>but yeah, we made probably a good wife.

0:28:00.895 --> 0:28:05.095
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey, fantastic call. Really appreciate it and

0:28:05.095 --> 0:28:06.095
<v Speaker 2>all they touch.

0:28:06.375 --> 0:28:06.695
<v Speaker 3>Take care.

0:28:07.815 --> 0:28:08.015
<v Speaker 9>Oh.

0:28:08.335 --> 0:28:08.615
<v Speaker 3>Look.

0:28:10.055 --> 0:28:12.575
<v Speaker 2>One of the best things about the show for me personally,

0:28:13.055 --> 0:28:14.575
<v Speaker 2>and I know I should include you, but I'm just

0:28:14.615 --> 0:28:16.855
<v Speaker 2>speaking selfishly for a moment is that every now and

0:28:16.855 --> 0:28:19.735
<v Speaker 2>then you have a conversation that you would never ever

0:28:19.895 --> 0:28:23.135
<v Speaker 2>ever have expected to have, And that would be pretty

0:28:23.175 --> 0:28:24.855
<v Speaker 2>high on my list of.

0:28:26.615 --> 0:28:26.895
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:28:27.055 --> 0:28:30.015
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see that coming because even you stay in

0:28:30.015 --> 0:28:32.295
<v Speaker 2>the car, I'm driving around with the sun and he goes, so,

0:28:32.295 --> 0:28:34.015
<v Speaker 2>what's on the show tomorrow? And I said, well, I

0:28:34.055 --> 0:28:36.535
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I mean, I know what I what guessed

0:28:36.575 --> 0:28:37.895
<v Speaker 2>We have in the next hour, and I know that

0:28:38.015 --> 0:28:39.535
<v Speaker 2>Rood's going to be on, but apart from that, I

0:28:39.615 --> 0:28:41.535
<v Speaker 2>have no idea what we're going to be talking about.

0:28:41.535 --> 0:28:43.375
<v Speaker 2>And he said, so, what have you prepared? And I go, well,

0:28:43.775 --> 0:28:45.935
<v Speaker 2>you know, I read stuff all week and I'm engaged,

0:28:45.935 --> 0:28:47.855
<v Speaker 2>and that's sort of thing that I don't. I do

0:28:47.935 --> 0:28:49.735
<v Speaker 2>prepare for the show, but I don't prepare in terms

0:28:49.775 --> 0:28:51.935
<v Speaker 2>of Hey, today we're going to be talking about X,

0:28:52.055 --> 0:28:55.895
<v Speaker 2>Y or Z. And to be fair, I would never

0:28:55.975 --> 0:28:59.095
<v Speaker 2>have expected that we would be talking about an underground

0:28:59.095 --> 0:29:02.255
<v Speaker 2>bunker and a secret passageway at the back of a basement.

0:29:02.455 --> 0:29:02.815
<v Speaker 3>Ink.

0:29:03.495 --> 0:29:06.175
<v Speaker 2>That's fabulous, and yes, thank you for all the text

0:29:06.295 --> 0:29:08.535
<v Speaker 2>messages about what you could do with that space. We'll

0:29:08.535 --> 0:29:10.895
<v Speaker 2>take short break. We'll be back with Steve in just

0:29:10.935 --> 0:29:18.855
<v Speaker 2>a moment. I'm still smiling, to be fair about that

0:29:18.935 --> 0:29:22.335
<v Speaker 2>last conversation. I mean, what a remarkable discovery. So essentially,

0:29:22.415 --> 0:29:25.255
<v Speaker 2>in the basement you pull aside some cabinets, there's a

0:29:25.375 --> 0:29:29.455
<v Speaker 2>tunnel literally one point eight meter diameter pipes that leads

0:29:29.495 --> 0:29:36.255
<v Speaker 2>down to a twenty by six basement underground and look,

0:29:36.455 --> 0:29:39.455
<v Speaker 2>I get the texts about you know, the potential modern

0:29:39.535 --> 0:29:40.855
<v Speaker 2>day uses for that space.

0:29:41.575 --> 0:29:42.735
<v Speaker 3>I suspect that, given that.

0:29:42.695 --> 0:29:46.935
<v Speaker 2>It was done back in the day, those non legal

0:29:47.015 --> 0:29:50.015
<v Speaker 2>activities are probably unlikely to have been the motivation for

0:29:50.095 --> 0:29:53.455
<v Speaker 2>that space. Fascinating though, isn't it. Hey, Steve, good morning

0:29:53.495 --> 0:29:53.775
<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 7>Good Steve Pete. Just wanted to talk about the DTIAR.

0:30:01.695 --> 0:30:04.895
<v Speaker 7>You're talking about the economic environment, Yeah, sure, and the

0:30:04.935 --> 0:30:08.655
<v Speaker 7>effectives having on the building and street. What I'm seeing

0:30:08.735 --> 0:30:13.375
<v Speaker 7>is that it's absolutely pretty dire out there and it's

0:30:13.735 --> 0:30:17.935
<v Speaker 7>almost collapsing. And I'm predicting New Zealand, the New Zealand

0:30:17.935 --> 0:30:20.895
<v Speaker 7>construction industry, I think may lose up to fifteen to

0:30:20.895 --> 0:30:23.535
<v Speaker 7>twenty percent of its workers and a lot of those

0:30:23.535 --> 0:30:27.495
<v Speaker 7>will probably be new unfortunately, newly minted builders who have

0:30:27.535 --> 0:30:29.295
<v Speaker 7>probably gone out on their own because they just don't

0:30:29.295 --> 0:30:32.175
<v Speaker 7>have the networks for support themselves. And it'll be guys

0:30:32.575 --> 0:30:34.855
<v Speaker 7>people who have got into it. And this is another

0:30:34.935 --> 0:30:38.215
<v Speaker 7>bug bear in mind. Remember when just Finder and Labor government,

0:30:38.215 --> 0:30:40.935
<v Speaker 7>we're just pushing trades training like it's the greatest thing

0:30:40.975 --> 0:30:42.775
<v Speaker 7>on earth. It's just going to keep on going. You're

0:30:42.775 --> 0:30:45.215
<v Speaker 7>going to make lots of money. That brought in a

0:30:45.295 --> 0:30:48.495
<v Speaker 7>lot of people who probably shouldn't have been The building industry.

0:30:48.975 --> 0:30:51.815
<v Speaker 7>They didn't really have a natural aptitude or enjoyment for it.

0:30:51.855 --> 0:30:55.095
<v Speaker 7>And you know that annoyed me because they treated the

0:30:55.095 --> 0:30:57.695
<v Speaker 7>building industry like it was just a dumping ground. And

0:30:58.615 --> 0:31:02.055
<v Speaker 7>why should it be any different to say the law industry, Right,

0:31:02.055 --> 0:31:04.175
<v Speaker 7>you're not going to say that everyone can go under law.

0:31:04.855 --> 0:31:08.215
<v Speaker 7>You need a natural have to choose the things, don't you.

0:31:08.815 --> 0:31:11.095
<v Speaker 7>And the building industry was treated like a bit of

0:31:11.495 --> 0:31:15.495
<v Speaker 7>a dumping ground for people, and they don't realize that

0:31:15.855 --> 0:31:18.655
<v Speaker 7>building industry is a bloody half place and unless you

0:31:18.695 --> 0:31:22.655
<v Speaker 7>actually like it out there in the grind.

0:31:22.375 --> 0:31:25.095
<v Speaker 2>Right, And I guess you know you and I and

0:31:25.255 --> 0:31:28.255
<v Speaker 2>with growth respect, we're probably about the same age, and

0:31:28.295 --> 0:31:33.935
<v Speaker 2>so we've probably been through these downturns, right, and we

0:31:34.135 --> 0:31:37.455
<v Speaker 2>kind of know that we enjoy the good times while

0:31:37.455 --> 0:31:41.775
<v Speaker 2>they're out there, but ideally you're squirreling away a bit

0:31:41.775 --> 0:31:45.375
<v Speaker 2>of cash or you're reducing debt because you know that

0:31:45.495 --> 0:31:48.855
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't last, right, and enjoy it while it's there.

0:31:48.935 --> 0:31:51.855
<v Speaker 2>And I guess I have been for the last couple

0:31:51.895 --> 0:31:55.135
<v Speaker 2>of years, but worried, you know, looking around when it

0:31:55.175 --> 0:31:57.735
<v Speaker 2>was boom times and there's lots of new vehicles and

0:31:57.775 --> 0:32:00.375
<v Speaker 2>there's lots of new jet skis, and there's guys buying

0:32:00.455 --> 0:32:02.615
<v Speaker 2>boats and all the rest of it. And I'm going,

0:32:03.215 --> 0:32:05.655
<v Speaker 2>you know what, there's going to come a time when

0:32:05.775 --> 0:32:08.655
<v Speaker 2>you might need that cash just to keep your business going.

0:32:08.775 --> 0:32:11.615
<v Speaker 7>So it is the first thing to say that exactly

0:32:11.655 --> 0:32:14.575
<v Speaker 7>the same thought made all those young guys gone out

0:32:14.575 --> 0:32:17.775
<v Speaker 7>buying these new ranges and all that. And it's like

0:32:17.815 --> 0:32:20.455
<v Speaker 7>because they thought the party would never end, and look

0:32:20.455 --> 0:32:23.535
<v Speaker 7>at the last ten years and said, you know, we

0:32:23.655 --> 0:32:26.135
<v Speaker 7>kicked off after the GFC. It was like that, wasn't it.

0:32:26.175 --> 0:32:29.135
<v Speaker 7>I started, God, are not is this going to keep

0:32:29.215 --> 0:32:32.695
<v Speaker 7>going for forty fifty years? I never went out on

0:32:32.735 --> 0:32:35.775
<v Speaker 7>a spending spree. No, you want to try and reduce

0:32:35.815 --> 0:32:38.575
<v Speaker 7>your mortgage, you get, But do you know what the

0:32:38.655 --> 0:32:42.655
<v Speaker 7>problem is that we get this talk about Okay, you know,

0:32:42.735 --> 0:32:45.895
<v Speaker 7>get yourself a bit of a get it head of

0:32:45.895 --> 0:32:48.255
<v Speaker 7>yourself right reduced there and all that kind of thing.

0:32:48.575 --> 0:32:52.055
<v Speaker 7>But you might even get yourself a decent sort of

0:32:52.095 --> 0:32:54.375
<v Speaker 7>personal reserve, right bit of money in the bank, have

0:32:54.415 --> 0:32:58.535
<v Speaker 7>your mortgage down, but if you've got living expenses, if

0:32:58.575 --> 0:33:01.375
<v Speaker 7>you don't have work within three months, even when you

0:33:01.455 --> 0:33:05.615
<v Speaker 7>have no debt, you can go down very quickly, even

0:33:05.655 --> 0:33:08.215
<v Speaker 7>in those circum stance is just due to the costel living,

0:33:08.295 --> 0:33:10.855
<v Speaker 7>having to support your family with just the day to

0:33:10.935 --> 0:33:13.735
<v Speaker 7>day belts. Now, these guys who are on one point by,

0:33:13.815 --> 0:33:16.775
<v Speaker 7>you know, these couples have got themselves and like over

0:33:16.815 --> 0:33:19.735
<v Speaker 7>a million dollars and they're now gone from three to

0:33:19.815 --> 0:33:22.455
<v Speaker 7>four percent up to seven point five percent with no

0:33:23.815 --> 0:33:28.535
<v Speaker 7>you know reprieve. They're suffering now. And people, look, I'm

0:33:28.575 --> 0:33:31.175
<v Speaker 7>self employed, right the zimon stros can be a builder,

0:33:32.375 --> 0:33:35.775
<v Speaker 7>got restudying and got into architecture. So yeah, I started

0:33:35.855 --> 0:33:37.655
<v Speaker 7>that the same time as you, and I started my

0:33:37.695 --> 0:33:41.255
<v Speaker 7>apprenticeship just after share market crash in eighty seven. And

0:33:41.415 --> 0:33:44.975
<v Speaker 7>this feels like then, not even if it feels worse

0:33:45.015 --> 0:33:48.655
<v Speaker 7>on GESC. And I'm getting multiple people calling me now

0:33:48.735 --> 0:33:51.415
<v Speaker 7>which I've never had, looking for work, and I'm not

0:33:51.455 --> 0:33:54.975
<v Speaker 7>even I don't hire a building here that I'm an

0:33:55.015 --> 0:33:57.015
<v Speaker 7>architectal And maybe I'm just.

0:33:58.015 --> 0:34:00.135
<v Speaker 2>In that sense, I'm not too dissimilar to you where

0:34:00.175 --> 0:34:02.015
<v Speaker 2>I've I've had a couple of takes and a few

0:34:02.055 --> 0:34:04.855
<v Speaker 2>phone calls over the last couple of months from I

0:34:04.895 --> 0:34:07.255
<v Speaker 2>suppose people that I've worked with over the years who

0:34:07.495 --> 0:34:10.935
<v Speaker 2>have never been short of work. Who are suddenly going, hey,

0:34:11.415 --> 0:34:13.815
<v Speaker 2>you know I've got even if they've got no work,

0:34:13.855 --> 0:34:16.855
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly they don't have one job rolling on to another.

0:34:17.455 --> 0:34:19.975
<v Speaker 2>And you know, every day you're sitting at home, you're

0:34:19.975 --> 0:34:24.535
<v Speaker 2>going backwards, right. And I think the other thing that's

0:34:24.575 --> 0:34:28.375
<v Speaker 2>turned around pretty quick is eighteen months ago you just

0:34:28.535 --> 0:34:30.015
<v Speaker 2>if someone rang and said I want you to do

0:34:30.055 --> 0:34:32.655
<v Speaker 2>a job, you just go, here's my rates, and if

0:34:32.695 --> 0:34:35.775
<v Speaker 2>you pay it, I'll start. And so people weren't pricing,

0:34:35.815 --> 0:34:38.855
<v Speaker 2>and I suppose in that sense, to be fair, there

0:34:38.895 --> 0:34:41.895
<v Speaker 2>was a little bit of complacency that crept in. Right, Hey,

0:34:41.935 --> 0:34:43.655
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to price for work. I don't have

0:34:43.695 --> 0:34:45.815
<v Speaker 2>to try and stay on top of my cost that much.

0:34:45.935 --> 0:34:50.335
<v Speaker 2>People will pay me whatever I feel like. And that's

0:34:50.535 --> 0:34:54.695
<v Speaker 2>gone suddenly. So it's fairly competitive. And for those that

0:34:54.775 --> 0:34:57.775
<v Speaker 2>haven't worked really hard at building up their network, you

0:34:57.815 --> 0:35:00.375
<v Speaker 2>know their clients because I think again, most of us

0:35:00.375 --> 0:35:02.775
<v Speaker 2>that have been around for a while, we've ended up

0:35:02.775 --> 0:35:05.455
<v Speaker 2>with those clients that might come to us when things

0:35:05.495 --> 0:35:08.815
<v Speaker 2>are quiet. I've put off doing a job because I

0:35:08.855 --> 0:35:11.495
<v Speaker 2>was waiting for the right time, and now might be

0:35:11.535 --> 0:35:13.495
<v Speaker 2>that right time, and the other I'm going to have

0:35:13.535 --> 0:35:15.335
<v Speaker 2>to move on. But The other comment that I would

0:35:15.375 --> 0:35:18.095
<v Speaker 2>make too talking to a number of people is this

0:35:18.175 --> 0:35:22.135
<v Speaker 2>is arguably exactly the time that the government should be

0:35:22.735 --> 0:35:26.535
<v Speaker 2>pumping the building sector in terms of stuff that they

0:35:26.575 --> 0:35:30.135
<v Speaker 2>need to get done. And I'm involved in schools and

0:35:30.535 --> 0:35:34.415
<v Speaker 2>that decision to abandon a whole lot of school building

0:35:34.455 --> 0:35:38.135
<v Speaker 2>and extension programs. I understand why they did it, because

0:35:38.135 --> 0:35:40.655
<v Speaker 2>I think nobody had a real idea of what the

0:35:40.695 --> 0:35:43.135
<v Speaker 2>costs were. But if you need to build, and you

0:35:43.175 --> 0:35:47.375
<v Speaker 2>need to build public stuff, housing, schools, hospitals, do it

0:35:47.455 --> 0:35:52.935
<v Speaker 2>right now because right now is the opportunity that you

0:35:53.015 --> 0:35:56.895
<v Speaker 2>can control your costs a little bit better, there's much

0:35:56.935 --> 0:35:59.535
<v Speaker 2>more availability. Now is the time to do it, because

0:35:59.575 --> 0:36:02.455
<v Speaker 2>inevitably we'll come out of this, right I think.

0:36:02.655 --> 0:36:06.975
<v Speaker 7>Again, Yeah, environment, and I tell you it's not different.

0:36:07.135 --> 0:36:09.695
<v Speaker 2>That's the slightly worrying thing is that, you know the

0:36:09.775 --> 0:36:10.975
<v Speaker 2>number of people that I've talked to.

0:36:12.375 --> 0:36:14.815
<v Speaker 7>Just quick, quick, quickly, when people were talking about the

0:36:14.855 --> 0:36:17.975
<v Speaker 7>high interest rates my seventies when they were like seventies,

0:36:17.975 --> 0:36:20.655
<v Speaker 7>but they actually got their mortgages at that time and

0:36:20.695 --> 0:36:23.295
<v Speaker 7>then interest rates started coming down, So yeah, there were

0:36:23.375 --> 0:36:26.615
<v Speaker 7>times they were already stress tested at that high interest rate.

0:36:26.695 --> 0:36:26.895
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:36:27.095 --> 0:36:29.055
<v Speaker 7>These young We've got a whole lot of people who

0:36:29.055 --> 0:36:32.055
<v Speaker 7>are stress tested at three percent now and it all

0:36:32.095 --> 0:36:33.295
<v Speaker 7>gone up to seven percent.

0:36:33.455 --> 0:36:35.535
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that anyone who got loans at three

0:36:35.575 --> 0:36:38.255
<v Speaker 2>percent and to be fair onm in that boat, you know,

0:36:38.335 --> 0:36:41.175
<v Speaker 2>I know that the bank behind the scenes were testing

0:36:41.175 --> 0:36:43.295
<v Speaker 2>it at seven seven and a half percent.

0:36:43.055 --> 0:36:44.335
<v Speaker 3>But we're close to that now.

0:36:45.735 --> 0:36:49.655
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I look, it's not pretty out there, and

0:36:49.695 --> 0:36:53.095
<v Speaker 2>it's I was really hoping that we would see some

0:36:53.135 --> 0:36:58.815
<v Speaker 2>green shoots around September, October, November. Now I'm thinking, really,

0:36:58.935 --> 0:37:02.135
<v Speaker 2>you've got to hang until the beginning well into next year,

0:37:02.215 --> 0:37:04.255
<v Speaker 2>maybe quarter two of twenty twenty five.

0:37:05.895 --> 0:37:08.535
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, right, And the government's kind of have to bring

0:37:08.535 --> 0:37:10.055
<v Speaker 7>in people, mate, They're going to have to open up

0:37:10.055 --> 0:37:12.135
<v Speaker 7>that floodgates actually stay the country.

0:37:12.175 --> 0:37:16.095
<v Speaker 2>I think, Well, I don't know whether I mean arguably

0:37:16.135 --> 0:37:18.495
<v Speaker 2>that that's like a full stimulus to the economy.

0:37:18.495 --> 0:37:19.575
<v Speaker 3>I just wonder whether No.

0:37:19.615 --> 0:37:21.695
<v Speaker 7>But we need it, mate. It's the only I think

0:37:21.695 --> 0:37:24.095
<v Speaker 7>it's the only tangible thing that can bring money into

0:37:24.095 --> 0:37:26.735
<v Speaker 7>this country. And it's always saved us. We connect at

0:37:26.735 --> 0:37:29.295
<v Speaker 7>ourselves thinking we're our own little engine and we can

0:37:29.295 --> 0:37:32.655
<v Speaker 7>do it all ourselves with our own This number why

0:37:32.815 --> 0:37:34.655
<v Speaker 7>mentality has proven to be a pelvis you.

0:37:35.055 --> 0:37:37.975
<v Speaker 2>I agree that we probably need you know, I've just

0:37:38.015 --> 0:37:41.375
<v Speaker 2>been in Melbourne, right and Melbourne's five million people just

0:37:41.615 --> 0:37:43.815
<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne, so I can see you know, you can

0:37:43.855 --> 0:37:44.735
<v Speaker 2>see the scale of.

0:37:44.695 --> 0:37:45.615
<v Speaker 3>The economy there.

0:37:46.295 --> 0:37:48.695
<v Speaker 2>So I don't disgree with you about population numbers, whether

0:37:48.775 --> 0:37:50.575
<v Speaker 2>or not we by bringing a whole lot of people

0:37:50.655 --> 0:37:55.095
<v Speaker 2>suddenly we actually just exacerbate the issues, or whether I

0:37:55.135 --> 0:37:58.055
<v Speaker 2>really do firmly believe like right now is the time

0:37:58.095 --> 0:38:00.335
<v Speaker 2>for government to be going. Actually, you know what if

0:38:00.335 --> 0:38:02.695
<v Speaker 2>we need to do some school building, throw away those

0:38:02.695 --> 0:38:04.855
<v Speaker 2>old contracts for sure. But you go to the market

0:38:04.935 --> 0:38:06.175
<v Speaker 2>right now and I think you get.

0:38:06.015 --> 0:38:06.975
<v Speaker 3>Really good rates.

0:38:07.415 --> 0:38:09.455
<v Speaker 2>Good of you to call, really appreciate the comment and

0:38:09.495 --> 0:38:11.815
<v Speaker 2>the insight. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We've

0:38:11.815 --> 0:38:13.055
<v Speaker 2>got new sport and we're the top of the are.

0:38:13.135 --> 0:38:16.455
<v Speaker 2>But before then, Jason, good morning to you, good.

0:38:16.295 --> 0:38:17.575
<v Speaker 6>Morning, good money.

0:38:18.015 --> 0:38:19.055
<v Speaker 10>I'm Jason Allen.

0:38:19.695 --> 0:38:21.055
<v Speaker 11>I'm a driver of God.

0:38:21.775 --> 0:38:22.895
<v Speaker 6>I was with him.

0:38:27.255 --> 0:38:29.695
<v Speaker 2>And then I well, I might be off to mass

0:38:29.735 --> 0:38:31.335
<v Speaker 2>later on today. I'm not sure that we want to

0:38:31.335 --> 0:38:34.495
<v Speaker 2>talk about that right now. I'll tell you what, Daryl,

0:38:34.535 --> 0:38:36.775
<v Speaker 2>if you don't mind, just hold on till after the news,

0:38:36.775 --> 0:38:38.695
<v Speaker 2>because otherwise we'll end up crashing into the news and

0:38:38.735 --> 0:38:42.535
<v Speaker 2>it'll be a hastily wrapped up conversation. A couple of

0:38:42.575 --> 0:38:45.615
<v Speaker 2>text messages, Pete, what's the best product out there to

0:38:45.695 --> 0:38:47.255
<v Speaker 2>keep gutters clear of leaves?

0:38:47.295 --> 0:38:48.655
<v Speaker 3>We've got very high gutters.

0:38:48.695 --> 0:38:52.335
<v Speaker 2>It's extremely difficult to reach them from donner. Look, there's

0:38:52.335 --> 0:38:54.415
<v Speaker 2>a couple of options out there. There are sort of

0:38:54.415 --> 0:38:58.735
<v Speaker 2>the permanent solutions. I a mesh that's fixed down onto

0:38:58.735 --> 0:39:01.575
<v Speaker 2>the roofing itself, whether it's concrete tiles or long run

0:39:01.855 --> 0:39:04.935
<v Speaker 2>and then fixed down onto the gutter and so material

0:39:05.895 --> 0:39:08.855
<v Speaker 2>just shoot right across the top of them. That's out there.

0:39:09.375 --> 0:39:12.055
<v Speaker 2>There are a couple of sort of more DIY solutions,

0:39:12.055 --> 0:39:15.415
<v Speaker 2>so like the gutter foam for example, or the whiskers

0:39:15.455 --> 0:39:17.935
<v Speaker 2>that you can lay in. They require a little bit

0:39:17.935 --> 0:39:20.855
<v Speaker 2>of maintenance. The gutafoam one I have used a little bit,

0:39:20.895 --> 0:39:23.015
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of like it in the sense that

0:39:23.095 --> 0:39:25.855
<v Speaker 2>it provides a flat surface and the leaves don't get

0:39:25.855 --> 0:39:27.895
<v Speaker 2>stuck in it. I've got one place that I look

0:39:27.935 --> 0:39:32.615
<v Speaker 2>after that has the bristles like a bottlebrush type thing

0:39:33.895 --> 0:39:36.295
<v Speaker 2>that sits in there, but leaves will get trapped in it.

0:39:36.335 --> 0:39:38.335
<v Speaker 2>So every now and then, in fact, it's on my

0:39:38.415 --> 0:39:40.815
<v Speaker 2>list of things to do, pull those all out rints

0:39:40.855 --> 0:39:42.895
<v Speaker 2>out the gutters and go back. There are also some

0:39:42.935 --> 0:39:46.055
<v Speaker 2>people who do gutter cleaning using a vacuum, like on

0:39:46.095 --> 0:39:50.775
<v Speaker 2>a periscope type vacuum, so they'll come and suck that out. So, yeah,

0:39:50.855 --> 0:39:52.735
<v Speaker 2>you can do it. So there's a couple of options there.

0:39:53.055 --> 0:39:56.535
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about screw popping and someone previous I had

0:39:56.535 --> 0:39:58.695
<v Speaker 2>previously mentioned a product or a mixture that has good

0:39:58.775 --> 0:40:01.935
<v Speaker 2>results from removing black mold on timber windows.

0:40:01.775 --> 0:40:04.855
<v Speaker 3>Oxalic acid. Oxalic acid.

0:40:04.895 --> 0:40:07.015
<v Speaker 2>You can make it up into a little pain invited

0:40:07.135 --> 0:40:10.855
<v Speaker 2>chemist and apply that and it helps to It's like

0:40:10.895 --> 0:40:13.815
<v Speaker 2>a poultice and it draws out that stain. You can

0:40:13.895 --> 0:40:16.455
<v Speaker 2>also buy I've noticed at some of the hardware stores,

0:40:17.295 --> 0:40:20.855
<v Speaker 2>like a stain remover for timber as well, effectively oxalic acid,

0:40:20.895 --> 0:40:23.735
<v Speaker 2>but already in a package ready to use. It might

0:40:23.775 --> 0:40:26.655
<v Speaker 2>take a few more calls with regard to some of

0:40:26.695 --> 0:40:29.095
<v Speaker 2>those issues around the state of the economy and building,

0:40:29.375 --> 0:40:31.415
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I firmly believe that now would be a

0:40:31.415 --> 0:40:34.375
<v Speaker 2>good time for the government to get into the building game.

0:40:34.815 --> 0:40:38.015
<v Speaker 3>Back after the breaks.

0:41:04.695 --> 0:41:08.575
<v Speaker 12>In the whole, stir the heart.

0:41:10.655 --> 0:41:17.455
<v Speaker 13>We took a heart love, but we're all right. Yeah

0:41:18.655 --> 0:41:23.215
<v Speaker 13>sure cantra to put love do it?

0:41:23.375 --> 0:41:23.655
<v Speaker 14>Bird?

0:41:24.095 --> 0:41:29.535
<v Speaker 12>We this right is so than's ever gone. Move it

0:41:29.615 --> 0:41:30.895
<v Speaker 12>when the bones are.

0:41:30.815 --> 0:41:35.215
<v Speaker 15>Good, rest, don't you're the pink or feel that's goo

0:41:35.375 --> 0:41:36.175
<v Speaker 15>shadow that the.

0:41:36.255 --> 0:41:39.855
<v Speaker 12>Boy, because you will have remains.

0:41:42.015 --> 0:41:47.695
<v Speaker 15>When they crack in the foundation, Debano the stone, Well,

0:41:47.935 --> 0:41:53.255
<v Speaker 15>visit the bound We stayed the hastn't fall in the

0:41:53.415 --> 0:41:55.655
<v Speaker 15>bones and good well.

0:41:55.535 --> 0:41:57.815
<v Speaker 2>A very good morning. Welcome back to the program. It's

0:41:58.015 --> 0:42:00.495
<v Speaker 2>Pete Wolf came the Reason Builder here at News Talk

0:42:00.535 --> 0:42:03.735
<v Speaker 2>c B for the Reason Builder on Sunday and we're

0:42:03.735 --> 0:42:07.735
<v Speaker 2>taking your calls on all things building construction ideas around

0:42:07.775 --> 0:42:12.175
<v Speaker 2>insulation this morning. A fantastic story from Craig. Seriously, I've

0:42:12.215 --> 0:42:17.615
<v Speaker 2>never ever heard of something like the subterranean structure that

0:42:17.735 --> 0:42:20.735
<v Speaker 2>was discovered. It makes place after they bought a house

0:42:21.255 --> 0:42:24.055
<v Speaker 2>in the Central North Island. I'm now going to be

0:42:24.055 --> 0:42:27.335
<v Speaker 2>slightly secretive about the location just in case it generates

0:42:27.335 --> 0:42:31.215
<v Speaker 2>a lot of unwanted interest. So fascinating story. In a basement,

0:42:31.655 --> 0:42:34.175
<v Speaker 2>pull aside some cabinet, there's what looks like a tunnel

0:42:34.215 --> 0:42:39.375
<v Speaker 2>and it really is leading to another entire subterranean space,

0:42:39.455 --> 0:42:43.975
<v Speaker 2>a chamber located in the backyard, vast proportions as well.

0:42:44.055 --> 0:42:47.015
<v Speaker 2>Fascinating story. And then we have kind of straight into

0:42:47.135 --> 0:42:50.815
<v Speaker 2>I guess stuff that's not strictly related to the nuts

0:42:50.815 --> 0:42:54.575
<v Speaker 2>and bolts of building, but the state of the building

0:42:54.615 --> 0:42:57.975
<v Speaker 2>sector is of genuine concern, both to people who are

0:42:58.015 --> 0:43:00.255
<v Speaker 2>working into it and to the economy in general. We're

0:43:00.295 --> 0:43:04.295
<v Speaker 2>about building sector is about fifteen percent of GDP right,

0:43:04.375 --> 0:43:08.455
<v Speaker 2>so if it's having a hard time, it's indicative and

0:43:08.495 --> 0:43:11.255
<v Speaker 2>reflective of the economy having a hard time. I was

0:43:11.295 --> 0:43:17.575
<v Speaker 2>at a pre cut pre nail manufacturer this week picking

0:43:17.655 --> 0:43:19.055
<v Speaker 2>up some materials.

0:43:18.655 --> 0:43:21.415
<v Speaker 3>And had a bit of a chat and I said,

0:43:21.455 --> 0:43:22.015
<v Speaker 3>how are you going?

0:43:22.055 --> 0:43:25.935
<v Speaker 2>He said, well, it's pretty quiet. We're down close to

0:43:26.055 --> 0:43:34.815
<v Speaker 2>fifty percent. Now that's a significant drop in output. And

0:43:35.775 --> 0:43:37.975
<v Speaker 2>went on to chat for a little while, and they've

0:43:38.055 --> 0:43:40.815
<v Speaker 2>let a couple of people go, and I'm sort of going, well,

0:43:41.215 --> 0:43:44.015
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing that people who you know, if they're on

0:43:44.055 --> 0:43:46.655
<v Speaker 2>the floor in the factory and you're letting them go,

0:43:47.255 --> 0:43:48.815
<v Speaker 2>you know what sorts of jobs are they're going to

0:43:48.815 --> 0:43:52.655
<v Speaker 2>be able to find. It's not easy and throughout the

0:43:52.655 --> 0:43:55.775
<v Speaker 2>construction sector. You're hearing this all of the time, so

0:43:56.175 --> 0:43:59.575
<v Speaker 2>anyway we might have some further discussion on that. I

0:43:59.775 --> 0:44:02.455
<v Speaker 2>actually was at the Radio Awards. Brad Olsen was there,

0:44:02.495 --> 0:44:06.655
<v Speaker 2>who's a regular contributor to various parts of zb's show,

0:44:07.575 --> 0:44:10.175
<v Speaker 2>and again we were talking about the construction sector and

0:44:10.215 --> 0:44:14.375
<v Speaker 2>what sort of green shoots he might see. Yeah, it

0:44:14.455 --> 0:44:16.695
<v Speaker 2>might be a while. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

0:44:16.735 --> 0:44:18.895
<v Speaker 2>is the number to call. We're talking all things building

0:44:18.935 --> 0:44:19.975
<v Speaker 2>and Darryl, thanks for waiting.

0:44:19.975 --> 0:44:22.695
<v Speaker 14>Good morning to you, Good morning, Pete, thank you very

0:44:22.775 --> 0:44:26.695
<v Speaker 14>much for having me on pleasure. Just yeah, So I've

0:44:26.695 --> 0:44:30.095
<v Speaker 14>got an older house that's got no roof space. So

0:44:30.255 --> 0:44:32.575
<v Speaker 14>if you stand inside, like say the lounge, dining room,

0:44:32.655 --> 0:44:34.535
<v Speaker 14>kitchen area, which is all open plan, you've got a

0:44:34.575 --> 0:44:36.695
<v Speaker 14>center being with the rafters coming off that you can

0:44:36.735 --> 0:44:39.895
<v Speaker 14>see exposed with a jib up in between the rafters. Yes,

0:44:41.855 --> 0:44:43.615
<v Speaker 14>very hot in summer, very cold in winter.

0:44:43.935 --> 0:44:44.215
<v Speaker 8>Yep.

0:44:44.935 --> 0:44:46.895
<v Speaker 14>So I've been looking at insulating. It Is that a

0:44:46.935 --> 0:44:49.375
<v Speaker 14>matter of just snapping another layer of jib and framing

0:44:49.455 --> 0:44:52.415
<v Speaker 14>underneath the rafters or do I have to look higher

0:44:52.495 --> 0:44:53.935
<v Speaker 14>up and look at the roof itself.

0:44:54.815 --> 0:44:57.175
<v Speaker 2>I guess because if you look at a cross section

0:44:57.295 --> 0:44:59.455
<v Speaker 2>through there, you're right, you're what you see when you're

0:44:59.455 --> 0:45:02.535
<v Speaker 2>standing there looking up is the rafters, and then there'll

0:45:02.575 --> 0:45:05.735
<v Speaker 2>be is it actually jib or is it like a

0:45:05.775 --> 0:45:08.535
<v Speaker 2>sheathing over the top of the rafters, and then if

0:45:08.535 --> 0:45:11.615
<v Speaker 2>you were to look above that, you'd find a perlin. Now,

0:45:11.975 --> 0:45:14.175
<v Speaker 2>depending on when the house was built, you might find

0:45:14.175 --> 0:45:17.055
<v Speaker 2>that those perlins are a four to two, so ninety

0:45:17.175 --> 0:45:20.055
<v Speaker 2>x forty five on edge, So you've got a ninety

0:45:20.095 --> 0:45:23.575
<v Speaker 2>mili space with some insulation in there. So the insulation

0:45:24.135 --> 0:45:25.895
<v Speaker 2>that they might have been able to put in there

0:45:26.015 --> 0:45:31.535
<v Speaker 2>is possibly around R two. New Building Code requirements would

0:45:31.535 --> 0:45:34.055
<v Speaker 2>mean that that should be R six point six, so

0:45:34.215 --> 0:45:36.455
<v Speaker 2>more than three times the amount that you've gotten there,

0:45:36.935 --> 0:45:38.975
<v Speaker 2>or even in the last couple of years, you'd expect

0:45:39.015 --> 0:45:41.215
<v Speaker 2>there to be somewhere around R three point six, so

0:45:41.215 --> 0:45:44.015
<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and fifty millimeters of insulation, which you

0:45:44.095 --> 0:45:45.135
<v Speaker 2>definitely won't have.

0:45:46.295 --> 0:45:47.135
<v Speaker 3>And then.

0:45:48.775 --> 0:45:51.335
<v Speaker 2>On top of that would be your roofing material. So

0:45:52.655 --> 0:45:54.775
<v Speaker 2>you've got two options. One is, if you really like

0:45:54.935 --> 0:45:58.375
<v Speaker 2>the look of the rafters, the exposed rafters, the depth

0:45:58.375 --> 0:46:01.375
<v Speaker 2>of the rafter and the underside of the sarking or

0:46:01.375 --> 0:46:04.575
<v Speaker 2>the ceiling. It's there, then it's take the roof off,

0:46:04.735 --> 0:46:08.135
<v Speaker 2>increase the depth up there, and add more insulation to that.

0:46:09.615 --> 0:46:11.575
<v Speaker 3>If you could tolerate.

0:46:12.055 --> 0:46:14.815
<v Speaker 2>Let's say, let's do you know roughly what size the

0:46:14.895 --> 0:46:18.855
<v Speaker 2>rafters are. Are they one fifty two hundred to fifty Like.

0:46:18.935 --> 0:46:21.815
<v Speaker 14>If I measured them from in the actual house up

0:46:21.815 --> 0:46:26.735
<v Speaker 14>to the job, they're looking at about forty with the

0:46:26.815 --> 0:46:27.375
<v Speaker 14>layer of job.

0:46:27.535 --> 0:46:30.135
<v Speaker 2>Yep, okay, So you know what you could do is

0:46:30.215 --> 0:46:34.775
<v Speaker 2>put seventy five one hundred millimeters of insulation into the

0:46:34.775 --> 0:46:38.015
<v Speaker 2>gaps in between the rafters and then fit new plaster

0:46:38.095 --> 0:46:40.215
<v Speaker 2>board in there, and that would that would give you

0:46:40.295 --> 0:46:43.895
<v Speaker 2>a significant boost because you'd add that number to whatever

0:46:43.935 --> 0:46:48.015
<v Speaker 2>insulation you've got above the sheathing layer, and the two

0:46:48.095 --> 0:46:50.775
<v Speaker 2>combined would give you a reasonable amount of insulation. And

0:46:50.815 --> 0:46:53.135
<v Speaker 2>then what you would end up is with only fifty

0:46:53.135 --> 0:46:56.935
<v Speaker 2>millimeters projection of that rafter, so you'd have some of

0:46:57.015 --> 0:47:01.375
<v Speaker 2>the look of that cathedral ceiling, but not as much.

0:47:01.495 --> 0:47:04.255
<v Speaker 2>So that would be that's relatively straightforward. You could also

0:47:04.375 --> 0:47:06.535
<v Speaker 2>take an option and just go, you know what, I'm

0:47:06.575 --> 0:47:09.295
<v Speaker 2>going to lose that detail in the ceiling and I'm

0:47:09.335 --> 0:47:12.655
<v Speaker 2>going to strap straight underneath the rafters and fill that

0:47:12.855 --> 0:47:16.335
<v Speaker 2>entire space with insulation. That would give you a quite

0:47:16.375 --> 0:47:19.175
<v Speaker 2>significant amount of insulation. It will feel like the rooms

0:47:19.175 --> 0:47:22.335
<v Speaker 2>a bit smaller and that the ceiling has come down,

0:47:22.695 --> 0:47:24.855
<v Speaker 2>but it would definitely give you a lot of insulation.

0:47:26.055 --> 0:47:28.135
<v Speaker 14>Would I have to look at any sort of having

0:47:28.255 --> 0:47:31.655
<v Speaker 14>two layers of jib plus the framing twice for natural

0:47:31.735 --> 0:47:33.935
<v Speaker 14>structure of the building that actually carry all that.

0:47:34.095 --> 0:47:37.615
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, if you've got access to an

0:47:37.655 --> 0:47:40.695
<v Speaker 2>engineer or to a drafts person who or an architect

0:47:40.695 --> 0:47:46.775
<v Speaker 2>who could do some calculations, I think it's probably worth considering.

0:47:47.335 --> 0:47:50.535
<v Speaker 2>In reality, I don't know that adding one layer of

0:47:50.535 --> 0:47:55.015
<v Speaker 2>plaster board and some insulation is going to stress the

0:47:55.535 --> 0:47:57.735
<v Speaker 2>existing timber there to the point where you know you're

0:47:57.735 --> 0:48:00.455
<v Speaker 2>worried about a collapse or something like that. But it's

0:48:00.495 --> 0:48:03.335
<v Speaker 2>worth considering, And certainly it's one of the issues about

0:48:03.375 --> 0:48:05.375
<v Speaker 2>oh well, if I put a new ceiling on, that's

0:48:05.455 --> 0:48:08.335
<v Speaker 2>then I've got two ceilings. And you know, plasterboard still

0:48:08.415 --> 0:48:11.015
<v Speaker 2>has a certain weight per square meter and you'd want

0:48:11.015 --> 0:48:14.295
<v Speaker 2>to calculate that, and insulation itself is relatively lightweight and

0:48:14.335 --> 0:48:17.815
<v Speaker 2>it's evenly distributed, so I think it's unlikely and Again,

0:48:17.855 --> 0:48:20.815
<v Speaker 2>if you did opt for, let's say, putting a whole

0:48:20.855 --> 0:48:24.215
<v Speaker 2>new ceiling underneath your existing choice, and you did do

0:48:24.295 --> 0:48:28.015
<v Speaker 2>some calculation and found that the span the depth of

0:48:28.055 --> 0:48:30.895
<v Speaker 2>the member was not sufficient for the span, you could

0:48:30.935 --> 0:48:34.375
<v Speaker 2>always add another choice next to it and starting to

0:48:34.415 --> 0:48:37.095
<v Speaker 2>become quite a big job. But that would or a

0:48:37.175 --> 0:48:41.175
<v Speaker 2>flitch or something like that. But I think most likely

0:48:41.615 --> 0:48:43.735
<v Speaker 2>it would be okay, and.

0:48:43.695 --> 0:48:46.415
<v Speaker 14>You wouldn't have to worry about creating a cavity of

0:48:46.575 --> 0:48:48.735
<v Speaker 14>no sort of ventilation in that cavity, not.

0:48:48.655 --> 0:48:52.095
<v Speaker 2>In that cavity there. One of the concerns with that

0:48:52.215 --> 0:48:57.135
<v Speaker 2>type of style roof is that often we have insufficient

0:48:57.615 --> 0:49:00.895
<v Speaker 2>ventilation over the top of the insulation underneath the iron.

0:49:01.015 --> 0:49:05.535
<v Speaker 2>So again, if they've taken a ninety x forty five

0:49:05.895 --> 0:49:08.695
<v Speaker 2>and put that on edge as the perlin over the

0:49:08.695 --> 0:49:12.375
<v Speaker 2>top of the sarking layer, ideally that shouldn't be full

0:49:12.415 --> 0:49:15.255
<v Speaker 2>of insulation to the very top, because then you've got

0:49:15.295 --> 0:49:17.975
<v Speaker 2>your roofing underlay over there and there should be an

0:49:17.975 --> 0:49:20.215
<v Speaker 2>insulation get which means of course that they don't have

0:49:20.295 --> 0:49:22.935
<v Speaker 2>ninety mili of insulation up there. It might only be

0:49:23.135 --> 0:49:25.255
<v Speaker 2>it might only be fifty mili of insulation.

0:49:27.015 --> 0:49:28.775
<v Speaker 14>I don't have opened some things in this house, and

0:49:28.815 --> 0:49:31.255
<v Speaker 14>that it does look poorly built. So I'm not sure

0:49:31.495 --> 0:49:33.575
<v Speaker 14>that would be an option. It was built sort of

0:49:33.855 --> 0:49:35.615
<v Speaker 14>late sixties, early seventies.

0:49:35.855 --> 0:49:36.695
<v Speaker 3>See, they may not.

0:49:36.615 --> 0:49:38.335
<v Speaker 14>Take one of those cheaper sort of houses.

0:49:38.495 --> 0:49:41.375
<v Speaker 2>Hey, look there may not be any insulation there at all.

0:49:43.215 --> 0:49:44.855
<v Speaker 2>And look, you know we're earlier on we were talking

0:49:44.895 --> 0:49:47.175
<v Speaker 2>about sort of underfloor insulation and this idea of having

0:49:47.215 --> 0:49:49.935
<v Speaker 2>a continuous layer of insulation. If you you know, like

0:49:50.015 --> 0:49:52.215
<v Speaker 2>if the roof, this is the other thing to consider.

0:49:53.055 --> 0:49:55.895
<v Speaker 2>If the roof is from the original house, it's probably

0:49:55.975 --> 0:50:00.095
<v Speaker 2>coming to the end of its life, right, So if

0:50:00.135 --> 0:50:02.775
<v Speaker 2>you have an assessment, an overall assessment of the building

0:50:02.775 --> 0:50:05.455
<v Speaker 2>condition and you go, actually, I think I'm a couple

0:50:05.495 --> 0:50:08.335
<v Speaker 2>of years away from having to replace the roof as

0:50:08.375 --> 0:50:11.575
<v Speaker 2>part of regular maintenance, that would be an opportunity. If

0:50:11.575 --> 0:50:14.615
<v Speaker 2>you're going to take the roof off, you could then

0:50:14.815 --> 0:50:19.375
<v Speaker 2>add more insulation or a different type of insulation, something

0:50:19.415 --> 0:50:21.855
<v Speaker 2>that's more effective in terms of like an EPs board

0:50:21.935 --> 0:50:26.415
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, like a dense polystyrene board to that,

0:50:26.695 --> 0:50:31.535
<v Speaker 2>and then do the reroof. Now, that's uneconomic if you're

0:50:31.695 --> 0:50:34.775
<v Speaker 2>pulling off a roof, that's still got some life to it,

0:50:35.095 --> 0:50:37.295
<v Speaker 2>but if it's reached the end of its life, then

0:50:37.335 --> 0:50:39.135
<v Speaker 2>you could go, well, actually, I'm going to take the

0:50:39.215 --> 0:50:41.415
<v Speaker 2>roof off. I'm going to add my insulation there. Then

0:50:41.455 --> 0:50:43.535
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to do anything. There's no disruption to

0:50:43.575 --> 0:50:46.415
<v Speaker 2>the inside of the house. I'm adding my insulation, and

0:50:46.495 --> 0:50:48.775
<v Speaker 2>if it's well detailed, you could end up with a

0:50:48.815 --> 0:50:52.615
<v Speaker 2>really continuous layer of insulation, effectively a warm roof, which

0:50:52.615 --> 0:50:56.375
<v Speaker 2>would be very very effective. But you've got to take

0:50:56.415 --> 0:50:58.015
<v Speaker 2>a whole of building approach to it.

0:50:58.975 --> 0:51:01.055
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I mean, the roof doesn't look too bad, so

0:51:01.055 --> 0:51:03.295
<v Speaker 14>I think probably framing and doing something underneath is probably

0:51:03.295 --> 0:51:04.135
<v Speaker 14>the easiest best option.

0:51:04.375 --> 0:51:06.775
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because look, a reroof is going to start

0:51:06.815 --> 0:51:08.735
<v Speaker 2>sort of in the thirty thousand dollar bracket and go

0:51:08.815 --> 0:51:14.855
<v Speaker 2>up from there, whereas you know, doing something on the underside. Yeah,

0:51:16.015 --> 0:51:20.015
<v Speaker 2>I suppose the most cost effective is probably to investigate

0:51:20.095 --> 0:51:24.295
<v Speaker 2>an insulation layer that's like a semi rigid one that

0:51:24.455 --> 0:51:30.455
<v Speaker 2>has reasonable For example, if you look at Kingspan, right, Kingspan, Yeah,

0:51:30.455 --> 0:51:34.895
<v Speaker 2>make a product which is insulation adhered to plasterboard. So

0:51:35.175 --> 0:51:39.135
<v Speaker 2>in your situation, you could think about taking whatever little

0:51:39.175 --> 0:51:44.135
<v Speaker 2>beating is off around that's around the perimeter of the rafters,

0:51:44.935 --> 0:51:48.815
<v Speaker 2>cutting neatly. You know, a plasterboard that's already got insulation

0:51:48.895 --> 0:51:52.575
<v Speaker 2>on it, fixing that up directly, reinstating the bee, doing

0:51:52.655 --> 0:51:55.455
<v Speaker 2>the stopping, and there you've got insulation, and with that

0:51:55.495 --> 0:51:58.055
<v Speaker 2>would be kind of the minimum disruption or the least

0:51:58.095 --> 0:52:04.495
<v Speaker 2>disruptive methodology. Okay, it's an option anyway, Yeah, yeah, I

0:52:04.575 --> 0:52:07.175
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. And as it I've spent a bit of

0:52:07.175 --> 0:52:09.935
<v Speaker 2>time this week just going through sort of brands articles

0:52:09.975 --> 0:52:11.975
<v Speaker 2>that I've had sitting on my desk for a while.

0:52:12.975 --> 0:52:16.575
<v Speaker 2>And if you're interested in this area, have a look

0:52:16.575 --> 0:52:18.695
<v Speaker 2>at the brand's website. There's a sort of a really

0:52:18.695 --> 0:52:23.015
<v Speaker 2>good index of a whole lot of articles around insulation, retrofitting, upgrading,

0:52:23.295 --> 0:52:25.895
<v Speaker 2>and so on. So brand's website's really helpful.

0:52:27.055 --> 0:52:27.815
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0:52:28.175 --> 0:52:31.455
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<v Speaker 2>The problem is the pricing to build a house or

0:54:27.215 --> 0:54:29.775
<v Speaker 2>getting renovations done has got to a level it's outrageous.

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0:54:32.655 --> 0:54:41.615
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<v Speaker 2>it's been an issue in the industry for as long

0:54:45.095 --> 0:54:49.015
<v Speaker 2>as I've been building, and for a long time before me,

0:54:49.055 --> 0:54:52.175
<v Speaker 2>and probably for a long time after me. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess some of that comes down to the discernment.

0:54:54.455 --> 0:54:55.575
<v Speaker 3>Of the client, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember years ago talking with someone and she

0:55:00.255 --> 0:55:05.135
<v Speaker 2>had a small renovation and she got I think it

0:55:05.215 --> 0:55:10.615
<v Speaker 2>was twelve p for the work right, and took the

0:55:10.695 --> 0:55:16.775
<v Speaker 2>cheapest price and then wondered why it didn't go well. So,

0:55:17.135 --> 0:55:19.655
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe part of this is also, Yeah, the

0:55:19.695 --> 0:55:21.775
<v Speaker 2>cowboys are out there, but they're only getting your money

0:55:21.815 --> 0:55:23.935
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0:55:26.935 --> 0:55:31.815
<v Speaker 2>to you, sir, very well, how can I help?

0:55:33.215 --> 0:55:36.535
<v Speaker 5>I just have a question in regards to retaining wall.

0:55:37.335 --> 0:55:39.975
<v Speaker 5>Mine was damaged in Auckland floods last year.

0:55:40.175 --> 0:55:40.415
<v Speaker 14>Yep.

0:55:41.415 --> 0:55:45.495
<v Speaker 5>Now my issue is my property border is a small reserve.

0:55:46.495 --> 0:55:52.015
<v Speaker 5>Now it was constructed the house mid eighties. I can't

0:55:52.015 --> 0:55:55.535
<v Speaker 5>find any record on a property file of retaining wall.

0:55:55.935 --> 0:55:58.655
<v Speaker 5>The counsel has come back. They say they can't find

0:55:58.735 --> 0:56:02.615
<v Speaker 5>any record of them constructing a retaining wall. And it

0:56:02.615 --> 0:56:07.455
<v Speaker 5>appears originally one of us constructed that ground was sort

0:56:07.495 --> 0:56:11.775
<v Speaker 5>of fairly even on both sides. My assessement would be

0:56:12.255 --> 0:56:16.815
<v Speaker 5>it was more put up, you know, to be sufficient

0:56:16.855 --> 0:56:20.255
<v Speaker 5>to do landscaping inside my section and stuff. Now it

0:56:20.295 --> 0:56:24.335
<v Speaker 5>was pushed out a meter and a half or fifteen

0:56:24.935 --> 0:56:28.655
<v Speaker 5>fifteen meters stretch, and in some places on the reserve

0:56:28.655 --> 0:56:31.135
<v Speaker 5>there's a large L shape. Some places it's sort of

0:56:31.615 --> 0:56:35.295
<v Speaker 5>when all the concrete has been exposed. How the original

0:56:35.295 --> 0:56:38.375
<v Speaker 5>post only looks to be maybe I would say one

0:56:38.415 --> 0:56:42.775
<v Speaker 5>point five to one point eight meters, and the geotech

0:56:43.375 --> 0:56:46.975
<v Speaker 5>assessment says I now have to put it and a

0:56:47.015 --> 0:56:54.295
<v Speaker 5>half meter long file into the soil there. It's is

0:56:54.375 --> 0:57:02.575
<v Speaker 5>there anything that where it was originally constructed depends the

0:57:02.615 --> 0:57:04.255
<v Speaker 5>liability for it or.

0:57:05.255 --> 0:57:09.015
<v Speaker 2>Look, and it's probably not news that you would want

0:57:09.055 --> 0:57:13.935
<v Speaker 2>to hear. But my approach would be if the retaining

0:57:13.975 --> 0:57:17.055
<v Speaker 2>war is on your property, So if you if the

0:57:17.135 --> 0:57:21.135
<v Speaker 2>boundary is determined right, either by a surveyor coming to

0:57:21.175 --> 0:57:25.975
<v Speaker 2>do a boundary survey, or whether there are existing boundary

0:57:26.015 --> 0:57:30.135
<v Speaker 2>markers in place, if the wall is on your side

0:57:30.175 --> 0:57:34.295
<v Speaker 2>of the boundary, then it's your problem to deal with.

0:57:35.415 --> 0:57:38.735
<v Speaker 2>And so because it would have been added for the

0:57:38.735 --> 0:57:41.295
<v Speaker 2>benefit of your property, the fact that it happens to

0:57:42.815 --> 0:57:45.095
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor happens to be the counsel in terms of

0:57:45.175 --> 0:57:49.655
<v Speaker 2>a public reserve kind of really doesn't come into it.

0:57:50.575 --> 0:57:53.935
<v Speaker 2>So it would have been in my experience, it would

0:57:53.935 --> 0:57:56.975
<v Speaker 2>have been unusual for it to have been added for

0:57:57.055 --> 0:58:01.895
<v Speaker 2>the benefit of the council and then become their responsibility.

0:58:02.455 --> 0:58:05.695
<v Speaker 2>So I think if you if you know where the

0:58:05.695 --> 0:58:08.095
<v Speaker 2>boundary is and the walls on your side, it's going

0:58:08.135 --> 0:58:12.735
<v Speaker 2>to become your responsibility. Now you could try. And interestingly enough,

0:58:12.735 --> 0:58:15.015
<v Speaker 2>when we had Hamish Firth, a town planner and with

0:58:15.095 --> 0:58:17.455
<v Speaker 2>us last week in the studio, there was a similar

0:58:17.535 --> 0:58:21.895
<v Speaker 2>question where someone realized that a lot of the water

0:58:21.935 --> 0:58:24.895
<v Speaker 2>that flowed onto their property during those flood events last

0:58:24.935 --> 0:58:28.175
<v Speaker 2>year came from a council reserve. So does council have

0:58:28.215 --> 0:58:33.575
<v Speaker 2>a responsibility to maintain that area to ensure that it

0:58:33.615 --> 0:58:38.695
<v Speaker 2>doesn't become a nuisance to you? Possibly they do. With

0:58:38.935 --> 0:58:40.975
<v Speaker 2>all of the things that council have got to deal

0:58:41.015 --> 0:58:44.015
<v Speaker 2>with in terms of flooding, your chances of getting anything

0:58:44.055 --> 0:58:48.695
<v Speaker 2>from them is I think just about zero right now realistically.

0:58:49.695 --> 0:58:51.695
<v Speaker 2>And then I guess if you're going to build a

0:58:51.735 --> 0:58:55.655
<v Speaker 2>retaining wall on the boundary, that triggers a requirement for

0:58:55.895 --> 0:59:02.575
<v Speaker 2>specific design because it's on the boundary, and that would

0:59:02.655 --> 0:59:04.615
<v Speaker 2>mean that then you've got to listen to what the

0:59:04.655 --> 0:59:08.655
<v Speaker 2>engineer is telling you, and engineers are risk averse. So, yeah,

0:59:08.775 --> 0:59:10.775
<v Speaker 2>your piles that used to be a meter and a

0:59:10.775 --> 0:59:13.495
<v Speaker 2>half long have now become six meter ones. And I

0:59:13.575 --> 0:59:16.575
<v Speaker 2>know the cost involved in doing something like that. You know,

0:59:16.655 --> 0:59:20.415
<v Speaker 2>potentially you're going to be spending tens if not maybe

0:59:20.495 --> 0:59:23.295
<v Speaker 2>even over one hundred thousand dollars rebuilding a retaining wall

0:59:23.335 --> 0:59:23.655
<v Speaker 2>like that.

0:59:25.335 --> 0:59:31.175
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's that's why I'm wondering. So that all depends

0:59:31.215 --> 0:59:35.255
<v Speaker 5>on where it was originally constructed or is it where

0:59:35.295 --> 0:59:36.135
<v Speaker 5>it's sitting now?

0:59:36.855 --> 0:59:40.015
<v Speaker 2>No, I well, let's say it's now further into your

0:59:40.015 --> 0:59:42.575
<v Speaker 2>property because it's collapsed. But if the base of the

0:59:42.615 --> 0:59:47.455
<v Speaker 2>original retaining wall is clearly within your property, then it

0:59:47.535 --> 0:59:50.855
<v Speaker 2>is definitely for your benefit, and I think unfortunate. Well,

0:59:51.255 --> 0:59:53.095
<v Speaker 2>it means that you're responsible for it.

0:59:54.055 --> 0:59:57.055
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, No, the other way that the slipper is on

0:59:57.175 --> 1:00:01.615
<v Speaker 5>the slip and the and the lots of soilers on

1:00:01.655 --> 1:00:05.215
<v Speaker 5>the reserve side pushed out into the into the reserve.

1:00:05.455 --> 1:00:05.695
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1:00:06.295 --> 1:00:11.135
<v Speaker 2>If the wall though, is on your side of the

1:00:11.135 --> 1:00:15.415
<v Speaker 2>boundary and it's collapsed and it's gone into the council reserve,

1:00:16.095 --> 1:00:19.375
<v Speaker 2>then you're still responsible for it, because again I would

1:00:19.375 --> 1:00:23.615
<v Speaker 2>have suspected that the wall was built to then raise

1:00:23.695 --> 1:00:26.695
<v Speaker 2>the level of your property to give you a level area,

1:00:27.175 --> 1:00:30.815
<v Speaker 2>rather than having been built to allow council to have

1:00:31.735 --> 1:00:35.015
<v Speaker 2>excavated down or something like that. So typically when we

1:00:35.055 --> 1:00:38.655
<v Speaker 2>build a retaining wall, we do it for the purpose

1:00:38.695 --> 1:00:40.895
<v Speaker 2>either of the high side or the low side. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's either we put one on the wall on

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<v Speaker 2>the boundary because we need to excavate down to get

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<v Speaker 2>our slab down so we can get a house at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain height, or we put one on the boundary

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<v Speaker 2>because we want to raise the level to create some

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<v Speaker 2>level area. And I suspect that that wall has been

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<v Speaker 2>built on your property for your benefit and so again

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be responsible for it.

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<v Speaker 5>Are they liable stabilized reserve because obviously that would make

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<v Speaker 5>certain more last much longer, will make it much cheaper

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<v Speaker 5>and less invasive on the scope of work.

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<v Speaker 2>As in a change the contour of the reserve to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of buttress your property.

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<v Speaker 5>Ah, there's to stabilize the soil because the slip is

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<v Speaker 5>four when it happened, it's migrated like the met sort

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<v Speaker 5>of a ul slip. Somebody I was told by someone,

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<v Speaker 5>because it's not developed land by the council, they're not

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<v Speaker 5>liable to keep it in any condition or do any

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<v Speaker 5>remediation because it's not developed lands.

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<v Speaker 4>That correct.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably correct. And I just know that

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, for everything that they've got to deal with,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get much out of them, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can. You could spend a long time bashing your

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<v Speaker 2>head against the wall trying to get something out of

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<v Speaker 2>council and you probably won't. So I just think you

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<v Speaker 2>won't get just yeah. I think ultimately it comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to you're going to have to rebuild the wall, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to cost you, and it's probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>cost you a significant amount unfortunately, could you? But can

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<v Speaker 2>you claim this on insurance because you know, retaining walls

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<v Speaker 2>typically part of your insurance policy.

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<v Speaker 5>I I you said, well, obviously they do cost of

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<v Speaker 5>repairs or lots of land, whichever is lower. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I've got very lower amount, and that's about fifty short

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<v Speaker 5>of what the cost of the wall would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I you know, I think in this instance,

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<v Speaker 2>any contribution you can get, either through insurance or equ see,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd grab it with both hands and then it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to take some of the pain out of your wallet.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's that's what I was hoping, if I can

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<v Speaker 5>get some some the council and saying it's a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit of that as well. But if you say being

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<v Speaker 5>against the.

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<v Speaker 2>Wind, yeah, and if you had advice obviously from either

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<v Speaker 2>an engineer or or someone involved in geotque or civil.

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<v Speaker 5>Works, uh the sea see geotech. Hey, they did a

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<v Speaker 5>statesment on it. They came out with a didn't meet

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<v Speaker 5>a long while, yeah, and oil et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>M be interesting to sort of get your own opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you may have to pay for it. I

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<v Speaker 2>presume around you're in auckland somewhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, that's great, and as happy as I am in

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<v Speaker 5>the whole street or area, it's only out property was affected.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you leave your number because I might get

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<v Speaker 2>someone that I know to give you a call. Alright, alright,

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<v Speaker 2>leave you number, good luck, all right, all the best

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<v Speaker 2>to take care, all right, all the best. Ye bye

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<v Speaker 2>by then, and along the same lines a text that's

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<v Speaker 2>just come in.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>My question is I have a property which has water

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<v Speaker 2>coming down from a neighboring property onto my property, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a torrent at times like a river. Does the

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor have to have a drainage system to divert the

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<v Speaker 2>water away from my property? Is a legal requirement for

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<v Speaker 2>them to have it? Thank you from Dean. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>we've discussed this a couple of times on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>So the issue is, and it's quite fascinating. If it's

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<v Speaker 2>undisturbed land, If it's natural land, so maybe a reserve

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<v Speaker 2>or we're talking farming areas, rural areas and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>There isn't because that's just the natural flow of the land.

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<v Speaker 2>But as soon as there's an intervention i e. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>builds something, the requirement is that all of us are

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<v Speaker 2>as homeowners. If we're homeowners, we are responsible for all

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<v Speaker 2>of the stormwater discharge from our property. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have downpipes right, or let's say you've

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<v Speaker 2>got downpipes but they're not connected to a stormwater system

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<v Speaker 2>and that water floods onto the neighbor when the ground

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<v Speaker 2>is saturated, then that's something that a neighbour can come

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<v Speaker 2>to you and ask you to address, and hopefully council

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<v Speaker 2>would enforce it as well. If, for example, you've done

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<v Speaker 2>a driveway, and I've seen this with developments recently where

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<v Speaker 2>a new driveway to access a number of units has

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<v Speaker 2>been put in, but without the appropriate curbing or a

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<v Speaker 2>swire not really a swale, but a channel, and then

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere to collect that water, and the water the driveway

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<v Speaker 2>is just tilted and pushed to the neighbor, so every

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<v Speaker 2>time it rains, all of that water that's collected on

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<v Speaker 2>the driveway sheets into the neighboring property. Those sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's the nature of your question, Dean, yes, you

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to go back to your neighbor, and

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<v Speaker 2>then if there's a reluctance from your neighbor to get involved. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go to counsel and ask them to go

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<v Speaker 2>and assess the property, determine what the remediation is, and

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<v Speaker 2>then get the neighbor to do exactly that.

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<v Speaker 3>So good luck. It's again not.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy to work through this process, but it's yeah, it's doable,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, it is quite clear in legislation that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to control your own discharge, your

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<v Speaker 2>own stormwater discharge from your property when there's been let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>an intervention iea house driveway, et.

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<v Speaker 3>Cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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<v Speaker 2>call if you've got a question of a building nature.

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<v Speaker 2>We will take your calls right now. I eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>eighty ten eighty. So a made of mine who's very

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<v Speaker 2>experienced with retaining walls and so on, text me during

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<v Speaker 2>that conversation with Ran that we just had a moment

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<v Speaker 2>ago and said, look, I'm quite happy to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and have a look.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's got vast experience.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be really interesting to see what his thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>are on that particular issue.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an interesting one.

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<v Speaker 2>I happened there was a couple of techs come through,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because we've sort of straight off the path,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, and we're talking about building and the economy

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<v Speaker 2>in general and what it's like for contractors out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and to be fair, for a number of people, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty grim. And I think for I guess, and the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation we had with Steve earlier on is that for people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, younger people that have come into the construction

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<v Speaker 2>sector or come into being their own business owner, this

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<v Speaker 2>downturn might be the first one that they've experienced. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you've got a few gray hairs like I do

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<v Speaker 2>and Steve does with the graves of respect, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been through this and we kind of know that

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<v Speaker 2>you just have to hold on if you possibly can,

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<v Speaker 2>because inevitably it will get better. We have these highs

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<v Speaker 2>and lows, we have these peaks and troughs in the

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<v Speaker 2>cycle of the economy and within the building sector undoubtedly,

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean I still remember the interview we did

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<v Speaker 2>with John Tukey from the aut He's there leading guy

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of construction. He's got a real interest, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>in the sort of the economic side of the construction sector.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the end of it, I wrapped it up

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<v Speaker 2>by going, so, is there a way of getting out

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<v Speaker 2>of this boom and bus cycle? And he just went, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this is how the economy works. This is how in

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<v Speaker 2>a sense business works. And then we got onto this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation around cowboys in the industry and often people undercutting

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<v Speaker 2>or offering up cheap prices and then trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>the work. You know, lots of variations, lots of extras, et.

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<v Speaker 3>Cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I mentioned the story that I had heard

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<v Speaker 2>of someone who had, I think, invited twelve different contractors,

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<v Speaker 2>building contractors to price a let's say it was a

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<v Speaker 2>small extension alteration job, and then took the lowest price

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<v Speaker 2>and the work was terrible and the whole project went

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<v Speaker 2>off the rails right, and you kind of go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>hang on, in that sense, there, it was only going

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<v Speaker 2>to have one outcome, wasn't it. If you get twelve people,

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been seven, whatever it is. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you get multiple quotes and you grab the lowest one

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<v Speaker 2>and it's considerably lower and the work is exactly the same,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that you're going to be for a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And then someone has texed through based on your friends.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a friend, it was just someone I knew

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<v Speaker 2>or heard of. Actually, that's eleven builders whose time was

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<v Speaker 2>wasted doing quotes. They have to recoup that money somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>It just gets added to the jobs that they do get.

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<v Speaker 2>People need to start talking with friends of and engaged

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<v Speaker 2>tradespeople and employ those with a good reputation for value

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<v Speaker 2>and quality. Get a maximum of three quotes so that

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<v Speaker 2>you minimize how much your tradesman's time you've wasted, and

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<v Speaker 2>be upfront with your expectations. If you want the cheapest builder,

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<v Speaker 2>tell them that, and the two thirds of trades will

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<v Speaker 2>outright tell you that they're not the cheapest. I say

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<v Speaker 2>it up front before I go to site that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not the cheapest, and I actually charge to quote and

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<v Speaker 2>take that amount off the job price. If I get it,

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<v Speaker 2>I do about one quarter of the quotes that I

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<v Speaker 2>used to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how fascinating. See.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair, I've never charged for quotes, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, at least you're being upfront right in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of saying, look, I'm going to charge for the quote

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<v Speaker 2>if I don't get the job. I wonder how many

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<v Speaker 2>people at that point go okay, Well then I'm not interested.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a few more texts on that.

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<v Speaker 3>What else was there?

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<v Speaker 2>I need to This is a random text as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to replace old corrugated roofing polystyrene which has

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<v Speaker 2>basically gone rotten. I don't think it'll be polystyringe. It

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<v Speaker 2>might be like the clear light roof so like a

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<v Speaker 2>polyethylene type of not polyethylene, yeah, the clear lighte roofing.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I use a skill saw to cut the new

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to fit it? No, don't use a skill saw.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll find and I did one just recently, that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of clear light sun tough type roofing. You just cut

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<v Speaker 2>it with the same roofing shears that you use to

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<v Speaker 2>cut regular corrugated iron by hand. I certainly wouldn't touch

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<v Speaker 2>it with a power tool in this instance, and I

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<v Speaker 2>love power tools, but no, don't. Just good old set

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<v Speaker 2>of nips will do it. Your news talk CP, We've

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<v Speaker 2>got a spear line. The number is eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty ten eighty. Today we're talking with Daniel Davies from

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<v Speaker 2>Davies Homes based in tail Mutu, with a reputation for excellence.

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<v Speaker 2>Each home is a testament to thoughtful design and superior construction.

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<v Speaker 2>Incorporating some innovative materials like J and L's Jframe and Triboard,

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<v Speaker 2>Davies Homes create spaces that stand the test of time.

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<v Speaker 2>So Daniel from Davies Homes, Hey, let's start off with

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<v Speaker 2>the framing. Tell us about jframan, why do you choose that?

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<v Speaker 11>The reason why I've used jframe over the last us

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<v Speaker 11>see six eight years is a lot to deal with

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<v Speaker 11>a stability, straightness and engaging. It's down the yko here.

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<v Speaker 11>We're live in quite a damp environment and what happens

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<v Speaker 11>if the timber isn't consistent and so forth, It moves,

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<v Speaker 11>which causes problems with screw pops and possible cracks and

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<v Speaker 11>walls and so forth. So that's why I've chose to

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<v Speaker 11>use it.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of switching, let's say from traditional stick

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<v Speaker 2>framing to jframe, no issue with counsel.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh no, all that was easy years, that's the answer

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<v Speaker 11>we like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, now let's talk about triboard as well. So lots

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<v Speaker 2>of uses. What are you using triboard for.

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<v Speaker 11>We're mainly using the TG penalley, which is such a

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<v Speaker 11>cool product use because we do a little lot of

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<v Speaker 11>pole sheds with our houses when they builth people right,

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<v Speaker 11>so it's easy to fit, it doesn't need all the

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<v Speaker 11>solid timber behind it, and it gives us pretty epic

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<v Speaker 11>finiship end of it too, at a cost effective price.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you've still got that impact resistance, say, because

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<v Speaker 2>we're still talking about fifteen mil of triboard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it's it's pretty durable.

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<v Speaker 11>Year first, I used it as my own project, and

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<v Speaker 11>I've used it on heaps houses since in a shed

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<v Speaker 11>that's perfect, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I've used it on my projects as well. It is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Now, what's on the horizon for Davies Homes.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, we have only really mainly focused on the Greater

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<v Speaker 11>wipe A area and mines all areas. But later on

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<v Speaker 11>this year we'll be opening a show home and what

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<v Speaker 11>order which is more north we thought it Hilton and

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<v Speaker 11>then from there next year we'll be open to sha

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<v Speaker 11>Ho North Hamilton as well, because we've been expanding to

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<v Speaker 11>South of Auckland and so forth under the same brand

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<v Speaker 11>and Understaye company.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic Hey now and lastly too, and I know people

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<v Speaker 2>are often a little bit shy about taking recognition, but

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations on the Master Builders Waycuto Regional Awards in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Just tell us about the house that was entered there.

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<v Speaker 11>You entered two there, so we ended one a client's

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<v Speaker 11>build in Cambridge. There was a mixture of recycled brick

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<v Speaker 11>and vertical planting that one head try board on the

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<v Speaker 11>boat sheet yep. And then we entered the Shahum we

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<v Speaker 11>built as well, which was quite a cool shod swimming

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<v Speaker 11>balls and a lot of solid timbers inside the house

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<v Speaker 11>with an exposed American oak. So yeah, that's two really

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<v Speaker 11>studying homes, quite pleasant results and.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sounding like they're deserving of the Wakato Regional Awards,

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<v Speaker 2>So congratulations on that. Hey, folks, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>know more about the work that Davies Homes do, check

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<v Speaker 2>out Davies Homes dot co dot nz. Also, Janel's Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>page has some examples of the houses built by Daviess

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<v Speaker 2>Home and some of the examples of using that triboard

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<v Speaker 2>TGV for interior aligning. So learn more about j frame

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<v Speaker 2>and tryboard at JNL dot co dot enz and more

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<v Speaker 2>about the good people at Davies Homes at Davies Homes

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<v Speaker 2>dot co dot nz your news talks, he'd be let's

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<v Speaker 2>get into the calls. Actually some great texts coming through

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and some fantastic opinion around, you know, like this,

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose the state of the building sector and including

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of fairly blunt quotes going, hey, Pete, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>okay to hear that builders are missing out on quotes

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<v Speaker 2>about time that prices and margins came down. You make

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<v Speaker 2>here to offer up an opinion, Rick A very good

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<v Speaker 2>morning to you.

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<v Speaker 16>Morning, Creete. You're the man to help me.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sure see how we go hand old school.

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<v Speaker 16>I've been trying to find a cast iron, preferably gully

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<v Speaker 16>trapp or great for to replace one that's missing my property,

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<v Speaker 16>and I hope I'll just track one down or even

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<v Speaker 16>like a new one. The plastic ones, I know, good

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<v Speaker 16>do we? Where do you get those from?

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about like you can get like a pre

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<v Speaker 2>cast horseshoe almost and concrete that's about one hundred miles high,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about three hundred mill across, and then there's a

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<v Speaker 2>cast iron just the girl that goes, and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>the girl that goes on top of those. I would

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<v Speaker 2>head to somewhere like Humes m go to the go

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<v Speaker 2>to the commercial ones. So go to Humes, go to

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<v Speaker 2>Mico Plumbing might have them. I probably go to Humors actually.

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<v Speaker 7>Been there, done that.

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<v Speaker 16>They didn't they didn't have the one.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I'm sure they maybe they don't do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good point, to be fair.

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<v Speaker 16>Mm hmm. Yeah, I've had to get some paid cast

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<v Speaker 16>ironans have been able to get them. Yeah, we we

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<v Speaker 16>we uh, well they don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Luckily, stay listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure someone will text a drain or the civil

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<v Speaker 2>works guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have thought if you go to Humes or

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, the larger Mico's, or to the houses.

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<v Speaker 14>The next game.

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<v Speaker 16>That means used to have them sort of and plays

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<v Speaker 16>megas used to his. But some of the ones they make,

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<v Speaker 16>of course, are uselessly early, many more plastic. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 16>that's all right, Okay, I'll I'll keep looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would have thought Humes, but or any of

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<v Speaker 2>the large commercial places.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, good luck with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And to be fair, I'm going to do a little

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<v Speaker 2>Google search while we're chatting away to people as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Hillary, Hello there, Hello, Hello, I wonder if you can

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<v Speaker 4>help me.

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<v Speaker 10>I have just completed, or my builder has just completed

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<v Speaker 10>a build for me, a small build and we've had

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<v Speaker 10>the final inspection, and I am going in now to

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<v Speaker 10>the council website to try and obtain CCC.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, So when I go in through.

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<v Speaker 10>My IR and I get in there and I've got

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<v Speaker 10>my file in, when I put in my consent number,

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<v Speaker 10>I cannot get all the information that the builder has

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<v Speaker 10>on his my IR about all the inspections and everything

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<v Speaker 10>that have been done. Right that normal? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 10>can probably ring up the council and find out if

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<v Speaker 10>I'm actually doing this correctly. But I would have thought

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<v Speaker 10>once I put in the consent number that everything relating

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<v Speaker 10>to that consent number would be able to drop in

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<v Speaker 10>as you go through the website, which it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you're saying, but to be fear, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't need that information, and that information that's already on

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<v Speaker 2>the council records with regard to the inspections that have

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<v Speaker 2>been undertaken is not the information that you need to

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<v Speaker 2>provide for your CCC application.

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<v Speaker 10>So I've got all the I've got all the certificates

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<v Speaker 10>and all the things like that, and they're all.

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<v Speaker 2>In PDF form, so they're all you can upload everything. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if do you have the booklet that the building consent

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<v Speaker 2>came with, so there's the plans and then there's the

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<v Speaker 2>council and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything at the back of that will have what's.

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<v Speaker 2>Required for your CCC, so record of works from the builder,

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<v Speaker 2>a COC from the electrician, a PS three from the plumber,

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<v Speaker 2>potentially as built plans, warranty statements for systems, and all

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. So if you read through the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the booklet, that will give you a guideline.

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<v Speaker 3>As to what you need.

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<v Speaker 10>That's very helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair, My approach is because back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>when you used to have a paper application, it gave

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<v Speaker 2>you a checklist, right. The online application doesn't. And I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say I've found that frustrating, right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>would have thought it was much more helpful of counsel

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<v Speaker 2>when you went to apply online, which is the only

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<v Speaker 2>way to apply now, had like a checklist, but they don't,

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<v Speaker 2>so they just what it says typically is provide all

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<v Speaker 2>relevant information for the CCC application.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you go, well, what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the relevant information? That's why you go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the inspection booklet and you have a look in the

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of pages of that. That's where all the

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<v Speaker 2>information is. I also typically tend to give them stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that they might not have asked for, So any record

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<v Speaker 2>of works, any producer statement, any site inspection notes from engineer, geotech, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd add that to it.

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<v Speaker 2>PS Four from the engineer, if there's specific design, all

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<v Speaker 2>of the records of works, all of the coa's COCs, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Put it all in there, and then what will happen

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<v Speaker 2>is they'll come back to you with more information.

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<v Speaker 3>Well done, good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to go for the news, but feel free

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<v Speaker 2>to call again if.

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<v Speaker 3>You need more fashion.

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<v Speaker 12>In the home stretch.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the hard time.

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<v Speaker 13>It took a heart left, but we're all right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 13>sure canra so.

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<v Speaker 12>Love Loie b. We do this right his soul than

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<v Speaker 12>ever gone.

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<v Speaker 8>All that.

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<v Speaker 15>When the bars are good, reston you're the pain a field.

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<v Speaker 13>That's good, Shadow that boy, because you will have a.

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<v Speaker 12>Man's a crack in the foundation.

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<v Speaker 15>Debiano Mani Stone well present the Oh the wound we

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<v Speaker 15>stayed the hastone.

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<v Speaker 12>Fall in the bars are good.

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<v Speaker 2>Alrighty, oh, welcome back to the program. It's going to

1:22:46.815 --> 1:22:48.975
<v Speaker 2>be busy in the next half hour. Before we jumped

1:22:48.975 --> 1:22:51.015
<v Speaker 2>into the garden with it to climb past. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>to all of the Texters that have replied to Rex

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<v Speaker 2>question about trying to find he was looking for a

1:22:58.095 --> 1:23:04.375
<v Speaker 2>cast iron grate for a concrete gully dish. In cast

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<v Speaker 2>iron probably not available anymore. There are aluminium ones out there, Hines.

1:23:09.935 --> 1:23:16.015
<v Speaker 2>Someone suggested that someone has suggested going taking a drawing

1:23:16.055 --> 1:23:17.855
<v Speaker 2>and getting it cast for you. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>rather expensive. Austin's Foundry and Timaru is now closed down,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were one of the largest makers of the

1:23:23.375 --> 1:23:26.455
<v Speaker 2>old cast iron lids. Did have some stock for sale.

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<v Speaker 2>Chairs Google Austin's Foundry and Timaru. I'm going through timorrow

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of months time. I could pick one

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<v Speaker 2>up on the way and Hines and someone else where

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<v Speaker 2>was it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's Hines on Nielson Street. No one hunger

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to find one. I thought that'd be

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<v Speaker 2>out there, and then someone goes, hey, will Davies Homes.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a chat with the team from Davy's Homes

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<v Speaker 2>just before the break. Will they be at field Days?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if they will be. Second part of

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<v Speaker 2>the quick text was will you be there?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>I will.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I'm going to be at field Days on Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>and Friday of this coming week. Really looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>it actually, so you'll find me hanging around with Bailey

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<v Speaker 2>Water Tanks. They've got a big stand down there, my

1:24:12.455 --> 1:24:17.615
<v Speaker 2>mates at Apex Boots, and also with the team at Royobi,

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<v Speaker 2>So I will be drifting around certainly. So send me

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<v Speaker 2>a message maybe through social media or something, or post

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<v Speaker 2>where I am on my Facebook page, so resident builder

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook, you'll find it there. I'll put up a

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<v Speaker 2>list of where I am at which time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>always really enjoy the chats that I have while i'm

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<v Speaker 2>down there. So down there with Bailey's, with Apex Boots

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<v Speaker 2>and with Ryobi, really really looking forward to it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking I might be able to swing by Saveboard

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<v Speaker 2>as well. These are the people that use like TetraPak

1:24:49.415 --> 1:24:53.255
<v Speaker 2>the liquid paper and recycle it into boards. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to bring some sheets up to put at the

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<v Speaker 2>Resource Recovery Center in Devenport, just to show people what

1:24:59.335 --> 1:25:02.535
<v Speaker 2>happens with recycling, because if you can't put that pack

1:25:03.015 --> 1:25:06.055
<v Speaker 2>that packaging into your curb side recycling, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>cyclable and Saveboard ended up making it into wall lining

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<v Speaker 2>which you can use, so be quite good to show

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<v Speaker 2>people what you can do with recycled material, so I

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<v Speaker 2>might have to swing by the factory and strap a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of sheets of safeboard onto the roof of the

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<v Speaker 2>BT fifty and then head back to Auckland after that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yep, Thursday, Friday field days, it'll be awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill, greetings you sir.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yes, hello Pete. Yeah, no little problem. We had

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<v Speaker 6>a water pipe burst under the house, yes, and that

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<v Speaker 6>Actually it's not a double story house, but there's split

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<v Speaker 6>level and the water left the chip board alone, which

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<v Speaker 6>was the top half, and they seeped into the lounge,

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<v Speaker 6>which was all carpeted, and I had to rip the

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<v Speaker 6>carpet because it's stunk, you know. I had to ditch

1:26:04.615 --> 1:26:09.215
<v Speaker 6>the carpet and I'm just wondering what to do with

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<v Speaker 6>it now because there's a bare concrete floor on the

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<v Speaker 6>bottom half and I didn't know what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 6>do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>The concrete will be fine, you know, water and concrete.

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<v Speaker 2>Once the concrete's gone off, that won't have an impact.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be a certain amount of moisture still in the building,

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<v Speaker 2>and before you do any repairs, i'd make sure you

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<v Speaker 2>dry that out.

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<v Speaker 6>So for carpets, a log fire in there yeah, i'd.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably go down.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean some of this should be covered by

1:26:38.855 --> 1:26:41.695
<v Speaker 2>your insurance, right, so you're insurance.

1:26:41.415 --> 1:26:43.255
<v Speaker 6>I think, so our money ranking.

1:26:43.455 --> 1:26:45.415
<v Speaker 3>But the land okay, well.

1:26:45.335 --> 1:26:48.575
<v Speaker 2>The landlords, it would be in the landlord's interest to

1:26:48.695 --> 1:26:52.775
<v Speaker 2>get like a commercial sized dehumidifier and put that in there.

1:26:52.815 --> 1:26:56.095
<v Speaker 2>So if you've already pulled the carpet up, get in

1:26:56.175 --> 1:26:58.575
<v Speaker 2>there with a dehumidifier, run that for a week or

1:26:58.655 --> 1:27:02.055
<v Speaker 2>so before you do any more remedial work, and that'll

1:27:02.095 --> 1:27:03.975
<v Speaker 2>just help dry the place out and get that moisture

1:27:04.055 --> 1:27:04.455
<v Speaker 2>level down.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because I think that half I'd been done quite

1:27:07.575 --> 1:27:12.375
<v Speaker 6>a while, and my ex wife she had dogs and

1:27:13.015 --> 1:27:16.815
<v Speaker 6>they're probably pedal on the carpet, which really stunk the

1:27:16.895 --> 1:27:18.455
<v Speaker 6>thing out, so we had to get rid of it.

1:27:18.655 --> 1:27:22.455
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, m hm.

1:27:23.255 --> 1:27:26.335
<v Speaker 6>So I've got left and now as a concrete floor

1:27:26.775 --> 1:27:27.735
<v Speaker 6>in a couple of mates.

1:27:28.375 --> 1:27:33.295
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, no, no, look, look, I'll I would

1:27:33.335 --> 1:27:35.295
<v Speaker 2>do that. Make sure you get the dehumidifier in there.

1:27:35.295 --> 1:27:37.095
<v Speaker 2>Because the carpet dryers, you know the ones that you

1:27:37.135 --> 1:27:40.335
<v Speaker 2>can buy, they look like a snail. Yeah, they'll blast

1:27:40.495 --> 1:27:42.175
<v Speaker 2>through and get rid of the moisture out of the carpet.

1:27:42.215 --> 1:27:43.935
<v Speaker 2>But you've already removed that, but I think it's really

1:27:43.935 --> 1:27:46.695
<v Speaker 2>important before you get onto remedial work to make sure

1:27:46.695 --> 1:27:50.095
<v Speaker 2>that the moisture content is down again. Awful thing to happen.

1:27:50.175 --> 1:27:52.775
<v Speaker 3>Good luck with all of that. Rory greetings to you.

1:27:54.255 --> 1:28:00.575
<v Speaker 9>Hello, Oh yeah, I just this time last week you're

1:28:00.575 --> 1:28:02.175
<v Speaker 9>talking about the commistic groups.

1:28:02.455 --> 1:28:03.935
<v Speaker 16>Yes, excuse me a bit of morse.

1:28:05.935 --> 1:28:09.575
<v Speaker 9>In any way, you said something about a membrane over

1:28:09.655 --> 1:28:12.815
<v Speaker 9>the whole deachomestic grief. And I'll tell you now and then,

1:28:13.415 --> 1:28:17.255
<v Speaker 9>there's no better membrane than good paint and plenty of

1:28:17.375 --> 1:28:21.175
<v Speaker 9>it on it. And i'll tell you what. You don't

1:28:21.215 --> 1:28:23.295
<v Speaker 9>put it on neat. You put it on water down

1:28:23.375 --> 1:28:24.335
<v Speaker 9>twenty percent.

1:28:24.855 --> 1:28:25.655
<v Speaker 7>With a room.

1:28:27.055 --> 1:28:29.695
<v Speaker 3>Whoa, okay, yeah right.

1:28:30.615 --> 1:28:32.655
<v Speaker 9>And it's the only read you want to do it on.

1:28:32.775 --> 1:28:39.775
<v Speaker 9>Low picture is not billas like yours. But it's better

1:28:39.815 --> 1:28:44.815
<v Speaker 9>than spraying it because when you saturate the chips and everything,

1:28:44.895 --> 1:28:48.815
<v Speaker 9>they never come off again, and the bird two foes off.

1:28:49.215 --> 1:28:53.295
<v Speaker 9>There's no bird degree or moss around it. And my

1:28:53.495 --> 1:28:56.695
<v Speaker 9>roofs fifty years old now, and I had to do

1:28:56.775 --> 1:29:01.975
<v Speaker 9>it after about twenty years because the grief was put

1:29:02.055 --> 1:29:04.535
<v Speaker 9>on by amateurs. And I think there were second hand

1:29:04.655 --> 1:29:06.535
<v Speaker 9>tires that looked yeah.

1:29:08.775 --> 1:29:09.895
<v Speaker 3>No, look, I agree.

1:29:09.935 --> 1:29:12.095
<v Speaker 2>I think having a you know, an extra layer of

1:29:12.335 --> 1:29:14.975
<v Speaker 2>anything that protects our roofs is probably not a bad thing.

1:29:15.935 --> 1:29:17.655
<v Speaker 2>And I've had texts from people are going, no, you

1:29:17.695 --> 1:29:19.015
<v Speaker 2>can't just repaint them.

1:29:18.895 --> 1:29:19.455
<v Speaker 3>And all the rest of it.

1:29:19.815 --> 1:29:21.815
<v Speaker 2>The membrane that I'm talking about, I haven't had any

1:29:21.855 --> 1:29:24.175
<v Speaker 2>personal experience, but I've just noticed a number of sort

1:29:24.215 --> 1:29:29.535
<v Speaker 2>of ads and comments around applying like a thick, viscous

1:29:29.735 --> 1:29:32.855
<v Speaker 2>type coating over your existing roof as a as a

1:29:32.975 --> 1:29:35.855
<v Speaker 2>flexible membrane. So we might be talking you know, half

1:29:35.895 --> 1:29:38.575
<v Speaker 2>a millimeter or so of product that's applied, or possibly

1:29:38.615 --> 1:29:40.375
<v Speaker 2>even a bit thicker than that, which is more than

1:29:40.415 --> 1:29:42.175
<v Speaker 2>what you would get out of a layer of paint.

1:29:43.135 --> 1:29:45.455
<v Speaker 2>No matter how thick you apply it, you won't get

1:29:45.535 --> 1:29:48.135
<v Speaker 2>that sort of build up on it. But look, there's

1:29:48.215 --> 1:29:50.335
<v Speaker 2>there's some alternatives out there. I'm interested to hear from

1:29:50.375 --> 1:29:53.255
<v Speaker 2>anyone who's had one of these membranes applied over the

1:29:53.335 --> 1:29:56.415
<v Speaker 2>top of an existing roof to prolong its life. Oh

1:29:56.495 --> 1:29:58.695
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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<v Speaker 2>call and Mike, good morning to you.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh Hof, you can help me or come it with ideas.

1:30:08.455 --> 1:30:13.175
<v Speaker 8>So we've just had a small renovation done, basically putting

1:30:13.215 --> 1:30:18.455
<v Speaker 8>in two new bedrooms, and there's a very very strong

1:30:18.735 --> 1:30:23.655
<v Speaker 8>chemical smell or odor that's there. So the floors a

1:30:24.535 --> 1:30:29.895
<v Speaker 8>concret slab bra design, the walls are all jibs, the

1:30:30.135 --> 1:30:36.175
<v Speaker 8>ceiling is in a tongue and groove plywood look to it, yep.

1:30:36.775 --> 1:30:41.735
<v Speaker 8>And then in one bedroom we've also got that sort

1:30:41.775 --> 1:30:46.375
<v Speaker 8>of bed behind the bed, you know, down not half

1:30:46.455 --> 1:30:49.095
<v Speaker 8>the wall, but running horizontally like.

1:30:49.135 --> 1:30:49.895
<v Speaker 3>A lining for a.

1:30:51.415 --> 1:30:53.775
<v Speaker 8>Nice So when I when I was painting it, I thought,

1:30:54.615 --> 1:30:57.935
<v Speaker 8>you know, things aren't sealed, et cetera. But now we've

1:30:57.975 --> 1:31:00.935
<v Speaker 8>got to carpet down, a bit of lino down, you know,

1:31:01.415 --> 1:31:03.975
<v Speaker 8>everything's all painted and to sure at the moment it

1:31:04.135 --> 1:31:06.815
<v Speaker 8>kind of there's a fifty thirsty mixture of brand new

1:31:06.895 --> 1:31:12.735
<v Speaker 8>carpet smell and this really strong chemical yeah odor that's there.

1:31:13.415 --> 1:31:17.535
<v Speaker 2>Any ideas, I know that there's a lot of discussion,

1:31:17.895 --> 1:31:20.295
<v Speaker 2>you know, when we're talking about healthy homes and so on,

1:31:20.615 --> 1:31:24.495
<v Speaker 2>around the materials that we use in the construction of

1:31:24.575 --> 1:31:29.775
<v Speaker 2>our houses. And for example, if you look on a

1:31:29.815 --> 1:31:32.375
<v Speaker 2>bucket of raisine paint right, it will say it's a

1:31:32.495 --> 1:31:38.855
<v Speaker 2>low voc paint, so volatile organic compounds. And if you

1:31:38.935 --> 1:31:41.415
<v Speaker 2>think back to paints and products that we used to

1:31:41.535 --> 1:31:44.455
<v Speaker 2>use years ago, you know, they smell like you just

1:31:44.535 --> 1:31:45.495
<v Speaker 2>open a bottle of whiskey.

1:31:45.655 --> 1:31:47.815
<v Speaker 3>Right, There was so much, so many.

1:31:48.335 --> 1:31:52.095
<v Speaker 2>So we're typically we're using a lot less chemicals and

1:31:52.215 --> 1:31:56.335
<v Speaker 2>a lot less harmful chemicals in either the manufacture of

1:31:56.335 --> 1:31:58.695
<v Speaker 2>the products that we use into a house or actually

1:31:58.815 --> 1:32:02.415
<v Speaker 2>on site when we're applying them. So even things like

1:32:02.495 --> 1:32:06.175
<v Speaker 2>tubes of silicon or adhesive right tend to have less

1:32:06.375 --> 1:32:08.975
<v Speaker 2>of these VOCs in them than they had in the past.

1:32:09.575 --> 1:32:11.975
<v Speaker 2>So in that sense, I'm a little surprised, and I'm

1:32:12.015 --> 1:32:14.815
<v Speaker 2>thinking back to, you know, all of the building work

1:32:14.855 --> 1:32:16.415
<v Speaker 2>that I've done, let's say in the last ten years,

1:32:16.935 --> 1:32:18.895
<v Speaker 2>that at the end of it, as a new build,

1:32:19.255 --> 1:32:24.175
<v Speaker 2>it hasn't been that noticeable. Right now, there is evidence

1:32:24.255 --> 1:32:26.335
<v Speaker 2>that says that, you know, there's a lot of moisture

1:32:26.655 --> 1:32:29.055
<v Speaker 2>in how we build, and so that takes a period

1:32:29.095 --> 1:32:31.895
<v Speaker 2>of time to evaporate. And undoubtedly there are chemicals in

1:32:32.015 --> 1:32:34.415
<v Speaker 2>the products that we use and there will be a

1:32:34.575 --> 1:32:39.655
<v Speaker 2>residue which will diminish over time. So with yours, do

1:32:39.735 --> 1:32:42.575
<v Speaker 2>you think that the smell or the odor is as

1:32:42.775 --> 1:32:45.015
<v Speaker 2>obvious today as when the work finished.

1:32:46.935 --> 1:32:49.575
<v Speaker 8>Well, yeah, it's kind of interesting that one. So it

1:32:49.735 --> 1:32:53.775
<v Speaker 8>was fully started nearly well that was time ago, about

1:32:53.815 --> 1:32:57.575
<v Speaker 8>a year ago, right, oh wow? And yeah, I know,

1:32:57.855 --> 1:33:02.255
<v Speaker 8>And fortunately I needed to have a hip operation last year,

1:33:02.335 --> 1:33:05.255
<v Speaker 8>so I had the big push to sort of get

1:33:05.415 --> 1:33:08.975
<v Speaker 8>most of the painting done by August last year, and

1:33:09.135 --> 1:33:12.415
<v Speaker 8>I've finished it off now. So and it's one of

1:33:12.455 --> 1:33:17.255
<v Speaker 8>those things that once you've had the area open, it's

1:33:17.415 --> 1:33:21.095
<v Speaker 8>the small batch, so it's quite often locked up right

1:33:21.415 --> 1:33:23.895
<v Speaker 8>when you first go and you go, wow, what's that smell?

1:33:24.215 --> 1:33:26.455
<v Speaker 8>And then you know, leave all the doors and windows

1:33:26.495 --> 1:33:28.775
<v Speaker 8>open for a quarter of an hour, either you stop

1:33:28.855 --> 1:33:31.495
<v Speaker 8>smelling it or it basically years out. But every time

1:33:31.575 --> 1:33:33.535
<v Speaker 8>we go back in, it's there, locked up for a

1:33:33.575 --> 1:33:35.295
<v Speaker 8>few days, it's there year.

1:33:35.775 --> 1:33:41.175
<v Speaker 2>I guess that might be the the one factor that changes,

1:33:41.375 --> 1:33:43.655
<v Speaker 2>you know, what we're talking about, in the sense that like,

1:33:43.775 --> 1:33:46.295
<v Speaker 2>typically if it's a house and it's occupied every day,

1:33:46.335 --> 1:33:48.735
<v Speaker 2>the windows get opened every day, so it's not surprising

1:33:48.815 --> 1:33:51.375
<v Speaker 2>that the smell has lasted for a lot longer. The

1:33:51.495 --> 1:33:53.855
<v Speaker 2>other thing would be is to actually get it tested.

1:33:55.175 --> 1:33:58.015
<v Speaker 2>So I know that there's some people involved in building

1:33:58.135 --> 1:34:03.535
<v Speaker 2>science who will do testing of interior environments, right, So

1:34:03.855 --> 1:34:07.095
<v Speaker 2>you can measure for carbon monoxide, you can measure for

1:34:07.975 --> 1:34:13.055
<v Speaker 2>humidity and moisture content, and potentially you can measure for

1:34:13.215 --> 1:34:16.215
<v Speaker 2>VOCs inside the building as well, and if it had

1:34:16.255 --> 1:34:19.735
<v Speaker 2>a particularly elevated reading, it would give you an indication

1:34:19.855 --> 1:34:22.295
<v Speaker 2>of what types of chemicals they might be, and then

1:34:22.335 --> 1:34:24.615
<v Speaker 2>you could sort of think back through the building process

1:34:25.015 --> 1:34:27.655
<v Speaker 2>to go, Okay, well, it might be that we used

1:34:27.655 --> 1:34:30.335
<v Speaker 2>I don't know a particular type of flooring material, or

1:34:31.855 --> 1:34:34.215
<v Speaker 2>I mean I presume that with all of your paint

1:34:34.735 --> 1:34:37.295
<v Speaker 2>that you did, it mostly would have been acrylics or

1:34:37.335 --> 1:34:38.215
<v Speaker 2>water borne paints.

1:34:38.295 --> 1:34:41.695
<v Speaker 8>Even for the clear fear, it was always in paint,

1:34:43.495 --> 1:34:46.935
<v Speaker 8>wondering about the the the ply, the tingu and grew

1:34:47.055 --> 1:34:49.295
<v Speaker 8>plight because I thought, you know jibs, well, you know

1:34:50.495 --> 1:34:53.775
<v Speaker 8>got jibyware. You know, if they'd have been smelling, other

1:34:53.815 --> 1:35:01.095
<v Speaker 8>people have noticed it. I've done undercoats, under top coats.

1:35:01.455 --> 1:35:04.095
<v Speaker 2>How many thousands of sheets of plasterboard I've seen put

1:35:04.175 --> 1:35:06.495
<v Speaker 2>up in the last ten years, you know, And I look,

1:35:06.975 --> 1:35:09.735
<v Speaker 2>you just don't get it right. Someone sticks through. Have

1:35:09.935 --> 1:35:15.335
<v Speaker 2>you glued down carpet? No, what's your flooring.

1:35:15.495 --> 1:35:20.775
<v Speaker 8>The the flooring is a concrete slat okay, and.

1:35:20.815 --> 1:35:25.775
<v Speaker 2>Then left exposed. Sorry, And and the concrete is left exposed.

1:35:27.415 --> 1:35:29.375
<v Speaker 3>No, no, it's got a cabin on top of it, okay.

1:35:29.695 --> 1:35:31.815
<v Speaker 2>And then the carpet is just it's not glued down,

1:35:31.855 --> 1:35:33.415
<v Speaker 2>it's with an underlay.

1:35:33.055 --> 1:35:33.375
<v Speaker 14>And so on.

1:35:34.375 --> 1:35:34.615
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1:35:34.815 --> 1:35:41.655
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, they've got the standard you know that mailgemooth.

1:35:39.975 --> 1:35:40.815
<v Speaker 4>Yep, yep.

1:35:42.215 --> 1:35:46.415
<v Speaker 2>Interesting and I would I would have a search around

1:35:46.495 --> 1:35:48.895
<v Speaker 2>and see if you can get And they're out there right.

1:35:48.975 --> 1:35:51.375
<v Speaker 2>They're they're sort of building scientists who are involved in,

1:35:53.695 --> 1:35:59.335
<v Speaker 2>you know, investigating chemical compounds and indoor environment and you're

1:35:59.335 --> 1:36:02.175
<v Speaker 2>talking about indoor air quality and actually have it tested.

1:36:02.255 --> 1:36:04.695
<v Speaker 2>Someone else has suggested if you might have used a

1:36:04.775 --> 1:36:07.415
<v Speaker 2>nylon carpet. Sometimes it has a very strong smell when

1:36:07.415 --> 1:36:07.815
<v Speaker 2>it's new.

1:36:09.455 --> 1:36:12.535
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, but yeah, you can definitely tell the carpet smell.

1:36:12.655 --> 1:36:14.615
<v Speaker 8>So yeah, they're worried about that. They'll go, await, it's

1:36:14.695 --> 1:36:19.215
<v Speaker 8>the that other chemical and it's hard to describe. Yes,

1:36:19.575 --> 1:36:21.415
<v Speaker 8>you know, when we first started going into the Tracy,

1:36:21.575 --> 1:36:24.575
<v Speaker 8>my wife said, the paint. No, no, it's not the paint.

1:36:24.855 --> 1:36:27.615
<v Speaker 8>I've been breathing that in all day. It's definitely not

1:36:27.735 --> 1:36:33.615
<v Speaker 8>the paint smell. It's very strong chemical odor. Yeah, and

1:36:33.775 --> 1:36:37.855
<v Speaker 8>it's Yeah, we were thinking that maybe it was coming

1:36:37.895 --> 1:36:39.655
<v Speaker 8>from the concrete land. You know, once we had the

1:36:39.695 --> 1:36:41.975
<v Speaker 8>carpet down and there was a small bit of lino,

1:36:42.215 --> 1:36:44.095
<v Speaker 8>it'd all be gone. But now you can you know,

1:36:44.215 --> 1:36:46.935
<v Speaker 8>it's minimized it just because of the new smell of

1:36:46.975 --> 1:36:49.895
<v Speaker 8>the carpet. But you can still smell the other you know.

1:36:50.575 --> 1:36:53.575
<v Speaker 2>It's not an odor coming from your drainage.

1:36:56.375 --> 1:36:59.255
<v Speaker 8>Ask the plumber about that, but he said that would

1:36:59.295 --> 1:37:00.855
<v Speaker 8>smell more organic.

1:37:01.735 --> 1:37:03.175
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I understand that.

1:37:04.415 --> 1:37:04.615
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

1:37:06.415 --> 1:37:08.175
<v Speaker 8>Is the only new bit of plumbing in that area

1:37:08.455 --> 1:37:10.975
<v Speaker 8>is Yeah, there's a like a washing machine in a

1:37:11.095 --> 1:37:14.255
<v Speaker 8>small cupboard. Yeah, and that so it does have them,

1:37:14.455 --> 1:37:16.735
<v Speaker 8>you know, the gully trap whatever for.

1:37:16.775 --> 1:37:19.055
<v Speaker 2>That, and it should have a terminal vent and those

1:37:19.095 --> 1:37:22.415
<v Speaker 2>sorts of things. Look, I think I would go and

1:37:22.815 --> 1:37:25.975
<v Speaker 2>find someone to come in and do testing of indoor

1:37:26.015 --> 1:37:36.255
<v Speaker 2>air quality, take a scientific even if you want to

1:37:36.455 --> 1:37:39.135
<v Speaker 2>contact brands, give brands a call and say, look, I'm

1:37:39.135 --> 1:37:41.295
<v Speaker 2>looking for someone who does this type of work, and

1:37:41.375 --> 1:37:43.695
<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll know researchers who do this all the time.

1:37:45.255 --> 1:37:47.375
<v Speaker 8>You wouldn't think it'd be coming from the plywood at all.

1:37:47.495 --> 1:37:52.095
<v Speaker 2>I mean we did to imagine about ply Yeah, I mean, look,

1:37:52.135 --> 1:37:55.255
<v Speaker 2>there's there's a lot of glue in plywood obviously, right

1:37:56.375 --> 1:37:58.975
<v Speaker 2>and depending on which type of plywood, some of them

1:37:59.175 --> 1:38:02.495
<v Speaker 2>use more eco friendly glues than others do.

1:38:03.175 --> 1:38:03.935
<v Speaker 3>But again.

1:38:06.135 --> 1:38:09.535
<v Speaker 2>I see, like I know, for example, treated play because

1:38:09.535 --> 1:38:12.895
<v Speaker 2>we use it sometimes as sefite linings. Right now, that

1:38:13.055 --> 1:38:16.575
<v Speaker 2>has a very very strong chemical smell for quite a

1:38:16.695 --> 1:38:22.055
<v Speaker 2>long time. So potentially if the plywood, is it like

1:38:22.135 --> 1:38:24.455
<v Speaker 2>a V groove, a tongue and groove type plywood that

1:38:24.495 --> 1:38:25.175
<v Speaker 2>you've used.

1:38:26.055 --> 1:38:27.855
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah, it looks like a

1:38:27.935 --> 1:38:29.495
<v Speaker 8>bit of tongue and very flooring.

1:38:29.735 --> 1:38:31.935
<v Speaker 2>See a lot of a lot of that is designed

1:38:31.975 --> 1:38:35.015
<v Speaker 2>for exterior use, in which case, yes, that will have

1:38:35.375 --> 1:38:39.095
<v Speaker 2>a very heavy chemical treatment to it for its for

1:38:39.215 --> 1:38:41.015
<v Speaker 2>it to get H three qualification.

1:38:42.255 --> 1:38:43.495
<v Speaker 3>And I've used it.

1:38:44.095 --> 1:38:48.375
<v Speaker 2>Actually you might be onto something now that I've used

1:38:48.375 --> 1:38:50.535
<v Speaker 2>it for bathroom lining for example, where I've wanted to

1:38:50.575 --> 1:38:52.935
<v Speaker 2>do like wainscotting tongue and groove around the perimeter of

1:38:52.975 --> 1:38:56.535
<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. And I can remember getting it and cutting

1:38:56.615 --> 1:38:59.215
<v Speaker 2>it and it being a very strong smell, but it

1:38:59.335 --> 1:39:03.375
<v Speaker 2>did diminish over time, and you know, again within.

1:39:03.415 --> 1:39:04.335
<v Speaker 3>A week or so.

1:39:04.615 --> 1:39:06.855
<v Speaker 2>I would have expected there to be very very little

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<v Speaker 2>presence of any sort of residue or odor. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit surprising that it's lasted as long as

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<v Speaker 2>it has. But again, if you would have the indoor

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<v Speaker 2>air quality tested, it would they would soon be able

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<v Speaker 2>to determine whether or not it's coming from the adhesive

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<v Speaker 2>that bonds that fly would together.

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<v Speaker 8>The builders that did builder has been in there sort

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<v Speaker 8>of coming back to work out his justice confused and

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<v Speaker 8>he said, no, it was indoor ply.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it wasn't It wasn't treated, so it didn't Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well yeah, but I must admit there when I was

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<v Speaker 2>putting up there several bits that actually had.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, very bright orange I think it was orange

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<v Speaker 8>or yellow fluoro paint painted on the side of the

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<v Speaker 8>to the ply, which I had to send quite a

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<v Speaker 8>bit before I painted. Would I remember thinking when I

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<v Speaker 8>was prepping, I thought, if it was you know, really,

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<v Speaker 8>if it was made for indoor, would it have the

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<v Speaker 8>fluoro paint sprayed off?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you what would be really interesting is to

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<v Speaker 2>ask the builder to send through a copy of the

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<v Speaker 2>either the delivery slip or the invoice from the supplier

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<v Speaker 2>for that product, because again you know he may have

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<v Speaker 2>ordered TGNV untreated and then when the order got to

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<v Speaker 2>the yard, they went, oh, we don't have any of that,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll send out some treated stuff. So yeah, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>get the invoice for that material. All right, got a

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<v Speaker 2>nice talking with you all, the very best. Take care

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<v Speaker 2>by then. Fascinating, fascinating. A couple of quick texts before

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<v Speaker 2>you go the break. How can I find out what

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<v Speaker 2>the infull housing policy is in my neighborhood. I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>the north Shore, so am I. As it happens in Auckland,

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<v Speaker 2>if a proposed new build means a lack of light

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<v Speaker 2>sunshine on existing house, is that a liar could turn

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy home into an unhealthy one. I hear what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying, Joe, And we had Hamish Firth a planner

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<v Speaker 2>in the studio exactly seven days ago. So it's here

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<v Speaker 2>at this time. The best thing to do is to

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<v Speaker 2>go to your local council website and to see what

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<v Speaker 2>the planning regulations permit. That'll give you an idea. Many

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<v Speaker 2>many areas are zoned for intensification and redevelopment, and yes

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<v Speaker 2>there will be many areas where you can build possibly

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<v Speaker 2>out three stories higher meter from the boundary, and that

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<v Speaker 2>will undoubtedly cause shading. And this is permitted as our

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<v Speaker 2>cities grow. So first instance, I'd go to the council website,

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<v Speaker 2>take your time, have a look through. You'll find lots

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<v Speaker 2>and lots of information there. Now, last one before we

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<v Speaker 2>go into the garden. Morning, sir, that's very nice.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Our elementum joinery is oxidize. What's the best product in

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<v Speaker 2>your opinion to bring the joinery back regards from Sean. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you want to do a really good job,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably get experts in. So have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>someone like Nanoclear, for example, who would come through, do

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<v Speaker 2>the proper treatment, do the recoloring, apply a treatment over

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<v Speaker 2>the top of it to protect it, and get a

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<v Speaker 2>really good job done. So yeah, I'd check out Nana

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<v Speaker 2>clear right. Oh, let's jump into the garden where it

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<v Speaker 2>is all a sweetness and light rod climb passed after

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<v Speaker 2>the break.

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