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Speaker 1: Barry Sophis. He has seen their political correspondent for news talks.

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Speaker 1: He be very good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, right, great to have you here as always.

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Speaker 1: Now, the powers of how do you feel about these

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Speaker 1: powers of arrest citizens arrest?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean most countries in the world.

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Speaker 2: I looked up and had a look at doctor Google

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Speaker 2: and he tells me most countries in the world do

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Speaker 2: have a certain power of arrest for people in the

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Speaker 2: community to stop other people. But you know, people can

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Speaker 2: put themselves at risk. That is the thing that worries

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Speaker 2: me a bit. And the cops have always said, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't take the law into your own hands when it

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Speaker 2: comes to dealing with crime in particular. And some of

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Speaker 2: these people that walk into supermarkets are really pretty barely

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Speaker 2: looking guys. I mean, if it was Goldris Garriman, for example,

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Speaker 2: you remember she went into a shop and they asked her,

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Speaker 2: They asked her to open her bag, and she refused

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Speaker 2: and walked out. Well, you know, I'd be game enough

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Speaker 2: to stually grab the bag and have a lock in it,

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Speaker 2: which you could do under these.

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Speaker 1: Because I agree with you, I think you don't want

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Speaker 1: your default position to be everyone attacking everyone. Right, But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, when retail crime goes up eighty

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Speaker 1: five percent over the five year period, you literally don't

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Speaker 1: have enough cops.

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Speaker 2: To two point seven billion dollars a year is lifted

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Speaker 2: from retailers around this country, which is shocked.

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Speaker 1: You'll never have enough cops to fix that.

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Speaker 2: And I heard your take on it. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith, our Minister of Justice, he says he's familiar

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Speaker 2: with the way supermarket thieves operate.

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Speaker 3: And I've experienced with myself on a couple of occasions

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Speaker 3: with people just walking out of the supermarket, chased by security,

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Speaker 3: but ultimately they're not able to do anything and they

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Speaker 3: just have to watch while they take all their stuff

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Speaker 3: out of the trolley, put it into the car and

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Speaker 3: drive away. And it's not right. This change will force

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Speaker 3: nobody to do anything in terms of if they don't

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Speaker 3: want to, if a business is concerned, if they if

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Speaker 3: they have a policy that they don't want to intervene

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Speaker 3: in any circumstances, well that's up to them, or we'll

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Speaker 3: provide here is some tools that people can use if

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Speaker 3: the circumstances are right.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, I it was a Garriman case,

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Speaker 2: you would do it, but you know, I think you'd

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Speaker 2: be reluctant to do it. It was a big burly

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Speaker 2: guy walking out with a loaded supermarket trolly, how would

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Speaker 2: you tackle them and hold them there until the police came.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they are tools that clearly the retail industry

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Speaker 2: wants because Sonny Kershaw and people like that were on

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Speaker 2: that advisory group and these are the sorts of things

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Speaker 2: they've come up with, so they feel powerless. But I

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Speaker 2: don't think the law would stop them from apprehending somebody,

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Speaker 2: even the way it stood. But nevertheless, it just makes

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Speaker 2: it clear.

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Speaker 1: Clear, it clears it all up. It's interesting because I

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Speaker 1: think the dairy owners who are whose goods that are

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Speaker 1: being stolen, it's their property, they will use it. But

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Speaker 1: your health and safety mob at the supermarket won't be

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Speaker 1: interested in tackling it, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, And that is a real issue. I mean the

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Speaker 2: labor party, they've sighted the police saying don't take the

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Speaker 2: law into your own hands, and that's fair enough. I

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Speaker 2: think that's quite true that police would say that, and

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Speaker 2: the CTU, that's all. They are all very upset about it.

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Speaker 2: They say it's got serious implications for worker safety. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we know all that, but it just gives

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Speaker 2: them an extra tool in the toolbox. I guess.

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Speaker 1: Now the Cooks Prime Minister, sorry, tourism will talk tourism.

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Speaker 1: So we've got all this number.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's lovely, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Great numbers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you look at tourism stats in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand came out today and they show that tourism expenditure

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand forty four and a half billion dollars

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Speaker 2: for the year ending March twenty four, which is quite

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Speaker 2: extraordinary really. And you look at overseas visitor expenditure here

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Speaker 2: that increased by six point three billion bucks. So people

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Speaker 2: are coming the pre COVID levels they're returning to and

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Speaker 2: it's great for New Zealand to see more tourists coming

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Speaker 2: in here. And that is the row back to recovery

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Speaker 2: for this country. It's the second biggest earner at the

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Speaker 2: moment of foreign exchange, will it It could in fact

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Speaker 2: be the biggest earner before too long you'll.

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Speaker 1: Get back to number one.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Now, the Cooks PM Mark Brown, he's written to Luxe

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Speaker 1: and what's he saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, the PM's office not telling us what the leader

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Speaker 2: actually says. But as I understand it from talking around

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Speaker 2: the BEHA today, that what what the Mark Brown says

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Speaker 2: to Chris Luxons that look, we'd like I'd like to

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Speaker 2: get together with you for a one on one meeting.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's a bit like putting the horse

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Speaker 2: after the cart when you think about it, because surely

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Speaker 2: he should have done so before he signed mining deals,

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Speaker 2: in particular with the Chinese. It's funny, right, I think

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Speaker 2: back to the time that we saw the original agreement.

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Speaker 2: You and I talked about it on air and said

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Speaker 2: we'll hang on it doesn't see seems pretty. It is

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Speaker 2: more meets the eye, and there was much more to it,

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Speaker 2: and I think certainly Mark Brown has got some explain

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Speaker 2: to do. He faced a vote of no confidence in

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Speaker 2: his parliament today, but look the opposition of the twenty

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Speaker 2: four members of parliament. They've gotten the corks. The opposition

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Speaker 2: make up eight members, so really they were on hiding

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Speaker 2: to nothing to try and get rid of them.

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Speaker 1: All right, Barry, thank you for that. Great work is

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Speaker 1: always very so for senior political correspondent here at News

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