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Speaker 1: Feather due to see it. There are reports that Google

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Speaker 1: is threatening to pull out of New Zealand altogether because

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Speaker 1: of the government's plan to make it pay media companies

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Speaker 1: for news content. Clearly not happy about this. Endzed Me

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Speaker 1: media columnist Shane Curry broke the news this morning and

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Speaker 1: he's with us now, Hey, Shane, They're not going to

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Speaker 1: pull out, are they?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. But you know, in any negotiations

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Speaker 2: like this, they will certainly be reviewing their stants. They've

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Speaker 2: actually said publicly in their submission to Parliament for the

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Speaker 2: Fair Digital News Bill that they will need to review

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Speaker 2: operations in New Zealand if the bill goes ahead. And

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Speaker 2: of course we know the bill is going to go ahead.

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Speaker 2: National has picked it up and so Google quite rightly,

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Speaker 2: quite expectedly, is now maneuvering its position.

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Speaker 1: But review operations could mean anything, couldn't It could mean

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Speaker 1: taking away the news tabs or whatever they do, pulling

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Speaker 1: out all together. What's the most.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely right now. They have a lot of deals

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Speaker 2: with media companies, are very proud of those, and that

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Speaker 2: includes you know, the likes of ented Me stuff, spin

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Speaker 2: Off Newsroom. They all have deals where they get a

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Speaker 2: little bit of money to display their news and what

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Speaker 2: they call the Google News showcase. The publishers argue, although

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Speaker 2: none of them are actually talking because they have lots

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Speaker 2: of non disclosure agreements, but industry sources are telling me that,

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Speaker 2: you know, they expect the publishers expect to receive a

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Speaker 2: lot more money as a result of the Fair Digital

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Speaker 2: News Bill, and so that's why you know, they've been

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Speaker 2: amping for that for so long. That's why the government

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Speaker 2: has listened, and that's why Google is angry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, Google has up to now been the good guys,

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Speaker 1: right because Facebook have been the bad guys, shutting down

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Speaker 1: operations and places like Canada. Google's been the good guys.

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Speaker 1: Are they putting that at risk with threats like this?

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Speaker 2: I think Google have certainly, compared to Meta, compared to Facebook,

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Speaker 2: have certainly been a lot more forthright and supportive of

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand media industry. And that's just as a

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Speaker 2: casual observer, as a media columnist. You know, I talk

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Speaker 2: to exex all the time and Google have certainly been supportive.

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Speaker 2: But as I say, that's also there's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of pr around that. If you look at the deals

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Speaker 2: that they've done in Australia and even Canada. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot more money that's at state here that can be

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Speaker 2: I think they made a million. They made a billion

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Speaker 2: dollars last year in New Zealand. We're talking here at

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Speaker 2: the moment. They fund New Zealand media companies with their

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Speaker 2: different initiatives and sothing to the tune of just a

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Speaker 2: few several million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Really only several not even tear.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's all part of a non disclosure agreement. No

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Speaker 2: one is telling me the exacts are.

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Speaker 1: Title, aren't they really about?

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Speaker 2: What is interesting now is Google is going straight to Goldsmith,

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Speaker 2: straight to Luxen and writing to them directly about you

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Speaker 2: know that even though the bill is now passing through Parliament,

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Speaker 2: Google is still in their ears. The cabinet paper hasn't

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Speaker 2: been released. It was expected to be released last month.

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Speaker 2: The government's holding off on releasing it for some reason,

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Speaker 2: and so we've got Official Information Act requests in for

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But certainly the officials and Willington.

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Speaker 1: Scrambling, tell me what you think. Okay, this hasn't worked,

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Speaker 1: I would argue in any anywhere else where it's been tried.

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Speaker 1: Australia and Canada is going to work now.

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Speaker 2: It is working. It is working. Whereas I know, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of controversy about a lot of comment, but

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Speaker 2: there's certainly a lot more money now being given to

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Speaker 2: the media companies where dividually Australia Canada. You can't say

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Speaker 2: the poll of money in Canada.

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Speaker 1: I mean you've got tiny little media outlets falling over

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Speaker 1: because the I've got the Facebook train, They've got.

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Speaker 2: A hunt that there's now a pool. Even though Google

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Speaker 2: is exempt from that law. Yeah, they have still agreed

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Speaker 2: to one hundred million dollars a year to publishers in Canada.

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Speaker 2: I know they're exempt, but that is one hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollars more than they were getting previous.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you would argue that in both of these

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Speaker 1: jurisdictions this law is well.

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Speaker 2: Google and Australia's doing their own individual deals.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as a result of that legislation, Google has had

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Speaker 2: to come to the negotiation.

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Speaker 1: Table and it will work here, yes, Okay.

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Speaker 2: And my view, guys, well, why not have a view.

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Speaker 1: You've been around long enough to have a view. Shane,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate your take on it. That's Shane Curry,

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Speaker 1: who's en Zigmy's media columnists. You can catches media inside

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Speaker 1: it all the time. I don't know if it comes

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Speaker 1: out her regularly. It just comes out all the time,

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Speaker 1: and it's brilliant.

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