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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. Great to speak to you again and.

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Speaker 1: To you too. So I've got the numbers. One hundred

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Speaker 1: country illegally and applying for a song element in the

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Speaker 1: government also, I was hauling the system. So where are

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Speaker 1: we with that? Is anyone winning?

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Speaker 2: No, in a word, I mean people breaking into the

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Speaker 2: UK illegally. That's what the criticism is. Everyone is up

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Speaker 2: in arms over this. The people who are coming here

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Speaker 2: appear to be winning. And my reading of it, Mike

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Speaker 2: is this is getting very dangerous for Starmer. People have

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Speaker 2: on here and ultimately Stammer needs to sort this out.

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Speaker 2: So you've got one hundred and eleven thousand asylum applications

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Speaker 2: in the past twelve months, fifty thousand people have come

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Speaker 2: across here on Dinghy's since he became Prime Minister, and

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Speaker 2: Nigel Farage in the next few hours in the morning

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Speaker 2: here is going to lay bare his plans to sort

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Speaker 1: See this is where he's going to go. Well, because

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Speaker 1: Trump's sit the gender on that particular thing. But what

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Speaker 1: he wants to send them up to Afghanistan, Iraitrea, etc.

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Speaker 1: But the courts got involved the last time that idea

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Speaker 2: So Foraj's argument is that whatever happens to someone who

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Speaker 2: the UK's business. Yes, there are some poor, terrible countries

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Speaker 2: To get around the legalities of it all, what he

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Speaker 2: stopping the boats and people coming over illegally. It's a mess.

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Speaker 2: It's a complete mess. I've been away for ten days.

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Speaker 2: I've been in Ireland and I've just driven back from Wexford,

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Speaker 2: where I'm from in Ireland, through Wales. Soon as we

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Speaker 1: Now that would be the very artical origius. Today on

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Speaker 1: the BBC national flags have started lining our streets. They

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Speaker 1: and so there's something more being that we're a bit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, precisely. So we're seeing protests outside these asylum seeker hotels.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen million dollars a day of taxpayers cash is being

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Speaker 2: And the narrative being peddled is that these people are

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Speaker 1: So on one hand he's getting pulled by Farage. The

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Speaker 1: The point being Corbyn's got a lot of sign ups.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big time. So what we're seeing is a complete

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Speaker 2: They're four years out from the next election. They've got

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Speaker 1: There's some talk this morning. I mean this has been

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Speaker 2: Oh huge? So financially the UK is screwed. Let's just

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Speaker 2: They seem to have an awful lot of time on

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Speaker 2: their hands, Mike. Getting those people working and paying tax

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Speaker 1: It is always a pretty good to catch up. Let's

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Speaker 1: this morning, just very quickly before we leave that part

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Speaker 1: a PAPAA concert or a sports match. In other words,

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Speaker 1: they're changing the sentencing rules that would allow courts imposing

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Speaker 1: the moment, doesn't it?

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