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Speaker 1: Get details today have some sort of relief package from

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Speaker 1: the government. Of course, we also have these newly aligned

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Speaker 1: fuel standards with Australia. Shane Jones as the Associated Minister

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Speaker 1: of Energy is with us.

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Speaker 2: Morning to you, Hey Gilda, morning folks.

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Speaker 1: Can you, in layman's terms, and I was watching yesterday

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Speaker 1: in the beehive, can you, in layman's terms, explain to

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Speaker 1: me what the alignment is? I mean, how different is

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Speaker 1: the fuel and how much more access to product do

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Speaker 1: we get as a result of it?

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Speaker 2: Right without risking the fear and the negative feedback of

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Speaker 2: reminding your listeners how little they know about chemistry. The

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Speaker 2: reason that we ended up with slightly different fuel specifications

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Speaker 2: attained to the different temperatures in our country. Fuel that

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Speaker 2: is designed for Queensland doesn't necessarily find great usefulness in

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Speaker 2: twice all, and there is a problem called engine knock. Now,

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Speaker 2: you being a car for you know that I would

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Speaker 2: know about this. And what we've ended up doing is

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Speaker 2: during that those specifications which can be aligned and harmonized

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Speaker 2: with the Aussies, we're signing them off. The most vulnerable

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Speaker 2: piece we're not signing off which does do damage to cars,

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Speaker 2: not unlike the new European car that you've got is

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Speaker 2: sulfur content inside the fuel that we use. That is

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Speaker 2: not going to be signed off until we're confident what's

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Speaker 2: the extent of risk to the new European emissions compliant

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Speaker 2: engines in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Right so well explained. Thank you. Having said that in

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Speaker 1: doing what we've done, how much more oil can we

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Speaker 1: get access to as a result.

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Speaker 2: Well, the fuel companies tell us that'll give them more options.

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Speaker 2: I think where we're heading, Mike is to an ANZAC

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Speaker 2: sort of arrangement, because on a good day, there's about

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Speaker 2: thirty million of us in Australasia and we're at the

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Speaker 2: end of the railway track. We need to work together.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has been talking with the Australian Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister and in the event, we need to act more

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Speaker 2: robustly on the supply side, and it's better that we

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Speaker 2: do it together. The harmonization of the specifications and the

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Speaker 2: technicalities will enable us to draw fuel from a wider

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Speaker 2: range of sources. That's what the oil companies tell us.

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Speaker 2: For example, one hundred and twenty million liter carrier, which

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Speaker 2: is not a milk run carrier, may be bringing that

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Speaker 2: fuel to Australia. Now, if that is the case, and

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Speaker 2: it's possible to drop some off in New Zealand by

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Speaker 2: aligning the specifications, that can happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems simple. Why don't we just make it permanent?

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Speaker 2: Well, the PM is actually on the case with the

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Speaker 2: host of his ministers and wants to see more harmonization

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Speaker 2: and alignment. And I would look no further than the

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Speaker 2: civil aviation regulations that like New Zealand and an organization

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Speaker 2: that has failed, in my view, the facilitation and the

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Speaker 2: development of our aviation sector. And I only hope and

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Speaker 2: pray we get around to harmonizing those regulations with the

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Speaker 2: Aussies and the Kiwis rather than later, should we?

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Speaker 1: Is it not these separate things, are they?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, obviously we have an absolute need for aviation innovation,

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Speaker 2: not only for regional travel but for export movements. And

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Speaker 2: our colleague mister Meeger's working with various elements in the bureaucracy.

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Speaker 2: That's a specific example of where we could do other harmonization.

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Speaker 2: If I get the support from the cabinet after further analysis,

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Speaker 2: then I'm all up for making this harmonization permanently, so.

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Speaker 1: This is never wasting a crisis where we're learning things here.

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Speaker 1: We may well come out of this better than when

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Speaker 1: we went in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. What we've got to make sure we do

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Speaker 2: is we don't turn the checkbook into confetti. And that

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Speaker 2: may sound a tad harsh, but the reality is we

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Speaker 2: have limited fiscal boundaries to work with them because, as

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Speaker 2: you've said on your own program, an enormous amount of

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Speaker 2: profligacy I was visited.

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Speaker 1: Upon us yes time, the speaking of which in this

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Speaker 1: announcement today, given what's happened overnight and this is clearly

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Speaker 1: ending very shortly, are you going to pull the trigger?

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Speaker 1: It's not your job, I get it, but you're the

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Speaker 1: only minister on Are you going to potentially pull the

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Speaker 1: trigger today? Just a bit soon? And you might want

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Speaker 1: to hold off.

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Speaker 2: Well, Winston has already said that the hostilities and the

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Speaker 2: actual conflict will be over well before we ever find

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Speaker 2: the time to put humpty dumpty back together again in

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Speaker 2: a fuel supply site. So what we're doing, quite apart

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Speaker 2: from the fiscal dimension that the Finance minis is going

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Speaker 2: to refer to your leater today, we've got to really

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Speaker 2: rephrase and rethink how we deal with fuel both from

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Speaker 2: a public trust point of view, national security point of view,

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Speaker 2: and economic resilience. So you're right that this work's going

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Speaker 2: to go on even after the hostility cease. But it's

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Speaker 2: up to the Finance minister to address the fiscal package.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't resist. And I don't blame you yesterday on

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Speaker 1: Marsden forget opening it, but the storage. I mean you

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Speaker 1: you appear without pissing in your pocket. You appear more

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Speaker 1: right by the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all I'm doing is I am day

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Speaker 2: by day reading the cabinet paper that that political fugitive

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Speaker 2: from electoral Justice to Cinda Adan did to our country

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Speaker 2: with Meghan Woods, he sort of muppet like support it

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Speaker 2: from the South Island and mate, we do not have

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Speaker 2: the ability to store enormous amounts of fuel for resilience

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Speaker 2: purposes because in the closure of the refinery they degraded

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Speaker 2: seven hundred million dollars worth of storage capacity, which is

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Speaker 2: sitting fifty percent idolist Marson point.

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Speaker 1: And that's just a statement of fact. You can't argue

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Speaker 1: with that. Listen, I appreciate it. Shane Jones, Associate Minister

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