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Speaker 1: So the power of citizens arrest was all the talk yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I think we all agree that poor old dairy

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Speaker 1: owners and small retailers who watch rat bags nicking their

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Speaker 1: stuff need the ability to be able to detain the thieves.

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Speaker 1: But the announcement came without many details. The Justice MINISIP

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Speaker 1: Paul Goldsmith says the changes will expand a person's ability

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Speaker 1: to detain someone committing a crime to any time of

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Speaker 1: the day and over any stolen goods. So what we've

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Speaker 1: got at the moment citizens arrest can be made right now,

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Speaker 1: but it can't be made outside the hours of nine

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Speaker 1: pm to six am unless the goods being stolen are

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Speaker 1: worth at least one thousand dollars. And you can make

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Speaker 1: a citizens arrest, but you need to know your law.

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Speaker 1: You need to know whether the crime committed is going

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Speaker 1: to attract a custody or sentence of more than three years,

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Speaker 1: and you need to know the legal definition of reasonable.

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Speaker 1: So when appearing on Ryan Bridges Show last night, the

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Speaker 1: Minister stammered and under and ard and then stressed it's

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Speaker 1: only a proposal, and he seemed vague on the rules

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Speaker 1: of engagement, which is what we all wanted, and that

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Speaker 1: is critical information. In other interviews yesterday, the minister also

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Speaker 1: said the courts will provide guy and says to the

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Speaker 1: boundaries of the law. So in other words, he's saying,

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Speaker 1: have a crack and if it all goes horribly wrong

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Speaker 1: and the shopkeeper ends out in court, well we'll figure

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Speaker 1: out the rules better. No wonder. Many in retail say

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Speaker 1: it will change nothing. It is a big risk taking

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Speaker 1: on a criminal. You'll probably discover they're much more at

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Speaker 1: home with violence than you are. Already, though, we've seen

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Speaker 1: shopkeepers defend their shop from robbers with softball bats and

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Speaker 1: not get into trouble. So does it really help. We

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Speaker 1: will see when it's written. And at the very least,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see a good robust law that enables

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Speaker 1: shopkeepers to be able to stop customers leaving shops with

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Speaker 1: stuff in their bag. You may remember the well known

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Speaker 1: criminal Goalris Garriment got away with refusing a bag check.

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Speaker 1: I hope that sort of thing stops, But so far

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Speaker 1: the citizens Arrest law. As I hate to say it,

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Speaker 1: here comes that phrase. It's a bit of an announcement

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Speaker 1: of an announcement and it needs a lot more work.

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