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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather dupless Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and you talk as.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Auckland Transport's

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Speaker 3: going to tell us what they are going to do

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Speaker 3: to keep people safe on buses now the chief on

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Speaker 3: Boodsman has taken another crack at ordering a tammit key

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Speaker 3: for failing to keep kids safe. He's going to talk

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Speaker 3: us through it. And there are more complaints, aren't there

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Speaker 3: about David Seymour's food and school's plan And this time

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Speaker 3: it's the packaging just not good enough. Heather Duplessyl, Okay,

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Speaker 3: look on with some bus stabbing. I get that there

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Speaker 3: is a fear, and it is a fear that has

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Speaker 3: been building for a while now about safety on public transport,

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Speaker 3: and it is not unfounded given the number of assaults

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Speaker 3: that have happened, some of them quite serious and now

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Speaker 3: a murder. I think people are entitled to feel really

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Speaker 3: scared of what is happening on buses and on trains

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Speaker 3: at the moment. And I also think that there is

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Speaker 3: a fair argument for increasing security on buses. But I

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Speaker 3: suspect that we all know that you increase security on buses,

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Speaker 3: you you're only ever going to really because it comes

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Speaker 3: with the cost. You're only ever really going to increase

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Speaker 3: security on the most problematic routes, and everybody else is

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Speaker 3: going to be taking a bit of a punt. And

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Speaker 3: you're only ever going to stop low level offending. Right,

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Speaker 3: It's a security ard is not going to be able

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Speaker 3: to stop something like this happening. Again, security guard has

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Speaker 3: got limited powers, and what security guard is going to

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Speaker 3: put themselves in the way of a knife? So the question,

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Speaker 3: of course is what's the solution. I think it's with

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Speaker 3: the courts. This guy, and we have to say he

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Speaker 3: is alleged to have carried out the stabbing. It has

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Speaker 3: not been proven by court yet. But this guy is

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Speaker 3: the perfect example of why we should lock away bad

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Speaker 3: people for as long as possible. This guy was before

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Speaker 3: the courts in May for sentencing for threatening to kill

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Speaker 3: and threatening a dwelling, which he'd done last year. Now,

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Speaker 3: threatening to kill in particular, is this serious offense that's

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Speaker 3: punishable with between two and seven years in jail. Now,

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Speaker 3: explain to me how a guy who's accused and guilty

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Speaker 3: of only one year and seven months. How did that happen?

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Speaker 3: And now, because it's below the two year mark, the

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Speaker 3: he is entitled, because it's below the magic two year mark,

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Speaker 3: to be released when he served exactly half of it. Now,

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Speaker 3: if he had already served that half, which is nine months,

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Speaker 3: while he was in custody on remand waiting to be sentenced,

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Speaker 3: it means that he would have been released almost immediately

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Speaker 3: after his sentencing. So he gets sentenced in May for

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Speaker 3: a very serious offense threatened to kill, and his potentially

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Speaker 3: after that to prison release conditions, no surprise, breached them

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Speaker 3: in quarter a fortnight ago for those breaches and he

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: What good? Because we keep getting to both the people

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Speaker 3: a we need. We can't just lock people up forever,

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Speaker 3: Gotta let them out, gotta let them rehabilitate. What good

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Speaker 3: did letting him out of jail. Do did he rebilitate himself?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. What we've got now is an

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Speaker 3: can absolutely say he should have been in the slammer.

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Speaker 3: He should not have been let out of jail. And

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Speaker 3: this is why we need laws like three strikes that

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Speaker 3: impose a maximum penalty. This is why we need to

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Speaker 3: keep people in jail for as long as we possibly can.

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Speaker 3: This is why we need the rewrite of the Sentencing

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Speaker 3: Act that is happening with the government at the moment,

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Speaker 3: because the judges ain't gonna do it by themselves, are they.

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Speaker 3: And this guy accused of stabbing a complete stranger on

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Speaker 3: is okay, it is okay to lock some people up

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Speaker 2: Hither duplicyl nine two nine.

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Speaker 3: Two is the text number standard text fees applied. Now

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Speaker 3: on another subject altogether, the government is celebrating success in

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Speaker 3: the fight to get people out of emergency housing. It

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Speaker 5: You order here they how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm well thanks mate. So these almost fifteen hundred kads

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Speaker 3: are they all being moved into state houses now?

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Speaker 5: Blue Streets Center, it's still on Bluesheed's carigory. We've nearly

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Speaker 5: moved fifteen hundred young Tamaitiqi into social housing. But in

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Speaker 5: fact the total number of tamatichy or children that have

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Speaker 5: left emergency housing is nearing two thousand, five hundred.

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Speaker 3: Oh where have the other thousand gone?

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Speaker 5: Well, some of them have not gone into social housing.

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Speaker 5: They've just left gone into private housing, houses that attract

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Speaker 5: But we've seen a massive shift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's good stuff, isn't that? How many kids

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Speaker 5: When we came in, there were nearly thirty five hundred.

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Speaker 5: Now there are less than twelve hundred.

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Speaker 3: And what do we do about them? How quickly can

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Speaker 3: you get them out?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're really focused there. As we said, we've got

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Speaker 5: our government target number eight, the goal is to get

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Speaker 5: seventy five percent of how holds out. We've reached sixty

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Speaker 5: two percent of nine months. I think it's good form,

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Speaker 5: but we've got a long way to go. We've got

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Speaker 5: the priority one. So when children have been living in

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Speaker 5: an emergency five over twelve weeks, they get near to

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Speaker 5: the top of a social housing register and we try

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Speaker 5: to get them out of housing, first, emergency housing, out

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Speaker 5: of that bank place, and separately we're also try other

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Speaker 5: ways to encourage people to leave emergency and not just

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Speaker 3: Now, why are you guys still putting this problem? This

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Speaker 5: Well, retre has very very few people in emergency housing,

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Speaker 5: but there are a lot of families, maybe one hundred

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Speaker 5: and forty families with children that are in what is

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Speaker 5: known as contracted emergency housing. It's like transitional housing. In

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Speaker 5: order to get them moving, we have to make sure

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Speaker 5: we've got the right mix of social housing and private

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Speaker 5: a lot of building going on and we look forward

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Speaker 5: six to twelve months.

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Speaker 3: Ye, but hold on a ticket. You know what I'm

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Speaker 3: emergency housing motels still operating in a continue.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Those are for contracted emergency which is set up for

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Speaker 5: families and it's like transitional and you have to renew

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Speaker 5: those licenses every one or two years. If we just said, oh,

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Speaker 5: we're not going to renew those licenses, then those finos

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Speaker 5: we don't have a place to go to. On the

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Speaker 5: other side, would supply we are building housing indle to

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Speaker 5: do it. We think over the next twelve or six

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Speaker 5: to twelve months and by the end of percent the

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Speaker 5: next year, we won't have any more need for those

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Speaker 3: Okay, So didn't you guys promise at the last election

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Speaker 3: to end this nonsense?

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Speaker 5: In retrue, we said we're promised by the end of

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Five, and you still intend to meet that promise.

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Speaker 6: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Okay, what are you going to do with the situation

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Speaker 3: with Ihumarto? Are you going to sack this group?

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Speaker 5: Look, it's not an easy solution and it's not an

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Speaker 5: easy ant. We support the group to come up with

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Speaker 5: an endurance solution, one that basically drives potato or unity.

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Speaker 5: It's not something that we can just stream up today,

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Speaker 5: but we certainly are looking for program.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but hang on tick, it's quite easy. You could

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Speaker 3: just sack them and get some other people who actually

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Speaker 5: I think that's a view. But I think they are

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Speaker 5: making some progress and to come into a solution that everyone.

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Speaker 3: Can What progress are you seeing that we're not seeing?

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I can't disclose all CONFIDENTI discussing, Well, that

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Speaker 5: sounds like there's no true But what I can't say

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Speaker 5: is is that I think they're in a bit of

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Speaker 5: set around what the potential options are stayed than they

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Speaker 5: were two years ago.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about that in a that sounds

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Speaker 3: like bs That just sounds like them finally coming closer

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Speaker 3: to something. There's two years summer, come.

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Speaker 2: On mate on them.

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Speaker 5: As I said in the house today, they are very enthusiastic.

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Speaker 5: When I attended one or two meetings this year, which

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Speaker 5: the previous minister have not attended any meetings, And certainly

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Speaker 5: I'm committed to supporting that Autocahti to come to a

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Speaker 5: I've been there for one year and I think it's

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Speaker 5: better now than it was when.

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Speaker 3: I RF, are you going to give them another two years.

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Speaker 5: After supporting to all FUCAHRDI to get to a solution.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm committed to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a good, that's cool.

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Speaker 6: What are you on?

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Speaker 3: Are you hanging up on me now?

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Speaker 5: No, not at all, waiting for your next question.

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Speaker 3: Oh well that my next question is about that. So

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Speaker 3: are you just answer this for me?

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Speaker 6: Are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to give them another two years to

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Speaker 3: have this this talk? First?

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Speaker 5: Well, the way it was set up by the previous

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Speaker 5: government means the crown actually has very little role in this.

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Speaker 5: We appoint two members to that all too. That's that

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Speaker 5: all predicts together and as dealing to this issue were

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Speaker 5: previously the budget was supported by the previous government and

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Speaker 5: right now I'm continuing for members to come to us

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Speaker 5: an enduring solution. That's where I'm at.

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Speaker 3: Smer thank you, thank you for not hanging up on

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Speaker 3: me as well. By the way, that's summer PORTUK who

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Speaker 3: is the Associate Minister of Housing here. That isn't it

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Speaker 3: interesting how the judiciary always treat the if bad guys

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Speaker 3: are in jail, they can't commit crimes argument to some

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Speaker 3: kind of trifling irrelevance. Very good point, Jared. It isn't.

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Speaker 3: Literally lives depend on it sometimes sixteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for

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Speaker 3: Darcy, I didn't even press my button, Darcy water Grave

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Speaker 3: SportsTalk coasters with me? I does I did?

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Speaker 6: Here? I am?

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Speaker 3: You're winning? You winning at the tab Well?

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Speaker 2: I don't know how about this.

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Speaker 7: Both Rechenravendra and Devin Comway are paying eight dollars fifty

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Speaker 7: to score a ton. Who do you like more to

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Speaker 7: get that done?

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Speaker 3: I don't know who do you reckon?

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Speaker 7: I'm more inclined to go maybe fifty three seventy five

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Speaker 3: As somebody has pointed out, this is Sarah on the text.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 3: Like Heather, the Bojoe speech is going to be the

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Speaker 3: So the King and Queen's Queen's state visit to Sarma

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Speaker 3: Once, and finally, Billy Joel has sold his house in Florida.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 3: Murray Old Rozsie, correspondent with US Now he mus good afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Heather So Lydia thorpey, So did she swear allegiance to

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Speaker 3: the Queen's heirs or the queen's hairs?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Look, I mean talking about hair splitting part in the pun.

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Speaker 12: Look, the fact of the matter is another week, another

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Speaker 12: Lydia Thorpe headline.

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Speaker 6: It's as though she's just out there looking for headlines.

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Speaker 12: She's hit back after suggestions that she was an absolute

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Speaker 12: muffet last week with her protest in Parliament at that

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Speaker 12: parliamentary reception for the King and Queen.

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Speaker 6: And look a lot of people saying she did well.

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Speaker 12: She promoted her indigenous cause and she's obviously very passionate

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Speaker 12: about it.

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Speaker 6: Others said, what are you doing? You're a clown.

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Speaker 12: You swore allegiance to his mother. Now she says, well, no,

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Speaker 12: I didn't. Actually I did not swear allegiance to her heirs,

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Speaker 12: to her heirs, ha irs, well, Lydia, and then she says, oh, look,

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Speaker 12: because my grammar's not as good as yours, and Peter Dutton,

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Speaker 12: you could put your head in as well.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going anywhere. How dare you question my legitimacy?

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Speaker 12: There's the point if she didn't swear allegiance to the

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Speaker 12: queen's heirs, and she swore allegiance to the queen's.

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Speaker 6: But he hairs on her head? Well is she a

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Speaker 6: legitimate senator? So look, she's looking for a headline, she's

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Speaker 6: getting it.

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Speaker 12: We're still talking about her, And as Oscar Wild said,

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Speaker 12: there's only one thing worse than being talked about, and

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Speaker 12: that's not She's there.

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Speaker 6: For another three and a half years, and she said,

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Speaker 6: I'm going nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Listen, tell me. You're obviously closer to the action so

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Speaker 3: you'll know better. But from where I'm sitting, it looks

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Speaker 3: like she did actually deliberately swear allegiance to the hairs,

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Speaker 3: so that she didn't swear allegiance to the ears, and

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Speaker 3: then she fished that up, and then when the controversy

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Speaker 3: blew up, she retracted it because it was getting too hot.

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Speaker 3: Is that basically what happened.

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Speaker 6: That's what's happened. Yeah you do.

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Speaker 3: Do you make her go back and do it properly

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Speaker 3: or what?

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Speaker 6: Well, look, I don't know.

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Speaker 12: The presiding officers of the Senate we'll obviously have a

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Speaker 12: view on this. It hasn't been it has been spoken about.

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Speaker 12: I'm sure today he certainly Katie Gallagher, the Government leader

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Speaker 12: in the Senate, was pretty hot and strong about it.

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Speaker 12: It's not up to Gallagher, it's not up to Labor.

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Speaker 12: It is up to the presiding officers. So where this

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Speaker 12: particular mop flops, I'm not sure. Will Thorpe have to

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Speaker 12: go back and do it again or does she get

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Speaker 12: kicked out? Well, they can't kick her out, but she's

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Speaker 12: a bit like Fatima payment for labor. She was a

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Speaker 12: lucky recipient of a Senate seat when the Greens picked

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Speaker 12: her pre selected to go in the Senate.

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Speaker 6: She says, I'm going nowhere. I'm there for another three

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Speaker 6: and a half years.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, okay, now listen, explain something to me. Why

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Speaker 3: did this guy the rest reateur, why did he have

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Speaker 3: a swastika at that rally? What's the point?

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Speaker 6: Well, well, yeah, exactly. I mean this is a guy

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Speaker 6: called Al Yaznek.

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Speaker 12: He owns some very high profile restaurants in Sydney and

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Speaker 12: in Melbourne the Nomad Group, and for reasons best known

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Speaker 12: to himself, he turns up at a pro Palestine rally

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Speaker 12: with a sign with basically the star of David removed

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Speaker 12: and a big Nazi swastik is is stuck in the middle.

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Speaker 6: Well of surprise, surprise, he's been arrested in charge and

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Speaker 6: now he's pleaded.

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Speaker 12: Guilty to display to knowingly displaying a Nazi symbol in public.

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Speaker 6: That's against the law.

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Speaker 12: And now that he's another muppet, isn't he because he's

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Speaker 12: put out the standard stop standard statement. I'm not an

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Speaker 12: anti said mind, I'm passionate about supporting diversity inequality, but

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Speaker 12: I left my brains near the front door and I

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Speaker 12: left home that day. But it's too late for him

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Speaker 12: because brands like Mom, the Champagne Kings, Goldman Sachs and

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Speaker 12: others have severed every time they've got with the Nomad Group,

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Speaker 12: and I don't think it stopped there.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, I'll tell you what. How much is a Tim

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Speaker 3: Tam with you people?

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Speaker 6: Now? Well, there's the thing.

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Speaker 12: It's a story that's been confected again part from the pun.

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Speaker 12: But Tim Tams were on sale in coals and with

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Speaker 12: the big science. Oh half price, they're three dollars. Ooh well,

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Speaker 12: a journal for Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.

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Speaker 6: He went in there. It popped it out on x

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Speaker 6: which was formerly Twitter. What about six dollars? Tim Tams?

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Speaker 6: Everyone's going nuts? How dare they?

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Speaker 12: I mean, this is an Australian confection. Anyway, It feeds

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Speaker 12: into this narrative. Once upon a time in Australia, the

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Speaker 12: bank's head were the baskets. Now we're busy bashing up

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Speaker 12: and with very good reason on the back of this inquiry.

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Speaker 12: This year, supermarkets have been fleecing us. They've been saying,

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Speaker 12: you know, have this fantastic deal half price, but you know,

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Speaker 12: guess what a minute ago it was. You know, they've

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Speaker 12: just been scamming us. And there's very a significant parliamentary

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Speaker 12: inquiry found just that, and now halil.

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Speaker 6: That feeds into the narrative. Now supermarkets, the ones that

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Speaker 6: we hate this week.

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Speaker 3: Are there three bucks.

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Speaker 6: First apparently, but you can get them for three dollars.

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Speaker 3: All three dollars is a bargain moss because you can

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Speaker 3: go to New World in New Zealand and pay five

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Speaker 3: dollars fifty for them for Tim Tams.

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Speaker 6: Really, how are you get in the packet a dozen?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't counted them. But I can

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Speaker 3: do that for you, because that'll give me an excuse

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Speaker 3: to buy it. I call it research. I call it

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Speaker 3: research for you.

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Speaker 6: And you know what it is?

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Speaker 3: Biscuit Thursday at work today, Thanks Laura. So we'll go

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Speaker 3: out and have a look after five o'clock and i'll

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Speaker 3: find out for your come back to you. Murray Old's

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Speaker 3: Australia correspondent, Geez, I love biscuit Thursday at work. It's

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Speaker 3: honestly something like today. At around I was walking to

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Speaker 3: the gym this morning, I thought it's biscuit Thursday. It's midday.

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Speaker 3: I was really thinking about what was going to happen

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Speaker 3: at five o'clock. How sad is that I'm pregnant.

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Speaker 1: I'm allowed Quarter two politics with centrics credit, check your

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Speaker 1: customers and get payments?

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Speaker 2: Certainty, very sore.

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Speaker 3: Senior political correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon, heathero.

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Speaker 3: Prime minister's in some war and is it straight to

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Speaker 3: the wreckage?

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Speaker 13: Well, you know the thing is, I found the Prime

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Speaker 13: minister's statement that he didn't want the Chogham to be

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Speaker 13: dominated by the sunken naval vessel off the coast of Sabor.

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Speaker 14: So what does he do?

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Speaker 13: As soon as he touches down, he goes straight to

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Speaker 13: the headquarters that has been set up for the aftermath

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Speaker 13: of the sunken vessel, and that's where he did. His

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Speaker 13: first stand up was at that headquarters. So at least

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Speaker 13: the first few hours of his visit are certainly being

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Speaker 13: dominated by the vessel. This is what he had to say.

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Speaker 9: Now, our focus is jointly, we're working towards mitigating any

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Speaker 9: environmental impact. As you know, we're trying to mitigate and

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Speaker 9: dissipate any minor leaks that are coming out through venting pipes.

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Speaker 9: The good news as those primary fuel tanks are intact,

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Speaker 9: and we'll talk about how we've removed that very very shortly.

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Speaker 9: But then obviously our focus has been making sure there's

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Speaker 9: no debris. There's been clearly no loss of marine life,

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Speaker 9: there's been no pollution on shore. We've removed the containers,

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Speaker 9: the three containers that were actually on the reef. So

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Speaker 9: now we move to a different phase, and that phase

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Speaker 9: is working with our insurers and our selvers to make

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Speaker 9: sure that we get a safe uplift of the fuel

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Speaker 9: out of the out of the ship, and we do

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Speaker 9: that as quickly as we can.

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Speaker 13: Still is not a good look, is it for New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: I mean, here we are with Commonwealth leaders and we've

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Speaker 13: got the sunk naval vessel off the coast.

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Speaker 3: Well, to be fair though, pretty accurate reflection of what's

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Speaker 3: going on in the country, and we had a pylon

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Speaker 3: come down. We're running the ferries into the ground the

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Speaker 3: whole time. It's only fair that we sink a boat

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Speaker 3: over there as well.

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Speaker 13: But it's not causing pollution, it's just laying at the

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Speaker 13: bottom of the boat.

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Speaker 3: It might be causing a little bit.

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Speaker 13: And it's costing the taxpayer of course, an absolute arm

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Speaker 13: and a leg. But anyway, he'll move on from that

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Speaker 13: and he'll meet the UK Prime Minister, first time he's

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Speaker 13: met him, so kias Starmer later today, and he'll also

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Speaker 13: meet King Charles. He's never met him before other so

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Speaker 13: it'll be a big day for him. I'm not sure

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Speaker 13: there he's meeting King Charles today, but he'll no doubt

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Speaker 13: rubbed shoulders with him, because that's what they always do

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Speaker 13: it these sorts of gatherings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so big deal's been made of the cost of

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Speaker 3: the public service redundancies, right, because it's about eighty million

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Speaker 3: bucks in counting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's essentially the public service spokesperson for the Labor

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Speaker 13: Party that's done the sums. That's none other than Aicheverril.

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Speaker 13: She asked every ministry for the total sum of redundancy

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Speaker 13: payments made to staff and they mount to just over

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Speaker 13: eighty million dollars so far. But the point that Nikola

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Speaker 13: willis made, and I think it was a fair point,

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Speaker 13: that is small beer when you consider the one point

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Speaker 13: five billion dollars which she claims will be saved as

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Speaker 13: a result of the public service being cut or peered

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Speaker 13: back to where it was maybe a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: These arguments are always done because anybody who's ever been

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Speaker 3: made redundant or made anybody redund knows there's an upfront

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Speaker 3: cost and then you save a lot of money.

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Speaker 6: Yes exactly.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, you know, the Minister of Social Development, they

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Speaker 13: are the highest redundancy payments. They are almost fifteen million

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Speaker 13: dollars aroung A Tamaiki and maybe that's the problem that

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Speaker 13: we're facing at that particular organization. They paid out eight

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Speaker 13: and a half million dollars and stats they come in

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Speaker 13: at third and just on eight million dollars. So a

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Speaker 13: lot of money has been handed out to these public servants.

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Speaker 13: You'd wonder why the housing market isn't better and willing.

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Speaker 7: To know at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what has Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister, had to

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Speaker 3: say about what the Marori Party said yesterday about defending

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Speaker 3: the rights of the gangs.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I just find the statement by Raillery white to Tea,

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Speaker 13: the co leader of the Maori Party, absolutely absurd. He's

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Speaker 13: labeled a police sponsored terrorism in a polto key and

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Speaker 13: Mark Mitchell. He's come out today and he said that

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Speaker 13: even though it's been claimed by white toy Tea that

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Speaker 13: the homes were violated on a hunch, he said they

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Speaker 13: obviously had good intelligence to go in and mount these raids.

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Speaker 13: And he said because there were twenty eight arrests, eight

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Speaker 13: hundred thousand dollars worth of assets seized and firearms and drugs,

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Speaker 13: so it wasn't just on a whim or on a

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Speaker 13: hunch that whitey Tea would have us believe. And what

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Speaker 13: it does is it costs a cloud over the Maldi

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Speaker 13: Party itself. I mean, what are they in politics for?

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Speaker 13: Are they there to represent gangs in this country? I

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Speaker 13: mean these people pedal misery.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the people of a politic that the

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Speaker 3: Malori Party has come up with a wacky idea though, Barry,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much, because there's been a run of

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Speaker 3: them lately. Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent, seven away from five, putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 15: Breakfast, and the order to General has been looking into

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Speaker 15: our ageation systems, specifically inequality, basically why some kids do

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Speaker 15: well at school and others don't. The Education Minister Erica

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Speaker 15: Stamford's with us.

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Speaker 16: And the report is just another report telling us the

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Speaker 16: same thing that we've known for a really long time.

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Speaker 16: That talks about what Erro's been saying for ages about

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Speaker 16: not having consistent nationwide picture of student achievement and progress.

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Speaker 16: It talked about a lack of data evidence. Anything that

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Speaker 16: we're doing basically says all of the things that we've

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Speaker 16: known for a long time that no one's been able

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Speaker 16: to tackle.

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Speaker 2: But luckily all of.

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Speaker 16: The recommendations, basically some of my six point action plans.

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Speaker 16: Perhaps that's been one good sake about.

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Speaker 15: It back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 15: with the Rain drove the laugh News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what this says about our ability

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Speaker 3: to count? What if we ben? What did maths and

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Speaker 3: schools teach us? This is without a lie, without the

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Speaker 3: word of a lie. There's three texts in a row, right,

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Speaker 3: one after the other for me. Hither there are eight

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Speaker 3: Timtams in a packet. Hither there are nine Tim Tams

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Speaker 3: in a packeted pack and save Hither there are ten

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Speaker 3: in a packet of Tim Tams. Well, which is it eight,

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Speaker 3: nine or ten? Go and count it. Don't tell me

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Speaker 3: what you think. Go get the package of Tim Tams,

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Speaker 3: count it, and then you can have one as a

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Speaker 3: treat once you let me know. And also the reason

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Speaker 3: it's so expensive is again I'm getting a lot of

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Speaker 3: text saying, oh, it's only three dollars fifty and ranging

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Speaker 3: and right and stuff. Listen where we are in Central Auckland,

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Speaker 3: because I did a little Google search and that'll GEO

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Speaker 3: locate me just down the road from Victoria Park New World,

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Speaker 3: which I think famously is one of the most expensive

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Speaker 3: supermarkets in the country. So that's why it's a lot

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Speaker 3: of rich people live around there, so they like double

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Speaker 3: the price of the tim Tams. They'll buy it. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Listen just really quickly, because we're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: this later on. There are more complaints about David Seymour's

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Speaker 3: food and schools program. You're gonna love this one. I

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Speaker 3: came this time. The complaints are about the packaging, because

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Speaker 3: the packages are wasteful aluminum trays and non compostible packaging.

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Speaker 3: Teachers and sustainability advocates are dismayed that the government's new

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Speaker 3: program prioritizes cost cutting over environmental integrity, undermining years of

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Speaker 3: sustainability education and delivering millions of meals a week in

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Speaker 3: waste for packaging. Think of the mountain of rubbish, et cetera. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the guy complaining about it, James Calvert, is with us.

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Speaker 3: In twenty minutes time, quarter Past will be with us.

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Speaker 3: Talk to Auckland Transport next about what they're going to

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Speaker 3: do to keep people safe on the buses. News talk saidb.

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Speaker 1: OH News, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's hither Dupice Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news Talk.

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Speaker 2: Said be.

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Speaker 6: Good.

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Speaker 17: Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Police had arrested the man who allegedly stabbed a woman

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Speaker 3: on a bus in Auckland yesterday. He's handed himself in

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Speaker 3: at the North Shore Police station this afternoon. The woman

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Speaker 3: passed away a few hours after the unprovoked attack. Police

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Speaker 3: believe it was completely random. Stacy vander Putten is Auckland

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Speaker 3: Transport's Director of Public Transport High Stacy, Hello, what are

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Speaker 3: you guys going to do on buses?

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Speaker 18: Well, while what we are doing with definitely out there

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Speaker 18: in forced, so they in terms of having had transport

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Speaker 18: officers more visible across the network, particularly in that area,

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Speaker 18: we put a lot of initiatives in lately and honestly,

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Speaker 18: what we're seeing is it's concerning to us right in

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Speaker 18: terms of that there's these really deep society or issues

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Speaker 18: out there and no amount of different initiatives that kind

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Speaker 18: of affects that we need to understand why these things

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Speaker 18: are happening in the first place.

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Speaker 3: You're putting more offices on is it just Route seventy

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Speaker 3: four nothing else?

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Speaker 18: Well, we deploy based on intelligence that we collect across

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Speaker 18: the network. So we have a limited poll of people

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Speaker 18: and so we deploy them based and we're just needed

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Speaker 18: at each point in time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's just on seventy four.

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Speaker 18: No, No, they're across the network, but oh ranked up

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Speaker 18: today in terms of the presence in that particular area

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Speaker 18: because we know that the communities are obviously no devastated

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Speaker 18: by what's happened. So we're just making sure that we

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Speaker 18: have as many people as possible within the area to

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Speaker 18: show our support.

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Speaker 3: Is this known to be a problematic route? So do

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Speaker 3: you get a lot of trouble on this?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 18: Not gingly, And I mean that's the thing, right in

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Speaker 18: terms of that what we're seeing that there's sporadic across

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Speaker 18: the network is what we see. We put initiatives in

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Speaker 18: different places, and we work with communities to be able

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Speaker 18: to overcome when we see we're called patterns of behavior,

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Speaker 18: but it shifts around. It really does in depth concerning

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Speaker 18: because there's only so much we can do. It's a

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Speaker 18: problem in terms of their antisocial behavior. I mean, the

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Speaker 18: vast majority of people are really really well. Behaviors are

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Speaker 18: tiny issues compared to what we generally see in terms

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Speaker 18: of people moving across their network. I mean, this one's

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Speaker 18: devastating for us. We're really upset by it, and it

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Speaker 18: hearts broken for the families.

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Speaker 3: Stacey, which kind of brings me to the point that

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Speaker 3: I was making at the very start of the program.

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Speaker 3: It really doesn't matter. I mean, you guys do not

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Speaker 3: have the resources to be able to deal with every

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Speaker 3: single problem on every single bus, on every single route,

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Speaker 3: every single minute of the day. Right, It's just not possible.

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Speaker 3: So stuff like this, We're going to have to deal

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Speaker 3: with this in another way, aren't whe whether it's putting

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Speaker 3: these people in the slammer or getting mental health support

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Speaker 3: or whatever.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely, I mean it's going to require a whole array

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Speaker 18: of different resources to overcome what we're seeing. I mean,

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Speaker 18: we need to look at these issues and understand why

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Speaker 18: they're occurring in the first place, and you know what

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Speaker 18: we can all do to support family skills communities to

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Speaker 18: be strong, resilient and proud. And that required everybody to

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Speaker 18: be prognissant about what's happening and everybody to be able

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Speaker 18: to support some initiatives there.

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Speaker 3: Stacy, Good luck with that. Thanks so much, mate, that.

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Speaker 3: Stacy vander Putten, who is the Director of Public Transport

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Speaker 3: at Auckland Transport ten past.

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Speaker 2: Five together do for Sea LA the chief on.

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Speaker 3: Woodsman has had another crack at ordering Ahamitiki, this time

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Speaker 3: for receiving multiple reports that a mum's partner was abusing

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Speaker 3: her very young kids, and despite even having photos, OT

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Speaker 3: didn't investigate this properly. Peter bowches with us right now.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Peter, good afternoon here, Peter.

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Speaker 3: These kids are safe now, aren't they.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 10: The assurance given to me is that they have been

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Speaker 10: moved from the abuse of home where they were to

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Speaker 10: the care of their father, and there is a safety

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Speaker 10: plan in place. There's been a previous safety plan in

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Speaker 10: place here. I just hope this one works better than

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Speaker 10: the last one did.

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Speaker 3: Now the photos, in particular, how compelling was the evidence

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Speaker 3: that these kids were being abused? And this is evidence

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Speaker 3: that was given to OT.

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Speaker 10: When there are multiple complaints of the sort here, including

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Speaker 10: from the children's own lawyer. This evidence should have been compelling.

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Speaker 10: At the very least, there should have been a responsible,

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Speaker 10: in depth investigation. You know, I had hoped, either after

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Speaker 10: I did my report on the death of Malachi Shuebex

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Speaker 10: two years ago, and the assurance was forgiven by oring

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Speaker 10: a Tamariki, that there would be dramatic change, and yet

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Speaker 10: this has happened. And so the reason I've gone so

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Speaker 10: public on this is that I just need accountability in

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Speaker 10: situations where children are being abused, and in this case,

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Speaker 10: one was even psychologically and physically abused by being kidnapped

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Speaker 10: and or rung A Tomriki stood on the sideline and watched,

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Speaker 10: so to speak to me, it's maladministration and it's not acceptable.

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Speaker 3: Did they do any kind of investigation? Did they do anything?

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Speaker 3: They got these.

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Speaker 10: Reports, they did a cursory examination and investigation. It wasn't enough.

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Speaker 10: They were inclined to be dismissive when one of the

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Speaker 10: family members, another family member applied to the family court

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Speaker 10: because or ing A Tamariki wasn't it seems taking a

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Speaker 10: set of action to compound the pestilence. Or ring A

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Speaker 10: Tomaeriki filed a report for the family court that misled

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Speaker 10: the judge about the nature of the harm, in other words,

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Speaker 10: that it didn't put the true nature of the harm

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Speaker 10: and reality. And I found that very very disturbing.

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Speaker 3: Have you lost complete confidence in these guys?

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Speaker 10: Well, what I want to say about confidence is that

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Speaker 10: you earn It's it's the same with the job I do.

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Speaker 10: It's the same job that anyone does ordering a tamariki

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Speaker 10: needs to obtain New Zealand's confidence. There are elements and

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Speaker 10: sights which work well. There are some where you don't

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Speaker 10: know what's going to happen, and this is a site

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Speaker 10: where we will need to have our confidence restored. I'm

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Speaker 10: going to lock during the time I've got left in

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Speaker 10: the job at measures of performance and measures of success.

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Speaker 10: If complaints continue at this rate, they've got an awful

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Speaker 10: long way to go before they obtain my confidence, and

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Speaker 10: I think the public's confidence.

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Speaker 3: Peter, thanks very much for talking to us about that.

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Speaker 3: That's Peter Bowsher, the chief onwardsman. Ever, I love the

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Speaker 3: number of people who I said, go count your tim Tams.

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Speaker 3: It just went into the kitchen and had some tim

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Speaker 3: Tams to count. If you'd ask me this yesterday morning,

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Speaker 3: I would have gone and counted the tim Tams. But

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Speaker 3: there's not one left or gobbled up. Heather, It's definitely eight.

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Speaker 3: It says it on the packet. Heither, I just counted

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Speaker 3: the tim tams. Eleven tim Tams in a packet. Hither,

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Speaker 3: I've just opened the packet. There is definitely only eight.

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Speaker 3: I failed school cert maths, but I can count to ten.

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Speaker 3: Hither I just counted my packet. Mine has eleven bought

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Speaker 3: at masts in and pack and save. Now this is

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna assume that no one's lying to me,

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Speaker 3: and that there are in fact some packets with eight

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Speaker 3: and some packets with eleven. And I have an explanation

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Speaker 3: for why this is. According to Ryan, it's because there

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Speaker 3: are nine. He says nine to eleven. But now we

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Speaker 3: find out eight to eleven shrink flation, cost of living crisis,

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Speaker 3: cut some stuff here and there nine to eleven Tim

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Speaker 3: Tams or eight to eleven Tim Tams, depending on the

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Speaker 3: bougie flavor. So apparently some of your flavors that you're

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Speaker 3: buying of your Tim Tams have got like double wafers

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Well you can't fit as much.

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Speaker 3: And if you've got a double wafer when you've got

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Speaker 3: a single wafer, so that reduces the number of Tim

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Speaker 3: Tams that you've got in your packet. And speaking of

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Speaker 3: shrink flation, can I just am I the only person

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Speaker 3: who noticed what's going on with the coffee? Because I

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Speaker 3: notice what's going on with the coffee because we make

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Speaker 3: coffee at home. So you buy the packet of espresso

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Speaker 3: grind blah blah. I see your sawdust in there. I

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Speaker 3: know what you're doing, right, because beforehand it was all

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Speaker 3: just lovely, thick, brown, beautiful coffee. Now I see all

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Speaker 3: those little bits of sawdusty things, and now I reckon

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Speaker 3: what they do. And I'm not going to name names

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Speaker 3: because I could be defaming and then I get sued

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Speaker 3: and I don't have money for that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: But I reckon what they're doing is the throwings and

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Speaker 3: crap in there as well. So when you go make

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Speaker 3: you do? What can you do about this being ripped off?

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Speaker 3: Quarter past hey, The BYD Shark six super hybrid is

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Speaker 3: officially here and it is ready to take a bite

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Some people are calling it the most important vehicle launch

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Speaker 3: only fifty are left for retail buyers. If you're still

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886
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Speaker 3: BYD have officially changed the game here. The future is

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Speaker 3: electric and it is here. The BYD Shark six is

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892
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Speaker 3: your BYD dealer, and they are also offering a full

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Speaker 2: Ever, do for Ce Allen right, it's coming up.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past five. Now, there are more complaints about David

899
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Speaker 3: Seymore's changes to the school lunches program. This time it's

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Speaker 3: over the packaging, because the new lunches come in quote,

901
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Speaker 3: wasteful aluminum trays and non compostible packaging. Co founder of

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Speaker 3: Eco where James Calver is with us on this. Hey,

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Speaker 3: James Hey, here.

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Speaker 2: How are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you mate. So was this your first thought when

906
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Speaker 3: you saw the lunches being served up at Parliament on Tuesday?

907
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Speaker 3: Bad packaging? I wasn't the first thought, no second thought.

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Speaker 17: I didn't actually count, but it was definitely a deep

909
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Speaker 17: thought and a consideration.

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Speaker 3: What's your concern about the aluminium because I've what aliminium

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Speaker 3: is recyclable.

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Speaker 17: And what way did you think it was recyclable at

913
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Speaker 17: a national level?

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Speaker 3: Well, don't know. I just thought it was recyclable, is

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Speaker 3: it not.

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Speaker 17: I don't really have concerns about the aluminium specifically, just uh,

917
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Speaker 17: you know, essentially, what we're kind of dealing with is

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Speaker 17: two of the world's most severe and I guess challenging

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Speaker 17: crisises that into relate and we've got food and water,

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Speaker 17: and we've got an environmental kind of race. And I

921
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Speaker 17: just wanted to kind of bring to front of mind

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Speaker 17: the fact that, you know, we've spent four four or

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Speaker 17: so years with a program educating you know, key week

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Speaker 17: heads and feeding them with nutritious lunches, and then too,

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Speaker 17: you know, look at it in a in a more

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Speaker 17: narrow mindset and rule out the kind of future generations

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Speaker 17: in terms of you know, considering environmental impact was worth

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Speaker 17: a discussion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So the bottom bit of the tray is aluminium,

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Speaker 3: and then the top bit that goes on the lid.

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Speaker 6: What is that.

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Speaker 17: I'm not supplying it, but I would assume that it

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Speaker 17: would be a painerboard was potentially a polypropylene or a.

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Speaker 3: Plastic lining, and that's not compossible, is it.

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Speaker 17: I'm actually not sure because at the moment we're stilso

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Speaker 17: flying and growing number of the school lunch programs.

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Speaker 3: The only reason I'm asking you this to, James, is

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Speaker 3: because your press release is wasteful aluminium trays and non

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Speaker 3: compostible packaging.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, so I just wanted to understand the concept of

941
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Speaker 17: how you thought it was recyclable because at the national level,

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Speaker 17: my understanding is that there is a you know, limiteds

943
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Speaker 17: for limited ability and infrastructure to essentially recycle contaminated alminium trades.

944
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Speaker 17: And I don't see and I don't see a way

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Speaker 17: that schools can wash or off.

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Speaker 3: The elemention just setting up another aluminium recycling plant.

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Speaker 17: I think he's making cans for fity drinks, isn't it.

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Speaker 17: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, James, I've got to ask this question, right,

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Speaker 3: is the reason that you're upset about this because you've

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Speaker 3: lost business because you were doing eco friendly packaging previously

952
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Speaker 3: for the schools.

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Speaker 17: We haven't lost any business. We've actually been essentially involved

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Speaker 17: with a program since inception and have a role. But

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Speaker 17: I guess the government's previous instructions and have been you know,

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Speaker 17: kind of cool.

957
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Speaker 3: So you're not going to lose any business. You're going

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Speaker 3: to continue to supply packaging for this program.

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Speaker 17: To the best of my knowledge, right now, we're to grow,

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Speaker 17: and we're growing in a sustainable way, but we're also

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Speaker 17: educating children for a you know, a sustainable future. But

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Speaker 17: at the same time, I just want to understand the

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Speaker 17: cost cuts that you are considering or talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: how many school lunch school lunches were sent out this year?

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Speaker 17: How many will be sent out next year?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 17: Tell me, I'm asking. I'm not sure. But I just

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Speaker 17: wanted to understand the reference of the one hundred and

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Speaker 17: sixty five million dollars cost saving.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 6: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Did I say one hundred and sixty five million dollar

973
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Speaker 3: cost saving or the slaving.

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Speaker 17: In your reference yesterday? And I just wanted to do understand.

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Speaker 3: James listening a long time listener, first time caller. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, James, the hostile James calv E coo ware

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Speaker 3: five two.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

979
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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected the news talks, said be Niicola.

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Speaker 3: Willis has announced that public public service bosses performance pay

982
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Speaker 3: is going to be back by next budget. So we'll

983
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Speaker 3: have a chat about that in about twelve minutes time

984
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Speaker 3: five twenty five. Can we say it now? It might

985
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Speaker 3: be a bit early, but let's just start saying it.

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Speaker 3: Karmala Harris was a mistake. The Democrats should never have

987
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: picked her to run against Trump. I mean, obviously never

988
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: say never, but it is obviously becoming more and more likely,

989
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: isn't it that Trump He's going to win in a

990
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks time I said this to you last week.

991
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Speaker 3: He is too close behind her in the swing state.

992
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Speaker 3: He will overperform like he usually does in those swing

993
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Speaker 3: states on the night and then he's going to take

994
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Speaker 3: them and that gives them the numbers he needs to win.

995
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 3: But you don't have to take my word for it,

996
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: because what do I know. What about Nate Silver, a

997
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: US selection Wizarit today saying his gut says Trump wins.

998
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: What about the economist saying Trump wins with a fifty

999
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Speaker 3: four percent likelihood compared to krmla's likelihood at forty five percent.

1000
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: What about Wall Street Journal poll out today giving Trump

1001
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: a narrow lead with voters here they have a more

1002
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: positive view of him and a more negative view of Karmela.

1003
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Speaker 3: And then you've got reports that the Democrats are panicking

1004
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: over the fact that they think he's going to win. Now,

1005
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: this was actually, if you cast your mind back, predictable,

1006
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: because when there was all that talk of Biden's stepping down,

1007
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: loads of people said, whatever you do, Democrats, don't p Karmela.

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Speaker 3: She won't win. She hasn't got what it takes, public

1009
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: don't like her, doesn't know how to campaign. And there

1010
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: was that flurry she got picked anyway, and then there

1011
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: was that flurry of excitement and she got all this momentum.

1012
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: But if you took a step back at the time,

1013
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: which we did, which we did do at the time,

1014
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Speaker 3: and we did say that excitement was about the thought

1015
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Speaker 3: of her the thought that she was going to be

1016
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Speaker 3: the first black woman to become the president, and that

1017
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 3: was really exciting, but the actual her remained the same boring, uncharismatic,

1018
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Speaker 3: annoying voice, word salads, couldn't campaign, and that excitement was

1019
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: always going to fade when people actually got to know her.

1020
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Speaker 3: And people have got to know her, and the excitement

1021
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: has predictably faded, as I say, totally predictable. If he

1022
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Speaker 3: wins in a couple of weeks, which it looks like

1023
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Speaker 3: he's going to, then we can say Carmela was a.

1024
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Speaker 2: Mistake I'd ever do to see Ellen.

1025
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Speaker 3: Was that interview with James the weirdest interview that we've had,

1026
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Speaker 3: like all year, and we're ten months, we're ten months

1027
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: that we can say that now that's a fool that's

1028
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Speaker 3: getting close to it.

1029
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Speaker 2: It was weird.

1030
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Speaker 3: A I don't really know what his point was. So

1031
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: he was complaining in the press release about the aluminum trays,

1032
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: but then couldn't tell us that eliminium is not recyclable,

1033
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 3: and that he was complaining about the non compostible packaging,

1034
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 3: but then he didn't know if it was actually compostible,

1035
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Speaker 3: and then he was complaining about the fact that the

1036
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Speaker 3: government decidelinings stainability, but absolutely no knock to his business,

1037
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Speaker 3: which is to provide sustainability packaging. So if there's no

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Speaker 3: if there's no decrease in sustainable packaging, and we don't

1039
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: know if it's impossible and it's maybe recyclable, was the problem? No,

1040
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Speaker 3: I don't know. It was fun, wasn't it. It was

1041
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Speaker 3: kind of interesting headlines.

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Speaker 1: Next hard questions, Strong opinion ever due for see Allen

1043
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news

1044
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: talk as it'd be.

1045
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Speaker 6: We were.

1046
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Speaker 16: Not fast, but the hut was standing.

1047
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Speaker 3: By this evening it's Allie Jones and Jordan Williams and

1048
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: after six o'clock we need to talk about power. Remember

1049
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: how all those those mills shut, the mills in Rupe

1050
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: who and the mill in Penrose and Auckland, they wore

1051
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: like all the power prices are too high. That's why. Well,

1052
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: there's some evidence to suggest if you if you were

1053
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: already like it's a little suspicious because you know, pulp

1054
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: prices were down and things like that, and maybe that

1055
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Speaker 3: was actually what was going on. Well we've got some

1056
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Speaker 3: more evidence to suggest it. Hm, it was quite suspicious.

1057
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: So anyway, I run you across that talk about it

1058
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: after six right now, it's twenty three away from six.

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Speaker 2: Hever duple.

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Speaker 6: See.

1061
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Speaker 3: The government is bringing back performance pay for public sector bosss.

1062
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Speaker 3: Finance Minister Nicola Willis it has been a little cagy

1063
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Speaker 3: on exactly when this will come in, but the Public

1064
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Speaker 3: Service Commission is working on it and a new system

1065
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: should be in place by the middle of next year.

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Speaker 3: The last government Labor got rid of performance pay in

1067
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, saying the chief executives were getting paid too much.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Plummer is an associate professor at Victoria Victoria University

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Speaker 3: School of Management and with US.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Jeff, hi, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you. You like the idea.

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Speaker 19: I think if it's done well, it can work. But

1073
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 19: there's lots of studies that have found performance pay in

1074
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Speaker 19: the public sector can be disastrous. So I'd really argue

1075
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Speaker 19: against an ideological approach that it's a great idea or

1076
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Speaker 19: it's a terrible idea. Do it well, think it through,

1077
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Speaker 19: work out how it's going to be gained, or it

1078
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Speaker 19: might be gamed, and manage that.

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00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So how do you do it so it doesn't

1080
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Speaker 3: get gamed.

1081
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Speaker 19: I think you need to have really good measures. You

1082
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Speaker 19: need to audit them, make sure they're reliable. You need

1083
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Speaker 19: to update them occasionally as well. That seems to help

1084
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Speaker 19: and reducing gaming. And you need to design them ideally

1085
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Speaker 19: with sort of the industry or the sector of the

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Speaker 19: experts in mind, so you think about what's realistic and

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00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 19: think through how people might react to them.

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: Is there evidence that it does actually sharpen the minds

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Speaker 3: of the bosses and get them to deliver what they're

1090
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: supposed to deliver.

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Speaker 2: It does, absolutely.

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Speaker 19: It focuses attention, directs energy and the level of effort

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00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 19: put into them, and it can also cut their level

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Speaker 19: of political interference. Chief executives say, sorry, minister, I'm not

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00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 19: your valet. I actually have to do this work to

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Speaker 19: meet my performance targets. So it can have quite a

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Speaker 19: few good positive effects, all right.

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Speaker 3: The trouble of courses, For example, if you do it

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Speaker 3: in the medical system and you say one of your

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00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 3: targets is that you move people through eat within six hours,

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00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 3: they start booting them out too quickly and they're not

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Speaker 3: ready to be moved on right, that that kind of

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Speaker 3: gaming can happen.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, you make you insist on a certain number of

1105
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 19: elective surgeries well through there is and fast ones and

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00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 19: leave vulnerable people with serious complications untreated. The kind of

1107
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 19: risks your manager.

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00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: The available options for how to game that must be

1109
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 3: so huge. How can you possibly design a system that

1110
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: catches all of it?

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Speaker 19: Well, my guess is you'd think about it very carefully

1112
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 19: about the type of operation, so you specify them in

1113
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 19: terms of not just elective surgery, but these types of surgery.

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00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 19: You might classify them in times of difficult in terms

1115
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Speaker 19: of difficulty as well. So by breaking them up more

1116
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 19: than those you can manage that that kind of risk.

1117
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 19: But it does get complicated, and so taking a view

1118
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Speaker 19: that it works in the private sector will work in

1119
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 19: the public sector is a really silly idea. But equally,

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Speaker 19: just saying doesn't work here. We're special, we're different, Trust

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00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 19: us noble public servants. That doesn't really work that well either.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, thanks for talking us, sir. It really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: As Jeff Plummer, Associate Professor at Victoria University School of

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Speaker 3: Management to the Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand southerba's International Realty, local and global exposure like

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Speaker 1: no other.

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Speaker 3: The Huddle of that us this evening and you've got

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Ali Jones have

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Speaker 3: read pr Hello you too, Jordan. Are you into the

1130
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: performance pay?

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00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 20: Well, obviously from taxpayers perspective, but of course per hour

1132
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 20: public servants are already paid twenty one twenty two percent

1133
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 20: more on average than the private sector. The problem is

1134
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 20: is that all of the stuff has always done on top.

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 20: To address your point about and quite right about if

1136
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 20: you incentivize out pots, you get outputs. So it is

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00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 20: you want to incentivize outcomes and that's a challenge across

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00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 20: the public.

1139
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Speaker 3: Are you suggesting because they're already paid so much more

1140
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: than the private sector, what you want to do is

1141
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Speaker 3: drop their bay pay and then put this on the top.

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00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 20: Yeah, especially at the chief executive level on Yeah.

1143
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: How much would you shave off their base pay?

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Speaker 20: Well, it depends on what the generosity of the of

1145
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 20: the performance payers, you know, I mean it's a little

1146
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 20: bit like a contrarian view that Taxpayers Union take. As

1147
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 20: you know, we don't we often brew hahaa about MP's

1148
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 20: pay because you've got no link to performance. Ever, we've

1149
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 20: got the worst. We don't take a Swiss approach. We

1150
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 20: pay nothing and get people philanthroping, and we don't take

1151
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 20: a Singapore approach where you generally get the best and brightest.

1152
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 20: We start on the middle much better actually in terms

1153
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 20: of the you want quality decisions, same as the chief

1154
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 20: executives your big agencies. It doesn't actually matter if you

1155
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 20: pay them a lot, but it's got to be contingent

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00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 20: on performance doing the job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, Allie?

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Speaker 21: Oh, I don't agree that it doesn't depend on what

1159
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 21: you pay them. I think, you know, you pay peanuts,

1160
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 21: you get monkeys. And I see that in local government

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00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 21: as well, So I think there has to be some

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00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 21: reflection of yeah, well, I think there needs to be

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Speaker 21: some reflection in ability, but and you know, and outputs.

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Speaker 22: But I do agree let's not be distracted by the increases.

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00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 21: They need close scrutiny, but you've got to look at

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00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 21: those base levels as well, which are absolutely ridiculous. At

1167
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 21: the moment, I thought that was really interesting what Jeff

1168
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 21: Plimmer said with regards to the gaming of it.

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Speaker 22: And I think that outputs and outcomes are very similar.

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00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 21: We saw it in christ Church with EQC, so you know,

1171
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 21: they had outputs or outcomes which were how many repairs

1172
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 21: they did and what did they do. They did all

1173
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 21: the painting first, so that was the stuff that showed

1174
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 21: that they were doing the work that they were doing,

1175
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 21: and all the hard stuff got left for a decade.

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Speaker 21: So your transparency's the key here too. There's got to

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Speaker 21: be transparency and that will help manage the gaming.

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Speaker 20: Of it reasonly the world in this area, Iranti, you

1179
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Speaker 20: need the old framework from the nineties around the statements

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Speaker 20: of performance expectations and the like. That's just was is

1181
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 20: basically now gone. And actually I think that I can't

1182
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Speaker 20: recall the former Minister of the Public Sector that did

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00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 20: all the reforms at Chris Hapkins and you know, got

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Speaker 20: rid of the sort of last at a performance. Bass

1185
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 20: all just gone back to sort of nineteen seventy style government.

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Speaker 3: It really has. They've lost their focus. All right, We're

1187
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: going to take a break, come back very short to

1188
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 3: talk about the attack on the bus in Auckland eighteen

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Speaker 3: away from six the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the Marketing of

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00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: your Home.

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Speaker 3: Back with a Huddle, Jordan Williams and Ali Joe's Ali

1193
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 3: this bus attack, right, this guy had a history of

1194
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 3: threatening people, breaching perogue, breaching his release conditions and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Isn't this a perfect example of somebody actually should have

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Speaker 3: been locked up to keep us safe.

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Speaker 21: No, it's not black and white, Heather. You know, what

1198
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 21: does being harder on crim's mean too? What's your harder

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Speaker 21: may not be my harder or Jordan's harder. I'm sure

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Speaker 21: there are people out there that would be happy to

1201
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 21: have people strung up in the village square, you know,

1202
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 21: return of the death penalty. This cannot be a one

1203
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 21: size fits all. You know, there are mental health issues,

1204
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 21: generational dysfunction, addiction, There's a whole lot of stuff that

1205
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 21: plays into these kinds of any criminal act.

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Speaker 22: Does any of that, Yes, it does, Yes, it does

1207
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Speaker 22: matter because.

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Speaker 3: Me okay, I just want to finish the sentence. Just

1209
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: want to say, does any of it matter when a

1210
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: woman is sitting on a bus next to someone that

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Speaker 3: she doesn't know and that someone allegedly stabs her to death?

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Speaker 21: Does it matters if you want it does matter if

1213
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 21: you want to try and stop it, if you think that, Yeah,

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00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 21: and what does that do to someone who's got mental health?

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Speaker 3: Is she's alive?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, But that's a revenge thing. Okay, do you want

1217
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 22: to stop this from happening?

1218
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 21: Do you want this to stop happening to other people

1219
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 21: or do you want to get this person?

1220
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 22: Because if you want to stop it.

1221
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 21: Happening to other people, you have to look at why

1222
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 21: it's happening and stop it from happening.

1223
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Speaker 20: And UTU is a totally legitimate objective.

1224
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 21: But not as a broad not as a broad brush

1225
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 21: stroke that is not going to answer your questions.

1226
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 22: There are people that answer the issue.

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Speaker 21: There are people that are quite happy with three meals

1228
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 21: a day and a roof over their head in prison.

1229
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Speaker 21: So if you think that just tarring everyone with the

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00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 21: same brush and making them in jail is.

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Speaker 20: Going to be a distances, I've got a rap sheet.

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Speaker 20: This guy's going to problem. Let we let them out

1233
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 20: the what was it threatened to kell?

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Speaker 3: Should have got so threatening to kill last year? Should

1235
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: be sentenced for two to seven years, but gets one

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00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: year seven months, which means because he's under the magic

1237
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: two years, he gets let out when he's served half

1238
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: of it, presumably served half of it while in custody

1239
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: on remand therefore the minuit he sentenced he's out again.

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Speaker 22: Ye, but you're making assumptions. You're making assumptions the public record.

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Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not.

1242
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Speaker 3: Even the end of it, Alley, No, I'm not his

1243
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: release conditions. He's back in court two weeks ago and hello,

1244
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: it's bail.

1245
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 21: You are making assumptions, though, that this is someone who

1246
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 21: can actually look at what's happening to them and the

1247
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 21: and the the action that has taken against them, process

1248
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 21: that in their brain, see that as something that has

1249
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 21: got No, I'm not saying it's not his fault. What

1250
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 21: I'm saying is if this person has got mental health issues,

1251
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 21: if this person has got a problem that chucking them

1252
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 21: in jail is not going to fit, then what the

1253
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 21: hell good is chucking them in jail?

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00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 4: Shake you?

1255
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: That is fundamentally the question. What good would it be

1256
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: to keep this guy in jail? It would save a

1257
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: woman's life.

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00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 21: Yeah, So what do you do about the next time

1259
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 21: when there's someone who's got a mental health issue and

1260
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 21: you chuck them in jail as well? Are you just

1261
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 21: going to shove everyone in jail and not actually help

1262
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 21: people out who have got a mental health or addiction issue.

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Speaker 20: If the sky was psychotic, he wouldn't have been convicted

1264
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 20: last time.

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Speaker 22: Well, I don't know that. Again, we're making assumptions.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know, Alie, if arguing on behalf of

1267
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: the alleged criminal is the right side of this argument.

1268
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Speaker 21: No, I'm arguing against an idea that I think is

1269
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 21: so black and white and philosophically blinked that it's dangerous.

1270
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 21: It is dangerous to tar everyone with the same brush.

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Speaker 22: I'm not saying.

1272
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 21: I mean, I feel terrible for this family and for

1273
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 21: this woman getting on a bus and traveling doing anything

1274
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 21: you should be able to do and feel safe.

1275
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 22: But this shoved them all in jail, and that will

1276
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 22: keep us all safe. Stuff is just bollot.

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00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 20: Well, I think threatened to kill, you know, close to

1278
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 20: get between two and seven years. You should get that.

1279
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 20: That's I don't think particularly radical. It does demonstrate, though,

1280
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 20: how hollow the government's talk is, including its changes to

1281
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 20: three strikes, that this chap wouldn't have even got the

1282
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 20: got a strike under this, under this new regime, and

1283
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 20: it illustrates the very reason that the three strikes should

1284
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 20: be there and it's been abandoned, is that it should

1285
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 20: trigger on the conviction, not the sentence.

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Speaker 22: Yes, Jordan, let me ask you this. Okay, let me

1287
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 22: just put this to you.

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01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 21: If this person went to jail and had been incarcerated

1289
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Speaker 21: for say seven years or the full length of the sentence,

1290
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 21: and then was released.

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Speaker 20: As they were unless they had a rap sheet first.

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01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 22: Okay, let me just finish.

1293
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 21: If someone went to jail for the period of time

1294
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 21: that you feel that they should have gone to jail,

1295
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 21: or that the law allows them to, but the issue

1296
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 21: is not shoving them in jail, and that will fix

1297
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 21: the problem. When they come out, they're back to the

1298
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 21: addiction or they're back to the mental health, and then

1299
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 21: they go on to kill hang on, and then they

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Speaker 21: go and kill someone else. What I'm saying is, what

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Speaker 21: good is shoving someone in jail if you are not

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Speaker 21: dealing with the problem that put them there in the

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Speaker 21: first place.

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Speaker 20: Let someone out an early release that breached the conditions,

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Speaker 20: and our system is so weak as water will let

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Speaker 20: you out.

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Speaker 3: That's not what I said to you, though you point ali,

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Speaker 3: and maybe I can answer it for you. Okay, So

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Speaker 3: he is more likely if they're right. We're making all

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Speaker 3: these assumptions about him that we don't know. But let's

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Speaker 3: assume that there are these issues, right, he is more

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Speaker 3: likely to get that assistance if he's in jail for

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Speaker 3: seven years than he is if he's in jail for

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Speaker 3: nine months, isn't he Because that's why I don't know.

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Speaker 22: What the rehabilitation and the mental health support is like.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the things that Mike Mitchell has rolled

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Speaker 3: out recently is all of this assistance for people who

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Speaker 3: are in jail. Right, But he's going to get absolutely

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Speaker 3: deadly squat if he's out on the out on the

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Speaker 3: streets just wandering around.

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Speaker 21: Okay, well, look, if they're going to get the support

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Speaker 21: and the help that they need while they're in prison, great,

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Speaker 21: that's a great place to it.

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Speaker 22: But again I don't know that that happens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hey, very quickly, I want to talk about these

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Speaker 3: complaints about David Seymour's lunch in schools programs getting ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. It's clutching its straws. What's more important to

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Speaker 3: you is it the price? Is it being able to

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Speaker 3: roll the food out at an affordable cost to the

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Speaker 3: kids or the aluminium trade?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: I mean, you kids starving, but you know, let them

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Speaker 20: eat cake as long as it's friendly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think Elie.

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Speaker 22: No, I don't think.

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Speaker 21: I think it shouldn't be either or I think we

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Speaker 21: should be able to feed kids. And I thought that

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Speaker 21: the beat up on the meals was ridiculous. Actually the

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Speaker 21: kids were saying, give me more. Great that that's your market.

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Speaker 21: But why should we not be leading by example here

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Speaker 21: and if they can produce something. Although I heard your

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Speaker 21: interview either, that was bizarre.

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Speaker 22: It was really weird.

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Speaker 21: But we should be practicing what we preach and should

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Speaker 21: we should be showing kids that you can do this

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Speaker 21: in a you know, an environmentally sustainable way. So, but

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Speaker 21: I still don't know whether we are or not after

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Speaker 21: that interview to you, No.

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Speaker 3: I've no bloody idea. I feel like it was just

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Speaker 3: a winch fest for the sake of it, which is

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Speaker 3: a lot of.

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Speaker 20: What is sounding to get the free biscuit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get It's biscuit Thursday. So I went and

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Speaker 3: got Jordan a biscuit and what was it? A chit chat?

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Speaker 3: Will't it? Those are good?

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Speaker 6: Eh?

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Speaker 13: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Hey, where's mine?

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Speaker 3: Sorry?

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Speaker 18: Sorry?

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Speaker 3: I would love to say that I would send it

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Speaker 3: down to you, But you know what, Ali, you don't

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01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 3: like rubber.

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Speaker 17: Too?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 3: You said, Ali, we have to lead by example. So

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to waste the climate miles on sending

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Speaker 3: you a chit chat by your own Thank you, guys appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams, Allie Jones a hudle this evening ate away

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Speaker 3: from six on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home. Heather Duple see allan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News

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Speaker 1: Talk zib.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So, anyway, hither Ali needs a drug test today?

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Speaker 3: Heither is Ali happy for the guy to go to

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Speaker 3: jail now because he's killed somebody? Is it okay now

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Speaker 3: to lock him up? Hither will Allie support the criminal

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 3: if he killed somebody in her family? Hither let's parole

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Speaker 3: the killer to be Allie's neighbor. Hither Ali Jones is

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Speaker 3: way off the base on this one, and so on

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Speaker 3: and so on. Now, look, I think what Ali's argument was, Look, okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give Ali the benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 3: on this that what her argument was was, if you're

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Speaker 3: going to chuck him in jail, then you have to

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Speaker 3: rehabilitate him. You can't put him in jail and hope

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Speaker 3: that he changes right, chuck him in jail and rehabilitate him.

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Speaker 3: Although I'm not entirely sure she was happy about the

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Speaker 3: jail thing, but I'm gonna assume that she's happy about

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Speaker 3: the jail thing. This is an and and this is

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Speaker 3: what we have to understand. It's an and and right.

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Speaker 3: I want this guy to be rehabilitated as well, but

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Speaker 3: I want him to be rehabilitated away from me and

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Speaker 3: everybody else and the lady on the bus. So in

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Speaker 3: jail is the best place for it. And listen to

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Speaker 3: Jordan's point, which he made very briefly just before. It

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Speaker 3: is a perfectly legitimate thing to call for punishment. That

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Speaker 3: is the point of the criminal justice system, the criminal

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Speaker 3: justice putting someone in jail. Let's just remember what this

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Speaker 3: is about. You put someone in jail not to make

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Speaker 3: them a better person. You put them in jail to

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Speaker 3: punish them. It is okay to punish someone. So look

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Speaker 3: more of that, please, I would really appreciate it. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Do you want some insight into how crazy the idea is?

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Speaker 3: Just speaking of crazy things, because it feels like it's

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Speaker 3: just like a lot of crazy lately. How crazy the

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Speaker 3: ideas are that have come out of Health New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Get a load of this, because that's never ending litany

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Speaker 3: of crazy things. Back in February, they were trying to

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Speaker 3: find ways to cut costs because they'd realized they were

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Speaker 3: in financial difficulty get health in New Zealand. So a

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Speaker 3: bunch of Health New Zealand leaders got together and they thought, okay,

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Speaker 3: how are we going to do it? And this is

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Speaker 3: the list that they put together. This is not the

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Speaker 3: comprehensive list, is just part of it. They thought about

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Speaker 3: reducing the food range, reducing the quality of the food

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: that they would give the patients and staff in cafeterias.

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Speaker 3: It might go somewhere to explaining the toast situation at

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Speaker 3: Wellington Hospital for the mums who've just given birth. They

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Speaker 3: thought about upping the price of food, presumably at the cafeterias,

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Speaker 3: cutting the meal allowances for the resident doctors, stopping staff

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Speaker 3: from attending conferences. That actually is a good idea. Imposing

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Speaker 3: higher parking charges, imposing higher parking fines, skimping on air conditioning.

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Speaker 3: But also, and this is where we hit the really

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Speaker 3: crazy stuff, charging you to.

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Speaker 6: Go to the ED.

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Speaker 3: So if you turned up there and you were like,

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Speaker 3: I think I'm having a heart attack, they'd be like, cool, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're going to deal with you, mister Williams. And then

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Speaker 3: it's going to cost you five hundred dollars for coming

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Speaker 3: to the ED like that. Mental I don't even know

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Speaker 3: if that's legally possible. Reduced access to IVF treatment, less

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Speaker 3: frequent dialysis, so if you've got a problem with your kidneys,

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Speaker 3: you're just going to be a bit more sick because

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Speaker 3: we're just not going to do the dialysis as often.

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Speaker 3: How crazy is this? And also a higher bar to

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Speaker 3: access care. By the way, they are apparently already doing

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Speaker 3: the air con rationing. Apparently at Middlemoor Hospital they're trialing

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01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 3: keeping the air con a little bit hotter. So some

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Speaker 3: of the crazy ideas made it through. Let's talk electricity next.

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Speaker 2: You've been tracked.

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Speaker 1: If we're the money as you are, with a business hour,

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01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: we'd head a duplicy Ellen and my hr on news

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Speaker 1: talks at me.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Rowena Duncan

1446
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: is going to talk through the AMP show kicking off today.

1447
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 3: Sam Dickey on the power of ads on the streaming

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 3: services because Netflix is doing it over in the US

1449
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 3: and their prime Amazon is doing it here and ender

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01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 3: Brady will be with us out of the UK seven

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Speaker 3: past six.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: On the subject of those mills closing this winter and

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Speaker 3: blaming electricity prices for it, it turns out they did

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Speaker 3: actually have the option to bring down their power bills.

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Speaker 3: The Electricity Authority has put out a report saying market

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Speaker 3: options were available to the big power users during this

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Speaker 3: winter's price spikes. Bridget Abinathy is the chief executive of

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Speaker 3: the Electricity Retailers Association and with US Haybridge it oh. Hi,

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Speaker 3: so are we basically calling BS on their claim that

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Speaker 3: the power was too expensive or not complete BS.

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Speaker 23: Look, I can't comment on the commercial arrangements of the

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Speaker 23: individual companies, but I think what the report shows is

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Speaker 23: that hedging options were available to industrial and commercial customers

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Speaker 23: right through that period of high volatility, and I think

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Speaker 23: that managing risk appropriately is an important part of operating

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Speaker 23: in a highly volatile wholesale electricity market.

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Speaker 3: How much cheaper were those options than what was available

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Speaker 3: on the.

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Speaker 23: Market, I think it's sort of shown on the The

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Speaker 23: EA report shows that they offered prices that overlapped with

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Speaker 23: the Assex curve. What I will say is, I think

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Speaker 23: we know that the hedge prices during that period were

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Speaker 23: higher than usual. But it's important to note that it's

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Speaker 23: it's like trying to find a mortgage when interest rates

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Speaker 23: are high.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't really understand what that means. So

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Speaker 3: how much cheaper would it have been if they if

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Speaker 3: they use the alternative options.

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Speaker 23: Well, I don't think I can answer that easily. It's

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Speaker 23: every individual company would have had different arrangements. I think

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Speaker 23: what the EA is trying to show is that the

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Speaker 23: prices that were offered were reasonable given the a sex curve.

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Speaker 23: I think that's the main point. I just want to

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Speaker 23: point out that we know that those prices were higher

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Speaker 23: than normal, but that's because the prices were high.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So as we can take that doesn't mean necessarily, though,

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Speaker 3: that their businesses would have been viable, right if they

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Speaker 3: had taken these because it was still high power prices.

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Speaker 3: All we can say. We can't say that it would

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Speaker 3: have saved them. We can't say that it would have

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Speaker 3: made their businesses, as I say, viable, but we just

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Speaker 3: can say it was cheaper than what they were doing.

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Speaker 23: I think, look, all industrial users in this country know

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Speaker 23: that our wholesale market is volatile because we depend upon

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 23: intermittent renewables like wind, solar and hydro, so the prices

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Speaker 23: go up to very high levels and they go down

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Speaker 23: very low. We know from the EA report that they

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Speaker 23: got as low as one dollar a mega watt on

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Speaker 23: the first of September. So I think the point is

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Speaker 23: that hedging is a really important risk management tool for

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Speaker 23: industrial users. Being under heedged can allow users to get

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01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 23: the benefit of lower prices, but it also carries the

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01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 23: risk that when those prices rise, as they did this winter,

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01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 23: that they are exposed to those prices too. And I

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01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 23: think it's really important. You know, it's a comment that

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 23: Minister Brown signaled in his recent government policy statement that

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Speaker 23: sophisticated consumers have to manage their risk appropriately given our

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Speaker 23: highly volatile market.

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Speaker 3: I mean, bridget Look, I guess the thing is what

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Speaker 3: we're arguing about is stuff on the margins, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: The truth of the matter is that we are no

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Speaker 3: longer a country where if you want to, if you

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 3: want to manufacture cheap stuff like this, where you can

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 3: do it because we're just too expensive. Isn't that the truth?

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01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 23: Look, I don't think I can.

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 6: I can.

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 23: I think the main comment from my perspective is that

1519
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 23: options are available to help manage risk. Yeah, and we

1520
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 23: know our wholesale market is volatile because we've made a

1521
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 23: choice to move toward renewable intermittent renewables, and that just

1522
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 23: means that we have greater volatility.

1523
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 6: I think.

1524
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 23: I look at the really good report done by a

1525
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 23: group called m DAG that they provided to the EA

1526
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 23: last year, and you know, it's one of the key

1527
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 23: points in the report is we do have that volatility

1528
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 23: and hedge hedges are a really important part of managing

1529
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 23: that risk.

1530
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard, thank you so much for talking us story.

1531
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time. That's Bridget Abanathy, who's the

1532
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 3: chief executive of the Electricity Retailers Association here in New Zealand. Heather,

1533
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 3: we'll Health New Zealand discussing reducing the cost and the

1534
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 3: quality of food and hospitals whilst munching on their thirty

1535
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 3: two dollar cannopaes. Yes, that's the irony of the whole thing. Ah,

1536
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 3: there they are going, you know what we should do

1537
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 3: while I eat this delicious piece of cannipage. You know

1538
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 3: what we should do Those women who just gave birth

1539
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 3: cut their toast, greedy women. Jeez, thinks they've been doing

1540
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 3: hard just lying on a bed. Now, it's delicious, isn't

1541
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 3: this one? And look at the view out of the

1542
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 3: sky stadium, isn't that great? Totally lost their minds, totally

1543
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 3: lost their minds. At Health New Zealand here, the charging

1544
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 3: the same price as a GP for ED for emergency

1545
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 3: department's actually a great idea. Too many people use the

1546
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: ED as their GP because they don't want to pay.

1547
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a fair that is a fair argument,

1548
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 3: but it's not a good argument because what you're gonna

1549
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: have is you're gonna have Look, there are people in

1550
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 3: this country who are poor, right, and you're gonna have them.

1551
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 3: So you're gonna I just look, my husband doesn't go

1552
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 3: to the GP. Like he is financially absolutely fine. He

1553
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 3: doesn't go to the GP, and he like he's had

1554
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 3: a hard operation, He's had multiple operations, he nearly died

1555
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 3: multiple times. He still doesn't want to go to the

1556
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 3: GP because it doesn't like paying for it. So if

1557
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 3: that's somebody who is on a good wicket, right, imagine

1558
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 3: somebody who's not, like it's typically a bloke, right, the

1559
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: bloke will be sitting there going, oh, money's tight, nah,

1560
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 3: and then it just die. I think it's better that

1561
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 3: we keep the ed basically for men, so men will

1562
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 3: go to it is a minute. You impose a costant,

1563
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: they're not going to go anymore. We've got very very

1564
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 3: bad news on the cricket unfortunately. Tom Lathan's out early again.

1565
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: Isn't he bowl by Ashwyn for fifteen in the last

1566
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:13,959
Speaker 3: hour half an hour or thereabouts?

1567
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: So what is this now?

1568
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 3: And so his last three innings, this is Tom Latham

1569
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 3: and the captain last three innings are fifteen a duck

1570
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: and fifteen?

1571
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 14: Was it fourteen a duck? In fifty it's definitely thirty.

1572
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 6: Or this week.

1573
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 3: What it is is crap nothing, crap, less than ideal. Yes, yeah,

1574
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 3: opening batsman, captain's curse, captain's curse. He should ask to

1575
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 3: have it taken off him and give it, Give it

1576
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 3: to the guy who is the last, who's the last

1577
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 3: in the batting lineup, give them make him the captain.

1578
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1579
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 14: Maybe they should take turns as soon as one of

1580
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 14: them's on a real good run of form and be like,

1581
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 14: all right, guys, I'm going to take one for the team.

1582
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 3: Just halfway through the testa I'm actually doing quite well.

1583
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 3: Take the captain cy off.

1584
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 14: Me so I can keep But yeah, let's work on this.

1585
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think we need to find you in

1586
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 3: this fourteen past six.

1587
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather due

1588
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: to see Ellen with the Business hours thanks to my HR,

1589
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1590
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1591
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1593
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 3: Either I attended the emergency department clinic at Dargaville Hospital

1594
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 3: two months ago. I had an ECG and I had

1595
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 3: to pay for the visit. It was thirty eight dollars

1596
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 3: or thereabouts, and it was a one ten zone. Hold on,

1597
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 3: are you telling me the speed limit outside the hospital

1598
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 3: was one hundred and ten. I'm not sure what relev

1599
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 3: I think maybe maybe maybe we'll just put that down

1600
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: to some auto correct or some stuff that's happened to

1601
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 3: your phone there. But yeah, weird that you got charged there.

1602
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 3: Was it a private hospital or something that you went to,

1603
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 3: because you shouldn't have been charge if it was a

1604
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 3: Public Hospital. Listen, gotten a little bit of good news

1605
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 3: out of Michael Hill, and frankly, I'm happy to give

1606
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 3: you some good news out of Michael Hill because all

1607
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 3: the news out of Michael Hill lately has been bad news.

1608
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 3: It's been ram raids and stores doing badly and people

1609
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 3: coming in and fog cannons going off. It's just been

1610
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 3: it's just been miserable, hasn't it up to now, because

1611
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 3: they've just announced their financial results this week. Up to now,

1612
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: what's happened is that the New Zealand stores have been

1613
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 3: underperforming compared with the Australian and the Canadian stores, and

1614
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 3: that's been quite worrying because what it's indicated is that

1615
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: our economy is just doing so poorly, like we were

1616
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 3: laggards in such a big way. News is that New

1617
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 3: Zealand sales have improved overall. Trading has turned a corner

1618
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 3: in the first fourteen weeks of the current financial year,

1619
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 3: so we're headed in the right direction and you've got

1620
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 3: to be grateful for that. It's eighteen pas six now.

1621
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 3: Karmala Harris talked about Karmlala Harris about an hour ago

1622
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 3: in the fact that she's going to lose the election

1623
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 3: because she's boring and stuff. What they're trying to do

1624
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 3: now is they've got a couple of things they're trying

1625
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 3: to do quite hard. They're trying to get out in

1626
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 3: neat voters in the swing states, right, So as a

1627
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: result of that, they held a town hall event this

1628
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 3: afternoon with CNN in Pennsylvania. The other thing that they're

1629
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 3: trying to do is not to talk about themselves, but

1630
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 3: just trash talk Donald Trump as much as they possibly can.

1631
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 24: Yes, I do believe that Donald Trump is unstable, increasingly unstable,

1632
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 24: and unfit to serve.

1633
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 3: This is a mistake because the more you talk about

1634
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, the more you're not talking about yourself. You're

1635
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 3: just giving him publicity.

1636
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 24: And then today we learned that John Kelly, a four

1637
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 24: star Marine in general who is his longest serving chief

1638
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 24: of staff, gave an interview recently in the last two

1639
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 24: weeks of this election talking about how dangerous Donald Trump is.

1640
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 24: And I think one has to think about why would

1641
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 24: someone who served with him, who is not political, a

1642
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 24: four star marine general, why is he telling the American

1643
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 24: people now? And frankly, I think of it as he's

1644
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 24: just putting out a nine to one to one call

1645
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 24: to the American people.

1646
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 3: What this tells you is that the people behind her

1647
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 3: campaign have realized she is not going to win any

1648
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 3: more voters over right, She's not a voter magnet. The

1649
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 3: best thing that she can do is try to chase

1650
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 3: voters away from Donald Trump and Anderson Cooper. I just

1651
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 3: want to just want it to just want to clarify

1652
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 3: your feelings just one more time.

1653
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,879
Speaker 2: Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

1654
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 6: Yes? I do, Yes, I do.

1655
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 24: And I also believe that the people who know him

1656
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 24: best on this subject should be trusted.

1657
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 3: Now, this is not really, I think what the audience wants,

1658
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 3: because the audience, voters in the audience was still trying

1659
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 3: to work out what she actually stood for.

1660
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 8: Considering you've been in the position of vice president for

1661
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 8: the past four years under the Biden administration, how can

1662
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 8: we expect you to deviate from the direction of that

1663
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 8: administration compared to your own?

1664
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's a straightful question, right, It's like Kamala

1665
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 3: Joe Biden did some stuff. What are you going to

1666
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 3: do differently? Here's her answer.

1667
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 24: Well, first of all, my administration will not be a

1668
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 24: continuation of the Biden administration.

1669
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 3: It's about a.

1670
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 24: New approach, a new generational leadership based on new ideas

1671
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 24: and frankly, different experiences. I bring a whole set of

1672
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 24: different experiences.

1673
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 3: So literally does not answer the question. And Annison Cooper

1674
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 3: just wants just wants to make sure this can you

1675
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 3: possibly tell us what you're actually going to do? Differently?

1676
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: Some voters though, made ass you've been in the White

1677
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: House for four years. You were vice president, not the president.

1678
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 17: But why wasn't any of that done the last four years?

1679
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: Well, there was a lot that was done, but there's

1680
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:12,560
Speaker 3: more to do.

1681
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 24: Anderson and I'm pointing out things that need to be

1682
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 24: done that haven't been done but need to be done.

1683
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 3: Wow, can you see why she's going to lose? Because

1684
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 3: there's literally nothing on them bones. There's no flesh on

1685
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 3: them bones, whatsoever? Rowena dunt come? Next six to twenty one.

1686
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 2: The Rural Report on hither duper see allan drive.

1687
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 3: Rowena dn't come of the country over the country is

1688
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 3: with us?

1689
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 23: A roe?

1690
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 3: Hey, oh sorry Roe. I halfway stopped through my sentence

1691
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 3: because I thought there's something wrong with every with everything

1692
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 3: because of my headphones. We're working properly anyway, Listen, you

1693
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 3: everything's working for you quite well. You had a chat

1694
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 3: to Todd McLay today. He's in Brazil. What's he doing there?

1695
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 25: Yeah, so he's very ahead of their G twenty summit,

1696
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 25: but he's gone earlier. I had a few bilateral trade

1697
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 25: meetings as well, led a business delegation to Salparlow, where

1698
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 25: there's actually about forty Kiwi businesses operating.

1699
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 4: Look, I didn't actually realize Brazil's such a huge.

1700
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 25: Country, two hundred and forty million people, but we've actually

1701
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 25: got a lot in common when it comes to agriculture.

1702
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 25: So Todd McClay was telling me this afternoon that, like us,

1703
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 25: their government wants to help farmers meet their obligations around

1704
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 25: climate change, around the environment, but without putting people out

1705
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 25: of business, so leaning into technology and things like that.

1706
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 25: He says, they've agreed that the two institutions should actually

1707
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 25: work together to find ways to achieve that without reducing production.

1708
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 25: So yeah, I didn't actually anticipate that they'd align quite

1709
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 25: so strongly on those points.

1710
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 3: Hey, the Hawks Bay amp show started today, was it right?

1711
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 3: It's doing okay?

1712
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually doing really well.

1713
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 25: And I mean, like Hawks Bay do it well, don't

1714
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 25: they tomorrow's their anniversary day, so they turn it into

1715
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 25: a four day weekend.

1716
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 4: Like why can't we all be like Hawks Bay? But anyway,

1717
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, isn't it very jealous?

1718
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 25: But look, today was kind of like the Farmer's Day,

1719
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 25: so the farmers kind of go on the Thursday. The

1720
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 25: rest of everyone goes on on the Friday when they've

1721
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 25: got the day off and stuff. I was chatting to

1722
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 25: some of my mates who were there. They said it

1723
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 25: was a beautiful day, but like there's the equestrian today there.

1724
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 4: Was all the shows and stuff.

1725
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 25: The trades were all busy, and he said there was

1726
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 25: just a good group of people catching up. So in

1727
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 25: Hawks Bay they're starting to kind of drift into that

1728
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 25: dry end of the spectrum.

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Speaker 4: They had a good early spring.

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Speaker 25: Things were moving in the right direction, good lamming, good carving,

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01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 25: but you know there's a question mark now on how

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01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 25: soon it's going to get a bit dry heading towards summer.

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Speaker 25: Today there was the kids sharing, so tomorrow it's the

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 25: great Rahani as she is. Today they had secondary school

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Speaker 25: kids in their school Challenge round twenty five of them

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Speaker 25: or something. I think it was George from Nat Beer

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01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 25: Boys who took it out sure three sheep in the final.

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Speaker 4: There were kids from as far away as Wide or so. Yeah.

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Speaker 25: Just I think a really good time for that region

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01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 25: to get a bit of a boost. And gosh, you've

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 25: got a love Amp show season.

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01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 3: Yeah and Hawks Bay, so what a great combo. Hey,

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01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: thank you for that row look after you stuff. That's

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Speaker 3: row In and Duncan of the country. Nichola Willis now

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01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 3: Nichola Willis is with us on Monday, actually long weekend.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she'll be here on Monday. Maybe

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01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 3: she'll be here on Tuesday, but I'm going to talk

1748
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 3: to her about this because I quite like what I'm

1749
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 3: hearing from her. Today. She gave a speech to the

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01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 3: Institute of Public Administration, which looks like a bunch of

1751
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 3: senior public servants basically who got together at the beehive,

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01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 3: and she gave them. In the speech that she delivered

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01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 3: to them, she told them to be braver. She said,

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01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: too many public servants are too cautious when they're giving

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01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 3: advice to ministers, as if they're trying to protect the

1756
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 3: politicians from themselves. She says, push those bold ideas upstairs.

1757
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 3: If you are a manager or a leader, seek out

1758
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 3: those people in your organization who think differently, who are imaginative,

1759
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 3: who say annoying things and meetings because they don't know

1760
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 3: how we've always done it. And I love that, don't you.

1761
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 3: Because the problem, this is what I'm hearing from within

1762
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 3: the public service, from people who work in the public service,

1763
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 3: is that there is a way of doing things. And

1764
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 3: if you've been in a really big business it's been

1765
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 3: around for a long time, you'll have seen it. There's

1766
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 3: a way of doing things, and you're expected to kind

1767
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 3: of fall in line with that idea. But that's not

1768
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 3: always the best way. And sometimes the best people are

1769
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: the people who have crazy ideas, who will come up

1770
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: with new ways of doing things. And she wants them

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01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 3: to pipe up, and I like that. She also told

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01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 3: them the cost cutting isn't going to end. What we're

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01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 3: seeing with the public service being cut back is not

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01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 3: a one off for one budget. It is a an

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01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 3: ongoing state of mind, she said, which actually also I

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01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 3: like because efficiency. Efficiency should never be something you turn off.

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01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 3: Headline's next, and then Sam Dickey need.

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01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 2: It is beautiful says it.

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01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just playing economics, it's all

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01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: on the business hour with Hither Duplicy Allen and my

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01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs u S talksp

1782
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: when you're playing some drinking night you think him about

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01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: me when.

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01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 6: You're riding where he's driving. The last brick.

1785
01:22:53,520 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 3: Damna Hey indies in ten minutes time. But we're we

1786
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 3: have to talk about something that is just kind of

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01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 3: developing at the moment, and it is reasonably significant in

1788
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 3: terms of how shall I say, Porky's telling politicians potentially

1789
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 3: telling Porky's anyway, it's got to do with this business

1790
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 3: going on with Ashaverol. You're gonna want to hear this

1791
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 3: or get you across it. Shortly twenty five away from seven.

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 2: Together dup C.

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01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: Now, chances are you're a Netflix customer right who isn't?

1794
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 3: And it's not doing too badly for investors either, But

1795
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 3: there has been some brutal competition and bumps in the road,

1796
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: and more recently it's changed its spots and done something

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01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 3: it said it would never do, which is to introduce ads.

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01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 3: Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with us, say Sam,

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 3: good evening.

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01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:36,959
Speaker 2: He know a lot of people.

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01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: Won't realize how Netflix started, which was it was a

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01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 3: DVD rental company.

1803
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 6: Wasn't it That's right?

1804
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 2: Isn't that awesome?

1805
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 26: A DVD rental by mail business? And it wasn't until

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01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,839
Speaker 26: two thousand and seven actually that it launched its streaming service,

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01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 26: and simplicitically that means you could watch TV and videos

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01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 26: real time over the Internet. And astonishingly it has almost

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01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 26: three hundred million streaming subscribers today after starting as a

1810
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 26: DVD rental by mail business.

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01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: Now it goes fast forward to today and we have

1812
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 3: a streaming service. Was it the first of its kind?

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01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.

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01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 26: It's the first of its kind. But we saw the

1815
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 26: explosion of many, many of these things in what was

1816
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 26: called the streaming war. Was It's really culminated in twenty

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01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 26: nineteen when Disney launched, Disney Plus launched, and during the

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01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 26: pandemic as well, when we're all locked up and watching TV,

1819
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 26: we had Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV and dozens of

1820
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 26: others ramping up further to grab our attention. But what

1821
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 26: was super brutal was that Disney and all these others

1822
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 26: launched at very low prices. So Disney launched at seven

1823
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 26: bucks a month in the US versus Netflix, which was

1824
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,919
Speaker 26: thirteen bucks at the time. So almost a fifty percent discount.

1825
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 3: What happened in twenty twenty two that it fell seventy

1826
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: five percent? What happened there?

1827
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 26: Yeah, it got punished, so it roared through covid is.

1828
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 26: We all bought Netflix subscriptions to watch while lockdown, along

1829
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 26: with all these other subscriptions, it seems, and the company

1830
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 26: got a little bit too excited about the future and

1831
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 26: wrapped up investment and costs. And then the combination of

1832
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 26: us all coming out of lockdown and wanting to travel

1833
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 26: rather than watch Netflix, plus the drag from all these

1834
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 26: new low price competitors like Disney meant revenue was way

1835
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 26: lower than expected and costs higher, so profit got destroyed.

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01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 3: Obviously, they have recently decided to introduce the ads. Now

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01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 3: what brought this on?

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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 26: Yeah, I think founder Read Hastings is on records saying

1839
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 26: things like Netflix is a safe respite for users without

1840
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 26: the controversiversity of exploiting them via advertising.

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01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 2: So that's what he said.

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01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 26: Yet here we are, so it is an optional chief

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01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 26: of subscription, So why the backflip. He was very frank

1844
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 26: about his mistake. He said, we got this wrong, which

1845
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 26: we had flipped sooner, and it's good business. You've got

1846
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 26: hundreds of millions of loyal subscribers and you know their

1847
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 26: viewing history, so you've got a good data to feed

1848
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 26: them appropriate ads, and that tier, the ad tier, the

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01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 26: cheaper ad tea, has been a huge success, so especially

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 26: in an era where there's been a cost of living

1851
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 26: crisis where now has more than fifty million subscribers from

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01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 26: zero a couple of years ago. So incredible growth there.

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01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 3: Interesting, I see that Prime Video. Amazon Prime is going

1855
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 3: to do the same thing here in New Zealand roll

1856
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 3: out the ads. Is it for the same reason?

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01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 26: Yeah, Well, they've done in a much blunt way actually,

1858
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 26: but they rolled it out to the US and UK

1859
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 26: earlier in the year and they said other countries would

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01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 26: follow and we're next on the list. Their much blunter

1861
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 26: approach though, as they're rolling out ads to all of

1862
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 26: their members. But if you don't want ads, you have

1863
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 26: to pay up an extra three bucks a month. And

1864
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 26: Disney of course did it right out of the gate

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Speaker 26: in tween nineteen, so most are doing it now.

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Speaker 3: And so tell me, how is for investors thinking about

1867
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 3: this stuff? How is Netflix going in the face of

1868
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 3: all of this competition.

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01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 26: It's going very, very well, so during the streaming wars

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Speaker 26: where you know again, dozens of competitors were plowing tens

1871
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 26: of billions of dollars into create movies and TV, Netflix

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01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 26: was the only pure place streaming service on Earth that

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01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 26: was profitable. Hence the irrationally low prime is that competitors

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01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 26: were originally offering them couldn't last. So pack that Disney example,

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01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 26: they launched at seven bucks, almost a fifty percent discount

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01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 26: to Netflix. Disney now costs sixteen dollars, so prices are

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01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 26: up well over one hundred percent, and it's actually more

1878
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 26: expensive than Netflix. So it's really helpful if your competitors

1879
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 26: pushing prices up by more than one hundred percent. And

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Speaker 26: what's super interesting is Netflix has ended up crushing the

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01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 26: others on new subscribers. So since twenty twenty two, Disney

1882
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 26: subscribers have actually fallen slightly, while Netflix has gained another

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01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 26: eighty million.

1884
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 3: So what do investors need to think about when they

1885
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 3: think about this stuff?

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Speaker 26: I think it's an excellent lens through which to look

1887
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 26: at economic moats and growth runways, which are both critical.

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01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 26: So back in twenty twenty two, when the stock was

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01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 26: down seventy five percent, many thought Netflix's moat was eroding.

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01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: It was game over.

1891
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 26: The barbarians were at the gate. But the market actually

1892
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 26: mistook a fast move and competitive backdrop for an arrow

1893
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 26: in the moat. And in fact Netflix's moat has had

1894
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 26: the blow torch applied to it and it came out

1895
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 26: the winner. And on top of that, they've extended the

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01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 26: growth runway via the ad tearing and the pass wood

1897
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 26: crack downs.

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01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 2: He might have seen as well here.

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Speaker 26: So it's kind of like that positive flywheel and full

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01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 26: force great content. It's making tons of profit. It's reinvesting

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01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 26: that into content, which is the polar opposite of Disney

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01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 26: Plus right.

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01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 3: Now, very very interesting stuff, Sam, Thank you so much

1904
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 3: as always at Sam Dickey Official Funds. Hither I work

1905
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 3: in the streaming sector. Every business has to have ads

1906
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 3: now to keep up with the demand and the cost

1907
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 3: of a show and the balance of a subscription cost

1908
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: that is fair for consumers. Thank you for that. Nineteen

1909
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 3: away from seven Ever, due for ce Ellen keeping across

1910
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 3: this because this is the thing that's developing in politics.

1911
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 3: Turns out there was a mole in Casey Costello's in

1912
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 3: a circle. So if you were wandering, look we are

1913
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 3: connecting dots here, and I have to be careful about

1914
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 3: connecting dots because there's no evidence. So let me put

1915
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 3: it like this, Okay, Yesterday Winston said that there was

1916
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 3: an official who had been meeting with Casey Costello on

1917
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 3: the tobacco stuff. And the tobacco stuff kept getting leaked, right,

1918
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 3: and like all of these things that were supposed to

1919
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 3: be confidential documents to Kesey Castello and her inner circle

1920
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 3: kept on getting leaked. Now that official who Winston Peters

1921
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 3: was talking about, he made the allegation that that person

1922
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 3: was related to Ai Cheverral from Labor who was doing

1923
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 3: all the running and the hit jobs on Aishavera or

1924
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 3: on Keseu Castello for the Labor Party. Now he wouldn't

1925
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 3: say who yesterday, and Chippy was like, who is this relative?

1926
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 3: He wouldn't say, And then Chippy was asked about it,

1927
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 3: and Chippy was like, oh, that's really no one. The

1928
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 3: person I understand is several sets removed.

1929
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 2: So a distant relative h A distant.

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01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 3: Relative actually turns out today aicheverril's sister in law come

1931
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 3: off at Chippy, Now, would you consider your sister? Maybe

1932
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 3: you don't get on with your sister in law. That's

1933
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 3: a possibility. But do you consider your sister in law

1934
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 3: a distant relative several steps removed? Probably not. You're living

1935
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 3: in the same city as them, working in the same area,

1936
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 3: which is health, like they are working at the Ministry

1937
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 3: of Health just over the road, and you're working at

1938
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 3: Parliament just on this side of the road. Probably not

1939
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 3: a distant relative. Probably not several steps removed. I think

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01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 3: Chippy just got busted in a little porky there. Anyway,

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01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 3: we do not know that this woman was leaking the

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Speaker 3: information that was being leaked. It is a very highly

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Speaker 3: suspicious situation though. But what is because there are two

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Speaker 3: things here that are very problematic. The first is if

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Speaker 3: this woman, being the sister in law of the opposition

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Speaker 3: spokesperson on tobacco, is meeting with the minister who's dealing

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Speaker 3: with tobacco, that should have been declared to the minister, right,

1948
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Speaker 3: because that, right there is a problem. The woman apparently

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Speaker 3: did declare the conflict of interest to the Ministry of Health.

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Speaker 3: The Ministry of Health did not tell Casey Costello that

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Speaker 3: had to apologize to her for that today. But the

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Speaker 3: second thing is Chippy's porky, right, Chippy has been running

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Speaker 3: all this week trying to stitch together this just that

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Speaker 3: the feel that Andrew Bailey had lied about drinking, that's

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Speaker 3: been his modus operando this week. He's been punishing Andrew

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Speaker 3: Bailey for the possibility maybe Andrew Bailey did in fact

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Speaker 3: have one little drink before he went back and talked

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Speaker 3: to the worker at the vineyard, right you just it's

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Speaker 3: supposed to create the feeling that he told a fib. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Chippy was actually telling an actual up and down, straight

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Speaker 3: up and down fib. Seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SME's to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duple c Allen's and my HR the HR

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Speaker 1: solution for busy SMEs on News Talks IB.

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Speaker 3: Heather, Chippy's got form with telling porky's. Do you remember

1966
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Speaker 3: the porkies about the two women who traveled to Northland

1967
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Speaker 3: during COVID? Yes? Do you remember the porky's about Charlotte Ballas?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, correct? Fourteen away from seven with us now we

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Speaker 3: have Ende Brady, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 6: He end Hey, you have the great to speak to

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Speaker 6: you now as Kiir.

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Speaker 3: Starmer squared away this business about the labour people going

1974
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Speaker 3: to work for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 27: Well, he may think he has, but Donald Trump is

1976
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Speaker 27: livid about this, and he's describing us as anti American

1977
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Speaker 27: election interference from the far left. That's how he's describing

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Speaker 27: Keir Starmer and the Labor Party. Now, you might have

1979
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Speaker 27: called Jeremy Corbyn's Labor Party far left, but I'm not

1980
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Speaker 27: sure he could say the same about Starmer.

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Speaker 6: However, I think the story has legs.

1982
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Speaker 27: It's going to run because today we find out that

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Speaker 27: not only have one hundred members of the Labor Party

1984
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Speaker 27: paying their own way, I should say they're flying on

1985
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Speaker 27: their own money, They're going on annual leave time.

1986
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Speaker 6: One hundred Laborer Party members are.

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Speaker 27: Going to campaign for Kamala Harris in the United States

1988
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Speaker 27: in the next ten days. But on top of that,

1989
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Speaker 27: we now find out this morning here that twenty senior

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Speaker 27: people from the party, including the new chief of staff,

1991
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Speaker 27: the Irish guy Morgan MacSweeney, actually attended the Democrats' national

1992
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Speaker 27: convention in August.

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Speaker 6: And that Labor paid for him to go.

1994
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Speaker 27: Now, Labor are now saying that he hasn't in any

1995
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Speaker 27: way advised Kamala Harris or the Democrats.

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Speaker 6: But Trump's people are absolutely livid. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean I sort of accept that they are

1998
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Speaker 3: going there on their own dime and on their own time.

1999
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Speaker 3: But the problem with that story is did the Labor

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Speaker 3: Party not offer to house them all? Which suggests something

2001
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Speaker 3: a little bit more coordinated.

2002
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Speaker 27: So, yes, there was a LinkedIn post from Labour's head

2003
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Speaker 27: of operations. She has now not only deleted the post

2004
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Speaker 27: because it went viral in America and was picked up

2005
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Speaker 27: by the Trump people very very quickly. She's I see,

2006
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Speaker 27: she's also deleted her LinkedIn profile completely. But look, the

2007
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Speaker 27: damage is done, and it's part of the complaint that

2008
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Speaker 27: Trump's people have now filed in the United States citing

2009
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Speaker 27: election interference.

2010
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Speaker 6: But in all.

2011
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Speaker 27: Honesty, you know, imagine if there was an election in

2012
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Speaker 27: New Zealand and someone knocks on your door campaigning and

2013
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Speaker 27: they've traveled from the United States or Ireland for that matter,

2014
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Speaker 27: and they're trying to convince you, you know, you're just

2015
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Speaker 27: gonna laugh at them. In the same way as if

2016
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Speaker 27: we had an election here as we had in July,

2017
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Speaker 27: and an American knocked on my door campaigning for someone

2018
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Speaker 27: who's just jetted in, You'll be thinking jog on pal.

2019
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's sort of your own business, isn't it.

2020
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Speaker 3: You don't want other people getting involved.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, you can see Trump's point, But look, it's

2022
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Speaker 27: not going to make a blind bit of different one

2023
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Speaker 27: hundred people going out and handing out a few leaflets

2024
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Speaker 27: for Kamala Harris, you know, if he hasn't won it

2025
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Speaker 27: by now give up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Hey, now, what do you make of

2027
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 3: the fact that cops who are accused of murder will

2028
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Speaker 3: be given the anonymity until they are actually convicted. If

2029
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Speaker 3: they are convicted.

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Speaker 27: I think it's interesting. I think the police community certainly

2031
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Speaker 27: welcomed this. There's been huge fallout this week on the

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Speaker 27: case of Sergeant Martin Blake. So he was a firearms

2033
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Speaker 27: cop and still is from the Metropolitan Police accused of murder.

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Speaker 27: Now the jury came back after three hours and twenty

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Speaker 27: minutes and found him not guilty. So he has been

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Speaker 27: cleared of all criminal wrongdoing whatsoever and that core case

2037
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Speaker 27: has now ended. However, he's possibly looking at gross misconduct

2038
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Speaker 27: charges by the Police Complaints Authority here. And on top

2039
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Speaker 27: of that, the Home Secretary of that Cooper has come

2040
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Speaker 27: out and said that from now on she wants it

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Speaker 27: to be the any police officer accused of murder while

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Speaker 27: working in the line of duty should have anonymity. There

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Speaker 27: have been a lot of problems with this case, and

2044
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Speaker 27: we now know of course that the guy who was

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Speaker 27: shot dead in South London two years ago behind the

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Speaker 27: wheel of this high powered audi that police were trying

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Speaker 27: to stop Chris Cabba, that he was a senior member

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Speaker 27: of a very serious gang and organized crime group in

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Speaker 27: central London.

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Speaker 6: So it has been a huge talking point this week.

2051
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Speaker 3: How would you get married at Belle Morrel.

2052
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Speaker 6: As an Irish Republican casfguarde enough? Not if Charles paid me?

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Speaker 27: Not if he paid not literally, if he paid the principle,

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Speaker 27: I don't think I'd live it down. But no, listen,

2055
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Speaker 27: on a serious note, it's a good story today in

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Speaker 27: the papers here today because bal Moral is costing Charles

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Speaker 27: and ultimately the British taxpayer six million en Z dollars

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Speaker 27: a year to run. Now he doesn't even live there,

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Speaker 27: and on top of that, from my understanding, when he

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Speaker 27: goes to Scotland he prefers Burke Hall, which was his

2061
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Speaker 27: grandmother's place, the queen Mother's castle in Scotland. Charles stays there,

2062
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Speaker 27: so he's got a conundrum to solve all this money

2063
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Speaker 27: that's basically going up in smoke. So his idea is

2064
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 27: there is a big building called the Queen's Building. It's

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Speaker 27: just a few meters away from the castle at bal Moral.

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Speaker 27: Charles has put in a planning application and what he

2067
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 27: wants now to do is to open it up to weddings,

2068
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Speaker 27: not that many a year, but enough.

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Speaker 6: To pay the bills.

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Speaker 27: So I think people will bite his hand off because

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01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 27: it's a stunning setting.

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Speaker 6: It really is.

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01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good point actually turning them. So he's turning

2074
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Speaker 3: them into a tourist attraction, isn't he. I thank you

2075
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 3: for that in to appreciate it. Indo Brady are UK correspondent.

2076
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 3: Is he turning them into a tourist attraction or is

2077
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 3: he acknowledging that they are a tourist attraction. I quite

2078
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:40,839
Speaker 3: enjoyed the scientific experiment.

2079
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 6: This was one.

2080
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 3: It was a scientific, non scientific experiment. It was on

2081
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: Dneedin's airport. Ben you know the one about the hugs

2082
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 3: not being longer than three minutes because they want to

2083
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 3: get people just like drop the people off, go go, go,

2084
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 3: go go when you're dropping them off in the car.

2085
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 3: So when we've got the sign outside it's gone viral

2086
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 3: and stuff. So a Guardian columnist over in the UK

2087
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 3: obviously has seen this and decided to see if three

2088
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 3: minutes was a reasonable period of time for a hug

2089
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,560
Speaker 3: or an unreasonable period of time, like, is that unreasonably

2090
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 3: short if people want to do a hug? So she says,

2091
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 3: in the interest of science, I barged in on my

2092
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,560
Speaker 3: wife while she was working, and I asked for a

2093
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 3: timed hug so I could analyze the benefits of hugging

2094
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 3: for myself. After forty nine seconds, she told me to

2095
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 3: go away, which is every wife everywhere you'd be like, oh,

2096
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 3: this is so annoying, just annoying, annoying. And what's nice

2097
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: about this is that it turns out that wives don't

2098
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 3: just get annoyed at husbands, but they also get annoyed

2099
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 3: at other wives. So that's nice. That's just a wife thing,

2100
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 3: So it's not about the blokes. It's actually just about

2101
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:40,520
Speaker 3: us anyway. Turns out forty nine seconds example and actually irritating,

2102
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 3: and Dunedin is being generous away from seven.

2103
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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

2104
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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather duplicy Allen

2105
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Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for sme us Talk SIP.

2106
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Speaker 3: I saw a good texts before and now I've lost her.

2107
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 3: Oh here it is, Heather. Oh it's the Tim Tam

2108
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 3: thing continuation. I love this. We've taken serious research efforts

2109
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 3: on this one, were like the Guardian columnists really putting

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Speaker 3: in the effort. Heather, I just left Woolworth's original Tim

2111
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 3: Tams eleven biscuits Deluxe Tim Tams eight biscuits. Now this

2112
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 3: is news you can use because I did also not

2113
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 3: know this beforehand, so it depends. So you know you

2114
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 3: have to do a trade off there, but now you

2115
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 3: know that the trade off is happening.

2116
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 26: Hither.

2117
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Speaker 3: I went to the AMP Show in Hawk's Bay today.

2118
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Speaker 3: It was awesome and Heather, that's Mars. I'm glad you

2119
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 3: had a good time. Marz Stewart says, you know that

2120
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Speaker 3: it's it's the AMP show because it's a teacher only

2121
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 3: day in hawks Bay tomorrow. It's a teacher only day

2122
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 3: in a lot of places tomorrow. So keerkaha to all

2123
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 3: of the parents who have to deal with the children

2124
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 3: at home. Now there's just been an inquest into how

2125
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 3: a friend of King Charles died and you have got

2126
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 3: to hear this. This is one of his closest friends.

2127
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 3: Chapter seventy eight years old. So he's got a few

2128
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 3: miles on the clock. Ian Farquah and older Tony and

2129
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 3: prominent huntsman great apparently the life of a party. He

2130
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Speaker 3: died after he got himself trapped between his bed and

2131
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Speaker 3: the wall. He was found with his legs up in

2132
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Speaker 3: the air next to his bedside table. Problem was it

2133
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Speaker 3: was a big drinker, had a drinking problem. According to

2134
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Speaker 3: his daughter, he had drunk a litter of gin and

2135
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Speaker 3: a couple of bottles of wine in a day. A

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Speaker 3: litter of gin and two bottles of wine. That's absolutely

2137
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Speaker 3: rock solid a drinking problem. So anyway, on the day

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Speaker 3: he was drunk, and he had a care worker and

2139
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Speaker 3: she arrived for her daily visit, but she wasn't responding

2140
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Speaker 3: to his calls. So she went upstairs to look for him,

2141
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 3: but she couldn't find him, And then for some reason

2142
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 3: she peered down the side of his bed and she

2143
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 3: saw him there, trapped against the wall, upside down. There

2144
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Speaker 3: was an empty bottle of Gordon's gin and two empty

2145
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Speaker 3: wine bottles and a half empty bottle of whiskey at

2146
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Speaker 3: the property. Basically, it's been ruled he what he died

2147
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Speaker 3: of is being drunk, being upside down, and being upside

2148
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Speaker 3: down stopping him from breathing. So it's probably the weirdest

2149
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 3: way I've ever heard anybody die.

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Speaker 14: An no arguments here James Blunt nineteen seventy three to

2151
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 14: play us out, James Blunt, do you hate us?

2152
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Speaker 2: Well?

2153
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Speaker 14: So the thing is James Blunt reckons. He's a very

2154
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Speaker 14: interesting and funny guy, so I think he gets a

2155
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 14: song at the end. He reckons that Noel Gallagher told

2156
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 14: him in the street that the reason Noel was selling

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Speaker 14: his Opeetha property is he didn't want to wait, he

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Speaker 14: couldn't handle James writing his shit songs down the road

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Speaker 14: from down the road from But James's quipped that house

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Speaker 14: prices went up after he left, which you would say

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Speaker 14: it's a joke, but apparently Noel has actually said something

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Speaker 14: similar in interviews before.

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 14: Just really didn't want to live down the road from

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Speaker 14: James Blunt.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised you didn't end with Metallica. They've announced the

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Speaker 3: concept like in less than a month a theyre going

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Speaker 3: to be here.

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Speaker 2: How good.

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Speaker 6: Up, there we go.

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Speaker 14: We do that one tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Cool.

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Speaker 3: See ya.

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