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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else News Talks have be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going

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Speaker 2: to have a chat to Channel Infrastructure about the fuel

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Speaker 2: stocks that we have. We've got updated numbers, view an

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Speaker 2: immigration lawyer on the changes for asylum seekers, and fertility

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Speaker 2: associates will explain how on earth they lost a family's embryos.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, once again, not for the first time on the

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Speaker 2: show and probably not for the last time on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness for Erica Stanford. Now normally she's righting wrongs

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Speaker 2: in education, but today it's her other portfolio, which is immigration.

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Speaker 2: She has just introduced a piece of law to Parliament

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Speaker 2: to make it possible for New Zealand to say no

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Speaker 2: to asylum seekers if those asylum seekers have committed a

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Speaker 2: serious offense in this country. Now it might blow your

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Speaker 2: mind to know that that's not the case currently. Currently,

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Speaker 2: if someone comes to New Zealand and says or I

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Speaker 2: need to be a refugee and then goes on to

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Speaker 2: commit a serious offense before they have been given that

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Speaker 2: refugee status, so no decision has been taken before it happens.

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Speaker 2: The officials who are making that decision are not allowed

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Speaker 2: to take into account the fact that this person has

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Speaker 2: committed a crime in New Zealand That is bonkers, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's also not theoretical. It has happened and is happening

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Speaker 2: right now. There are fourteen asylum seekers in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: who are waiting on a decision, who have been convicted

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Speaker 2: of serious offenses murder, serious sexual offenses, serious drug offenses

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Speaker 2: and arson. Those crimes will now be considered and I

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Speaker 2: hope to God in each of those cases it's a big,

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Speaker 2: fat no. We don't need murderers in this country now.

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Speaker 2: Apparently we are a soft touch globally. This is not

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Speaker 2: unusual around the world to take into account crimes they

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Speaker 2: are committed in country before giving the refugee status. The

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Speaker 2: for crimes. Australia goes even further than that. It's past

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Speaker 2: the law to revoke refugee status if they need to.

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Speaker 2: These people have already been declared refugees and they take

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Speaker 2: the status off them, prepare yourself of course for the

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Speaker 2: usual hand ringing from usual suspects over this, But this

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Speaker 2: is yet another case of as I say, eric A

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Speaker 2: stands for doing something that's just common sense. Because yes,

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Speaker 2: we absolutely have a duty to protect people from their

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Speaker 2: fallow countrymen if they might come to harm by going

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Speaker 2: back to that country, but our first duty is to

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Speaker 3: Together do for c Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen nineteen is the text number, standard text fees apply

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Speaker 2: and as I say, immigration lawyer with us after five

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Speaker 2: o'clock get their take on it now. As predicted, Marsden

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Speaker 2: Point Oil Refinery has become a topic of some debates

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Speaker 2: since the Iran air strikes. It closed in April twenty

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Speaker 2: and Meghan is with us now and hello, hi Eather,

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Speaker 2: now is it is it something you regret allowing it

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the first thing It wasn't a case

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Speaker 5: I think we need to be really clear that.

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Speaker 4: The company made a commercial decision to shut down. The

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Speaker 4: government isn't in the business of forcing private companies to

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Speaker 2: Okay, is it not the case that they approached you

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Speaker 2: is that not the case?

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Speaker 4: No, that's not the case. And I think if you

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Speaker 6: The paper I.

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Speaker 4: Took to cabinet laid out what our options as a

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Speaker 2: No, I know that. Is it the case? Also that

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Speaker 4: What happened when I took that paper to Cabnet and

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Speaker 4: Bear and buying that Cadnet paper also takes really clear

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Speaker 4: are some options we could look at as a government.

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Speaker 4: We could go back to them and see if they're

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand. And we as a government made the

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Speaker 4: that it only refined crude oil that was brought in

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Speaker 4: problem getting refined product into the country. So we made

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Speaker 4: we made the decision to go for increasing the stockholding.

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Speaker 4: So that's when we're hearing the reporting over the last

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Speaker 4: government introduced minimum stockholding that the government's increased it.

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Speaker 2: Basically, you decided as a government, you considered keeping it

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Speaker 2: open for ten years by underwriting it, and you decided

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Speaker 4: Yes, no, that's not the case, I said, Heather, No,

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Speaker 4: it's not the case. One of the options in the

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Speaker 4: and have a discussion if they were even open to that.

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Speaker 4: No discussions had been had with the commercial operation at

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Speaker 4: that stage. This was my responsibility as a minister to

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Speaker 4: canvas all the options. So you can't say that it

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Speaker 4: for ten years, because we don't even know if that

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Speaker 2: But it is true. We'll just deal with the facts here.

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Speaker 2: It is true that cabinet had considered the possibility of

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that's exactly what I'm saying here though, that

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Speaker 4: what we considered was our fuel security that our response.

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Speaker 2: You were very quick to shut down what I asked

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Speaker 2: you're not prepared to admit to it, which brings us

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Speaker 2: to the next how much hold on? But how much

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Speaker 2: would it have cost you to underwrite it for ten years?

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Speaker 4: Well, we never got to that stage because the decision

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Speaker 4: if we went back and we said we'll underwrite you

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Speaker 4: for ten years, if we're in a situation where global

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Speaker 4: crude there. I think there's a bit of a fence.

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Speaker 2: Why is that, Why is that the only option? Why

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Speaker 2: is global shipping shutting down the only possible scenario? Well,

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Speaker 2: the case we're dealing with right now, is it.

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Speaker 4: Well, it is in terms of global ships being able

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Speaker 2: It's not. That's not a shutdown of shipping. The problem is, Megan,

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Speaker 2: we had we had the former minute manager of the

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Speaker 2: you guys have screwed us by not keeping it open

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Speaker 2: for ten years, because right now we have only got

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Speaker 2: a very limited number of places we can get refined

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Speaker 2: oil from because of your decision. Had we kept it

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Speaker 2: we could have got crude oil from. Do you accept that?

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Speaker 4: But they all needed to actually go through the Straits

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Speaker 3: Omen they.

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Speaker 2: Trying to they're trying to ship it to their west

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Speaker 2: so there are about the places to get it.

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Speaker 4: From heither, and that's we are. The refineries that we

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Speaker 4: that can refine oil? The answer is no. Where the

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Speaker 4: getting hands on crude. And if we still had Marsden open,

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Speaker 4: that would be exactly the same situation now. Shane Jones

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Speaker 4: same thing. So Shane was given an option a year

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Speaker 4: I think that we need to look at the facts

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Speaker 6: It didn't.

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Speaker 4: It couldn't refine out what we produced here. It we

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Speaker 4: that's what is constrained at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that they poured concrete down the pipe

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Speaker 2: so no one else could revitalize the place?

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Speaker 4: No, And it's been the buct can as complete nonsense.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, thank you, Meghan, I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: That's Meghan Woods, who is the minister in charge at

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Speaker 2: the time that the place shut down. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Here the good on Meghan Woods for fronting up her answers.

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Speaker 2: Remind me just how infuriating the years twenty seventeen to

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Speaker 2: you what. Let me come back and oh, summarize what

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Speaker 2: your own mind up about what you think has happened here.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen past four sport.

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Speaker 7: Look, I think they want New Zone CREC to get

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Speaker 7: have contracts to sign. They need to know some clarity

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Speaker 8: So does the thank you?

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Speaker 9: Nothing like the past of mints to take your attention

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Do for Clan Drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Ear Mark? I would agree with you I like, I

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Speaker 2: like what Elliot's got to say. Now, let me explain

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Speaker 2: Be the beden Woods was not clear on is that

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Speaker 2: Is this The pears to be rumors going around on

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Speaker 2: Senanian leader Ali Lari Johanni has been killed in an

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Speaker 12: In the past twenty four hours, we knocked out two

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Speaker 13: So.

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Speaker 2: A top counter terrorism official has quit the Trump administration

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Speaker 14: Well, I read a statement. I always thought he was

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Speaker 12: That he's out.

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Speaker 2: And finally, that's right. Do you want to feel the bones?

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Speaker 2: You can drink the bones now. Bone broth is the

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Speaker 2: there's protein in bone broth, and protein is very on

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Speaker 2: So a North Carolina bar is serving El poncho, which

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Speaker 1: Into this Actually international correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance

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Speaker 1: Peace of Mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 15: Hello, Dan, what a waste of a good avocado and

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Speaker 15: a drink like that?

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Speaker 2: We've got a glass of avocados in this country. We

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Speaker 2: Have you got you? Are you a bit short on them?

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Speaker 15: Oh not at the moment.

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Speaker 11: No.

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Speaker 15: I love avocados. They can't keep them in our house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. So don't you know what if

442
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Speaker 2: you can have an avocat, you have your avocado and

443
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Speaker 2: your toes, you have your avocado in your face, you

444
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Speaker 2: can have it in your cocktail. Now just do it.

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Speaker 2: Go for it now, Joe can't. How's this really going down?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 15: I think it caught everybody by surprise, and you just

448
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Speaker 15: heard it on the world wires or what Trump had

449
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Speaker 15: to say. And of course he would come out and

450
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Speaker 15: you know, prefaced it by saying, yeah, he was a

451
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Speaker 15: nice guy. I always thought he did, but he thought

452
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Speaker 15: he was weak on security. And then this kind of

453
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Speaker 15: put Tulci Gabbert, the Director of National Intelligence and mister

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Speaker 15: Kent's boss, in kind of an awkward position. I mean,

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Speaker 15: she backed the president, but had a carefully worded statement

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Speaker 15: that was posted on social media that did not mention

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Speaker 15: Kent or directly rebuff his comments. So you know, we'll

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Speaker 15: see if more people are going to follow, because there

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Speaker 15: are a few Republicans that are slowly backing away from saying, hey,

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Speaker 15: you know what, this was a good idea to go

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Speaker 15: in and do what we did with.

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Speaker 2: Iron, Now, is it? I can't decide why the guy's

463
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Speaker 2: really quit if I'm going to be a conspiracy theorist

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Speaker 2: in this case. Is he really quitting because he believes

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Speaker 2: what he is saying? Or is it actually because he

466
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Speaker 2: represents the megabase who would just really upset that they're

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Speaker 2: in any kind of international ward all.

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Speaker 15: You know, I think those are both good guesses right now,

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Speaker 15: and it's anybody's theory at this point in time. Or

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Speaker 15: he could just feel like maybe the Trump presidency and

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Speaker 15: of course his supporters will deny this, might be taking

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Speaker 15: a little bit of a hit and he wants to

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Speaker 15: separate himself from that right now.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you ran for public office before he ran

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Speaker 2: for Congress in southwest Washington State. So is it possible,

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Speaker 2: I mean, because he is, I'll tell you what. Hey,

477
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Speaker 2: he's a handsome man with a good hit of here,

478
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Speaker 2: and he's got great pedigree he might want to run

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Speaker 2: far office again.

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Speaker 15: He could, I mean, he could go up for who

481
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Speaker 15: knows in a few years, maybe sooner. He could go

482
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Speaker 15: up against somebody like JD. Vance if he was interested

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Speaker 15: in the presidency. But I think he'd have to take

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Speaker 15: a few steps in a couple of other offices before

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Speaker 15: he would consider that.

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Speaker 3: But who knows.

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Speaker 15: I mean, we've had as many as fifteen, sixteen, seventeen

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Speaker 15: candidates in the past for the GEO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, Now listen, Operation Epstein Fury. What is this?

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Speaker 15: Well, are we talking about the poll here that people

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Speaker 15: are thinking that President Trump attacked Iran because of the

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Speaker 15: headlines about Epstein. And this new poll out found that

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Speaker 15: fifty two percent of people agreed with that, eighty one

494
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Speaker 15: percent of Democrats thought the war was a deliberate distraction,

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Speaker 15: and you had maybe about half fifty to fifty two

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Speaker 15: percent of independent voters and only twenty six percent of Republicans. Now,

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Speaker 15: this poll, I tell you, Heather, it's one of several

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Speaker 15: that have come out in the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 15: from ed This particular one is from a very left

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Speaker 15: leaning group, so you have to take it with a

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Speaker 15: grain of salt. But there is another a poll from

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Speaker 15: at dot gov that just finds more Americans are not

503
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Speaker 15: happy without the president's doing his job or what's going

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Speaker 15: on in Iran. In the bottom line, there's this divide

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Speaker 15: like there always is, with the publicans saying this was

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Speaker 15: the right thing to do in this case, in Democrats

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Speaker 15: saying we were wrong to go in.

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Speaker 2: What is the UFO yan? I love a ufo yan?

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Speaker 15: Oh so do I. This was a guy who's eighty

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Speaker 15: five years old and he claimed that in the late

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Speaker 15: nineteen sixties at a military base in Montana, that their

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Speaker 15: intercontinental ballistic missiles were disabled by an unknown force. This

513
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Speaker 15: happened over two days soldiers on the base. It's in

514
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Speaker 15: the sky. They could stop, they could hover, they could

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Speaker 15: take off at weird angles, and right after a bright

516
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Speaker 15: red glow, the hidden underground missiles went off lines. And

517
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Speaker 15: so this veteran went on a podcast and he says

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Speaker 15: he's convinced that intelligent non human civilizations have visited Earth

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Speaker 15: and they attempted to prevent World War three from causing

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Speaker 15: a nuclear holocaust. Now, whir are more people not covering

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Speaker 15: this story?

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Speaker 2: I can't answer that question for you, Dan don't know.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating Thank you. Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Give a dup.

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Speaker 2: C Ellen fascinated by how many people in the US

526
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Speaker 2: military I like, obsessed with UFOs, but like one hundred

527
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Speaker 2: percent believe that they're real. And I can't decide whether

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Speaker 2: it's because in the US military they genuinely are seeing

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Speaker 2: things the rest of US mere mortals are not seeing,

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Speaker 2: or if it's just because the catchment that they draw

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Speaker 2: into the US military is particularly stupid, and I feel

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Speaker 2: I'm leaning towards the latter. I think they get dumb

533
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Speaker 2: people in there who go, oh, look at them lights

534
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Speaker 2: in the sky? Oh, you were fothes? Do you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? I think that's what's going back. But

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Speaker 2: I love a UFO story. I'm trying to force myself

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Speaker 2: to believe in it because it's such a good yarn. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I got some updated fuel stock numbers because Nicola you

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Speaker 2: will remember when she was on with us on Monday,

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Speaker 2: she said, the numbers are coming out on Wednesday, and

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Speaker 2: here they are. We have in the country. Well, no,

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Speaker 2: let's do it like this. We have fifty one days

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Speaker 2: worth of petrol. Twenty eight of them are in the country,

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Speaker 2: twenty three of them are on the water. We have

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Speaker 2: forty seven days worth of diesel and forty nine days

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Speaker 2: worth of jet fuel. Now, if you are keeping track

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Speaker 2: of these numbers, you'll note that we do have six

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Speaker 2: days fewer than the last time we got the numbers.

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Speaker 2: So the days of fuel is down by six it's

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Speaker 2: almost a week. And the last time we got the

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Speaker 2: numbers was ten days ago. Now that's a thing, given

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Speaker 2: that this was also counted on Sunday, and that's what too. Maybe,

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Speaker 2: like let's say three working days ago, we may actually

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Speaker 2: we have two or three days fewer than we've given

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Speaker 2: you the numbers for now. I'm not freaking out about this,

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Speaker 2: but you know, if there's one thing we learned during

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Speaker 2: COVID numbers can freak us out, I feel like these

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Speaker 2: are the new COVID numbers. How many days of fuel?

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Speaker 2: Every single day? At one pm? Press conference? Barries with

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Speaker 2: us next quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics, credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: By the way, on the fuel I was just talking about,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't seen what the price of petrol and

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Speaker 2: diesel has done in the last few times, stand by

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Speaker 2: and I'll give it to you in a minute. Be

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Speaker 2: prepared to weep thirteen away from five Barries Sober, senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondence with US. Hello Barry, Hello.

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Speaker 16: Heather, speaking of weeping, poor ol Winston Peters is weeping

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Speaker 16: at the moment. He seems to have been dragged in

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Speaker 16: to the Hipkin saga.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, he hates attention like this. He'll be

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Speaker 2: really deeply well.

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Speaker 16: One thing about Winston and those of us who know

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Speaker 16: him well, he hates anything about private lives. And he

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Speaker 16: is one that would not be associated with discussing rumors.

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Speaker 2: That Jerry stop right there. Who was it who brought

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Speaker 2: Bussy's private life to everybody's attention? It was Winston well well, but.

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Speaker 16: That was in Parliament and it was raised as being

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Speaker 16: I mean, there was more sinister stuff involved in but

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Speaker 16: thrown that one on me and I'm sure I could

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Speaker 16: argue through that. But what he doesn't like is he

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Speaker 16: does not like people's private lives other than Bussy maybe,

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Speaker 16: but and that's another matter. But that I've said that

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Speaker 16: because Jade Paul worked for the New Zealand First Party,

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Speaker 16: and she did last year she worked for Casey Costello

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Speaker 16: in an advisory role and then she moved on affoicably

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Speaker 16: from New Zealand first, so there was and certainly we

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Speaker 16: all know that Winston Peters does not get on with

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Speaker 16: Chris Hipkins, says he would never work in a coalition

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Speaker 16: government with her.

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Speaker 2: I think she just got another job, well, a higher

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Speaker 2: paying job.

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Speaker 16: Of course she did, of course she did. But it's

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Speaker 16: interesting that, of course Chris Hipkins said at the opening

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Speaker 16: of his news conference yesterday that he had never posted

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Speaker 16: with his children on any social media post, and indeed

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Speaker 16: he extended that by saying other issues or other magazines,

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Speaker 16: and of course he has we know that. But on

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Speaker 16: social media on his own posts Facebook post, he was

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Speaker 16: photographed and I've seen the entry. He was photographed with

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Speaker 16: a little toddler in a pushchair and one on a

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Speaker 16: bicycle and it was just coincidentally a week before the

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Speaker 16: election in twenty twenty, so you know, this is obviously politics.

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Speaker 16: What a good father he is, and.

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Speaker 2: To say that he has brought his own private life

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Speaker 2: and he has right quite apart from posting about his children,

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Speaker 2: which he clearly has done in this picture that's doing

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Speaker 2: the rounds, he's also done the women's magazines with the

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Speaker 2: new girlfriend and then the publicity with the ex wife

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Speaker 2: of the wedding and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, of course he has.

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Speaker 16: So the Prime Minister was asked about it before he

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Speaker 16: boarded the Air Force playing back to New Zealand from Tonga.

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Speaker 16: But Chris Luxan wasn't about to make a political comment.

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Speaker 17: Look, I'm aware of the conversation back at home. I'm

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Speaker 17: not going to comment on it. That's really insue for

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Speaker 17: Chris Sippins and yeah, I've got on focused on things

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Speaker 17: of the.

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Speaker 16: Country and you know when it comes to issues like this,

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Speaker 16: unlike the situation with the bossy claim in Parliament, and

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Speaker 16: that was under the cloak of parliamentary privilege. You know,

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Speaker 16: politicians normally don't indulge in any scuttle butt about private lives.

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Speaker 16: This is a kin. This one is a kin to

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Speaker 16: Naomi Long and David Longe. As I said yesterday when

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Speaker 16: she went rogue.

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Speaker 2: Now where's the Prime Minister off to if he's leaving Tonge.

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Speaker 16: Well he's coming back to New Zealand. Well, Mark Mitchell

628
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Speaker 16: I think is getting married at the end of the

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Speaker 16: week and he will probably be there. But look, there's

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Speaker 16: a big issue in the Pacific at the moment with

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Speaker 16: Pacific countries being channeled being a channel of drugs coming

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Speaker 16: into the Australian and New Zealand market, and you know,

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Speaker 16: big halls have been found. New Zealand helps quite considerably

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Speaker 16: with dog detection units and they've got them in Tongue.

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Speaker 16: And certainly, Chris Hopkins, there was another deal signed with

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Speaker 16: Tonga that we help because we helped to help ourselves

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Speaker 16: because the last thing we want is meth amphetamine and

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Speaker 16: what have you coming into the country. Well, in this

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Speaker 16: last word to journalists before before flying back, Hipkins, sorry Hipkins,

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Speaker 16: goodness gracious me. I know this Chris is get very confusing,

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Speaker 16: but Luxeon highlighted the work being done to combat the

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Speaker 16: flow of drugs through the Pacific.

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Speaker 17: We've got the narco drug families coming in from South America.

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Speaker 17: They're coming in because it's an attractive market. Now, it's

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Speaker 17: unprecedented some of the stuff that we've been seeing, and

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Speaker 17: so we've got one common approach, whether it's Australia, New Zealand, Tonga,

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Speaker 17: sam O fig increasing, we want to work together, the

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Speaker 17: five of us. You're seeing a really big rise in HIV,

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Speaker 17: in particular in some of the countries through the Pacific

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Speaker 17: as well, so they're seeing the effects of drugs in

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Speaker 17: their own communities for the first time, and they're very

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Speaker 17: concerned about it and very alarmed about it, and so

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Speaker 17: being able to have a common approach to how we

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Speaker 17: tackle that working together, I think's really important.

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Speaker 16: You know, the thing about the Pacific here that I've

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Speaker 16: traveled there many many times that drugs were never an

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Speaker 16: issue for Pacific islanders, and suddenly and we know in

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Speaker 16: Fiji it's been a real problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it, very sober,

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Speaker 2: Senior political correspondent, seven away from five. Here there is

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Speaker 2: Chris Hopkins paying you under the table to say nice

662
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Speaker 2: things about him to deflect us. But what I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying nice do I'd say nice things about Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I say he's got a nice face, because

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Speaker 2: he does. But it's a tricky face, isn't it. This

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Speaker 2: is one thing we know about Chris Hipkins. Our boy

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Speaker 2: can tell some porky's. Hey, he loves a porky. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't say nice things about Chris Hopkins, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying to deflect from his bad behavior. I just

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Speaker 2: I just don't think. Don't let your feelings about him

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Speaker 2: as a politician cloud what is quite clearly going on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't let it cloud. What is an obvious

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Speaker 2: situation here? Do you know what I mean? You can

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Speaker 2: kind of separate out the two like, look at him

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Speaker 2: as the politician, look at him as the human. Put

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Speaker 2: yourself in his position.

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Speaker 18: I'll tell you what. She's not cutting any of user

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Speaker 18: under the table. I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 2: No, they are getting absolutely none of that money. That's

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Speaker 2: all going straight into the concert club. All that money.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we need to talk about Robbie. Robbi's coming,

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Speaker 2: Robbie Williams and you know, you know, concert club is

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Speaker 2: going to go see him because that boy's a good time.

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Speaker 2: Here you go, here's a fuel price, gurgie loins. These

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Speaker 2: are all averages, okay, So don't come at me if

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Speaker 2: you go, if yang in Wellington, it's not costing that,

687
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Speaker 2: it's costing twenty cents more. Well, that's your fault for

688
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Speaker 2: living in Wellington. It's this is an average across the

689
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Speaker 2: country ninety one three dollars ten. Fifteen days ago it

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Speaker 2: was two dollars forty nine. Two dollars forty nine to

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Speaker 2: three dollars ten. That's a sixty one cent increase. Woo

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Speaker 2: diesel has gone to two dollars eighty fifteen days ago,

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Speaker 2: it was let me do cook maths here for you

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Speaker 2: two dollars eighty seven, one dollar eighty seven. What am

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Speaker 2: I doing with bad maths? Was before Erica changed the

696
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Speaker 2: curriculums when I did my maths one dollar eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: Now two dollars eighty that's an increase of ninety three cents.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Fame jeez, Okay, there's a political poll. It

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Speaker 2: didn't have time to tell you about it. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you about it shortly. Also, we're going to discuss what's

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Speaker 2: going on with sweets and schools, lollies and schools. Apparently

702
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Speaker 2: teachers aren't supposed to give the kids lollies and someone's complained,

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Speaker 2: haven't They have complained about it because some teachers are

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Speaker 2: doing it. So we'll discuss that. But next channel infrastructure

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Speaker 2: on how much fuel we've gotten, whether we should be

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Speaker 2: relaxed or freaking out users.

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Speaker 1: Next drive show, you can try the truck to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, we get the answers, find the fact sack

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Speaker 1: and give the analysis. Here the duplicy Ellan drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile News

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Speaker 1: doorgsav afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I've got the latest fuel numbers for you. As of Sunday,

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Speaker 2: there was about twenty eight days worth of ninety one

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Speaker 2: in the country and about twenty three days worth on ships.

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Speaker 2: We have forty seven days of diesel and we have

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Speaker 2: forty nine days of jet fuel. Channel Infrastructure operates New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's largest fuel import terminal and the chief executive, Rob

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Speaker 2: Buchanon is with us, Hi, Rob, Hi, Heather, those numbers

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Speaker 2: looking good to.

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Speaker 19: You, Yeah, well, that's absolutely consistent with what we've got.

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Speaker 3: In our import terminal system.

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Speaker 19: Our terminal system accounts for about forty percent of New

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Speaker 19: zealands transport fuel and about eighty percent of New Zealand's

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Speaker 19: jet fuel. So that's absolutely in line with what we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: How low can we go on those numbers before we

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Speaker 2: freak out?

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Speaker 19: Well, the government put in place minimum stockholding obligation which

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Speaker 19: see the fuel importers need to hold those numbers with

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Speaker 19: a minimum of currently twenty one days of diesel moving

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Speaker 19: to twenty eight days of diesel soon, petrol at twenty

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Speaker 19: eight days and jet at twenty four days. And that

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Speaker 19: was part of a fuel security investigation that they undertook

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Speaker 19: about eighteen months ago to ensure that New Zealand's fuel

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Speaker 19: supply would be resilient to these types of international shots.

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Speaker 19: So I think we should take a lot of comfort

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Speaker 19: from the You know, what is it about five or

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Speaker 19: six weeks of forward cover that we've got today?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that when we get down to twenty

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Speaker 2: one days of diesel, twenty out of petrol, twenty four

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Speaker 2: of jet field, that's when we start freaking out?

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Speaker 19: Well, I think your comments are hypothetical because we're not

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Speaker 19: there yet, and it assumes that we will get there,

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Speaker 19: and obviously the government's kind of run across this issue

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Speaker 19: and is looking at it kind of very seriously right now.

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Speaker 19: But you know, as I said, the position we go

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Speaker 19: into this is pretty good with days come forward days cover.

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Speaker 2: That Well, the reason I'm asking you, Rob is because

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Speaker 2: I'm just assuming that, given that there has been there

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Speaker 2: will be a point at which we stop receiving the

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Speaker 2: fuel at the current rate, right, and so there will

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Speaker 2: be a point at which the stocks become depleted. Would

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Speaker 2: you say that that's fair?

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Speaker 19: Well, I don't we so we haven't seen that today.

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Speaker 2: No, we wouldn't have because the ships have still been

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Speaker 2: coming and we won't see it for a wee while,

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Speaker 2: but at some point, unless that straight opens up really quickly,

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Speaker 2: there will be a point at which we start eating

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Speaker 2: into our reserves right.

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Speaker 19: Well, just to speak to that. So there's been a

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Speaker 19: really significant shock to the global crude supply. So I

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Speaker 19: think that's obvious to everybody. About twenty percent of the

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Speaker 19: world's crude goes through the strait of hormos. But crude

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Speaker 19: is a globally fungible product, and there's production in the

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Speaker 19: United States, you've got shale, you've got production in the Gulf,

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Speaker 19: South America, West Africa, and those countries or those fields,

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Speaker 19: and response to the higher crew prices that you're seeing

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Speaker 19: will respond ramping up production. And on the other side,

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Speaker 19: you know, with high fuel prices, you'll see people using

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Speaker 19: less fuel. And so the whole point of having the

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Speaker 19: minimum stockholdings that we've got and the forward visibility of

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Speaker 19: fuel coming to us is to give us a shock

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Speaker 19: absorber while that system rebalances. So I can't tell you

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Speaker 19: whether we're going to get there or not, but my

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Speaker 19: point would be that the global crud market is, you know,

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Speaker 19: it's a fungible product, and crewit can go where it

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Speaker 19: needs to go.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Rob appreciated, Robbie Cannon.

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Speaker 2: Channel Infrastructure Chief Executive.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper see Ellen, the Government's.

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Speaker 2: Introduced a law to Parliament today which will make it

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Speaker 2: harder for some asylum seekers to get refugee status. It's

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Speaker 2: a bill, not a law actually the crimes commit What

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Speaker 2: it means is that crimes committed in this country will

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Speaker 2: be taken into account before decisions are made refugee decisions,

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Speaker 2: which is not the case at the moment. Immigration lawyer

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Speaker 2: Pouja Sunda was at the minister's announcement about this today

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Speaker 2: and is with us. Hi Pooja, Hello, Heather, thanks for

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Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, thanks for joining us. I mean this

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Speaker 2: is fair enough, isn't it. If you commit a crime

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand before we give you asylum, we should

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Speaker 2: be able to take that into account.

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Speaker 20: I think it's absolutely fair to take that into account.

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Speaker 20: I think the issue really is about what we're going

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Speaker 20: to do with it. Are we going to put them

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Speaker 20: on a variety of work visers which destabilitizes them not

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Speaker 20: being able to access rehabilitation, not being able to access

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Speaker 20: the support they need to ensure they don't offend again,

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Speaker 20: or whether we give them residents and those supports that

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Speaker 20: they really need to ensure that while they remain in

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Speaker 20: this country, they're able to hopefully focus on being law

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Speaker 20: abiding citizens.

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Speaker 2: Do we have the option of sending them somewhere else.

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Speaker 20: No, not if we're going to abide by our international conventions,

804
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Speaker 20: and that is how it should be.

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Speaker 2: So we should keep a murderer in the country, which

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Speaker 2: is one of the ones that is currently asking for asylum.

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Speaker 20: I think the difference is that we need to abide

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Speaker 20: by the international conventions that New Zealand is signed up to.

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Speaker 21: Doesn't mean that they're not going to be subject to

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Speaker 21: the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 20: They're absolutely going to face punishment for what they've done,

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Speaker 20: and the criminal justice system we have in New Zealand

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Speaker 20: will take care of that. But doesn't mean that we

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Speaker 20: have to send them home to potentially be facing death

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Speaker 20: or arbitrary detention or torture themselves. That's just not how

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Speaker 20: New Zealand operates.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that under the bill that has just been introduced?

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Speaker 2: Is that a possibility or are we stuck with them

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Speaker 2: in this country.

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Speaker 21: I don't think it's about them being stuck in this

821
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Speaker 21: country I think it's about it.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to get hung upon my language. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to get to I'm trying to understand them here.

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Speaker 2: Does the bill allow us to deport them if they

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Speaker 2: are murderers seeking asylum? Or are we required to even

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Speaker 2: if we don't give them asylum, keep them here.

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Speaker 20: It actually a really complicated question, and it's not just

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Speaker 20: about this bill.

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Speaker 21: It's about the Immigration Act as it stands.

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Speaker 20: There are ways that refugees can be deported, recognized refugees,

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Speaker 20: recognize potential protective persons.

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Speaker 21: But I think that's a much larger conversation.

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Speaker 2: I think I'll tell you what. I'll go to the

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Speaker 2: minister that she'll be able to answer that question. How

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Speaker 2: do you feel about the fact that they will get

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Speaker 2: two days notice of the biometrics appointments where the fingerprints

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Speaker 2: will be taken?

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Speaker 21: Really not good. I think that this was not something

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Speaker 21: that was ever happening.

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Speaker 20: In fact, the rule actually just started on the first

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Speaker 20: of March, and so this hasn't been something that people

842
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 20: have been failing to attend. This is something that has

843
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Speaker 20: been created to actually trip people up and potentially have

844
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Speaker 20: an avenue to decline. Rigugi claims okay, especially when they

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Speaker 20: don't speak sorry, go ahead, no.

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Speaker 2: No, no care, especially when they don't speak.

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Speaker 20: When they don't speak English, they have faced trauma and

848
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Speaker 20: what their experiences. They don't have an interpreter and they're

849
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Speaker 20: not sure what's happening. Then having to go in for

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Speaker 20: two days to a position of authority to give your

851
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Speaker 20: fingerprints and.

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Speaker 21: Your passport can be very difficult to handle.

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Speaker 2: Can it all right? Posia? Thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Pooja Sunder immigration lawyer. I tell you what we will

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Speaker 2: will get in contact with us because I think this

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Speaker 2: is important.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're aware of this, but there

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Speaker 2: are fourteen people in this country right now who've committed

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Speaker 2: various crimes including murder, sexual serious sexual crimes, serious drug crimes,

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Speaker 2: arson who are looking for asylum that will now be

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Speaker 2: taken into account when it wasn't previously before. Refugee status

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Speaker 2: is granted. But that's fine, But the question now is well,

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Speaker 2: what do you do if you don't give them the

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Speaker 2: refugee status? Do you get rid of them? So we'll

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Speaker 2: go to the Minister's office and we'll ask the minister's

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Speaker 2: office and I'll get you that answer. As soon as

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Speaker 2: possible fourteen past five.

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Speaker 3: Pole.

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Speaker 2: We've got the new pole that's been leaked. It's better

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Speaker 2: for National than the twenty eight percent pole. Nationals on

872
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Speaker 2: thirty two percent in this one, Labor is still ahead

873
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Speaker 2: on thirty five percent, though the Greens are on eleven.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand First is also on eleven, Actors on seven,

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Speaker 2: in the Malordi parties on two. Now it is important

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Speaker 2: to know where this pole has come from. It's the

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Speaker 2: old Talbot Mills job again, which is my favorite one

878
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Speaker 2: because every other pole just comes out consistently at the

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Speaker 3: Heather do for see Allen Well.

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Speaker 2: I think you can probably guess what the texts are saying,

914
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: but I will get that to you shortly. Right now

915
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: though nineteen past five now, a parent in Northland has

916
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: drawn media attention to teachers giving out chocolates and lollies

917
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: to kids. This mother says that her son's first school

918
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: gave out lollies to kids who picked up litter, and

919
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: his current school gives chocolate and sweets as prizes, and

920
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: the Ministry of Health guidelines say this should not happen

921
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 2: at schools. Boyd Swinburne is the professor of Population, Nutrition

922
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: and Global Health at the University of Auckland who's been

923
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: on the show many times and he's back with us.

924
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: Hello Boyd, Hello Heather.

925
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: Okay, whose side are you on?

926
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Speaker 14: Yeah?

927
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: Are you on the side of the kids who just

928
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: want the sweets or the Ministry of Health and the mother?

929
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 8: Well, I totally sympathize with the teacher's position and trying

930
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 8: to manage kids. And you know, in my day they

931
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 8: tried to manage manage us by caning us. So thankfully

932
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 8: we've got away from that kind of negative reinforcement and

933
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 8: they're trying positive reinforcement. And yeah, sweets and lollies are easy,

934
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 8: cheap ways to do that, and that kids respond to it,

935
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Speaker 8: but I don't think our imagination should be limited to that,

936
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Speaker 8: and there probably are better ways of doing it the time,

937
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Speaker 8: like what stickers kids teeth teach stickers and points and

938
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Speaker 8: other sort of rewards. There's lots of things that kids

939
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 8: respond to rather than confectionery, like what.

940
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Speaker 2: Asking for a friend who's got a four year old hair?

941
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Because I think because I mean, look, I know that

942
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: we should be careful about teeth, and I know that

943
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: we should be doing but we're also human beings who

944
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: need to just have a bit of a good time sometimes.

945
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: Are we just being way too boring here kids?

946
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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, you could say, you can say that, but

947
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 8: actually schools can find other ways. I'm not a school teacher,

948
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Speaker 8: I don't know, but plenty of schools have done. Plenty

949
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Speaker 8: of schools do say that we're providing the best environment

950
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Speaker 8: for kids, we're being role model, institutional role models, and

951
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Speaker 8: they will find ways to do it. And you know,

952
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 8: I think that when over time, as healthy eating hopefully

953
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Speaker 8: gets more traction in schools like it is with the

954
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Speaker 8: healthy school lunches and so on, that it'll be seen

955
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 8: as a bit of an anathema to have to give

956
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 8: out lollies. And also you want to match what the

957
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Speaker 8: school does with what the school teachers in the curriculum.

958
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 8: So if they're teaching all the stuff about healthy eating

959
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 8: and then they go around and do that, it doesn't

960
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Speaker 8: really resonate, does it. So I think in time a

961
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 8: little bit like you know, caning kids is now really

962
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 8: seen as not the thing you do, and it's been

963
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 8: kind of outlawed schools. You know, maybe in ten years

964
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 8: time or fifteen years time, we might find that there

965
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 8: isn't it isn't such a widespread pack practice and lots

966
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 8: of schools have found other ways to reward kids.

967
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Speaker 2: All right, he thank you, Boyd, I really appreciate you.

968
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Speaker 2: Ti On Boyd Swindbird, Professor of Population, Nutrition and Global

969
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: Health at the University of Auckland Heather the poll was

970
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: leaks because of chippy. Wasn't the pole just leak? Everybody

971
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: got it? Of course, the pole was leak because of chippy.

972
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: Because you know what the problem here is, lady voters.

973
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: Lady voters, Lady voters. Women voters are the key to

974
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: winning the election, and women voters are the most likely

975
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: to be turned off by the allegations unproven that have

976
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: been leveled against Chippy, So they'll be freaking out. Five two.

977
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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather dup clan

978
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else

979
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: news talks.

980
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: They'd be Heather as a teacher. It always amazes me

981
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: the extreme effort children will go to for one jelly bean. Allison,

982
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: you can be too much of a bloody walser here.

983
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: A few lollies every now and again is not a

984
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: big deal, is it? Five to twenty five? Now, I

985
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: can't understand why the people on the board of New

986
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket haven't made a decision yet to go with

987
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: the MZ twenty competition. This is a slam dunk to me.

988
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: It is an obvious yes, I don't get it, and

989
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: yet they're being so indecisive and taking such a long

990
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: time that it's prompted two of our best cricketers, Rasha

991
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: and Ravendra and Darryl Mitchell to tell them in public

992
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: to hurry up. Both of these guys have spoken to

993
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: the Herald and they'll get in trouble for it with MZZ.

994
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: They've spoken to the Herald that time is of the

995
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: essence because we have Black Caps who are right now

996
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: needing to decide if they sign what I understand a

997
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: two year contracts to go and play overseas. They would

998
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: much rather play here, but if there is no T

999
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 2: twenty competition here, they will have to go to South

1000
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Africa or the Middle East or wherever it is to

1001
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: go and play the cricket. But understand what that means, right,

1002
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: So if they go away, it means that there are

1003
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: about apparently half a dozen players who, if they sign

1004
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: those contracts overseas, will go on to casual contracts for

1005
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 2: the black Caps. They will not be available for every

1006
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: series anymore. They will pick and choose like fin Allen

1007
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: does at the moment, and when we would rather have

1008
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: them playing every single game for us, wouldn't we? And

1009
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: I think you can read between the lines of the

1010
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: fact that Raj and Revendra and Darryl Mitchell have spoken

1011
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: to the Herald means that they are two of those players.

1012
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: This is why it is a slam dunk decision for

1013
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: me if you choose. If the NZC chooses T twenty,

1014
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: they get to keep Russian Revendra and Daryl Mitchell and

1015
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: all the others who might leave the black Caps on

1016
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: and go on casual contracts, and you never know, maybe

1017
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 2: Fin Allen, maybe sim Seifer'd come back as well. Maybe

1018
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: the ends of twenty works. Maybe we get to see

1019
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: great T twenty in January and Totunger and Queenstown. But

1020
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: if they choose to not go with the T twenty,

1021
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: we will remain the only cricket playing country with no

1022
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: franchise TEA twenty in the world. We will lose Russian

1023
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: Revendra and lose Daryl Mitchell maybe four others from the

1024
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: black Caps es centrally contracted players. So what's the hold up?

1025
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Because it looks to me, between those two options, it's

1026
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: a slam dunk decision, isn't it.

1027
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: Heather duplus they Allen.

1028
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Fertility Associates had a day of

1029
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: it today, didn't they. They've had to apologize because they

1030
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: it turns out last year they lost a family's embryo

1031
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: and they don't know where the They don't know where

1032
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: the embryo is, which is not a laughing matter. If

1033
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: you've done the fertility, if you've done the IVF mate

1034
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: there's rough and some families only end up with three

1035
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: embryos or something like that. Anyway, why have a chat

1036
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: to They're going to be with us next. What I

1037
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 2: want to know is, what do they think actually happened here?

1038
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: Hither keeping a convicted murderer in New Zealand who was

1039
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: a refugee to protect their rights? WTF? How about the

1040
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: rights of New Zealanders? Hither, we didn't ask for these

1041
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: people to come here asking for asylum. They break our laws,

1042
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: were stuck with them. How is that fair on the

1043
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: victims of these people? Hither we need to put these

1044
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: people on a plane back home because why should the

1045
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: New Zealand tax pay a foot the bill? Because they

1046
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: do not follow the rules of our culture. Well, this

1047
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: answer is simple, we have international obligations. Apparently. Anyway, we're

1048
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: still waiting on the Minister's office, So as soon as

1049
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: we hear from them, we'll get you that answer. Fertility

1050
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: and Associates next news talks'd be.

1051
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: The day's newsquakers talk to Heather.

1052
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: First, heare the duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand

1053
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: and the power of satellite mobile.

1054
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: New Saw said, be you are the ding my.

1055
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 18: Head thing my head.

1056
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: Take a chairs, take a chair.

1057
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 22: Yes.

1058
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: The Westport apparently Westport's going to lose its only air

1059
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 2: service from first of May unless the government rescues Origin Air.

1060
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: Origin Airs today confirmed it's no longer able to sustain

1061
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: the losses that they are incurring on the Westport to

1062
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: Wellington route. And so it's basically and the Government's caught

1063
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: this one. So we'll get you across that if there

1064
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: are any developments there, although I think it's going to

1065
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 2: be a long running decision, you know, one of those

1066
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: ones where they ruminate on it for a little while. Anyway,

1067
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: right now it's twenty four away from six in the

1068
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: Huddles Standing By Fertility Associates has apologized to a family

1069
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: after losing one of its embryos. It happened last year.

1070
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: The embryo wasn't transferred into another mum. They've done an

1071
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: external review which found the systems are secure. Doctor Andrew

1072
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: Murray is the chief medical officer and is with us now,

1073
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: Hi Andrew, Good evening. Hear that have you figured out

1074
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: how you lost the embryo?

1075
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 23: Well, we've conducted a thorough and extremely methodical investment. Is

1076
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 23: that the embryos, there are no embryos transferred to other patients.

1077
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 23: We haven't inadvertently discarded the embryo, and nor have we

1078
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 23: transferred the embryos to another laboratory.

1079
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: So you don't know what happened.

1080
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 23: Where As frustrated as anyone about this, we've done everything

1081
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 23: possible to establish what has happened here. And as I say,

1082
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 23: we've been through an incredibly robust and thorough process to

1083
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 23: try and establish what has happened. And what we know

1084
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 23: is true is that the embryos are not in another

1085
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 23: patient and haven't been inadvertently discarded or transferred offshore.

1086
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: How did you realize? How did you realize that one

1087
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: was missing?

1088
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 23: So on the day the patient who, So this is

1089
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 23: an isolated incident, and on the day in question, when

1090
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 23: the patient presented to have the embryo trans who the

1091
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 23: embryo could not be located. And as a result, obviously

1092
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 23: there was open disclosure with them immediately, and that's what

1093
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 23: kicked off the process for us to establish what has happened.

1094
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: Did the family have other embryos.

1095
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 23: I don't want to speak specifically about the affected family

1096
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 23: because I've got to respect their privacy, but I can

1097
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 23: say with absolute certainty this is an isolated incident.

1098
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: But it sounds like you didn't have any other embryos,

1099
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: because isn't that how it works? You Like, you turn up,

1100
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: you get your little gown on, and then the embryo

1101
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: is fawed on the spot, isn't it? So if you

1102
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: couldn't find the.

1103
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 23: One there, I'm not going to comment. I'm sorry, but

1104
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 23: I'm not going to comment on this.

1105
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: Did you do, Andrew? How did you compensate the family?

1106
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 23: So again, that's a private matter between us and the

1107
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 23: affected couple. But I can speak in general terms that

1108
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 23: if we ever have an issue where there is a

1109
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 23: problem that results in a patient's treatment, we would normally

1110
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 23: offer replacement treatment to try and get them back to

1111
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 23: where they should be. But as I say, I can't

1112
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 23: comment on the specifics of the particular family affected here.

1113
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 23: So if I has to say, of course, we obviously

1114
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 23: apologized unreservedly. I mean, IVS a complex process. It's emotionally charged.

1115
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 23: We live this every day, you know, with the patients

1116
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 23: we look after and we are absolutely devastated for them,

1117
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 23: and you know we've apologized unreservedly.

1118
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine now if you can't be sure,

1119
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: if you can't be sure what happened, how can you

1120
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: be sure you didn't pop it in someone else.

1121
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 23: Well, we have a really robust system to ensure that

1122
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 23: doesn't happen. So, to begin with, we have double human

1123
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 23: witnessing every time we move embryos from one place to

1124
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 23: the next, and that's since twenty twenty four, being backed

1125
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 23: up by electronic witnessing as well, with RFID tags attached

1126
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 23: to containers the embryos are in. We've audited every single

1127
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 23: movement in the time period in question, and there have

1128
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 23: been no other discrepancies found. So we're absolutely confident that

1129
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 23: we're not dealing with a situation where an embryo has

1130
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 23: ended up in the wrong patient.

1131
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: How much did it suck sending out that email today,

1132
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie.

1133
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 23: It was a tough thing to do. But our approach

1134
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 23: to this is to be open and honest with our patients.

1135
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 23: We want to reassure our existing patients and your listeners

1136
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 23: that our processes are robust. You know, every year we

1137
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 23: would perform about seven thousand egotribles or embryo transfers. There

1138
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 23: are a lot of moving parts in this and so

1139
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 23: we want to make sure that to reassure our patients

1140
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 23: that this was an isolated incident. And that's the way

1141
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 23: why we took the decision to reassure our other patients

1142
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 23: to yeah, all.

1143
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: Right, hey, thank you Andrew, appreciate your time. Best of

1144
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: Luckily that doctor Andrew Murray, Fertility Associate's Chief Medical Officer,

1145
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: nineteen away from Sex the.

1146
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name you

1147
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: can trust locally and globally.

1148
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 2: On the huddle of this this evening. Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute,

1149
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings in Q and A, Hi,

1150
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 2: you two, have either of you been following the similar

1151
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: things that have been happening in Australia with Monash over there.

1152
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 6: It's news to me.

1153
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so same same thing. I mean, so I was

1154
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: going to ask you what you guys, what do you guys?

1155
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: Reckon would have happened here, but the same thing has

1156
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: happened over in Australia, a couple of incidents. It got

1157
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: a bit worse in Australia, but over there they had

1158
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: to pay out millions, millions of dollars to the families

1159
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: that are affected. So you want to take a punt, Tim,

1160
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: do you reckon? Money's been paid here?

1161
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 6: Oh, money would have been paid, but it's not going

1162
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 6: to replace this immense tragedy for the family, and I

1163
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 6: mean for the mom and dad. This is a unique

1164
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 6: human life we're talking about, and you know, the whole

1165
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 6: business that we're talking about as well. It is based

1166
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 6: on the longing of people to become parents. And that's

1167
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 6: because parenting is the best job in the world. And

1168
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 6: as a wise man once told me, what you feel

1169
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 6: for your kids is actually more than love. It's it's

1170
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 6: it's beyond that.

1171
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: Are in Jack time when he got a weird on us, No,

1172
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: that's Jack. Wasn't that Jack time? Wasn't that Jack?

1173
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: Well?

1174
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 6: Actually that was that was that? That was Jack? But

1175
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 6: it's true, that's so true.

1176
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: That's hear.

1177
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,959
Speaker 6: What's wrong with that? That's Heather. There are these things

1178
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 6: called feelings that we're allowed to express in public. It's

1179
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 6: not bad to get into it.

1180
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 5: I reckon, hither, I mean, Tim's totally right. There is

1181
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 5: a human tragedy at the middle of this, and obviously

1182
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 5: we don't know what happened to the family, and we

1183
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 5: just hope that the fertility unity has improved since this incident.

1184
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 5: So it just terrible, terrible. I mean, imagine being there

1185
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 5: on the day and getting this news. I mean, just

1186
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 5: it's impossible to kind of imagine it.

1187
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: Really.

1188
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 5: I have to say good on Fertility Associates for fronting

1189
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 5: it like they.

1190
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: Had they had to, family would have been hitting.

1191
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 5: But there's probably a crisis PRS and it's been doing

1192
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 5: some serious business. But you know what that being said,

1193
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 5: good on them for for I mean, he didn't have

1194
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 5: to do an interview with you tonight.

1195
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: He did that.

1196
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 5: I think it's the right call, and I mean one

1197
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 5: only hopes that this doesn't have to again. I still

1198
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 5: think that pertin in question though, where did the MBO

1199
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 5: go is kind of critical, Like we know where they

1200
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 5: didn't go. We know apparently they weren't discarded, But I

1201
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 5: mean it's not like you're just going to lose them

1202
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 5: down at the back of the couch or something, right, No,

1203
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 5: that is still very computing.

1204
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: Definitely, a lot of parents who've been at Facility Associates

1205
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: will probably and you know, fall and pregnant last year

1206
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: might go back and look at their babies today and

1207
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: be like, definitely mine, definitely mine. Yeah. Now, listen, how

1208
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: do you feel some about this crackdown on the asylum seeker.

1209
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think there's some there's this seems to

1210
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 6: be there's some good there's some good things happening here

1211
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 6: in the sense, you know, we are talking about those

1212
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 6: people as asylum seekers who had committed serious crimes. And

1213
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 6: I heard what I've heard your interview with the lawyer

1214
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 6: at the top of the hour, and I hear the

1215
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 6: thing about the international conventions. But I also yeah, I'm

1216
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 6: really torn about the fact that that person's going to

1217
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 6: be staying here.

1218
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: Now, come on to put them if they've killed somebody

1219
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: in this country, get rid of them.

1220
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 6: Well, well, I see the importance of international conventions, but

1221
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 6: in this case, I think, yeah, we should, we should

1222
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 6: send them home. And I think I think it's important

1223
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 6: to have rigorous processes because when at least, like for example,

1224
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 6: in the UK post brecksit loosened up and then suddenly

1225
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 6: you've got all of these discontents and these these terrible

1226
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 6: things happening, and then they swing the other way. So

1227
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 6: I think this is actually inserting rigorousness. Now we're actually

1228
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 6: we're not We're not that soft. We're sort of in

1229
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 6: between your you know, your Sweden's and your Australia's. We're

1230
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 6: sort of in the middle of the moment. But we

1231
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 6: need to be we need to be as a bit

1232
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 6: more rigorous.

1233
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I think so too, Jack. I want you'll take

1234
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: on it after the break quarter two.

1235
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

1236
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: truly global brand.

1237
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: Right, we're back of the huddle, Jack, Tam Tim Wilson. Right, Jack,

1238
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: what do you think?

1239
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: Okay?

1240
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 5: I think if you have committed a serious event in

1241
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 5: New Zealand, then it's biggest belief that we shouldn't be

1242
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 5: able to deport someone. What I'm hoping you can help

1243
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 5: me with, Heather, is the chronology of these events. So

1244
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 5: with this murdering incident, is the suggestion that the person

1245
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 5: has only applied for asylum after being convicted of murder. No,

1246
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 5: I don't think with the kind of loophole.

1247
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we're sure of that. I think

1248
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: what it is is the murder has happened before the

1249
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: officials have made the decision about refugee status, so we

1250
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: don't know whether it happens before the asylum or you know,

1251
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: or if they come here as an asylum seeker and

1252
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: then go and kill somebody mediate, right.

1253
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 5: The biggest concern I would have is that if someone

1254
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 5: is convicted of a crime and then says, oh, hang on,

1255
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 5: is a loophole here that might allow me to stop

1256
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 5: from being deported and that's like famous after being convicted.

1257
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon, that would do it.

1258
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not saying yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean

1259
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 5: that would be the biggest concern for me in MS,

1260
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 5: in terms of in terms of the process. The one

1261
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 5: caveat I would would offer is that I think New

1262
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 5: Zealand sometimes hasn't actually pulled its weight in helping people

1263
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 5: from some of the most some of the you know,

1264
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 5: most despotic parts of the world where and I think

1265
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 5: that if you were sending a relatively low level criminal

1266
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 5: back to a country where they were just going to

1267
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 5: get up to even worse, and basically you were burdening

1268
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 5: and already a country that was already doing it tough

1269
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 5: with someone who was only going to make things worse.

1270
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 5: And I would suggest that maybe New Zealand has a

1271
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 5: bit of a moral obligation to help out more, but

1272
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 5: a murderer.

1273
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems crazy.

1274
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: Where haven't we helped out enough?

1275
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 5: I think for a long time we didn't taken our

1276
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 5: an appropriate share of refugees. I think New Zealand could

1277
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 5: have done a lot more just.

1278
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: Across the board. All right, does we are?

1279
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 22: Lord?

1280
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: Why do I even want to know what you think

1281
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: about m Z twenty?

1282
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 6: Well, come on here that no one loves that sport

1283
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 6: like I do.

1284
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: I've got a solution here.

1285
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 6: Okay, Miles Hurrell's at a bit of a loose end.

1286
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 6: We get them in to run cricket, rugby and netball.

1287
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 6: It's the Triumvirate. He's going to sort the whole lot

1288
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 6: of them out. It's going to be a fantastic gig. Look,

1289
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 6: I can hear the argument for the T twenty. I

1290
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 6: don't know if it's going to wash its own face

1291
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 6: business wise, because cricket's a slow game and the broadcasting

1292
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 6: side of the sort of the same level. Rugby is struggling.

1293
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 6: So yes, I want guys like Darryl Mitchell in the

1294
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 6: country and Ravendra of course, but does it actually add

1295
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 6: up and I wonder if this is why they're taking

1296
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 6: their time to figure it out.

1297
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what, Tim, You did not embarrass

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Speaker 2: yourself and I loved Miles, but I loved you Miles

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Speaker 2: hrrol idea. Actually that's not stupid from you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Jack.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think it's pretty straightforward. I think the market's spoken.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's the idea of not having the T

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Speaker 5: twenty is to keep the best players in New Zealand

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Speaker 5: and New Zealand so we can see them. Well, you're

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Speaker 5: not going to achieve that if you don't have this competition,

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Speaker 5: because the likes of Down, Mitchell and Ratch and Revender

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Speaker 5: are going to go and play over seas. I think

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Speaker 5: the market's spoken, and I'm sorry. I'm I'm an absolute

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Speaker 5: cricket tragic. I love cricket.

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Speaker 6: It's my favorite sport.

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Speaker 3: My Miles.

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Speaker 5: I think it's beautiful. I think it's poetry. But I

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Speaker 5: think that the cricketing world is changing at incredible speed

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Speaker 5: and that we risk being left behind. I think that

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Speaker 5: the tragic's like me can love our test cricket earlier

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Speaker 5: in the season, but I'm sorry, it's this gun for

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Speaker 5: higher T twenty stuff that's taking over the world and

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Speaker 5: we better get on board before we get there.

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Speaker 2: Fine, oh well, said Jack, apart from the bit where

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Speaker 2: you've got a bit weird again on us.

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Speaker 5: Look you if you asked me to choose between my

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Speaker 5: love for parenting and my love for test cricket, I'll

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Speaker 5: tell you what. It's a bit of a situation here.

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Speaker 3: Outrageous. Poor boy.

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Speaker 6: I know where he's going to be down at the oval,

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Speaker 6: whether he likes it or not. It'll be the kid

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Speaker 6: weeping and sobbing.

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Speaker 2: Now listen to him really quickly. It's arbitrait for me

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Speaker 2: on this. Okay. Is it okay to offer lollies to

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Speaker 2: kids as incentives for good behavior?

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Speaker 6: Completely? Okay? So we're yacking about this at work, and

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Speaker 6: one of my colleagues piped up and said, yeah, in

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Speaker 6: year five we were bribed by sweets, and there were sweets.

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Speaker 6: We were talking about free sweets. It's like one fruit loop.

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Speaker 6: What will you do to in one fruit loop? Okay?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely delightful, angelic. The next year, no sweets, complete terrorsts,

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Speaker 6: absolute terrorsts. So and look, here's the deal. If the

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Speaker 6: kid's got a bad diet at home, lollies at skill's

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Speaker 6: not going to wreck it. If they've got a good

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Speaker 6: diet at home, then lolli's at skill's not going to

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Speaker 6: wreck it.

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Speaker 5: Yep, to write Jack, Yeah, I agree. I just think

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Speaker 5: of all the things that we need to be concerned about,

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Speaker 5: this is so far from the top of the list.

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Speaker 5: And I remember, I mean we all react to incentives, right,

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Speaker 5: It's an important economics system for kids as well. I

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Speaker 5: once upon a time was a primary school DJ as

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Speaker 5: a part time job.

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Speaker 10: When I was about this year. Yeah, for the school

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Speaker 10: je and I'll tell you.

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Speaker 5: What those kids would dance for ninety minutes straight on

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Speaker 5: the vague hope of winning half a can of coke

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Speaker 5: or something like that. Kids will do anything for sugars.

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Speaker 5: I reckon, that's what you need, That's what you need.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. And then after our you know,

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Speaker 2: I just know the boss. The boss will just dropped

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Speaker 2: off a bag of chocolates and we've eaten them already.

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Speaker 2: So sorry none for you, Tim will say, And it

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Speaker 2: was an incentive that wasn't Actually there's a story that

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you later, Jack Tame Tim Wilson. Our huddles

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Speaker 2: seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather duper see allan drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 2: Hither. You also don't know what worry is until you

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Speaker 2: have a kid. This is I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: mums have found out. You don't know what actual anxiety

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Speaker 2: is until you have a child. Now, I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what so on I've told you before I did the IVF.

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Speaker 2: We did the IVF not because there were fertility issues,

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Speaker 2: but just because you know, like there's only so long

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Speaker 2: after averseectomy that you can actually eventually you just can't

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Speaker 2: even reverse the thing and you just have to go

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Speaker 2: surgical anyway. Anyway, I feel terrible for this family. I

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Speaker 2: got the email at eight minutes past leven where they

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Speaker 2: send it out to all their customers and their clients.

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Speaker 2: This is fertility as I feel terrible for this family

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Speaker 2: because unless you do the IVF, I think you probably

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Speaker 2: don't realize just what an absolute fath it is. And

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Speaker 2: just how like that woman to go in and find

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Speaker 2: out that her embryo isn't there. She has been doing

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Speaker 2: all kinds of weird stuff to her body for like

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Speaker 2: god knows how long, because you got to stick things

1384
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: in yourself and you got to like, oh, it's such

1385
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: a kerfuffle and you're feeling yuck. You go in and

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Speaker 2: put the umber and now you haven't got it, and

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Speaker 2: you know you've only got a limited number of embryos,

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Speaker 2: and like, I'll give you an I hope my friend

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Speaker 2: doesn't mind this. I'll find out later, I hope not.

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Speaker 2: I text a friend of mine to say, hey, do

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Speaker 2: you want to catch up this weekend. She sent me

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Speaker 2: a message today she said, I just had an air

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Speaker 2: collection today. I'm not feeling that great. It was rough,

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Speaker 2: lots of pain, lots of codine, not a lot of

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Speaker 2: eggs retrieved. So it's quite like it's a mental muck

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Speaker 2: around and it's a physical muck around for women. And

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Speaker 2: so yeah, like best case scenario for this woman, she's

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Speaker 2: got other embryos, probably doesn't by the sounds of things.

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Speaker 2: Now she's got to go through this whole thing again,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to be really rough. Anyway, If I

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Speaker 2: have to give credit to somebody, and I do, it

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Speaker 2: would be whoever fertility associates PR people are. You want

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Speaker 2: to get those guys, because this is exactly how you

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Speaker 2: handle this kind of thing. You front foot, you announce

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: it to the media. You don't wait for it to leak.

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01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: You come and you do the interviews, you answer the

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Speaker 2: questions for the best of your abilities. You're not hiding anything,

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Speaker 2: and no one's going to hold it against them. It's

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Speaker 2: just it looks like it's just a mistake. Listen really

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Speaker 2: quickly on the inflation number. I remember how Nikola will

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Speaker 2: have said to us, worst case scenario inflation peaks at

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Speaker 2: three point seven percent. Did you do the thing that

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Speaker 2: we did? We all did the thing. We went, Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's not that bad, could live with that. Well, Cameron

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Speaker 2: Bagriy goes, yeah, it's probably not a real number. He's

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Speaker 2: with us next.

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Speaker 22: I haven't you keeping track of where the money is flowing?

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Speaker 1: With the business hour, with head the duperic out and

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Speaker 1: MAS insurance and investments.

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Speaker 3: Your future is in good hands. Ustorg zby.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour, it turns out

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Speaker 2: that the officials didn't want the government to let farmers

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Speaker 2: use key. We save it to buy land. We'll have

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Speaker 2: a chat to janetib Cheriny about it. We're going to

1425
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: check in with Moulfit Asset Management on how our markets

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Speaker 2: responding to the Iran crisis. And Gavin Gray will be

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Speaker 2: with us out of the UK seven past six. Now,

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Speaker 2: if Nikola Willis's worst case scenario of three point seven

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Speaker 2: percent inflation as a result of the Iran wall didn't

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Speaker 2: sound that bad to you, it didn't sound that bad

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Speaker 2: to economist Cameron Bagriy either, who isn't so sure that

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Speaker 2: that is necessarily the worst case scenario, and he's with us.

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Speaker 2: I can oh good, ving right, what do you think

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Speaker 2: is the worst case scenario?

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Speaker 11: I wouldn't put a worst case scenario on it, because

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Speaker 11: who really has any idea how high or prices are

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Speaker 11: going to go or how long this tension, the situation

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Speaker 11: in regard to hu moves is going to last. All

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Speaker 11: I put out there is it? Three point seven seems

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Speaker 11: like a baseline number to me. You know, I note

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Speaker 11: that A and Z's come out and they now expect

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Speaker 11: inflation to to three point six bean z Ed's.

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Speaker 13: Three point eight.

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Speaker 11: You know there will be a risk profile around that,

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Speaker 11: both up and down, a higher than lower. So the

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Speaker 11: three point seven seemed like a mid range number as

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Speaker 11: opposed to the worst possible outcome to me, I.

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Speaker 2: See what you say. You also say in your piece,

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Speaker 2: if you wanted worst case scenario numbers start by doubling

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Speaker 2: three point seven. But that is just throwing an arbitrary

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Speaker 2: number around. But are you suggesting we should be looking

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Speaker 2: more at seven point something.

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Speaker 13: No, I wouldn't say looking at it, yeah, because these

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Speaker 13: are these are just scenarios, and scenarios have got different probabilities.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, the worst possible.

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Speaker 11: Outcome might have a probability a lot. I don't know,

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Speaker 11: anything up to five percent. So bad event but with

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Speaker 11: a low probability, but it will still have a positive probability.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and it's a.

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Speaker 11: Possibility as opposed to a probability. So look, I just

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Speaker 11: look at the COVID shot. You know what a COVID

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Speaker 11: shot deliver a number up around seven percent. Higher numbers

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Speaker 11: and other sort of jurisdictions around the globe see can

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Speaker 11: probably take some sort of guidance from that. You can

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Speaker 11: do ready written as in regard to of oil prices

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Speaker 11: get up one hundred and fifty bucks a barrel and

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Speaker 11: they stay the ef an anlongated sort of period. But

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Speaker 11: the I think the biggest thing here is are we

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Speaker 11: going to start to see some second round effects? Because

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Speaker 11: if you look at the primary channel, fuel prices go

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Speaker 11: up and people tend to focus on petrol and people's

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Speaker 11: got a three point five percent weight and the CPI,

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Speaker 11: so you get thirty percent jump and petrol, which is

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Speaker 11: what we're sort of Yeah, it looks like we're going

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Speaker 11: to see you get one percentage points to inflation. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: so that probably gives you the three point seven number

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Speaker 11: that yeah, Trees is put on the table. But because

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Speaker 11: we can see more diesel than petrol, and diesel flows

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Speaker 11: into what's called producer price inflation.

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Speaker 13: That's what producers face. And if producers costs.

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Speaker 11: Are up I transport costs, were they going to pass

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Speaker 11: those price increases on? You pass those prices increases on

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Speaker 11: are getting good to the supermarkets, So then you start

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Speaker 11: to see supermarket.

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Speaker 13: Inflation start to start to rise. YEA.

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Speaker 11: So it's those secondary channels that I'm not quite sure

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Speaker 11: that Trees RETI taken sufficiently into account. There's a lot

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Speaker 11: of pressure out there on businesses in regard to margins,

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Speaker 11: and margins drive profitability, and the margins have become under pressure.

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Speaker 11: I just got a sneaking suspicion if they've got a

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Speaker 11: reason to push up prices under the guise of what's

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Speaker 11: going on in her moves around the globe, firms are

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Speaker 11: going to use that excuse and try to jam through

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Speaker 11: some price rises.

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Speaker 13: We've seen it before.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that this? Okay? So if you

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Speaker 2: if you're thinking three point seven is maybe the baseline,

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Speaker 2: then then what are you anticipating this does to our GDP?

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Speaker 11: Well, the good news is that the economy is actually

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Speaker 11: we're out of recession. We've got reason momentum, and that's

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Speaker 11: important because if you're on your knees, you can get

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Speaker 11: knocked around an awful lot more than if you've got momentum. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: you and we are on a steady path get back

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Speaker 11: to what we call sort of nomality, but we're still

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Speaker 11: coming out of a bit of an economic sort of hole. Well,

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Speaker 11: once again, this comes down to the intensity of the shop,

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Speaker 11: how long, how prolonged it is going to sort of

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Speaker 11: be here. You can put helter skelter sort of your

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Speaker 11: scenarios out there. What say we start to see resting it,

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Speaker 11: I mean, you start to see resting and then you

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01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 11: start to see COVID style types of economic consequences out there.

1512
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 11: And now we hope you don't go down that route.

1513
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 11: But the longer this disruption takes place, the further we

1514
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 11: rest running down our all surprise and what we had

1515
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 11: the moment about forty nine days on land plus on water.

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 13: We'll see where things standing about another week.

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01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: Cam. It's always good to talk to you. I appreciate it, mate,

1518
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 2: This Cameron Baggery, Independent Economists, eleven past six. He honestly

1519
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: could Chris Luxon's trip get any worse? He's just done

1520
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 2: an interview on one News with a fly on his head.

1521
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: I shouldn't laugh, but surely to God, surely to God,

1522
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 2: somebody could have been like, stop, just wave that guy away.

1523
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: Nobody wants because you know what that is, there's our

1524
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 2: own flies. No, I'm not even gonna I'm not even

1525
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 2: gonna finish that thought for you, because it's not fair.

1526
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 2: It's not his career and his time as a politician

1527
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: and the Prime minister of this country is not a

1528
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: rotting corpse. That's where I was going to go with them.

1529
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: I don't think moving on. Poor bugger honestly a bloody

1530
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: fly that the business with the Australian duo. I need

1531
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: to give you an update on this because it is

1532
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: it has gone next level this morning. It kind of

1533
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 2: there were signs that was going to happen last night,

1534
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: but it has this this this morning. The company that

1535
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: employs Kyle Sandalan's and WATS Jackie oh Henderson has released

1536
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,560
Speaker 2: a note to the Australian Stock Exchange this morning and

1537
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: when it went seven thirty their time to the AX

1538
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 2: saying they fired him. Kyle Sandalan's is gone, the bloke

1539
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: and the duo is gone. He is not accepting this

1540
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 2: though he has said well, he's literally said I don't

1541
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: accept it, and then he said he reckons that arn.

1542
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: The company has used the spat between him and his

1543
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 2: co host to try to get out of the contract,

1544
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: which is clearly what is what's going on here. He's

1545
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: accused the company of deliberately sabotaging negotiations and he wants

1546
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: to stick with this contrent because of course he does,

1547
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 2: because it sees him through to twenty thirty four and

1548
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 2: it's worth one hundred million dollars just to him. Anyway,

1549
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: he is going legal. He has sent it to his

1550
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: lawyers because of course he has. So this is going

1551
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: to be fascinating if you're interested in, you know, contracts

1552
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: and what is going on in the media, just the

1553
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,480
Speaker 2: just the whole that whole thing and egos and personalities

1554
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: and crazy stuff. Keeping on this because I think this

1555
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: is going to go really interesting. Thirteen plus six It's the.

1556
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,000
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1557
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: empowered by Newstalks EDB. Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

1558
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with MAS

1559
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: Insurance and Investments. Your futures in good hands, Newstalks EDB listener.

1560
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 2: In Australia, Albanize's called a national cabinet meeting for tomorrow

1561
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: over there to address the fuel shortage. Feares obviously telling

1562
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 2: you that the gas station has been running out in

1563
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: rural Wa. So he's going to meet with the state

1564
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: and territory leaders tomorrow and this is across the country.

1565
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: Says he might take further action in coming days to

1566
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 2: shield the country from global disruptions. So keep an eye

1567
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: on that, and of course we'll have Murray Olds with

1568
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: us tomorrow to give us all the details. Seventeen past

1569
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: six Michael Luke, Milford Asset Management is with us. High Michael, So,

1570
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: how's our share market faring? You know with the sarund war.

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01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 24: So the New Zealand share market's down about three percent

1572
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 24: so far this month, you know, with the Iron conflict

1573
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 24: and straight of Hamu's disruption, it's fair to say it

1574
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,759
Speaker 24: is really weighing on sentiment and hitting our share market

1575
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 24: in a few different ways. Firstly, there's the direct impact

1576
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 24: of higher oil and higher fuel prices, as well as

1577
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 24: some of the unsetenty around fuel supply. Then you have

1578
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 24: the indirect effects flowing through the economy, such as higher

1579
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 24: inflation risk, the potential impact on interest rates, and I

1580
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 24: think general confidence taking a bit of a hit. So

1581
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 24: our share market is trying to price all that in

1582
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 24: right now.

1583
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: Obviously there will be some companies that are more directly

1584
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 2: impacted by the higher fuel prices than others, right.

1585
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 24: Yeah, So it's really those travel and transport companies that

1586
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 24: have been hit the hardest. As you'd expect now in

1587
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 24: New Zealand's share price has fallen about twenty percent so

1588
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 24: far this month, and they're one of the companies likely

1589
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 24: most exposed now. While they have largely hedged their oil

1590
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 24: price exposure, they are not hedged to the crack spread,

1591
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 24: or basically the cost that to an oil into jet fuel,

1592
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 24: which has risen significantly now the price of jet fuel

1593
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 24: is actually roughly doubled this year. While the company in

1594
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 24: New Zealand, while they've reduced some flights and increase fares,

1595
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 24: this will likely have a greater impact in the short

1596
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 24: term if the companies suspending their earnings guidance. If you

1597
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 24: look at other travel companies like Aukland Airport now their

1598
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 24: share prices are down about eight percent this month. They

1599
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 24: will have some impact from in New Zealand cutting back

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01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 24: on some flights, but the bigger impact for Aukland Airport

1601
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 24: would be if there's a bigger softening I guess in

1602
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 24: demand for international travel in this environment. And then if

1603
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 24: you go look at some of our transport companies like

1604
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 24: Freightways which owns New Zone couriers. Now there's year prices

1605
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 24: down about seven percent this month. Actually, transport companies like Freightways,

1606
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,440
Speaker 24: they generally have a type of fuel seer charge mechanisms

1607
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 24: so they can pass that through. But I guess if

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01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 24: you end up with higher prices that could impact demand. Now,

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01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 24: I think the real impact will really be those companies

1610
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 24: that are being hit by these high fuel prices that

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01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 24: don't have the ability to pass that on due to

1612
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 24: fixed prices or some other mechanism.

1613
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: And what do you think of the broader implications for

1614
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 2: the economy.

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01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 24: So I think there are a few things i'd highlight. First,

1616
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 24: there's really the impact on inflation and interest rates. So

1617
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 24: if oil prices do stay elevated, that would create inflationary

1618
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 24: pressure as oil ultimately feeds into the price of everything. Now,

1619
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 24: that could put up upwards pressure on interest rates over time.

1620
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 24: And we've actually already seen some of this price then

1621
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 24: with New Zealand wholesale interest rates and crew over the month,

1622
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 24: and that saw a couple of the banks increase mortgagerates today.

1623
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 24: The second thing at highlight is just the impact on

1624
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 24: consumer sentiment. Now with increase in fuel prices, consumers might

1625
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 24: have to watch their spending or lot to cut back elsewhere.

1626
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 24: And I think it's fair to say it's been a

1627
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 24: tough few years for the New Zealand economy and we've

1628
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 24: only just started to see some signs of improvement. But

1629
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 24: if you have kind of weaker confidence and higher inflation fares,

1630
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 24: there is a rest that temper is that slightly the

1631
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 24: I guess, you know. Putting it all together, I think

1632
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 24: the overall impact on our economy and global share markets

1633
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 24: will ultimately come down to how long it takes for

1634
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 24: this conflict to be resolved and how long it takes

1635
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 24: for the strait to reopen. If this is short and

1636
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 24: the earnings impact for most of our companies would actually

1637
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 24: be quite small, but if it becomes extended, it becomes

1638
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 24: a larger risk.

1639
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Michael, thank you. That's fascinating. I really appreciate

1640
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: It's Michael Luke Milford Asset Management. Here the Robbie Williams

1641
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 2: is not Brit pop. Here's a chubby kid from boy

1642
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: band Brit Popper, wonderful bands like The Verve Suede, Oasis

1643
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 2: and the Charlatans. Nick I would agree. Look, no one's

1644
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 2: arguing that he's Brit pop. I think his album is

1645
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,879
Speaker 2: called brick Pop, but he's not brick pop obviously.

1646
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 13: But listen.

1647
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: His announcement that he's touring New Zealand, who he's gonna

1648
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: come to Auckland and christ Church has sparked something of

1649
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 2: a debate about whether it's a good idea for us

1650
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: to have spent government money on bringing him here, because

1651
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 2: of course this is Louise Upston's money, the seventy million

1652
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 2: dollars she's got in the major events and tourism package

1653
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: and is it wise to use that money to get

1654
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 2: somebody like Robbie over here when Robbie would have come

1655
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: Probably anyway, they say, because Robbi's been here a thousand

1656
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: million times. Anyway, I would say, yes, this is a

1657
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 2: good use of the money. It's at least a better

1658
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 2: use of the money than bringing Lincoln Park to New Zealand.

1659
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 2: They're playing tonight. Remember they were a big announcement Lincoln

1660
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 2: Park's come.

1661
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 3: Whoo.

1662
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: Robbie's better because Robbie is an actual world class Actually,

1663
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: I mean Lincoln Park is too, but Robbie is a big,

1664
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: big deal. At his height, he was a burg deal

1665
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: and he has stayed a bigger deal longer than Lincoln Park.

1666
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 2: And he's playing at Eden Park and also in christ Church, right,

1667
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: I guess a proper stadium event. Lincoln Park is a

1668
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 2: tribute band playing at Spark Arena six twenty two.

1669
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1670
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with and the Duple cl and

1671
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 1: MAS Insurance.

1672
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 3: And investments, Your futures in good hands, US talks V.

1673
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 2: I got a little update for you on that car

1674
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: crash that the car chase through Auckland yesterday turns out

1675
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: that the guys in the car for teenagers aged fifteen

1676
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 2: to seventeen. They've been charged with aggravated burglary and the

1677
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: driver's been charged with assaulting a person with a blunt

1678
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: instrument and also failing to stop. So there you go.

1679
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 2: We're a bunch of I'm not I'm just going to

1680
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: sound like I'm casting aspersions on us, and I'm not.

1681
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 2: But we are a bunch of curtain twitches. Because Richie

1682
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 2: and Jenna mccau's house is going to auction, so it's

1683
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: been up on one roof and it, you know, people

1684
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: have it's been like, you know, you can, how can

1685
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 2: I say this? You can? It's so you can go through.

1686
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 2: You can look at the listing. You can imagine, you

1687
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: can just visually imagine Richie sitting at that table, Jenna's

1688
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: standing at the kitchen, meters that who kind of thing.

1689
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 2: And as a result, it has been viewed. It has

1690
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: been the most viewed listing on one roof by a

1691
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 2: wide margin, because of course it has. Now I'm not

1692
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: issuing any judgment here because I looked at I spent

1693
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm not even in the market in christ Church, of

1694
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: course not. But I spent a long time looking at

1695
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 2: that house. That's a good house, by the way, but

1696
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 2: most of the interest coming from buyers is coming from Auckland.

1697
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: They're not buyers if why just sticky becks like me.

1698
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 2: Very nice house. It's in Fendleton. It's got an in

1699
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: ground pool, it's got a basketball hoop. It's been designed

1700
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: by David Shepard. Was built twelve years ago. Award winning

1701
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 2: interior designer in Grid Galdoff designed the kitchen with dark

1702
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: cabinetry complementing the white kitchen bench has a hidden butler's

1703
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 2: pantry because that is a life changer. It is set

1704
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: on a rear section of one forty seven square meters.

1705
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 2: They bought the luxury four bedroom two bucks from Home

1706
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one for three point twenty five million,

1707
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: and they're selling it so they can move to Warnaca

1708
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: or have already moved to Monica. So it's everything you

1709
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: need to know. But go have a look if you

1710
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 2: want to drive those numbers up. So nothing can ever

1711
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 2: beat it again. Six twenty six.

1712
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: There's no business like show business.

1713
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 2: Timmy Chalomaye may have lost the oscar, but his next

1714
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 2: blockbuster is ride around the corner. So this is the

1715
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 2: first trailer for the third installment of the Dune franchise,

1716
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: which has dropped today. It's called Dune Messiah, and it

1717
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 2: promises a pretty epic conclusion to the to the trilogy.

1718
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 3: Right, fight.

1719
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 16: Your enemies, flight Back?

1720
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 3: How did Father do it? Your father never started a lot?

1721
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 2: Now, this movie has an excellent cast, obviously, Timothy Chalo

1722
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: Mays and it's Zindia in it. Robert Pattinson's in it,

1723
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: Florence Pugh, Rebecca Ferguson, Josh Brolin. That's just a name

1724
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: a few. Now. The problem here is the movie is

1725
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: scheduled to drop on exactly the same day as the

1726
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: new Avengers Doomsday movie, and the double features already got

1727
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: a name. It's being dubbed Dune's Day. That will be

1728
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,839
Speaker 2: December the eighteenth this year. So if you're enter these films,

1729
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: put that one in your diary. You're gonna have a

1730
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: busy day. While Avengers is definitely gonna win at the

1731
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 2: box office, the people who know things say this, it's

1732
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: gonna win at the box office, but Warner Brothers are

1733
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,440
Speaker 2: hoping that the final Dune installment will dominate next year's Oscars,

1734
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: and maybe old mate Timmy will get another chance if

1735
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,839
Speaker 2: he can just not say anything about you know, ballet

1736
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 2: and opera. Between now and then, it's a long time

1737
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: to go. Basically three hundred and sixty three days now.

1738
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to janetib Cherney next because we've

1739
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 2: got another case of the officials VI the government. So

1740
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 2: the officials said, listen, don't let the farmers have a

1741
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: crack at the key, we saver, But the government did

1742
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 2: that anyway, they were being lobbied. So who made the

1743
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 2: right call. We'll find out from her. She's with us next.

1744
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

1745
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: with Heather, the Duper c Allen and Mass Insurance and investments.

1746
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands, used talks EDB.

1747
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 22: So I can't fail you, solok.

1748
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 2: But if you're wondering why there's so much for Lincoln

1749
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: Park on the show, and frankly there is a lot

1750
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 2: of Lincoln Park on the show today, it's because the

1751
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: boys of this team are very excited that they're all

1752
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: going to Lincoln Park tonight, and so they're trying to

1753
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 2: rub it in that they go in and I'm not going,

1754
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 2: and you're not going unless of course you are going,

1755
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: in which case I hope you have a lovely time.

1756
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is going to be with us in ten

1757
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 2: minut time. It's twenty four away from seven now. The

1758
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 2: loosening of the rules around withdrawals from Kiwi Saver actually

1759
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: went against official advice, which we are aware of. The

1760
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 2: New Zealand Herald Wellington Business editor Jay chib Schraney let

1761
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: me try that again. Genatibschrainey has found that MB opposed

1762
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 2: the government's proposal. Farmers though lobbied hard for the change

1763
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: in Gina's with us. Now, Hi do you name hi Heather?

1764
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 2: Have the officials got a point?

1765
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 21: I think they do.

1766
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 25: Basically, the government recently announced that it would loosen the

1767
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 25: rules around who can take money out of their KEYI Saver.

1768
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 25: So under the new rules when they come into force,

1769
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 25: you can withdraw money if you are buying a first

1770
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,839
Speaker 25: home on farmland. So currently if you take out money

1771
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 25: you have to do that as an individual. What they're

1772
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 25: saying is is that if you're wanting to buy farmland

1773
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 25: and you are a shareholder in a company or you

1774
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 25: have a trust, you can do it through those sorts

1775
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 25: of vehicles. It's kind of like taking money out of

1776
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 25: your key we sabor to buy a business that you

1777
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 25: might be able to compare it to that. They're also

1778
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 25: saying you can take money out if you want to

1779
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 25: buy a house that you don't live in because you

1780
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 25: have to live somewhere else for work, and your work

1781
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 25: pays for you to live somewhere else. So that's you know,

1782
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,799
Speaker 25: if you're a rural work or if you're a diplomat

1783
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 25: or in defense force or something like that. So the

1784
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 25: thing is is that you know MB makes this key

1785
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 25: point that the point of care we save it is

1786
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 25: to help you save for your retirement. It's meant to

1787
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 25: be really simple, easy to use, and it's impossible to

1788
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 25: create a scheme that sort of caters to every type

1789
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 25: of person and all their circumstances. The problem is when

1790
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 25: you start making all these exemptions, you know it can

1791
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 25: be unfair. So I might say, well, I want to

1792
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 25: buy a house somewhere else, but I live in Wellington,

1793
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 25: and why can't I do that? I have to live

1794
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 25: in Wellington for my job. You know, I think it's unfair.

1795
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 25: Or you know, I want to take my money out

1796
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 25: to buy a business, and just because I'm not a farmer,

1797
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 25: I can't do that.

1798
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 2: So examples that makes a fair point. Do you know

1799
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 2: the hospoil example is good farmers. Farmers take the money

1800
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: out to buy a house that is attached to a farm,

1801
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: being a business HOSPO. People might want to take the

1802
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 2: money out to buy a family house that's attached to

1803
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 2: a restaurant, for example, and they can't exactly.

1804
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 25: So that is an example that that MB used. I

1805
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 25: think it's a really fair one. The other thing they

1806
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 25: say is that, you know, they didn't think there was

1807
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 25: really an issue, so they said that Federated farmers lobbied

1808
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 25: the government and they think the government acted on the

1809
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 25: back of this lobbying, and also anecdotes rather than evidence,

1810
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 25: so that's pretty scathing for MB to say. The other

1811
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 25: thing they say is well, actually, if the problem is

1812
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 25: it's difficult to buy a farm, they don't think that

1813
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 25: this is the solution to helping people into farm ownership.

1814
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 25: The average amount that people take out of their kvsavier

1815
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,759
Speaker 25: to buy a first home is forty one thousand dollars,

1816
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 25: where the average dairy farm sold in twenty twenty four

1817
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 25: was more than six million dollars. So you know, if

1818
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 25: you're trying to buy a six million dollar asset. I'm

1819
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 25: not sure how useful an extra forty thousand dollars would be.

1820
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 25: You could say, oh, well, you know, why not just

1821
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 25: let people take their kV saver out. Let them do

1822
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 25: what they want. So that's fair enough. The problem is

1823
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 25: that if the rules a tinkered with too much, there

1824
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 25: is this perception issue and people go, oh, we can't

1825
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 25: really trust the scheme because the government will keep changing

1826
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 25: the rules. So the government really needs to sort of

1827
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 25: keep its powder dry and only change the rules if

1828
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 25: the changes are you really going to help a whole

1829
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 25: lot of people, And this doesn't really meet that bar.

1830
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 2: Isn't the problem actually when you think about it, because

1831
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: now I can Now you've done it for the farmers.

1832
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 2: Now you have to do it for the hospital workers.

1833
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 2: Then you have to do it for the people who

1834
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 2: are living away from where they work. Blah blah blah

1835
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 2: blah goes on. Isn't the problem? Actually it starts worth

1836
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: being able to take money out to buy your house.

1837
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 2: There is your problem. You should never have done it

1838
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 2: in the first place.

1839
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 3: Yep.

1840
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 25: Controversial take, and I think there's a definite argument around that. Previously,

1841
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 25: the Retirement Commission made a case for why actually home

1842
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 25: ownership and so the Retirement Commission, these are the experts

1843
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 25: in this area and I think the government should listen

1844
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 25: to them. But you know that they have debated this

1845
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 25: and have said, well, actually owning a home is key

1846
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 25: to having a good risk him. So if that's the point, Actually,

1847
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 25: if you reach retirement with some money and your Kiwi

1848
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 25: saber and owning a home, then that's going to be

1849
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 25: good for you. But you know it's a fair point

1850
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 25: because people might say, well, I don't want to invest

1851
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 25: in home ownership. I want to invest in a business,

1852
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 25: So why are you letting me take it out for

1853
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 25: a house but not for this amazing business that's going

1854
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 25: to employ people? You know it It does open a

1855
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 25: can of worms, but yeah, yeah it does.

1856
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 15: You know.

1857
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 25: The issue with home ownership is we should address making

1858
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 25: it affordable to buy a home again, kiw sabers shouldn't

1859
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 25: be used to fix other problems in society like causing

1860
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 25: affordability or difficulties in farming.

1861
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 15: Do you know?

1862
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 2: Thanks very much or see you tomorrow?

1863
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 16: Do you know?

1864
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 2: To Terraine The Herald's Wellington Business editor, nineteen away from

1865
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: seven ether Douljne tomorrow because I'm going down to Wellington

1866
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 2: and Jine is going to be there. Jenna has been

1867
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: dispatched to cover this off. What it is is we're

1868
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 2: doing a thing. Ends in me is doing a thing

1869
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: where we're going to have a little We're having a

1870
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: panel and I think it's mainly for our clients, but

1871
01:27:58,360 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: I suspect it's going to be covered on the air

1872
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 2: or Sophie interested you can have a look at it,

1873
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 2: but it's going to We're gonna have the mayor there,

1874
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 2: Wellington Mayor Andrew Little brad Olsen's going to be there

1875
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: because you know, boy wonder we need an economics voice.

1876
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 2: And then we're going to the Wellington Chamber of Commis

1877
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: and we're going to discuss a whole bunch of stuff.

1878
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: You know, what's going on in Wellington? Why is Wellington

1879
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 2: so shite at the moment? What are they going to

1880
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 2: do to make it better?

1881
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 13: I think.

1882
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm very tempted to ask Andrew Little for his advice

1883
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 2: for the National Party, because Hoo was the last person

1884
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: who stepped aside at the last minute and then went

1885
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 2: on and clinched the and clinched the election for the party.

1886
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: Ologies that would be Andrew Little who is magnanimous and

1887
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 2: stood aside so Cindy could take over. And then she

1888
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 2: didn't win the election, but she got see she got

1889
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: selected by Uncle Winston, didn't she. Anyway, I'm tempted. I

1890
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 2: don't know that Andrew's going to be into that. I

1891
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 2: feel like he's going to shut me down. But she'll like,

1892
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: I'll give it a who nah, why not, We'll give

1893
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 2: it a little horne tomorrow. Get a load of this.

1894
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 2: By the way, this has got to do with speed fines,

1895
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 2: because you know that sometimes you're just like, how, how

1896
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 2: how how is anybody this? And this is a case

1897
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 2: of it. There is a street in Lower Heart called

1898
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Arrasa Street. Arata Street has a school on it. It

1899
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: had a mobile safety camera there on Sunday, November sixteen.

1900
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 2: That camera on that day issued two hundred and seventy

1901
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: nine speeding fines, which surely is quite a lot. You think,

1902
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: you think, oh, something going on here, what's going on here?

1903
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 2: Some of the people will find multiple times on the day.

1904
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: Problem was it wasn't clear to the people what the

1905
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 2: speed limit is. And some of these people live on

1906
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: the streets, so it's not clear to them at all. Ever,

1907
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,959
Speaker 2: what the speed limit is because there is a variable

1908
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 2: speed limit sign near the school. Now you know how

1909
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 2: this thing works, right, This is like every other time

1910
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 2: of the day you can travel the normal speed limit,

1911
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 2: but during school pick up and drop off you have

1912
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 2: to travel thirty k. So it says thirty k speed

1913
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 2: limit from eight twenty five am to nine am on

1914
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 2: school days and two fifty five pm to three fifteen

1915
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 2: pm on school days. So you'd think, okay, well, this

1916
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 2: is the rest of the time. Obviously it's not thirty ks.

1917
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 2: I can drive fifty ks no rest of the time.

1918
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: It's also thirty ks, in which case, why do you

1919
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 2: have the variable there's no variable speed limit. It's a

1920
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 2: thirty K zone all of the time. Why have you

1921
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 2: got the speed limit up? Stop telling people they can

1922
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 2: only drive thirty k's that pick up and drop off

1923
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: when they can only drive thirty k's all of the time,

1924
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: which is why they were getting the speeding tickets. Anyway,

1925
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: one woman was going fifty one k's got herself one

1926
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy dollars speed speeding ticket. That's a hell

1927
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: of a lot. It was a Sunday, so she was like,

1928
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 2: it's a Sunday and it was also a Sunday during

1929
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: the school holidays, so she was like, it'll be fine.

1930
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Speaker 2: There's no kids here on a Sunday during school holidays

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Speaker 2: allowed to go fifty No anyway, What makes it worse

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Speaker 2: is if you then go to the NZTA website because

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Speaker 2: they're like, no, it's thirty k's all the time. Go

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Speaker 2: to the t NZITA website, put on an address fifty k's.

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Speaker 2: They say they reversed all the speeding tickets, refunded everybody

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Speaker 2: as you should. Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Maths, Insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, with your futures in good Hands, News Talks.

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Speaker 2: I'd be here, Heather. There are so many loophole's here.

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Speaker 2: With key we Saver, I can buy a house on

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Speaker 2: the farm and then use the key we Saver money

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Speaker 2: to develop it into a hunter's lot. Cool thirteen away

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Speaker 2: from Steven Gavin Gray, UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gevin Hiver,

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Speaker 2: have right so this men and joit us outbreaks now

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Speaker 2: our national incident here.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm getting more and more serious here. Some fifteen

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Speaker 26: cases have officially been reported, but that includes two deaths

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Speaker 26: and the others are in hospital. The thirteen in hospital

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Speaker 26: some described as being critical, and the number of cases

1951
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Speaker 26: is expected to rise because the incubation period from infection

1952
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Speaker 26: to when symptoms appear is between two and fourteen days,

1953
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Speaker 26: and where they're looking at some sort of a what's

1954
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Speaker 26: been called a super spreader event was those that attended

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Speaker 26: a nightclub in Canterbury and Kent in southeast to England,

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Speaker 26: and this particular nightclub was really pretty busy and they

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Speaker 26: suspect that between the fifth and seventh of this month,

1958
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Speaker 26: in other words, you know, a couple of weeks back now,

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Speaker 26: the people who have gone there may have been just

1960
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Speaker 26: very very succeptible to spreading meningitis B, which is the

1961
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Speaker 26: strain that the government is looking at. Here there are

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Speaker 26: big fears not only about the incubation period coming up,

1963
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Speaker 26: but also about the fact this could be a new strain,

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Speaker 26: as sort of varying strain of normal meningitis B, which

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Speaker 26: is leading it to spread incredibly quickly. And there are

1966
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Speaker 26: accues of hundreds of students and hundreds of young people

1967
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Speaker 26: queuing to try and get around four centers that have

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Speaker 26: been set up for these meningitis b jabs in order

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Speaker 26: to try and prevent the symptoms or the onset of

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Speaker 26: any kind of meningitis.

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Speaker 15: But it is a very very difficult thing to try

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Speaker 15: to beat.

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Speaker 2: Now, the ship that's drifting in the Mediterranean with the

1974
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Speaker 2: hole on the side, is it actually leaking out LNG.

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Speaker 26: Well at the moment not, But the theor is that

1976
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Speaker 26: it was very badly damaged in a suspected sea drone

1977
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Speaker 26: attack near the water off Malta. It is a sanctioned

1978
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Speaker 26: Russian oil and gas ship. In other words, it's one

1979
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Speaker 26: of the Shadow Fleet, believed to try to evade Western

1980
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Speaker 26: sanctions by turning their transponders off so that people don't

1981
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Speaker 26: know where they are. The money Moscow of course gets

1982
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Speaker 26: from this oil and gas helps fund its ongoing war

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Speaker 26: on Ukraine. So Ukraine is suspected to have fired a

1984
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Speaker 26: drone at this ship, but Ukraine has not commented on

1985
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Speaker 26: reports it was responsible for it. Now, the Lebanese it

1986
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 26: happened near their waters, and the Lebanese said it had sunk.

1987
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Speaker 15: Well, it hasn't sunk.

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Speaker 26: It's floating away roughly forty five nautical miles eighty three

1989
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Speaker 26: kilometers from Italian territorial waters, and it is, according to sources,

1990
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Speaker 26: carrying a significant quantity of liquid natural gash plus four

1991
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Speaker 26: hundred and fifty tons of fuel oil two hundred and

1992
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Speaker 26: fifty tons of diesel all on board with the big

1993
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Speaker 26: ferod is simply going to rupture because the structure has

1994
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Speaker 26: been so weakened by the drone and that could lead

1995
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Speaker 26: to a major ecological disaster, which is what some are saying.

1996
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Speaker 26: The EU needs to act now and sort out this

1997
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Speaker 26: what we're describing as an environmental bomb waiting to go off.

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Speaker 2: Now, you guys changing your destinations for your holidays right,

1999
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Speaker 2: not going to Dubai anymore.

2000
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Speaker 26: Yeah, very interesting that the holiday industry has announced that

2001
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,759
Speaker 26: actually there's seeing a huge disruption to passion flights across

2002
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 26: across the Middle East, where we knew that that that's meant.

2003
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Speaker 26: That's led to a very very sharp slowdown in holiday

2004
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Speaker 26: bookings to the Middle East. Well perhaps no surprise there,

2005
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Speaker 26: but also people just rebooking their holidays away from Dubai

2006
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Speaker 26: and Dubai very popular this time of year, much more

2007
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 26: pleasant temperatures and more sunshine than.

2008
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Speaker 15: We normally get around Easter in the Easter breaks.

2009
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Speaker 26: But we're seeing a massive switch now away from not

2010
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,919
Speaker 26: just the United Arab Emirates, but also Turkey, Cyprus and Egypt,

2011
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 26: and bookings are going up significantly to Portugal, Italy and

2012
01:34:54,680 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 26: Spain seen as sort of more reassuring, safer destinations in

2013
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 26: Mauritius and some US destinations also said to be filling

2014
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 26: up much more quickly, And I think a sure sign

2015
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Speaker 26: people are reading these headlines worried about the safety of

2016
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Speaker 26: the Middle East and places that prided themselves on being

2017
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 26: safe and great holiday destinations. And of course that further

2018
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 26: will mean politicians there increased the pressure on Donald Trump

2019
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Speaker 26: to get this war sorted sooner rather than data.

2020
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Hey, Gvin, thank you as always, talking to you

2021
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Speaker 2: in a couple of days, Kevin Gray, UK correspondent. By

2022
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 2: the way, just on the business in Iran. We mentioned

2023
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 2: this earlier in the World Wires a couple of hours ago.

2024
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Speaker 2: The killing of Ali Lara Johanni, who is the chap.

2025
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Speaker 2: Some are saying that this may be more significant than

2026
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 2: the killing of Harmony because this chap is apparently the

2027
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Speaker 2: chap who's actually running the country, so he knew everything

2028
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Speaker 2: that was going on. He was pulling all the leavers.

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Speaker 2: He's the proper guy to have taken out. He's also

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Speaker 2: one of Iran's most prominent voices of defiance. And the

2031
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Speaker 2: thing about it that it will have the message will

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Speaker 2: have sent, I think to the wider regime in Iran

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Speaker 2: is that basically Israel can get you. You can hide,

2034
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Speaker 2: but Israel will get you because they've just taken him out.

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Speaker 2: Eight away from seven it's the.

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Speaker 1: Heather tooper Cy Allan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: How cool is this?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: I don't like Megan Markale right, I don't. I haven't

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Speaker 2: got time for her, but she has got a really

2042
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Speaker 2: big following on Instagram of people who do like her,

2043
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Speaker 2: so she has the ability to positively impact as an influencer.

2044
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Speaker 2: So she has shared on her Instagram that she's loving

2045
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Speaker 2: a book of poems about motherhood written by a woman

2046
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Speaker 2: who lives in christ Church. It's called They Bloom Because

2047
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Speaker 2: of You as written by Jessica IRLX, and it was

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Speaker 2: only out two weeks ago. She's already onto it and

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Speaker 2: she says she was put onto it by her mom

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Speaker 2: friend Christina. Well, now she's the mom friend that's put

2051
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Speaker 2: everybody else onto it, so well, done you, Jessica. Hope

2052
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Speaker 2: it goes well as.

2053
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Speaker 18: What I've done by Lincoln Park tonight. Yeah. Now I've

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Speaker 18: managed to sneak in one for all three of them

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Speaker 18: first albums. But yes, playing at Spark Arena in Auckland tonight.

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Speaker 18: They're expected to come on stage at about eight forty five,

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Speaker 18: but that's not written in stone, so if you do

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Speaker 18: have a ticket, probably best get along there.

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01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to do me and miss the

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Speaker 2: first two songs like I did with Pulp.

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Speaker 18: Oh god. Yeah, well, I was going to say I'm

2062
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Speaker 18: looking at the setless. They look like pretty good songs too,

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Speaker 18: And obviously here is wrong. It's not a tribute band

2064
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Speaker 18: that still has the original DJ, the original rap vocalist,

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Speaker 18: the original lead guitarist on the original bassis, so it

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01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 18: should be good.

2067
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Speaker 2: Are you going?

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Speaker 18: I'm not producer Sam and producer Kevin Arging though, so

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Speaker 18: I imagine you and me will be carrying the bulk

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Speaker 18: of the workload tomorrow somehow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh yay, hungover people. Well, one of you guys, what,

2073
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Speaker 2: keV is a GeneXus, so he knows better than getting booze.

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Speaker 2: The other one, though, I don't know what we're going

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Speaker 2: to do with that. Did you eat your chocolates?

2076
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Speaker 18: It's oh, those were delicious things, very much well, best

2077
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 18: boss ever?

2078
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 2: Do you know what they were for?

2079
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 18: What were they for?

2080
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:47,639
Speaker 15: Heather?

2081
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 3: So it was not me.

2082
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 2: It's boss Man Will who came by to apologize for

2083
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 2: forgetting to tell us for two hours what happened with

2084
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 2: the car chase yesterday that I was moaning about on air.

2085
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 2: So he gave us a bag of chocolate.

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Speaker 18: And they were very good chocolates as well. So if

2087
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 18: he can forget to do things more often, I would

2088
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 18: be quite happy with that.

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01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 2: It's not a problem for us. We should set him

2090
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 2: up with things to do and then make him forget.

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Speaker 2: Love it all right, Thank you, Enjoy, Enjoy Lincoln Park.

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Speaker 2: If you're going tonight. It's not a real tribute band.

2093
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 2: It's just like a second tribute band. But it'll be good.

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01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm glad we spent some money on I suppose see

2095
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 2: you then.

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01:38:17,000 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: Fight for more from Heather. That to plus the Allen

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