1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: The Rural Report on Heather do for see Alan Drive, 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,120 Speaker 1: Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries with us Alo Jamie. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: Happy birthday cousin, Heather, and I just think before we 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 2: start this wonderful conversation, especially after that last text, I 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: probably need to do a bit of a cunliff because 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: I am a sis, straight white male with a blue 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: suit and a briefcase. Don't take the briefcase to work anymore, Heather, 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: but I used to, so I need to apologize. 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: Jamie. Listen, thanks very much for the birthday wish. Now, 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: Federated Farmers are they right to say that this night 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: rate emergency is just a political stunt? 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: Oh jeez, there's two sides to this story. So Federated Farmers, 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: their vice president Colin Hurst, is based in Canterbury. He's 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: saying the night trade emergency is a shameless political stunt 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 2: and won't how everybody remember it was the last day 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: of sitting for Ecan, who was certainly in the gun 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: with Farmers at the moment, and they passed it I 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: think by nine to seven to declare this emergency so 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: Feds and Colin is saying all it will do is 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: create unnecessary panic and drive a wedge between our urban 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: and rural communities. The nitrates, I might add here that 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: aren't all coming from the farmers. There's plenty coming from 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: the city as well. So Hurst is saying that ecan's 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: decision will undermine good work done by Farmer's Council, EWI 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: and wider community over the last few decades. The data 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: shows the trends have been consistent for decades and nobody's 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: disputing in feeds or elsewhere that there is an issue 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: with nitrates in Canterbury, but they're saying to suddenly come 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: out and call it an emergency as political theater there 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: also took a shot at Greenpeace spreading misinformation about nitrates 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: along the lines of linking nitrates to drinking water and 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: drinking water to colon cancer. So Federated farmers are saying 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: New Zealanders should take their health advice from medical professionals, 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: not environmental activists with an anti farming agenda. 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Okay, now what about beef and lands. I'm saying that 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: the government law to stop the wholesale conversions of farmland 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: to forestry doesn't go far enough. Where do you sit 38 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: on that? 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm almost I think I'm with Beef and Lamb on 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: this one because anecdotally anyhow, I mean, they're still carrying 41 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: on in their merry way. I mean, this is a 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 2: good step. The Climate Change Response Amendment Bill passed its 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: third reading in Parliament. There will be law, as I 44 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: understand it in October. FEDS are not Feds. Beef and 45 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: Lamb are saying it just doesn't go far enough to 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: slow the rate of productive sheep and beef land being lost. 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: One of their real gripes is they're really disappointed that 48 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: their calls to extend the moratorium on whole farm conversions. 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: This is when you plant the whole farm out. They 50 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: want it extended to all classes of land, not just 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: classes one to five, because eighty nine percent of whole 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: farm conversions to date have occurred on land classes six 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: to eight. Land class six in particular, is highly productive 54 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: and vital to the sector. Now, Beef and Lamb are saying, 55 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 2: we've already loved three hundred thousand hectares of sheep and 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: beef farms to forestry since twenty seventeen. If we continue 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: on a current trajectory, we'll lose another six hundred and 58 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: fifty thousand hectares by twenty fifty. That's one million hectares, 59 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: which would equate to eighteen percent or an eighteen percent 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: drop in stock units. And they're quite rightly saying New 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: Zealand's ets settings are artificially distorting the market. It is 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: the Emperor's new clothes, if you ask me. It's incentivizing 63 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: this wholesale conversion. We're the only country in the world 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: apart from Kazakhstan, to allow one hundred percent offsetting in 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: its carbon pricing. And Kate Acklin from Beef and Lamb 66 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: did qualify or quantify her comments by saying Beef and 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: Lamb is not anti forestry, but the surgeon whole farm 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: conversions for carbon only forestries not being driven by timber demand, 69 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: which is pretty weak at the moment. It's the result 70 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: of a carbon market skewed by poorly designed policy, and 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: on that I agree one hundred percent. 72 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Of Thank you so much, Jammy. 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