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Speaker 1: Kyoda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is a bonus episode

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Speaker 1: of The Front Page, a daily podcast presented by the

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Herald. While the final results are set to

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Speaker 1: trickle in slowly, the exit poll for the UK election

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Speaker 1: has shown a historic landslide for the Labor Party. The

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Speaker 1: pole suggests Sir Kurse Darma will be the next Prime

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Speaker 1: minister of one of our closest allies, with a potential

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Speaker 1: majority of one hundred and seventy seats, while the ruling

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Speaker 1: Conservative Party is out after fourteen years of power and

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Speaker 1: has suffered their worst ever defeat to Boot. To discuss

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Speaker 1: the seismic change in UK politics and what it might

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Speaker 1: mean for a Kiwoe to London, we're joined now on

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Speaker 1: the Front Page by former New Zealand political journalist turned

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Speaker 1: expat Henry Cook. Henry, how significant is this landslide for Labor.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely huge. Labour been out of power for fourteen years.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of adults who are well into

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Speaker 3: in their adult lives or maybe even political memory. It's

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Speaker 3: also should we know that it's not been a gradual

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Speaker 3: climb back to government for labor since threenty ten. They

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Speaker 3: lost one of their worst ever election losses in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: just five years ago that was the last election.

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Speaker 2: So this landslide seeming landslide as we're looking at it

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Speaker 3: While it's not quite as strong as maybe some of

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Speaker 3: the you know, some of the poles of the last

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Speaker 3: few days have shown, is still a massive, massive, massive

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Speaker 3: victory for labor just five years after losing so badly,

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Speaker 3: and a massive victory for Krestar for the income.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister.

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of commentary actually in the last

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Speaker 1: week about the fourteen years that broke Britain. Does the

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Speaker 1: country feel broken to you? How does it feel when

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Speaker 1: you move to there?

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Speaker 3: Line?

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Speaker 2: You know, there's been things about the UK that work fine.

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Speaker 3: You know, the supermarkets are very competitive and things are

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Speaker 3: the air lines are very competitive, but there is the

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Speaker 3: set I guess the real difference. It's not that things

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Speaker 3: think that's what's what I find different about the UK

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Speaker 3: and the things are getting worse. Whether the selection changes that,

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Speaker 2: Be said.

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Speaker 4: And as big bend strikes ten, the exit poll is

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Speaker 4: predicting a Labor landslide. Secure Starmer will become Prime Minister

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Speaker 4: with a majority of around one hundred and seventy seats.

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Speaker 4: The exit poll predicts that Labor will have captured four

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Speaker 1: What is Starmer's vision for the UK? Is it going

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Speaker 1: to be a big shift?

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Speaker 2: Big question? You know, the manifest might've had one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and pretty one pages, but it wasn't a particularly

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Speaker 3: like what prospression. This is actually to kind of unlocked

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Speaker 3: not a radical shift vision. You know that they've stuck

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Speaker 3: more spending in education, perhaps listing on defense. But they're

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Speaker 3: all overall not be a kind of seismic sure that

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Speaker 3: if I was a UK ally or if I was

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Speaker 3: worrying about some gigantic shift to the left.

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Speaker 1: The elephant in the room, I guess Reform UK looks

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Speaker 2: So he's Reform UK are having so far an incredible night.

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Speaker 3: When we were talking right now, the actual first result

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Speaker 1: Is it a bit of an incredible shift. I know

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Speaker 1: that Nigel Farrage didn't he announce that he was running

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Speaker 3: Or something, just just when when Russie announced in the

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Speaker 3: Kind of, he had a very dead week with the

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Speaker 3: Bryan said, well, oh look I'm not going to get

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Speaker 2: But then kind of about a.

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Speaker 3: Week later he actually he suddenly kind of came back.

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Speaker 2: To my mind, I'm going to run.

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Speaker 5: Yet I have decided I've changed my mind, so I

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Speaker 5: important than that, I've made a far bigger decision than that.

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Speaker 5: But I'm coming back as leader of Reform UK, but

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Speaker 5: not just for this election campaign. I'm coming back for

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Speaker 3: As a pretty incredible result for reform coming from nothing,

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Speaker 2: Other right wing party is very strong.

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Speaker 3: But the Tories were so weak but so week before

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Speaker 1: We constantly talk about under investment in key infrastructure and

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Speaker 1: to turn that ship around. Is labor over there planning

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Speaker 1: to try and reverse some of those austerity measures.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, Austereo is kind of kind of Finnish.

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Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen when Boris Johnson won, so the like

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Speaker 2: In the twenty fifteen term.

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Speaker 3: There is you know, there is there is government money

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Speaker 2: In the immediate term. Right now they're very focused on,

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Speaker 3: The UK needs is you know, in New Zealand you

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Speaker 3: But it's also in the UK often on on on

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Speaker 2: Know, I can't pick up the exact noumer now, but

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Speaker 3: In the hundreds of billions of cost and I don't

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Speaker 3: just because well, the UK's destination is worse in New

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Speaker 1: I suppose everyone here, especially in New Zealand and in

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Speaker 1: in London planning to move over there as their big oe, right.

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Speaker 1: Is it a good time for KIWI expats to move there?

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Speaker 1: Do you think what does Starma's Britain look like to

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Speaker 2: I do that.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the middle of my oay, so obviously I'm

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Speaker 3: somewhat pro the moves. I did it before Salmon one

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Speaker 3: or was even surely favored to win. I I think

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Speaker 3: as the reasons through open through road to the UK

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Speaker 3: and not going to najorly change by Starmer at least

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Speaker 3: maybe you were someone who wanted to work in a

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Speaker 3: government job which only going to be high a public

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Speaker 3: center employment. Other than that, I'd say the reasons to

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Speaker 2: That's not going to change. If Sarma does.

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Speaker 3: What he wants to do and really raise his wages,

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Speaker 3: that will be a big change there. So you know

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Speaker 3: fact that that could the immediate future. Your region to

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Speaker 3: it was to EXCO.

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Speaker 1: And finally, drawing on your experience as a political editor

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Speaker 1: here in New Zealand and then now working over there

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Speaker 1: during this election, what kind of comparisons have surprised you

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Speaker 1: between what's happening there and what had happened here last year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of similarities in that.

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Speaker 3: I think a big part of both labors last twenty

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Speaker 3: is around things kind of outside of the government's control

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Speaker 3: or a little bit of the government's control, around things

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Speaker 3: like inflation and just wait right, you know what which

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Speaker 3: is going really really high.

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Speaker 2: That stuff just kills governments, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, And it's the perception of how you deal with

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Speaker 2: And both labor avatories, especially Victoria has.

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Speaker 3: Really failed to look like they had to handle on

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Speaker 2: Is the really huge thing that the method that Forterier

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Speaker 3: First past the post here in Ford of MP Whichry

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Speaker 3: you lose a little bit, you can lose.

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Speaker 2: Really really badly.

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Speaker 3: So later I know the overall boat year old have

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Speaker 3: to be somewhere around late thirty percent. They are going

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Speaker 3: to have probably seventy percent of the seats based on that.

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Speaker 3: Vatories are not going to have anywhere near that. And

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Speaker 3: when you lose it can get really really bad. And

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