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Speaker 2: It's rick, it is out, the test is over, smokes.

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Speaker 2: Hello, We're back on the front foot with raisine, premium

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Speaker 2: quality paints and staying will blow me down. I didn't

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Speaker 2: see it coming. A serious win for the first time

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Speaker 2: in India. We've been going there for thirty three years.

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Speaker 2: And that's not the only special part for me. The

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Speaker 2: former performance of Darryl Mitchell. Wow, just let me speechless

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Speaker 2: and sleepless. I've got to say to do it once

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Speaker 2: for spectacular, but to complete the series went at the

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Speaker 2: home of the Indoor Cricket Association was awesome. I've been

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Speaker 2: there and Daryl Mitchell enjoys it as well. Doesn't talk

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Speaker 2: much about his achievements. Patriarchic Huey loves blaming for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: He says, Joy's just doing his role. Jerry and Odie

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Speaker 2: I average of fifty eight. You know, there's only three

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Speaker 2: better than him, very at Coli of course, as an

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Speaker 2: outstanding player is ahead of him. There's a couple of

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Speaker 2: other guys. Ryan tender Scater, who you probably heard of,

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Speaker 2: a guy called Millan de Kumar is the highest average.

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Speaker 2: He plays for the United States and he averages sixty

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Speaker 2: seven point seventy three. I mean, we can't belittle that

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Speaker 2: tender Scaters sixty seven. But what Mitchell's achieved in fifty

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Speaker 2: nine games fifty eight point seven six utterly outstanding. It's

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Speaker 2: incomparable in terms of our one day play, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's a good player, wads, isn't he?

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Speaker 4: Now? When I mean he's at the top of his

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Speaker 3: That's an immense contribution. I mean, you can't do better

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 4: Really confident? Settled, strong on the leg side and down

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Speaker 4: the ground. We know that, and then he pulls the

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Speaker 4: ball well, plays this. He's added the sweeps, hasn't he?

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Speaker 4: The rams and the little reverse sweeps against the spinners,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I really I love watching him run with

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Speaker 4: Phillips looks like Carl Lewis at one.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't but you're right, But about sixty eight the eyes, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think something like that. So that's what you want

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Speaker 2: In his last twelve one day he's been over fifty

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, he has, I think, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I think India helped him.

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Speaker 4: They gave him a start, usually with the Steamers, and

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Speaker 4: I think every batsman likes getting in against seemas against

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Speaker 4: Their spinners did really poorly didn't they over the series

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Speaker 4: The way that the New Zealanders played that was a

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Speaker 3: It was heck of a well done. I thought new

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean he's been around the domestic scene

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Speaker 2: been joined by Michael Bracewell and a chance to recall

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Speaker 2: what's your view on how things went?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 2: Interesting that comment about Phillips doing what he does best

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Speaker 2: But he played what, to my mind seemed at that

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Speaker 3: Yep, lots of singles and changing ends.

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Speaker 4: Phillips is quite a shorter man, plays a different style

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Speaker 4: Quite important because you're getting you're getting to a point

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 2: Captain Michael Bracewell spent most of the time watching from

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Speaker 2: butts as tours kipper, he had every reason to enjoy

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Speaker 6: I think, yeah, it's been fantastic to watch Daryl go

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Speaker 6: now and just sort of rolled out that formula that's

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Speaker 2: From what part did previous success in the Test series

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Speaker 6: Up, I think that's one thing that we spoke about

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Speaker 6: So I think the power of our group is that

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Speaker 6: from them. So yeah, that's certainly something we spoke about

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Speaker 2: Do you come, as Jadan Lennox and Christian Clark shared

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they reasonably experienced on the domestic level and to

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Speaker 2: How frustrating was it for you to be in that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's obviously frustrating as an all rounder. You want

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Speaker 6: so to get that cut short was disappointing. And obviously

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Speaker 6: having to hand the reins over to Darrell was pretty

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Speaker 6: I guess it's always tricky when you've got to navigate

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Speaker 6: and yeah, that's what we pride ourselves on as a team.

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Speaker 2: Going on from that, of course, it just highlights the

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Speaker 2: you know, you've take taken this tour and then Daryl

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Speaker 6: In terms of the leadership, Yeah, the power as the

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Speaker 6: I don't think it was too different from me leading

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Speaker 3: You Zealna worried them.

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Speaker 4: Well, I tell you what, between now and next year,

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00:24:05,213 --> 00:24:08,653
Speaker 4: we'll play a few or before the ODI will Cup.

437
00:24:08,733 --> 00:24:12,773
Speaker 4: You can see it's going to swell. I think quite dramatically.

438
00:24:13,133 --> 00:24:16,413
Speaker 4: I think just a quick word about Lenox two wads, yep.

439
00:24:16,493 --> 00:24:21,013
Speaker 4: I mean I thought he was fantastic coming in and

440
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:27,213
Speaker 4: those middle overs he was used usually straight after ten, ten, twelve, fourteen, sixteen, eighteen,

441
00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:29,573
Speaker 4: that kind of thing, and only went for sixteen runs

442
00:24:29,613 --> 00:24:34,533
Speaker 4: in his first game and those those overs, and yeah,

443
00:24:34,893 --> 00:24:42,653
Speaker 4: that's only only one boundary boundary four in his two games.

444
00:24:43,213 --> 00:24:46,773
Speaker 4: One boundary and then one six hit by Harshit I

445
00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:47,893
Speaker 4: think in the last game.

446
00:24:48,493 --> 00:24:50,053
Speaker 3: So I mean that he was.

447
00:24:50,213 --> 00:24:54,573
Speaker 4: Always hit for ones or a few twos, but always

448
00:24:54,653 --> 00:24:56,813
Speaker 4: between extra cover and mid on.

449
00:24:57,413 --> 00:25:00,653
Speaker 3: So he controlled the length of the bowling really well.

450
00:25:01,693 --> 00:25:07,173
Speaker 4: Very few cuts, no sweeps, as I mentioned, all singles.

451
00:25:07,973 --> 00:25:10,573
Speaker 4: You could see if there was any assistance from the pitch.

452
00:25:11,253 --> 00:25:14,053
Speaker 4: I mean, he could be a handful. So I thought,

453
00:25:14,093 --> 00:25:15,653
Speaker 4: a terrific addition to the team.

454
00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:18,173
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and he sort of took up the role

455
00:25:18,253 --> 00:25:21,173
Speaker 2: that Mitchell Santner has held for New Zealand over a

456
00:25:21,173 --> 00:25:24,533
Speaker 2: period time. So you know we're developing those kinds of players.

457
00:25:24,573 --> 00:25:28,413
Speaker 2: Great to celebrate a one day series win in India.

458
00:25:28,213 --> 00:25:32,373
Speaker 3: Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot, I got

459
00:25:32,453 --> 00:25:33,133
Speaker 3: to say I have.

460
00:25:33,213 --> 00:25:37,933
Speaker 2: A real sense of disappointment for our under nineteens, Jerry,

461
00:25:37,973 --> 00:25:41,653
Speaker 2: and I know you'll have some feelings for them as

462
00:25:41,733 --> 00:25:44,853
Speaker 2: well because they've gone to the Under nineteen World Championship.

463
00:25:44,893 --> 00:25:48,253
Speaker 2: They've prepared well. They lent early to develop the game

464
00:25:48,373 --> 00:25:51,813
Speaker 2: and develop the team and to really get themselves together.

465
00:25:52,573 --> 00:25:54,893
Speaker 2: They haven't even played a game really yet, have they.

466
00:25:54,893 --> 00:25:57,773
Speaker 2: They've had an innings of bowling at the United States.

467
00:25:58,653 --> 00:26:01,613
Speaker 2: They had ten overs against Bangladesh. They don't have a

468
00:26:01,693 --> 00:26:05,173
Speaker 2: net run rate yet. They've hardly played. And the most

469
00:26:05,213 --> 00:26:07,213
Speaker 2: important thing when you go to a tournament like this

470
00:26:07,493 --> 00:26:10,853
Speaker 2: surely isn't being able to play and get into the

471
00:26:11,053 --> 00:26:12,773
Speaker 2: match rhythm that you need to be in.

472
00:26:13,693 --> 00:26:13,893
Speaker 3: Yeah.

473
00:26:13,893 --> 00:26:18,333
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I'm afraid to say wadd's I mean the

474
00:26:18,413 --> 00:26:26,253
Speaker 4: family are over there watching Tom Tom Jones and Mark

475
00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:29,213
Speaker 4: texts me the other day to say, I'm afraid the

476
00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:34,093
Speaker 4: next two weeks the weather is pretty similar the forecast,

477
00:26:34,413 --> 00:26:37,773
Speaker 4: whether it's true or not. Up north of course, Hurrara

478
00:26:39,173 --> 00:26:42,493
Speaker 4: it's pretty good and Namibia pretty good as well, so

479
00:26:43,093 --> 00:26:47,133
Speaker 4: teams are getting points and games in those places. I'm

480
00:26:47,173 --> 00:26:52,573
Speaker 4: afraid all New Zealand's games are at Bulawayo, where we've

481
00:26:52,613 --> 00:26:58,813
Speaker 4: had the first two games. You're right, disappointing, very disappointing

482
00:26:58,893 --> 00:27:02,813
Speaker 4: for the boys. Don't know much what else you can

483
00:27:02,893 --> 00:27:06,133
Speaker 4: say about it because the pitch, the pitch can only

484
00:27:06,413 --> 00:27:08,493
Speaker 4: just get a little bit worse really because it's not

485
00:27:08,533 --> 00:27:10,933
Speaker 4: getting much time and the air is that they'll be covered.

486
00:27:11,813 --> 00:27:15,213
Speaker 4: Mark said, it just really rained very heavily between the

487
00:27:15,293 --> 00:27:19,973
Speaker 4: two games for the day in between, and they've probably

488
00:27:20,053 --> 00:27:22,893
Speaker 4: done quite well to even get as much as they've had,

489
00:27:24,213 --> 00:27:25,213
Speaker 4: which is very little.

490
00:27:25,773 --> 00:27:27,733
Speaker 2: It's good to see the key we contingent have got

491
00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:33,133
Speaker 2: a fair support from pearents such a The interesting thing

492
00:27:33,173 --> 00:27:35,773
Speaker 2: to my mind was that India actually qualified for the

493
00:27:35,813 --> 00:27:38,173
Speaker 2: Super six days before New Zealand even played a game.

494
00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:41,093
Speaker 2: They had two of their games early in good conditions.

495
00:27:41,133 --> 00:27:45,973
Speaker 2: Funny that, isn't it, India getting their games and getting qualified.

496
00:27:46,493 --> 00:27:48,333
Speaker 2: They've already got a net run rate of two point

497
00:27:48,373 --> 00:27:50,213
Speaker 2: oh two. When New Zealand play India, it's going to

498
00:27:50,253 --> 00:27:52,493
Speaker 2: be hard to knock that over, even if they beat

499
00:27:52,573 --> 00:27:56,493
Speaker 2: them to beat their net run rate. So you've got

500
00:27:56,573 --> 00:27:58,733
Speaker 2: to look at it and say, well, they're probably either

501
00:27:58,773 --> 00:28:02,973
Speaker 2: going to come second or third in Paul B depending

502
00:28:03,013 --> 00:28:05,493
Speaker 2: on whether and what happens in the other game, particularly

503
00:28:05,533 --> 00:28:09,493
Speaker 2: against Bangladesh in the United States means they are likely

504
00:28:09,533 --> 00:28:14,573
Speaker 2: in the Super Sixers to play against England or Pakistan

505
00:28:14,813 --> 00:28:17,293
Speaker 2: if they should happen to win the pool to be

506
00:28:17,293 --> 00:28:20,293
Speaker 2: Scotland and Zimbabwe. But I think that that is probably

507
00:28:20,293 --> 00:28:24,533
Speaker 2: an outside chance. At the mayor particularly, we're in that

508
00:28:24,653 --> 00:28:28,693
Speaker 2: situation because you've got to to beat India and beat

509
00:28:28,733 --> 00:28:31,013
Speaker 2: them convincingly. You've got to be able to put together

510
00:28:31,013 --> 00:28:33,933
Speaker 2: an emphatic performance. And at the moment, they haven't done

511
00:28:34,653 --> 00:28:36,733
Speaker 2: both together, have they. They've had a they've had a bowl.

512
00:28:36,853 --> 00:28:40,893
Speaker 4: Well, they haven't had a chance. I mean you'd like to.

513
00:28:41,013 --> 00:28:43,853
Speaker 4: I mean you need I mean to play well, you

514
00:28:43,973 --> 00:28:45,093
Speaker 4: need to be playing games.

515
00:28:45,173 --> 00:28:45,613
Speaker 3: We know that.

516
00:28:47,373 --> 00:28:50,973
Speaker 4: Nothing like match play. I mean the English found that

517
00:28:51,093 --> 00:28:54,813
Speaker 4: out against the Aussies, didn't they. And so look, it's

518
00:28:55,453 --> 00:28:57,493
Speaker 4: it's the same as where the where the women were

519
00:28:57,533 --> 00:28:59,773
Speaker 4: playing in the World Cup and down in Maroon, down

520
00:28:59,813 --> 00:29:01,973
Speaker 4: there in Sri Lanka for a couple of games and

521
00:29:02,093 --> 00:29:04,493
Speaker 4: didn't get a back to ball either really.

522
00:29:04,813 --> 00:29:07,453
Speaker 2: Or in New Zealand when we invite a touring team

523
00:29:07,493 --> 00:29:10,773
Speaker 2: here in October, games get washed out. You just don't

524
00:29:10,773 --> 00:29:11,453
Speaker 2: get in play.

525
00:29:11,893 --> 00:29:13,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.

526
00:29:13,453 --> 00:29:16,853
Speaker 4: Well that's because we're pushing the season earlier and earlier

527
00:29:16,893 --> 00:29:20,013
Speaker 4: and earlier because to get games in. They want to

528
00:29:20,053 --> 00:29:23,213
Speaker 4: make money, they want to put more games on so

529
00:29:23,853 --> 00:29:27,013
Speaker 4: and there's generally white ball games, isn't it. So that's

530
00:29:27,653 --> 00:29:29,573
Speaker 4: that's the way I'm afraid of the world that the

531
00:29:29,653 --> 00:29:32,533
Speaker 4: mot was wouldn't be if you and I were in charge.

532
00:29:35,653 --> 00:29:37,573
Speaker 4: But that's very little chance of that.

533
00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:42,373
Speaker 3: On the front foot with Waddle and Cody.

534
00:29:43,653 --> 00:29:47,213
Speaker 2: Let's talk about coaching. I wonder whether Scott Robinson has

535
00:29:47,293 --> 00:29:49,853
Speaker 2: been in touch with Brendan McCallum or the other way around.

536
00:29:49,893 --> 00:29:54,053
Speaker 2: With Brendan Scott Robinson. They might want to swap jobs.

537
00:29:55,453 --> 00:29:59,093
Speaker 2: Robinson's looking for a new job, Will McCallum be looking

538
00:29:59,133 --> 00:29:59,853
Speaker 2: for a new job.

539
00:30:00,573 --> 00:30:04,693
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, whatever I say, it's got nothing to

540
00:30:04,773 --> 00:30:07,213
Speaker 4: do with it, really, I mean, I've got.

541
00:30:08,733 --> 00:30:13,133
Speaker 3: I know, but I mean, you know, four years he's

542
00:30:13,173 --> 00:30:17,013
Speaker 3: had in charge now, and I.

543
00:30:18,573 --> 00:30:21,533
Speaker 4: Think really after a tour like that was, I mean,

544
00:30:21,733 --> 00:30:24,533
Speaker 4: at the moment, the saying is that they're going to

545
00:30:25,213 --> 00:30:30,493
Speaker 4: retain you know, the all the all the staff at

546
00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:35,733
Speaker 4: the moment, and they'll give them, you know, a chance

547
00:30:35,893 --> 00:30:39,093
Speaker 4: to see if they can change their what they call culture.

548
00:30:41,293 --> 00:30:44,333
Speaker 3: Of the of how the England team, you know, is

549
00:30:44,413 --> 00:30:45,653
Speaker 3: prepared as how they play.

550
00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:50,773
Speaker 4: I would have thought that of anybody McCullum and the

551
00:30:50,893 --> 00:30:56,133
Speaker 4: coach was in charge of setting the culture. I mean,

552
00:30:56,173 --> 00:30:59,213
Speaker 4: he wasn't really a coach as I as I understand

553
00:30:59,293 --> 00:31:06,133
Speaker 4: the word coach. To me, he's more of an almost

554
00:31:06,173 --> 00:31:12,893
Speaker 4: a pseudo psychologist. Where I heard Stuart Broad talking about

555
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:17,613
Speaker 4: how he coaches, if I can put that in that

556
00:31:17,733 --> 00:31:21,733
Speaker 4: word into the sentence. He gets them to sit around

557
00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,733
Speaker 4: in a circle and they get a chance, all the

558
00:31:23,813 --> 00:31:28,013
Speaker 4: players to say something about whatever they're talking about, and

559
00:31:28,133 --> 00:31:30,373
Speaker 4: then he sort of picks it up and goes from there.

560
00:31:31,053 --> 00:31:34,613
Speaker 4: But it's certainly not like a batting coach. I mean

561
00:31:34,693 --> 00:31:37,573
Speaker 4: batting coaches too. They use those dog throwers a lot,

562
00:31:38,133 --> 00:31:41,053
Speaker 4: and I don't think that's That's not what you hire

563
00:31:41,093 --> 00:31:45,453
Speaker 4: a batting coach for. Really, I think there has to

564
00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:48,653
Speaker 4: be the certainly they need a coach of some sort.

565
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:52,493
Speaker 4: And one of the early things that McCullum did was

566
00:31:52,533 --> 00:31:56,053
Speaker 4: he got rid of all the specialist staff. He cleared

567
00:31:56,093 --> 00:32:01,813
Speaker 4: them out so that there were less voices and messages

568
00:32:02,493 --> 00:32:06,693
Speaker 4: being told to the players from different places like those coaches.

569
00:32:07,573 --> 00:32:12,453
Speaker 4: So they went no fielding coach, no bowling coach, and

570
00:32:12,573 --> 00:32:17,053
Speaker 4: that was right up until in fact they arrived in Australia.

571
00:32:18,333 --> 00:32:22,253
Speaker 4: They hurriedly got a bowling coaching and there were people

572
00:32:22,373 --> 00:32:25,693
Speaker 4: flying and then flying out. They didn't have a fielding

573
00:32:25,813 --> 00:32:31,373
Speaker 4: coach and they certainly need some of those in my opinion.

574
00:32:33,813 --> 00:32:36,893
Speaker 4: So I just it's been an interesting four years, hasn't

575
00:32:36,933 --> 00:32:41,293
Speaker 4: it with McCullum. He's changed the way. It was an

576
00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:42,053
Speaker 4: easy start.

577
00:32:42,213 --> 00:32:42,853
Speaker 3: They were lost.

578
00:32:43,093 --> 00:32:47,133
Speaker 4: What one at sixteen out of seventeen was it? They

579
00:32:47,213 --> 00:32:49,773
Speaker 4: had lost and so it was kind of a good

580
00:32:49,893 --> 00:32:53,493
Speaker 4: time to come in and hear a new message and

581
00:32:53,613 --> 00:32:58,013
Speaker 4: he certainly provided that a little bit in the essence

582
00:32:58,093 --> 00:33:03,373
Speaker 4: of how he played really very aggressively take the bowler

583
00:33:03,493 --> 00:33:07,693
Speaker 4: on and we remember that in New Zealand, about how

584
00:33:07,813 --> 00:33:13,893
Speaker 4: he played as a player correct and that's how they

585
00:33:13,973 --> 00:33:17,173
Speaker 4: approached it, and they got very good results in the

586
00:33:17,253 --> 00:33:22,413
Speaker 4: first two years, exciting to watch, sort of a new

587
00:33:22,813 --> 00:33:27,453
Speaker 4: idea about Test cricket. So people were engaged. So he

588
00:33:27,653 --> 00:33:30,613
Speaker 4: was very popular during that time. I think he formed

589
00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:36,133
Speaker 4: a very strong relationship with Rob Key, his boss, and

590
00:33:36,253 --> 00:33:39,333
Speaker 4: that was quite important. I think he gained his confidence

591
00:33:39,493 --> 00:33:44,893
Speaker 4: and kind of almost got him to approve most of

592
00:33:44,973 --> 00:33:48,453
Speaker 4: the things that he wanted, and he wanted really then

593
00:33:48,573 --> 00:33:54,133
Speaker 4: moved on to selections. He wanted batsman who played a

594
00:33:54,253 --> 00:33:59,933
Speaker 4: certain way. I don't think he necessarily forced them to

595
00:34:00,053 --> 00:34:03,613
Speaker 4: do that, but he encouraged them to to take the

596
00:34:03,653 --> 00:34:10,333
Speaker 4: ball and so players like Brook for example, who we

597
00:34:11,173 --> 00:34:14,853
Speaker 4: honestly we saw him charging down the wicket very early

598
00:34:14,973 --> 00:34:20,973
Speaker 4: on in sometimes first ball in his innings. As I mentioned,

599
00:34:21,013 --> 00:34:24,493
Speaker 4: he cleared out the back room staff. They brought the

600
00:34:24,533 --> 00:34:27,133
Speaker 4: kooker bough in to get rid of the seventy to

601
00:34:27,253 --> 00:34:31,453
Speaker 4: seventy five mile in our bowlers seamers early on in

602
00:34:31,533 --> 00:34:35,893
Speaker 4: the county championship with the wicket keeper standing up. What

603
00:34:36,013 --> 00:34:38,813
Speaker 4: a joke that was when you saw Kerry standing up,

604
00:34:38,933 --> 00:34:39,213
Speaker 4: wasn't it?

605
00:34:40,253 --> 00:34:44,653
Speaker 3: In the ashes? But however, that that was what he

606
00:34:44,733 --> 00:34:45,493
Speaker 3: wanted to get rid of.

607
00:34:45,613 --> 00:34:51,413
Speaker 4: He wanted tall bowlers, he wanted short, fast, short bowling

608
00:34:51,933 --> 00:34:56,773
Speaker 4: and fast bowling eighty five We know all this. That's

609
00:34:56,853 --> 00:35:01,333
Speaker 4: where he moved from and that went very well for

610
00:35:01,453 --> 00:35:04,053
Speaker 4: the first two years. The second two years they started

611
00:35:04,093 --> 00:35:10,213
Speaker 4: to lose games. They they took time away from the

612
00:35:10,253 --> 00:35:16,053
Speaker 4: game that was valued. Freshness was valued, makeshire was valued.

613
00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:21,453
Speaker 4: England seemed to discount the World Test Championship a bit,

614
00:35:22,533 --> 00:35:25,973
Speaker 4: you know, losing points for bowl you know, for not

615
00:35:26,133 --> 00:35:31,373
Speaker 4: bowling their overs. It cost them dramatically. Game seemed to

616
00:35:31,413 --> 00:35:35,213
Speaker 4: be tossed away. Do you remember in Hamilton the Third Test?

617
00:35:35,373 --> 00:35:38,333
Speaker 4: I mean that was I think Saudi's last Test match

618
00:35:38,373 --> 00:35:42,053
Speaker 4: where they played very weekly Sri Lanka. They did it

619
00:35:42,133 --> 00:35:46,013
Speaker 4: at the Oval against Sri Lanka at the Oval and

620
00:35:46,093 --> 00:35:49,053
Speaker 4: the third Test match as well. They did it against

621
00:35:49,173 --> 00:35:53,333
Speaker 4: Pakistan after winning the first Test very well on a

622
00:35:53,413 --> 00:35:54,013
Speaker 4: flat pitch.

623
00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:55,373
Speaker 3: That was another thing.

624
00:35:56,213 --> 00:35:58,893
Speaker 4: This method works on a flat pitch, It doesn't work

625
00:35:58,973 --> 00:36:02,493
Speaker 4: on one that moves around, and teams have worked that out,

626
00:36:02,573 --> 00:36:04,933
Speaker 4: I think because they then lost the last two when

627
00:36:04,973 --> 00:36:08,093
Speaker 4: they played them on spinning pitches. And then there was

628
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:12,093
Speaker 4: a to all series against India who were really aside

629
00:36:12,613 --> 00:36:14,733
Speaker 4: in a state of flux with no row At and

630
00:36:14,853 --> 00:36:19,853
Speaker 4: no Coalie and a new captain. So really I think

631
00:36:20,453 --> 00:36:24,373
Speaker 4: then then of course they'd made bold selections. How can

632
00:36:24,453 --> 00:36:28,293
Speaker 4: you play Wood Wads in the team. I'm talking just

633
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:30,933
Speaker 4: about selecting a team at the moment. How can you

634
00:36:30,973 --> 00:36:33,493
Speaker 4: play Wood when he hasn't played at all? So Bo

635
00:36:33,653 --> 00:36:36,853
Speaker 4: was eleven over in his home Archer managed three tests

636
00:36:36,893 --> 00:36:39,413
Speaker 4: because he played a little bit before, but then he's home.

637
00:36:39,773 --> 00:36:43,573
Speaker 4: They had no opening bowler, so there was yeah, and

638
00:36:43,693 --> 00:36:46,253
Speaker 4: then they had the preparations of course for their game

639
00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:50,133
Speaker 4: that they hadn't prepared. What they needed was some guy

640
00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:55,133
Speaker 4: really who came in between Key and McCullum.

641
00:36:56,133 --> 00:36:59,053
Speaker 3: For me, that that crossed the t's and dotted the

642
00:36:59,133 --> 00:36:59,893
Speaker 3: eyes a man.

643
00:37:00,733 --> 00:37:03,093
Speaker 4: You know, whatever the plans were they had with the

644
00:37:03,173 --> 00:37:07,973
Speaker 4: cricket was a very feasible and realistic and brought the.

645
00:37:07,973 --> 00:37:09,493
Speaker 3: Budget it back into it.

646
00:37:09,573 --> 00:37:13,093
Speaker 4: They need an accountant, They needed a conscientious kind of

647
00:37:13,213 --> 00:37:16,973
Speaker 4: detail man to wring the whacker up and book it.

648
00:37:17,853 --> 00:37:19,893
Speaker 3: I can't see how they survive YEP.

649
00:37:20,173 --> 00:37:20,893
Speaker 2: Consequences.

650
00:37:21,253 --> 00:37:23,253
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, Well they didn't have them. That's not

651
00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:25,333
Speaker 3: for the players either, did they.

652
00:37:25,973 --> 00:37:26,253
Speaker 2: Nope.

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Speaker 3: You play a week shot, you don't. You're getting out

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Speaker 3: just before lunch. You're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: You're looking at the game the other guys on one

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Speaker 4: hundred and you're firing stick at the other end. You

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Speaker 4: can't play test cricket that way. And that's really the

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Speaker 4: message that they've actually found out is that at the

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Speaker 4: end of it all, there is another way to play

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Speaker 4: test cricket.

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Speaker 2: They're gamblers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah they are. That's exactly what they are. And they

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Speaker 4: got what they deserved, I'm afraid, and that's.

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Speaker 2: What they're going to have to face up to when

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Speaker 2: it comes to making a decision. McCullum's got the team

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Speaker 2: at the World T twenty. Then he's going to go

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Speaker 2: home and prepare for a New Zealand tour. That is

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Speaker 2: going to be an interesting one because they will back

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Speaker 2: themselves in their home territory to a deal to New

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Speaker 2: Zealand who haven't played a lot of Test cricket recently.

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Speaker 2: And I guess they've got to make a decision between

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Speaker 2: now and then. We'll watch that with a little bit

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Speaker 2: of interest, Jeremy. I'm sure you'll be able to make

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Speaker 2: at night watching the under nineteenes and of course two

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Speaker 2: thirty in the morning if you want to watch the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand team play teen twenties in India. I think

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Speaker 2: I'll watch the replay.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think I'll be up at that time.

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Speaker 4: Why it's not really replays, so podcast will be a

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Speaker 4: little bit later the next day, I think, rather than

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Speaker 4: the early mornings afternoon recordings.

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Speaker 3: I think so mate, all right, go and pick your.

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Speaker 2: Feed up as time coming and I'm talking again next week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah good ones. They care Mate.

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Speaker 5: Summer.

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