Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
Speaker 1: from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the
Speaker 2: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with Pete wolf Camp. That's
Speaker 2: me the Residant Builder, and we are talking all things building, construction, maintenance, renovations, alterations, additions,
Speaker 2: brand new builds. I spend a little bit of time
Speaker 2: via the email this week talking with people about a
Speaker 2: couple of interesting things, some practical stuff around maintenance, a
Speaker 2: couple of issues around I guess that involved neighbors and
Speaker 2: we'll dig into that a little bit more in the program.
Speaker 2: So in a little bit of time, I had some
Speaker 2: time actually this week to do some reading. Went through
Speaker 2: as a builder, as an LBP, we're on the mailing
Speaker 2: list for the brand's magazine which comes out, the Build magazine,
Speaker 2: which comes out I think every month. And in fact,
Speaker 2: the part of the reason that it comes out to
Speaker 2: LBPS my self license building practitioners is that there are
Speaker 2: a series of articles near the articles have a quiz
Speaker 2: and when you go to renew your license, as we
Speaker 2: have to do, we have to prove learning every two years,
Speaker 2: so you have to renew it every year. You have
Speaker 2: to prove learning every two years, which I think this
Speaker 2: year I have to do in September sometime. One of
Speaker 2: the ways to do that is to read the magazine
Speaker 2: and answer quizzes and then you have to submit your
Speaker 2: answers online, which is kind of an interesting process to
Speaker 2: go through. Anyway, So as I was reading through that,
Speaker 2: suddenly I'm pulling out these articles. There was one about
Speaker 2: car ports, there was another interesting one about building for
Speaker 2: climate change, because of course it's reflective of government policy
Speaker 2: at the time. So a lot of our building policy
Speaker 2: has shifted and the focus has been on the energy
Speaker 2: efficiency and so on in response to government directives. So
Speaker 2: it's been an interesting we process. And then yesterday I
Speaker 2: came in here to the studio and spend a bit
Speaker 2: of time with Tim Beveridge and the delightful nev Ritti Manu.
Speaker 2: It was lovely to be able to actually offer my
Speaker 2: congratulations to her. You may have heard that the New
Speaker 2: Zealand Radio Awards were on Thursday night here in Auckland,
Speaker 2: and news Talk zed B did particularly well. Station of
Speaker 2: the Year. My Costkings, Marcus Lush and Neva Routty Manu.
Speaker 3: Not to mention.
Speaker 2: Others as well. Of course we're all part of the recognition,
Speaker 2: So it was nice to sit next to award winning
Speaker 2: newsreader Neva ritty Manu yesterday on the program, and also
Speaker 2: delightful and for those of you who have listened to
Speaker 2: ZEDB for a while, and particularly back in the day
Speaker 2: when Tim was doing overnights and then over the summer break,
Speaker 2: Tim Dower, who I know outside of radio a little bit.
Speaker 2: I've done some work with him and done some work
Speaker 2: on his house way way way back. It was also
Speaker 2: recognized in the awards with a Lifetime Achievement award like
Speaker 2: an Outstanding contribution to radio, which I thought was absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2: So great to see his name. And Tim Dawe would
Speaker 2: be a name that's familiar to many of you who
Speaker 2: have listened to News Talks EDB for a number of years,
Speaker 2: so nice to see him recognize for his contribution. I
Speaker 2: think he started in radio gosh, might have been sometime
Speaker 2: in the late nineteen eighties and has made a significant
Speaker 2: contribution over the years. Now we have a couple of
Speaker 2: technical issues.
Speaker 3: That are going on.
Speaker 2: There's a gremlin in the machine right now, so it
Speaker 2: might take us a little while to get things underway,
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Speaker 3: So trust you've had a good week. Was it short week?
Speaker 3: Wasn't it? Monday was day off?
Speaker 2: King's birthday and now we're into it with I guess
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks and then Matariki is a friday.
Speaker 2: And I'm particularly focused on this because I'm looking through
Speaker 2: my son's sort of school calendar, going okay, so you
Speaker 2: had that day off, then you got another public holiday,
Speaker 2: then you've got the school trip this day.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like.
Speaker 2: There's many days in the classroom sunshine. Anyway, that's another
Speaker 2: issue for those of us who've got kids at high school.
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The lines are open. The
Speaker 2: number is as I just mentioned, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
Speaker 2: and we'll come back with your calls in just a moment.
Speaker 3: Radio technical issues sorted. Thank you very much. Boss.
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
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Speaker 2: So during the actually without going into too much detail,
Speaker 2: because I realized it involves a neighbor. So I got
Speaker 2: an email during the week from a person who's going, hey, look,
Speaker 2: I've I've had a discussion with my neighbor who mentioned
Speaker 2: that they would like to bring on a container as storage,
Speaker 2: and you know, sort of aware that it might happen,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But I've been away for a
Speaker 2: little while and I've come home to this and they
Speaker 2: sent me a photograph essentially right up alongside the boundary fence,
Speaker 2: like touching the boundary fence is a gee. I think
Speaker 2: it's a It might even be forty foot but at
Speaker 2: least a twenty foot container, so six meters long container
Speaker 2: right on the boundary and on a sloping site, inevitably
Speaker 2: slightly sloping site. Inevitably that means that one end has
Speaker 2: been lifted to keep the container level, so it stands
Speaker 2: even higher over the boundary fence. And then once you
Speaker 2: open one of the doors on the front of it,
Speaker 2: that adds about one point two one point three meters
Speaker 2: to it. So you can imagine, you know, the better
Speaker 2: part of seven point three meters of steel container smack
Speaker 2: bang on the boundary outside your window looking at the view.
Speaker 2: So what do you do about that? So apparently, and
Speaker 2: this is the investigation from the correspondent, let's say, was
Speaker 2: that they approach council, and council said, well, look, you
Speaker 2: can have a container on site and it can be
Speaker 2: close to the boundary, but it can only stay there
Speaker 2: for a month. It would seem that this particular neighbor
Speaker 2: has added some doors and is building a deck on it.
Speaker 2: It sounds like this thing the intention would be that
Speaker 2: it's staying for a while. And so I had a
Speaker 2: quick look through some council regulations around the location of
Speaker 2: sheds in that and it's something that we've talked about
Speaker 2: on this program a number of times around rules around
Speaker 2: buildings that don't necessarily require a building consent. And I
Speaker 2: guess something like this a container which seems temporary, but
Speaker 2: if you've put it on poles and you've added a
Speaker 2: deck to it, and you've got a door and you're
Speaker 2: running some power to it. You can't then just say, look,
Speaker 2: it's only temporary, particularly if it stays there for a year,
Speaker 2: even if it is portable. So counsel allow you to
Speaker 2: have something like that there for a month. This has
Speaker 2: been there for more than a month, and I think
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be there. And there's quite clear guidelines if
Speaker 2: you look through Schedule one of the Building Act, which
Speaker 2: talks about, you know, the types of buildings that you
Speaker 2: can could possibly build without necessarily requiring a building consent.
Speaker 2: It also goes into quite specific detail around where they
Speaker 2: can be relate located in relation to the boundary. Certainly
Speaker 2: on the boundary, not at all. Right, So we'll be
Speaker 2: interesting to follow that one again for the next little while.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I mean to be blunt. It's pretty inconsiderate,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: That's how I would say it.
Speaker 2: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number
Speaker 2: to call John A very good morning to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, Pete, I love listening to your show on
Speaker 4: the way to work.
Speaker 3: Good on you're forgetting up on a Sunday and hour
Speaker 3: of work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've got an old nineteen twenties house, yes,
Speaker 4: and I'd like to put insulation underneath it. I want
Speaker 4: to do it myself. It's not a long room. But
Speaker 4: what I when I first climbed under it all looked
Speaker 4: quite nice because it looked like I had sort of
Speaker 4: big beams or whatever you call those things running all
Speaker 4: the way up their house. But when I measured them,
Speaker 4: they range sort of I'm going from memory now, they
Speaker 4: range from about three twenty up to about four point fifty.
Speaker 4: They weren't the same width right looking at putting in
Speaker 4: some of that polystyrene stuff, and of course that had
Speaker 4: to be cutting it, and I know there's different you
Speaker 4: can get different types of that with different sizes. It
Speaker 4: seemed really deep too. I think it was about one
Speaker 4: fifty two hundred deep standard YEP. And so I was
Speaker 4: down Bunnings the other day and I was looking at
Speaker 4: different types. And you've got like the wooll types, and
Speaker 4: there's there's also stuff that's got a like a lighting
Speaker 4: on it that you can put up. Before I've left,
Speaker 4: I looked at the big sheets of polystyrene because I
Speaker 4: want to try to do it as as easy as
Speaker 4: I can, because i'll be.
Speaker 5: String it on my own.
Speaker 4: Sure, and i put a big sheet of provided at fits,
Speaker 4: and I've got a measure that add up of just
Speaker 4: balistarrene and just don't put it in the gap if
Speaker 4: it's all level, just put it straight across from a gap.
Speaker 3: That's the okay.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting where you're heading with it. So your
Speaker 2: thinking is instead of cutting pieces of insulation and slotting
Speaker 2: them in between the joists, that you would take large
Speaker 2: panels of insulated material and fix them to the underside
Speaker 2: of the joist.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 4: Just wack them straight up and straight across, provided it's
Speaker 4: level and up, and just not come in with a
Speaker 4: with a nail.
Speaker 2: Probably that's I'm just sort of pondering all of the
Speaker 2: steps involved in doing that and and okay, so there's
Speaker 2: going to be a couple of challenges. One is that
Speaker 2: possibly the joists are not going to be particularly level,
Speaker 2: but then again that's not I mean, unless they're massively out,
Speaker 2: it's not really going to make a difference. The other
Speaker 2: thing is how are you going to fix it? Is
Speaker 2: it easy to maneuver a large sheet like that around.
Speaker 2: It would be interesting to know whether the effectiveness of
Speaker 2: the insulation would be either enhanced or diminished by having
Speaker 2: such a large air gap, because effectively you've got that
Speaker 2: space of one hundred and fifty mili.
Speaker 3: It would work if.
Speaker 2: You could make it almost air tight, and that would
Speaker 2: be a real challenge. So essentially, the way that insulation
Speaker 2: works is by trapping air. So what you don't want
Speaker 2: with insulation is the ability for air to move through it.
Speaker 2: So if you've got gaps and cracks or you can't,
Speaker 2: like if you were doing a layer underneath, if you
Speaker 2: had any gaps in there, and you could possibly fill
Speaker 2: those gaps, let's say with expanding foam. So as you
Speaker 2: put one panel up, you do a bead of expanding
Speaker 2: foam along the edge of it, and then you jam
Speaker 2: your next panel into it. But then when you get
Speaker 2: to the perimeter of the house, I suppose you could
Speaker 2: butt into the bearer and do a neat bead of
Speaker 2: seilant of some description or expanding foam through there. Look,
Speaker 2: it's an intriguing notion, and I wouldn't mind actually having
Speaker 2: a conversation with some boffins about it during the week.
Speaker 2: I think that if you look, it might sound like
Speaker 2: it's a cheaper option. I think it will take you
Speaker 2: a lot lot longer to do that than it would
Speaker 2: if you bought the kits of let's say you're going
Speaker 2: to go for expole under floor insulation right that when
Speaker 2: they typically they're made for joys that are either at
Speaker 2: six hundred centers or full fifty centers right, And then
Speaker 2: what you find is that the material is extruded to
Speaker 2: have a certain number of ribs on the edge you
Speaker 2: need to adjust it. You're just running a knife through
Speaker 2: half the thickness of the panel and cutting through the
Speaker 2: like the web that holds that piece on. So it's
Speaker 2: easy to adjust the smaller ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I looked at those and they looked interesting. I
Speaker 4: just thought it might be really messy. I wasn't also
Speaker 4: sure just whether I think we were rated at one
Speaker 4: point four or something, and I'm not sure whether they
Speaker 4: were thick enough.
Speaker 2: One point four is about the minimum standard that we require, right,
Speaker 2: So look, you will get if you've got no insulation
Speaker 2: under there at the moment. You will get a significant
Speaker 2: boost in warmth inside the house and preventing heat loss
Speaker 2: if you insulate the underfloor. I can guarantee you it'll
Speaker 2: make a big difference. If you do it really neatly,
Speaker 2: that you fill all of the gaps. And then while
Speaker 2: you're under there on your way out, if you could
Speaker 2: put a vapor barrier down on the ground, that would
Speaker 2: make a significant difference as well.
Speaker 4: When you stay on the ground, so I can lay
Speaker 4: it on the.
Speaker 3: On the on the soil.
Speaker 4: There rather than stabbing it on the Jewish.
Speaker 2: You know, the vapor barrier goes on the ground. So
Speaker 2: if you're in a nineteen twenties house, chances are you've
Speaker 2: got like vertigal boards around the outside, so you've got
Speaker 2: a reasonable amount of air flow. In fact, if the
Speaker 2: air flow is about twenty five percent of the surface area,
Speaker 2: then the effectiveness of the vapor barrier is not as
Speaker 2: great because you're not trapping air in there or moisture
Speaker 2: underneath that because you've got the air flow. But look,
Speaker 2: in general it makes a significant difference. So combine the
Speaker 2: two things together that will will make a big difference.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I mean.
Speaker 2: If you don't want to do polystyrn, then of course
Speaker 2: you've got that. You've got wall options. You've got autech
Speaker 2: green stuff which is pretty easy to install, comes in
Speaker 2: a long roll, and because it's flexible, you can you
Speaker 2: know if you've got one that's let's say four to
Speaker 2: twenty wide, and another one that's four hundred wide and
Speaker 2: another one that's three seventy, you could use the same
Speaker 2: material because it will just bend in to that space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which one did you call that?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's there's a number of underfloor insulation products. So
Speaker 2: you've probably found the expole, which is the polystyrene. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure which brand of wool insulation you might have
Speaker 2: found there, the one with the paper on it. Now,
Speaker 2: what that's there for? Going back to my earlier comment
Speaker 2: about insulation works by trapping air, so that one that
Speaker 2: has like a blanket attached to it or a lining
Speaker 2: to it stops air entering the insulated space, right, So
Speaker 2: it's what they call a wind wash. It pushes the
Speaker 2: air away or stops the air entering it. So there's
Speaker 2: some advantage to having that as well. And then there's
Speaker 2: the one hundred percent polyester ones, which is the or
Speaker 2: tex one. So there's a couple of options out there.
Speaker 2: You're in for quite a job, but it will be
Speaker 2: worth it, and I commend you for doing it.
Speaker 3: Oh, talk with you all of us. Take care there,
Speaker 3: bye way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bit in the old underfloor insulation I have.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think about that whether or not
Speaker 2: there would actually be a performance boost, let's say, to
Speaker 2: the insulation if you did a continuous layer of polystyrene underneath,
Speaker 2: it's effectively if you've seen some stuff at the moment,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of discussion around warm roofs, right, So
Speaker 2: again it's this whole thing about ensuring that we've got
Speaker 2: continuous insulation around the perimeter of our building. So by
Speaker 2: cutting insulation putting it in between joists or rafters, we're
Speaker 2: creating these thermal bridges, which is where the timber is.
Speaker 2: So a couple of pieces that I've read recently have suggested,
Speaker 2: let's say with roofs, that we do a continuous layer
Speaker 2: of insulation right over the roof, and often that's a
Speaker 2: polystyrene type of product or an EPs product over the
Speaker 2: top of that, and then you fix your roofing material
Speaker 2: down over the top. So if you took that theory
Speaker 2: and you did it to the underfloor, and you may
Speaker 2: it really neat and you ensured that air didn't get
Speaker 2: into the gap between the underside of the flooring and
Speaker 2: where your insulating layer is, and so you had this
Speaker 2: pocket of about one hundred and fifty militer of still
Speaker 2: trapped air with your insulating layer below it would that
Speaker 2: be more effective than having pieces of insulation up against
Speaker 2: the flooring. I might do some reading on that. That's
Speaker 2: very interesting. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 2: the number to call if you've got a question or
Speaker 2: a comment of a building nature or come back with
Speaker 2: this text after the break Hey, Pete, what do you
Speaker 2: think about the new RBNZ So the new Reserve Bank
Speaker 2: of New Zealand income rules will slow down new home building?
Speaker 3: From Josh.
Speaker 2: I will have a think on that during the break
Speaker 2: back in a moment. Just another great text and I
Speaker 2: will come to that in just a moment. Let's do
Speaker 2: this quickly, Pete, do you think that the new Reserve
Speaker 2: Bank of New Zealand income rules will slow down new
Speaker 2: home building? From Josh? So the new rules in a
Speaker 2: nutshell to the best of my ability. And I am
Speaker 2: no economist, although I did have a nice chat with
Speaker 2: an economist at the Radio Awards the other night, which
Speaker 2: was good fun. Is essentially that as a home a
Speaker 2: person wanting to buy your own property, you can borrow
Speaker 2: six times the income, and I presume that what that
Speaker 2: means is household income. So if you're a person on
Speaker 2: your own, it's times your income is where you're lending
Speaker 2: tops out. And if your household, then I presume that
Speaker 2: it's your combined household income and then times six. If
Speaker 2: you're an investor, it's income times seven. Here, I guess
Speaker 2: what it will do is it will limit the crazy
Speaker 2: large mortgages that some people families have ended up having.
Speaker 3: I think, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Look more to the point, new home building has not
Speaker 2: quite ground to a state still, but it's the numbers
Speaker 2: are pretty low right now. I mean, the developers are
Speaker 2: out of the market because the market demand has dropped,
Speaker 2: possibly because of lending rules, most likely simply because interest
Speaker 2: rates are as high as they are and people are
Speaker 2: having some time to adjust to that. Again, you talk
Speaker 2: about interest rates with people, and you know, I know
Speaker 2: my brothers who are a bit older than me. You know,
Speaker 2: when they bought their first houses, they were paying nineteen
Speaker 2: percent interest. I know when we had a mortgage, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty odd years ago, we were paying nine percent or
Speaker 2: I mean, and I had mates who were paying twelve percent.
Speaker 2: So yes, seven percent or six and a half percent
Speaker 2: feels like a lot when we had mortgages at two
Speaker 2: point nine to five and three. But it's not historically
Speaker 2: terribly high numbers. But I think until demand comes back
Speaker 2: into the market, we won't see much more new home building, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: and then we will go into the typical cycle of
Speaker 2: suddenly the market will recover, rice will rise, and it'll
Speaker 2: be and you know, we've figured out that we'll hang
Speaker 2: on if one hundred and something thousand people arrive in
Speaker 2: the country, they've got somewhere to live, and suddenly we've
Speaker 2: got a housing shortage, and so we go back onto
Speaker 2: that treadmill of boom and bust and other quick text too.
Speaker 2: Hey Pete, if warm air rises, how does it go
Speaker 2: down through the floor? Probably poor terminology in my part. Yes,
Speaker 2: you write warm air rises, and as it does, it
Speaker 2: draws cold air in to replace that. So it's a
Speaker 2: convection that happens within a room. And what the underfloor
Speaker 2: insulation does is provide a barrier to that cold air
Speaker 2: coming into the house. So yes, it does rise, it
Speaker 2: doesn't go down through the floor, although heat will escape
Speaker 2: out through the building all over the place. And we
Speaker 2: know that from enormous amounts of research that have been
Speaker 2: done around heat loss from out through our building envelope,
Speaker 2: and it's somewhere around fifteen to twenty percent can go
Speaker 2: down through the floor. Typically it's about anywhere up to
Speaker 2: forty five percent up through the ceilings, a certain amount
Speaker 2: through the glazing, a certain amount through the walls, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So trapping and stopping that air from leaking out and
Speaker 2: taking the heat with it is important in terms of
Speaker 2: draft proofing, but then providing an insulating level that means
Speaker 2: that as you're right, as heat rises, that more cold
Speaker 2: air isn't drawn in from blow hence underfloor insulation. Good
Speaker 2: morning to you, Craig.
Speaker 7: Good morning. How's it going today?
Speaker 3: Hey good? Thanks made yourself.
Speaker 7: I can't complain too much, really got to Yeah, Well,
Speaker 7: people get sick of you complain too much and they
Speaker 7: don't call you back.
Speaker 8: Question.
Speaker 7: I've got to the crude. Mine's got a house down
Speaker 7: and take a rah. It's an oldest stylehouse with a
Speaker 7: basement underneath made out from what we can work out
Speaker 7: some in the blocks. Yes, at below ground level yep.
Speaker 7: But then on the back of the basement there's a
Speaker 7: little tunnel that comes out of it made out of
Speaker 7: it looks like eighteen hundred high drainage of sewage quotes right,
Speaker 7: And then that goes about eighteen meters through it into
Speaker 7: the back section and then it goes into another thing
Speaker 7: made out of cinder blocks, which would we've missed it
Speaker 7: as twenty meters by nine meters in size under the
Speaker 7: ground like an old Yeah, we believe it's probably like
Speaker 7: an old at one stage the old people live. They
Speaker 7: may have been used as a bomb shelter back in
Speaker 7: the oldery because there's an older house.
Speaker 2: I don't know that there was ever a great danger
Speaker 2: of people in Tokaro are being bombed by anybody I know.
Speaker 7: But they grit Temothy back in those days. They may have. Wow,
Speaker 7: it's got a big concrete pipe that comes up for
Speaker 7: a ventilation down the back there, and it's got a
Speaker 7: lot of like those little old stuff things you see
Speaker 7: in buildings with the women just blows the thing around
Speaker 7: a four year into that. But he's got a hip
Speaker 7: pump down in the basement area. And we're wondering whether
Speaker 7: whether there's be an idea to actually get one of those,
Speaker 7: you know, like the fan units you have and like
Speaker 7: the bathroom. She goes up to the ceiling through that
Speaker 7: flexible thing outside, putting one of those in the basement
Speaker 7: you are, and having like solid TVC pipe running down
Speaker 7: their little tunnel piece to the back part to blow
Speaker 7: warm mirror into the other area to try and keep
Speaker 7: the moisture out a little bit.
Speaker 2: So the other area.
Speaker 7: Wow, So yeah, he bought the house. He bought the
Speaker 7: house and moved away some old metal cabinets in the
Speaker 7: corner there's a tunnel, and he goes.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's really really fascinating. It'd be interesting to ask
Speaker 2: around the neighborhood if anyone I suppose it's going back
Speaker 2: a little bit too far, you know, because I.
Speaker 7: Mean that's that's a nineteen forties I think was here.
Speaker 2: Has a lot of material to excavate out. I mean
Speaker 2: it's a lot of effort to do that.
Speaker 3: He would.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to say, all the other houses
Speaker 7: in the area are on sloping sections and those one.
Speaker 3: Flat, so you kind of know where that soil came from.
Speaker 7: The house is like, what was that one flat for it?
Speaker 7: And they didn't realize about it. They move in the
Speaker 7: cabinet out of the way and go, oh wow, Well
Speaker 7: men cav literally.
Speaker 2: Okay, and the moisture that would inevitably be in that
Speaker 2: sort of tunnel that cavern at the back doesn't sort
Speaker 2: of impact on the underfloor of the existing house.
Speaker 7: No, No, it goes out through the back wall. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but we've done it. But digging around the back lawn
Speaker 7: and it seems like the whole thing is covered with
Speaker 7: like the tunnel part gravel on the outside of it,
Speaker 7: on the outside tween they're in the dirt. I mean
Speaker 7: you did when you go through that. There's quite a
Speaker 7: thick like a preboc membrane around it as well, so
Speaker 7: it looks like it's kind of spent a bit of
Speaker 7: time on it. So there's no there's no moisture that
Speaker 7: comes in through the walls. I was worry you probably
Speaker 7: get water leaking through the walls, but there's no like
Speaker 7: salt built up on the on the eastel brooks itself,
Speaker 7: so it doesn't seem to getting any more moisture coming through, right.
Speaker 7: It tends to be a little bit cold.
Speaker 2: But yeah, how how it was absolutely fascinating. Well yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, putting in, yes, putting in vtilation will
Speaker 2: help control moisture, right, so you know, damp ear is
Speaker 2: moisture laden and a little bit of ventilation will help that.
Speaker 2: And I suppose a little bit of heat if they wanted.
Speaker 2: What do they use the space for? Like a I
Speaker 2: mean it would be a very nice wine cellar.
Speaker 7: Nothing at the moment he's looking at possibly turning it
Speaker 7: into a games room, and wow, it's like, well twenty
Speaker 7: meters by talking at the paper now, yeah, it's twenty
Speaker 7: meters wide by about nine nine and a half meters
Speaker 7: deep and the ceiling wow, no concert pads at the
Speaker 7: top is two point four So it's pretty not too
Speaker 7: much feeling, but pretty good. But we just when we
Speaker 7: having them shift in there and mosic cabinet away and
Speaker 7: go what's this for it? And he goes, I don't know,
Speaker 7: so you have become of torches. Walk down it's like
Speaker 7: this goes maybe it's just a little tunnel something or whatever,
Speaker 7: and then it opens up and walked in the big
Speaker 7: ear and like, oh crap, wow, and I guess this
Speaker 7: city you've got. You technically got like a six bedroom
Speaker 7: house now if you put rooms in there, but you
Speaker 7: probably can't because.
Speaker 2: There's no that would never be considered a habitable space.
Speaker 2: But look as like you say, as a workshop or
Speaker 2: a games room or yeah, blimey.
Speaker 3: Anything the zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one thing I thought about doing was maybe cutting
Speaker 7: hole in the corner of the roof on one side
Speaker 7: of it and put it in maybe external access, just
Speaker 7: in case, you know, for a you can get out
Speaker 7: through there as well. We would be a little bit
Speaker 7: safe safe could probably do.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's got to be some fairly significant engineering
Speaker 2: in that roof as well, because an unsupported or their
Speaker 2: posts through the middle of it.
Speaker 7: There's big message rjs that run from one end of
Speaker 7: the building long ways right from one end to the other,
Speaker 7: and I like the sho rsts is probably about I
Speaker 7: think from what we can remember. What I can remember
Speaker 7: about six and a half million flicks steels, so the
Speaker 7: guys and it's all like bolted through with the I
Speaker 7: think the guy must have been an engineer or something
Speaker 7: because it's overcoll for what it is.
Speaker 2: You got to remember that like mung Akino and that
Speaker 2: were often there was all of that work that was
Speaker 2: done on the hydro center right on the tunneling when
Speaker 2: they created the hydro dams and the hydro system back
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3: Because we used to visit.
Speaker 2: A family friend in mung A Kino back then, and
Speaker 2: he was a bricklayer and he'd been involved in that
Speaker 2: whole area. That was a huge part of the industry
Speaker 2: at that time. And you just wonder whether someone who
Speaker 2: kind of you know, worked all day doing tunneling for
Speaker 2: the hydro system comes home and carries on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it brought a few supplies, that's right, and quickly.
Speaker 9: I think it's just going.
Speaker 7: To mention quickly was the guy putting the insulation across
Speaker 7: the joys and all that. The only problem I can
Speaker 7: see down the track is if you have a problem
Speaker 7: with plumbing electrical, you're going.
Speaker 3: To can't see it. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you need to cut the whole thing out to
Speaker 7: try and find where the pipe runs and then trying
Speaker 7: to seal that back. And again it's just would be easier.
Speaker 7: I would thought they have the insights between the jaw
Speaker 7: and you can just pop them out and then put
Speaker 7: it back.
Speaker 2: And if you're require Yeah, and I tend to agree
Speaker 2: with I think that it sounds like a great I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm just laughing because I've just got to text them
Speaker 2: from someone going that's a breaking bad drug factory.
Speaker 3: There was a comic around into hydroponics.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I've got to go down here in a
Speaker 7: couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Anyway, you take a photo or something like that, I
Speaker 2: see it to you, that would be awesome, that would
Speaker 2: be awesome.
Speaker 7: We'll see if we can sort of timber put a
Speaker 7: couple of hanging pockwards from the rail house and then
Speaker 7: and then you go through the tunnel and bottom parts.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I don't know what the guy was thinking, what he
Speaker 7: was on, but as you say, preparing for this or whatever,
Speaker 7: but yeah, we made probably a good wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey, fantastic call. Really appreciate it and
Speaker 2: all they touch.
Speaker 3: Take care.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: One of the best things about the show for me personally,
Speaker 2: and I know I should include you, but I'm just
Speaker 2: speaking selfishly for a moment is that every now and
Speaker 2: then you have a conversation that you would never ever
Speaker 2: ever have expected to have, And that would be pretty
Speaker 2: high on my list of.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming because even you stay in
Speaker 2: the car, I'm driving around with the sun and he goes, so,
Speaker 2: what's on the show tomorrow? And I said, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I know what I what guessed
Speaker 2: We have in the next hour, and I know that
Speaker 2: Rood's going to be on, but apart from that, I
Speaker 2: have no idea what we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 2: And he said, so, what have you prepared? And I go, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I read stuff all week and I'm engaged,
Speaker 2: and that's sort of thing that I don't. I do
Speaker 2: prepare for the show, but I don't prepare in terms
Speaker 2: of Hey, today we're going to be talking about X,
Speaker 2: Y or Z. And to be fair, I would never
Speaker 2: have expected that we would be talking about an underground
Speaker 2: bunker and a secret passageway at the back of a basement.
Speaker 3: Ink.
Speaker 2: That's fabulous, and yes, thank you for all the text
Speaker 2: messages about what you could do with that space. We'll
Speaker 2: take short break. We'll be back with Steve in just
Speaker 2: a moment. I'm still smiling, to be fair about that
Speaker 2: last conversation. I mean, what a remarkable discovery. So essentially,
Speaker 2: in the basement you pull aside some cabinets, there's a
Speaker 2: tunnel literally one point eight meter diameter pipes that leads
Speaker 2: down to a twenty by six basement underground and look,
Speaker 2: I get the texts about you know, the potential modern
Speaker 2: day uses for that space.
Speaker 3: I suspect that, given that.
Speaker 2: It was done back in the day, those non legal
Speaker 2: activities are probably unlikely to have been the motivation for
Speaker 2: that space. Fascinating though, isn't it. Hey, Steve, good morning
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 7: Good Steve Pete. Just wanted to talk about the DTIAR.
Speaker 7: You're talking about the economic environment, Yeah, sure, and the
Speaker 7: effectives having on the building and street. What I'm seeing
Speaker 7: is that it's absolutely pretty dire out there and it's
Speaker 7: almost collapsing. And I'm predicting New Zealand, the New Zealand
Speaker 7: construction industry, I think may lose up to fifteen to
Speaker 7: twenty percent of its workers and a lot of those
Speaker 7: will probably be new unfortunately, newly minted builders who have
Speaker 7: probably gone out on their own because they just don't
Speaker 7: have the networks for support themselves. And it'll be guys
Speaker 7: people who have got into it. And this is another
Speaker 7: bug bear in mind. Remember when just Finder and Labor government,
Speaker 7: we're just pushing trades training like it's the greatest thing
Speaker 7: on earth. It's just going to keep on going. You're
Speaker 7: going to make lots of money. That brought in a
Speaker 7: lot of people who probably shouldn't have been The building industry.
Speaker 7: They didn't really have a natural aptitude or enjoyment for it.
Speaker 7: And you know that annoyed me because they treated the
Speaker 7: building industry like it was just a dumping ground. And
Speaker 7: why should it be any different to say the law industry, Right,
Speaker 7: you're not going to say that everyone can go under law.
Speaker 7: You need a natural have to choose the things, don't you.
Speaker 7: And the building industry was treated like a bit of
Speaker 7: a dumping ground for people, and they don't realize that
Speaker 7: building industry is a bloody half place and unless you
Speaker 7: actually like it out there in the grind.
Speaker 2: Right, And I guess you know you and I and
Speaker 2: with growth respect, we're probably about the same age, and
Speaker 2: so we've probably been through these downturns, right, and we
Speaker 2: kind of know that we enjoy the good times while
Speaker 2: they're out there, but ideally you're squirreling away a bit
Speaker 2: of cash or you're reducing debt because you know that
Speaker 2: it doesn't last, right, and enjoy it while it's there.
Speaker 2: And I guess I have been for the last couple
Speaker 2: of years, but worried, you know, looking around when it
Speaker 2: was boom times and there's lots of new vehicles and
Speaker 2: there's lots of new jet skis, and there's guys buying
Speaker 2: boats and all the rest of it. And I'm going,
Speaker 2: you know what, there's going to come a time when
Speaker 2: you might need that cash just to keep your business going.
Speaker 7: So it is the first thing to say that exactly
Speaker 7: the same thought made all those young guys gone out
Speaker 7: buying these new ranges and all that. And it's like
Speaker 7: because they thought the party would never end, and look
Speaker 7: at the last ten years and said, you know, we
Speaker 7: kicked off after the GFC. It was like that, wasn't it.
Speaker 7: I started, God, are not is this going to keep
Speaker 7: going for forty fifty years? I never went out on
Speaker 7: a spending spree. No, you want to try and reduce
Speaker 7: your mortgage, you get, But do you know what the
Speaker 7: problem is that we get this talk about Okay, you know,
Speaker 7: get yourself a bit of a get it head of
Speaker 7: yourself right reduced there and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: But you might even get yourself a decent sort of
Speaker 7: personal reserve, right bit of money in the bank, have
Speaker 7: your mortgage down, but if you've got living expenses, if
Speaker 7: you don't have work within three months, even when you
Speaker 7: have no debt, you can go down very quickly, even
Speaker 7: in those circum stance is just due to the costel living,
Speaker 7: having to support your family with just the day to
Speaker 7: day belts. Now, these guys who are on one point by,
Speaker 7: you know, these couples have got themselves and like over
Speaker 7: a million dollars and they're now gone from three to
Speaker 7: four percent up to seven point five percent with no
Speaker 7: you know reprieve. They're suffering now. And people, look, I'm
Speaker 7: self employed, right the zimon stros can be a builder,
Speaker 7: got restudying and got into architecture. So yeah, I started
Speaker 7: that the same time as you, and I started my
Speaker 7: apprenticeship just after share market crash in eighty seven. And
Speaker 7: this feels like then, not even if it feels worse
Speaker 7: on GESC. And I'm getting multiple people calling me now
Speaker 7: which I've never had, looking for work, and I'm not
Speaker 7: even I don't hire a building here that I'm an
Speaker 7: architectal And maybe I'm just.
Speaker 2: In that sense, I'm not too dissimilar to you where
Speaker 2: I've I've had a couple of takes and a few
Speaker 2: phone calls over the last couple of months from I
Speaker 2: suppose people that I've worked with over the years who
Speaker 2: have never been short of work. Who are suddenly going, hey,
Speaker 2: you know I've got even if they've got no work,
Speaker 2: Suddenly they don't have one job rolling on to another.
Speaker 2: And you know, every day you're sitting at home, you're
Speaker 2: going backwards, right. And I think the other thing that's
Speaker 2: turned around pretty quick is eighteen months ago you just
Speaker 2: if someone rang and said I want you to do
Speaker 2: a job, you just go, here's my rates, and if
Speaker 2: you pay it, I'll start. And so people weren't pricing,
Speaker 2: and I suppose in that sense, to be fair, there
Speaker 2: was a little bit of complacency that crept in. Right, Hey,
Speaker 2: I don't have to price for work. I don't have
Speaker 2: to try and stay on top of my cost that much.
Speaker 2: People will pay me whatever I feel like. And that's
Speaker 2: gone suddenly. So it's fairly competitive. And for those that
Speaker 2: haven't worked really hard at building up their network, you
Speaker 2: know their clients because I think again, most of us
Speaker 2: that have been around for a while, we've ended up
Speaker 2: with those clients that might come to us when things
Speaker 2: are quiet. I've put off doing a job because I
Speaker 2: was waiting for the right time, and now might be
Speaker 2: that right time, and the other I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to move on. But The other comment that I would
Speaker 2: make too talking to a number of people is this
Speaker 2: is arguably exactly the time that the government should be
Speaker 2: pumping the building sector in terms of stuff that they
Speaker 2: need to get done. And I'm involved in schools and
Speaker 2: that decision to abandon a whole lot of school building
Speaker 2: and extension programs. I understand why they did it, because
Speaker 2: I think nobody had a real idea of what the
Speaker 2: costs were. But if you need to build, and you
Speaker 2: need to build public stuff, housing, schools, hospitals, do it
Speaker 2: right now because right now is the opportunity that you
Speaker 2: can control your costs a little bit better, there's much
Speaker 2: more availability. Now is the time to do it, because
Speaker 2: inevitably we'll come out of this, right I think.
Speaker 7: Again, Yeah, environment, and I tell you it's not different.
Speaker 2: That's the slightly worrying thing is that, you know the
Speaker 2: number of people that I've talked to.
Speaker 7: Just quick, quick, quickly, when people were talking about the
Speaker 7: high interest rates my seventies when they were like seventies,
Speaker 7: but they actually got their mortgages at that time and
Speaker 7: then interest rates started coming down, So yeah, there were
Speaker 7: times they were already stress tested at that high interest rate.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 7: These young We've got a whole lot of people who
Speaker 7: are stress tested at three percent now and it all
Speaker 7: gone up to seven percent.
Speaker 2: No, I think that anyone who got loans at three
Speaker 2: percent and to be fair onm in that boat, you know,
Speaker 2: I know that the bank behind the scenes were testing
Speaker 2: it at seven seven and a half percent.
Speaker 3: But we're close to that now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I look, it's not pretty out there, and
Speaker 2: it's I was really hoping that we would see some
Speaker 2: green shoots around September, October, November. Now I'm thinking, really,
Speaker 2: you've got to hang until the beginning well into next year,
Speaker 2: maybe quarter two of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, And the government's kind of have to bring
Speaker 7: in people, mate, They're going to have to open up
Speaker 7: that floodgates actually stay the country.
Speaker 2: I think, Well, I don't know whether I mean arguably
Speaker 2: that that's like a full stimulus to the economy.
Speaker 3: I just wonder whether No.
Speaker 7: But we need it, mate. It's the only I think
Speaker 7: it's the only tangible thing that can bring money into
Speaker 7: this country. And it's always saved us. We connect at
Speaker 7: ourselves thinking we're our own little engine and we can
Speaker 7: do it all ourselves with our own This number why
Speaker 7: mentality has proven to be a pelvis you.
Speaker 2: I agree that we probably need you know, I've just
Speaker 2: been in Melbourne, right and Melbourne's five million people just
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, so I can see you know, you can
Speaker 2: see the scale of.
Speaker 3: The economy there.
Speaker 2: So I don't disgree with you about population numbers, whether
Speaker 2: or not we by bringing a whole lot of people
Speaker 2: suddenly we actually just exacerbate the issues, or whether I
Speaker 2: really do firmly believe like right now is the time
Speaker 2: for government to be going. Actually, you know what if
Speaker 2: we need to do some school building, throw away those
Speaker 2: old contracts for sure. But you go to the market
Speaker 2: right now and I think you get.
Speaker 3: Really good rates.
Speaker 2: Good of you to call, really appreciate the comment and
Speaker 2: the insight. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We've
Speaker 2: got new sport and we're the top of the are.
Speaker 2: But before then, Jason, good morning to you, good.
Speaker 6: Morning, good money.
Speaker 10: I'm Jason Allen.
Speaker 11: I'm a driver of God.
Speaker 6: I was with him.
Speaker 2: And then I well, I might be off to mass
Speaker 2: later on today. I'm not sure that we want to
Speaker 2: talk about that right now. I'll tell you what, Daryl,
Speaker 2: if you don't mind, just hold on till after the news,
Speaker 2: because otherwise we'll end up crashing into the news and
Speaker 2: it'll be a hastily wrapped up conversation. A couple of
Speaker 2: text messages, Pete, what's the best product out there to
Speaker 2: keep gutters clear of leaves?
Speaker 3: We've got very high gutters.
Speaker 2: It's extremely difficult to reach them from donner. Look, there's
Speaker 2: a couple of options out there. There are sort of
Speaker 2: the permanent solutions. I a mesh that's fixed down onto
Speaker 2: the roofing itself, whether it's concrete tiles or long run
Speaker 2: and then fixed down onto the gutter and so material
Speaker 2: just shoot right across the top of them. That's out there.
Speaker 2: There are a couple of sort of more DIY solutions,
Speaker 2: so like the gutter foam for example, or the whiskers
Speaker 2: that you can lay in. They require a little bit
Speaker 2: of maintenance. The gutafoam one I have used a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I kind of like it in the sense that
Speaker 2: it provides a flat surface and the leaves don't get
Speaker 2: stuck in it. I've got one place that I look
Speaker 2: after that has the bristles like a bottlebrush type thing
Speaker 2: that sits in there, but leaves will get trapped in it.
Speaker 2: So every now and then, in fact, it's on my
Speaker 2: list of things to do, pull those all out rints
Speaker 2: out the gutters and go back. There are also some
Speaker 2: people who do gutter cleaning using a vacuum, like on
Speaker 2: a periscope type vacuum, so they'll come and suck that out. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can do it. So there's a couple of options there.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about screw popping and someone previous I had
Speaker 2: previously mentioned a product or a mixture that has good
Speaker 2: results from removing black mold on timber windows.
Speaker 3: Oxalic acid. Oxalic acid.
Speaker 2: You can make it up into a little pain invited
Speaker 2: chemist and apply that and it helps to It's like
Speaker 2: a poultice and it draws out that stain. You can
Speaker 2: also buy I've noticed at some of the hardware stores,
Speaker 2: like a stain remover for timber as well, effectively oxalic acid,
Speaker 2: but already in a package ready to use. It might
Speaker 2: take a few more calls with regard to some of
Speaker 2: those issues around the state of the economy and building,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I firmly believe that now would be a
Speaker 2: good time for the government to get into the building game.
Speaker 3: Back after the breaks.
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Speaker 2: A very good morning. Welcome back to the program. It's
Speaker 2: Pete Wolf came the Reason Builder here at News Talk
Speaker 2: c B for the Reason Builder on Sunday and we're
Speaker 2: taking your calls on all things building construction ideas around
Speaker 2: insulation this morning. A fantastic story from Craig. Seriously, I've
Speaker 2: never ever heard of something like the subterranean structure that
Speaker 2: was discovered. It makes place after they bought a house
Speaker 2: in the Central North Island. I'm now going to be
Speaker 2: slightly secretive about the location just in case it generates
Speaker 2: a lot of unwanted interest. So fascinating story. In a basement,
Speaker 2: pull aside some cabinet, there's what looks like a tunnel
Speaker 2: and it really is leading to another entire subterranean space,
Speaker 2: a chamber located in the backyard, vast proportions as well.
Speaker 2: Fascinating story. And then we have kind of straight into
Speaker 2: I guess stuff that's not strictly related to the nuts
Speaker 2: and bolts of building, but the state of the building
Speaker 2: sector is of genuine concern, both to people who are
Speaker 2: working into it and to the economy in general. We're
Speaker 2: about building sector is about fifteen percent of GDP right,
Speaker 2: so if it's having a hard time, it's indicative and
Speaker 2: reflective of the economy having a hard time. I was
Speaker 2: at a pre cut pre nail manufacturer this week picking
Speaker 2: up some materials.
Speaker 3: And had a bit of a chat and I said,
Speaker 3: how are you going?
Speaker 2: He said, well, it's pretty quiet. We're down close to
Speaker 2: fifty percent. Now that's a significant drop in output. And
Speaker 2: went on to chat for a little while, and they've
Speaker 2: let a couple of people go, and I'm sort of going, well,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that people who you know, if they're on
Speaker 2: the floor in the factory and you're letting them go,
Speaker 2: you know what sorts of jobs are they're going to
Speaker 2: be able to find. It's not easy and throughout the
Speaker 2: construction sector. You're hearing this all of the time, so
Speaker 2: anyway we might have some further discussion on that. I
Speaker 2: actually was at the Radio Awards. Brad Olsen was there,
Speaker 2: who's a regular contributor to various parts of zb's show,
Speaker 2: and again we were talking about the construction sector and
Speaker 2: what sort of green shoots he might see. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: might be a while. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 2: is the number to call. We're talking all things building
Speaker 2: and Darryl, thanks for waiting.
Speaker 14: Good morning to you, Good morning, Pete, thank you very
Speaker 14: much for having me on pleasure. Just yeah, So I've
Speaker 14: got an older house that's got no roof space. So
Speaker 14: if you stand inside, like say the lounge, dining room,
Speaker 14: kitchen area, which is all open plan, you've got a
Speaker 14: center being with the rafters coming off that you can
Speaker 14: see exposed with a jib up in between the rafters. Yes,
Speaker 14: very hot in summer, very cold in winter.
Speaker 8: Yep.
Speaker 14: So I've been looking at insulating. It Is that a
Speaker 14: matter of just snapping another layer of jib and framing
Speaker 14: underneath the rafters or do I have to look higher
Speaker 14: up and look at the roof itself.
Speaker 2: I guess because if you look at a cross section
Speaker 2: through there, you're right, you're what you see when you're
Speaker 2: standing there looking up is the rafters, and then there'll
Speaker 2: be is it actually jib or is it like a
Speaker 2: sheathing over the top of the rafters, and then if
Speaker 2: you were to look above that, you'd find a perlin. Now,
Speaker 2: depending on when the house was built, you might find
Speaker 2: that those perlins are a four to two, so ninety
Speaker 2: x forty five on edge, So you've got a ninety
Speaker 2: mili space with some insulation in there. So the insulation
Speaker 2: that they might have been able to put in there
Speaker 2: is possibly around R two. New Building Code requirements would
Speaker 2: mean that that should be R six point six, so
Speaker 2: more than three times the amount that you've gotten there,
Speaker 2: or even in the last couple of years, you'd expect
Speaker 2: there to be somewhere around R three point six, so
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty millimeters of insulation, which you
Speaker 2: definitely won't have.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 2: On top of that would be your roofing material. So
Speaker 2: you've got two options. One is, if you really like
Speaker 2: the look of the rafters, the exposed rafters, the depth
Speaker 2: of the rafter and the underside of the sarking or
Speaker 2: the ceiling. It's there, then it's take the roof off,
Speaker 2: increase the depth up there, and add more insulation to that.
Speaker 3: If you could tolerate.
Speaker 2: Let's say, let's do you know roughly what size the
Speaker 2: rafters are. Are they one fifty two hundred to fifty Like.
Speaker 14: If I measured them from in the actual house up
Speaker 14: to the job, they're looking at about forty with the
Speaker 14: layer of job.
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, So you know what you could do is
Speaker 2: put seventy five one hundred millimeters of insulation into the
Speaker 2: gaps in between the rafters and then fit new plaster
Speaker 2: board in there, and that would that would give you
Speaker 2: a significant boost because you'd add that number to whatever
Speaker 2: insulation you've got above the sheathing layer, and the two
Speaker 2: combined would give you a reasonable amount of insulation. And
Speaker 2: then what you would end up is with only fifty
Speaker 2: millimeters projection of that rafter, so you'd have some of
Speaker 2: the look of that cathedral ceiling, but not as much.
Speaker 2: So that would be that's relatively straightforward. You could also
Speaker 2: take an option and just go, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: going to lose that detail in the ceiling and I'm
Speaker 2: going to strap straight underneath the rafters and fill that
Speaker 2: entire space with insulation. That would give you a quite
Speaker 2: significant amount of insulation. It will feel like the rooms
Speaker 2: a bit smaller and that the ceiling has come down,
Speaker 2: but it would definitely give you a lot of insulation.
Speaker 14: Would I have to look at any sort of having
Speaker 14: two layers of jib plus the framing twice for natural
Speaker 14: structure of the building that actually carry all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, if you've got access to an
Speaker 2: engineer or to a drafts person who or an architect
Speaker 2: who could do some calculations, I think it's probably worth considering.
Speaker 2: In reality, I don't know that adding one layer of
Speaker 2: plaster board and some insulation is going to stress the
Speaker 2: existing timber there to the point where you know you're
Speaker 2: worried about a collapse or something like that. But it's
Speaker 2: worth considering, And certainly it's one of the issues about
Speaker 2: oh well, if I put a new ceiling on, that's
Speaker 2: then I've got two ceilings. And you know, plasterboard still
Speaker 2: has a certain weight per square meter and you'd want
Speaker 2: to calculate that, and insulation itself is relatively lightweight and
Speaker 2: it's evenly distributed, so I think it's unlikely and Again,
Speaker 2: if you did opt for, let's say, putting a whole
Speaker 2: new ceiling underneath your existing choice, and you did do
Speaker 2: some calculation and found that the span the depth of
Speaker 2: the member was not sufficient for the span, you could
Speaker 2: always add another choice next to it and starting to
Speaker 2: become quite a big job. But that would or a
Speaker 2: flitch or something like that. But I think most likely
Speaker 2: it would be okay, and.
Speaker 14: You wouldn't have to worry about creating a cavity of
Speaker 14: no sort of ventilation in that cavity, not.
Speaker 2: In that cavity there. One of the concerns with that
Speaker 2: type of style roof is that often we have insufficient
Speaker 2: ventilation over the top of the insulation underneath the iron.
Speaker 2: So again, if they've taken a ninety x forty five
Speaker 2: and put that on edge as the perlin over the
Speaker 2: top of the sarking layer, ideally that shouldn't be full
Speaker 2: of insulation to the very top, because then you've got
Speaker 2: your roofing underlay over there and there should be an
Speaker 2: insulation get which means of course that they don't have
Speaker 2: ninety mili of insulation up there. It might only be
Speaker 2: it might only be fifty mili of insulation.
Speaker 14: I don't have opened some things in this house, and
Speaker 14: that it does look poorly built. So I'm not sure
Speaker 14: that would be an option. It was built sort of
Speaker 14: late sixties, early seventies.
Speaker 3: See, they may not.
Speaker 14: Take one of those cheaper sort of houses.
Speaker 2: Hey, look there may not be any insulation there at all.
Speaker 2: And look, you know we're earlier on we were talking
Speaker 2: about sort of underfloor insulation and this idea of having
Speaker 2: a continuous layer of insulation. If you you know, like
Speaker 2: if the roof, this is the other thing to consider.
Speaker 2: If the roof is from the original house, it's probably
Speaker 2: coming to the end of its life, right, So if
Speaker 2: you have an assessment, an overall assessment of the building
Speaker 2: condition and you go, actually, I think I'm a couple
Speaker 2: of years away from having to replace the roof as
Speaker 2: part of regular maintenance, that would be an opportunity. If
Speaker 2: you're going to take the roof off, you could then
Speaker 2: add more insulation or a different type of insulation, something
Speaker 2: that's more effective in terms of like an EPs board
Speaker 2: or something like that, like a dense polystyrene board to that,
Speaker 2: and then do the reroof. Now, that's uneconomic if you're
Speaker 2: pulling off a roof, that's still got some life to it,
Speaker 2: but if it's reached the end of its life, then
Speaker 2: you could go, well, actually, I'm going to take the
Speaker 2: roof off. I'm going to add my insulation there. Then
Speaker 2: I don't have to do anything. There's no disruption to
Speaker 2: the inside of the house. I'm adding my insulation, and
Speaker 2: if it's well detailed, you could end up with a
Speaker 2: really continuous layer of insulation, effectively a warm roof, which
Speaker 2: would be very very effective. But you've got to take
Speaker 2: a whole of building approach to it.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, the roof doesn't look too bad, so
Speaker 14: I think probably framing and doing something underneath is probably
Speaker 14: the easiest best option.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because look, a reroof is going to start
Speaker 2: sort of in the thirty thousand dollar bracket and go
Speaker 2: up from there, whereas you know, doing something on the underside. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I suppose the most cost effective is probably to investigate
Speaker 2: an insulation layer that's like a semi rigid one that
Speaker 2: has reasonable For example, if you look at Kingspan, right, Kingspan, Yeah,
Speaker 2: make a product which is insulation adhered to plasterboard. So
Speaker 2: in your situation, you could think about taking whatever little
Speaker 2: beating is off around that's around the perimeter of the rafters,
Speaker 2: cutting neatly. You know, a plasterboard that's already got insulation
Speaker 2: on it, fixing that up directly, reinstating the bee, doing
Speaker 2: the stopping, and there you've got insulation, and with that
Speaker 2: would be kind of the minimum disruption or the least
Speaker 2: disruptive methodology. Okay, it's an option anyway, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And as it I've spent a bit of
Speaker 2: time this week just going through sort of brands articles
Speaker 2: that I've had sitting on my desk for a while.
Speaker 2: And if you're interested in this area, have a look
Speaker 2: at the brand's website. There's a sort of a really
Speaker 2: good index of a whole lot of articles around insulation, retrofitting, upgrading,
Speaker 2: and so on. So brand's website's really helpful.
Speaker 14: No, that's perfect.
Speaker 3: Look at that, tummuch, enjoy, good luck, Thank you all
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Speaker 2: What I like about the conversation that we just had
Speaker 2: with Darryl is around considering your options, because there are
Speaker 2: always going to be options, right, there's not always just
Speaker 2: one way of doing something. Excuse me, right, might have
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Speaker 3: C supply Z me your news talk z B.
Speaker 2: We need to say the slower obviously these days interesting texts.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of these come through.
Speaker 2: The problem is the pricing to build a house or
Speaker 2: getting renovations done has got to a level it's outrageous.
Speaker 2: The tradesmen will have to work, but there's too many
Speaker 2: will have work, but there's still too many cowboys out there. Look,
Speaker 2: it's been an issue in the industry for as long
Speaker 2: as I've been building, and for a long time before me,
Speaker 2: and probably for a long time after me. And I
Speaker 2: guess some of that comes down to the discernment.
Speaker 3: Of the client, you know.
Speaker 2: And I remember years ago talking with someone and she
Speaker 2: had a small renovation and she got I think it
Speaker 2: was twelve p for the work right, and took the
Speaker 2: cheapest price and then wondered why it didn't go well. So,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe part of this is also, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: cowboys are out there, but they're only getting your money
Speaker 2: if you give it to them. Oh wait, one hundred
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighties. Then I would call Rheann, good morning
Speaker 2: to you, sir, very well, how can I help?
Speaker 5: I just have a question in regards to retaining wall.
Speaker 5: Mine was damaged in Auckland floods last year.
Speaker 14: Yep.
Speaker 5: Now my issue is my property border is a small reserve.
Speaker 5: Now it was constructed the house mid eighties. I can't
Speaker 5: find any record on a property file of retaining wall.
Speaker 5: The counsel has come back. They say they can't find
Speaker 5: any record of them constructing a retaining wall. And it
Speaker 5: appears originally one of us constructed that ground was sort
Speaker 5: of fairly even on both sides. My assessement would be
Speaker 5: it was more put up, you know, to be sufficient
Speaker 5: to do landscaping inside my section and stuff. Now it
Speaker 5: was pushed out a meter and a half or fifteen
Speaker 5: fifteen meters stretch, and in some places on the reserve
Speaker 5: there's a large L shape. Some places it's sort of
Speaker 5: when all the concrete has been exposed. How the original
Speaker 5: post only looks to be maybe I would say one
Speaker 5: point five to one point eight meters, and the geotech
Speaker 5: assessment says I now have to put it and a
Speaker 5: half meter long file into the soil there. It's is
Speaker 5: there anything that where it was originally constructed depends the
Speaker 5: liability for it or.
Speaker 2: Look, and it's probably not news that you would want
Speaker 2: to hear. But my approach would be if the retaining
Speaker 2: war is on your property, So if you if the
Speaker 2: boundary is determined right, either by a surveyor coming to
Speaker 2: do a boundary survey, or whether there are existing boundary
Speaker 2: markers in place, if the wall is on your side
Speaker 2: of the boundary, then it's your problem to deal with.
Speaker 2: And so because it would have been added for the
Speaker 2: benefit of your property, the fact that it happens to
Speaker 2: your neighbor happens to be the counsel in terms of
Speaker 2: a public reserve kind of really doesn't come into it.
Speaker 2: So it would have been in my experience, it would
Speaker 2: have been unusual for it to have been added for
Speaker 2: the benefit of the council and then become their responsibility.
Speaker 2: So I think if you if you know where the
Speaker 2: boundary is and the walls on your side, it's going
Speaker 2: to become your responsibility. Now you could try. And interestingly enough,
Speaker 2: when we had Hamish Firth, a town planner and with
Speaker 2: us last week in the studio, there was a similar
Speaker 2: question where someone realized that a lot of the water
Speaker 2: that flowed onto their property during those flood events last
Speaker 2: year came from a council reserve. So does council have
Speaker 2: a responsibility to maintain that area to ensure that it
Speaker 2: doesn't become a nuisance to you? Possibly they do. With
Speaker 2: all of the things that council have got to deal
Speaker 2: with in terms of flooding, your chances of getting anything
Speaker 2: from them is I think just about zero right now realistically.
Speaker 2: And then I guess if you're going to build a
Speaker 2: retaining wall on the boundary, that triggers a requirement for
Speaker 2: specific design because it's on the boundary, and that would
Speaker 2: mean that then you've got to listen to what the
Speaker 2: engineer is telling you, and engineers are risk averse. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: your piles that used to be a meter and a
Speaker 2: half long have now become six meter ones. And I
Speaker 2: know the cost involved in doing something like that. You know,
Speaker 2: potentially you're going to be spending tens if not maybe
Speaker 2: even over one hundred thousand dollars rebuilding a retaining wall
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's why I'm wondering. So that all depends
Speaker 5: on where it was originally constructed or is it where
Speaker 5: it's sitting now?
Speaker 2: No, I well, let's say it's now further into your
Speaker 2: property because it's collapsed. But if the base of the
Speaker 2: original retaining wall is clearly within your property, then it
Speaker 2: is definitely for your benefit, and I think unfortunate. Well,
Speaker 2: it means that you're responsible for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, the other way that the slipper is on
Speaker 5: the slip and the and the lots of soilers on
Speaker 5: the reserve side pushed out into the into the reserve.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: If the wall though, is on your side of the
Speaker 2: boundary and it's collapsed and it's gone into the council reserve,
Speaker 2: then you're still responsible for it, because again I would
Speaker 2: have suspected that the wall was built to then raise
Speaker 2: the level of your property to give you a level area,
Speaker 2: rather than having been built to allow council to have
Speaker 2: excavated down or something like that. So typically when we
Speaker 2: build a retaining wall, we do it for the purpose
Speaker 2: either of the high side or the low side. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's either we put one on the wall on
Speaker 2: the boundary because we need to excavate down to get
Speaker 2: our slab down so we can get a house at
Speaker 2: a certain height, or we put one on the boundary
Speaker 2: because we want to raise the level to create some
Speaker 2: level area. And I suspect that that wall has been
Speaker 2: built on your property for your benefit and so again
Speaker 2: you're going to be responsible for it.
Speaker 5: Are they liable stabilized reserve because obviously that would make
Speaker 5: certain more last much longer, will make it much cheaper
Speaker 5: and less invasive on the scope of work.
Speaker 2: As in a change the contour of the reserve to
Speaker 2: sort of buttress your property.
Speaker 5: Ah, there's to stabilize the soil because the slip is
Speaker 5: four when it happened, it's migrated like the met sort
Speaker 5: of a ul slip. Somebody I was told by someone,
Speaker 5: because it's not developed land by the council, they're not
Speaker 5: liable to keep it in any condition or do any
Speaker 5: remediation because it's not developed lands.
Speaker 4: That correct.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably correct. And I just know that
Speaker 2: at the moment, for everything that they've got to deal with,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get much out of them, and
Speaker 2: you can. You could spend a long time bashing your
Speaker 2: head against the wall trying to get something out of
Speaker 2: council and you probably won't. So I just think you
Speaker 2: won't get just yeah. I think ultimately it comes down
Speaker 2: to you're going to have to rebuild the wall, and
Speaker 2: it's going to cost you, and it's probably going to
Speaker 2: cost you a significant amount unfortunately, could you? But can
Speaker 2: you claim this on insurance because you know, retaining walls
Speaker 2: typically part of your insurance policy.
Speaker 5: I I you said, well, obviously they do cost of
Speaker 5: repairs or lots of land, whichever is lower. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I've got very lower amount, and that's about fifty short
Speaker 5: of what the cost of the wall would be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I you know, I think in this instance,
Speaker 2: any contribution you can get, either through insurance or equ see,
Speaker 2: I'd grab it with both hands and then it's going
Speaker 2: to take some of the pain out of your wallet.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what I was hoping, if I can
Speaker 5: get some some the council and saying it's a little
Speaker 5: bit of that as well. But if you say being
Speaker 5: against the.
Speaker 2: Wind, yeah, and if you had advice obviously from either
Speaker 2: an engineer or or someone involved in geotque or civil.
Speaker 5: Works, uh the sea see geotech. Hey, they did a
Speaker 5: statesment on it. They came out with a didn't meet
Speaker 5: a long while, yeah, and oil et cetera.
Speaker 2: M be interesting to sort of get your own opinion.
Speaker 2: I guess you may have to pay for it. I
Speaker 2: presume around you're in auckland somewhere.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's great, and as happy as I am in
Speaker 5: the whole street or area, it's only out property was affected.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you leave your number because I might get
Speaker 2: someone that I know to give you a call. Alright, alright,
Speaker 2: leave you number, good luck, all right, all the best
Speaker 2: to take care, all right, all the best. Ye bye
Speaker 2: by then, and along the same lines a text that's
Speaker 2: just come in.
Speaker 3: Actually, Pete.
Speaker 2: My question is I have a property which has water
Speaker 2: coming down from a neighboring property onto my property, and
Speaker 2: it's a torrent at times like a river. Does the
Speaker 2: neighbor have to have a drainage system to divert the
Speaker 2: water away from my property? Is a legal requirement for
Speaker 2: them to have it? Thank you from Dean. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: we've discussed this a couple of times on the program.
Speaker 2: So the issue is, and it's quite fascinating. If it's
Speaker 2: undisturbed land, If it's natural land, so maybe a reserve
Speaker 2: or we're talking farming areas, rural areas and so on.
Speaker 2: There isn't because that's just the natural flow of the land.
Speaker 2: But as soon as there's an intervention i e. Somebody
Speaker 2: builds something, the requirement is that all of us are
Speaker 2: as homeowners. If we're homeowners, we are responsible for all
Speaker 2: of the stormwater discharge from our property. So, for example,
Speaker 2: if you don't have downpipes right, or let's say you've
Speaker 2: got downpipes but they're not connected to a stormwater system
Speaker 2: and that water floods onto the neighbor when the ground
Speaker 2: is saturated, then that's something that a neighbour can come
Speaker 2: to you and ask you to address, and hopefully council
Speaker 2: would enforce it as well. If, for example, you've done
Speaker 2: a driveway, and I've seen this with developments recently where
Speaker 2: a new driveway to access a number of units has
Speaker 2: been put in, but without the appropriate curbing or a
Speaker 2: swire not really a swale, but a channel, and then
Speaker 2: somewhere to collect that water, and the water the driveway
Speaker 2: is just tilted and pushed to the neighbor, so every
Speaker 2: time it rains, all of that water that's collected on
Speaker 2: the driveway sheets into the neighboring property. Those sorts of things.
Speaker 2: If that's the nature of your question, Dean, yes, you
Speaker 2: should be able to go back to your neighbor, and
Speaker 2: then if there's a reluctance from your neighbor to get involved. Certainly,
Speaker 2: you can go to counsel and ask them to go
Speaker 2: and assess the property, determine what the remediation is, and
Speaker 2: then get the neighbor to do exactly that.
Speaker 3: So good luck. It's again not.
Speaker 2: Easy to work through this process, but it's yeah, it's doable,
Speaker 2: and yes, it is quite clear in legislation that you
Speaker 2: have to be able to control your own discharge, your
Speaker 2: own stormwater discharge from your property when there's been let's say,
Speaker 2: an intervention iea house driveway, et.
Speaker 3: Cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 2: call if you've got a question of a building nature.
Speaker 2: We will take your calls right now. I eight hundred
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. So a made of mine who's very
Speaker 2: experienced with retaining walls and so on, text me during
Speaker 2: that conversation with Ran that we just had a moment
Speaker 2: ago and said, look, I'm quite happy to go out
Speaker 2: and have a look.
Speaker 3: And he's got vast experience.
Speaker 2: It could be really interesting to see what his thoughts
Speaker 2: are on that particular issue.
Speaker 3: This is an interesting one.
Speaker 2: I happened there was a couple of techs come through,
Speaker 2: you know, because we've sort of straight off the path,
Speaker 2: let's say, and we're talking about building and the economy
Speaker 2: in general and what it's like for contractors out there,
Speaker 2: and to be fair, for a number of people, it's
Speaker 2: pretty grim. And I think for I guess, and the
Speaker 2: conversation we had with Steve earlier on is that for people,
Speaker 2: you know, younger people that have come into the construction
Speaker 2: sector or come into being their own business owner, this
Speaker 2: downturn might be the first one that they've experienced. So
Speaker 2: if you've got a few gray hairs like I do
Speaker 2: and Steve does with the graves of respect, you know,
Speaker 2: we've been through this and we kind of know that
Speaker 2: you just have to hold on if you possibly can,
Speaker 2: because inevitably it will get better. We have these highs
Speaker 2: and lows, we have these peaks and troughs in the
Speaker 2: cycle of the economy and within the building sector undoubtedly,
Speaker 2: And I mean I still remember the interview we did
Speaker 2: with John Tukey from the aut He's there leading guy
Speaker 2: in terms of construction. He's got a real interest, particularly
Speaker 2: in the sort of the economic side of the construction sector.
Speaker 2: And at the end of it, I wrapped it up
Speaker 2: by going, so, is there a way of getting out
Speaker 2: of this boom and bus cycle? And he just went, no,
Speaker 2: this is how the economy works. This is how in
Speaker 2: a sense business works. And then we got onto this
Speaker 2: conversation around cowboys in the industry and often people undercutting
Speaker 2: or offering up cheap prices and then trying to get
Speaker 2: the work. You know, lots of variations, lots of extras, et.
Speaker 3: Cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And so I mentioned the story that I had heard
Speaker 2: of someone who had, I think, invited twelve different contractors,
Speaker 2: building contractors to price a let's say it was a
Speaker 2: small extension alteration job, and then took the lowest price
Speaker 2: and the work was terrible and the whole project went
Speaker 2: off the rails right, and you kind of go, well,
Speaker 2: hang on, in that sense, there, it was only going
Speaker 2: to have one outcome, wasn't it. If you get twelve people,
Speaker 2: it might have been seven, whatever it is. But if
Speaker 2: you get multiple quotes and you grab the lowest one
Speaker 2: and it's considerably lower and the work is exactly the same,
Speaker 2: you know that you're going to be for a problem.
Speaker 2: And then someone has texed through based on your friends.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a friend, it was just someone I knew
Speaker 2: or heard of. Actually, that's eleven builders whose time was
Speaker 2: wasted doing quotes. They have to recoup that money somewhere else.
Speaker 2: It just gets added to the jobs that they do get.
Speaker 2: People need to start talking with friends of and engaged
Speaker 2: tradespeople and employ those with a good reputation for value
Speaker 2: and quality. Get a maximum of three quotes so that
Speaker 2: you minimize how much your tradesman's time you've wasted, and
Speaker 2: be upfront with your expectations. If you want the cheapest builder,
Speaker 2: tell them that, and the two thirds of trades will
Speaker 2: outright tell you that they're not the cheapest. I say
Speaker 2: it up front before I go to site that I'm
Speaker 2: not the cheapest, and I actually charge to quote and
Speaker 2: take that amount off the job price. If I get it,
Speaker 2: I do about one quarter of the quotes that I
Speaker 2: used to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how fascinating. See.
Speaker 2: To be fair, I've never charged for quotes, but that's
Speaker 2: I mean, at least you're being upfront right in terms
Speaker 2: of saying, look, I'm going to charge for the quote
Speaker 2: if I don't get the job. I wonder how many
Speaker 2: people at that point go okay, Well then I'm not interested.
Speaker 2: Take a few more texts on that.
Speaker 3: What else was there?
Speaker 2: I need to This is a random text as well.
Speaker 2: I need to replace old corrugated roofing polystyrene which has
Speaker 2: basically gone rotten. I don't think it'll be polystyringe. It
Speaker 2: might be like the clear light roof so like a
Speaker 2: polyethylene type of not polyethylene, yeah, the clear lighte roofing.
Speaker 2: Can I use a skill saw to cut the new
Speaker 2: stuff to fit it? No, don't use a skill saw.
Speaker 2: You'll find and I did one just recently, that sort
Speaker 2: of clear light sun tough type roofing. You just cut
Speaker 2: it with the same roofing shears that you use to
Speaker 2: cut regular corrugated iron by hand. I certainly wouldn't touch
Speaker 2: it with a power tool in this instance, and I
Speaker 2: love power tools, but no, don't. Just good old set
Speaker 2: of nips will do it. Your news talk CP, We've
Speaker 2: got a spear line. The number is eight hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Today we're talking with Daniel Davies from
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Speaker 2: So Daniel from Davies Homes, Hey, let's start off with
Speaker 2: the framing. Tell us about jframan, why do you choose that?
Speaker 11: The reason why I've used jframe over the last us
Speaker 11: see six eight years is a lot to deal with
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Speaker 11: We're live in quite a damp environment and what happens
Speaker 11: if the timber isn't consistent and so forth, It moves,
Speaker 11: which causes problems with screw pops and possible cracks and
Speaker 11: walls and so forth. So that's why I've chose to
Speaker 11: use it.
Speaker 2: And in terms of switching, let's say from traditional stick
Speaker 2: framing to jframe, no issue with counsel.
Speaker 11: Oh no, all that was easy years, that's the answer
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Speaker 2: Hey, now let's talk about triboard as well. So lots
Speaker 2: of uses. What are you using triboard for.
Speaker 11: We're mainly using the TG penalley, which is such a
Speaker 11: cool product use because we do a little lot of
Speaker 11: pole sheds with our houses when they builth people right,
Speaker 11: so it's easy to fit, it doesn't need all the
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Speaker 11: finiship end of it too, at a cost effective price.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've still got that impact resistance, say, because
Speaker 2: we're still talking about fifteen mil of triboard.
Speaker 3: You know it's it's pretty durable.
Speaker 11: Year first, I used it as my own project, and
Speaker 11: I've used it on heaps houses since in a shed
Speaker 11: that's perfect, and.
Speaker 3: I've used it on my projects as well. It is great.
Speaker 2: Hey, Now, what's on the horizon for Davies Homes.
Speaker 11: Well, we have only really mainly focused on the Greater
Speaker 11: wipe A area and mines all areas. But later on
Speaker 11: this year we'll be opening a show home and what
Speaker 11: order which is more north we thought it Hilton and
Speaker 11: then from there next year we'll be open to sha
Speaker 11: Ho North Hamilton as well, because we've been expanding to
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Speaker 11: and Understaye company.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Hey now and lastly too, and I know people
Speaker 2: are often a little bit shy about taking recognition, but
Speaker 2: congratulations on the Master Builders Waycuto Regional Awards in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three.
Speaker 3: Just tell us about the house that was entered there.
Speaker 11: You entered two there, so we ended one a client's
Speaker 11: build in Cambridge. There was a mixture of recycled brick
Speaker 11: and vertical planting that one head try board on the
Speaker 11: boat sheet yep. And then we entered the Shahum we
Speaker 11: built as well, which was quite a cool shod swimming
Speaker 11: balls and a lot of solid timbers inside the house
Speaker 11: with an exposed American oak. So yeah, that's two really
Speaker 11: studying homes, quite pleasant results and.
Speaker 2: I think sounding like they're deserving of the Wakato Regional Awards,
Speaker 2: So congratulations on that. Hey, folks, if you want to
Speaker 2: know more about the work that Davies Homes do, check
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Speaker 2: Home and some of the examples of using that triboard
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Speaker 2: about the good people at Davies Homes at Davies Homes
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz your news talks, he'd be let's
Speaker 2: get into the calls. Actually some great texts coming through
Speaker 2: as well, and some fantastic opinion around, you know, like this,
Speaker 2: I suppose the state of the building sector and including
Speaker 2: a couple of fairly blunt quotes going, hey, Pete, I'm
Speaker 2: okay to hear that builders are missing out on quotes
Speaker 2: about time that prices and margins came down. You make
Speaker 2: here to offer up an opinion, Rick A very good
Speaker 2: morning to you.
Speaker 16: Morning, Creete. You're the man to help me.
Speaker 8: I'm sure see how we go hand old school.
Speaker 16: I've been trying to find a cast iron, preferably gully
Speaker 16: trapp or great for to replace one that's missing my property,
Speaker 16: and I hope I'll just track one down or even
Speaker 16: like a new one. The plastic ones, I know, good
Speaker 16: do we? Where do you get those from?
Speaker 2: You're talking about like you can get like a pre
Speaker 2: cast horseshoe almost and concrete that's about one hundred miles high,
Speaker 2: it's about three hundred mill across, and then there's a
Speaker 2: cast iron just the girl that goes, and then there's
Speaker 2: the girl that goes on top of those. I would
Speaker 2: head to somewhere like Humes m go to the go
Speaker 2: to the commercial ones. So go to Humes, go to
Speaker 2: Mico Plumbing might have them. I probably go to Humors actually.
Speaker 7: Been there, done that.
Speaker 16: They didn't they didn't have the one.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm sure they maybe they don't do that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good point, to be fair.
Speaker 16: Mm hmm. Yeah, I've had to get some paid cast
Speaker 16: ironans have been able to get them. Yeah, we we
Speaker 16: we uh, well they don't.
Speaker 3: Luckily, stay listening.
Speaker 2: I'm sure someone will text a drain or the civil
Speaker 2: works guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would have thought if you go to Humes or
Speaker 2: to you know, the larger Mico's, or to the houses.
Speaker 14: The next game.
Speaker 16: That means used to have them sort of and plays
Speaker 16: megas used to his. But some of the ones they make,
Speaker 16: of course, are uselessly early, many more plastic. Yeah, but
Speaker 16: that's all right, Okay, I'll I'll keep looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought Humes, but or any of
Speaker 2: the large commercial places.
Speaker 3: Hey, good luck with it.
Speaker 2: And to be fair, I'm going to do a little
Speaker 2: Google search while we're chatting away to people as well.
Speaker 4: Hillary, Hello there, Hello, Hello, I wonder if you can
Speaker 4: help me.
Speaker 10: I have just completed, or my builder has just completed
Speaker 10: a build for me, a small build and we've had
Speaker 10: the final inspection, and I am going in now to
Speaker 10: the council website to try and obtain CCC.
Speaker 6: Yes, So when I go in through.
Speaker 10: My IR and I get in there and I've got
Speaker 10: my file in, when I put in my consent number,
Speaker 10: I cannot get all the information that the builder has
Speaker 10: on his my IR about all the inspections and everything
Speaker 10: that have been done. Right that normal? I mean, I
Speaker 10: can probably ring up the council and find out if
Speaker 10: I'm actually doing this correctly. But I would have thought
Speaker 10: once I put in the consent number that everything relating
Speaker 10: to that consent number would be able to drop in
Speaker 10: as you go through the website, which it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, but to be fear, you
Speaker 2: don't need that information, and that information that's already on
Speaker 2: the council records with regard to the inspections that have
Speaker 2: been undertaken is not the information that you need to
Speaker 2: provide for your CCC application.
Speaker 10: So I've got all the I've got all the certificates
Speaker 10: and all the things like that, and they're all.
Speaker 2: In PDF form, so they're all you can upload everything. Okay,
Speaker 2: if do you have the booklet that the building consent
Speaker 2: came with, so there's the plans and then there's the
Speaker 2: council and then.
Speaker 3: Everything at the back of that will have what's.
Speaker 2: Required for your CCC, so record of works from the builder,
Speaker 2: a COC from the electrician, a PS three from the plumber,
Speaker 2: potentially as built plans, warranty statements for systems, and all
Speaker 2: the rest of it. So if you read through the
Speaker 2: back of the booklet, that will give you a guideline.
Speaker 3: As to what you need.
Speaker 10: That's very helpful.
Speaker 2: To be fair, My approach is because back in the day,
Speaker 2: when you used to have a paper application, it gave
Speaker 2: you a checklist, right. The online application doesn't. And I
Speaker 2: have to say I've found that frustrating, right, And I
Speaker 2: would have thought it was much more helpful of counsel
Speaker 2: when you went to apply online, which is the only
Speaker 2: way to apply now, had like a checklist, but they don't,
Speaker 2: so they just what it says typically is provide all
Speaker 2: relevant information for the CCC application.
Speaker 3: Then you go, well, what is that?
Speaker 2: What's the relevant information? That's why you go back to
Speaker 2: the inspection booklet and you have a look in the
Speaker 2: last couple of pages of that. That's where all the
Speaker 2: information is. I also typically tend to give them stuff
Speaker 2: that they might not have asked for, So any record
Speaker 2: of works, any producer statement, any site inspection notes from engineer, geotech, etc.
Speaker 3: I'd add that to it.
Speaker 2: PS Four from the engineer, if there's specific design, all
Speaker 2: of the records of works, all of the coa's COCs, everything.
Speaker 2: Put it all in there, and then what will happen
Speaker 2: is they'll come back to you with more information.
Speaker 3: Well done, good luck.
Speaker 2: We've got to go for the news, but feel free
Speaker 2: to call again if.
Speaker 3: You need more fashion.
Speaker 12: In the home stretch.
Speaker 6: Of the hard time.
Speaker 13: It took a heart left, but we're all right, yeah,
Speaker 13: sure canra so.
Speaker 12: Love Loie b. We do this right his soul than
Speaker 12: ever gone.
Speaker 8: All that.
Speaker 15: When the bars are good, reston you're the pain a field.
Speaker 13: That's good, Shadow that boy, because you will have a.
Speaker 12: Man's a crack in the foundation.
Speaker 15: Debiano Mani Stone well present the Oh the wound we
Speaker 15: stayed the hastone.
Speaker 12: Fall in the bars are good.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, oh, welcome back to the program. It's going to
Speaker 2: be busy in the next half hour. Before we jumped
Speaker 2: into the garden with it to climb past. Thank you
Speaker 2: to all of the Texters that have replied to Rex
Speaker 2: question about trying to find he was looking for a
Speaker 2: cast iron grate for a concrete gully dish. In cast
Speaker 2: iron probably not available anymore. There are aluminium ones out there, Hines.
Speaker 2: Someone suggested that someone has suggested going taking a drawing
Speaker 2: and getting it cast for you. That's going to be
Speaker 2: rather expensive. Austin's Foundry and Timaru is now closed down,
Speaker 2: but they were one of the largest makers of the
Speaker 2: old cast iron lids. Did have some stock for sale.
Speaker 2: Chairs Google Austin's Foundry and Timaru. I'm going through timorrow
Speaker 2: in a couple of months time. I could pick one
Speaker 2: up on the way and Hines and someone else where
Speaker 2: was it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it's Hines on Nielson Street. No one hunger
Speaker 2: if you want to find one. I thought that'd be
Speaker 2: out there, and then someone goes, hey, will Davies Homes.
Speaker 2: We had a chat with the team from Davy's Homes
Speaker 2: just before the break. Will they be at field Days?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they will be. Second part of
Speaker 2: the quick text was will you be there?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 2: Actually I'm going to be at field Days on Thursday
Speaker 2: and Friday of this coming week. Really looking forward to
Speaker 2: it actually, so you'll find me hanging around with Bailey
Speaker 2: Water Tanks. They've got a big stand down there, my
Speaker 2: mates at Apex Boots, and also with the team at Royobi,
Speaker 2: So I will be drifting around certainly. So send me
Speaker 2: a message maybe through social media or something, or post
Speaker 2: where I am on my Facebook page, so resident builder
Speaker 2: on Facebook, you'll find it there. I'll put up a
Speaker 2: list of where I am at which time, and I
Speaker 2: always really enjoy the chats that I have while i'm
Speaker 2: down there. So down there with Bailey's, with Apex Boots
Speaker 2: and with Ryobi, really really looking forward to it. And
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I might be able to swing by Saveboard
Speaker 2: as well. These are the people that use like TetraPak
Speaker 2: the liquid paper and recycle it into boards. Because I
Speaker 2: want to bring some sheets up to put at the
Speaker 2: Resource Recovery Center in Devenport, just to show people what
Speaker 2: happens with recycling, because if you can't put that pack
Speaker 2: that packaging into your curb side recycling, but it is
Speaker 2: cyclable and Saveboard ended up making it into wall lining
Speaker 2: which you can use, so be quite good to show
Speaker 2: people what you can do with recycled material, so I
Speaker 2: might have to swing by the factory and strap a
Speaker 2: couple of sheets of safeboard onto the roof of the
Speaker 2: BT fifty and then head back to Auckland after that.
Speaker 2: So yep, Thursday, Friday field days, it'll be awesome.
Speaker 3: Bill, greetings you sir.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, hello Pete. Yeah, no little problem. We had
Speaker 6: a water pipe burst under the house, yes, and that
Speaker 6: Actually it's not a double story house, but there's split
Speaker 6: level and the water left the chip board alone, which
Speaker 6: was the top half, and they seeped into the lounge,
Speaker 6: which was all carpeted, and I had to rip the
Speaker 6: carpet because it's stunk, you know. I had to ditch
Speaker 6: the carpet and I'm just wondering what to do with
Speaker 6: it now because there's a bare concrete floor on the
Speaker 6: bottom half and I didn't know what I'm going to
Speaker 6: do with it.
Speaker 2: The concrete will be fine, you know, water and concrete.
Speaker 2: Once the concrete's gone off, that won't have an impact.
Speaker 2: There'll be a certain amount of moisture still in the building,
Speaker 2: and before you do any repairs, i'd make sure you
Speaker 2: dry that out.
Speaker 6: So for carpets, a log fire in there yeah, i'd.
Speaker 3: Probably go down.
Speaker 2: And I mean some of this should be covered by
Speaker 2: your insurance, right, so you're insurance.
Speaker 6: I think, so our money ranking.
Speaker 3: But the land okay, well.
Speaker 2: The landlords, it would be in the landlord's interest to
Speaker 2: get like a commercial sized dehumidifier and put that in there.
Speaker 2: So if you've already pulled the carpet up, get in
Speaker 2: there with a dehumidifier, run that for a week or
Speaker 2: so before you do any more remedial work, and that'll
Speaker 2: just help dry the place out and get that moisture
Speaker 2: level down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think that half I'd been done quite
Speaker 6: a while, and my ex wife she had dogs and
Speaker 6: they're probably pedal on the carpet, which really stunk the
Speaker 6: thing out, so we had to get rid of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, m hm.
Speaker 6: So I've got left and now as a concrete floor
Speaker 6: in a couple of mates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, no, no, look, look, I'll I would
Speaker 2: do that. Make sure you get the dehumidifier in there.
Speaker 2: Because the carpet dryers, you know the ones that you
Speaker 2: can buy, they look like a snail. Yeah, they'll blast
Speaker 2: through and get rid of the moisture out of the carpet.
Speaker 2: But you've already removed that, but I think it's really
Speaker 2: important before you get onto remedial work to make sure
Speaker 2: that the moisture content is down again. Awful thing to happen.
Speaker 3: Good luck with all of that. Rory greetings to you.
Speaker 9: Hello, Oh yeah, I just this time last week you're
Speaker 9: talking about the commistic groups.
Speaker 16: Yes, excuse me a bit of morse.
Speaker 9: In any way, you said something about a membrane over
Speaker 9: the whole deachomestic grief. And I'll tell you now and then,
Speaker 9: there's no better membrane than good paint and plenty of
Speaker 9: it on it. And i'll tell you what. You don't
Speaker 9: put it on neat. You put it on water down
Speaker 9: twenty percent.
Speaker 7: With a room.
Speaker 3: Whoa, okay, yeah right.
Speaker 9: And it's the only read you want to do it on.
Speaker 9: Low picture is not billas like yours. But it's better
Speaker 9: than spraying it because when you saturate the chips and everything,
Speaker 9: they never come off again, and the bird two foes off.
Speaker 9: There's no bird degree or moss around it. And my
Speaker 9: roofs fifty years old now, and I had to do
Speaker 9: it after about twenty years because the grief was put
Speaker 9: on by amateurs. And I think there were second hand
Speaker 9: tires that looked yeah.
Speaker 3: No, look, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think having a you know, an extra layer of
Speaker 2: anything that protects our roofs is probably not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: And I've had texts from people are going, no, you
Speaker 2: can't just repaint them.
Speaker 3: And all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: The membrane that I'm talking about, I haven't had any
Speaker 2: personal experience, but I've just noticed a number of sort
Speaker 2: of ads and comments around applying like a thick, viscous
Speaker 2: type coating over your existing roof as a as a
Speaker 2: flexible membrane. So we might be talking you know, half
Speaker 2: a millimeter or so of product that's applied, or possibly
Speaker 2: even a bit thicker than that, which is more than
Speaker 2: what you would get out of a layer of paint.
Speaker 2: No matter how thick you apply it, you won't get
Speaker 2: that sort of build up on it. But look, there's
Speaker 2: there's some alternatives out there. I'm interested to hear from
Speaker 2: anyone who's had one of these membranes applied over the
Speaker 2: top of an existing roof to prolong its life. Oh
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 2: call and Mike, good morning to you.
Speaker 8: Oh Hof, you can help me or come it with ideas.
Speaker 8: So we've just had a small renovation done, basically putting
Speaker 8: in two new bedrooms, and there's a very very strong
Speaker 8: chemical smell or odor that's there. So the floors a
Speaker 8: concret slab bra design, the walls are all jibs, the
Speaker 8: ceiling is in a tongue and groove plywood look to it, yep.
Speaker 8: And then in one bedroom we've also got that sort
Speaker 8: of bed behind the bed, you know, down not half
Speaker 8: the wall, but running horizontally like.
Speaker 3: A lining for a.
Speaker 8: Nice So when I when I was painting it, I thought,
Speaker 8: you know, things aren't sealed, et cetera. But now we've
Speaker 8: got to carpet down, a bit of lino down, you know,
Speaker 8: everything's all painted and to sure at the moment it
Speaker 8: kind of there's a fifty thirsty mixture of brand new
Speaker 8: carpet smell and this really strong chemical yeah odor that's there.
Speaker 2: Any ideas, I know that there's a lot of discussion,
Speaker 2: you know, when we're talking about healthy homes and so on,
Speaker 2: around the materials that we use in the construction of
Speaker 2: our houses. And for example, if you look on a
Speaker 2: bucket of raisine paint right, it will say it's a
Speaker 2: low voc paint, so volatile organic compounds. And if you
Speaker 2: think back to paints and products that we used to
Speaker 2: use years ago, you know, they smell like you just
Speaker 2: open a bottle of whiskey.
Speaker 3: Right, There was so much, so many.
Speaker 2: So we're typically we're using a lot less chemicals and
Speaker 2: a lot less harmful chemicals in either the manufacture of
Speaker 2: the products that we use into a house or actually
Speaker 2: on site when we're applying them. So even things like
Speaker 2: tubes of silicon or adhesive right tend to have less
Speaker 2: of these VOCs in them than they had in the past.
Speaker 2: So in that sense, I'm a little surprised, and I'm
Speaker 2: thinking back to, you know, all of the building work
Speaker 2: that I've done, let's say in the last ten years,
Speaker 2: that at the end of it, as a new build,
Speaker 2: it hasn't been that noticeable. Right now, there is evidence
Speaker 2: that says that, you know, there's a lot of moisture
Speaker 2: in how we build, and so that takes a period
Speaker 2: of time to evaporate. And undoubtedly there are chemicals in
Speaker 2: the products that we use and there will be a
Speaker 2: residue which will diminish over time. So with yours, do
Speaker 2: you think that the smell or the odor is as
Speaker 2: obvious today as when the work finished.
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, it's kind of interesting that one. So it
Speaker 8: was fully started nearly well that was time ago, about
Speaker 8: a year ago, right, oh wow? And yeah, I know,
Speaker 8: And fortunately I needed to have a hip operation last year,
Speaker 8: so I had the big push to sort of get
Speaker 8: most of the painting done by August last year, and
Speaker 8: I've finished it off now. So and it's one of
Speaker 8: those things that once you've had the area open, it's
Speaker 8: the small batch, so it's quite often locked up right
Speaker 8: when you first go and you go, wow, what's that smell?
Speaker 8: And then you know, leave all the doors and windows
Speaker 8: open for a quarter of an hour, either you stop
Speaker 8: smelling it or it basically years out. But every time
Speaker 8: we go back in, it's there, locked up for a
Speaker 8: few days, it's there year.
Speaker 2: I guess that might be the the one factor that changes,
Speaker 2: you know, what we're talking about, in the sense that like,
Speaker 2: typically if it's a house and it's occupied every day,
Speaker 2: the windows get opened every day, so it's not surprising
Speaker 2: that the smell has lasted for a lot longer. The
Speaker 2: other thing would be is to actually get it tested.
Speaker 2: So I know that there's some people involved in building
Speaker 2: science who will do testing of interior environments, right, So
Speaker 2: you can measure for carbon monoxide, you can measure for
Speaker 2: humidity and moisture content, and potentially you can measure for
Speaker 2: VOCs inside the building as well, and if it had
Speaker 2: a particularly elevated reading, it would give you an indication
Speaker 2: of what types of chemicals they might be, and then
Speaker 2: you could sort of think back through the building process
Speaker 2: to go, Okay, well, it might be that we used
Speaker 2: I don't know a particular type of flooring material, or
Speaker 2: I mean I presume that with all of your paint
Speaker 2: that you did, it mostly would have been acrylics or
Speaker 2: water borne paints.
Speaker 8: Even for the clear fear, it was always in paint,
Speaker 8: wondering about the the the ply, the tingu and grew
Speaker 8: plight because I thought, you know jibs, well, you know
Speaker 8: got jibyware. You know, if they'd have been smelling, other
Speaker 8: people have noticed it. I've done undercoats, under top coats.
Speaker 2: How many thousands of sheets of plasterboard I've seen put
Speaker 2: up in the last ten years, you know, And I look,
Speaker 2: you just don't get it right. Someone sticks through. Have
Speaker 2: you glued down carpet? No, what's your flooring.
Speaker 8: The the flooring is a concrete slat okay, and.
Speaker 2: Then left exposed. Sorry, And and the concrete is left exposed.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's got a cabin on top of it, okay.
Speaker 2: And then the carpet is just it's not glued down,
Speaker 2: it's with an underlay.
Speaker 14: And so on.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they've got the standard you know that mailgemooth.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Interesting and I would I would have a search around
Speaker 2: and see if you can get And they're out there right.
Speaker 2: They're they're sort of building scientists who are involved in,
Speaker 2: you know, investigating chemical compounds and indoor environment and you're
Speaker 2: talking about indoor air quality and actually have it tested.
Speaker 2: Someone else has suggested if you might have used a
Speaker 2: nylon carpet. Sometimes it has a very strong smell when
Speaker 2: it's new.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, you can definitely tell the carpet smell.
Speaker 8: So yeah, they're worried about that. They'll go, await, it's
Speaker 8: the that other chemical and it's hard to describe. Yes,
Speaker 8: you know, when we first started going into the Tracy,
Speaker 8: my wife said, the paint. No, no, it's not the paint.
Speaker 8: I've been breathing that in all day. It's definitely not
Speaker 8: the paint smell. It's very strong chemical odor. Yeah, and
Speaker 8: it's Yeah, we were thinking that maybe it was coming
Speaker 8: from the concrete land. You know, once we had the
Speaker 8: carpet down and there was a small bit of lino,
Speaker 8: it'd all be gone. But now you can you know,
Speaker 8: it's minimized it just because of the new smell of
Speaker 8: the carpet. But you can still smell the other you know.
Speaker 2: It's not an odor coming from your drainage.
Speaker 8: Ask the plumber about that, but he said that would
Speaker 8: smell more organic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Is the only new bit of plumbing in that area
Speaker 8: is Yeah, there's a like a washing machine in a
Speaker 8: small cupboard. Yeah, and that so it does have them,
Speaker 8: you know, the gully trap whatever for.
Speaker 2: That, and it should have a terminal vent and those
Speaker 2: sorts of things. Look, I think I would go and
Speaker 2: find someone to come in and do testing of indoor
Speaker 2: air quality, take a scientific even if you want to
Speaker 2: contact brands, give brands a call and say, look, I'm
Speaker 2: looking for someone who does this type of work, and
Speaker 2: they'll they'll know researchers who do this all the time.
Speaker 8: You wouldn't think it'd be coming from the plywood at all.
Speaker 2: I mean we did to imagine about ply Yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of glue in plywood obviously, right
Speaker 2: and depending on which type of plywood, some of them
Speaker 2: use more eco friendly glues than others do.
Speaker 3: But again.
Speaker 2: I see, like I know, for example, treated play because
Speaker 2: we use it sometimes as sefite linings. Right now, that
Speaker 2: has a very very strong chemical smell for quite a
Speaker 2: long time. So potentially if the plywood, is it like
Speaker 2: a V groove, a tongue and groove type plywood that
Speaker 2: you've used.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah, it looks like a
Speaker 8: bit of tongue and very flooring.
Speaker 2: See a lot of a lot of that is designed
Speaker 2: for exterior use, in which case, yes, that will have
Speaker 2: a very heavy chemical treatment to it for its for
Speaker 2: it to get H three qualification.
Speaker 3: And I've used it.
Speaker 2: Actually you might be onto something now that I've used
Speaker 2: it for bathroom lining for example, where I've wanted to
Speaker 2: do like wainscotting tongue and groove around the perimeter of
Speaker 2: the bathroom. And I can remember getting it and cutting
Speaker 2: it and it being a very strong smell, but it
Speaker 2: did diminish over time, and you know, again within.
Speaker 3: A week or so.
Speaker 2: I would have expected there to be very very little
Speaker 2: presence of any sort of residue or odor. So that's
Speaker 2: a little bit surprising that it's lasted as long as
Speaker 2: it has. But again, if you would have the indoor
Speaker 2: air quality tested, it would they would soon be able
Speaker 2: to determine whether or not it's coming from the adhesive
Speaker 2: that bonds that fly would together.
Speaker 8: The builders that did builder has been in there sort
Speaker 8: of coming back to work out his justice confused and
Speaker 8: he said, no, it was indoor ply.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't It wasn't treated, so it didn't Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: well yeah, but I must admit there when I was
Speaker 2: putting up there several bits that actually had.
Speaker 8: You know, very bright orange I think it was orange
Speaker 8: or yellow fluoro paint painted on the side of the
Speaker 8: to the ply, which I had to send quite a
Speaker 8: bit before I painted. Would I remember thinking when I
Speaker 8: was prepping, I thought, if it was you know, really,
Speaker 8: if it was made for indoor, would it have the
Speaker 8: fluoro paint sprayed off?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I tell you what would be really interesting is to
Speaker 2: ask the builder to send through a copy of the
Speaker 2: either the delivery slip or the invoice from the supplier
Speaker 2: for that product, because again you know he may have
Speaker 2: ordered TGNV untreated and then when the order got to
Speaker 2: the yard, they went, oh, we don't have any of that,
Speaker 2: so we'll send out some treated stuff. So yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: get the invoice for that material. All right, got a
Speaker 2: nice talking with you all, the very best. Take care
Speaker 2: by then. Fascinating, fascinating. A couple of quick texts before
Speaker 2: you go the break. How can I find out what
Speaker 2: the infull housing policy is in my neighborhood. I'm on
Speaker 2: the north Shore, so am I. As it happens in Auckland,
Speaker 2: if a proposed new build means a lack of light
Speaker 2: sunshine on existing house, is that a liar could turn
Speaker 2: a healthy home into an unhealthy one. I hear what
Speaker 2: you're saying, Joe, And we had Hamish Firth a planner
Speaker 2: in the studio exactly seven days ago. So it's here
Speaker 2: at this time. The best thing to do is to
Speaker 2: go to your local council website and to see what
Speaker 2: the planning regulations permit. That'll give you an idea. Many
Speaker 2: many areas are zoned for intensification and redevelopment, and yes
Speaker 2: there will be many areas where you can build possibly
Speaker 2: out three stories higher meter from the boundary, and that
Speaker 2: will undoubtedly cause shading. And this is permitted as our
Speaker 2: cities grow. So first instance, I'd go to the council website,
Speaker 2: take your time, have a look through. You'll find lots
Speaker 2: and lots of information there. Now, last one before we
Speaker 2: go into the garden. Morning, sir, that's very nice.
Speaker 3: It's very nice.
Speaker 2: Our elementum joinery is oxidize. What's the best product in
Speaker 2: your opinion to bring the joinery back regards from Sean. Look,
Speaker 2: I think if you want to do a really good job,
Speaker 2: I'd probably get experts in. So have a look at
Speaker 2: someone like Nanoclear, for example, who would come through, do
Speaker 2: the proper treatment, do the recoloring, apply a treatment over
Speaker 2: the top of it to protect it, and get a
Speaker 2: really good job done. So yeah, I'd check out Nana
Speaker 2: clear right. Oh, let's jump into the garden where it
Speaker 2: is all a sweetness and light rod climb passed after
Speaker 2: the break.
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