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Speaker 1: Tom Sainsbury, you know the name. He's back, this time

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Speaker 1: with a bit of a twist. You'll know Tom's podcast,

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Speaker 1: Small Town Scandals, done very well, it's about we're about

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Speaker 1: to do a third season of it. But what's different

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Speaker 1: is that his very first season is about to be

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Speaker 1: turned from a podcast into an eight episode TV series

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Speaker 1: and Tom Sainsbury's with us Now Morning Tom.

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Speaker 2: Good Morning, Heather.

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Speaker 1: This feels like a really big moment for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and I've got to take a moment

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Speaker 2: to realize that. But when you're kind of working on

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Speaker 2: a TV show, like it's just such a long process,

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Speaker 2: Like I've lived with this because it's all made, it's

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Speaker 2: already we're kind of launching it. Well, it won't be

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Speaker 2: out till early next year in February, but we're launching

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Speaker 2: the kind of the trailers coming out tomorrow. But when

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Speaker 2: you kind of live with it to the minute of

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Speaker 2: watching every little bit of it, it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: a big moment.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've watched myself so many times and made so

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Speaker 2: many notes on my you know, on the edis and

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Speaker 2: stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like giving birth.

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Speaker 2: It's like giving a long labor. Not that I would

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Speaker 2: have any idea.

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Speaker 1: But I mean the reason like when I when I

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Speaker 1: heard that this was happening, I thought, wow, because for you,

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Speaker 1: you have been intimately involved in actually the creator, like

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Speaker 1: you are the star of all of your shows, right,

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Speaker 1: your podcasts are various things that it's not the first

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Speaker 1: time though, that something you've created is starring other people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the this is the biggest thing I've

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Speaker 2: ever done. And it had producers on board that were

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Speaker 2: kind of looking after everything. There was a wardrobe person

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Speaker 2: coming along and choosing all my clothes for me all that.

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Speaker 1: So you realized what it means to have money.

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Speaker 2: I realized eggs, you got it. Look. And the funny

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Speaker 2: thing is we told about me playing characters at the

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Speaker 2: very beginning, like because in the podcast, I play all

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Speaker 2: the characters and all the voices, and we talked about

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Speaker 2: but just as soon as you do the kind of math,

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Speaker 2: it's the logistics as two bonkers.

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Speaker 1: So the actors who have replicated your characters, have they

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Speaker 1: done a decent job that you're happy about.

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Speaker 2: They have done They've gone above and beyond, and it's

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Speaker 2: still got the tone of the podcast. But we have

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Speaker 2: got we've got amazing So we've got morgana O'Reilly who's

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Speaker 2: just done white notice. But also if you're a fan

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Speaker 2: of a show called The Good Life? Do you know

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Speaker 2: The Good Life? So it was huge in the seventies

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Speaker 2: and eighties in the UK. It was like a it

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Speaker 2: was a sitcom of that kind of organic, self sufficient

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Speaker 2: And that was the kind of bendro of it and

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Speaker 2: the interest in that. Felicity Kental place my mother, so

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Speaker 2: we went over to the UK to film four days

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Speaker 2: to sell it as New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: So you try to sell the UK as news here.

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Speaker 1: Well that that would have worked. I mean, here's a

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Speaker 1: AI it'll be fine. But so this is there was

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Speaker 2: so it's part of the deal you've got to get

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Speaker 1: How do you sell a very very New Zealand show

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Speaker 2: There is this kind of I think Broken Wood Mysteries

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Speaker 1: Really, is it that bad?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not too bad.

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Speaker 1: Seriously though. I mean here you are. You've made your

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Speaker 1: Let's not pretend that this is your first you know, rodeo,

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Speaker 1: but you are really getting deep into something that that

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Speaker 1: I look at it and I think, well, that's brave.

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Speaker 1: And you know, in this age of Tally, do you

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Speaker 2: Do you mean brave? As in like weird television is

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Speaker 1: And less Tally, We fund less and less Tally.

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Speaker 2: In New Zealand absolutely worried for you, Tom. It's so

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Speaker 2: tricky and it's it's also kind of like you just

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Speaker 1: Because when if you do it, if you do it well,

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Speaker 2: It's gamble, yeah, yes, it's a gamble, Yes, I'm yes,

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Speaker 1: Tom Now, why aren't you doing the parody videos, the

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Speaker 2: Good question. It's there's two reasons. One of them was

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Speaker 1: They're thought for a hot little minute that the reason

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Speaker 2: There is that too, It is there, It is, that

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Speaker 2: none of it, Like it's just monstrous either way, it's

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Speaker 1: But also no disrespect to Chris Luxon. Again, not that interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have a right like we have this

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Speaker 1: And so what we don't want we're away like we

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Speaker 2: I think just demonstratively like any showing any kind of emotions.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think we do. We keep it hidden. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Like at that chat. I've been in those kinds of

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Speaker 2: On occasion, I have a wine with me on stage,

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Speaker 2: and that helps me. Sometimes I'm a real cheap day,

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Speaker 2: with that. But sometimes if you ride it right with

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Speaker 1: You are such an unlikely person to be on stage.

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Speaker 2: It's shy, it's quiet, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Sorry here, that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 1: I just like looking at you.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, okay, so here I was being all

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Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I think what just looking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which roll out on social media. Tom, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much and congratulations on getting the TV deal, especially

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Speaker 1: at this current time. What an amazing thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Hill done you, Tom Sainsbury, Key We Comedian

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Speaker 1: and when is it out? February February Out in February.

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