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Speaker 1: Tim Soudy has stood down as the black Caps Test

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Speaker 1: captain following a recent slump in form and a series

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Speaker 1: lost to Sri Lanka. Saudi will be replaced by opening

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Speaker 1: batsman Tom Latham starting against India this month. Mike Hessen

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Speaker 1: is the black Caps former head coach and is with

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Speaker 1: us this evening. Good evening to join, Nice to be

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Speaker 1: speaking with you. Did he jump or was he pushed?

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Speaker 2: Team Tim is very much the ultimate team man really,

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Speaker 2: so if he felt that the team is better off,

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Speaker 2: he would have he would have left his own volition.

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Speaker 2: But I'm I'm a bit confused as to why he

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Speaker 2: would need to do that, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, why's that.

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Speaker 2: Look? I think you know. At the start of the series,

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Speaker 2: Tim was sort of told that he was unlikely to

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Speaker 2: play in all the games, and that was relatively public,

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Speaker 2: so heading it the sort of, you know, six games

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Speaker 2: away from home, and then he was named captain again.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of any other side in the world

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Speaker 2: where you would name a captain on a game by games,

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Speaker 2: you know, when you're playing for your nation. So I

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Speaker 2: thought the transition period made good sense, but then when

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Speaker 2: he was named captain, it's sort of made life pretty

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Speaker 2: difficult for Tim.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why would that have happened?

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm unsure. I mean, obviously that that difficult conversation

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Speaker 2: had already taken place around the fact that, hey, we're

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Speaker 2: probably going to transition you, you know, towards the end

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Speaker 2: of your career and obviously still a very important member

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Speaker 2: of the side. But there are other guys who are

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Speaker 2: also competing for spot, So that conversation already took place,

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Speaker 2: so and Tim Tim tom Lathan was obviously ready to go.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure why they didn't take it one

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Speaker 2: set through the really at that time, just to make

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Speaker 2: it easier on Tim.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think that would have made it easier

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Speaker 1: if they said, you know what we're gonna We're going

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Speaker 1: to bring you on the tour, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: have Tom Latham in the cap and see from the

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Speaker 1: word go, so that we don't have to stand you

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Speaker 1: down from it part way through.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's pretty fear that to understand

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Speaker 2: the terms not at the top of this game. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's been at SENTA for seventeen years, so he's more

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Speaker 2: towards the end and the start, So he would be

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Speaker 2: the first to understand, Hey, if I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: play every game, then how can I be captain? You know,

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Speaker 2: So it makes a lot more sense to someone who's

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Speaker 2: guaranteed to play everything likes of Tom to be a captain.

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Speaker 2: Then he doesn't have to set him those difficult selection meetings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's good enough to make the playing

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Speaker 1: eleven for the first tast against India?

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Speaker 2: I think in Bangalore when the ball swings, I think

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Speaker 2: he hit be serious consideration, but certainly not a guarantee.

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Speaker 2: I think Matt Henry has fighted his time and deserves,

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Speaker 2: absolutely deserves that opportunity. I mean, he's been sitting behind

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Speaker 2: bolts out there in Wagoner for many years and he

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Speaker 2: deserves that opportunity. So I think he's a showing if

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Speaker 2: well O'Rourke is fully fat there, I think he provides

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Speaker 2: that point of difference. And you know, whether they go

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Speaker 2: with three receivers in Bangalore when there's a bit of

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Speaker 2: rain rounds remains to be seen. But certainly not a guarantee,

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Speaker 2: but should certainly be in the conversation.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tim tim Sowdy is a bona fide legend

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Speaker 1: of New Zealand. Cricket. You know, what he has achieved

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Speaker 1: over the last sixteen or seventeen years is extraordinary. Do

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Speaker 1: you feel, Mike, that he has been let down by

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Speaker 1: the way this is all played out?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just a bit confused. As as I said before,

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Speaker 2: you know how he was put in this position to

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Speaker 2: being controlled of destiny. Really, I think it just he

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Speaker 2: was on a bit of hiding for nothing in all honesty,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think he I don't think that situation

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Speaker 2: should have arose.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Thanks Mike. Yeah, we appreciate that. That's

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Speaker 1: Mike Kesen, the former Black Caps captain. For more from

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