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Speaker 1: And into Brady a UK correspondence with us.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Inda, Hey Heather, great to speak to you again.

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Speaker 1: So you're now not sending the vessel to the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: Precisely so, the flagship vessel from the Royal Navy HMS

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Speaker 2: Prince of Wales was being readied. We were told that

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Speaker 2: it would take maybe eight days to get ready and

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Speaker 2: that it would be sailing to the Middle East. Downing

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Speaker 2: Street is now guiding journalists who are asking questions about

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Speaker 2: you know, where is this ship going. It's heading to

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Speaker 2: the Arctic now to take place take part in some

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Speaker 2: NATO exercises up there. So I think what has kind

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Speaker 2: of changed Starmer's mind is the fact that the French

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Speaker 2: are sending a vessel imminently, and he's probably thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: the rudeness of Trump the other day berating him, criticizing

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Speaker 2: the UK, saying that Starmer is no Winston Churchill. What's

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Speaker 2: the point. So they're going to go do something else

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Speaker 2: with NATO instead, they will send a smaller vessel towards

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Speaker 2: Cyprus to defend it from any further drone attacks. But

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Speaker 2: I think in terms of helping Americans, good luck to them.

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Speaker 1: Now, fair enough, and look I imagine that actually not taking

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Speaker 1: Trump's shit frankly is going to be reasonably popular at home.

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Speaker 1: But Starmer looks like he's all over the shopping indecisive

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Speaker 1: and this is just the latest example, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well. Look, look, everyone says that he's a flip flopper

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Speaker 2: and he's always changing his mind. I will point out

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Speaker 2: he's a lawyer by trade and profession. He has been

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Speaker 2: a lawyer his whole life. Politics was his second career

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Speaker 2: for Starmer. I think he has sat down with legal

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Speaker 2: advice in Downing Street and thought, we don't want to

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Speaker 2: be indicted as war criminals in a few years time.

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Speaker 2: Look at what happened that school in Iran last weekend.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty five seven year old girls murdered

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Speaker 2: by American bombs, and it's absolutely awful. And I think

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Speaker 2: Starmer has thought, I don't want this on me. I

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Speaker 2: don't want history judging us like this, and step well

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Speaker 2: back from what netting Yahoo is making Trump do. So

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Speaker 2: I think Starmer's legal brain has kicked in and he

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Speaker 2: has clearly thought this is in breach of international law.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably if you explain suld Now what about Charles though?

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Speaker 1: Going to the us.

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Speaker 2: The Palace not to do this. So state visit meant

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Speaker 2: to be taking place in April. It's not that far away.

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Speaker 2: It's creeping up, and I think privately Charles will have

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Speaker 2: his own reservations as well. So the leader of the

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Speaker 2: Liberal Democrats, A Davy, has come out and he's been

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Speaker 2: a very vocal critic of Trump. He has come out

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Speaker 2: and said there is no way the British monarch should

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Speaker 2: be going to America while they're doing this to the

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Speaker 2: people of Iran. So labor MPs are now joining that

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Speaker 2: voice and trying to put pressure on Starmer. And I

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Speaker 2: think it will build. And if in a few weeks time,

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Speaker 2: god forbid, they are still bombing people in Iran and

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Speaker 2: Israel is still bombing people in Lebanon, there is no

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Speaker 2: way Charles can go to America and start traveling around

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Speaker 2: in open top cavalcades making out that everything is fine

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Speaker 2: and dandy with the relationship. When I think privately he's

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Speaker 2: probably thinking Trump has torched it, especially after that state

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Speaker 2: visit he got in September.

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Speaker 1: How are you following the Jerry Adams case, So.

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Speaker 2: This is very interesting for anyone hasn't followed this. Today

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Speaker 2: will be day two of a civil case in the

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Speaker 2: High Court in London where three men are claiming that

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Speaker 2: Jerry Adams, the retired Irish politician and former leader of

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Speaker 2: shin Fame, which is the Irish Republican Party looking for

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Speaker 2: a United Ireland. Basically they claim he was the leader

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Speaker 2: of the IRA. Now this is something he has always denied.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Adams has said that he was never even in

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Speaker 2: the IRA, let alone being the boss of its. British

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Speaker 2: Intelligence believes otherwise. The British Army believes otherwise and always

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Speaker 2: has done. So what's happening now is three men who

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Speaker 2: were all injured in huge IRA bombs. There was a

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Speaker 2: bomb outside the Old Bailey Court in nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 2: off Judy police officer who was injured in that is

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Speaker 2: one of the claimants, the IRA bomb at the Arundale

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Speaker 2: shopping center in Manchester in ninety six a guy who

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Speaker 2: was injured in that, and the London Docklands bomb later

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Speaker 2: in ninety six. These three men are taking a civil

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Speaker 2: case to the High Court where the standard of proof

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Speaker 2: is lower, much lower than criminal court, and they're seeking

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Speaker 2: two dollars damages. That's what they're looking for. So it's

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Speaker 2: not about money, it's about having a court rule and

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Speaker 2: there's no jury on this, so to be basically them

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Speaker 2: trying to convince a judge that Jerry Adams was the

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Speaker 2: boss of the IRA. He denies it and his legal

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Speaker 2: team are saying that this is completely legally flawed and

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Speaker 2: there's no way they can win. So a seven day trial,

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Speaker 2: let's see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating. Inda, thanks for running us through and keeping

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Speaker 1: an eye on that. You to Brady, UK correspondent.

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