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Speaker 2: This week on The Big League Podcast, Michael Vergis and

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Speaker 2: I will debrief everything you need to know about the

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Speaker 2: Warrior's remarkable turnaround against Manly and whether it'll remain consistent

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Speaker 2: with the resurgent Roosters looming, Plus Stacey Jones and a

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Speaker 2: bid for Caleb Ponger to play for the Kiwis. My

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Speaker 2: name is Nathan Limb. Let's go Big League podcast, right,

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Speaker 2: Everyone get a spoon. Luke Metcalf and Chanelle Harris Tavita

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Speaker 2: have served us up a nice healthy portion of humble pie,

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Speaker 2: and my word, does it taste good. No one saw

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Speaker 2: that coming, no one. There was zero indication that a

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Speaker 2: turnaround that massive was en route, and yet it was

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Speaker 2: seen across the competition. The Roosters beat the Panthers as

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Speaker 2: eleven dollars outsiders. The Raiders punished the Broncos, who looked

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Speaker 2: untouchable last week. Nothing in this competition is certain except

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Speaker 2: for the Titans being bang average. Michael Burgess, Senior in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Herald writer, Are the Warriors back? Are all

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Speaker 2: our fears are late?

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Speaker 3: Certainly our fears of where the season was going after Vegas?

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Speaker 3: Or are late? Aren't they? Everyone's feeling a lot better

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Speaker 3: that hey, the positive feelings about the preseason. Everything we're

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Speaker 3: hearing about how well the preseason had gone behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: You at least started to see a bit of that

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Speaker 3: on Friday night, whereas after Vegas it was like, what

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Speaker 3: the hell's happened? Where is this campaign going? So yeah,

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Speaker 3: very heartening, but a long way Togo. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk more about the match in detail, but I would

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Speaker 3: say that it's not it was unexpected the result. The

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Speaker 3: performance was excellent, but there were a few things. I

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Speaker 3: think Manly were a bit unlucky with a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of They were a bit lucky with a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Let me finished, they've been unlucky with a couple of

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Speaker 3: chances early on. They could have scored three tries in

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Speaker 3: the first ten to fifteen minutes and then it's possibly

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Speaker 3: a different game. The ref I'm being Devil's advocate here.

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Speaker 3: The referee was also pretty tough on them with the

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Speaker 3: set restarts. I think eleven to two so there were

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Speaker 3: a few things that helped the Warriors. And the other

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Speaker 3: thing that people have forgotten about that actually helped the

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Speaker 3: Warriors that we never really thought of was that they

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Speaker 3: lead into this game, mainly had quite a short turnerund

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Speaker 3: after playing the Cowboys had to travel here. All those

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Speaker 3: things added up and actually helped help the Warriors. But yes,

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Speaker 3: excellent performance, great desire, great intent, and now they've got

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Speaker 3: a real platform to build on, haven't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I suppose the talk leading into this game

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Speaker 2: and the way their attack looked so directionless, And the

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Speaker 2: explanation was that they went away from that game plan.

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Speaker 2: I think Luke metcar From said himself was talking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, they sort of went away from what they

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Speaker 2: talked about. Perhaps you know, the occasion of Las Vegas

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Speaker 2: really did get to them. And then back at Mount

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Speaker 2: Smart suddenly the short passes come out. We've got a

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Speaker 2: little bit more variation. We're kicking the twenty the Warriors,

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Speaker 2: which is something that just wasn't really there in round one.

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Speaker 2: So to see that turnaround, I suppose there was obviously

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Speaker 2: a mental shift and the amount of talk there was

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Speaker 2: that shows, I guess the mental resilience. And we were

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Speaker 3: There was some pressure. You're right, there was some pressure,

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Speaker 3: going to let this result slip. In other words, they

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Speaker 3: but the Warriors outmuscled them in the forwards, outplayed them

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Speaker 2: We're going to debrief all the action later discuss the

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Speaker 2: odds of Kayla and Pong are playing for the keywiste.

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Speaker 2: But first, here are the highlights. Warriors thirty six, Seagles sixteen.

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Speaker 4: As he hens the whistle, and we're underway here at

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Speaker 2: And it's got line of this has been topped.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Chavin audio cur to see of Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: could be held. Let's go through this game in a

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Speaker 2: little bit more detail. And obviously, as we mentioned before,

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Speaker 2: it in the twenty wasn't we were seeing so much

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas? They were running the ball. But what

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Speaker 2: was behind this turnaround? What was what did they do differently?

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Speaker 3: Well? The question coming into this match was all about

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Speaker 3: Andrew Webster told us a few times, Nathan, that that

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Speaker 2: Coach Andrew Repster talking afterwards, Wrapped. They stuck to their

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Speaker 2: It didn't play, but we're wrapped that we stuck together

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Speaker 3: We look way more like ourselves, way more. No one's

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Speaker 2: If you look across the team stats, they had the

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Speaker 3: Aaron Clark. He's not that big, you know, he's not

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Speaker 3: because he's like Tahu and Mitch Barnette, to a lesser extent,

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Speaker 3: He was excellent, really laid the platform, really helped to

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Speaker 2: Yeah? They were, But there were also obviously some backs

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Speaker 2: probably the player that I thought played the best in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: I thought he had a really good game, actually, Roger,

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Speaker 2: I felt he went missing a little bit in Vegas,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought Chance was. I still don't

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Speaker 3: his game. But with Roger, what did you think of

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Speaker 2: Defensive well, mainly found space down the edges, didn't they? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what's the issue?

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Speaker 3: So that's I only asked you that, mate, because it's

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Speaker 3: He was trying to he was trying to compress and

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Speaker 3: good thing about Roger though, is he owned that. So

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Speaker 3: after the game he said, you know, I got skinned

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Speaker 2: Podcast, right Burch an interesting story emerged over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: it's starting to feel like, where players are picked from

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Speaker 3: all over the place. So I don't know, do you

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Speaker 3: open it up to everyone? Do you say that Kiwis

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Speaker 3: can play state of Origin eligibles and they've got some

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Speaker 3: link to Queensland And because at the moment this is

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Speaker 3: just say New Zealand is the one that's suffering the

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Speaker 3: most and it's only going to continue as Toma and

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Speaker 3: Somo get stronger. I don't think Australia particularly cares, but

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Speaker 3: that all Australia cares about, justicially is Australia. But there

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Speaker 3: has to be some kind of solution because it would

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Speaker 3: be fantastic if Ponger really wants to play for the Kiwis.

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Speaker 3: How good would it be how good would be for

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Speaker 3: the sport if he plays for the Kiwis. But somehow

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Speaker 3: it can still play for Queensland if they want him.

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Speaker 3: They might not want him. They might say, look, if

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Speaker 3: you're going to play for the Kiwis, we don't want you.

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Speaker 3: We've got Reece, Welsh, We've got this, We've got that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is going to happen. I don't

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Speaker 2: think Calen Pong is going to end up playing for

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Speaker 2: the Kiwis. I think this is just noise. That's my take.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm a bit surprised that Stacy Jones has played

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Speaker 3: his card so early because the Test matches out to November,

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Speaker 3: you know, so there's a lot of time for all

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Speaker 3: this maneuvering to happen. So I'm not sure why he

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Speaker 3: wants to put it out there now. But he was

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Speaker 3: asked and he was honest. You would be keen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to see. It's hard to see him playing

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Speaker 3: for the Kiwis, but if he really wants to. But

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Speaker 3: the thing, that's the thing, He's already played for Queensland,

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Speaker 3: so in theory that makes him ineligible. If he's played

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Speaker 3: for Queensland as a Australian he obviously can't play for

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Speaker 3: the Keys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if Canon Pong was that

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Speaker 2: fast with playing for Australia because he made himself unavailable, remember,

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Speaker 2: because he wanted to focus on his preparation for playing

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Speaker 2: for Newcastle into this year. He made himself unavailable for

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Speaker 2: the Pacific Championships, then backflipped on that decision. I think

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Speaker 2: though that it would involve administrators in Australia collectively going yep,

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Speaker 2: let's change the rules and then effectively they lose a

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Speaker 2: really good player. So I just I just do not

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Speaker 2: see it happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the rules have also got to be changed

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Speaker 3: at the at the top level with the International Rugby League.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's an ongoing discussion. I know Greg Peters

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Speaker 3: at the NEWSBIA League he wants something done because he

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Speaker 3: doesn't feel it's quite right at the moment.

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Speaker 1: LV The Big League Podcast for the Biggest League for.

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Speaker 3: BIRS.

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Speaker 2: Quick fire predictions for Round three of NRL Action. We're

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Speaker 2: kicking off with a doozy and who knows, who knows

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Speaker 2: what will happen Storm Panthers in Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: First of all, though I've already got quite a healthy

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Speaker 3: lead after only two weeks. Are you feeling the pressure?

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding, count what are you talking about? Healthy lead?

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I got six seven out of eight in

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Speaker 3: the first week when you were in here with Nick

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Speaker 3: and yeah, anyway, storm storm for me. But as you say,

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Speaker 3: toss a coin. Panthers are want to bounce back. This

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Speaker 3: is always a fantastic matcher. I just think the storm

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Speaker 3: at home will make the difference.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I think Ivan Claire is going to

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Speaker 2: put a rocket up the Panthers bums after that performance

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Speaker 2: against the Roosters and Nathan Claire even afterwards saying it's

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Speaker 2: not good enough. We were awful basically, and I can't

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Speaker 2: see the Panthers dropping too in a row. Storm will

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Speaker 2: be tough though. It'll be a tight game and it

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Speaker 2: could go either way. Warriors Roosters.

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Speaker 3: That's the beauty, isn't it. Both teams played so well,

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Speaker 3: as we said, both teams with a remarkable turnaround, and

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Speaker 3: both teams on a Friday night, so they've got the

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Speaker 3: equal amount of preparation set up perfectly. What to make

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Speaker 3: the difference? Hard to say. The Roosters have been dominated

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Speaker 3: the Warriors for a long time. Over the years. Will

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Speaker 3: Friday not be different, Let's hope. So I'll go with

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Speaker 3: the Warriors and a close.

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Speaker 2: One Broncos versus the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Broncos the bounce back. They weren't as good against the Raiders,

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Speaker 3: but the Raiders were excellent. The Cowboys are in a

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Speaker 3: bit of a hole and I think Todd Payton's already

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Speaker 3: under pressure, like they'll be better for the Queensland Derby,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's a tough place where North Queensland are

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Speaker 3: at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Definitely the o from two to start the year. Sharks

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Speaker 2: Bunnies in Cronella.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, quite a hard one to tip this one, but

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Speaker 3: you've got to like what Kranella are doing. They were

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Speaker 3: really good against Pendeth and Las Vegas. That was a

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Speaker 3: close game. They've continued that on with the Round two win.

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Speaker 3: Rabbit is excellent the way they got home against the Dragons,

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Speaker 3: but they've lost so many players to injuries and that

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Speaker 3: it's got to take its toll sooner or later.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Sharks. The Bunnies were

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Speaker 2: two very tight wins, but as you say, they've lost

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Speaker 2: quality Dolphins. Tigers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, the Tigers. I am so happy for Benji

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Speaker 3: in the way they won, and you know his little

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Speaker 3: revolution with all the young players he's playing, and it

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Speaker 3: was just to beat a team like the Eels the

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Speaker 3: big weston Derby. Fantastic for them. I do think the

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Speaker 3: Dolphins do something though they're back at home, so I'll

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Speaker 3: go with the Dolphins here, even though the Tigers have

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Speaker 3: got all the momentum.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with the Tigers for that reason,

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Speaker 2: the momentum, and we love an underdog story. Jerome Leui

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Speaker 2: going to the Tigers. Can he turn it around? In

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Speaker 2: the club Titans versus the Knights. As we mentioned at

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Speaker 2: the top, the Titans have got some issues. They've got

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Speaker 2: a really good forward pack, they've got pace out wide,

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Speaker 2: but they just don't seem to have it.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't seem to jel for them with the spine. I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure what the issue is, but they've obviously got issues.

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Speaker 3: So the Knights. Look, I'll be looking about back, but

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Speaker 3: you'd say the Knights will be will be too good here.

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Speaker 2: Eels Bulldogs.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is for me. I remember so many times

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Speaker 3: last season tipping the Eels and saying, surely they'll come right.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do it again. I'm going to say,

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Speaker 3: surely the Eels have come right at home against an

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Speaker 3: arch rival, even though the Bulldogs are looking great. I'm

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Speaker 3: giving you I'm throwing you one here, I'll go Els.

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Speaker 2: You're throwing me a bone bird. But you've got such

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Speaker 2: a lead, they don't you want to consolidate it.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm pretty confident.

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Speaker 2: I'll go with the Bulldogs. Put forty points on the

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Speaker 2: Tiger Titans over the weekend. And finally the Seagles versus

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Speaker 2: the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Hmmmm, it kind of depends.

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Speaker 2: This one's well, the raidst the Raiders beat the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: That's untouchable.

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Speaker 3: They did. No, no, no, I'm going to go with

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Speaker 3: the Seagulls at Brookvale, but it depends. I'll put a

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Speaker 3: cavit on that depending on the injury situation with some

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Speaker 3: of their players, So I reserve the right to change

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Speaker 3: my tip. Can't works later in the week.

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Speaker 2: This is final sequels gay for the Raiders three from three.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Michael Burgess for your time, your wisdom, your insight.

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Speaker 2: Will see you next week on the Bigger League Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Please follow and rate the podcast. We'll be back next Monday.

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Speaker 2: My name is Nathan Limb. Have a great week.

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