1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:13,653 Speaker 1: from News Talks that Be and Doogle. 3 00:00:13,333 --> 00:00:15,893 Speaker 2: Southerland from Umbrella Wellbeing is here with us this morning 4 00:00:15,933 --> 00:00:19,773 Speaker 2: with some fascinating research looking at how people from various 5 00:00:19,773 --> 00:00:23,053 Speaker 2: different jobs rate their well being and we can kind 6 00:00:23,053 --> 00:00:26,053 Speaker 2: of narrow down the happiest jobs in New Zealand Google 7 00:00:27,093 --> 00:00:27,733 Speaker 2: Cure Jack. 8 00:00:27,813 --> 00:00:31,933 Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, this this has looked at how well people 9 00:00:32,013 --> 00:00:38,133 Speaker 3: rated their life satisfaction and their job satisfaction. And look, 10 00:00:38,613 --> 00:00:43,133 Speaker 3: the general trend is, perhaps not unsurprisingly, the more money 11 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:46,093 Speaker 3: that you make, the more satisfied with life you tend 12 00:00:46,173 --> 00:00:49,773 Speaker 3: to be. So you know, if you're earning two hundred 13 00:00:49,773 --> 00:00:52,093 Speaker 3: thousand dollars on average, you're going to be happier than 14 00:00:52,133 --> 00:00:56,613 Speaker 3: if you're earning fifty thousand dollars. I'm afraid to say, 15 00:00:57,133 --> 00:01:00,013 Speaker 3: but yeah, there are some, there are some that buck 16 00:01:00,093 --> 00:01:06,253 Speaker 3: that trend. In fact, they've found that teachers, police firefight 17 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:12,733 Speaker 3: his defense force or amongst the happiest or the most satisfied, 18 00:01:12,773 --> 00:01:17,973 Speaker 3: sorry with their life. And yeah, yeah, and they weren't 19 00:01:18,013 --> 00:01:20,453 Speaker 3: necessary they backed the trend to it because they're not necessary. 20 00:01:20,453 --> 00:01:22,333 Speaker 4: People going tochers don't get paid that much and that 21 00:01:22,413 --> 00:01:23,293 Speaker 4: and that's true. 22 00:01:23,813 --> 00:01:27,453 Speaker 3: So they weren't necessarily the highest paid jobs, but they 23 00:01:27,533 --> 00:01:31,453 Speaker 3: came out as some of the most satisfied with their life. 24 00:01:32,693 --> 00:01:34,453 Speaker 3: You know, they had a they had a moderate amount 25 00:01:34,493 --> 00:01:38,253 Speaker 3: of income, but but but they reported their happiest with 26 00:01:38,333 --> 00:01:38,933 Speaker 3: their lives. 27 00:01:39,213 --> 00:01:43,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose that they it's a question of purpose 28 00:01:43,173 --> 00:01:43,733 Speaker 2: and meaning. 29 00:01:44,733 --> 00:01:46,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, you might think that A. 30 00:01:46,613 --> 00:01:49,813 Speaker 3: I think that's that that people fit and those professions 31 00:01:49,853 --> 00:01:52,693 Speaker 3: feel that they are, you know, giving something back to 32 00:01:52,773 --> 00:01:56,693 Speaker 3: society or making a real different and so so that 33 00:01:56,693 --> 00:01:59,693 Speaker 3: that that might be part of it. That that actually 34 00:02:00,093 --> 00:02:04,613 Speaker 3: and people farmers to accept the dairy farmers, other farmers 35 00:02:04,653 --> 00:02:07,733 Speaker 3: and quotes, uh that they were also pretty happy. 36 00:02:07,893 --> 00:02:10,533 Speaker 4: I am also just on a quick tangent. I tried 37 00:02:10,573 --> 00:02:15,173 Speaker 4: to look up some alias and wine tastes during the news. 38 00:02:15,373 --> 00:02:17,853 Speaker 4: I couldn't fight they weren't listed in a separate group. 39 00:02:18,413 --> 00:02:20,093 Speaker 4: I'm afraid probably a. 40 00:02:20,973 --> 00:02:24,973 Speaker 2: Huge numbers of smelias and wine in New Zealand. 41 00:02:25,893 --> 00:02:29,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they grouped them under with waiters, which 42 00:02:29,093 --> 00:02:32,573 Speaker 3: I think is slightly They might be slightly offended by that. 43 00:02:32,733 --> 00:02:35,533 Speaker 3: And and waiters tended not to have all that much 44 00:02:35,653 --> 00:02:38,813 Speaker 3: life satisfaction or lower levels of life satisfaction. 45 00:02:38,893 --> 00:02:39,453 Speaker 4: Anyway, so we. 46 00:02:39,373 --> 00:02:43,053 Speaker 3: Couldn't even trying to look up like, you know, vineyard owners, 47 00:02:43,053 --> 00:02:44,533 Speaker 3: I thought, or wine maker. 48 00:02:44,653 --> 00:02:45,813 Speaker 4: But no, they couldn't find them. 49 00:02:45,853 --> 00:02:50,173 Speaker 3: Other they're just coming under other horticultural workers unfortunately, so 50 00:02:50,333 --> 00:02:51,493 Speaker 3: again probably not big enough. 51 00:02:51,533 --> 00:02:54,173 Speaker 1: But yes, thought you. 52 00:02:54,133 --> 00:02:56,853 Speaker 2: Would wine makers, although you know there can be stress. 53 00:02:57,173 --> 00:02:58,813 Speaker 2: You know a lot of those, you know, something like 54 00:02:58,853 --> 00:03:02,533 Speaker 2: that was very weather dependent, you know, the market depend 55 00:03:02,373 --> 00:03:04,693 Speaker 2: can you can imagine how when the times are good, 56 00:03:04,733 --> 00:03:08,373 Speaker 2: they're great, and when the times are they. 57 00:03:07,853 --> 00:03:09,533 Speaker 3: And that that seemed to be the case for dairy 58 00:03:09,573 --> 00:03:12,893 Speaker 3: farmers because other farmers and quotes they were quite high 59 00:03:12,933 --> 00:03:17,293 Speaker 3: in life satisfaction, but dairy farmers were way down. And 60 00:03:17,373 --> 00:03:20,453 Speaker 3: maybe yeah, maybe that's kind of that. Maybe they're more 61 00:03:21,253 --> 00:03:25,693 Speaker 3: it's unrelenting dairy farming, right, relenting every day you've got 62 00:03:25,733 --> 00:03:26,853 Speaker 3: to be milking those bows. 63 00:03:27,733 --> 00:03:30,413 Speaker 4: You know, you don't get a weekend. And maybe some 64 00:03:30,573 --> 00:03:32,253 Speaker 4: bad bad vibes. 65 00:03:32,373 --> 00:03:34,213 Speaker 2: Well, your bad vibes are also the money, or at 66 00:03:34,293 --> 00:03:36,373 Speaker 2: least in recent years of them, is you know, not 67 00:03:36,413 --> 00:03:38,213 Speaker 2: for every dairy farm of course, but I would have 68 00:03:38,213 --> 00:03:41,533 Speaker 2: thought the returns are pretty good, you know, and maybe 69 00:03:41,653 --> 00:03:44,613 Speaker 2: slightly less volatile than some other forms of farming. 70 00:03:44,773 --> 00:03:46,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, you would have thought he but and there has 71 00:03:46,613 --> 00:03:49,853 Speaker 3: been other research saying that that, you know, up to 72 00:03:49,893 --> 00:03:53,533 Speaker 3: fifty percent of dairy farmers report mental health problems and 73 00:03:54,453 --> 00:03:56,613 Speaker 3: so that so there there are a group that is 74 00:03:56,653 --> 00:03:59,773 Speaker 3: that's doing it tough even if the even if the 75 00:03:59,813 --> 00:04:02,693 Speaker 3: incomes okay, they are still doing it tough mentally. So 76 00:04:02,733 --> 00:04:05,573 Speaker 3: that's it's it's good to sort of think about that 77 00:04:05,773 --> 00:04:06,333 Speaker 3: how we can help them. 78 00:04:06,493 --> 00:04:10,293 Speaker 2: So in terms of professions where they're kind of buck 79 00:04:10,373 --> 00:04:16,133 Speaker 2: the trend for more money meaning more satisfaction, lawyers and 80 00:04:16,253 --> 00:04:20,373 Speaker 2: medical professions, professionals have lower levels of life satisfactions than 81 00:04:20,413 --> 00:04:21,413 Speaker 2: their income would predict. 82 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:25,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And I think maybe we could 83 00:04:26,013 --> 00:04:28,853 Speaker 3: all kind of speculate. We hear lots about particularly doctors, 84 00:04:28,853 --> 00:04:32,653 Speaker 3: being burnt out on the huge workload they've had they have, 85 00:04:33,253 --> 00:04:36,693 Speaker 3: and so that might be coming through here, and I 86 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:38,453 Speaker 3: think we could just speculate about lawyers. 87 00:04:38,453 --> 00:04:40,493 Speaker 4: You know, people have their own opinions about lawyers and 88 00:04:40,533 --> 00:04:43,053 Speaker 4: how good they are and what they're doing for society 89 00:04:43,733 --> 00:04:45,093 Speaker 4: except when you need one and then you go, oh, 90 00:04:45,133 --> 00:04:45,573 Speaker 4: they're great. 91 00:04:45,733 --> 00:04:48,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe you know, maybe some of some of 92 00:04:48,893 --> 00:04:51,533 Speaker 3: the content that lawyers are dealing with it makes their 93 00:04:51,573 --> 00:04:55,093 Speaker 3: life not as satisfied. And I know, I know a 94 00:04:55,133 --> 00:04:58,133 Speaker 3: few lawyers and gosh they work hard, you know, sad days, Sundays, 95 00:04:58,213 --> 00:05:01,493 Speaker 3: late nights. Yeah, so maybe that's part as well as 96 00:05:01,573 --> 00:05:03,413 Speaker 3: just as just the relentless hours of it. 97 00:05:03,893 --> 00:05:05,013 Speaker 2: Is there a gender split? 98 00:05:09,573 --> 00:05:11,973 Speaker 4: There tends to be that. 99 00:05:12,093 --> 00:05:15,133 Speaker 3: Certainly, women who are in what you might call traditional 100 00:05:15,253 --> 00:05:18,333 Speaker 3: sort of male dominated areas don't tend to be as happy, 101 00:05:19,093 --> 00:05:24,333 Speaker 3: and they're happier in industries which are more female dominated, 102 00:05:24,693 --> 00:05:29,533 Speaker 3: and things like sort of hospitality management is listed as 103 00:05:29,573 --> 00:05:31,373 Speaker 3: one areas for where there are lots of women. So 104 00:05:31,813 --> 00:05:33,653 Speaker 3: sort of the rule of thumb for women seems to 105 00:05:33,653 --> 00:05:35,693 Speaker 3: be if you're around other women you tend to have 106 00:05:36,973 --> 00:05:39,653 Speaker 3: in your job, you tend to have a higher life. 107 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:41,893 Speaker 4: Satisfaction than if you are sort of not. There aren't 108 00:05:41,893 --> 00:05:44,373 Speaker 4: so many of you around that, which makes some sense, 109 00:05:44,413 --> 00:05:44,733 Speaker 4: I guess. 110 00:05:44,733 --> 00:05:46,733 Speaker 2: And so who was kind of at the bottom. 111 00:05:47,533 --> 00:05:52,653 Speaker 3: Not surprisingly cleaners, laundry workers, retail workers, those people who 112 00:05:52,693 --> 00:05:55,693 Speaker 3: are just you know, who are vital to our economy 113 00:05:55,733 --> 00:05:58,853 Speaker 3: and to our society functioning, but perhaps don't ever get 114 00:05:58,853 --> 00:06:01,493 Speaker 3: the kudos, and they do tend to be at the lower, 115 00:06:01,733 --> 00:06:03,653 Speaker 3: way lower end of the pay scale. 116 00:06:06,093 --> 00:06:07,493 Speaker 4: But know, we all need them. 117 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:10,413 Speaker 3: We all want our offices cleaned, and you know, when 118 00:06:10,413 --> 00:06:11,893 Speaker 3: you go to the shops, you want somebody to be 119 00:06:11,933 --> 00:06:15,173 Speaker 3: able to serve you. So they're super very useful role 120 00:06:15,253 --> 00:06:17,533 Speaker 3: in our society, but they just don't get paid much. 121 00:06:17,613 --> 00:06:21,813 Speaker 3: And and perhaps that gets that shines through in these results. 122 00:06:22,253 --> 00:06:26,533 Speaker 2: What about journalists and psychologists? How do we go doodle? 123 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:30,133 Speaker 3: Yeah? I had I had to dig because journalists and 124 00:06:30,213 --> 00:06:33,133 Speaker 3: psychologists artists a separately. The journalists are grouped in with 125 00:06:33,253 --> 00:06:36,213 Speaker 3: arts and media professionals. And the bad news is that 126 00:06:36,253 --> 00:06:40,733 Speaker 3: a little lower than average for journalists, but psychologists are 127 00:06:40,773 --> 00:06:42,013 Speaker 3: a little higher than average. 128 00:06:43,053 --> 00:06:49,213 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so but yes, that that that result. 129 00:06:49,293 --> 00:06:51,373 Speaker 3: You know, as I said, they're mixed in with other 130 00:06:52,413 --> 00:06:56,213 Speaker 3: other groups in terms of professionals. So you know, you 131 00:06:56,293 --> 00:06:59,493 Speaker 3: might say that actually people that have radio shows on 132 00:06:59,573 --> 00:07:05,013 Speaker 3: Saturday morning might be really really happy. Of course, yeah, 133 00:07:05,213 --> 00:07:06,933 Speaker 3: a smart sample size of one. 134 00:07:06,893 --> 00:07:10,213 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I think, yeah, I think. The truth 135 00:07:10,293 --> 00:07:12,973 Speaker 2: is that a lot of journos, you know that they 136 00:07:13,493 --> 00:07:17,453 Speaker 2: I mean, the pay and journalism isn't what attracts most 137 00:07:17,453 --> 00:07:19,453 Speaker 2: people to the industry, So I can I can kind 138 00:07:19,453 --> 00:07:20,893 Speaker 2: of understand that. And you know, there a lot of 139 00:07:20,973 --> 00:07:23,173 Speaker 2: job pressures and industry pressures at the moments, and that 140 00:07:23,253 --> 00:07:25,493 Speaker 2: kind of makes sense, I think, yeah. 141 00:07:25,413 --> 00:07:27,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was thinking about musicians as well too, 142 00:07:28,653 --> 00:07:32,733 Speaker 3: and museos and artists are in that kind of group 143 00:07:32,773 --> 00:07:34,653 Speaker 3: as well. And it's sort of like, actually, the money 144 00:07:34,733 --> 00:07:38,213 Speaker 3: is probably not why why you're doing it that there's 145 00:07:38,253 --> 00:07:41,093 Speaker 3: other things that are that are motivating you to do that. 146 00:07:41,253 --> 00:07:44,813 Speaker 3: And so for some of those people that their job 147 00:07:44,893 --> 00:07:48,573 Speaker 3: satisfaction isn't super high, but their satisfaction with life is 148 00:07:48,613 --> 00:07:51,693 Speaker 3: a bit higher than than perhaps will be predicted by 149 00:07:51,693 --> 00:07:52,693 Speaker 3: how much money they're making. 150 00:07:52,813 --> 00:07:55,973 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, said so why is this useful? 151 00:07:57,093 --> 00:07:59,373 Speaker 4: Well, look, I think you know a bunch of reasons. 152 00:07:59,373 --> 00:08:02,853 Speaker 3: Firstly, you know, as young people setting out in life 153 00:08:02,893 --> 00:08:05,253 Speaker 3: and thinking about what career you want, you might want 154 00:08:05,253 --> 00:08:08,093 Speaker 3: to take not be completely guided by this, but at 155 00:08:08,173 --> 00:08:08,893 Speaker 3: least think about it. 156 00:08:08,933 --> 00:08:09,933 Speaker 4: You know, where are we going? 157 00:08:10,013 --> 00:08:13,733 Speaker 3: And gosh, you know, oh gosh, oh lawyers. Maybe not 158 00:08:13,773 --> 00:08:16,173 Speaker 3: trying to steer anybody away from the law. Sorry, I 159 00:08:16,213 --> 00:08:21,093 Speaker 3: am a failed law student myself. I yeah, yeah, yeah, 160 00:08:21,173 --> 00:08:23,013 Speaker 3: that's s I did three years and then I gave 161 00:08:23,013 --> 00:08:23,333 Speaker 3: it away. 162 00:08:24,213 --> 00:08:24,893 Speaker 4: I think this is for me. 163 00:08:24,933 --> 00:08:32,413 Speaker 3: I do psychology, so yeah, also for for occupations you know, 164 00:08:32,573 --> 00:08:35,693 Speaker 3: or employers themselves, like if you, you know, if you're 165 00:08:35,733 --> 00:08:38,613 Speaker 3: run a cleaning company, you might sort of think, actually, 166 00:08:38,973 --> 00:08:41,373 Speaker 3: in general, how people might not be super happy with life. 167 00:08:41,373 --> 00:08:43,293 Speaker 3: What can we do to help help help them out, 168 00:08:43,293 --> 00:08:45,813 Speaker 3: to help them feel a bit better, because they're probably 169 00:08:45,893 --> 00:08:47,733 Speaker 3: then going to work better for you if you want 170 00:08:47,733 --> 00:08:47,973 Speaker 3: to be. 171 00:08:49,213 --> 00:08:52,973 Speaker 4: Crashly capitalist about it. Happy workers are good workers. 172 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:55,133 Speaker 3: But just from a moral point of view too, you 173 00:08:55,213 --> 00:08:57,133 Speaker 3: might want to say, hey, look, you know how people 174 00:08:57,213 --> 00:08:58,893 Speaker 3: might be suffering and doing it hard. How can we 175 00:08:58,933 --> 00:09:01,293 Speaker 3: make sure that they're valued and and and that we 176 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:02,013 Speaker 3: look after them. 177 00:09:02,093 --> 00:09:05,093 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, that's very interesting. Thank you so much. We'll 178 00:09:05,093 --> 00:09:06,893 Speaker 2: put a link thanks having to that search up on 179 00:09:06,893 --> 00:09:08,253 Speaker 2: the website so everyone can have a bit of a 180 00:09:08,293 --> 00:09:10,813 Speaker 2: look at their own industry. 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