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Speaker 1: Some more change coming to our roads. It looks like

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Speaker 1: drivers won't pay fuel exercise taxes anymore, but road user

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Speaker 1: charges instead. So how would it work? What's it mean?

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Speaker 1: The AA Transport Policy Director Market Glenn's with us Martin

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Speaker 1: morning to you as an idea.

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Speaker 2: Do you like it? Yeah, for a couple of reasons. One,

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Speaker 2: petrol spetials come a lot more efficient for new vehicles,

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Speaker 2: so it's not fair for older vehicles doing the same

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Speaker 2: amount of roads as newer vehicles to be doing it.

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Speaker 2: And technically the petrol taxes without fuel systemcy is does

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Speaker 2: not raise the revenue we need for the system anymore.

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Speaker 2: There's a big there's a big gap. Government put the

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Speaker 2: grants and loans in our TV and it's increasing the debt.

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Speaker 2: So we really do need a system change.

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Speaker 1: And having rucks and everyone pays rucks, would that make

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Speaker 1: it simpler?

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Speaker 2: It's more about making it fairer for everybody. You know rucks.

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Speaker 2: It's how many klimeters do you drive? So for the

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Speaker 2: same time the called same type of eple pay the

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Speaker 2: same amount.

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Speaker 1: So you use it, you pay for it. It's as

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Speaker 1: simple as that. How much of it's a revenue grab because,

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Speaker 1: as you say, as you go with the you're not

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Speaker 1: going to the petrol station anymore in the government panic

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Speaker 1: and they need the DOE.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's I think I think it's a

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Speaker 2: revenue grab. That's about everybody paying the same amount. But

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Speaker 2: with vehicles being becoming more fuel effic in it, you know,

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Speaker 2: it will mean more revenue for the government.

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Speaker 1: Is this the future by the time we do this,

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Speaker 1: By the way, this isn't coming until twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: You do that plus some sort of congestion time user charges,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Is this the way of the future.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'd have to see exactly what the government is

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Speaker 2: proposing once he's done a bit more work. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of a huge change getting all the petrol vehicles on

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Speaker 2: to ruck. That's something like three and a half a

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Speaker 2: million vehicles, so it's a three quarters of our fleet.

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Speaker 2: One of the big questions is whether we are moved

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Speaker 2: to our current system with a whole other changes, or

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Speaker 2: whether it'll be electronic radios of charges, which would actually

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Speaker 2: require devices and vehicles. So it's not clearly whether this

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Speaker 2: is going to be a stipping stone to there, or

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Speaker 2: that's going to go radical and go electronic radios of charges.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well we've got a couple of views to wait

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Speaker 1: and find out about it. Martin, appreciate it, having a

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Speaker 1: good weekend, Martin Gloom, who's the AA Transport Policy Director.

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