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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 2: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the

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Speaker 2: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with Pete wolf Camp. That's

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Speaker 2: me the Residant Builder, and we are talking all things building, construction, maintenance, renovations, alterations, additions,

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Speaker 2: brand new builds. I spend a little bit of time

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Speaker 2: via the email this week talking with people about a

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Speaker 2: couple of interesting things, some practical stuff around maintenance, a

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Speaker 2: couple of issues around I guess that involved neighbors and

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Speaker 2: we'll dig into that a little bit more in the program.

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Speaker 2: So in a little bit of time, I had some

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Speaker 2: time actually this week to do some reading. Went through

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Speaker 2: as a builder, as an LBP, we're on the mailing

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Speaker 2: list for the brand's magazine which comes out, the Build magazine,

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Speaker 2: which comes out I think every month. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: the part of the reason that it comes out to

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Speaker 2: LBPS my self license building practitioners is that there are

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Speaker 2: a series of articles near the articles have a quiz

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Speaker 2: and when you go to renew your license, as we

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Speaker 2: have to do, we have to prove learning every two years,

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Speaker 2: so you have to renew it every year. You have

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Speaker 2: to prove learning every two years, which I think this

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Speaker 2: year I have to do in September sometime. One of

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Speaker 2: the ways to do that is to read the magazine

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Speaker 2: and answer quizzes and then you have to submit your

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Speaker 2: answers online, which is kind of an interesting process to

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Speaker 2: go through. Anyway, So as I was reading through that,

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Speaker 2: suddenly I'm pulling out these articles. There was one about

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Speaker 2: car ports, there was another interesting one about building for

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Speaker 2: climate change, because of course it's reflective of government policy

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Speaker 2: at the time. So a lot of our building policy

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Speaker 2: has shifted and the focus has been on the energy

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Speaker 2: efficiency and so on in response to government directives. So

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Speaker 2: it's been an interesting we process. And then yesterday I

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Speaker 2: came in here to the studio and spend a bit

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Speaker 2: of time with Tim Beveridge and the delightful nev Ritti Manu.

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Speaker 2: It was lovely to be able to actually offer my

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Speaker 2: congratulations to her. You may have heard that the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Radio Awards were on Thursday night here in Auckland,

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Speaker 2: and news Talk zed B did particularly well. Station of

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Speaker 2: the Year. My Costkings, Marcus Lush and Neva Routty Manu.

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Speaker 3: Not to mention.

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Speaker 2: Others as well. Of course we're all part of the recognition,

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Speaker 2: So it was nice to sit next to award winning

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Speaker 2: newsreader Neva ritty Manu yesterday on the program, and also

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Speaker 2: delightful and for those of you who have listened to

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Speaker 2: ZEDB for a while, and particularly back in the day

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Speaker 2: when Tim was doing overnights and then over the summer break,

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Speaker 2: Tim Dower, who I know outside of radio a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I've done some work with him and done some work

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Speaker 2: on his house way way way back. It was also

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Speaker 2: recognized in the awards with a Lifetime Achievement award like

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Speaker 2: an Outstanding contribution to radio, which I thought was absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So great to see his name. And Tim Dawe would

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Speaker 2: be a name that's familiar to many of you who

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Speaker 2: have listened to News Talks EDB for a number of years,

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Speaker 2: so nice to see him recognize for his contribution. I

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Speaker 2: think he started in radio gosh, might have been sometime

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Speaker 2: in the late nineteen eighties and has made a significant

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Speaker 2: contribution over the years. Now we have a couple of

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Speaker 2: technical issues.

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Speaker 3: That are going on.

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Speaker 2: There's a gremlin in the machine right now, so it

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Speaker 2: might take us a little while to get things underway,

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Speaker 2: but our lines are open and the number two call

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Speaker 2: is oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can

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Speaker 2: text to nine two nine two, which is ZBZB off

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Speaker 2: your mobile phone, and if you'd like to email me,

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Speaker 2: as a couple of people have done, then it is

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Speaker 2: Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz so p e

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Speaker 2: t E at newstalksb dot co dot enz.

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Speaker 3: So trust you've had a good week. Was it short week?

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it? Monday was day off?

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Speaker 2: King's birthday and now we're into it with I guess

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Speaker 2: And I'm particularly focused on this because I'm looking through

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Speaker 2: my son's sort of school calendar, going okay, so you

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like.

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Speaker 2: There's many days in the classroom sunshine. Anyway, that's another

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The lines are open. The

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Speaker 2: and we'll come back with your calls in just a moment.

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Speaker 3: Radio technical issues sorted. Thank you very much. Boss.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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Speaker 2: and if you would like to text nine to nine

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Speaker 2: and running as well, Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 2: So during the actually without going into too much detail,

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Speaker 2: because I realized it involves a neighbor. So I got

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Speaker 2: I've I've had a discussion with my neighbor who mentioned

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Speaker 2: that they would like to bring on a container as storage,

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Speaker 2: and you know, sort of aware that it might happen,

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Speaker 2: like touching the boundary fence is a gee. I think

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Speaker 2: been lifted to keep the container level, so it stands

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Speaker 2: So what do you do about that? So apparently, and

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Speaker 2: it shouldn't be there. And there's quite clear guidelines if

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Speaker 2: It also goes into quite specific detail around where they

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Speaker 2: interesting to follow that one again for the next little while.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, I mean to be blunt. It's pretty inconsiderate,

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Speaker 3: That's how I would say it.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number

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Speaker 2: to call John A very good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, Pete, I love listening to your show on

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Speaker 4: the way to work.

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Speaker 3: Good on you're forgetting up on a Sunday and hour

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've got an old nineteen twenties house, yes,

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Speaker 4: and I'd like to put insulation underneath it. I want

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Speaker 4: to do it myself. It's not a long room. But

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Speaker 4: quite nice because it looked like I had sort of

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Speaker 4: big beams or whatever you call those things running all

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Speaker 4: the way up their house. But when I measured them,

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Speaker 4: They weren't the same width right looking at putting in

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Speaker 4: some of that polystyrene stuff, and of course that had

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Speaker 4: to be cutting it, and I know there's different you

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Speaker 4: can get different types of that with different sizes. It

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Speaker 4: seemed really deep too. I think it was about one

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Speaker 4: fifty two hundred deep standard YEP. And so I was

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Speaker 4: different types. And you've got like the wooll types, and

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Speaker 4: there's there's also stuff that's got a like a lighting

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Speaker 4: on it that you can put up. Before I've left,

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Speaker 4: I looked at the big sheets of polystyrene because I

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Speaker 4: want to try to do it as as easy as

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Speaker 4: I can, because i'll be.

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Speaker 5: String it on my own.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and i put a big sheet of provided at fits,

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Speaker 4: and I've got a measure that add up of just

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Speaker 4: balistarrene and just don't put it in the gap if

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Speaker 4: it's all level, just put it straight across from a gap.

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Speaker 3: That's the okay.

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting where you're heading with it. So your

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Speaker 2: thinking is instead of cutting pieces of insulation and slotting

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Speaker 2: them in between the joists, that you would take large

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Speaker 2: panels of insulated material and fix them to the underside

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Speaker 2: of the joist.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Just wack them straight up and straight across, provided it's

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Speaker 4: level and up, and just not come in with a

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Speaker 2: Probably that's I'm just sort of pondering all of the

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Speaker 2: steps involved in doing that and and okay, so there's

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Speaker 2: going to be a couple of challenges. One is that

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Speaker 2: possibly the joists are not going to be particularly level,

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Speaker 2: but then again that's not I mean, unless they're massively out,

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Speaker 2: it's not really going to make a difference. The other

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Speaker 2: thing is how are you going to fix it? Is

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Speaker 2: it easy to maneuver a large sheet like that around.

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Speaker 2: It would be interesting to know whether the effectiveness of

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Speaker 2: the insulation would be either enhanced or diminished by having

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Speaker 2: such a large air gap, because effectively you've got that

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Speaker 2: space of one hundred and fifty mili.

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Speaker 3: It would work if.

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Speaker 2: You could make it almost air tight, and that would

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Speaker 2: be a real challenge. So essentially, the way that insulation

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Speaker 2: works is by trapping air. So what you don't want

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Speaker 2: with insulation is the ability for air to move through it.

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Speaker 2: So if you've got gaps and cracks or you can't,

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Speaker 2: like if you were doing a layer underneath, if you

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Speaker 2: had any gaps in there, and you could possibly fill

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Speaker 2: those gaps, let's say with expanding foam. So as you

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Speaker 2: put one panel up, you do a bead of expanding

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Speaker 2: foam along the edge of it, and then you jam

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Speaker 2: your next panel into it. But then when you get

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Speaker 2: to the perimeter of the house, I suppose you could

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Speaker 2: butt into the bearer and do a neat bead of

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Speaker 2: seilant of some description or expanding foam through there. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's an intriguing notion, and I wouldn't mind actually having

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Speaker 2: a conversation with some boffins about it during the week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I looked at those and they looked interesting. I

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Speaker 2: One point four is about the minimum standard that we require, right,

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Speaker 4: When you stay on the ground, so I can lay

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Speaker 2: You know, the vapor barrier goes on the ground. So

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Speaker 2: then the effectiveness of the vapor barrier is not as

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Speaker 3: And then you know, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which one did you call that?

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Speaker 2: You're in for quite a job, but it will be

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Speaker 3: Oh, talk with you all of us. Take care there,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bit in the old underfloor insulation I have.

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Speaker 3: I think, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Hey Pete, if warm air rises, how does it go

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Speaker 2: convection that happens within a room. And what the underfloor

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Speaker 2: doesn't go down through the floor, although heat will escape

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Speaker 2: and it's somewhere around fifteen to twenty percent can go

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Speaker 2: that as you're right, as heat rises, that more cold

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Speaker 2: morning to you, Craig.

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Speaker 7: Good morning. How's it going today?

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Speaker 3: Hey good? Thanks made yourself.

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Speaker 7: I can't complain too much, really got to Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 7: I've got to the crude. Mine's got a house down

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there was ever a great danger

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Speaker 7: But they grit Temothy back in those days. They may have. Wow,

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Speaker 7: it's got a big concrete pipe that comes up for

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Speaker 7: a four year into that. But he's got a hip

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Speaker 2: So the other area.

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Speaker 7: Wow, So yeah, he bought the house. He bought the

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's really really fascinating. It'd be interesting to ask

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Speaker 3: He would.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to say, all the other houses

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Speaker 3: Flat, so you kind of know where that soil came from.

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00:22:58,095 --> 00:23:00,535
Speaker 7: The house is like, what was that one flat for it?

435
00:23:00,535 --> 00:23:02,055
Speaker 7: And they didn't realize about it. They move in the

436
00:23:02,055 --> 00:23:05,575
Speaker 7: cabinet out of the way and go, oh wow, Well

437
00:23:05,655 --> 00:23:07,335
Speaker 7: men cav literally.

438
00:23:08,055 --> 00:23:12,695
Speaker 2: Okay, and the moisture that would inevitably be in that

439
00:23:12,735 --> 00:23:16,655
Speaker 2: sort of tunnel that cavern at the back doesn't sort

440
00:23:16,695 --> 00:23:19,215
Speaker 2: of impact on the underfloor of the existing house.

441
00:23:20,775 --> 00:23:24,175
Speaker 7: No, No, it goes out through the back wall. Yeah,

442
00:23:24,175 --> 00:23:26,535
Speaker 7: but we've done it. But digging around the back lawn

443
00:23:26,535 --> 00:23:28,655
Speaker 7: and it seems like the whole thing is covered with

444
00:23:29,215 --> 00:23:31,935
Speaker 7: like the tunnel part gravel on the outside of it,

445
00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:33,895
Speaker 7: on the outside tween they're in the dirt. I mean

446
00:23:33,895 --> 00:23:35,935
Speaker 7: you did when you go through that. There's quite a

447
00:23:35,975 --> 00:23:39,255
Speaker 7: thick like a preboc membrane around it as well, so

448
00:23:39,935 --> 00:23:41,335
Speaker 7: it looks like it's kind of spent a bit of

449
00:23:41,375 --> 00:23:44,335
Speaker 7: time on it. So there's no there's no moisture that

450
00:23:44,375 --> 00:23:46,175
Speaker 7: comes in through the walls. I was worry you probably

451
00:23:46,175 --> 00:23:48,135
Speaker 7: get water leaking through the walls, but there's no like

452
00:23:49,615 --> 00:23:51,815
Speaker 7: salt built up on the on the eastel brooks itself,

453
00:23:51,855 --> 00:23:54,775
Speaker 7: so it doesn't seem to getting any more moisture coming through, right.

454
00:23:54,855 --> 00:23:56,375
Speaker 7: It tends to be a little bit cold.

455
00:23:56,415 --> 00:24:03,735
Speaker 2: But yeah, how how it was absolutely fascinating. Well yeah,

456
00:24:03,815 --> 00:24:07,215
Speaker 2: I mean, look, putting in, yes, putting in vtilation will

457
00:24:07,215 --> 00:24:12,815
Speaker 2: help control moisture, right, so you know, damp ear is

458
00:24:12,975 --> 00:24:15,855
Speaker 2: moisture laden and a little bit of ventilation will help that.

459
00:24:15,935 --> 00:24:18,015
Speaker 2: And I suppose a little bit of heat if they wanted.

460
00:24:18,255 --> 00:24:20,575
Speaker 2: What do they use the space for? Like a I

461
00:24:20,615 --> 00:24:22,775
Speaker 2: mean it would be a very nice wine cellar.

462
00:24:24,135 --> 00:24:26,455
Speaker 7: Nothing at the moment he's looking at possibly turning it

463
00:24:26,455 --> 00:24:31,495
Speaker 7: into a games room, and wow, it's like, well twenty

464
00:24:31,535 --> 00:24:34,375
Speaker 7: meters by talking at the paper now, yeah, it's twenty

465
00:24:34,375 --> 00:24:37,095
Speaker 7: meters wide by about nine nine and a half meters

466
00:24:37,135 --> 00:24:42,135
Speaker 7: deep and the ceiling wow, no concert pads at the

467
00:24:42,175 --> 00:24:45,335
Speaker 7: top is two point four So it's pretty not too

468
00:24:45,455 --> 00:24:48,815
Speaker 7: much feeling, but pretty good. But we just when we

469
00:24:49,055 --> 00:24:50,935
Speaker 7: having them shift in there and mosic cabinet away and

470
00:24:50,935 --> 00:24:52,615
Speaker 7: go what's this for it? And he goes, I don't know,

471
00:24:52,935 --> 00:24:54,575
Speaker 7: so you have become of torches. Walk down it's like

472
00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:57,375
Speaker 7: this goes maybe it's just a little tunnel something or whatever,

473
00:24:57,415 --> 00:25:00,135
Speaker 7: and then it opens up and walked in the big

474
00:25:00,175 --> 00:25:04,295
Speaker 7: ear and like, oh crap, wow, and I guess this

475
00:25:04,415 --> 00:25:07,295
Speaker 7: city you've got. You technically got like a six bedroom

476
00:25:07,295 --> 00:25:09,215
Speaker 7: house now if you put rooms in there, but you

477
00:25:09,255 --> 00:25:10,175
Speaker 7: probably can't because.

478
00:25:09,975 --> 00:25:14,015
Speaker 2: There's no that would never be considered a habitable space.

479
00:25:14,095 --> 00:25:16,695
Speaker 2: But look as like you say, as a workshop or

480
00:25:16,695 --> 00:25:21,055
Speaker 2: a games room or yeah, blimey.

481
00:25:20,655 --> 00:25:22,815
Speaker 3: Anything the zombie apocalypse.

482
00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:25,735
Speaker 7: Yeah, one thing I thought about doing was maybe cutting

483
00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:27,855
Speaker 7: hole in the corner of the roof on one side

484
00:25:27,855 --> 00:25:30,415
Speaker 7: of it and put it in maybe external access, just

485
00:25:30,455 --> 00:25:32,615
Speaker 7: in case, you know, for a you can get out

486
00:25:32,615 --> 00:25:33,775
Speaker 7: through there as well. We would be a little bit

487
00:25:33,775 --> 00:25:35,215
Speaker 7: safe safe could probably do.

488
00:25:35,455 --> 00:25:38,215
Speaker 2: I mean, there's got to be some fairly significant engineering

489
00:25:38,295 --> 00:25:42,015
Speaker 2: in that roof as well, because an unsupported or their

490
00:25:42,095 --> 00:25:43,215
Speaker 2: posts through the middle of it.

491
00:25:43,855 --> 00:25:46,255
Speaker 7: There's big message rjs that run from one end of

492
00:25:46,255 --> 00:25:48,535
Speaker 7: the building long ways right from one end to the other,

493
00:25:49,175 --> 00:25:54,015
Speaker 7: and I like the sho rsts is probably about I

494
00:25:54,055 --> 00:25:55,855
Speaker 7: think from what we can remember. What I can remember

495
00:25:55,895 --> 00:26:00,295
Speaker 7: about six and a half million flicks steels, so the

496
00:26:00,375 --> 00:26:04,095
Speaker 7: guys and it's all like bolted through with the I

497
00:26:04,095 --> 00:26:06,375
Speaker 7: think the guy must have been an engineer or something

498
00:26:06,375 --> 00:26:08,855
Speaker 7: because it's overcoll for what it is.

499
00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,495
Speaker 2: You got to remember that like mung Akino and that

500
00:26:12,615 --> 00:26:15,455
Speaker 2: were often there was all of that work that was

501
00:26:15,495 --> 00:26:18,695
Speaker 2: done on the hydro center right on the tunneling when

502
00:26:18,695 --> 00:26:21,575
Speaker 2: they created the hydro dams and the hydro system back

503
00:26:21,575 --> 00:26:22,615
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties.

504
00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:23,775
Speaker 3: Because we used to visit.

505
00:26:23,695 --> 00:26:26,535
Speaker 2: A family friend in mung A Kino back then, and

506
00:26:26,575 --> 00:26:29,655
Speaker 2: he was a bricklayer and he'd been involved in that

507
00:26:29,735 --> 00:26:32,735
Speaker 2: whole area. That was a huge part of the industry

508
00:26:32,775 --> 00:26:34,775
Speaker 2: at that time. And you just wonder whether someone who

509
00:26:35,215 --> 00:26:37,935
Speaker 2: kind of you know, worked all day doing tunneling for

510
00:26:37,975 --> 00:26:40,255
Speaker 2: the hydro system comes home and carries on.

511
00:26:41,255 --> 00:26:45,655
Speaker 7: Yeah, it brought a few supplies, that's right, and quickly.

512
00:26:45,415 --> 00:26:47,375
Speaker 9: I think it's just going.

513
00:26:47,295 --> 00:26:50,655
Speaker 7: To mention quickly was the guy putting the insulation across

514
00:26:50,695 --> 00:26:53,015
Speaker 7: the joys and all that. The only problem I can

515
00:26:53,095 --> 00:26:54,615
Speaker 7: see down the track is if you have a problem

516
00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:55,935
Speaker 7: with plumbing electrical, you're going.

517
00:26:55,855 --> 00:26:57,655
Speaker 3: To can't see it. Yeah.

518
00:26:57,775 --> 00:26:59,335
Speaker 7: Yeah, you need to cut the whole thing out to

519
00:26:59,375 --> 00:27:01,815
Speaker 7: try and find where the pipe runs and then trying

520
00:27:01,855 --> 00:27:03,855
Speaker 7: to seal that back. And again it's just would be easier.

521
00:27:03,855 --> 00:27:06,255
Speaker 7: I would thought they have the insights between the jaw

522
00:27:06,415 --> 00:27:07,935
Speaker 7: and you can just pop them out and then put

523
00:27:07,935 --> 00:27:08,175
Speaker 7: it back.

524
00:27:08,175 --> 00:27:10,455
Speaker 2: And if you're require Yeah, and I tend to agree

525
00:27:10,495 --> 00:27:14,415
Speaker 2: with I think that it sounds like a great I'm sorry,

526
00:27:14,415 --> 00:27:16,255
Speaker 2: I'm just laughing because I've just got to text them

527
00:27:16,455 --> 00:27:26,655
Speaker 2: from someone going that's a breaking bad drug factory.

528
00:27:23,415 --> 00:27:27,295
Speaker 3: There was a comic around into hydroponics.

529
00:27:27,375 --> 00:27:30,375
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I've got to go down here in a

530
00:27:30,415 --> 00:27:30,855
Speaker 7: couple of weeks.

531
00:27:30,895 --> 00:27:34,055
Speaker 2: Anyway, you take a photo or something like that, I

532
00:27:34,255 --> 00:27:36,615
Speaker 2: see it to you, that would be awesome, that would

533
00:27:36,615 --> 00:27:37,015
Speaker 2: be awesome.

534
00:27:37,495 --> 00:27:39,135
Speaker 7: We'll see if we can sort of timber put a

535
00:27:39,135 --> 00:27:48,095
Speaker 7: couple of hanging pockwards from the rail house and then

536
00:27:48,615 --> 00:27:50,695
Speaker 7: and then you go through the tunnel and bottom parts.

537
00:27:51,215 --> 00:27:51,415
Speaker 5: Yeah.

538
00:27:52,175 --> 00:27:53,815
Speaker 7: I don't know what the guy was thinking, what he

539
00:27:53,975 --> 00:27:57,455
Speaker 7: was on, but as you say, preparing for this or whatever,

540
00:27:57,535 --> 00:28:00,135
Speaker 7: but yeah, we made probably a good wife.

541
00:28:00,895 --> 00:28:05,095
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Hey, fantastic call. Really appreciate it and

542
00:28:05,095 --> 00:28:06,095
Speaker 2: all they touch.

543
00:28:06,375 --> 00:28:06,695
Speaker 3: Take care.

544
00:28:07,815 --> 00:28:08,015
Speaker 9: Oh.

545
00:28:08,335 --> 00:28:08,615
Speaker 3: Look.

546
00:28:10,055 --> 00:28:12,575
Speaker 2: One of the best things about the show for me personally,

547
00:28:13,055 --> 00:28:14,575
Speaker 2: and I know I should include you, but I'm just

548
00:28:14,615 --> 00:28:16,855
Speaker 2: speaking selfishly for a moment is that every now and

549
00:28:16,855 --> 00:28:19,735
Speaker 2: then you have a conversation that you would never ever

550
00:28:19,895 --> 00:28:23,135
Speaker 2: ever have expected to have, And that would be pretty

551
00:28:23,175 --> 00:28:24,855
Speaker 2: high on my list of.

552
00:28:26,615 --> 00:28:26,895
Speaker 3: Wow.

553
00:28:27,055 --> 00:28:30,015
Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming because even you stay in

554
00:28:30,015 --> 00:28:32,295
Speaker 2: the car, I'm driving around with the sun and he goes, so,

555
00:28:32,295 --> 00:28:34,015
Speaker 2: what's on the show tomorrow? And I said, well, I

556
00:28:34,055 --> 00:28:36,535
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I know what I what guessed

557
00:28:36,575 --> 00:28:37,895
Speaker 2: We have in the next hour, and I know that

558
00:28:38,015 --> 00:28:39,535
Speaker 2: Rood's going to be on, but apart from that, I

559
00:28:39,615 --> 00:28:41,535
Speaker 2: have no idea what we're going to be talking about.

560
00:28:41,535 --> 00:28:43,375
Speaker 2: And he said, so, what have you prepared? And I go, well,

561
00:28:43,775 --> 00:28:45,935
Speaker 2: you know, I read stuff all week and I'm engaged,

562
00:28:45,935 --> 00:28:47,855
Speaker 2: and that's sort of thing that I don't. I do

563
00:28:47,935 --> 00:28:49,735
Speaker 2: prepare for the show, but I don't prepare in terms

564
00:28:49,775 --> 00:28:51,935
Speaker 2: of Hey, today we're going to be talking about X,

565
00:28:52,055 --> 00:28:55,895
Speaker 2: Y or Z. And to be fair, I would never

566
00:28:55,975 --> 00:28:59,095
Speaker 2: have expected that we would be talking about an underground

567
00:28:59,095 --> 00:29:02,255
Speaker 2: bunker and a secret passageway at the back of a basement.

568
00:29:02,455 --> 00:29:02,815
Speaker 3: Ink.

569
00:29:03,495 --> 00:29:06,175
Speaker 2: That's fabulous, and yes, thank you for all the text

570
00:29:06,295 --> 00:29:08,535
Speaker 2: messages about what you could do with that space. We'll

571
00:29:08,535 --> 00:29:10,895
Speaker 2: take short break. We'll be back with Steve in just

572
00:29:10,935 --> 00:29:18,855
Speaker 2: a moment. I'm still smiling, to be fair about that

573
00:29:18,935 --> 00:29:22,335
Speaker 2: last conversation. I mean, what a remarkable discovery. So essentially,

574
00:29:22,415 --> 00:29:25,255
Speaker 2: in the basement you pull aside some cabinets, there's a

575
00:29:25,375 --> 00:29:29,455
Speaker 2: tunnel literally one point eight meter diameter pipes that leads

576
00:29:29,495 --> 00:29:36,255
Speaker 2: down to a twenty by six basement underground and look,

577
00:29:36,455 --> 00:29:39,455
Speaker 2: I get the texts about you know, the potential modern

578
00:29:39,535 --> 00:29:40,855
Speaker 2: day uses for that space.

579
00:29:41,575 --> 00:29:42,735
Speaker 3: I suspect that, given that.

580
00:29:42,695 --> 00:29:46,935
Speaker 2: It was done back in the day, those non legal

581
00:29:47,015 --> 00:29:50,015
Speaker 2: activities are probably unlikely to have been the motivation for

582
00:29:50,095 --> 00:29:53,455
Speaker 2: that space. Fascinating though, isn't it. Hey, Steve, good morning

583
00:29:53,495 --> 00:29:53,775
Speaker 2: to you.

584
00:29:56,255 --> 00:30:01,295
Speaker 7: Good Steve Pete. Just wanted to talk about the DTIAR.

585
00:30:01,695 --> 00:30:04,895
Speaker 7: You're talking about the economic environment, Yeah, sure, and the

586
00:30:04,935 --> 00:30:08,655
Speaker 7: effectives having on the building and street. What I'm seeing

587
00:30:08,735 --> 00:30:13,375
Speaker 7: is that it's absolutely pretty dire out there and it's

588
00:30:13,735 --> 00:30:17,935
Speaker 7: almost collapsing. And I'm predicting New Zealand, the New Zealand

589
00:30:17,935 --> 00:30:20,895
Speaker 7: construction industry, I think may lose up to fifteen to

590
00:30:20,895 --> 00:30:23,535
Speaker 7: twenty percent of its workers and a lot of those

591
00:30:23,535 --> 00:30:27,495
Speaker 7: will probably be new unfortunately, newly minted builders who have

592
00:30:27,535 --> 00:30:29,295
Speaker 7: probably gone out on their own because they just don't

593
00:30:29,295 --> 00:30:32,175
Speaker 7: have the networks for support themselves. And it'll be guys

594
00:30:32,575 --> 00:30:34,855
Speaker 7: people who have got into it. And this is another

595
00:30:34,935 --> 00:30:38,215
Speaker 7: bug bear in mind. Remember when just Finder and Labor government,

596
00:30:38,215 --> 00:30:40,935
Speaker 7: we're just pushing trades training like it's the greatest thing

597
00:30:40,975 --> 00:30:42,775
Speaker 7: on earth. It's just going to keep on going. You're

598
00:30:42,775 --> 00:30:45,215
Speaker 7: going to make lots of money. That brought in a

599
00:30:45,295 --> 00:30:48,495
Speaker 7: lot of people who probably shouldn't have been The building industry.

600
00:30:48,975 --> 00:30:51,815
Speaker 7: They didn't really have a natural aptitude or enjoyment for it.

601
00:30:51,855 --> 00:30:55,095
Speaker 7: And you know that annoyed me because they treated the

602
00:30:55,095 --> 00:30:57,695
Speaker 7: building industry like it was just a dumping ground. And

603
00:30:58,615 --> 00:31:02,055
Speaker 7: why should it be any different to say the law industry, Right,

604
00:31:02,055 --> 00:31:04,175
Speaker 7: you're not going to say that everyone can go under law.

605
00:31:04,855 --> 00:31:08,215
Speaker 7: You need a natural have to choose the things, don't you.

606
00:31:08,815 --> 00:31:11,095
Speaker 7: And the building industry was treated like a bit of

607
00:31:11,495 --> 00:31:15,495
Speaker 7: a dumping ground for people, and they don't realize that

608
00:31:15,855 --> 00:31:18,655
Speaker 7: building industry is a bloody half place and unless you

609
00:31:18,695 --> 00:31:22,655
Speaker 7: actually like it out there in the grind.

610
00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:25,095
Speaker 2: Right, And I guess you know you and I and

611
00:31:25,255 --> 00:31:28,255
Speaker 2: with growth respect, we're probably about the same age, and

612
00:31:28,295 --> 00:31:33,935
Speaker 2: so we've probably been through these downturns, right, and we

613
00:31:34,135 --> 00:31:37,455
Speaker 2: kind of know that we enjoy the good times while

614
00:31:37,455 --> 00:31:41,775
Speaker 2: they're out there, but ideally you're squirreling away a bit

615
00:31:41,775 --> 00:31:45,375
Speaker 2: of cash or you're reducing debt because you know that

616
00:31:45,495 --> 00:31:48,855
Speaker 2: it doesn't last, right, and enjoy it while it's there.

617
00:31:48,935 --> 00:31:51,855
Speaker 2: And I guess I have been for the last couple

618
00:31:51,895 --> 00:31:55,135
Speaker 2: of years, but worried, you know, looking around when it

619
00:31:55,175 --> 00:31:57,735
Speaker 2: was boom times and there's lots of new vehicles and

620
00:31:57,775 --> 00:32:00,375
Speaker 2: there's lots of new jet skis, and there's guys buying

621
00:32:00,455 --> 00:32:02,615
Speaker 2: boats and all the rest of it. And I'm going,

622
00:32:03,215 --> 00:32:05,655
Speaker 2: you know what, there's going to come a time when

623
00:32:05,775 --> 00:32:08,655
Speaker 2: you might need that cash just to keep your business going.

624
00:32:08,775 --> 00:32:11,615
Speaker 7: So it is the first thing to say that exactly

625
00:32:11,655 --> 00:32:14,575
Speaker 7: the same thought made all those young guys gone out

626
00:32:14,575 --> 00:32:17,775
Speaker 7: buying these new ranges and all that. And it's like

627
00:32:17,815 --> 00:32:20,455
Speaker 7: because they thought the party would never end, and look

628
00:32:20,455 --> 00:32:23,535
Speaker 7: at the last ten years and said, you know, we

629
00:32:23,655 --> 00:32:26,135
Speaker 7: kicked off after the GFC. It was like that, wasn't it.

630
00:32:26,175 --> 00:32:29,135
Speaker 7: I started, God, are not is this going to keep

631
00:32:29,215 --> 00:32:32,695
Speaker 7: going for forty fifty years? I never went out on

632
00:32:32,735 --> 00:32:35,775
Speaker 7: a spending spree. No, you want to try and reduce

633
00:32:35,815 --> 00:32:38,575
Speaker 7: your mortgage, you get, But do you know what the

634
00:32:38,655 --> 00:32:42,655
Speaker 7: problem is that we get this talk about Okay, you know,

635
00:32:42,735 --> 00:32:45,895
Speaker 7: get yourself a bit of a get it head of

636
00:32:45,895 --> 00:32:48,255
Speaker 7: yourself right reduced there and all that kind of thing.

637
00:32:48,575 --> 00:32:52,055
Speaker 7: But you might even get yourself a decent sort of

638
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:54,375
Speaker 7: personal reserve, right bit of money in the bank, have

639
00:32:54,415 --> 00:32:58,535
Speaker 7: your mortgage down, but if you've got living expenses, if

640
00:32:58,575 --> 00:33:01,375
Speaker 7: you don't have work within three months, even when you

641
00:33:01,455 --> 00:33:05,615
Speaker 7: have no debt, you can go down very quickly, even

642
00:33:05,655 --> 00:33:08,215
Speaker 7: in those circum stance is just due to the costel living,

643
00:33:08,295 --> 00:33:10,855
Speaker 7: having to support your family with just the day to

644
00:33:10,935 --> 00:33:13,735
Speaker 7: day belts. Now, these guys who are on one point by,

645
00:33:13,815 --> 00:33:16,775
Speaker 7: you know, these couples have got themselves and like over

646
00:33:16,815 --> 00:33:19,735
Speaker 7: a million dollars and they're now gone from three to

647
00:33:19,815 --> 00:33:22,455
Speaker 7: four percent up to seven point five percent with no

648
00:33:23,815 --> 00:33:28,535
Speaker 7: you know reprieve. They're suffering now. And people, look, I'm

649
00:33:28,575 --> 00:33:31,175
Speaker 7: self employed, right the zimon stros can be a builder,

650
00:33:32,375 --> 00:33:35,775
Speaker 7: got restudying and got into architecture. So yeah, I started

651
00:33:35,855 --> 00:33:37,655
Speaker 7: that the same time as you, and I started my

652
00:33:37,695 --> 00:33:41,255
Speaker 7: apprenticeship just after share market crash in eighty seven. And

653
00:33:41,415 --> 00:33:44,975
Speaker 7: this feels like then, not even if it feels worse

654
00:33:45,015 --> 00:33:48,655
Speaker 7: on GESC. And I'm getting multiple people calling me now

655
00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:51,415
Speaker 7: which I've never had, looking for work, and I'm not

656
00:33:51,455 --> 00:33:54,975
Speaker 7: even I don't hire a building here that I'm an

657
00:33:55,015 --> 00:33:57,015
Speaker 7: architectal And maybe I'm just.

658
00:33:58,015 --> 00:34:00,135
Speaker 2: In that sense, I'm not too dissimilar to you where

659
00:34:00,175 --> 00:34:02,015
Speaker 2: I've I've had a couple of takes and a few

660
00:34:02,055 --> 00:34:04,855
Speaker 2: phone calls over the last couple of months from I

661
00:34:04,895 --> 00:34:07,255
Speaker 2: suppose people that I've worked with over the years who

662
00:34:07,495 --> 00:34:10,935
Speaker 2: have never been short of work. Who are suddenly going, hey,

663
00:34:11,415 --> 00:34:13,815
Speaker 2: you know I've got even if they've got no work,

664
00:34:13,855 --> 00:34:16,855
Speaker 2: Suddenly they don't have one job rolling on to another.

665
00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:19,975
Speaker 2: And you know, every day you're sitting at home, you're

666
00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:24,535
Speaker 2: going backwards, right. And I think the other thing that's

667
00:34:24,575 --> 00:34:28,375
Speaker 2: turned around pretty quick is eighteen months ago you just

668
00:34:28,535 --> 00:34:30,015
Speaker 2: if someone rang and said I want you to do

669
00:34:30,055 --> 00:34:32,655
Speaker 2: a job, you just go, here's my rates, and if

670
00:34:32,695 --> 00:34:35,775
Speaker 2: you pay it, I'll start. And so people weren't pricing,

671
00:34:35,815 --> 00:34:38,855
Speaker 2: and I suppose in that sense, to be fair, there

672
00:34:38,895 --> 00:34:41,895
Speaker 2: was a little bit of complacency that crept in. Right, Hey,

673
00:34:41,935 --> 00:34:43,655
Speaker 2: I don't have to price for work. I don't have

674
00:34:43,695 --> 00:34:45,815
Speaker 2: to try and stay on top of my cost that much.

675
00:34:45,935 --> 00:34:50,335
Speaker 2: People will pay me whatever I feel like. And that's

676
00:34:50,535 --> 00:34:54,695
Speaker 2: gone suddenly. So it's fairly competitive. And for those that

677
00:34:54,775 --> 00:34:57,775
Speaker 2: haven't worked really hard at building up their network, you

678
00:34:57,815 --> 00:35:00,375
Speaker 2: know their clients because I think again, most of us

679
00:35:00,375 --> 00:35:02,775
Speaker 2: that have been around for a while, we've ended up

680
00:35:02,775 --> 00:35:05,455
Speaker 2: with those clients that might come to us when things

681
00:35:05,495 --> 00:35:08,815
Speaker 2: are quiet. I've put off doing a job because I

682
00:35:08,855 --> 00:35:11,495
Speaker 2: was waiting for the right time, and now might be

683
00:35:11,535 --> 00:35:13,495
Speaker 2: that right time, and the other I'm going to have

684
00:35:13,535 --> 00:35:15,335
Speaker 2: to move on. But The other comment that I would

685
00:35:15,375 --> 00:35:18,095
Speaker 2: make too talking to a number of people is this

686
00:35:18,175 --> 00:35:22,135
Speaker 2: is arguably exactly the time that the government should be

687
00:35:22,735 --> 00:35:26,535
Speaker 2: pumping the building sector in terms of stuff that they

688
00:35:26,575 --> 00:35:30,135
Speaker 2: need to get done. And I'm involved in schools and

689
00:35:30,535 --> 00:35:34,415
Speaker 2: that decision to abandon a whole lot of school building

690
00:35:34,455 --> 00:35:38,135
Speaker 2: and extension programs. I understand why they did it, because

691
00:35:38,135 --> 00:35:40,655
Speaker 2: I think nobody had a real idea of what the

692
00:35:40,695 --> 00:35:43,135
Speaker 2: costs were. But if you need to build, and you

693
00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:47,375
Speaker 2: need to build public stuff, housing, schools, hospitals, do it

694
00:35:47,455 --> 00:35:52,935
Speaker 2: right now because right now is the opportunity that you

695
00:35:53,015 --> 00:35:56,895
Speaker 2: can control your costs a little bit better, there's much

696
00:35:56,935 --> 00:35:59,535
Speaker 2: more availability. Now is the time to do it, because

697
00:35:59,575 --> 00:36:02,455
Speaker 2: inevitably we'll come out of this, right I think.

698
00:36:02,655 --> 00:36:06,975
Speaker 7: Again, Yeah, environment, and I tell you it's not different.

699
00:36:07,135 --> 00:36:09,695
Speaker 2: That's the slightly worrying thing is that, you know the

700
00:36:09,775 --> 00:36:10,975
Speaker 2: number of people that I've talked to.

701
00:36:12,375 --> 00:36:14,815
Speaker 7: Just quick, quick, quickly, when people were talking about the

702
00:36:14,855 --> 00:36:17,975
Speaker 7: high interest rates my seventies when they were like seventies,

703
00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,655
Speaker 7: but they actually got their mortgages at that time and

704
00:36:20,695 --> 00:36:23,295
Speaker 7: then interest rates started coming down, So yeah, there were

705
00:36:23,375 --> 00:36:26,615
Speaker 7: times they were already stress tested at that high interest rate.

706
00:36:26,695 --> 00:36:26,895
Speaker 3: Yep.

707
00:36:27,095 --> 00:36:29,055
Speaker 7: These young We've got a whole lot of people who

708
00:36:29,055 --> 00:36:32,055
Speaker 7: are stress tested at three percent now and it all

709
00:36:32,095 --> 00:36:33,295
Speaker 7: gone up to seven percent.

710
00:36:33,455 --> 00:36:35,535
Speaker 2: No, I think that anyone who got loans at three

711
00:36:35,575 --> 00:36:38,255
Speaker 2: percent and to be fair onm in that boat, you know,

712
00:36:38,335 --> 00:36:41,175
Speaker 2: I know that the bank behind the scenes were testing

713
00:36:41,175 --> 00:36:43,295
Speaker 2: it at seven seven and a half percent.

714
00:36:43,055 --> 00:36:44,335
Speaker 3: But we're close to that now.

715
00:36:45,735 --> 00:36:49,655
Speaker 2: So yeah, I look, it's not pretty out there, and

716
00:36:49,695 --> 00:36:53,095
Speaker 2: it's I was really hoping that we would see some

717
00:36:53,135 --> 00:36:58,815
Speaker 2: green shoots around September, October, November. Now I'm thinking, really,

718
00:36:58,935 --> 00:37:02,135
Speaker 2: you've got to hang until the beginning well into next year,

719
00:37:02,215 --> 00:37:04,255
Speaker 2: maybe quarter two of twenty twenty five.

720
00:37:05,895 --> 00:37:08,535
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, And the government's kind of have to bring

721
00:37:08,535 --> 00:37:10,055
Speaker 7: in people, mate, They're going to have to open up

722
00:37:10,055 --> 00:37:12,135
Speaker 7: that floodgates actually stay the country.

723
00:37:12,175 --> 00:37:16,095
Speaker 2: I think, Well, I don't know whether I mean arguably

724
00:37:16,135 --> 00:37:18,495
Speaker 2: that that's like a full stimulus to the economy.

725
00:37:18,495 --> 00:37:19,575
Speaker 3: I just wonder whether No.

726
00:37:19,615 --> 00:37:21,695
Speaker 7: But we need it, mate. It's the only I think

727
00:37:21,695 --> 00:37:24,095
Speaker 7: it's the only tangible thing that can bring money into

728
00:37:24,095 --> 00:37:26,735
Speaker 7: this country. And it's always saved us. We connect at

729
00:37:26,735 --> 00:37:29,295
Speaker 7: ourselves thinking we're our own little engine and we can

730
00:37:29,295 --> 00:37:32,655
Speaker 7: do it all ourselves with our own This number why

731
00:37:32,815 --> 00:37:34,655
Speaker 7: mentality has proven to be a pelvis you.

732
00:37:35,055 --> 00:37:37,975
Speaker 2: I agree that we probably need you know, I've just

733
00:37:38,015 --> 00:37:41,375
Speaker 2: been in Melbourne, right and Melbourne's five million people just

734
00:37:41,615 --> 00:37:43,815
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, so I can see you know, you can

735
00:37:43,855 --> 00:37:44,735
Speaker 2: see the scale of.

736
00:37:44,695 --> 00:37:45,615
Speaker 3: The economy there.

737
00:37:46,295 --> 00:37:48,695
Speaker 2: So I don't disgree with you about population numbers, whether

738
00:37:48,775 --> 00:37:50,575
Speaker 2: or not we by bringing a whole lot of people

739
00:37:50,655 --> 00:37:55,095
Speaker 2: suddenly we actually just exacerbate the issues, or whether I

740
00:37:55,135 --> 00:37:58,055
Speaker 2: really do firmly believe like right now is the time

741
00:37:58,095 --> 00:38:00,335
Speaker 2: for government to be going. Actually, you know what if

742
00:38:00,335 --> 00:38:02,695
Speaker 2: we need to do some school building, throw away those

743
00:38:02,695 --> 00:38:04,855
Speaker 2: old contracts for sure. But you go to the market

744
00:38:04,935 --> 00:38:06,175
Speaker 2: right now and I think you get.

745
00:38:06,015 --> 00:38:06,975
Speaker 3: Really good rates.

746
00:38:07,415 --> 00:38:09,455
Speaker 2: Good of you to call, really appreciate the comment and

747
00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:11,815
Speaker 2: the insight. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We've

748
00:38:11,815 --> 00:38:13,055
Speaker 2: got new sport and we're the top of the are.

749
00:38:13,135 --> 00:38:16,455
Speaker 2: But before then, Jason, good morning to you, good.

750
00:38:16,295 --> 00:38:17,575
Speaker 6: Morning, good money.

751
00:38:18,015 --> 00:38:19,055
Speaker 10: I'm Jason Allen.

752
00:38:19,695 --> 00:38:21,055
Speaker 11: I'm a driver of God.

753
00:38:21,775 --> 00:38:22,895
Speaker 6: I was with him.

754
00:38:27,255 --> 00:38:29,695
Speaker 2: And then I well, I might be off to mass

755
00:38:29,735 --> 00:38:31,335
Speaker 2: later on today. I'm not sure that we want to

756
00:38:31,335 --> 00:38:34,495
Speaker 2: talk about that right now. I'll tell you what, Daryl,

757
00:38:34,535 --> 00:38:36,775
Speaker 2: if you don't mind, just hold on till after the news,

758
00:38:36,775 --> 00:38:38,695
Speaker 2: because otherwise we'll end up crashing into the news and

759
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:42,535
Speaker 2: it'll be a hastily wrapped up conversation. A couple of

760
00:38:42,575 --> 00:38:45,615
Speaker 2: text messages, Pete, what's the best product out there to

761
00:38:45,695 --> 00:38:47,255
Speaker 2: keep gutters clear of leaves?

762
00:38:47,295 --> 00:38:48,655
Speaker 3: We've got very high gutters.

763
00:38:48,695 --> 00:38:52,335
Speaker 2: It's extremely difficult to reach them from donner. Look, there's

764
00:38:52,335 --> 00:38:54,415
Speaker 2: a couple of options out there. There are sort of

765
00:38:54,415 --> 00:38:58,735
Speaker 2: the permanent solutions. I a mesh that's fixed down onto

766
00:38:58,735 --> 00:39:01,575
Speaker 2: the roofing itself, whether it's concrete tiles or long run

767
00:39:01,855 --> 00:39:04,935
Speaker 2: and then fixed down onto the gutter and so material

768
00:39:05,895 --> 00:39:08,855
Speaker 2: just shoot right across the top of them. That's out there.

769
00:39:09,375 --> 00:39:12,055
Speaker 2: There are a couple of sort of more DIY solutions,

770
00:39:12,055 --> 00:39:15,415
Speaker 2: so like the gutter foam for example, or the whiskers

771
00:39:15,455 --> 00:39:17,935
Speaker 2: that you can lay in. They require a little bit

772
00:39:17,935 --> 00:39:20,855
Speaker 2: of maintenance. The gutafoam one I have used a little bit,

773
00:39:20,895 --> 00:39:23,015
Speaker 2: and I kind of like it in the sense that

774
00:39:23,095 --> 00:39:25,855
Speaker 2: it provides a flat surface and the leaves don't get

775
00:39:25,855 --> 00:39:27,895
Speaker 2: stuck in it. I've got one place that I look

776
00:39:27,935 --> 00:39:32,615
Speaker 2: after that has the bristles like a bottlebrush type thing

777
00:39:33,895 --> 00:39:36,295
Speaker 2: that sits in there, but leaves will get trapped in it.

778
00:39:36,335 --> 00:39:38,335
Speaker 2: So every now and then, in fact, it's on my

779
00:39:38,415 --> 00:39:40,815
Speaker 2: list of things to do, pull those all out rints

780
00:39:40,855 --> 00:39:42,895
Speaker 2: out the gutters and go back. There are also some

781
00:39:42,935 --> 00:39:46,055
Speaker 2: people who do gutter cleaning using a vacuum, like on

782
00:39:46,095 --> 00:39:50,775
Speaker 2: a periscope type vacuum, so they'll come and suck that out. So, yeah,

783
00:39:50,855 --> 00:39:52,735
Speaker 2: you can do it. So there's a couple of options there.

784
00:39:53,055 --> 00:39:56,535
Speaker 2: We'll talk about screw popping and someone previous I had

785
00:39:56,535 --> 00:39:58,695
Speaker 2: previously mentioned a product or a mixture that has good

786
00:39:58,775 --> 00:40:01,935
Speaker 2: results from removing black mold on timber windows.

787
00:40:01,775 --> 00:40:04,855
Speaker 3: Oxalic acid. Oxalic acid.

788
00:40:04,895 --> 00:40:07,015
Speaker 2: You can make it up into a little pain invited

789
00:40:07,135 --> 00:40:10,855
Speaker 2: chemist and apply that and it helps to It's like

790
00:40:10,895 --> 00:40:13,815
Speaker 2: a poultice and it draws out that stain. You can

791
00:40:13,895 --> 00:40:16,455
Speaker 2: also buy I've noticed at some of the hardware stores,

792
00:40:17,295 --> 00:40:20,855
Speaker 2: like a stain remover for timber as well, effectively oxalic acid,

793
00:40:20,895 --> 00:40:23,735
Speaker 2: but already in a package ready to use. It might

794
00:40:23,775 --> 00:40:26,655
Speaker 2: take a few more calls with regard to some of

795
00:40:26,695 --> 00:40:29,095
Speaker 2: those issues around the state of the economy and building,

796
00:40:29,375 --> 00:40:31,415
Speaker 2: but yeah, I firmly believe that now would be a

797
00:40:31,415 --> 00:40:34,375
Speaker 2: good time for the government to get into the building game.

798
00:40:34,815 --> 00:40:38,015
Speaker 3: Back after the breaks.

799
00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:08,575
Speaker 12: In the whole, stir the heart.

800
00:41:10,655 --> 00:41:17,455
Speaker 13: We took a heart love, but we're all right. Yeah

801
00:41:18,655 --> 00:41:23,215
Speaker 13: sure cantra to put love do it?

802
00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:23,655
Speaker 14: Bird?

803
00:41:24,095 --> 00:41:29,535
Speaker 12: We this right is so than's ever gone. Move it

804
00:41:29,615 --> 00:41:30,895
Speaker 12: when the bones are.

805
00:41:30,815 --> 00:41:35,215
Speaker 15: Good, rest, don't you're the pink or feel that's goo

806
00:41:35,375 --> 00:41:36,175
Speaker 15: shadow that the.

807
00:41:36,255 --> 00:41:39,855
Speaker 12: Boy, because you will have remains.

808
00:41:42,015 --> 00:41:47,695
Speaker 15: When they crack in the foundation, Debano the stone, Well,

809
00:41:47,935 --> 00:41:53,255
Speaker 15: visit the bound We stayed the hastn't fall in the

810
00:41:53,415 --> 00:41:55,655
Speaker 15: bones and good well.

811
00:41:55,535 --> 00:41:57,815
Speaker 2: A very good morning. Welcome back to the program. It's

812
00:41:58,015 --> 00:42:00,495
Speaker 2: Pete Wolf came the Reason Builder here at News Talk

813
00:42:00,535 --> 00:42:03,735
Speaker 2: c B for the Reason Builder on Sunday and we're

814
00:42:03,735 --> 00:42:07,735
Speaker 2: taking your calls on all things building construction ideas around

815
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:12,175
Speaker 2: insulation this morning. A fantastic story from Craig. Seriously, I've

816
00:42:12,215 --> 00:42:17,615
Speaker 2: never ever heard of something like the subterranean structure that

817
00:42:17,735 --> 00:42:20,735
Speaker 2: was discovered. It makes place after they bought a house

818
00:42:21,255 --> 00:42:24,055
Speaker 2: in the Central North Island. I'm now going to be

819
00:42:24,055 --> 00:42:27,335
Speaker 2: slightly secretive about the location just in case it generates

820
00:42:27,335 --> 00:42:31,215
Speaker 2: a lot of unwanted interest. So fascinating story. In a basement,

821
00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:34,175
Speaker 2: pull aside some cabinet, there's what looks like a tunnel

822
00:42:34,215 --> 00:42:39,375
Speaker 2: and it really is leading to another entire subterranean space,

823
00:42:39,455 --> 00:42:43,975
Speaker 2: a chamber located in the backyard, vast proportions as well.

824
00:42:44,055 --> 00:42:47,015
Speaker 2: Fascinating story. And then we have kind of straight into

825
00:42:47,135 --> 00:42:50,815
Speaker 2: I guess stuff that's not strictly related to the nuts

826
00:42:50,815 --> 00:42:54,575
Speaker 2: and bolts of building, but the state of the building

827
00:42:54,615 --> 00:42:57,975
Speaker 2: sector is of genuine concern, both to people who are

828
00:42:58,015 --> 00:43:00,255
Speaker 2: working into it and to the economy in general. We're

829
00:43:00,295 --> 00:43:04,295
Speaker 2: about building sector is about fifteen percent of GDP right,

830
00:43:04,375 --> 00:43:08,455
Speaker 2: so if it's having a hard time, it's indicative and

831
00:43:08,495 --> 00:43:11,255
Speaker 2: reflective of the economy having a hard time. I was

832
00:43:11,295 --> 00:43:17,575
Speaker 2: at a pre cut pre nail manufacturer this week picking

833
00:43:17,655 --> 00:43:19,055
Speaker 2: up some materials.

834
00:43:18,655 --> 00:43:21,415
Speaker 3: And had a bit of a chat and I said,

835
00:43:21,455 --> 00:43:22,015
Speaker 3: how are you going?

836
00:43:22,055 --> 00:43:25,935
Speaker 2: He said, well, it's pretty quiet. We're down close to

837
00:43:26,055 --> 00:43:34,815
Speaker 2: fifty percent. Now that's a significant drop in output. And

838
00:43:35,775 --> 00:43:37,975
Speaker 2: went on to chat for a little while, and they've

839
00:43:38,055 --> 00:43:40,815
Speaker 2: let a couple of people go, and I'm sort of going, well,

840
00:43:41,215 --> 00:43:44,015
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that people who you know, if they're on

841
00:43:44,055 --> 00:43:46,655
Speaker 2: the floor in the factory and you're letting them go,

842
00:43:47,255 --> 00:43:48,815
Speaker 2: you know what sorts of jobs are they're going to

843
00:43:48,815 --> 00:43:52,655
Speaker 2: be able to find. It's not easy and throughout the

844
00:43:52,655 --> 00:43:55,775
Speaker 2: construction sector. You're hearing this all of the time, so

845
00:43:56,175 --> 00:43:59,575
Speaker 2: anyway we might have some further discussion on that. I

846
00:43:59,775 --> 00:44:02,455
Speaker 2: actually was at the Radio Awards. Brad Olsen was there,

847
00:44:02,495 --> 00:44:06,655
Speaker 2: who's a regular contributor to various parts of zb's show,

848
00:44:07,575 --> 00:44:10,175
Speaker 2: and again we were talking about the construction sector and

849
00:44:10,215 --> 00:44:14,375
Speaker 2: what sort of green shoots he might see. Yeah, it

850
00:44:14,455 --> 00:44:16,695
Speaker 2: might be a while. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

851
00:44:16,735 --> 00:44:18,895
Speaker 2: is the number to call. We're talking all things building

852
00:44:18,935 --> 00:44:19,975
Speaker 2: and Darryl, thanks for waiting.

853
00:44:19,975 --> 00:44:22,695
Speaker 14: Good morning to you, Good morning, Pete, thank you very

854
00:44:22,775 --> 00:44:26,695
Speaker 14: much for having me on pleasure. Just yeah, So I've

855
00:44:26,695 --> 00:44:30,095
Speaker 14: got an older house that's got no roof space. So

856
00:44:30,255 --> 00:44:32,575
Speaker 14: if you stand inside, like say the lounge, dining room,

857
00:44:32,655 --> 00:44:34,535
Speaker 14: kitchen area, which is all open plan, you've got a

858
00:44:34,575 --> 00:44:36,695
Speaker 14: center being with the rafters coming off that you can

859
00:44:36,735 --> 00:44:39,895
Speaker 14: see exposed with a jib up in between the rafters. Yes,

860
00:44:41,855 --> 00:44:43,615
Speaker 14: very hot in summer, very cold in winter.

861
00:44:43,935 --> 00:44:44,215
Speaker 8: Yep.

862
00:44:44,935 --> 00:44:46,895
Speaker 14: So I've been looking at insulating. It Is that a

863
00:44:46,935 --> 00:44:49,375
Speaker 14: matter of just snapping another layer of jib and framing

864
00:44:49,455 --> 00:44:52,415
Speaker 14: underneath the rafters or do I have to look higher

865
00:44:52,495 --> 00:44:53,935
Speaker 14: up and look at the roof itself.

866
00:44:54,815 --> 00:44:57,175
Speaker 2: I guess because if you look at a cross section

867
00:44:57,295 --> 00:44:59,455
Speaker 2: through there, you're right, you're what you see when you're

868
00:44:59,455 --> 00:45:02,535
Speaker 2: standing there looking up is the rafters, and then there'll

869
00:45:02,575 --> 00:45:05,735
Speaker 2: be is it actually jib or is it like a

870
00:45:05,775 --> 00:45:08,535
Speaker 2: sheathing over the top of the rafters, and then if

871
00:45:08,535 --> 00:45:11,615
Speaker 2: you were to look above that, you'd find a perlin. Now,

872
00:45:11,975 --> 00:45:14,175
Speaker 2: depending on when the house was built, you might find

873
00:45:14,175 --> 00:45:17,055
Speaker 2: that those perlins are a four to two, so ninety

874
00:45:17,175 --> 00:45:20,055
Speaker 2: x forty five on edge, So you've got a ninety

875
00:45:20,095 --> 00:45:23,575
Speaker 2: mili space with some insulation in there. So the insulation

876
00:45:24,135 --> 00:45:25,895
Speaker 2: that they might have been able to put in there

877
00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:31,535
Speaker 2: is possibly around R two. New Building Code requirements would

878
00:45:31,535 --> 00:45:34,055
Speaker 2: mean that that should be R six point six, so

879
00:45:34,215 --> 00:45:36,455
Speaker 2: more than three times the amount that you've gotten there,

880
00:45:36,935 --> 00:45:38,975
Speaker 2: or even in the last couple of years, you'd expect

881
00:45:39,015 --> 00:45:41,215
Speaker 2: there to be somewhere around R three point six, so

882
00:45:41,215 --> 00:45:44,015
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty millimeters of insulation, which you

883
00:45:44,095 --> 00:45:45,135
Speaker 2: definitely won't have.

884
00:45:46,295 --> 00:45:47,135
Speaker 3: And then.

885
00:45:48,775 --> 00:45:51,335
Speaker 2: On top of that would be your roofing material. So

886
00:45:52,655 --> 00:45:54,775
Speaker 2: you've got two options. One is, if you really like

887
00:45:54,935 --> 00:45:58,375
Speaker 2: the look of the rafters, the exposed rafters, the depth

888
00:45:58,375 --> 00:46:01,375
Speaker 2: of the rafter and the underside of the sarking or

889
00:46:01,375 --> 00:46:04,575
Speaker 2: the ceiling. It's there, then it's take the roof off,

890
00:46:04,735 --> 00:46:08,135
Speaker 2: increase the depth up there, and add more insulation to that.

891
00:46:09,615 --> 00:46:11,575
Speaker 3: If you could tolerate.

892
00:46:12,055 --> 00:46:14,815
Speaker 2: Let's say, let's do you know roughly what size the

893
00:46:14,895 --> 00:46:18,855
Speaker 2: rafters are. Are they one fifty two hundred to fifty Like.

894
00:46:18,935 --> 00:46:21,815
Speaker 14: If I measured them from in the actual house up

895
00:46:21,815 --> 00:46:26,735
Speaker 14: to the job, they're looking at about forty with the

896
00:46:26,815 --> 00:46:27,375
Speaker 14: layer of job.

897
00:46:27,535 --> 00:46:30,135
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, So you know what you could do is

898
00:46:30,215 --> 00:46:34,775
Speaker 2: put seventy five one hundred millimeters of insulation into the

899
00:46:34,775 --> 00:46:38,015
Speaker 2: gaps in between the rafters and then fit new plaster

900
00:46:38,095 --> 00:46:40,215
Speaker 2: board in there, and that would that would give you

901
00:46:40,295 --> 00:46:43,895
Speaker 2: a significant boost because you'd add that number to whatever

902
00:46:43,935 --> 00:46:48,015
Speaker 2: insulation you've got above the sheathing layer, and the two

903
00:46:48,095 --> 00:46:50,775
Speaker 2: combined would give you a reasonable amount of insulation. And

904
00:46:50,815 --> 00:46:53,135
Speaker 2: then what you would end up is with only fifty

905
00:46:53,135 --> 00:46:56,935
Speaker 2: millimeters projection of that rafter, so you'd have some of

906
00:46:57,015 --> 00:47:01,375
Speaker 2: the look of that cathedral ceiling, but not as much.

907
00:47:01,495 --> 00:47:04,255
Speaker 2: So that would be that's relatively straightforward. You could also

908
00:47:04,375 --> 00:47:06,535
Speaker 2: take an option and just go, you know what, I'm

909
00:47:06,575 --> 00:47:09,295
Speaker 2: going to lose that detail in the ceiling and I'm

910
00:47:09,335 --> 00:47:12,655
Speaker 2: going to strap straight underneath the rafters and fill that

911
00:47:12,855 --> 00:47:16,335
Speaker 2: entire space with insulation. That would give you a quite

912
00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:19,175
Speaker 2: significant amount of insulation. It will feel like the rooms

913
00:47:19,175 --> 00:47:22,335
Speaker 2: a bit smaller and that the ceiling has come down,

914
00:47:22,695 --> 00:47:24,855
Speaker 2: but it would definitely give you a lot of insulation.

915
00:47:26,055 --> 00:47:28,135
Speaker 14: Would I have to look at any sort of having

916
00:47:28,255 --> 00:47:31,655
Speaker 14: two layers of jib plus the framing twice for natural

917
00:47:31,735 --> 00:47:33,935
Speaker 14: structure of the building that actually carry all that.

918
00:47:34,095 --> 00:47:37,615
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, if you've got access to an

919
00:47:37,655 --> 00:47:40,695
Speaker 2: engineer or to a drafts person who or an architect

920
00:47:40,695 --> 00:47:46,775
Speaker 2: who could do some calculations, I think it's probably worth considering.

921
00:47:47,335 --> 00:47:50,535
Speaker 2: In reality, I don't know that adding one layer of

922
00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:55,015
Speaker 2: plaster board and some insulation is going to stress the

923
00:47:55,535 --> 00:47:57,735
Speaker 2: existing timber there to the point where you know you're

924
00:47:57,735 --> 00:48:00,455
Speaker 2: worried about a collapse or something like that. But it's

925
00:48:00,495 --> 00:48:03,335
Speaker 2: worth considering, And certainly it's one of the issues about

926
00:48:03,375 --> 00:48:05,375
Speaker 2: oh well, if I put a new ceiling on, that's

927
00:48:05,455 --> 00:48:08,335
Speaker 2: then I've got two ceilings. And you know, plasterboard still

928
00:48:08,415 --> 00:48:11,015
Speaker 2: has a certain weight per square meter and you'd want

929
00:48:11,015 --> 00:48:14,295
Speaker 2: to calculate that, and insulation itself is relatively lightweight and

930
00:48:14,335 --> 00:48:17,815
Speaker 2: it's evenly distributed, so I think it's unlikely and Again,

931
00:48:17,855 --> 00:48:20,815
Speaker 2: if you did opt for, let's say, putting a whole

932
00:48:20,855 --> 00:48:24,215
Speaker 2: new ceiling underneath your existing choice, and you did do

933
00:48:24,295 --> 00:48:28,015
Speaker 2: some calculation and found that the span the depth of

934
00:48:28,055 --> 00:48:30,895
Speaker 2: the member was not sufficient for the span, you could

935
00:48:30,935 --> 00:48:34,375
Speaker 2: always add another choice next to it and starting to

936
00:48:34,415 --> 00:48:37,095
Speaker 2: become quite a big job. But that would or a

937
00:48:37,175 --> 00:48:41,175
Speaker 2: flitch or something like that. But I think most likely

938
00:48:41,615 --> 00:48:43,735
Speaker 2: it would be okay, and.

939
00:48:43,695 --> 00:48:46,415
Speaker 14: You wouldn't have to worry about creating a cavity of

940
00:48:46,575 --> 00:48:48,735
Speaker 14: no sort of ventilation in that cavity, not.

941
00:48:48,655 --> 00:48:52,095
Speaker 2: In that cavity there. One of the concerns with that

942
00:48:52,215 --> 00:48:57,135
Speaker 2: type of style roof is that often we have insufficient

943
00:48:57,615 --> 00:49:00,895
Speaker 2: ventilation over the top of the insulation underneath the iron.

944
00:49:01,015 --> 00:49:05,535
Speaker 2: So again, if they've taken a ninety x forty five

945
00:49:05,895 --> 00:49:08,695
Speaker 2: and put that on edge as the perlin over the

946
00:49:08,695 --> 00:49:12,375
Speaker 2: top of the sarking layer, ideally that shouldn't be full

947
00:49:12,415 --> 00:49:15,255
Speaker 2: of insulation to the very top, because then you've got

948
00:49:15,295 --> 00:49:17,975
Speaker 2: your roofing underlay over there and there should be an

949
00:49:17,975 --> 00:49:20,215
Speaker 2: insulation get which means of course that they don't have

950
00:49:20,295 --> 00:49:22,935
Speaker 2: ninety mili of insulation up there. It might only be

951
00:49:23,135 --> 00:49:25,255
Speaker 2: it might only be fifty mili of insulation.

952
00:49:27,015 --> 00:49:28,775
Speaker 14: I don't have opened some things in this house, and

953
00:49:28,815 --> 00:49:31,255
Speaker 14: that it does look poorly built. So I'm not sure

954
00:49:31,495 --> 00:49:33,575
Speaker 14: that would be an option. It was built sort of

955
00:49:33,855 --> 00:49:35,615
Speaker 14: late sixties, early seventies.

956
00:49:35,855 --> 00:49:36,695
Speaker 3: See, they may not.

957
00:49:36,615 --> 00:49:38,335
Speaker 14: Take one of those cheaper sort of houses.

958
00:49:38,495 --> 00:49:41,375
Speaker 2: Hey, look there may not be any insulation there at all.

959
00:49:43,215 --> 00:49:44,855
Speaker 2: And look, you know we're earlier on we were talking

960
00:49:44,895 --> 00:49:47,175
Speaker 2: about sort of underfloor insulation and this idea of having

961
00:49:47,215 --> 00:49:49,935
Speaker 2: a continuous layer of insulation. If you you know, like

962
00:49:50,015 --> 00:49:52,215
Speaker 2: if the roof, this is the other thing to consider.

963
00:49:53,055 --> 00:49:55,895
Speaker 2: If the roof is from the original house, it's probably

964
00:49:55,975 --> 00:50:00,095
Speaker 2: coming to the end of its life, right, So if

965
00:50:00,135 --> 00:50:02,775
Speaker 2: you have an assessment, an overall assessment of the building

966
00:50:02,775 --> 00:50:05,455
Speaker 2: condition and you go, actually, I think I'm a couple

967
00:50:05,495 --> 00:50:08,335
Speaker 2: of years away from having to replace the roof as

968
00:50:08,375 --> 00:50:11,575
Speaker 2: part of regular maintenance, that would be an opportunity. If

969
00:50:11,575 --> 00:50:14,615
Speaker 2: you're going to take the roof off, you could then

970
00:50:14,815 --> 00:50:19,375
Speaker 2: add more insulation or a different type of insulation, something

971
00:50:19,415 --> 00:50:21,855
Speaker 2: that's more effective in terms of like an EPs board

972
00:50:21,935 --> 00:50:26,415
Speaker 2: or something like that, like a dense polystyrene board to that,

973
00:50:26,695 --> 00:50:31,535
Speaker 2: and then do the reroof. Now, that's uneconomic if you're

974
00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:34,775
Speaker 2: pulling off a roof, that's still got some life to it,

975
00:50:35,095 --> 00:50:37,295
Speaker 2: but if it's reached the end of its life, then

976
00:50:37,335 --> 00:50:39,135
Speaker 2: you could go, well, actually, I'm going to take the

977
00:50:39,215 --> 00:50:41,415
Speaker 2: roof off. I'm going to add my insulation there. Then

978
00:50:41,455 --> 00:50:43,535
Speaker 2: I don't have to do anything. There's no disruption to

979
00:50:43,575 --> 00:50:46,415
Speaker 2: the inside of the house. I'm adding my insulation, and

980
00:50:46,495 --> 00:50:48,775
Speaker 2: if it's well detailed, you could end up with a

981
00:50:48,815 --> 00:50:52,615
Speaker 2: really continuous layer of insulation, effectively a warm roof, which

982
00:50:52,615 --> 00:50:56,375
Speaker 2: would be very very effective. But you've got to take

983
00:50:56,415 --> 00:50:58,015
Speaker 2: a whole of building approach to it.

984
00:50:58,975 --> 00:51:01,055
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, the roof doesn't look too bad, so

985
00:51:01,055 --> 00:51:03,295
Speaker 14: I think probably framing and doing something underneath is probably

986
00:51:03,295 --> 00:51:04,135
Speaker 14: the easiest best option.

987
00:51:04,375 --> 00:51:06,775
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because look, a reroof is going to start

988
00:51:06,815 --> 00:51:08,735
Speaker 2: sort of in the thirty thousand dollar bracket and go

989
00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:14,855
Speaker 2: up from there, whereas you know, doing something on the underside. Yeah,

990
00:51:16,015 --> 00:51:20,015
Speaker 2: I suppose the most cost effective is probably to investigate

991
00:51:20,095 --> 00:51:24,295
Speaker 2: an insulation layer that's like a semi rigid one that

992
00:51:24,455 --> 00:51:30,455
Speaker 2: has reasonable For example, if you look at Kingspan, right, Kingspan, Yeah,

993
00:51:30,455 --> 00:51:34,895
Speaker 2: make a product which is insulation adhered to plasterboard. So

994
00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:39,135
Speaker 2: in your situation, you could think about taking whatever little

995
00:51:39,175 --> 00:51:44,135
Speaker 2: beating is off around that's around the perimeter of the rafters,

996
00:51:44,935 --> 00:51:48,815
Speaker 2: cutting neatly. You know, a plasterboard that's already got insulation

997
00:51:48,895 --> 00:51:52,575
Speaker 2: on it, fixing that up directly, reinstating the bee, doing

998
00:51:52,655 --> 00:51:55,455
Speaker 2: the stopping, and there you've got insulation, and with that

999
00:51:55,495 --> 00:51:58,055
Speaker 2: would be kind of the minimum disruption or the least

1000
00:51:58,095 --> 00:52:04,495
Speaker 2: disruptive methodology. Okay, it's an option anyway, Yeah, yeah, I

1001
00:52:04,575 --> 00:52:07,175
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And as it I've spent a bit of

1002
00:52:07,175 --> 00:52:09,935
Speaker 2: time this week just going through sort of brands articles

1003
00:52:09,975 --> 00:52:11,975
Speaker 2: that I've had sitting on my desk for a while.

1004
00:52:12,975 --> 00:52:16,575
Speaker 2: And if you're interested in this area, have a look

1005
00:52:16,575 --> 00:52:18,695
Speaker 2: at the brand's website. There's a sort of a really

1006
00:52:18,695 --> 00:52:23,015
Speaker 2: good index of a whole lot of articles around insulation, retrofitting, upgrading,

1007
00:52:23,295 --> 00:52:25,895
Speaker 2: and so on. So brand's website's really helpful.

1008
00:52:27,055 --> 00:52:27,815
Speaker 14: No, that's perfect.

1009
00:52:28,175 --> 00:52:31,455
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1010
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1011
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1012
00:52:36,975 --> 00:52:41,055
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1013
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1014
00:52:45,335 --> 00:52:49,975
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1015
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1016
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1039
00:54:23,775 --> 00:54:24,975
Speaker 3: There's a couple of these come through.

1040
00:54:25,415 --> 00:54:27,215
Speaker 2: The problem is the pricing to build a house or

1041
00:54:27,215 --> 00:54:29,775
Speaker 2: getting renovations done has got to a level it's outrageous.

1042
00:54:29,815 --> 00:54:32,335
Speaker 2: The tradesmen will have to work, but there's too many

1043
00:54:32,655 --> 00:54:41,615
Speaker 2: will have work, but there's still too many cowboys out there. Look,

1044
00:54:42,055 --> 00:54:44,815
Speaker 2: it's been an issue in the industry for as long

1045
00:54:45,095 --> 00:54:49,015
Speaker 2: as I've been building, and for a long time before me,

1046
00:54:49,055 --> 00:54:52,175
Speaker 2: and probably for a long time after me. And I

1047
00:54:52,215 --> 00:54:55,015
Speaker 2: guess some of that comes down to the discernment.

1048
00:54:54,455 --> 00:54:55,575
Speaker 3: Of the client, you know.

1049
00:54:55,895 --> 00:54:59,735
Speaker 2: And I remember years ago talking with someone and she

1050
00:55:00,255 --> 00:55:05,135
Speaker 2: had a small renovation and she got I think it

1051
00:55:05,215 --> 00:55:10,615
Speaker 2: was twelve p for the work right, and took the

1052
00:55:10,695 --> 00:55:16,775
Speaker 2: cheapest price and then wondered why it didn't go well. So,

1053
00:55:17,135 --> 00:55:19,655
Speaker 2: you know, maybe part of this is also, Yeah, the

1054
00:55:19,695 --> 00:55:21,775
Speaker 2: cowboys are out there, but they're only getting your money

1055
00:55:21,815 --> 00:55:23,935
Speaker 2: if you give it to them. Oh wait, one hundred

1056
00:55:23,975 --> 00:55:26,895
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighties. Then I would call Rheann, good morning

1057
00:55:26,935 --> 00:55:31,815
Speaker 2: to you, sir, very well, how can I help?

1058
00:55:33,215 --> 00:55:36,535
Speaker 5: I just have a question in regards to retaining wall.

1059
00:55:37,335 --> 00:55:39,975
Speaker 5: Mine was damaged in Auckland floods last year.

1060
00:55:40,175 --> 00:55:40,415
Speaker 14: Yep.

1061
00:55:41,415 --> 00:55:45,495
Speaker 5: Now my issue is my property border is a small reserve.

1062
00:55:46,495 --> 00:55:52,015
Speaker 5: Now it was constructed the house mid eighties. I can't

1063
00:55:52,015 --> 00:55:55,535
Speaker 5: find any record on a property file of retaining wall.

1064
00:55:55,935 --> 00:55:58,655
Speaker 5: The counsel has come back. They say they can't find

1065
00:55:58,735 --> 00:56:02,615
Speaker 5: any record of them constructing a retaining wall. And it

1066
00:56:02,615 --> 00:56:07,455
Speaker 5: appears originally one of us constructed that ground was sort

1067
00:56:07,495 --> 00:56:11,775
Speaker 5: of fairly even on both sides. My assessement would be

1068
00:56:12,255 --> 00:56:16,815
Speaker 5: it was more put up, you know, to be sufficient

1069
00:56:16,855 --> 00:56:20,255
Speaker 5: to do landscaping inside my section and stuff. Now it

1070
00:56:20,295 --> 00:56:24,335
Speaker 5: was pushed out a meter and a half or fifteen

1071
00:56:24,935 --> 00:56:28,655
Speaker 5: fifteen meters stretch, and in some places on the reserve

1072
00:56:28,655 --> 00:56:31,135
Speaker 5: there's a large L shape. Some places it's sort of

1073
00:56:31,615 --> 00:56:35,295
Speaker 5: when all the concrete has been exposed. How the original

1074
00:56:35,295 --> 00:56:38,375
Speaker 5: post only looks to be maybe I would say one

1075
00:56:38,415 --> 00:56:42,775
Speaker 5: point five to one point eight meters, and the geotech

1076
00:56:43,375 --> 00:56:46,975
Speaker 5: assessment says I now have to put it and a

1077
00:56:47,015 --> 00:56:54,295
Speaker 5: half meter long file into the soil there. It's is

1078
00:56:54,375 --> 00:57:02,575
Speaker 5: there anything that where it was originally constructed depends the

1079
00:57:02,615 --> 00:57:04,255
Speaker 5: liability for it or.

1080
00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:09,015
Speaker 2: Look, and it's probably not news that you would want

1081
00:57:09,055 --> 00:57:13,935
Speaker 2: to hear. But my approach would be if the retaining

1082
00:57:13,975 --> 00:57:17,055
Speaker 2: war is on your property, So if you if the

1083
00:57:17,135 --> 00:57:21,135
Speaker 2: boundary is determined right, either by a surveyor coming to

1084
00:57:21,175 --> 00:57:25,975
Speaker 2: do a boundary survey, or whether there are existing boundary

1085
00:57:26,015 --> 00:57:30,135
Speaker 2: markers in place, if the wall is on your side

1086
00:57:30,175 --> 00:57:34,295
Speaker 2: of the boundary, then it's your problem to deal with.

1087
00:57:35,415 --> 00:57:38,735
Speaker 2: And so because it would have been added for the

1088
00:57:38,735 --> 00:57:41,295
Speaker 2: benefit of your property, the fact that it happens to

1089
00:57:42,815 --> 00:57:45,095
Speaker 2: your neighbor happens to be the counsel in terms of

1090
00:57:45,175 --> 00:57:49,655
Speaker 2: a public reserve kind of really doesn't come into it.

1091
00:57:50,575 --> 00:57:53,935
Speaker 2: So it would have been in my experience, it would

1092
00:57:53,935 --> 00:57:56,975
Speaker 2: have been unusual for it to have been added for

1093
00:57:57,055 --> 00:58:01,895
Speaker 2: the benefit of the council and then become their responsibility.

1094
00:58:02,455 --> 00:58:05,695
Speaker 2: So I think if you if you know where the

1095
00:58:05,695 --> 00:58:08,095
Speaker 2: boundary is and the walls on your side, it's going

1096
00:58:08,135 --> 00:58:12,735
Speaker 2: to become your responsibility. Now you could try. And interestingly enough,

1097
00:58:12,735 --> 00:58:15,015
Speaker 2: when we had Hamish Firth, a town planner and with

1098
00:58:15,095 --> 00:58:17,455
Speaker 2: us last week in the studio, there was a similar

1099
00:58:17,535 --> 00:58:21,895
Speaker 2: question where someone realized that a lot of the water

1100
00:58:21,935 --> 00:58:24,895
Speaker 2: that flowed onto their property during those flood events last

1101
00:58:24,935 --> 00:58:28,175
Speaker 2: year came from a council reserve. So does council have

1102
00:58:28,215 --> 00:58:33,575
Speaker 2: a responsibility to maintain that area to ensure that it

1103
00:58:33,615 --> 00:58:38,695
Speaker 2: doesn't become a nuisance to you? Possibly they do. With

1104
00:58:38,935 --> 00:58:40,975
Speaker 2: all of the things that council have got to deal

1105
00:58:41,015 --> 00:58:44,015
Speaker 2: with in terms of flooding, your chances of getting anything

1106
00:58:44,055 --> 00:58:48,695
Speaker 2: from them is I think just about zero right now realistically.

1107
00:58:49,695 --> 00:58:51,695
Speaker 2: And then I guess if you're going to build a

1108
00:58:51,735 --> 00:58:55,655
Speaker 2: retaining wall on the boundary, that triggers a requirement for

1109
00:58:55,895 --> 00:59:02,575
Speaker 2: specific design because it's on the boundary, and that would

1110
00:59:02,655 --> 00:59:04,615
Speaker 2: mean that then you've got to listen to what the

1111
00:59:04,655 --> 00:59:08,655
Speaker 2: engineer is telling you, and engineers are risk averse. So, yeah,

1112
00:59:08,775 --> 00:59:10,775
Speaker 2: your piles that used to be a meter and a

1113
00:59:10,775 --> 00:59:13,495
Speaker 2: half long have now become six meter ones. And I

1114
00:59:13,575 --> 00:59:16,575
Speaker 2: know the cost involved in doing something like that. You know,

1115
00:59:16,655 --> 00:59:20,415
Speaker 2: potentially you're going to be spending tens if not maybe

1116
00:59:20,495 --> 00:59:23,295
Speaker 2: even over one hundred thousand dollars rebuilding a retaining wall

1117
00:59:23,335 --> 00:59:23,655
Speaker 2: like that.

1118
00:59:25,335 --> 00:59:31,175
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's why I'm wondering. So that all depends

1119
00:59:31,215 --> 00:59:35,255
Speaker 5: on where it was originally constructed or is it where

1120
00:59:35,295 --> 00:59:36,135
Speaker 5: it's sitting now?

1121
00:59:36,855 --> 00:59:40,015
Speaker 2: No, I well, let's say it's now further into your

1122
00:59:40,015 --> 00:59:42,575
Speaker 2: property because it's collapsed. But if the base of the

1123
00:59:42,615 --> 00:59:47,455
Speaker 2: original retaining wall is clearly within your property, then it

1124
00:59:47,535 --> 00:59:50,855
Speaker 2: is definitely for your benefit, and I think unfortunate. Well,

1125
00:59:51,255 --> 00:59:53,095
Speaker 2: it means that you're responsible for it.

1126
00:59:54,055 --> 00:59:57,055
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, the other way that the slipper is on

1127
00:59:57,175 --> 01:00:01,615
Speaker 5: the slip and the and the lots of soilers on

1128
01:00:01,655 --> 01:00:05,215
Speaker 5: the reserve side pushed out into the into the reserve.

1129
01:00:05,455 --> 01:00:05,695
Speaker 3: Right.

1130
01:00:06,295 --> 01:00:11,135
Speaker 2: If the wall though, is on your side of the

1131
01:00:11,135 --> 01:00:15,415
Speaker 2: boundary and it's collapsed and it's gone into the council reserve,

1132
01:00:16,095 --> 01:00:19,375
Speaker 2: then you're still responsible for it, because again I would

1133
01:00:19,375 --> 01:00:23,615
Speaker 2: have suspected that the wall was built to then raise

1134
01:00:23,695 --> 01:00:26,695
Speaker 2: the level of your property to give you a level area,

1135
01:00:27,175 --> 01:00:30,815
Speaker 2: rather than having been built to allow council to have

1136
01:00:31,735 --> 01:00:35,015
Speaker 2: excavated down or something like that. So typically when we

1137
01:00:35,055 --> 01:00:38,655
Speaker 2: build a retaining wall, we do it for the purpose

1138
01:00:38,695 --> 01:00:40,895
Speaker 2: either of the high side or the low side. Right,

1139
01:00:41,895 --> 01:00:43,935
Speaker 2: So it's either we put one on the wall on

1140
01:00:44,015 --> 01:00:46,855
Speaker 2: the boundary because we need to excavate down to get

1141
01:00:46,975 --> 01:00:49,215
Speaker 2: our slab down so we can get a house at

1142
01:00:49,215 --> 01:00:52,295
Speaker 2: a certain height, or we put one on the boundary

1143
01:00:52,295 --> 01:00:54,495
Speaker 2: because we want to raise the level to create some

1144
01:00:54,575 --> 01:00:57,455
Speaker 2: level area. And I suspect that that wall has been

1145
01:00:57,455 --> 01:01:01,495
Speaker 2: built on your property for your benefit and so again

1146
01:01:01,615 --> 01:01:03,295
Speaker 2: you're going to be responsible for it.

1147
01:01:04,695 --> 01:01:09,575
Speaker 5: Are they liable stabilized reserve because obviously that would make

1148
01:01:09,735 --> 01:01:14,175
Speaker 5: certain more last much longer, will make it much cheaper

1149
01:01:14,215 --> 01:01:18,095
Speaker 5: and less invasive on the scope of work.

1150
01:01:18,175 --> 01:01:20,975
Speaker 2: As in a change the contour of the reserve to

1151
01:01:21,055 --> 01:01:23,215
Speaker 2: sort of buttress your property.

1152
01:01:24,175 --> 01:01:28,015
Speaker 5: Ah, there's to stabilize the soil because the slip is

1153
01:01:28,335 --> 01:01:34,575
Speaker 5: four when it happened, it's migrated like the met sort

1154
01:01:34,575 --> 01:01:39,375
Speaker 5: of a ul slip. Somebody I was told by someone,

1155
01:01:39,775 --> 01:01:43,135
Speaker 5: because it's not developed land by the council, they're not

1156
01:01:43,335 --> 01:01:48,655
Speaker 5: liable to keep it in any condition or do any

1157
01:01:48,695 --> 01:01:50,695
Speaker 5: remediation because it's not developed lands.

1158
01:01:51,135 --> 01:01:51,695
Speaker 4: That correct.

1159
01:01:52,615 --> 01:01:56,695
Speaker 2: I think that's probably correct. And I just know that

1160
01:01:56,775 --> 01:01:59,215
Speaker 2: at the moment, for everything that they've got to deal with,

1161
01:02:00,695 --> 01:02:02,575
Speaker 2: you're not going to get much out of them, and

1162
01:02:02,655 --> 01:02:05,855
Speaker 2: you can. You could spend a long time bashing your

1163
01:02:05,855 --> 01:02:07,695
Speaker 2: head against the wall trying to get something out of

1164
01:02:07,695 --> 01:02:12,695
Speaker 2: council and you probably won't. So I just think you

1165
01:02:12,815 --> 01:02:20,655
Speaker 2: won't get just yeah. I think ultimately it comes down

1166
01:02:20,655 --> 01:02:22,375
Speaker 2: to you're going to have to rebuild the wall, and

1167
01:02:22,455 --> 01:02:24,335
Speaker 2: it's going to cost you, and it's probably going to

1168
01:02:24,375 --> 01:02:28,775
Speaker 2: cost you a significant amount unfortunately, could you? But can

1169
01:02:28,815 --> 01:02:31,735
Speaker 2: you claim this on insurance because you know, retaining walls

1170
01:02:31,775 --> 01:02:33,975
Speaker 2: typically part of your insurance policy.

1171
01:02:35,015 --> 01:02:40,655
Speaker 5: I I you said, well, obviously they do cost of

1172
01:02:40,735 --> 01:02:44,615
Speaker 5: repairs or lots of land, whichever is lower. Right, Yeah,

1173
01:02:45,055 --> 01:02:48,255
Speaker 5: I've got very lower amount, and that's about fifty short

1174
01:02:48,295 --> 01:02:50,495
Speaker 5: of what the cost of the wall would be.

1175
01:02:51,295 --> 01:02:51,695
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1176
01:02:52,615 --> 01:02:54,855
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I you know, I think in this instance,

1177
01:02:55,295 --> 01:02:58,815
Speaker 2: any contribution you can get, either through insurance or equ see,

1178
01:02:59,055 --> 01:03:01,615
Speaker 2: I'd grab it with both hands and then it's going

1179
01:03:01,655 --> 01:03:03,495
Speaker 2: to take some of the pain out of your wallet.

1180
01:03:05,055 --> 01:03:06,855
Speaker 3: You know.

1181
01:03:06,535 --> 01:03:08,375
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what I was hoping, if I can

1182
01:03:08,415 --> 01:03:13,455
Speaker 5: get some some the council and saying it's a little

1183
01:03:13,455 --> 01:03:17,175
Speaker 5: bit of that as well. But if you say being

1184
01:03:17,255 --> 01:03:17,735
Speaker 5: against the.

1185
01:03:17,655 --> 01:03:24,215
Speaker 2: Wind, yeah, and if you had advice obviously from either

1186
01:03:24,255 --> 01:03:27,655
Speaker 2: an engineer or or someone involved in geotque or civil.

1187
01:03:27,375 --> 01:03:33,775
Speaker 5: Works, uh the sea see geotech. Hey, they did a

1188
01:03:33,815 --> 01:03:38,335
Speaker 5: statesment on it. They came out with a didn't meet

1189
01:03:38,335 --> 01:03:41,055
Speaker 5: a long while, yeah, and oil et cetera.

1190
01:03:42,695 --> 01:03:45,255
Speaker 2: M be interesting to sort of get your own opinion.

1191
01:03:45,295 --> 01:03:48,975
Speaker 2: I guess you may have to pay for it. I

1192
01:03:49,215 --> 01:03:51,135
Speaker 2: presume around you're in auckland somewhere.

1193
01:03:52,375 --> 01:03:56,135
Speaker 5: Yes, that's great, and as happy as I am in

1194
01:03:56,215 --> 01:04:00,255
Speaker 5: the whole street or area, it's only out property was affected.

1195
01:04:05,375 --> 01:04:08,575
Speaker 2: I'll tell you leave your number because I might get

1196
01:04:08,575 --> 01:04:12,415
Speaker 2: someone that I know to give you a call. Alright, alright,

1197
01:04:12,655 --> 01:04:15,775
Speaker 2: leave you number, good luck, all right, all the best

1198
01:04:16,455 --> 01:04:19,135
Speaker 2: to take care, all right, all the best. Ye bye

1199
01:04:19,135 --> 01:04:22,455
Speaker 2: by then, and along the same lines a text that's

1200
01:04:22,535 --> 01:04:22,895
Speaker 2: just come in.

1201
01:04:22,975 --> 01:04:25,495
Speaker 3: Actually, Pete.

1202
01:04:25,575 --> 01:04:27,855
Speaker 2: My question is I have a property which has water

1203
01:04:28,015 --> 01:04:31,495
Speaker 2: coming down from a neighboring property onto my property, and

1204
01:04:31,535 --> 01:04:34,455
Speaker 2: it's a torrent at times like a river. Does the

1205
01:04:34,535 --> 01:04:37,375
Speaker 2: neighbor have to have a drainage system to divert the

1206
01:04:37,455 --> 01:04:41,215
Speaker 2: water away from my property? Is a legal requirement for

1207
01:04:41,255 --> 01:04:44,335
Speaker 2: them to have it? Thank you from Dean. Yeah, And

1208
01:04:44,375 --> 01:04:46,935
Speaker 2: we've discussed this a couple of times on the program.

1209
01:04:47,015 --> 01:04:49,775
Speaker 2: So the issue is, and it's quite fascinating. If it's

1210
01:04:50,455 --> 01:04:54,295
Speaker 2: undisturbed land, If it's natural land, so maybe a reserve

1211
01:04:54,655 --> 01:04:57,735
Speaker 2: or we're talking farming areas, rural areas and so on.

1212
01:04:58,775 --> 01:05:02,095
Speaker 2: There isn't because that's just the natural flow of the land.

1213
01:05:02,335 --> 01:05:05,375
Speaker 2: But as soon as there's an intervention i e. Somebody

1214
01:05:05,375 --> 01:05:09,135
Speaker 2: builds something, the requirement is that all of us are

1215
01:05:09,295 --> 01:05:15,015
Speaker 2: as homeowners. If we're homeowners, we are responsible for all

1216
01:05:15,055 --> 01:05:18,455
Speaker 2: of the stormwater discharge from our property. So, for example,

1217
01:05:18,535 --> 01:05:22,495
Speaker 2: if you don't have downpipes right, or let's say you've

1218
01:05:22,495 --> 01:05:25,215
Speaker 2: got downpipes but they're not connected to a stormwater system

1219
01:05:25,615 --> 01:05:28,855
Speaker 2: and that water floods onto the neighbor when the ground

1220
01:05:28,895 --> 01:05:32,255
Speaker 2: is saturated, then that's something that a neighbour can come

1221
01:05:32,255 --> 01:05:35,175
Speaker 2: to you and ask you to address, and hopefully council

1222
01:05:35,175 --> 01:05:39,815
Speaker 2: would enforce it as well. If, for example, you've done

1223
01:05:39,855 --> 01:05:43,575
Speaker 2: a driveway, and I've seen this with developments recently where

1224
01:05:43,615 --> 01:05:46,695
Speaker 2: a new driveway to access a number of units has

1225
01:05:46,735 --> 01:05:51,735
Speaker 2: been put in, but without the appropriate curbing or a

1226
01:05:51,895 --> 01:05:54,695
Speaker 2: swire not really a swale, but a channel, and then

1227
01:05:55,095 --> 01:05:58,295
Speaker 2: somewhere to collect that water, and the water the driveway

1228
01:05:58,375 --> 01:06:01,375
Speaker 2: is just tilted and pushed to the neighbor, so every

1229
01:06:01,375 --> 01:06:03,415
Speaker 2: time it rains, all of that water that's collected on

1230
01:06:03,455 --> 01:06:07,455
Speaker 2: the driveway sheets into the neighboring property. Those sorts of things.

1231
01:06:07,495 --> 01:06:10,855
Speaker 2: If that's the nature of your question, Dean, yes, you

1232
01:06:10,855 --> 01:06:13,855
Speaker 2: should be able to go back to your neighbor, and

1233
01:06:13,895 --> 01:06:18,375
Speaker 2: then if there's a reluctance from your neighbor to get involved. Certainly,

1234
01:06:18,415 --> 01:06:20,935
Speaker 2: you can go to counsel and ask them to go

1235
01:06:21,255 --> 01:06:24,895
Speaker 2: and assess the property, determine what the remediation is, and

1236
01:06:24,935 --> 01:06:26,935
Speaker 2: then get the neighbor to do exactly that.

1237
01:06:27,135 --> 01:06:29,655
Speaker 3: So good luck. It's again not.

1238
01:06:29,695 --> 01:06:33,415
Speaker 2: Easy to work through this process, but it's yeah, it's doable,

1239
01:06:33,455 --> 01:06:36,655
Speaker 2: and yes, it is quite clear in legislation that you

1240
01:06:36,735 --> 01:06:39,295
Speaker 2: have to be able to control your own discharge, your

1241
01:06:39,295 --> 01:06:43,775
Speaker 2: own stormwater discharge from your property when there's been let's say,

1242
01:06:43,775 --> 01:06:45,855
Speaker 2: an intervention iea house driveway, et.

1243
01:06:45,815 --> 01:06:46,735
Speaker 3: Cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1244
01:06:47,095 --> 01:06:48,895
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1245
01:06:48,935 --> 01:06:51,215
Speaker 2: call if you've got a question of a building nature.

1246
01:06:51,375 --> 01:06:54,975
Speaker 2: We will take your calls right now. I eight hundred

1247
01:06:55,095 --> 01:07:02,335
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. So a made of mine who's very

1248
01:07:02,415 --> 01:07:06,215
Speaker 2: experienced with retaining walls and so on, text me during

1249
01:07:06,495 --> 01:07:08,535
Speaker 2: that conversation with Ran that we just had a moment

1250
01:07:08,575 --> 01:07:10,855
Speaker 2: ago and said, look, I'm quite happy to go out

1251
01:07:10,855 --> 01:07:11,335
Speaker 2: and have a look.

1252
01:07:11,375 --> 01:07:12,815
Speaker 3: And he's got vast experience.

1253
01:07:12,895 --> 01:07:15,255
Speaker 2: It could be really interesting to see what his thoughts

1254
01:07:15,415 --> 01:07:16,855
Speaker 2: are on that particular issue.

1255
01:07:19,055 --> 01:07:19,855
Speaker 3: This is an interesting one.

1256
01:07:20,095 --> 01:07:22,655
Speaker 2: I happened there was a couple of techs come through,

1257
01:07:23,015 --> 01:07:25,375
Speaker 2: you know, because we've sort of straight off the path,

1258
01:07:25,455 --> 01:07:28,815
Speaker 2: let's say, and we're talking about building and the economy

1259
01:07:28,895 --> 01:07:31,415
Speaker 2: in general and what it's like for contractors out there,

1260
01:07:31,935 --> 01:07:33,815
Speaker 2: and to be fair, for a number of people, it's

1261
01:07:34,015 --> 01:07:39,095
Speaker 2: pretty grim. And I think for I guess, and the

1262
01:07:39,335 --> 01:07:45,255
Speaker 2: conversation we had with Steve earlier on is that for people,

1263
01:07:45,575 --> 01:07:48,295
Speaker 2: you know, younger people that have come into the construction

1264
01:07:48,455 --> 01:07:53,135
Speaker 2: sector or come into being their own business owner, this

1265
01:07:53,455 --> 01:07:56,735
Speaker 2: downturn might be the first one that they've experienced. So

1266
01:07:56,815 --> 01:07:58,735
Speaker 2: if you've got a few gray hairs like I do

1267
01:07:58,895 --> 01:08:01,455
Speaker 2: and Steve does with the graves of respect, you know,

1268
01:08:01,855 --> 01:08:03,735
Speaker 2: we've been through this and we kind of know that

1269
01:08:04,015 --> 01:08:06,655
Speaker 2: you just have to hold on if you possibly can,

1270
01:08:07,335 --> 01:08:11,095
Speaker 2: because inevitably it will get better. We have these highs

1271
01:08:11,095 --> 01:08:13,455
Speaker 2: and lows, we have these peaks and troughs in the

1272
01:08:13,655 --> 01:08:17,255
Speaker 2: cycle of the economy and within the building sector undoubtedly,

1273
01:08:17,375 --> 01:08:19,735
Speaker 2: And I mean I still remember the interview we did

1274
01:08:19,815 --> 01:08:24,695
Speaker 2: with John Tukey from the aut He's there leading guy

1275
01:08:24,735 --> 01:08:27,655
Speaker 2: in terms of construction. He's got a real interest, particularly

1276
01:08:27,735 --> 01:08:30,455
Speaker 2: in the sort of the economic side of the construction sector.

1277
01:08:31,015 --> 01:08:32,295
Speaker 2: And at the end of it, I wrapped it up

1278
01:08:32,335 --> 01:08:33,935
Speaker 2: by going, so, is there a way of getting out

1279
01:08:33,935 --> 01:08:36,775
Speaker 2: of this boom and bus cycle? And he just went, no,

1280
01:08:37,935 --> 01:08:40,455
Speaker 2: this is how the economy works. This is how in

1281
01:08:40,495 --> 01:08:43,615
Speaker 2: a sense business works. And then we got onto this

1282
01:08:43,735 --> 01:08:49,455
Speaker 2: conversation around cowboys in the industry and often people undercutting

1283
01:08:49,655 --> 01:08:53,695
Speaker 2: or offering up cheap prices and then trying to get

1284
01:08:53,735 --> 01:08:57,335
Speaker 2: the work. You know, lots of variations, lots of extras, et.

1285
01:08:57,335 --> 01:08:58,295
Speaker 3: Cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1286
01:08:58,975 --> 01:09:00,935
Speaker 2: And so I mentioned the story that I had heard

1287
01:09:01,055 --> 01:09:05,655
Speaker 2: of someone who had, I think, invited twelve different contractors,

1288
01:09:06,495 --> 01:09:09,735
Speaker 2: building contractors to price a let's say it was a

1289
01:09:09,815 --> 01:09:15,775
Speaker 2: small extension alteration job, and then took the lowest price

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Speaker 2: and the work was terrible and the whole project went

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Speaker 2: off the rails right, and you kind of go, well,

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Speaker 2: hang on, in that sense, there, it was only going

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Speaker 2: to have one outcome, wasn't it. If you get twelve people,

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Speaker 2: it might have been seven, whatever it is. But if

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Speaker 2: you get multiple quotes and you grab the lowest one

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Speaker 2: and it's considerably lower and the work is exactly the same,

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Speaker 2: you know that you're going to be for a problem.

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Speaker 2: And then someone has texed through based on your friends.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a friend, it was just someone I knew

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Speaker 2: or heard of. Actually, that's eleven builders whose time was

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Speaker 2: wasted doing quotes. They have to recoup that money somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: It just gets added to the jobs that they do get.

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01:09:56,215 --> 01:09:58,455
Speaker 2: People need to start talking with friends of and engaged

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Speaker 2: tradespeople and employ those with a good reputation for value

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Speaker 2: and quality. Get a maximum of three quotes so that

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Speaker 2: you minimize how much your tradesman's time you've wasted, and

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Speaker 2: be upfront with your expectations. If you want the cheapest builder,

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Speaker 2: tell them that, and the two thirds of trades will

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Speaker 2: outright tell you that they're not the cheapest. I say

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Speaker 2: it up front before I go to site that I'm

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Speaker 2: not the cheapest, and I actually charge to quote and

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Speaker 2: take that amount off the job price. If I get it,

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Speaker 2: I do about one quarter of the quotes that I

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Speaker 2: used to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how fascinating. See.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, I've never charged for quotes, but that's

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Speaker 2: I mean, at least you're being upfront right in terms

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Speaker 2: of saying, look, I'm going to charge for the quote

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Speaker 2: if I don't get the job. I wonder how many

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Speaker 2: people at that point go okay, Well then I'm not interested.

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Speaker 2: Take a few more texts on that.

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Speaker 3: What else was there?

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Speaker 2: I need to This is a random text as well.

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Speaker 2: I need to replace old corrugated roofing polystyrene which has

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Speaker 2: basically gone rotten. I don't think it'll be polystyringe. It

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Speaker 2: might be like the clear light roof so like a

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Speaker 2: polyethylene type of not polyethylene, yeah, the clear lighte roofing.

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Speaker 2: Can I use a skill saw to cut the new

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Speaker 2: stuff to fit it? No, don't use a skill saw.

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Speaker 2: You'll find and I did one just recently, that sort

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Speaker 2: of clear light sun tough type roofing. You just cut

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Speaker 2: it with the same roofing shears that you use to

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Speaker 2: cut regular corrugated iron by hand. I certainly wouldn't touch

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Speaker 2: it with a power tool in this instance, and I

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Speaker 2: love power tools, but no, don't. Just good old set

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Speaker 2: of nips will do it. Your news talk CP, We've

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Speaker 2: got a spear line. The number is eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Today we're talking with Daniel Davies from

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Speaker 2: Davies Homes based in tail Mutu, with a reputation for excellence.

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Speaker 2: Each home is a testament to thoughtful design and superior construction.

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Speaker 2: Incorporating some innovative materials like J and L's Jframe and Triboard,

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Speaker 2: Davies Homes create spaces that stand the test of time.

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Speaker 2: So Daniel from Davies Homes, Hey, let's start off with

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Speaker 2: the framing. Tell us about jframan, why do you choose that?

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Speaker 11: The reason why I've used jframe over the last us

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Speaker 11: see six eight years is a lot to deal with

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Speaker 11: a stability, straightness and engaging. It's down the yko here.

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Speaker 11: We're live in quite a damp environment and what happens

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Speaker 11: if the timber isn't consistent and so forth, It moves,

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Speaker 11: which causes problems with screw pops and possible cracks and

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Speaker 11: walls and so forth. So that's why I've chose to

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Speaker 11: use it.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of switching, let's say from traditional stick

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Speaker 2: framing to jframe, no issue with counsel.

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Speaker 11: Oh no, all that was easy years, that's the answer

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Speaker 11: we like.

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Speaker 2: Hey, now let's talk about triboard as well. So lots

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Speaker 2: of uses. What are you using triboard for.

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Speaker 11: We're mainly using the TG penalley, which is such a

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Speaker 11: cool product use because we do a little lot of

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Speaker 11: pole sheds with our houses when they builth people right,

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Speaker 11: so it's easy to fit, it doesn't need all the

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Speaker 11: solid timber behind it, and it gives us pretty epic

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Speaker 11: finiship end of it too, at a cost effective price.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've still got that impact resistance, say, because

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Speaker 2: we're still talking about fifteen mil of triboard.

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Speaker 3: You know it's it's pretty durable.

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Speaker 11: Year first, I used it as my own project, and

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Speaker 11: I've used it on heaps houses since in a shed

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Speaker 11: that's perfect, and.

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Speaker 3: I've used it on my projects as well. It is great.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Now, what's on the horizon for Davies Homes.

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Speaker 11: Well, we have only really mainly focused on the Greater

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Speaker 11: wipe A area and mines all areas. But later on

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Speaker 11: this year we'll be opening a show home and what

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Speaker 11: order which is more north we thought it Hilton and

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Speaker 11: then from there next year we'll be open to sha

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Speaker 11: Ho North Hamilton as well, because we've been expanding to

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Speaker 11: South of Auckland and so forth under the same brand

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Speaker 11: and Understaye company.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic Hey now and lastly too, and I know people

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Speaker 2: are often a little bit shy about taking recognition, but

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Speaker 2: congratulations on the Master Builders Waycuto Regional Awards in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Just tell us about the house that was entered there.

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Speaker 11: You entered two there, so we ended one a client's

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Speaker 11: build in Cambridge. There was a mixture of recycled brick

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Speaker 11: and vertical planting that one head try board on the

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Speaker 11: boat sheet yep. And then we entered the Shahum we

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Speaker 11: built as well, which was quite a cool shod swimming

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Speaker 11: balls and a lot of solid timbers inside the house

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Speaker 11: with an exposed American oak. So yeah, that's two really

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Speaker 11: studying homes, quite pleasant results and.

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Speaker 2: I think sounding like they're deserving of the Wakato Regional Awards,

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Speaker 2: So congratulations on that. Hey, folks, if you want to

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Speaker 2: know more about the work that Davies Homes do, check

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Speaker 2: out Davies Homes dot co dot nz. Also, Janel's Facebook

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01:14:57,615 --> 01:15:01,215
Speaker 2: page has some examples of the houses built by Daviess

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Speaker 2: Home and some of the examples of using that triboard

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Speaker 2: TGV for interior aligning. So learn more about j frame

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Speaker 2: and tryboard at JNL dot co dot enz and more

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Speaker 2: about the good people at Davies Homes at Davies Homes

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01:15:14,255 --> 01:15:17,575
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz your news talks, he'd be let's

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01:15:17,615 --> 01:15:20,695
Speaker 2: get into the calls. Actually some great texts coming through

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Speaker 2: as well, and some fantastic opinion around, you know, like this,

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Speaker 2: I suppose the state of the building sector and including

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01:15:30,215 --> 01:15:34,415
Speaker 2: a couple of fairly blunt quotes going, hey, Pete, I'm

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01:15:34,455 --> 01:15:36,975
Speaker 2: okay to hear that builders are missing out on quotes

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01:15:37,095 --> 01:15:40,975
Speaker 2: about time that prices and margins came down. You make

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Speaker 2: here to offer up an opinion, Rick A very good

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01:15:43,575 --> 01:15:43,935
Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 16: Morning, Creete. You're the man to help me.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure see how we go hand old school.

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Speaker 16: I've been trying to find a cast iron, preferably gully

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Speaker 16: trapp or great for to replace one that's missing my property,

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Speaker 16: and I hope I'll just track one down or even

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Speaker 16: like a new one. The plastic ones, I know, good

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Speaker 16: do we? Where do you get those from?

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Speaker 2: You're talking about like you can get like a pre

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Speaker 2: cast horseshoe almost and concrete that's about one hundred miles high,

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Speaker 2: it's about three hundred mill across, and then there's a

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Speaker 2: cast iron just the girl that goes, and then there's

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Speaker 2: the girl that goes on top of those. I would

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Speaker 2: head to somewhere like Humes m go to the go

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Speaker 2: to the commercial ones. So go to Humes, go to

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Speaker 2: Mico Plumbing might have them. I probably go to Humors actually.

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Speaker 7: Been there, done that.

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Speaker 16: They didn't they didn't have the one.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm sure they maybe they don't do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a good point, to be fair.

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Speaker 16: Mm hmm. Yeah, I've had to get some paid cast

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Speaker 16: ironans have been able to get them. Yeah, we we

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Speaker 16: we uh, well they don't.

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Speaker 3: Luckily, stay listening.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure someone will text a drain or the civil

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Speaker 2: works guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought if you go to Humes or

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01:17:14,655 --> 01:17:18,935
Speaker 2: to you know, the larger Mico's, or to the houses.

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Speaker 14: The next game.

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Speaker 16: That means used to have them sort of and plays

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Speaker 16: megas used to his. But some of the ones they make,

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01:17:28,655 --> 01:17:33,295
Speaker 16: of course, are uselessly early, many more plastic. Yeah, but

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Speaker 16: that's all right, Okay, I'll I'll keep looking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have thought Humes, but or any of

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Speaker 2: the large commercial places.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good luck with it.

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01:17:41,655 --> 01:17:43,535
Speaker 2: And to be fair, I'm going to do a little

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Speaker 2: Google search while we're chatting away to people as well.

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Speaker 4: Hillary, Hello there, Hello, Hello, I wonder if you can

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Speaker 4: help me.

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Speaker 10: I have just completed, or my builder has just completed

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01:17:55,735 --> 01:17:59,655
Speaker 10: a build for me, a small build and we've had

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Speaker 10: the final inspection, and I am going in now to

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Speaker 10: the council website to try and obtain CCC.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So when I go in through.

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Speaker 10: My IR and I get in there and I've got

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Speaker 10: my file in, when I put in my consent number,

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Speaker 10: I cannot get all the information that the builder has

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Speaker 10: on his my IR about all the inspections and everything

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Speaker 10: that have been done. Right that normal? I mean, I

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Speaker 10: can probably ring up the council and find out if

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Speaker 10: I'm actually doing this correctly. But I would have thought

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Speaker 10: once I put in the consent number that everything relating

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01:18:42,455 --> 01:18:44,775
Speaker 10: to that consent number would be able to drop in

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Speaker 10: as you go through the website, which it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, but to be fear, you

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01:18:53,895 --> 01:18:58,655
Speaker 2: don't need that information, and that information that's already on

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01:18:59,415 --> 01:19:02,415
Speaker 2: the council records with regard to the inspections that have

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01:19:02,535 --> 01:19:06,135
Speaker 2: been undertaken is not the information that you need to

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Speaker 2: provide for your CCC application.

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Speaker 10: So I've got all the I've got all the certificates

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Speaker 10: and all the things like that, and they're all.

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01:19:17,695 --> 01:19:21,375
Speaker 2: In PDF form, so they're all you can upload everything. Okay,

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01:19:21,495 --> 01:19:24,775
Speaker 2: if do you have the booklet that the building consent

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01:19:25,095 --> 01:19:27,455
Speaker 2: came with, so there's the plans and then there's the

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Speaker 2: council and then.

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Speaker 3: Everything at the back of that will have what's.

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Speaker 2: Required for your CCC, so record of works from the builder,

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Speaker 2: a COC from the electrician, a PS three from the plumber,

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Speaker 2: potentially as built plans, warranty statements for systems, and all

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Speaker 2: the rest of it. So if you read through the

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01:19:49,015 --> 01:19:52,535
Speaker 2: back of the booklet, that will give you a guideline.

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Speaker 3: As to what you need.

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Speaker 10: That's very helpful.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, My approach is because back in the day,

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Speaker 2: when you used to have a paper application, it gave

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Speaker 2: you a checklist, right. The online application doesn't. And I

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Speaker 2: have to say I've found that frustrating, right, And I

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Speaker 2: would have thought it was much more helpful of counsel

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Speaker 2: when you went to apply online, which is the only

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Speaker 2: way to apply now, had like a checklist, but they don't,

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01:20:21,575 --> 01:20:24,415
Speaker 2: so they just what it says typically is provide all

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01:20:24,535 --> 01:20:27,055
Speaker 2: relevant information for the CCC application.

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01:20:27,215 --> 01:20:28,455
Speaker 3: Then you go, well, what is that?

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01:20:28,655 --> 01:20:31,535
Speaker 2: What's the relevant information? That's why you go back to

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Speaker 2: the inspection booklet and you have a look in the

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01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:35,535
Speaker 2: last couple of pages of that. That's where all the

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Speaker 2: information is. I also typically tend to give them stuff

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Speaker 2: that they might not have asked for, So any record

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01:20:43,415 --> 01:20:49,935
Speaker 2: of works, any producer statement, any site inspection notes from engineer, geotech, etc.

1502
01:20:50,335 --> 01:20:51,335
Speaker 3: I'd add that to it.

1503
01:20:52,215 --> 01:20:55,655
Speaker 2: PS Four from the engineer, if there's specific design, all

1504
01:20:55,735 --> 01:20:59,735
Speaker 2: of the records of works, all of the coa's COCs, everything.

1505
01:21:00,175 --> 01:21:02,175
Speaker 2: Put it all in there, and then what will happen

1506
01:21:02,295 --> 01:21:05,495
Speaker 2: is they'll come back to you with more information.

1507
01:21:07,175 --> 01:21:08,255
Speaker 3: Well done, good luck.

1508
01:21:08,375 --> 01:21:10,815
Speaker 2: We've got to go for the news, but feel free

1509
01:21:10,855 --> 01:21:11,575
Speaker 2: to call again if.

1510
01:21:11,495 --> 01:21:12,655
Speaker 3: You need more fashion.

1511
01:21:52,935 --> 01:21:54,855
Speaker 12: In the home stretch.

1512
01:21:56,055 --> 01:21:57,455
Speaker 6: Of the hard time.

1513
01:21:58,895 --> 01:22:05,655
Speaker 13: It took a heart left, but we're all right, yeah,

1514
01:22:06,895 --> 01:22:09,335
Speaker 13: sure canra so.

1515
01:22:10,815 --> 01:22:16,575
Speaker 12: Love Loie b. We do this right his soul than

1516
01:22:16,775 --> 01:22:17,335
Speaker 12: ever gone.

1517
01:22:17,455 --> 01:22:17,735
Speaker 8: All that.

1518
01:22:17,855 --> 01:22:22,455
Speaker 15: When the bars are good, reston you're the pain a field.

1519
01:22:22,935 --> 01:22:27,135
Speaker 13: That's good, Shadow that boy, because you will have a.

1520
01:22:27,215 --> 01:22:33,215
Speaker 12: Man's a crack in the foundation.

1521
01:22:34,175 --> 01:22:38,575
Speaker 15: Debiano Mani Stone well present the Oh the wound we

1522
01:22:38,775 --> 01:22:41,295
Speaker 15: stayed the hastone.

1523
01:22:40,855 --> 01:22:42,695
Speaker 12: Fall in the bars are good.

1524
01:22:44,455 --> 01:22:46,775
Speaker 2: Alrighty, oh, welcome back to the program. It's going to

1525
01:22:46,815 --> 01:22:48,975
Speaker 2: be busy in the next half hour. Before we jumped

1526
01:22:48,975 --> 01:22:51,015
Speaker 2: into the garden with it to climb past. Thank you

1527
01:22:51,135 --> 01:22:54,615
Speaker 2: to all of the Texters that have replied to Rex

1528
01:22:54,775 --> 01:22:57,975
Speaker 2: question about trying to find he was looking for a

1529
01:22:58,095 --> 01:23:04,375
Speaker 2: cast iron grate for a concrete gully dish. In cast

1530
01:23:04,415 --> 01:23:09,695
Speaker 2: iron probably not available anymore. There are aluminium ones out there, Hines.

1531
01:23:09,935 --> 01:23:16,015
Speaker 2: Someone suggested that someone has suggested going taking a drawing

1532
01:23:16,055 --> 01:23:17,855
Speaker 2: and getting it cast for you. That's going to be

1533
01:23:17,935 --> 01:23:21,335
Speaker 2: rather expensive. Austin's Foundry and Timaru is now closed down,

1534
01:23:21,455 --> 01:23:23,335
Speaker 2: but they were one of the largest makers of the

1535
01:23:23,375 --> 01:23:26,455
Speaker 2: old cast iron lids. Did have some stock for sale.

1536
01:23:27,175 --> 01:23:31,455
Speaker 2: Chairs Google Austin's Foundry and Timaru. I'm going through timorrow

1537
01:23:31,455 --> 01:23:33,135
Speaker 2: in a couple of months time. I could pick one

1538
01:23:33,215 --> 01:23:36,535
Speaker 2: up on the way and Hines and someone else where

1539
01:23:36,655 --> 01:23:36,815
Speaker 2: was it?

1540
01:23:38,135 --> 01:23:38,295
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1541
01:23:38,335 --> 01:23:42,055
Speaker 2: I think it's Hines on Nielson Street. No one hunger

1542
01:23:42,935 --> 01:23:44,375
Speaker 2: if you want to find one. I thought that'd be

1543
01:23:44,415 --> 01:23:47,135
Speaker 2: out there, and then someone goes, hey, will Davies Homes.

1544
01:23:47,175 --> 01:23:49,255
Speaker 2: We had a chat with the team from Davy's Homes

1545
01:23:49,335 --> 01:23:52,215
Speaker 2: just before the break. Will they be at field Days?

1546
01:23:52,295 --> 01:23:54,375
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they will be. Second part of

1547
01:23:54,415 --> 01:23:56,135
Speaker 2: the quick text was will you be there?

1548
01:23:56,215 --> 01:23:56,375
Speaker 8: Yes?

1549
01:23:56,415 --> 01:23:56,695
Speaker 4: I will.

1550
01:23:56,735 --> 01:24:00,335
Speaker 2: Actually I'm going to be at field Days on Thursday

1551
01:24:00,535 --> 01:24:03,455
Speaker 2: and Friday of this coming week. Really looking forward to

1552
01:24:03,495 --> 01:24:08,975
Speaker 2: it actually, so you'll find me hanging around with Bailey

1553
01:24:09,175 --> 01:24:12,335
Speaker 2: Water Tanks. They've got a big stand down there, my

1554
01:24:12,455 --> 01:24:17,615
Speaker 2: mates at Apex Boots, and also with the team at Royobi,

1555
01:24:17,935 --> 01:24:22,375
Speaker 2: So I will be drifting around certainly. So send me

1556
01:24:22,375 --> 01:24:24,815
Speaker 2: a message maybe through social media or something, or post

1557
01:24:24,895 --> 01:24:29,055
Speaker 2: where I am on my Facebook page, so resident builder

1558
01:24:29,215 --> 01:24:31,495
Speaker 2: on Facebook, you'll find it there. I'll put up a

1559
01:24:31,575 --> 01:24:33,575
Speaker 2: list of where I am at which time, and I

1560
01:24:33,655 --> 01:24:36,135
Speaker 2: always really enjoy the chats that I have while i'm

1561
01:24:36,175 --> 01:24:38,575
Speaker 2: down there. So down there with Bailey's, with Apex Boots

1562
01:24:38,655 --> 01:24:42,135
Speaker 2: and with Ryobi, really really looking forward to it. And

1563
01:24:42,215 --> 01:24:44,775
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I might be able to swing by Saveboard

1564
01:24:44,935 --> 01:24:49,375
Speaker 2: as well. These are the people that use like TetraPak

1565
01:24:49,415 --> 01:24:53,255
Speaker 2: the liquid paper and recycle it into boards. Because I

1566
01:24:53,335 --> 01:24:55,495
Speaker 2: want to bring some sheets up to put at the

1567
01:24:55,935 --> 01:24:59,175
Speaker 2: Resource Recovery Center in Devenport, just to show people what

1568
01:24:59,335 --> 01:25:02,535
Speaker 2: happens with recycling, because if you can't put that pack

1569
01:25:03,015 --> 01:25:06,055
Speaker 2: that packaging into your curb side recycling, but it is

1570
01:25:06,495 --> 01:25:10,175
Speaker 2: cyclable and Saveboard ended up making it into wall lining

1571
01:25:10,975 --> 01:25:13,815
Speaker 2: which you can use, so be quite good to show

1572
01:25:13,855 --> 01:25:15,935
Speaker 2: people what you can do with recycled material, so I

1573
01:25:16,055 --> 01:25:18,495
Speaker 2: might have to swing by the factory and strap a

1574
01:25:18,575 --> 01:25:21,495
Speaker 2: couple of sheets of safeboard onto the roof of the

1575
01:25:21,575 --> 01:25:23,695
Speaker 2: BT fifty and then head back to Auckland after that.

1576
01:25:23,855 --> 01:25:27,135
Speaker 2: So yep, Thursday, Friday field days, it'll be awesome.

1577
01:25:27,255 --> 01:25:28,415
Speaker 3: Bill, greetings you sir.

1578
01:25:29,775 --> 01:25:36,495
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, hello Pete. Yeah, no little problem. We had

1579
01:25:36,535 --> 01:25:40,335
Speaker 6: a water pipe burst under the house, yes, and that

1580
01:25:41,615 --> 01:25:47,095
Speaker 6: Actually it's not a double story house, but there's split

1581
01:25:47,295 --> 01:25:52,975
Speaker 6: level and the water left the chip board alone, which

1582
01:25:53,095 --> 01:25:55,575
Speaker 6: was the top half, and they seeped into the lounge,

1583
01:25:56,215 --> 01:26:00,455
Speaker 6: which was all carpeted, and I had to rip the

1584
01:26:00,575 --> 01:26:04,495
Speaker 6: carpet because it's stunk, you know. I had to ditch

1585
01:26:04,615 --> 01:26:09,215
Speaker 6: the carpet and I'm just wondering what to do with

1586
01:26:09,335 --> 01:26:13,615
Speaker 6: it now because there's a bare concrete floor on the

1587
01:26:13,655 --> 01:26:18,375
Speaker 6: bottom half and I didn't know what I'm going to

1588
01:26:18,455 --> 01:26:18,815
Speaker 6: do with it.

1589
01:26:19,855 --> 01:26:22,255
Speaker 2: The concrete will be fine, you know, water and concrete.

1590
01:26:22,335 --> 01:26:24,775
Speaker 2: Once the concrete's gone off, that won't have an impact.

1591
01:26:25,175 --> 01:26:28,375
Speaker 2: There'll be a certain amount of moisture still in the building,

1592
01:26:28,615 --> 01:26:31,535
Speaker 2: and before you do any repairs, i'd make sure you

1593
01:26:31,655 --> 01:26:32,215
Speaker 2: dry that out.

1594
01:26:32,735 --> 01:26:36,175
Speaker 6: So for carpets, a log fire in there yeah, i'd.

1595
01:26:36,015 --> 01:26:36,815
Speaker 3: Probably go down.

1596
01:26:37,215 --> 01:26:38,815
Speaker 2: And I mean some of this should be covered by

1597
01:26:38,855 --> 01:26:41,695
Speaker 2: your insurance, right, so you're insurance.

1598
01:26:41,415 --> 01:26:43,255
Speaker 6: I think, so our money ranking.

1599
01:26:43,455 --> 01:26:45,415
Speaker 3: But the land okay, well.

1600
01:26:45,335 --> 01:26:48,575
Speaker 2: The landlords, it would be in the landlord's interest to

1601
01:26:48,695 --> 01:26:52,775
Speaker 2: get like a commercial sized dehumidifier and put that in there.

1602
01:26:52,815 --> 01:26:56,095
Speaker 2: So if you've already pulled the carpet up, get in

1603
01:26:56,175 --> 01:26:58,575
Speaker 2: there with a dehumidifier, run that for a week or

1604
01:26:58,655 --> 01:27:02,055
Speaker 2: so before you do any more remedial work, and that'll

1605
01:27:02,095 --> 01:27:03,975
Speaker 2: just help dry the place out and get that moisture

1606
01:27:04,055 --> 01:27:04,455
Speaker 2: level down.

1607
01:27:04,655 --> 01:27:07,575
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think that half I'd been done quite

1608
01:27:07,575 --> 01:27:12,375
Speaker 6: a while, and my ex wife she had dogs and

1609
01:27:13,015 --> 01:27:16,815
Speaker 6: they're probably pedal on the carpet, which really stunk the

1610
01:27:16,895 --> 01:27:18,455
Speaker 6: thing out, so we had to get rid of it.

1611
01:27:18,655 --> 01:27:22,455
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, m hm.

1612
01:27:23,255 --> 01:27:26,335
Speaker 6: So I've got left and now as a concrete floor

1613
01:27:26,775 --> 01:27:27,735
Speaker 6: in a couple of mates.

1614
01:27:28,375 --> 01:27:33,295
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, no, no, look, look, I'll I would

1615
01:27:33,335 --> 01:27:35,295
Speaker 2: do that. Make sure you get the dehumidifier in there.

1616
01:27:35,295 --> 01:27:37,095
Speaker 2: Because the carpet dryers, you know the ones that you

1617
01:27:37,135 --> 01:27:40,335
Speaker 2: can buy, they look like a snail. Yeah, they'll blast

1618
01:27:40,495 --> 01:27:42,175
Speaker 2: through and get rid of the moisture out of the carpet.

1619
01:27:42,215 --> 01:27:43,935
Speaker 2: But you've already removed that, but I think it's really

1620
01:27:43,935 --> 01:27:46,695
Speaker 2: important before you get onto remedial work to make sure

1621
01:27:46,695 --> 01:27:50,095
Speaker 2: that the moisture content is down again. Awful thing to happen.

1622
01:27:50,175 --> 01:27:52,775
Speaker 3: Good luck with all of that. Rory greetings to you.

1623
01:27:54,255 --> 01:28:00,575
Speaker 9: Hello, Oh yeah, I just this time last week you're

1624
01:28:00,575 --> 01:28:02,175
Speaker 9: talking about the commistic groups.

1625
01:28:02,455 --> 01:28:03,935
Speaker 16: Yes, excuse me a bit of morse.

1626
01:28:05,935 --> 01:28:09,575
Speaker 9: In any way, you said something about a membrane over

1627
01:28:09,655 --> 01:28:12,815
Speaker 9: the whole deachomestic grief. And I'll tell you now and then,

1628
01:28:13,415 --> 01:28:17,255
Speaker 9: there's no better membrane than good paint and plenty of

1629
01:28:17,375 --> 01:28:21,175
Speaker 9: it on it. And i'll tell you what. You don't

1630
01:28:21,215 --> 01:28:23,295
Speaker 9: put it on neat. You put it on water down

1631
01:28:23,375 --> 01:28:24,335
Speaker 9: twenty percent.

1632
01:28:24,855 --> 01:28:25,655
Speaker 7: With a room.

1633
01:28:27,055 --> 01:28:29,695
Speaker 3: Whoa, okay, yeah right.

1634
01:28:30,615 --> 01:28:32,655
Speaker 9: And it's the only read you want to do it on.

1635
01:28:32,775 --> 01:28:39,775
Speaker 9: Low picture is not billas like yours. But it's better

1636
01:28:39,815 --> 01:28:44,815
Speaker 9: than spraying it because when you saturate the chips and everything,

1637
01:28:44,895 --> 01:28:48,815
Speaker 9: they never come off again, and the bird two foes off.

1638
01:28:49,215 --> 01:28:53,295
Speaker 9: There's no bird degree or moss around it. And my

1639
01:28:53,495 --> 01:28:56,695
Speaker 9: roofs fifty years old now, and I had to do

1640
01:28:56,775 --> 01:29:01,975
Speaker 9: it after about twenty years because the grief was put

1641
01:29:02,055 --> 01:29:04,535
Speaker 9: on by amateurs. And I think there were second hand

1642
01:29:04,655 --> 01:29:06,535
Speaker 9: tires that looked yeah.

1643
01:29:08,775 --> 01:29:09,895
Speaker 3: No, look, I agree.

1644
01:29:09,935 --> 01:29:12,095
Speaker 2: I think having a you know, an extra layer of

1645
01:29:12,335 --> 01:29:14,975
Speaker 2: anything that protects our roofs is probably not a bad thing.

1646
01:29:15,935 --> 01:29:17,655
Speaker 2: And I've had texts from people are going, no, you

1647
01:29:17,695 --> 01:29:19,015
Speaker 2: can't just repaint them.

1648
01:29:18,895 --> 01:29:19,455
Speaker 3: And all the rest of it.

1649
01:29:19,815 --> 01:29:21,815
Speaker 2: The membrane that I'm talking about, I haven't had any

1650
01:29:21,855 --> 01:29:24,175
Speaker 2: personal experience, but I've just noticed a number of sort

1651
01:29:24,215 --> 01:29:29,535
Speaker 2: of ads and comments around applying like a thick, viscous

1652
01:29:29,735 --> 01:29:32,855
Speaker 2: type coating over your existing roof as a as a

1653
01:29:32,975 --> 01:29:35,855
Speaker 2: flexible membrane. So we might be talking you know, half

1654
01:29:35,895 --> 01:29:38,575
Speaker 2: a millimeter or so of product that's applied, or possibly

1655
01:29:38,615 --> 01:29:40,375
Speaker 2: even a bit thicker than that, which is more than

1656
01:29:40,415 --> 01:29:42,175
Speaker 2: what you would get out of a layer of paint.

1657
01:29:43,135 --> 01:29:45,455
Speaker 2: No matter how thick you apply it, you won't get

1658
01:29:45,535 --> 01:29:48,135
Speaker 2: that sort of build up on it. But look, there's

1659
01:29:48,215 --> 01:29:50,335
Speaker 2: there's some alternatives out there. I'm interested to hear from

1660
01:29:50,375 --> 01:29:53,255
Speaker 2: anyone who's had one of these membranes applied over the

1661
01:29:53,335 --> 01:29:56,415
Speaker 2: top of an existing roof to prolong its life. Oh

1662
01:29:56,495 --> 01:29:58,695
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1663
01:29:58,855 --> 01:30:01,295
Speaker 2: call and Mike, good morning to you.

1664
01:30:02,735 --> 01:30:06,815
Speaker 8: Oh Hof, you can help me or come it with ideas.

1665
01:30:08,455 --> 01:30:13,175
Speaker 8: So we've just had a small renovation done, basically putting

1666
01:30:13,215 --> 01:30:18,455
Speaker 8: in two new bedrooms, and there's a very very strong

1667
01:30:18,735 --> 01:30:23,655
Speaker 8: chemical smell or odor that's there. So the floors a

1668
01:30:24,535 --> 01:30:29,895
Speaker 8: concret slab bra design, the walls are all jibs, the

1669
01:30:30,135 --> 01:30:36,175
Speaker 8: ceiling is in a tongue and groove plywood look to it, yep.

1670
01:30:36,775 --> 01:30:41,735
Speaker 8: And then in one bedroom we've also got that sort

1671
01:30:41,775 --> 01:30:46,375
Speaker 8: of bed behind the bed, you know, down not half

1672
01:30:46,455 --> 01:30:49,095
Speaker 8: the wall, but running horizontally like.

1673
01:30:49,135 --> 01:30:49,895
Speaker 3: A lining for a.

1674
01:30:51,415 --> 01:30:53,775
Speaker 8: Nice So when I when I was painting it, I thought,

1675
01:30:54,615 --> 01:30:57,935
Speaker 8: you know, things aren't sealed, et cetera. But now we've

1676
01:30:57,975 --> 01:31:00,935
Speaker 8: got to carpet down, a bit of lino down, you know,

1677
01:31:01,415 --> 01:31:03,975
Speaker 8: everything's all painted and to sure at the moment it

1678
01:31:04,135 --> 01:31:06,815
Speaker 8: kind of there's a fifty thirsty mixture of brand new

1679
01:31:06,895 --> 01:31:12,735
Speaker 8: carpet smell and this really strong chemical yeah odor that's there.

1680
01:31:13,415 --> 01:31:17,535
Speaker 2: Any ideas, I know that there's a lot of discussion,

1681
01:31:17,895 --> 01:31:20,295
Speaker 2: you know, when we're talking about healthy homes and so on,

1682
01:31:20,615 --> 01:31:24,495
Speaker 2: around the materials that we use in the construction of

1683
01:31:24,575 --> 01:31:29,775
Speaker 2: our houses. And for example, if you look on a

1684
01:31:29,815 --> 01:31:32,375
Speaker 2: bucket of raisine paint right, it will say it's a

1685
01:31:32,495 --> 01:31:38,855
Speaker 2: low voc paint, so volatile organic compounds. And if you

1686
01:31:38,935 --> 01:31:41,415
Speaker 2: think back to paints and products that we used to

1687
01:31:41,535 --> 01:31:44,455
Speaker 2: use years ago, you know, they smell like you just

1688
01:31:44,535 --> 01:31:45,495
Speaker 2: open a bottle of whiskey.

1689
01:31:45,655 --> 01:31:47,815
Speaker 3: Right, There was so much, so many.

1690
01:31:48,335 --> 01:31:52,095
Speaker 2: So we're typically we're using a lot less chemicals and

1691
01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:56,335
Speaker 2: a lot less harmful chemicals in either the manufacture of

1692
01:31:56,335 --> 01:31:58,695
Speaker 2: the products that we use into a house or actually

1693
01:31:58,815 --> 01:32:02,415
Speaker 2: on site when we're applying them. So even things like

1694
01:32:02,495 --> 01:32:06,175
Speaker 2: tubes of silicon or adhesive right tend to have less

1695
01:32:06,375 --> 01:32:08,975
Speaker 2: of these VOCs in them than they had in the past.

1696
01:32:09,575 --> 01:32:11,975
Speaker 2: So in that sense, I'm a little surprised, and I'm

1697
01:32:12,015 --> 01:32:14,815
Speaker 2: thinking back to, you know, all of the building work

1698
01:32:14,855 --> 01:32:16,415
Speaker 2: that I've done, let's say in the last ten years,

1699
01:32:16,935 --> 01:32:18,895
Speaker 2: that at the end of it, as a new build,

1700
01:32:19,255 --> 01:32:24,175
Speaker 2: it hasn't been that noticeable. Right now, there is evidence

1701
01:32:24,255 --> 01:32:26,335
Speaker 2: that says that, you know, there's a lot of moisture

1702
01:32:26,655 --> 01:32:29,055
Speaker 2: in how we build, and so that takes a period

1703
01:32:29,095 --> 01:32:31,895
Speaker 2: of time to evaporate. And undoubtedly there are chemicals in

1704
01:32:32,015 --> 01:32:34,415
Speaker 2: the products that we use and there will be a

1705
01:32:34,575 --> 01:32:39,655
Speaker 2: residue which will diminish over time. So with yours, do

1706
01:32:39,735 --> 01:32:42,575
Speaker 2: you think that the smell or the odor is as

1707
01:32:42,775 --> 01:32:45,015
Speaker 2: obvious today as when the work finished.

1708
01:32:46,935 --> 01:32:49,575
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, it's kind of interesting that one. So it

1709
01:32:49,735 --> 01:32:53,775
Speaker 8: was fully started nearly well that was time ago, about

1710
01:32:53,815 --> 01:32:57,575
Speaker 8: a year ago, right, oh wow? And yeah, I know,

1711
01:32:57,855 --> 01:33:02,255
Speaker 8: And fortunately I needed to have a hip operation last year,

1712
01:33:02,335 --> 01:33:05,255
Speaker 8: so I had the big push to sort of get

1713
01:33:05,415 --> 01:33:08,975
Speaker 8: most of the painting done by August last year, and

1714
01:33:09,135 --> 01:33:12,415
Speaker 8: I've finished it off now. So and it's one of

1715
01:33:12,455 --> 01:33:17,255
Speaker 8: those things that once you've had the area open, it's

1716
01:33:17,415 --> 01:33:21,095
Speaker 8: the small batch, so it's quite often locked up right

1717
01:33:21,415 --> 01:33:23,895
Speaker 8: when you first go and you go, wow, what's that smell?

1718
01:33:24,215 --> 01:33:26,455
Speaker 8: And then you know, leave all the doors and windows

1719
01:33:26,495 --> 01:33:28,775
Speaker 8: open for a quarter of an hour, either you stop

1720
01:33:28,855 --> 01:33:31,495
Speaker 8: smelling it or it basically years out. But every time

1721
01:33:31,575 --> 01:33:33,535
Speaker 8: we go back in, it's there, locked up for a

1722
01:33:33,575 --> 01:33:35,295
Speaker 8: few days, it's there year.

1723
01:33:35,775 --> 01:33:41,175
Speaker 2: I guess that might be the the one factor that changes,

1724
01:33:41,375 --> 01:33:43,655
Speaker 2: you know, what we're talking about, in the sense that like,

1725
01:33:43,775 --> 01:33:46,295
Speaker 2: typically if it's a house and it's occupied every day,

1726
01:33:46,335 --> 01:33:48,735
Speaker 2: the windows get opened every day, so it's not surprising

1727
01:33:48,815 --> 01:33:51,375
Speaker 2: that the smell has lasted for a lot longer. The

1728
01:33:51,495 --> 01:33:53,855
Speaker 2: other thing would be is to actually get it tested.

1729
01:33:55,175 --> 01:33:58,015
Speaker 2: So I know that there's some people involved in building

1730
01:33:58,135 --> 01:34:03,535
Speaker 2: science who will do testing of interior environments, right, So

1731
01:34:03,855 --> 01:34:07,095
Speaker 2: you can measure for carbon monoxide, you can measure for

1732
01:34:07,975 --> 01:34:13,055
Speaker 2: humidity and moisture content, and potentially you can measure for

1733
01:34:13,215 --> 01:34:16,215
Speaker 2: VOCs inside the building as well, and if it had

1734
01:34:16,255 --> 01:34:19,735
Speaker 2: a particularly elevated reading, it would give you an indication

1735
01:34:19,855 --> 01:34:22,295
Speaker 2: of what types of chemicals they might be, and then

1736
01:34:22,335 --> 01:34:24,615
Speaker 2: you could sort of think back through the building process

1737
01:34:25,015 --> 01:34:27,655
Speaker 2: to go, Okay, well, it might be that we used

1738
01:34:27,655 --> 01:34:30,335
Speaker 2: I don't know a particular type of flooring material, or

1739
01:34:31,855 --> 01:34:34,215
Speaker 2: I mean I presume that with all of your paint

1740
01:34:34,735 --> 01:34:37,295
Speaker 2: that you did, it mostly would have been acrylics or

1741
01:34:37,335 --> 01:34:38,215
Speaker 2: water borne paints.

1742
01:34:38,295 --> 01:34:41,695
Speaker 8: Even for the clear fear, it was always in paint,

1743
01:34:43,495 --> 01:34:46,935
Speaker 8: wondering about the the the ply, the tingu and grew

1744
01:34:47,055 --> 01:34:49,295
Speaker 8: plight because I thought, you know jibs, well, you know

1745
01:34:50,495 --> 01:34:53,775
Speaker 8: got jibyware. You know, if they'd have been smelling, other

1746
01:34:53,815 --> 01:35:01,095
Speaker 8: people have noticed it. I've done undercoats, under top coats.

1747
01:35:01,455 --> 01:35:04,095
Speaker 2: How many thousands of sheets of plasterboard I've seen put

1748
01:35:04,175 --> 01:35:06,495
Speaker 2: up in the last ten years, you know, And I look,

1749
01:35:06,975 --> 01:35:09,735
Speaker 2: you just don't get it right. Someone sticks through. Have

1750
01:35:09,935 --> 01:35:15,335
Speaker 2: you glued down carpet? No, what's your flooring.

1751
01:35:15,495 --> 01:35:20,775
Speaker 8: The the flooring is a concrete slat okay, and.

1752
01:35:20,815 --> 01:35:25,775
Speaker 2: Then left exposed. Sorry, And and the concrete is left exposed.

1753
01:35:27,415 --> 01:35:29,375
Speaker 3: No, no, it's got a cabin on top of it, okay.

1754
01:35:29,695 --> 01:35:31,815
Speaker 2: And then the carpet is just it's not glued down,

1755
01:35:31,855 --> 01:35:33,415
Speaker 2: it's with an underlay.

1756
01:35:33,055 --> 01:35:33,375
Speaker 14: And so on.

1757
01:35:34,375 --> 01:35:34,615
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1758
01:35:34,815 --> 01:35:41,655
Speaker 8: Yeah, they've got the standard you know that mailgemooth.

1759
01:35:39,975 --> 01:35:40,815
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

1760
01:35:42,215 --> 01:35:46,415
Speaker 2: Interesting and I would I would have a search around

1761
01:35:46,495 --> 01:35:48,895
Speaker 2: and see if you can get And they're out there right.

1762
01:35:48,975 --> 01:35:51,375
Speaker 2: They're they're sort of building scientists who are involved in,

1763
01:35:53,695 --> 01:35:59,335
Speaker 2: you know, investigating chemical compounds and indoor environment and you're

1764
01:35:59,335 --> 01:36:02,175
Speaker 2: talking about indoor air quality and actually have it tested.

1765
01:36:02,255 --> 01:36:04,695
Speaker 2: Someone else has suggested if you might have used a

1766
01:36:04,775 --> 01:36:07,415
Speaker 2: nylon carpet. Sometimes it has a very strong smell when

1767
01:36:07,415 --> 01:36:07,815
Speaker 2: it's new.

1768
01:36:09,455 --> 01:36:12,535
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, you can definitely tell the carpet smell.

1769
01:36:12,655 --> 01:36:14,615
Speaker 8: So yeah, they're worried about that. They'll go, await, it's

1770
01:36:14,695 --> 01:36:19,215
Speaker 8: the that other chemical and it's hard to describe. Yes,

1771
01:36:19,575 --> 01:36:21,415
Speaker 8: you know, when we first started going into the Tracy,

1772
01:36:21,575 --> 01:36:24,575
Speaker 8: my wife said, the paint. No, no, it's not the paint.

1773
01:36:24,855 --> 01:36:27,615
Speaker 8: I've been breathing that in all day. It's definitely not

1774
01:36:27,735 --> 01:36:33,615
Speaker 8: the paint smell. It's very strong chemical odor. Yeah, and

1775
01:36:33,775 --> 01:36:37,855
Speaker 8: it's Yeah, we were thinking that maybe it was coming

1776
01:36:37,895 --> 01:36:39,655
Speaker 8: from the concrete land. You know, once we had the

1777
01:36:39,695 --> 01:36:41,975
Speaker 8: carpet down and there was a small bit of lino,

1778
01:36:42,215 --> 01:36:44,095
Speaker 8: it'd all be gone. But now you can you know,

1779
01:36:44,215 --> 01:36:46,935
Speaker 8: it's minimized it just because of the new smell of

1780
01:36:46,975 --> 01:36:49,895
Speaker 8: the carpet. But you can still smell the other you know.

1781
01:36:50,575 --> 01:36:53,575
Speaker 2: It's not an odor coming from your drainage.

1782
01:36:56,375 --> 01:36:59,255
Speaker 8: Ask the plumber about that, but he said that would

1783
01:36:59,295 --> 01:37:00,855
Speaker 8: smell more organic.

1784
01:37:01,735 --> 01:37:03,175
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that.

1785
01:37:04,415 --> 01:37:04,615
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1786
01:37:06,415 --> 01:37:08,175
Speaker 8: Is the only new bit of plumbing in that area

1787
01:37:08,455 --> 01:37:10,975
Speaker 8: is Yeah, there's a like a washing machine in a

1788
01:37:11,095 --> 01:37:14,255
Speaker 8: small cupboard. Yeah, and that so it does have them,

1789
01:37:14,455 --> 01:37:16,735
Speaker 8: you know, the gully trap whatever for.

1790
01:37:16,775 --> 01:37:19,055
Speaker 2: That, and it should have a terminal vent and those

1791
01:37:19,095 --> 01:37:22,415
Speaker 2: sorts of things. Look, I think I would go and

1792
01:37:22,815 --> 01:37:25,975
Speaker 2: find someone to come in and do testing of indoor

1793
01:37:26,015 --> 01:37:36,255
Speaker 2: air quality, take a scientific even if you want to

1794
01:37:36,455 --> 01:37:39,135
Speaker 2: contact brands, give brands a call and say, look, I'm

1795
01:37:39,135 --> 01:37:41,295
Speaker 2: looking for someone who does this type of work, and

1796
01:37:41,375 --> 01:37:43,695
Speaker 2: they'll they'll know researchers who do this all the time.

1797
01:37:45,255 --> 01:37:47,375
Speaker 8: You wouldn't think it'd be coming from the plywood at all.

1798
01:37:47,495 --> 01:37:52,095
Speaker 2: I mean we did to imagine about ply Yeah, I mean, look,

1799
01:37:52,135 --> 01:37:55,255
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of glue in plywood obviously, right

1800
01:37:56,375 --> 01:37:58,975
Speaker 2: and depending on which type of plywood, some of them

1801
01:37:59,175 --> 01:38:02,495
Speaker 2: use more eco friendly glues than others do.

1802
01:38:03,175 --> 01:38:03,935
Speaker 3: But again.

1803
01:38:06,135 --> 01:38:09,535
Speaker 2: I see, like I know, for example, treated play because

1804
01:38:09,535 --> 01:38:12,895
Speaker 2: we use it sometimes as sefite linings. Right now, that

1805
01:38:13,055 --> 01:38:16,575
Speaker 2: has a very very strong chemical smell for quite a

1806
01:38:16,695 --> 01:38:22,055
Speaker 2: long time. So potentially if the plywood, is it like

1807
01:38:22,135 --> 01:38:24,455
Speaker 2: a V groove, a tongue and groove type plywood that

1808
01:38:24,495 --> 01:38:25,175
Speaker 2: you've used.

1809
01:38:26,055 --> 01:38:27,855
Speaker 8: Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah, it looks like a

1810
01:38:27,935 --> 01:38:29,495
Speaker 8: bit of tongue and very flooring.

1811
01:38:29,735 --> 01:38:31,935
Speaker 2: See a lot of a lot of that is designed

1812
01:38:31,975 --> 01:38:35,015
Speaker 2: for exterior use, in which case, yes, that will have

1813
01:38:35,375 --> 01:38:39,095
Speaker 2: a very heavy chemical treatment to it for its for

1814
01:38:39,215 --> 01:38:41,015
Speaker 2: it to get H three qualification.

1815
01:38:42,255 --> 01:38:43,495
Speaker 3: And I've used it.

1816
01:38:44,095 --> 01:38:48,375
Speaker 2: Actually you might be onto something now that I've used

1817
01:38:48,375 --> 01:38:50,535
Speaker 2: it for bathroom lining for example, where I've wanted to

1818
01:38:50,575 --> 01:38:52,935
Speaker 2: do like wainscotting tongue and groove around the perimeter of

1819
01:38:52,975 --> 01:38:56,535
Speaker 2: the bathroom. And I can remember getting it and cutting

1820
01:38:56,615 --> 01:38:59,215
Speaker 2: it and it being a very strong smell, but it

1821
01:38:59,335 --> 01:39:03,375
Speaker 2: did diminish over time, and you know, again within.

1822
01:39:03,415 --> 01:39:04,335
Speaker 3: A week or so.

1823
01:39:04,615 --> 01:39:06,855
Speaker 2: I would have expected there to be very very little

1824
01:39:07,575 --> 01:39:10,415
Speaker 2: presence of any sort of residue or odor. So that's

1825
01:39:10,495 --> 01:39:13,095
Speaker 2: a little bit surprising that it's lasted as long as

1826
01:39:13,135 --> 01:39:15,295
Speaker 2: it has. But again, if you would have the indoor

1827
01:39:15,895 --> 01:39:18,655
Speaker 2: air quality tested, it would they would soon be able

1828
01:39:18,695 --> 01:39:21,095
Speaker 2: to determine whether or not it's coming from the adhesive

1829
01:39:21,495 --> 01:39:23,375
Speaker 2: that bonds that fly would together.

1830
01:39:24,495 --> 01:39:27,655
Speaker 8: The builders that did builder has been in there sort

1831
01:39:27,695 --> 01:39:32,975
Speaker 8: of coming back to work out his justice confused and

1832
01:39:33,095 --> 01:39:35,215
Speaker 8: he said, no, it was indoor ply.

1833
01:39:35,535 --> 01:39:38,375
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't It wasn't treated, so it didn't Yeah, okay,

1834
01:39:38,575 --> 01:39:41,815
Speaker 2: well yeah, but I must admit there when I was

1835
01:39:41,855 --> 01:39:43,975
Speaker 2: putting up there several bits that actually had.

1836
01:39:45,295 --> 01:39:47,295
Speaker 8: You know, very bright orange I think it was orange

1837
01:39:47,375 --> 01:39:51,095
Speaker 8: or yellow fluoro paint painted on the side of the

1838
01:39:51,695 --> 01:39:53,975
Speaker 8: to the ply, which I had to send quite a

1839
01:39:54,015 --> 01:39:57,295
Speaker 8: bit before I painted. Would I remember thinking when I

1840
01:39:57,415 --> 01:40:00,775
Speaker 8: was prepping, I thought, if it was you know, really,

1841
01:40:00,775 --> 01:40:02,255
Speaker 8: if it was made for indoor, would it have the

1842
01:40:02,335 --> 01:40:03,895
Speaker 8: fluoro paint sprayed off?

1843
01:40:04,095 --> 01:40:04,295
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1844
01:40:05,215 --> 01:40:06,975
Speaker 2: I tell you what would be really interesting is to

1845
01:40:07,095 --> 01:40:09,455
Speaker 2: ask the builder to send through a copy of the

1846
01:40:09,775 --> 01:40:13,175
Speaker 2: either the delivery slip or the invoice from the supplier

1847
01:40:13,695 --> 01:40:16,975
Speaker 2: for that product, because again you know he may have

1848
01:40:17,135 --> 01:40:20,695
Speaker 2: ordered TGNV untreated and then when the order got to

1849
01:40:20,775 --> 01:40:22,615
Speaker 2: the yard, they went, oh, we don't have any of that,

1850
01:40:22,735 --> 01:40:26,495
Speaker 2: so we'll send out some treated stuff. So yeah, I'd

1851
01:40:26,535 --> 01:40:29,935
Speaker 2: get the invoice for that material. All right, got a

1852
01:40:30,455 --> 01:40:33,135
Speaker 2: nice talking with you all, the very best. Take care

1853
01:40:33,535 --> 01:40:36,895
Speaker 2: by then. Fascinating, fascinating. A couple of quick texts before

1854
01:40:36,895 --> 01:40:38,735
Speaker 2: you go the break. How can I find out what

1855
01:40:38,855 --> 01:40:41,495
Speaker 2: the infull housing policy is in my neighborhood. I'm on

1856
01:40:41,575 --> 01:40:44,255
Speaker 2: the north Shore, so am I. As it happens in Auckland,

1857
01:40:44,895 --> 01:40:47,015
Speaker 2: if a proposed new build means a lack of light

1858
01:40:47,175 --> 01:40:50,335
Speaker 2: sunshine on existing house, is that a liar could turn

1859
01:40:50,375 --> 01:40:53,215
Speaker 2: a healthy home into an unhealthy one. I hear what

1860
01:40:53,255 --> 01:40:55,935
Speaker 2: you're saying, Joe, And we had Hamish Firth a planner

1861
01:40:56,015 --> 01:40:58,535
Speaker 2: in the studio exactly seven days ago. So it's here

1862
01:40:58,775 --> 01:41:01,775
Speaker 2: at this time. The best thing to do is to

1863
01:41:01,815 --> 01:41:04,735
Speaker 2: go to your local council website and to see what

1864
01:41:05,295 --> 01:41:10,655
Speaker 2: the planning regulations permit. That'll give you an idea. Many

1865
01:41:10,855 --> 01:41:15,335
Speaker 2: many areas are zoned for intensification and redevelopment, and yes

1866
01:41:15,495 --> 01:41:19,775
Speaker 2: there will be many areas where you can build possibly

1867
01:41:19,815 --> 01:41:23,095
Speaker 2: out three stories higher meter from the boundary, and that

1868
01:41:23,295 --> 01:41:27,895
Speaker 2: will undoubtedly cause shading. And this is permitted as our

1869
01:41:27,975 --> 01:41:31,855
Speaker 2: cities grow. So first instance, I'd go to the council website,

1870
01:41:32,375 --> 01:41:34,655
Speaker 2: take your time, have a look through. You'll find lots

1871
01:41:34,655 --> 01:41:38,735
Speaker 2: and lots of information there. Now, last one before we

1872
01:41:38,775 --> 01:41:41,295
Speaker 2: go into the garden. Morning, sir, that's very nice.

1873
01:41:41,815 --> 01:41:42,495
Speaker 3: It's very nice.

1874
01:41:44,375 --> 01:41:46,975
Speaker 2: Our elementum joinery is oxidize. What's the best product in

1875
01:41:47,135 --> 01:41:51,215
Speaker 2: your opinion to bring the joinery back regards from Sean. Look,

1876
01:41:51,255 --> 01:41:52,815
Speaker 2: I think if you want to do a really good job,

1877
01:41:52,975 --> 01:41:56,495
Speaker 2: I'd probably get experts in. So have a look at

1878
01:41:56,575 --> 01:42:00,495
Speaker 2: someone like Nanoclear, for example, who would come through, do

1879
01:42:00,655 --> 01:42:03,695
Speaker 2: the proper treatment, do the recoloring, apply a treatment over

1880
01:42:03,775 --> 01:42:07,095
Speaker 2: the top of it to protect it, and get a

1881
01:42:07,175 --> 01:42:10,975
Speaker 2: really good job done. So yeah, I'd check out Nana

1882
01:42:11,015 --> 01:42:13,735
Speaker 2: clear right. Oh, let's jump into the garden where it

1883
01:42:13,855 --> 01:42:16,775
Speaker 2: is all a sweetness and light rod climb passed after

1884
01:42:16,855 --> 01:42:17,175
Speaker 2: the break.

1885
01:42:25,495 --> 01:42:28,415
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