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Speaker 3: It is six half for five. Great to have your

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Speaker 3: company coming up at four to six. The coward punch penalty.

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Speaker 3: ask that question. Centrix data out this morning. Insolvencies up

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Speaker 3: this because of the economy or is it enforcement by

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Speaker 3: the IID Donald Tomato in Australia. For US pennywong Off

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Speaker 3: to Washington and West New Zealand is open for business today.

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Speaker 3: Is it worth the forty five million dollar price tag

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Speaker 1: The agenda.

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Speaker 3: Tuesday, first of July. Europe in heat wave. This morning,

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Speaker 3: two hundred schools closed Spain. Hottest June day on record

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Speaker 4: It is quite a lot to see this happening so

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Speaker 4: early in the summer season.

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Speaker 5: So the heat way season.

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Speaker 4: Across Europe starts at the beginning of June and it

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Speaker 1: The risk of drought.

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Speaker 3: Travel on the shoulder seats and everybody. That's the advice

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Speaker 3: now Around's Depity Foreign Minister. This is on the question

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Speaker 3: they must, the UIs must have all let any further strikes.

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Speaker 1: First, we have not agreed to any date.

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Speaker 6: You have not agreed to the modality. Right now we

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Speaker 3: In the US, the Senate's now voting on the Big

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Speaker 7: Finally, this bill steals people's health care, jacks up their electricity,

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Speaker 7: bill takes away their jobs, all to pay for tax

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Speaker 8: And so yes, there are some improvements and reforms to

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Speaker 9: Doesn't go to people who shouldn't benefit from medicaid.

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Speaker 3: And to New York City the Diddy trial. As we speak,

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Speaker 10: gave lengthy instructions to the eight men and four women

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Speaker 2: The news you need this morning and the in depth

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Speaker 2: analysis earlier this ship with Ryan Bridge and expul in

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Speaker 3: Nine after five. Great to have your company this morning.

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Speaker 3: So stocks only thing going up really, it seems around

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Speaker 3: so you know how Carne obviously wants a deal over

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Speaker 3: Po thirteen on news talks, there'd be nobody puts Winston

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Speaker 3: So this is obviously going to be an expensive exercise.

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Speaker 3: I think forty five million dollars over the next few years.

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Speaker 11: Look, we definitely had to do something, Ryan. We are

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Speaker 3: Right And do you what sort of people do you

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Speaker 11: We actually need investment. So well connected people. Not a

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Speaker 11: Look, I think there'll be a lot to invest in

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Speaker 11: and you know, business is Zealand we're advocating thirty years.

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Speaker 11: You know, have a thirty year horizon. What will we need?

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Speaker 11: What could we be great at and let's have a

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Speaker 3: Catherine, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Catherine Beard, Business en Advocacy Directed. That time is sixteen

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Speaker 3: after five year on News Talks theb construction industry. No

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Speaker 3: So from today there's a new twenty four to seven

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Oh, good morning Ryan.

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Speaker 14: Good to speak with you.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you on. Now, are these insolvencies because

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Speaker 3: Reporters around the country and we'll go to Cullum and Dunedin.

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Speaker 3: Cullum Dunedin Council adopting this annual plan. This includes the

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Speaker 15: The plan approved yesterday includes a ten point seven percent

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Speaker 3: Nice one callum, thank you and Courtney in christ jets

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. That is always good news, Courtney.

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Speaker 13: It makes sense as you were the next uh fine

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Speaker 13: light winds thirteen brilliant, Thank you, Hey Neva.

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Speaker 17: Greetings?

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Speaker 3: Good things. Now you've got a financial update on our system, watercre.

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Speaker 17: That's right now water Care has completed. This is the

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Speaker 3: Just on that right, Hey, how's out with it today?

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Speaker 17: Ah? Cloudy, we've got isolated showers. They'll be clearing though.

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Speaker 17: Fifteen is the high here in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant. Thank you, Neva. We'll see you later on. That

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Speaker 11: Next.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things talk to her about, including Penny

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Speaker 3: the Mushroom Lady murder trial.

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Speaker 18: Yes, so after more than nine weeks of legal proceedings,

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Speaker 18: the jury is deliberating on its verdict. The jury has

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Speaker 18: been sequestered so they can't actually go home. And as

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Speaker 18: Aaron Pattison is accused of murdering three relatives and attempting

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Speaker 18: in Lencoln Gathera, which is southeastern Melbourne. That was way

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Speaker 18: back in twenty twenty three. She has pleaded not guilty

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Speaker 18: to all charges. Her lawyers argue the incident was a

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Speaker 18: tragic accident. Now, there were fifteen potential jurors that were

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Speaker 18: in case one fell sick or was discharged. Now I

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Speaker 18: don't know if you know this, but in May a

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Speaker 18: jura was actually removed. The judge in the court that

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Speaker 18: and so the other two reserved duras are now also gone,

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Speaker 18: or acquitted. Now, there were more than fifty prosecution witnesses

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Speaker 18: in the trial, and of course we'll never know what

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Speaker 18: happens in that deliberation room, but we will know at

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Speaker 18: some point what they think, and obviously it has to

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Speaker 18: be a unanimous verdict, so we'll have to wait and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most people kind of have a pretty

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Speaker 3: clear view on what they think happened there, but we'll

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Speaker 3: just have to wait and see. Hey, Penny Wong heading

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Speaker 3: off to the US for talks with Washington, but not

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Speaker 3: everyone sort are happy that she's the one going.

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Speaker 18: Well, we know that Anthony Albaneze is still waiting face

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Speaker 18: to face with Donald Trump. But in the meantime, Foreign

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Speaker 18: Minister Pennywong is off to Washington. She's going to meet

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Speaker 18: with the Quad Foreign Ministers there. Now it's the second

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Speaker 18: about strengthening corporation to ensure a peaceful, stable and prosperous

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Speaker 18: Indo Pacific. She's going to meet with the US Secretary

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Speaker 18: of State Mark Rubio, and she says it's just about

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Speaker 18: working to further Australia's economic and security partnerships and advance

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Speaker 18: our mutual interests, et cetera, et cetera. But we know

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Speaker 18: that defense spending is high on their gender. You might

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Speaker 18: recall that the US is still pushing for Australia to

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Speaker 18: increase defense spending lifted to three point five percent of

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Speaker 18: our GDP, and also obviously waiting to hear what's going

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Speaker 18: to happen with these tariffs, these Trump tariffs that we're introduced.

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Speaker 18: So she will be meeting with Japan, You're meeting with

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Speaker 18: wont But as I said, elbows still yet to meet

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Speaker 18: with the administration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been to a hot minute two. Hasn't it

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Speaker 3: appreciated that Donna Donald, our Australia correspondent, thirteen minutes away

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Speaker 3: from six Brian Bridge, by the way, I see over

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Speaker 3: at the White House Press briefing room, that Caroline Leavitt

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Speaker 3: has been taken a new tactic holding up all the

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Speaker 3: central Bank interest rates, a big list of them to

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Speaker 3: the press saying look where we are. You know this

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Speaker 3: is part of their campaign to try and scare or

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Speaker 3: prompt jer own Power to start dropping rates, even though

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Speaker 3: he has clearly no intention of doing so. Thirteen minutes

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Speaker 3: away from six o'clock now the government here on a

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Speaker 3: bit of a roll with law and order announcements. Coward

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Speaker 3: punches will now be made a specific offense punishment eight

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Speaker 3: years or fifteen years if you and ten grievous bodily harm.

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Speaker 3: If a victim dies following an attack, the maximum penalty

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Speaker 3: is life, and new offenses will be added to the

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Speaker 3: three strikes legislation the regime. Julianne Kincaid is a case cy,

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Speaker 3: vice president of the Law Association. With me this morning, Jillian,

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning Ryan, Thanks for being with me.

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Speaker 3: Do you think these changes will make a difference.

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Speaker 5: I think that they are cosmetic. I understand there has

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Speaker 5: been a lot of discussion looking for a form in

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Speaker 5: this area, but in effect, what these changes will do

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Speaker 5: is add one year to the maximum penalty of offenses

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Speaker 5: which already exist. So I don't think that in reality

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Speaker 5: they will have huge impact. On any particular case.

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Speaker 3: Is that because judges will use the discretion.

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Speaker 5: Look, sentencing in any case is always very complex, and

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Speaker 5: when we look at assault charges in particular, we look

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Speaker 5: first of all at the harm that was caused, the

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Speaker 5: grievous fully harmor was at an injury, and then we

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Speaker 5: look at the intent behind it, which helps us to

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Speaker 5: choose which one of the myriad of assault charges there are.

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Speaker 5: There's at least over thirteen already in the Crimes Act.

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Speaker 5: This is adding another two. The fact that they're also

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Speaker 5: putting these onto the three strikes legislation isn't the difference

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Speaker 5: because of the offenses that already exist are strike offenses well.

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Speaker 5: And also the fact that the maximum penalty in a

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Speaker 5: culpable homicide in a case of this nature is one

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Speaker 5: of life imprisonment is not a change and that's already

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Speaker 5: the case, right, So I think it's quite cosmetic.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Do those who perperpetrate these types of attacks think

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Speaker 3: about the sentence when they're doing it? Typically?

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Speaker 5: Well, no, of course, not often that type of offense

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Speaker 5: who cars at night when people are perhaps have had

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Speaker 5: a few drinks and so on. I don't think it

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Speaker 5: would stop anyone in that particular situation, it doors allow

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Speaker 5: for advertising. However, as it's happened in Australia, and this

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Speaker 5: is a law that does exist in some states in Australia's,

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Speaker 5: there's no comparable legislation in England. I would like to

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Speaker 5: add one thing round that an attack to the head

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Speaker 5: is already an aggravating feature for assault cases, whether it's

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Speaker 5: one punch or several, it's already a factor which is

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Speaker 5: very much taken into accountant sentence.

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Speaker 3: This is different than isn't it. This is a punch

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Speaker 3: you had no warning about, you didn't see coming. You

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Speaker 3: can't brace yourself, you can't defend yourself.

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Speaker 5: Yes, look, thankfully these cases do exist. Of course they do.

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Speaker 5: And there was one widely publicized case where people were

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Speaker 5: concerned with the sentence saying, which led to a lot

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Speaker 5: of discussion on this, and I'm lawyers are always very

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Speaker 5: cautious about any legislation that arises out of one particular case.

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Speaker 5: There are as a long line of authorities for situations

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Speaker 5: where this type of one punch has occurred, and judges

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Speaker 5: have been sentencing in this category for a very long time.

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Speaker 5: Most of the time it doesn't cause anyone any concern

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Speaker 5: at all. Appreciate now and again there can be some

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Speaker 5: cases which do we shouldn't legislates on the basis of

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Speaker 5: those one or two situations.

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Speaker 3: But why not, Because that's one or two families who

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Speaker 3: don't feel they've had justice. Some guy who's come up

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Speaker 3: behind their son, their brother, their husband while they's out

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Speaker 3: having a good time, puts them from the back of

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Speaker 3: the head. I mean, who key is what's wrong with

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Speaker 3: legislating for one or two.

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Speaker 5: Cases, because it's very difficult to take all of the

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Speaker 5: factors in that one case and then apply them out

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Speaker 5: right across the board for everyone. There's so many different

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Speaker 5: factors that apply in all sorts of cases, including assault cases,

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Speaker 5: and in my respectful opinion, they're already very much covered

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Speaker 5: in all of the legislations. Often families are very unhappy

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Speaker 5: with outcoming cases, but it doesn't mean that the legislation

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Speaker 5: that sits behind them is in fact wrong or not

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Speaker 5: working properly. Julie, that's a different feature.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate. I appreciate your time this morning, Julian kink Casey,

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Speaker 3: Vice President of the Law Association, with an opinion I'm

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Speaker 3: sure many of you will be scratching your heads out potentially,

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Speaker 3: because in my mind, if the justice system isn't serving

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Speaker 3: the victim's family, is what's the point of a justice system?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's the it's there to punish, yes, but

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Speaker 3: it's also there to to help with the healing of

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Speaker 3: the victim, isn't it? Nine nine two, It's eight to

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Speaker 3: six News Talks MB.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge on early edition with ex bowl insulation keeping

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Speaker 2: chili hos warm and dry.

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Speaker 1: This Winter News Talks.

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Speaker 3: MB just gone six minutes away from six now. Lots

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Speaker 3: of texts on the coward punch law change. We just

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Speaker 3: spoke to a lawyer, a KC about this, Ryan, about

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Speaker 3: the coward's punch. Surely it would be better to up

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Speaker 3: the minimum sentence. The judge has too much discretion when

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Speaker 3: you give them a discount on a maximum sentence. It's

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Speaker 3: a very good point, Ryan. Why is a punch to

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Speaker 3: the back of my head worse than one straight in

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Speaker 3: my face by someone twice my size? Well, you can't

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Speaker 3: do anything about a punch that comes to the back

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Speaker 3: of your head, can you? If you don't know it's coming,

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Speaker 3: you can't move, you can't brace, you can't your powerless, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: should we should get Ai to replace lawyers and judges

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Speaker 3: one day the outcomes will be fast, simpler and clearer.

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Speaker 3: Five to six Bridge might with us. Hey, Mike morning,

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Speaker 3: good morning. What do you think of the coward punch?

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Speaker 9: I think it might work or it might not. They

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Speaker 9: called it a king hit in Australia. I don't know

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Speaker 9: why it's become a coward punch, but.

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Speaker 3: I think because they wanted to make it less cool.

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Speaker 3: You know, was right.

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Speaker 9: So you're on the street and you're about to deck

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Speaker 9: somebody and you're going, well, it was gonna but now

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Speaker 9: it's called and you used a coward punch, so I won't.

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Speaker 3: I can know. I can kind of understand though, like

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Speaker 3: if you're doing the headline and a paper, a coward

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Speaker 3: punch couches it and better hang on about to hit you.

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Speaker 9: But I'm just thinking, now, what's the headline.

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Speaker 3: In the paper? And not for the guy who keep digging, Ryan.

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Speaker 9: Keep digging, mate, Dear. It sounds like I think you

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Speaker 9: made a reasonable point before having said that, and your

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Speaker 9: point being that no one's thinking about this on the street,

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Speaker 9: are they, and so you're not thinking of the consequences.

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Speaker 9: But also I was watched the Prime Minister yesterday post cabinet,

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Speaker 9: and his point was, you know, people in the jail

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Speaker 9: are going to be people in the jail, and we

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Speaker 9: have more people in the jail, so be it.

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Speaker 3: That's just laughing.

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Speaker 9: We'll need to build more jails. And I think ultimately

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Speaker 9: they're probably on the right side of this, because if you.

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Speaker 3: Think about punishments around the world, people are a lot

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Speaker 3: harsher than us. You know, where they have but where

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Speaker 3: they have the death penalty, people still murder, of course,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 9: So if you're looking, if you're looking for the ultimate deterrent,

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Speaker 9: there is no greater deterrent than you.

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Speaker 3: We will kill you, but it doesn't stop you. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't stop you, you know.

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Speaker 9: So I think I think the reality will come to

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Speaker 9: the conclusion that there need to be a proportion of

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Speaker 9: people locked away, and when they're locked away, we're safer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that anyway.

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Speaker 9: David seymore on the privacy of the fit.

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Speaker 3: Do you kill?

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Speaker 9: The fairies are partly privatized, you know, and if they

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Speaker 9: improve the service, who.

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Speaker 3: Could do a worse child than what okay, civil I

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Speaker 3: would make for your next All the problems of the

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