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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from News Talks ed by Measure twice Call once

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Speaker 1: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty The Resident Builder with

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Speaker 1: Peter wolf Camp and Independent Building supplies the future of

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Speaker 1: Kiwi Building Today News Talks.

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Speaker 3: The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 3: grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when a dog.

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Speaker 4: Is too old to bar, and when're sitting at the

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Speaker 1: Sisor even when we bend, even.

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Speaker 4: When you're the house is a home, even.

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Speaker 3: When there's ghost, even when you got around from the

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Speaker 3: ones you love your most, scream does broken paints peel

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Speaker 3: in front of the world, locals whisper when they're gone,

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Speaker 3: and leaving the neighbor.

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Speaker 4: House even when wilber Ben, even when you're in there.

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Speaker 5: Looney, very very good morning, and welcome along to the

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Speaker 5: Resident Builder.

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Speaker 6: On Sunday us me pit Off Camp the Resident Builder,

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Speaker 6: and this is your opportunity to talk about all things

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Speaker 6: building and construction. Can When I say all things, I

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Speaker 6: really do mean all things. I've had the pleasure of

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Speaker 6: being in de Need actually for a couple of days

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Speaker 6: this week, so I found there on Friday and yesterday Saturday,

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Speaker 6: chatting with people, and you know, people come up and

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Speaker 6: they go, you know, what do you do to prepare

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Speaker 6: for the show?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 6: I do a lot to prepare for the show. But

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Speaker 6: do I know what's going to happen on the show?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 9: I don't.

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Speaker 6: That is completely and utterly up to you. So if

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Speaker 6: you've got an issue that's maybe a practical one in

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Speaker 6: terms of something that should work a particular way and

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Speaker 6: doesn't anymore, or something that's making an odd noise, or

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Speaker 6: it doesn't open properly, or it squeaks when you stand

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Speaker 6: on it, these sorts of things we can talk about

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Speaker 6: that the practical stuff we can talk about innovation, I guess,

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Speaker 6: and that comes out of a couple of conversations I

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Speaker 6: where I was yesterday, and we did an opportunity where

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Speaker 6: basically you could essentially book a bit of time with me.

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Speaker 6: Didn't cost anything. You book a bit of time with

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Speaker 6: me and sit down and chat. And so some people

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Speaker 6: came along to talk about renovations, a couple of other

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Speaker 6: people talked about different things, and some people came along

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Speaker 6: with their brand new house plans going, look, we're about

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Speaker 6: to build this, but I'm a little bit unsure about

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Speaker 6: what this part of the build is or what this

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Speaker 6: part of the plan actually says. And then you know,

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Speaker 6: do you have some ideas? You know, And I'm not

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Speaker 6: a designer, but I've been around for long enough that

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Speaker 6: I've got some things that I guess I think are

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Speaker 6: really I know, are really important about how to put

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Speaker 6: a house together. And so it's interesting going through plans

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Speaker 6: going oh, look, hey this, did you realize that your designer,

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Speaker 6: and therefore you'll build it, will be doing these things,

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Speaker 6: and these are really good things. This is you know,

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Speaker 6: small details, attention to details that will make your house

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Speaker 6: a better performing house. It will help it stay warm,

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Speaker 6: it will help it ventilate, and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 6: And then we talked about things like orientation towards the sun,

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Speaker 6: making sure that the house doesn't overheat. Yes, that's you know,

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Speaker 6: one couple, all of their living faced north, massive big

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Speaker 6: fantastic view over the harbor. And then okay, well what

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Speaker 6: happens in summer? What are you doing to prevent overheating? Well,

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Speaker 6: the designer thankfully had added an awning that is designed

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Speaker 6: heating over the winter month. So but what was really

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Speaker 6: interesting with that is that often you know, there's there's

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Speaker 6: and some innovation, we can discuss that on the show

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Speaker 6: this morning as well. Basically, it's up to you. If

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Speaker 6: you've got a question, hopefully I've got an answer for you.

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Speaker 6: The lines are open. The number to call is eight

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Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can tell through. That's

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Speaker 6: nine two nine two was ZEDBZB from your mobile phone

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Speaker 6: and I've got the email up and running. That's Pete

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Speaker 6: at Newstalk SDB dot co dot nz. So Pete Pte

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Speaker 6: of rain here and all. Absolutely spectacular day in Derneed

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Speaker 6: had to look at some of the historic buildings. Absolutely delightful.

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Speaker 6: I've got an increasing soft spot for the Dean, particularly,

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Speaker 6: I guess on a really good day like it was

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Speaker 6: the last couple of days. So again, lovely to be

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Speaker 6: down there with the Home and Garden show, which was buzzing,

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Speaker 6: lots of people interested in all of the various items

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Speaker 6: was absolutely stunning. Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 6: The lines are open this morning on the show. As always,

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Speaker 6: it's your show basically, so if you've got a question,

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Speaker 6: we can talk about all things building and construction. Something

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Speaker 6: that I keep writing a note and then neglecting to do.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to mark the passing of pitt Cheshire. It

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Speaker 6: was a couple of weeks ago now that his passing,

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Speaker 6: his death was announced. I know his funeral was sometime

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Speaker 6: was last week or the week before, and we interviewed

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Speaker 6: So an absolutely stunning, delightful man and sorely missed, I

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Speaker 6: would think so. And funnily enough, last week I had

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Speaker 6: an opportunity to go and look at a house that's

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Speaker 6: under construction, which is one of his designs as well,

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Speaker 6: So that will be work that will endure after his

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Speaker 6: passing as well. So I just want to mention that

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Speaker 6: it is thirteen minutes after six. If you've got a

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Speaker 6: question of a building nature, call us right now. Oh

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 1: Begting what they forgot to mention on that YouTube video

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Speaker 1: The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies

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Speaker 1: the Future of Kiwi Building Today, Call oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty News Dog ZB.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, I've I've just tuned in, and well I've just

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Speaker 6: tuned in. I'm listening all the time. But the little

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Speaker 6: not sure who wrote that about fixing the bits that

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Speaker 6: they've got to tell you on the YouTube video look

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Speaker 6: like all of us. I guess you see things online

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Speaker 6: and how the algorithms work. Once you watch something, you

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Speaker 6: get more of the same thing, and every now and

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Speaker 6: then I end up with little video clips coming through

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Speaker 6: it is absolutely terrifying in the sense of, you know, people,

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Speaker 6: to be working on a building site and bare feet

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Speaker 6: and showing you how to jam the blade the guard

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Speaker 6: which is exactly well that can go wrong. And I

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Speaker 6: lost his leg because the guard on a circular sword

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Speaker 6: be blunt and to be really honest. So yeah, YouTube's great,

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, Wayne, Oh, yes, good morning, very well yourself?

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Speaker 9: Good?

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Speaker 10: Thanks, good. I've got a question about making the inside

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Speaker 10: of our house. It's bot in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 10: It's a brick house in so i'd indulate more air tights.

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Speaker 9: Who you would.

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Speaker 11: Recommend what sort of company you would recommend to to

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Speaker 11: do that?

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Speaker 9: Wow?

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Speaker 6: Okay, can we go back a step and go what

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Speaker 6: is it about ear tightness that attracts you.

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Speaker 11: We want to put in a heat sort of a

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Speaker 11: ventilation system basically, so we will toate that as efficient

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Speaker 11: as possible. Yes, when we put it in, So would

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Speaker 11: you recommend that you put the I guess the ventilation

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Speaker 11: repeat recovery system in first before you do your toolitness.

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Speaker 6: Just tell me a little bit about the house. So

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Speaker 6: it's a nineteen eighties house, No, no, no, and eight

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Speaker 6: two thousand and eight. Okay, sorry, so two thousand and

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Speaker 6: eight and it's brick exterior, yeah, brick, exteria aluminium joinery.

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Speaker 11: Yes, yes, double double glazed, double.

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Speaker 6: Glazed elementum jowinery, brick, completely, single story yes, yep. And

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Speaker 6: what about the sealing. Is it a trust roof? It's

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Speaker 6: a single story home with roof trusses, yes, yes, okay,

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Speaker 6: and inside that roof trust space. I'm guessing if you're

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Speaker 6: if you're looking up at your ceiling, you see plasterboard.

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Speaker 6: You'll have down lights, yes, yes, and they're conventional down lights.

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Speaker 6: Beyond the down lights will be ceiling perlins, the trusses,

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Speaker 6: some insulation over there, and then over the top of

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Speaker 6: the trusses will be some roofing underlay. And is it

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Speaker 6: concrete tile, roof, corrigo dime roof, concrete tile? Is there

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Speaker 6: building paper underneath the concrete tiles?

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Speaker 11: There's a very good question, I expect.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, And you know it's not a question. It's like,

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Speaker 6: unless it's a certain pitchure roof, it's not required and

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Speaker 6: so on. Look, if I'm really, really honest, I think

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Speaker 6: trying to make your house air tight as it is

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Speaker 6: right now is going to be an incredibly difficult and

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Speaker 6: nothing's impossible, but you would you would need to go

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Speaker 6: some way towards deconstructing your house and to make it

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Speaker 6: air tight, because and I'm basing that on having observed

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Speaker 6: a project last year where a house that was it

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Speaker 6: was an older it was actually a nineteen fifties house

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Speaker 6: of let's say, about one hundred and ten hundred and

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Speaker 6: twenty square meters with a small addition being added, and

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Speaker 6: the owners had committed themselves to high performance, and so

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Speaker 6: they wanted to make the house air tight. In order

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Speaker 6: to do that, they removed all of the joinery, They

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Speaker 6: removed the roof, they removed all of the exterior cladding,

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Speaker 6: They made extensive use of sort of plywood and sheathing

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Speaker 6: and tapes and so on. They pulled all the ceilings

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Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. So in order to make it

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Speaker 6: genuinely air tight, they pretty much deconstructed the house. And

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Speaker 6: for you to try and make your house air tight

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Speaker 6: in a meaningful way, you know, the biggest challenge, for example,

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Speaker 6: would be the ceiling, because effectively, what you've got is

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Speaker 6: like what most houses have. You've got plasterboard, You've got

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Speaker 12: building or served. But the code of compliance. We applied

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Speaker 12: for one respector coming just just sire in two tails

431
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Speaker 12: and we got a tightment owner that we are on

432
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Speaker 12: a high wind dispose area. We need to put scripers

433
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Speaker 12: I don't know what they are on the windows and

434
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Speaker 12: those aluminum windows and those and five are light no

435
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Speaker 12: hardest planks.

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Speaker 6: Yes, war.

437
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Speaker 12: Some couple more houses got built since the take a

438
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Speaker 12: valley road. They don't have such think yes Olivia for

439
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Speaker 12: thirty years, never look wat or anything like that. Do

440
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Speaker 12: we have what we have to do? I just need

441
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Speaker 12: some advice.

442
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Speaker 6: I think the most straightforward way for you is you're

443
00:26:23,335 --> 00:26:28,535
Speaker 6: probably going to need to employ a specialist in this area,

444
00:26:28,975 --> 00:26:33,055
Speaker 6: contract someone who will take over the correspondence and the

445
00:26:33,095 --> 00:26:38,975
Speaker 6: discussion with counsel. So, and you're right on the sort

446
00:26:38,975 --> 00:26:42,015
Speaker 6: of the cusp of that change right from when we

447
00:26:42,095 --> 00:26:45,975
Speaker 6: had building permits through to building consents. Building consents then

448
00:26:46,455 --> 00:26:49,615
Speaker 6: require a code of compliance certificate at the end. If

449
00:26:49,975 --> 00:26:53,055
Speaker 6: if it wasn't applied for back, then council will come

450
00:26:53,095 --> 00:26:55,935
Speaker 6: out as they've done now, they'll assess the house. They'll

451
00:26:55,975 --> 00:26:59,215
Speaker 6: they'll determine that any number of things are incorrect about

452
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Speaker 6: the house, and then they'll ask you to do some remediation,

453
00:27:02,775 --> 00:27:05,335
Speaker 6: but some of that can be pushed back it and

454
00:27:05,815 --> 00:27:10,895
Speaker 6: discuss and other solutions arrived at if you've got the

455
00:27:10,975 --> 00:27:16,175
Speaker 6: right consultant working for you. Typically what you're looking for

456
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Speaker 6: in this instance is someone who is a registered building

457
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Speaker 6: survey so they might be a member of the New

458
00:27:22,935 --> 00:27:28,135
Speaker 6: Zealand Institute of Building Surveys or another similar professional body,

459
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Speaker 6: but that's the one that I'm familiar with, who could come.

460
00:27:31,535 --> 00:27:35,255
Speaker 6: They'll assess the correspondence, they'll have a meeting with council.

461
00:27:36,295 --> 00:27:39,775
Speaker 6: You probably will have to do some work, but ideally

462
00:27:39,855 --> 00:27:42,215
Speaker 6: you'd want to keep that to a minimum in order

463
00:27:42,375 --> 00:27:46,775
Speaker 6: to then get that code of compliance. Or is the

464
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Speaker 6: reason that you've engaged with council again after so many

465
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Speaker 6: years because you're about to sell the property?

466
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Speaker 12: Yes, we have to sell. The inspection coming again on

467
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Speaker 12: a fifth of.

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Speaker 6: March, right, and the inspector is from the council, your

469
00:28:03,175 --> 00:28:08,295
Speaker 6: local council. Yeah, okay, I mean the the other thing

470
00:28:08,415 --> 00:28:10,095
Speaker 6: is that you might look at all of the work

471
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Speaker 6: that's required and just go, you know, I don't have

472
00:28:13,335 --> 00:28:15,975
Speaker 6: the time or the energy or the resources to do it,

473
00:28:16,055 --> 00:28:19,735
Speaker 6: in which case, you know, you can put the house

474
00:28:19,775 --> 00:28:22,935
Speaker 6: on the market. Without it, people tend to be a

475
00:28:22,935 --> 00:28:26,095
Speaker 6: bit cautious around it, and obviously it then becomes their

476
00:28:26,175 --> 00:28:30,975
Speaker 6: problem or challenge to get it resolved. But you can

477
00:28:31,055 --> 00:28:33,335
Speaker 6: sell a house without one. You just have to declare

478
00:28:33,335 --> 00:28:35,135
Speaker 6: the fact that you don't have one. People make their

479
00:28:35,175 --> 00:28:39,095
Speaker 6: own decisions and take the risk, and then you just

480
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Speaker 6: carry on selling the house.

481
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Speaker 12: For a saty is where the sure blowing? Like help?

482
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and no problem with the house.

483
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Speaker 12: You never in any rooms or any part of the house.

484
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Speaker 6: Yeah. And you know that sort of information is actually

485
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Speaker 6: useful because it's like part of the compliance of a

486
00:29:01,255 --> 00:29:05,135
Speaker 6: building after it's been built is around how does it perform? Right,

487
00:29:05,215 --> 00:29:08,135
Speaker 6: So if you've got a house and that even though

488
00:29:08,495 --> 00:29:12,295
Speaker 6: technically it doesn't comply, the reality is it hasn't leaked,

489
00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:16,815
Speaker 6: it hasn't decayed. You know, there is no risk in

490
00:29:16,895 --> 00:29:20,815
Speaker 6: terms of little risk in terms of weather tightness. Council

491
00:29:20,855 --> 00:29:24,455
Speaker 6: should also listen to that as well. So you know,

492
00:29:24,495 --> 00:29:27,615
Speaker 6: they like the thing with the scribers. So I'm guessing

493
00:29:27,615 --> 00:29:30,375
Speaker 6: that you've got some type of weather board, you've got

494
00:29:30,415 --> 00:29:34,655
Speaker 6: aluminium joinery, someone has filled the gap with seilent and

495
00:29:35,015 --> 00:29:37,775
Speaker 6: and that's sufficient. Now, that wouldn't be sufficient under today's

496
00:29:37,775 --> 00:29:40,655
Speaker 6: building code. But the reality is what they did worked.

497
00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:43,895
Speaker 6: But then again, adding subscribers to that is you know,

498
00:29:43,895 --> 00:29:45,695
Speaker 6: it might be two days work for a carpenter to

499
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Speaker 6: go around and make scribers for every single window in

500
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Speaker 6: the house.

501
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Speaker 12: I had the builder he had to have a look,

502
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Speaker 12: but he never He did some look around, but he

503
00:29:56,215 --> 00:29:56,975
Speaker 12: never come to.

504
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think sometimes oh yeah, sometimes builders just look at

506
00:30:05,175 --> 00:30:08,455
Speaker 6: work like that and go ah. I mean I'm surprised

507
00:30:08,455 --> 00:30:11,255
Speaker 6: because it's not like everyone's super busy at the moment, right,

508
00:30:11,535 --> 00:30:13,295
Speaker 6: So now would be the time to find someone to

509
00:30:13,295 --> 00:30:17,775
Speaker 6: come and deal with all of this. Do you have

510
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Speaker 6: someone that you think you could contact or through friends,

511
00:30:20,575 --> 00:30:23,335
Speaker 6: would you be able to find a building surveyor to

512
00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:31,135
Speaker 6: help you negotiate your way through council? Oh he's dropped off, ah, Nathan.

513
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Speaker 6: What I was going to say is if you go

514
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Speaker 6: to the New Zealand Institute of Building Survey's website search

515
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Speaker 6: for someone in your area, then you should be able

516
00:30:46,095 --> 00:30:48,815
Speaker 6: to find someone who kind of specializes in code of

517
00:30:48,815 --> 00:30:53,055
Speaker 6: compliance work and then there'll be a number of There'll

518
00:30:53,095 --> 00:30:54,735
Speaker 6: just be a number of people in your area that

519
00:30:54,775 --> 00:30:57,335
Speaker 6: will do that type of work. You can engage with

520
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Speaker 6: them and see if it's possible to get someone to

521
00:31:01,055 --> 00:31:04,055
Speaker 6: start advocating on your behalf, because I think in the

522
00:31:04,135 --> 00:31:07,615
Speaker 6: end it often requires that sort of specialist knowledge in

523
00:31:07,695 --> 00:31:10,855
Speaker 6: order to be able to deal with counsel. Good luck

524
00:31:10,895 --> 00:31:12,975
Speaker 6: with that, Nathan. If you've got a question, oh wait,

525
00:31:12,975 --> 00:31:16,015
Speaker 6: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

526
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Speaker 6: Getting quite a few texts on the whole, this is awesome.

527
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Speaker 6: I live in Timaru. I leave the windows open all

528
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Speaker 6: year around. I have a cold shower five times a week.

529
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Speaker 6: I only sha have a warm shower twice a week,

530
00:31:34,255 --> 00:31:36,815
Speaker 6: ice bath once a week, swim bike run five times

531
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Speaker 6: a week, and have not And I'll get to the

532
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Speaker 6: rest of the text message. And have not had any

533
00:31:43,015 --> 00:31:45,215
Speaker 6: illness or colds in thirty years. But the moment I

534
00:31:45,255 --> 00:31:47,215
Speaker 6: walk into a house with heat pumps and no ventilation,

535
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Speaker 6: I feel off. I also own a business that works

536
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Speaker 6: and weather tightness. Would you believe it? Cheers from Pete, Pete,

537
00:31:52,055 --> 00:31:56,415
Speaker 6: thank you very much for your text. Hey, look, you

538
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Speaker 6: know I know a bunch of people that go, oh,

539
00:31:59,295 --> 00:32:00,935
Speaker 6: you know, I just want to open the doors and windows,

540
00:32:00,935 --> 00:32:02,735
Speaker 6: and I kick the doors and windows all year round

541
00:32:02,775 --> 00:32:06,055
Speaker 6: and so on. I get all of that, but it's

542
00:32:06,095 --> 00:32:08,455
Speaker 6: all so really hard to argue with the science in

543
00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:11,135
Speaker 6: terms of saying, you know, in the event that you

544
00:32:11,175 --> 00:32:15,055
Speaker 6: want to be able to control your interior environment and

545
00:32:15,095 --> 00:32:17,055
Speaker 6: you want to be able to if you are going

546
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Speaker 6: to heat the interior of your house and make efficient

547
00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:22,935
Speaker 6: use of the heat that you're creating and the power

548
00:32:22,935 --> 00:32:27,335
Speaker 6: that you're using to do that, then having a house

549
00:32:27,375 --> 00:32:31,215
Speaker 6: that's closer to air tight and that could be a

550
00:32:31,655 --> 00:32:34,055
Speaker 6: you know, there's a spectrum there right in terms of

551
00:32:35,535 --> 00:32:38,295
Speaker 6: place like mine right, which is an old villa and

552
00:32:38,775 --> 00:32:41,255
Speaker 6: it's got no building paper around the outside, and it's

553
00:32:41,255 --> 00:32:43,095
Speaker 6: got gaps all the way around the windows and all

554
00:32:43,135 --> 00:32:45,975
Speaker 6: the rest of it. It is mine air tight. I'd

555
00:32:45,975 --> 00:32:48,575
Speaker 6: be almost too embarrassed to try and do a blower

556
00:32:48,615 --> 00:32:51,615
Speaker 6: door test, which is an objective test of how much

557
00:32:51,935 --> 00:32:53,655
Speaker 6: air leaks out of your house, and the way that

558
00:32:53,695 --> 00:32:56,935
Speaker 6: they measure it is you calculate the volume of air

559
00:32:56,975 --> 00:33:01,015
Speaker 6: inside a house and then you can then based on

560
00:33:01,135 --> 00:33:04,575
Speaker 6: the amount of gaps, you can say this volume of air,

561
00:33:04,935 --> 00:33:07,655
Speaker 6: so it's one hundred and fifty six square meter footprint

562
00:33:07,655 --> 00:33:09,495
Speaker 6: and it's a three point three stud So you do

563
00:33:09,535 --> 00:33:11,455
Speaker 6: the maths on that, you create a number and then

564
00:33:11,495 --> 00:33:13,695
Speaker 6: you go, how many times will that volume of air

565
00:33:14,495 --> 00:33:17,615
Speaker 6: move through the walls and windows and gaps and cracks

566
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Speaker 6: per hour? And I have a rough estimate that I'm

567
00:33:23,175 --> 00:33:28,095
Speaker 6: probably at about ten air exchanges per hour, which is

568
00:33:28,135 --> 00:33:29,935
Speaker 6: a long way from air tight. And I went to

569
00:33:29,935 --> 00:33:32,095
Speaker 6: a house the other day they were at ero point

570
00:33:32,135 --> 00:33:38,575
Speaker 6: five six air exchanges. That'll be an awesome place to

571
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Speaker 6: live in, Rightio, I need to take a break. We'll

572
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Speaker 6: be back with Will in just a moment.

573
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Speaker 6: B News Talks B. It is coming up ten minutes

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Speaker 6: away from seven. Will. Good morning to you, Good morning,

579
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Speaker 6: great love the show, Thank you, nice to talk with you.

580
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Speaker 13: I've got a I've got a new build. I'm looking

581
00:34:11,935 --> 00:34:15,655
Speaker 13: to a bit of a ground decking or low level

582
00:34:15,775 --> 00:34:17,135
Speaker 13: taking all around the house.

583
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Speaker 9: Almost like a little pathway.

584
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Speaker 6: Yes.

585
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Speaker 13: Now, I've done this twice before and it was always

586
00:34:22,135 --> 00:34:24,695
Speaker 13: a soft sort source. So you did the typical piles

587
00:34:24,695 --> 00:34:28,655
Speaker 13: and concrete and bears and posts and stuff. Oh, this

588
00:34:28,775 --> 00:34:32,655
Speaker 13: house is on very hard play soil, which is going

589
00:34:32,695 --> 00:34:37,375
Speaker 13: to make the veggie patch quite into it. I was thinking,

590
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Speaker 13: I see there's a lot of options now where you

591
00:34:41,015 --> 00:34:42,895
Speaker 13: you don't do a full pile, but you do a

592
00:34:42,935 --> 00:34:46,575
Speaker 13: little bit of block or concrete and then they use

593
00:34:46,695 --> 00:34:51,735
Speaker 13: this I don't know, galvanized metal bracket that kind of

594
00:34:51,895 --> 00:34:55,815
Speaker 13: either pens into the concrete and then holds your bearers. Yes,

595
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Speaker 13: And I was just kind of engaging your thoughts on

596
00:34:59,535 --> 00:35:01,935
Speaker 13: and I know decking is kind of all over the place,

597
00:35:01,975 --> 00:35:04,855
Speaker 13: but it's it is low ground level thing, and I'm like,

598
00:35:05,135 --> 00:35:08,535
Speaker 13: if it's a hard play, well maybe that's a good option.

599
00:35:09,255 --> 00:35:09,535
Speaker 7: Yep.

600
00:35:10,015 --> 00:35:14,615
Speaker 6: So roughly, let's say, from this hard clay surrounding the

601
00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:18,375
Speaker 6: house to your finished floor level inside, have you got

602
00:35:18,415 --> 00:35:21,535
Speaker 6: sort of two hundred millimeters to play with? Three hundred milimeters?

603
00:35:21,535 --> 00:35:23,375
Speaker 6: Four hundred milimeters, what's the.

604
00:35:24,295 --> 00:35:26,935
Speaker 9: I'm sitting between four point fifty and five point fifty.

605
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Speaker 6: Okay, so there's a bit of space in there that

606
00:35:29,655 --> 00:35:32,735
Speaker 6: if you like, you need to elevate the decking a

607
00:35:32,735 --> 00:35:34,495
Speaker 6: little bit, like you know, every now and then you

608
00:35:34,575 --> 00:35:37,695
Speaker 6: end up with decks that basically your your pile is

609
00:35:38,095 --> 00:35:40,695
Speaker 6: you know, maybe fifty millimeters above ground level, and then

610
00:35:40,975 --> 00:35:43,495
Speaker 6: you're laying your joist straight onto that because you don't

611
00:35:43,535 --> 00:35:45,935
Speaker 6: have the room to build. So you've got a little

612
00:35:45,935 --> 00:35:48,175
Speaker 6: bit of room there, you need to elevate it a

613
00:35:48,215 --> 00:35:52,175
Speaker 6: little bit from the ground.

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Speaker 13: See these plastic round things that they put on the pad.

615
00:35:55,535 --> 00:35:56,415
Speaker 6: Yeah, new jack.

616
00:35:56,375 --> 00:35:59,615
Speaker 13: Galvanized bracker thing and yeah, and there's this another thing

617
00:35:59,655 --> 00:36:03,015
Speaker 13: you can level up to your sort of it's ward yes,

618
00:36:03,215 --> 00:36:06,295
Speaker 13: level all across. And I just didn't have these options

619
00:36:06,375 --> 00:36:09,455
Speaker 13: a few years ago. I was just the thing is

620
00:36:09,855 --> 00:36:15,175
Speaker 13: that play is hard.

621
00:36:15,695 --> 00:36:23,495
Speaker 6: The other option is to use screw piles, so you know,

622
00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:27,295
Speaker 6: depending well, it doesn't really depend on how big or small,

623
00:36:27,335 --> 00:36:31,175
Speaker 6: but you could get someone like there's a company that

624
00:36:31,215 --> 00:36:35,335
Speaker 6: I've seen around called Stop Digging, and they've got a

625
00:36:35,455 --> 00:36:38,175
Speaker 6: range of screw piles. So in this instance it won't

626
00:36:38,215 --> 00:36:41,695
Speaker 6: need to be particularly deep or particularly large diameter pile.

627
00:36:42,255 --> 00:36:45,615
Speaker 6: But literally, if you if you worked out your plan

628
00:36:45,735 --> 00:36:47,855
Speaker 6: in terms of where your bearers are and where your

629
00:36:47,895 --> 00:36:51,455
Speaker 6: choice might be, and then they would literally come along

630
00:36:51,615 --> 00:36:56,775
Speaker 6: and insert these galvanized steel screw piles in, top them

631
00:36:56,815 --> 00:36:59,015
Speaker 6: off at at exactly the right level that you want,

632
00:36:59,055 --> 00:37:01,375
Speaker 6: and then you just lay your bearers on top or

633
00:37:01,415 --> 00:37:04,295
Speaker 6: you do a double joist and then intersect, you know,

634
00:37:04,375 --> 00:37:07,295
Speaker 6: depending on how you need to construct the deck. That's

635
00:37:07,335 --> 00:37:12,575
Speaker 6: another option, and from my experience of having seen it done,

636
00:37:12,655 --> 00:37:14,975
Speaker 6: you know, they'd come in, they'd drill all the piles

637
00:37:15,095 --> 00:37:17,535
Speaker 6: and you could be building your deck by that afternoon

638
00:37:17,615 --> 00:37:21,095
Speaker 6: kind of thing. The other option is, obviously, if you've

639
00:37:21,135 --> 00:37:25,935
Speaker 6: got recently well compacted clay, you could just do a

640
00:37:26,055 --> 00:37:29,775
Speaker 6: small almost like a paving slab on there and then

641
00:37:30,055 --> 00:37:33,135
Speaker 6: one of those plastic either a neur a jack or

642
00:37:33,175 --> 00:37:36,135
Speaker 6: boos on jack or something like that, which is adjustable.

643
00:37:36,575 --> 00:37:39,855
Speaker 6: Means you don't have to fart around cutting off piles

644
00:37:39,855 --> 00:37:43,255
Speaker 6: and all the rest of it. So those work really well.

645
00:37:44,615 --> 00:37:46,935
Speaker 6: Or I guess you just go, actually, you know what,

646
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Speaker 6: I'm just going to go and get a postole borer

647
00:37:49,295 --> 00:37:51,415
Speaker 6: and I'll drill them my way in, put in a

648
00:37:51,415 --> 00:37:54,575
Speaker 6: little pile on each one. So there's kind of three

649
00:37:54,775 --> 00:37:55,935
Speaker 6: broad options for you.

650
00:37:57,535 --> 00:38:00,095
Speaker 13: So the new options is workable options. There's not new

651
00:38:00,135 --> 00:38:02,135
Speaker 13: finicky stuff and stuff. You can actually a line that

652
00:38:02,135 --> 00:38:03,055
Speaker 13: they're going to be there for.

653
00:38:02,975 --> 00:38:03,855
Speaker 9: Ten years or something.

654
00:38:03,975 --> 00:38:04,215
Speaker 13: Yeah.

655
00:38:04,295 --> 00:38:07,415
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the like the boos on jacks, I haven't

656
00:38:07,935 --> 00:38:10,815
Speaker 6: I haven't used them for conventional decking. What I have

657
00:38:10,975 --> 00:38:17,015
Speaker 6: used them for is, let's say over a deck outside

658
00:38:18,335 --> 00:38:21,615
Speaker 6: an existing dwelling where the deck is waterproofed, and then

659
00:38:22,095 --> 00:38:25,215
Speaker 6: we've used the jacks to create a level platform and

660
00:38:25,255 --> 00:38:30,215
Speaker 6: then laid basically pavers down or thick tiles like a

661
00:38:30,255 --> 00:38:32,695
Speaker 6: six hundred by six hundred by twenty mil thick tile,

662
00:38:33,055 --> 00:38:36,655
Speaker 6: and then you can lay those down to have level entry.

663
00:38:37,095 --> 00:38:41,775
Speaker 6: That sort of thing. They work really well in that situation. Brilliance,

664
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, No trouble at all, good luck,

665
00:38:43,975 --> 00:38:47,295
Speaker 6: enjoy all right, mate, all the very best, take care

666
00:38:47,575 --> 00:38:49,215
Speaker 6: your news talks be there. We've got a couple of

667
00:38:49,215 --> 00:38:55,255
Speaker 6: options for will and I've got to do a presentation

668
00:38:55,615 --> 00:38:58,935
Speaker 6: funnily enough actually for the Passive House Institute at their

669
00:38:58,935 --> 00:39:02,375
Speaker 6: conference coming up, I think at some time in June.

670
00:39:03,135 --> 00:39:07,855
Speaker 6: And one of the things that I suppose there's no

671
00:39:07,935 --> 00:39:10,335
Speaker 6: reason to talk about it now, I may as well.

672
00:39:11,175 --> 00:39:13,055
Speaker 6: One of the things that I've been thinking about in

673
00:39:13,175 --> 00:39:16,695
Speaker 6: terms of how we approach building in New Zealand is

674
00:39:16,735 --> 00:39:22,135
Speaker 6: that we're in a sense very binary. As an if

675
00:39:22,135 --> 00:39:26,055
Speaker 6: I've got an idea and I think it's a good idea,

676
00:39:26,495 --> 00:39:30,335
Speaker 6: then your idea must be a bad idea. It's kind

677
00:39:30,375 --> 00:39:34,135
Speaker 6: of how we approach things. So as soon as I go, look,

678
00:39:34,215 --> 00:39:36,975
Speaker 6: I think that I would do screw piles, someone else

679
00:39:37,015 --> 00:39:38,775
Speaker 6: will say, well, no, no, no, you can't do screw piles.

680
00:39:38,855 --> 00:39:41,895
Speaker 6: You have to do conventional piles. And then someone says, well,

681
00:39:42,295 --> 00:39:47,095
Speaker 6: I think conventional piles are no good because I think

682
00:39:47,175 --> 00:39:51,215
Speaker 6: you should use adjustable neurojacks or booson jacks or something

683
00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:53,335
Speaker 6: like that. In the end, all of those options will

684
00:39:53,375 --> 00:39:58,575
Speaker 6: provide you, hopefully done well, the same outcome, solid foundation

685
00:39:58,735 --> 00:40:02,375
Speaker 6: for your deck. But we seem to be incredibly focused

686
00:40:02,415 --> 00:40:05,255
Speaker 6: on this idea that as soon as I've decided on

687
00:40:05,335 --> 00:40:09,375
Speaker 6: an idea, every the idea is a bad idea. And

688
00:40:09,615 --> 00:40:11,255
Speaker 6: I've been thinking about this for a couple of years

689
00:40:11,295 --> 00:40:14,695
Speaker 6: now and I can't think of a single instance where

690
00:40:14,855 --> 00:40:18,255
Speaker 6: it's not somehow true. Anyway, That's what I'll be talking

691
00:40:18,255 --> 00:40:22,055
Speaker 6: about at the conference sometime there. You go right here,

692
00:40:22,135 --> 00:40:24,535
Speaker 6: here's news Talk SEDB. We've got new sport and weather

693
00:40:24,615 --> 00:40:26,095
Speaker 6: coming up top of the hour. We're gonna have a

694
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Speaker 6: chat with Mike Olds in the next hour as well.

695
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697
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Speaker 6: right now, right through to late thirty, it's your opportunity

698
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702
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Speaker 15: leave me?

712
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Speaker 6: Picked up on the news the other day that yes,

713
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Speaker 6: say that Neil Sedaka had passed away. And to be fair,

714
00:42:11,895 --> 00:42:14,695
Speaker 6: while it not being my thing, you can't grow up

715
00:42:14,735 --> 00:42:19,455
Speaker 6: in the nineteen seventies basically or nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies

716
00:42:19,815 --> 00:42:22,655
Speaker 6: and not have had that song on the radio just

717
00:42:22,775 --> 00:42:26,175
Speaker 6: absolutely constantly. So that's again an end of an era.

718
00:42:26,735 --> 00:42:29,055
Speaker 6: Neil Sadharka passed away just the other day. Oh eight

719
00:42:29,175 --> 00:42:31,655
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

720
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Speaker 6: Graham A very good morning to you.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, good morning, Pete. But cool, isn't that?

722
00:42:38,975 --> 00:42:40,615
Speaker 6: I have to say. I was just looking out at

723
00:42:40,655 --> 00:42:44,415
Speaker 6: the fact that it started raining overnight, and which is,

724
00:42:45,415 --> 00:42:48,695
Speaker 6: if I'm completely and utterly selfish, perfect, because I've finished

725
00:42:49,175 --> 00:42:51,175
Speaker 6: all of the water that was in the I've got

726
00:42:51,175 --> 00:42:53,735
Speaker 6: a little one of those Bailey slim gym tanks tucked

727
00:42:53,735 --> 00:42:57,015
Speaker 6: in next to the shed that's completely empty. All of

728
00:42:57,055 --> 00:42:59,975
Speaker 6: the other water that I've been storing over the summer

729
00:43:00,215 --> 00:43:02,895
Speaker 6: is completely empty. So the fact that it's raining today

730
00:43:02,935 --> 00:43:05,455
Speaker 6: and my little slim gym tank is filling up, I'm

731
00:43:05,535 --> 00:43:06,895
Speaker 6: happy as Larry to be fair.

732
00:43:07,895 --> 00:43:08,575
Speaker 9: Oh that's good.

733
00:43:08,655 --> 00:43:09,815
Speaker 16: That's cool here in Nelson.

734
00:43:09,855 --> 00:43:10,655
Speaker 9: But's fine.

735
00:43:10,895 --> 00:43:11,095
Speaker 12: Hey.

736
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Speaker 16: The question is we're about to paint weather board house

737
00:43:17,015 --> 00:43:21,535
Speaker 16: and it's got slight oxidation and I believe that that

738
00:43:21,655 --> 00:43:25,975
Speaker 16: Rasine house wash will take that oxidation off. Is that true?

739
00:43:26,215 --> 00:43:29,935
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I mean, I shouldn't be surprised, but I

740
00:43:30,135 --> 00:43:33,855
Speaker 6: was when I used it sometime last year and doing

741
00:43:33,895 --> 00:43:36,655
Speaker 6: exactly what you're doing. So some existing paint work that

742
00:43:36,735 --> 00:43:40,415
Speaker 6: I wanted to prep ready for top coat, and so

743
00:43:40,815 --> 00:43:43,375
Speaker 6: I use that house wash and kind of you know,

744
00:43:44,095 --> 00:43:47,015
Speaker 6: use it as per the instruction, So apply it, let

745
00:43:47,055 --> 00:43:49,735
Speaker 6: it sit there for a while, rinse it off, agitate

746
00:43:49,815 --> 00:43:53,215
Speaker 6: or agitate, and then rinse it off and it does.

747
00:43:53,255 --> 00:43:56,335
Speaker 6: It makes a really good job of preparing the paint

748
00:43:56,615 --> 00:43:59,975
Speaker 6: for new paint or your existing paint work for new paint.

749
00:44:00,055 --> 00:44:03,335
Speaker 6: So yeah, it works incredibly well.

750
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Speaker 16: A bit easier than standing.

751
00:44:06,535 --> 00:44:06,695
Speaker 9: Hey.

752
00:44:06,695 --> 00:44:11,535
Speaker 6: Look, it's generally the process is, so you've got existing

753
00:44:12,255 --> 00:44:15,655
Speaker 6: exterior paint work, you want to do some either touch

754
00:44:15,695 --> 00:44:19,135
Speaker 6: ups or a recoat. I would start with a thorough

755
00:44:19,135 --> 00:44:22,535
Speaker 6: house wash. Then once you've done that, any loose areas,

756
00:44:22,575 --> 00:44:24,855
Speaker 6: any flaky paint and that sort of thing, you'll still

757
00:44:24,895 --> 00:44:26,695
Speaker 6: have to hit with a bit of sandpaper or a

758
00:44:26,775 --> 00:44:31,295
Speaker 6: tungsten scraper, do the spot prime, and then carry on

759
00:44:31,375 --> 00:44:34,455
Speaker 6: with your top coats from there. But I think one

760
00:44:34,455 --> 00:44:37,535
Speaker 6: of the things that I reckon if you look at

761
00:44:37,535 --> 00:44:40,615
Speaker 6: paint failures, and I know people like Jay and Bryce

762
00:44:40,655 --> 00:44:43,215
Speaker 6: who come on the show from Razine to talk about painting,

763
00:44:44,015 --> 00:44:46,775
Speaker 6: they often get called out where someone goes, look, I've

764
00:44:46,775 --> 00:44:50,255
Speaker 6: applied some paint and it's useless because it's peeling off, right,

765
00:44:51,095 --> 00:44:53,695
Speaker 6: And then you ask people about what was your preparation.

766
00:44:54,215 --> 00:44:56,055
Speaker 6: Oh well, I just came out and I just applied

767
00:44:56,055 --> 00:44:58,255
Speaker 6: the paint over the top of my existing paint.

768
00:44:58,295 --> 00:44:58,455
Speaker 9: You know.

769
00:44:58,655 --> 00:45:01,015
Speaker 6: Okay, so you didn't wash it, you didn't remove all

770
00:45:01,055 --> 00:45:03,975
Speaker 6: of that moss and mildew that builds up, and therefore

771
00:45:04,175 --> 00:45:06,695
Speaker 6: your paint is literally sticking to something. It's going to

772
00:45:06,735 --> 00:45:10,055
Speaker 6: peel off. So that's where the paint prep is really important.

773
00:45:10,815 --> 00:45:12,135
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm well aware of that.

774
00:45:12,295 --> 00:45:17,535
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it'll it's a it's a great first step basically.

775
00:45:17,935 --> 00:45:20,695
Speaker 6: And then the other thing is and you know, there's

776
00:45:20,735 --> 00:45:23,095
Speaker 6: plenty of sort of evidence for this as well. If

777
00:45:23,135 --> 00:45:27,255
Speaker 6: you regularly wash your house, the paint will last longer

778
00:45:27,335 --> 00:45:31,095
Speaker 6: as well. So the same product you can use on

779
00:45:31,215 --> 00:45:34,655
Speaker 6: let's say a yearly basis to wash your house down

780
00:45:34,695 --> 00:45:37,255
Speaker 6: as well, because it will attack all of that moss

781
00:45:37,255 --> 00:45:40,375
Speaker 6: and mildew and grime that builds up on the exterior

782
00:45:40,415 --> 00:45:40,935
Speaker 6: of the house.

783
00:45:40,975 --> 00:45:45,175
Speaker 16: So yes, know that once the paint is cured, it

784
00:45:45,215 --> 00:45:46,135
Speaker 16: won't affect it.

785
00:45:46,375 --> 00:45:50,215
Speaker 6: No, no new paint, it's just purely cleaning the surface off.

786
00:45:50,415 --> 00:45:54,255
Speaker 6: So if you were to, you know, if you're doing

787
00:45:54,295 --> 00:45:57,055
Speaker 6: the painting, and look, i'd love to say that I

788
00:45:57,095 --> 00:45:58,815
Speaker 6: do it every year, and I don't, but I should.

789
00:45:59,375 --> 00:46:02,175
Speaker 6: The reality is if you wash your exterior paint work

790
00:46:02,215 --> 00:46:06,095
Speaker 6: down every year, it will last a lot longer. Simple

791
00:46:06,135 --> 00:46:10,695
Speaker 6: as it. Well, thanks very much next year, thanks mate,

792
00:46:10,775 --> 00:46:15,855
Speaker 6: nice check, take care and Donald a very good morning

793
00:46:15,855 --> 00:46:16,175
Speaker 6: to you.

794
00:46:17,655 --> 00:46:25,935
Speaker 17: Oh good morning, Peter mate. No, yeah, Peter of identified

795
00:46:26,015 --> 00:46:31,375
Speaker 17: an aspect of the building code that desperately needs reviewing.

796
00:46:32,095 --> 00:46:39,695
Speaker 17: It is cumbersome, It is overly unnecessarily expensive. It does

797
00:46:39,815 --> 00:46:45,135
Speaker 17: nothing to reduce the housing affordability crisis that we've got,

798
00:46:45,215 --> 00:46:49,295
Speaker 17: nothing to reduce the cost of rent people pay, and

799
00:46:49,495 --> 00:46:53,615
Speaker 17: worst of all, people will die as a result of it.

800
00:46:53,775 --> 00:46:54,815
Speaker 17: And it needs changing.

801
00:46:55,055 --> 00:46:55,455
Speaker 18: Go for it.

802
00:46:55,495 --> 00:46:55,975
Speaker 13: What is it?

803
00:46:57,495 --> 00:47:04,615
Speaker 17: Okay, I've got an eleven bedroom house studio units with

804
00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:08,975
Speaker 17: their own bathrooms and everything. And because of the number

805
00:47:09,015 --> 00:47:12,775
Speaker 17: of people living in this house, it requires a building

806
00:47:12,775 --> 00:47:13,535
Speaker 17: warrant of fitness.

807
00:47:14,575 --> 00:47:18,615
Speaker 6: Understanding with that understandably.

808
00:47:18,855 --> 00:47:23,975
Speaker 17: Yeah, understandable. Yeah, no problem with that. With that building

809
00:47:23,975 --> 00:47:28,855
Speaker 17: warrn of fitness were required to have a specified fire

810
00:47:29,615 --> 00:47:35,255
Speaker 17: rating system that has to be monitored every month. The

811
00:47:35,295 --> 00:47:39,255
Speaker 17: only problem is, Peter, this technology, it's fifty years old.

812
00:47:39,895 --> 00:47:44,215
Speaker 17: You know, it was designed before the invent of cell

813
00:47:44,255 --> 00:47:49,055
Speaker 17: phones and fax machines. They false alarm, you get the

814
00:47:49,135 --> 00:47:52,295
Speaker 17: alarm going off one o'clock in the morning. It's incredibly

815
00:47:52,335 --> 00:47:58,415
Speaker 17: frustrating and I want to put an integrated into connected

816
00:47:58,935 --> 00:48:01,855
Speaker 17: fire alarms, but I'm prevented from doing.

817
00:48:01,655 --> 00:48:04,095
Speaker 9: So because of red tape.

818
00:48:07,135 --> 00:48:11,935
Speaker 17: Right, Yes, yeah, so we need the building code I'd

819
00:48:11,975 --> 00:48:14,815
Speaker 17: like to put in, as I said, interconnected. Are you

820
00:48:14,855 --> 00:48:16,775
Speaker 17: familiar with stamped I.

821
00:48:16,655 --> 00:48:19,815
Speaker 6: Am, But so, just just to be clear for people listening,

822
00:48:20,175 --> 00:48:23,455
Speaker 6: there is now a requirement in the building code that

823
00:48:24,455 --> 00:48:29,735
Speaker 6: smoke detectors that are installed in residential buildings are now interconnected.

824
00:48:32,335 --> 00:48:34,615
Speaker 16: Absolute it is.

825
00:48:34,775 --> 00:48:39,815
Speaker 6: It is a very very sensible idea, and we can

826
00:48:39,855 --> 00:48:45,855
Speaker 6: explain why a little bit later on. But in your situation,

827
00:48:46,495 --> 00:48:54,055
Speaker 6: I'm not sure that it would meet the level of like,

828
00:48:54,735 --> 00:48:58,215
Speaker 6: are you proposing that your solution for an eleven bedroom

829
00:48:59,735 --> 00:49:04,895
Speaker 6: property which is occupied by individual people who are let's say,

830
00:49:04,935 --> 00:49:09,815
Speaker 6: not family, that you were doing interconnected system there and

831
00:49:09,895 --> 00:49:14,415
Speaker 6: that would provide you with, I guess, a commercial level

832
00:49:14,815 --> 00:49:16,175
Speaker 6: of fire detection.

833
00:49:18,255 --> 00:49:23,815
Speaker 17: I'm proposing putting in something far superior, far better than

834
00:49:23,855 --> 00:49:24,935
Speaker 17: what we've got already.

835
00:49:25,415 --> 00:49:29,695
Speaker 6: Right, And where's the hold up? What have you encountered?

836
00:49:31,535 --> 00:49:34,775
Speaker 17: I go to the council where they're building more and

837
00:49:34,855 --> 00:49:38,815
Speaker 17: the fitness is registered and they say, if you deviate

838
00:49:39,055 --> 00:49:42,055
Speaker 17: from the system that you've got now, you'll have to

839
00:49:42,095 --> 00:49:46,575
Speaker 17: go to a fire engineer. Made them two thousand dollars

840
00:49:46,655 --> 00:49:49,415
Speaker 17: to come out and inspect the property, a further eighteen

841
00:49:49,495 --> 00:49:54,575
Speaker 17: thousand dollars to review to design you up a new system,

842
00:49:55,815 --> 00:49:57,935
Speaker 17: and it could cost up to one hundred and fifty

843
00:49:58,015 --> 00:49:59,415
Speaker 17: thousand dollars to implement.

844
00:50:01,095 --> 00:50:06,175
Speaker 6: Right, I can certainly understand your frustration.

845
00:50:05,775 --> 00:50:10,215
Speaker 17: With that, but absolutely this system that we've got for.

846
00:50:12,255 --> 00:50:17,855
Speaker 6: So could you go to a fire engineer, you know

847
00:50:17,895 --> 00:50:21,375
Speaker 6: those that often do the design and the installation and

848
00:50:21,495 --> 00:50:24,615
Speaker 6: simply upgrade the existing system.

849
00:50:25,335 --> 00:50:29,415
Speaker 17: You cannot upgrade this. You cannot go away from the

850
00:50:30,695 --> 00:50:34,655
Speaker 17: specified system without getting a fine fire engineers report, and

851
00:50:34,735 --> 00:50:37,655
Speaker 17: it costs two thousand dollars eighteen thousand dollars for a

852
00:50:37,695 --> 00:50:40,455
Speaker 17: new plan, could cost up to one hundred and fifty

853
00:50:40,455 --> 00:50:43,895
Speaker 17: thousand dollars to implement the issue I have. We've had

854
00:50:44,095 --> 00:50:48,535
Speaker 17: four false alarm activations in the past three months.

855
00:50:49,015 --> 00:50:52,855
Speaker 6: And are each of those is your system of brigade systems,

856
00:50:52,895 --> 00:50:55,135
Speaker 6: so it goes straight to the fire No, it's not

857
00:50:55,175 --> 00:50:56,335
Speaker 6: a brigade, Okay.

858
00:50:56,295 --> 00:50:56,655
Speaker 18: That's right.

859
00:50:56,695 --> 00:51:03,095
Speaker 17: No, my property manager does have one such system and

860
00:51:03,175 --> 00:51:07,175
Speaker 17: that false alarms two Petter and yeah, the fire brigade

861
00:51:07,255 --> 00:51:14,375
Speaker 17: are automatically and the first one or two boss alarm

862
00:51:14,495 --> 00:51:17,015
Speaker 17: calling it's a free after that at seven hundred dollars

863
00:51:17,615 --> 00:51:21,455
Speaker 17: then and then you get charged up to one thousand

864
00:51:21,535 --> 00:51:26,375
Speaker 17: and three dollars for the technician to come out and

865
00:51:26,535 --> 00:51:33,375
Speaker 17: reset your alarm. Yeah, it's horrendously expensive. It's got to

866
00:51:33,415 --> 00:51:33,935
Speaker 17: be changed.

867
00:51:33,935 --> 00:51:34,335
Speaker 16: Mate.

868
00:51:34,815 --> 00:51:39,295
Speaker 17: Well, I've spent ten thousand dollars in the last twelve

869
00:51:39,335 --> 00:51:45,415
Speaker 17: months just complying with this code and only eleven tenants

870
00:51:45,415 --> 00:51:48,095
Speaker 17: made of fond To recover that money from just those

871
00:51:48,135 --> 00:51:52,015
Speaker 17: eleven tenants will be nine hundred dollars per year per tenants,

872
00:51:52,335 --> 00:51:54,855
Speaker 17: which is just insane.

873
00:51:55,535 --> 00:51:59,895
Speaker 6: Okay. Can I just be really honest and partly Devil's advocate?

874
00:52:00,495 --> 00:52:02,575
Speaker 6: If this is a building that you've had for how

875
00:52:02,575 --> 00:52:03,135
Speaker 6: many years?

876
00:52:05,055 --> 00:52:08,015
Speaker 17: It was built in two thousand and two, so it's

877
00:52:08,055 --> 00:52:11,055
Speaker 17: not that terribly old and we've owned it for we've

878
00:52:11,055 --> 00:52:11,735
Speaker 17: owned it for.

879
00:52:11,935 --> 00:52:15,095
Speaker 6: Ten But hang on, you're talking about a system that's

880
00:52:15,215 --> 00:52:17,175
Speaker 6: that's twenty or thirty years old. But if it's two

881
00:52:17,255 --> 00:52:20,895
Speaker 6: thousand and two, it's not. It's it's only twenty four

882
00:52:20,935 --> 00:52:25,415
Speaker 6: years old. You're saying the system is much older.

883
00:52:26,855 --> 00:52:34,855
Speaker 17: The technology that we've got. It's been around for fifty years.

884
00:52:35,655 --> 00:52:39,975
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that might be true, but you're okay, that

885
00:52:40,055 --> 00:52:42,415
Speaker 6: doesn't still bring you. The place that you're talking about

886
00:52:42,455 --> 00:52:44,975
Speaker 6: is not that old right now.

887
00:52:45,415 --> 00:52:48,215
Speaker 17: It's twenty twenty two to twenty three years old.

888
00:52:52,055 --> 00:52:54,935
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, So you've got to upgrade it to stop

889
00:52:54,975 --> 00:52:57,295
Speaker 6: the false alarms, which is good.

890
00:52:57,615 --> 00:53:01,015
Speaker 17: Yeah, that could goss up to one hundred and seventy

891
00:53:01,055 --> 00:53:05,575
Speaker 17: thousand dollars and I can put a fully integrated system in.

892
00:53:05,815 --> 00:53:08,655
Speaker 6: Yeah, but if the fully integrated system doesn't comply with

893
00:53:08,735 --> 00:53:12,655
Speaker 6: the requirements of the building code in terms of safety

894
00:53:12,775 --> 00:53:17,815
Speaker 6: and so on, either you've got to find another building

895
00:53:18,095 --> 00:53:21,495
Speaker 6: a fire consultant who might have a more pragmatic approach. Right,

896
00:53:21,935 --> 00:53:26,255
Speaker 6: So have you only engaged with one fire consultant.

897
00:53:27,215 --> 00:53:31,855
Speaker 17: Only one fire consultant of engaged with the local council

898
00:53:32,495 --> 00:53:35,975
Speaker 17: that run the building. Building were on a fitness They

899
00:53:36,055 --> 00:53:39,575
Speaker 17: told me that, and that was been verified by a

900
00:53:39,695 --> 00:53:40,855
Speaker 17: fire I wonder.

901
00:53:40,695 --> 00:53:43,335
Speaker 6: Whether if I was in your shoes, the first thing

902
00:53:43,335 --> 00:53:45,695
Speaker 6: I'd do is probably go out do a bit of

903
00:53:45,735 --> 00:53:50,295
Speaker 6: research in terms of fire consultants. And I'm not saying

904
00:53:50,335 --> 00:53:52,175
Speaker 6: find someone who's going to give you the answer that

905
00:53:52,215 --> 00:53:57,095
Speaker 6: you want. I'm just saying that this is a contested space, right,

906
00:53:57,175 --> 00:54:02,375
Speaker 6: so people will have different approaches and different ideas about

907
00:54:02,375 --> 00:54:06,055
Speaker 6: a solution for your particular problem. And maybe one of

908
00:54:06,055 --> 00:54:09,175
Speaker 6: those solutions doesn't involve one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

909
00:54:09,175 --> 00:54:12,375
Speaker 6: worth of new system, which I agree seems excessive given

910
00:54:12,415 --> 00:54:15,775
Speaker 6: that the system is only about twenty three years old,

911
00:54:15,935 --> 00:54:19,775
Speaker 6: or they're about twenty three twenty four years old. So

912
00:54:20,975 --> 00:54:23,215
Speaker 6: you know, we're not going to see a change to

913
00:54:23,255 --> 00:54:26,175
Speaker 6: the building code as a result of what you're talking about.

914
00:54:27,015 --> 00:54:30,815
Speaker 6: The fire requirements are strict for a reason because they

915
00:54:30,855 --> 00:54:34,815
Speaker 6: are all about protecting life, right, And so you as

916
00:54:34,815 --> 00:54:40,375
Speaker 6: a commercial property owner, you know you're doing this for profit,

917
00:54:40,895 --> 00:54:46,135
Speaker 6: and you have a responsibility to ensure that the building's compliant.

918
00:54:46,775 --> 00:54:49,855
Speaker 6: It's just a cost of doing business, right. So then

919
00:54:49,895 --> 00:54:53,735
Speaker 6: if you're in the business of earning money from rental properties,

920
00:54:53,735 --> 00:54:55,975
Speaker 6: which a number of us are, then you just need

921
00:54:56,015 --> 00:54:59,615
Speaker 6: to make it compliant. But if you've been advised that somehow,

922
00:54:59,775 --> 00:55:02,135
Speaker 6: or your advice is that it's a really expensive solution,

923
00:55:02,615 --> 00:55:05,495
Speaker 6: possibly you need another consultant who's a bit more pragmatic

924
00:55:05,535 --> 00:55:09,455
Speaker 6: and I you know, like the infrastructure that you have,

925
00:55:09,895 --> 00:55:12,015
Speaker 6: the wiring and all the rest of it. I would

926
00:55:12,015 --> 00:55:16,015
Speaker 6: imagine it's still okay, in which case you're talking about

927
00:55:16,295 --> 00:55:18,855
Speaker 6: changing the brains of it and so on, And I

928
00:55:18,895 --> 00:55:21,735
Speaker 6: can't see that being one hundred and fifty thousand dollars exercise.

929
00:55:23,015 --> 00:55:24,415
Speaker 17: Well, that's what they're telling me.

930
00:55:24,535 --> 00:55:27,135
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, but then I'm I guess if I

931
00:55:27,175 --> 00:55:29,855
Speaker 6: was in your shoes, i'd be looking around for some

932
00:55:29,935 --> 00:55:31,615
Speaker 6: other Yeah, maybe slightly more.

933
00:55:33,295 --> 00:55:36,615
Speaker 17: Yeah, I've got a maide in Canada and they have it.

934
00:55:36,775 --> 00:55:41,975
Speaker 17: Sounds like it's compulsory in Canada. Hardwire fire alarm systems. Yeah,

935
00:55:42,975 --> 00:55:47,095
Speaker 17: if there's a fault with it at chirps like like

936
00:55:47,255 --> 00:55:52,295
Speaker 17: the standard alarms, we know and you can, you know,

937
00:55:52,335 --> 00:55:56,055
Speaker 17: swap out the battery. These integrated ones they talk to

938
00:55:56,135 --> 00:55:58,455
Speaker 17: each other, Peter, I don't know whether how familiar were

939
00:55:58,495 --> 00:55:58,895
Speaker 17: they are they?

940
00:55:58,975 --> 00:56:03,455
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm really interested in I mean, there is there

941
00:56:03,495 --> 00:56:06,135
Speaker 6: is phenomenal technology in this. I've done one or two

942
00:56:06,295 --> 00:56:08,655
Speaker 6: buildings where we've had to install sort of commercial fire

943
00:56:08,775 --> 00:56:12,015
Speaker 6: systems in them. I realize that it's a very very

944
00:56:12,015 --> 00:56:15,495
Speaker 6: specialized area, but I think it is just looping it

945
00:56:15,535 --> 00:56:19,255
Speaker 6: back to a more residential situation. Having integrated fire alarms

946
00:56:19,295 --> 00:56:22,575
Speaker 6: into residential homes is going to be a really good thing.

947
00:56:23,215 --> 00:56:25,815
Speaker 6: Let us know how you get on. I'd be intrigued

948
00:56:25,855 --> 00:56:28,495
Speaker 6: to see where you end up with in this particular situation.

949
00:56:28,535 --> 00:56:30,655
Speaker 6: All the best of your Donald. We'll talk to Graham

950
00:56:30,735 --> 00:56:31,695
Speaker 6: straight after the news.

951
00:56:32,255 --> 00:56:37,975
Speaker 1: Measure twice call once on eight eighty the resident builder

952
00:56:38,055 --> 00:56:41,975
Speaker 1: with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future of

953
00:56:42,055 --> 00:56:44,535
Speaker 1: Kiwi Building Today news talks there be.

954
00:56:46,575 --> 00:56:48,695
Speaker 6: We're back and it's after the break, not after the news.

955
00:56:48,695 --> 00:56:53,135
Speaker 6: My apologies to someone who is most upset Graham, Greetings

956
00:56:53,175 --> 00:56:53,935
Speaker 6: and good morning.

957
00:56:54,695 --> 00:56:58,895
Speaker 19: Yes, good morning Peter. I've finally finally gone around to

958
00:56:58,935 --> 00:57:03,495
Speaker 19: bring you so because I've heard you talk about this

959
00:57:03,815 --> 00:57:07,175
Speaker 19: product that you can put it on the inside of

960
00:57:07,175 --> 00:57:13,535
Speaker 19: the house that will seal the water out. I'll explain.

961
00:57:13,615 --> 00:57:19,335
Speaker 19: I've got a concrete floor, concrete block wall, and the

962
00:57:19,375 --> 00:57:24,855
Speaker 19: concrete block walls a retainer, and we had sealed it

963
00:57:24,895 --> 00:57:27,575
Speaker 19: on the outside when we built the house just over

964
00:57:27,655 --> 00:57:33,575
Speaker 19: twenty years ago. But now I'm getting a I've got

965
00:57:33,615 --> 00:57:41,815
Speaker 19: a concrete polished floor and now the coating is just

966
00:57:42,615 --> 00:57:46,975
Speaker 19: bubbling up and coming off, so I thought, well I

967
00:57:47,015 --> 00:57:50,615
Speaker 19: should clean it back and put some of that ceilant

968
00:57:50,735 --> 00:57:58,935
Speaker 19: on because the how could I put it? The back

969
00:57:59,015 --> 00:58:02,135
Speaker 19: fill on the retaining wall is about four or five

970
00:58:02,215 --> 00:58:05,855
Speaker 19: foot deep. Yeah, sure, I don't really want to dig

971
00:58:05,895 --> 00:58:06,255
Speaker 19: that out.

972
00:58:06,295 --> 00:58:11,335
Speaker 6: No, although it may well be your best solution. So

973
00:58:13,055 --> 00:58:17,415
Speaker 6: the product that I've used reasonably successfully is called Sea

974
00:58:17,455 --> 00:58:21,735
Speaker 6: Mix crystal Proof, and it's like a sementitious material. It's

975
00:58:21,735 --> 00:58:24,415
Speaker 6: basically like a powder that you mix up into a

976
00:58:24,455 --> 00:58:28,135
Speaker 6: slurry and you apply it to the face of the

977
00:58:28,175 --> 00:58:32,695
Speaker 6: masonry of the blockwork, and then it's a crystalline solution.

978
00:58:32,975 --> 00:58:37,695
Speaker 6: So it penetrates the masonry looking for moisture, and essentially

979
00:58:37,695 --> 00:58:40,855
Speaker 6: when it encounters the moisture, the crystals expand and that

980
00:58:40,895 --> 00:58:46,455
Speaker 6: blocks the pathway. However, you then can't, for example, paint

981
00:58:46,495 --> 00:58:49,575
Speaker 6: over it and so on. So it's kind of a

982
00:58:49,575 --> 00:58:52,335
Speaker 6: solution that you can use if it's hidden or unless

983
00:58:52,335 --> 00:58:56,815
Speaker 6: you like just looking at that particular finish. So when

984
00:58:56,855 --> 00:58:59,975
Speaker 6: you're talking about your floor that might be bubbling because

985
00:59:00,015 --> 00:59:04,095
Speaker 6: there's moisture getting into the slab, this probably won't be

986
00:59:04,175 --> 00:59:06,055
Speaker 6: the solution for you because you couldn't have a polish

987
00:59:06,095 --> 00:59:09,135
Speaker 6: floor or over the top of this. There might be

988
00:59:09,415 --> 00:59:14,575
Speaker 6: some other similar systems which are injection systems, So resins

989
00:59:14,655 --> 00:59:20,135
Speaker 6: basically pumped into existing masonry under high pressure, and I

990
00:59:20,215 --> 00:59:23,175
Speaker 6: know someone who's doing that with great success. That might

991
00:59:23,295 --> 00:59:28,615
Speaker 6: be a solution for you. Yeah, So that that's so

992
00:59:28,895 --> 00:59:31,975
Speaker 6: the product that I've mentioned might not be the right

993
00:59:32,015 --> 00:59:33,735
Speaker 6: product in this application for you.

994
00:59:36,975 --> 00:59:41,255
Speaker 19: So the trouble as the block wall on the inside

995
00:59:41,735 --> 00:59:43,135
Speaker 19: is covered with chip.

996
00:59:43,615 --> 00:59:45,495
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you have to pull all of that off.

997
00:59:45,975 --> 00:59:47,415
Speaker 19: Pull a whole lot off. They have a look.

998
00:59:47,975 --> 00:59:51,655
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, essentially. And I mean, you know, regardless of

999
00:59:51,655 --> 00:59:53,335
Speaker 6: what system you were going to use, you'd need to

1000
00:59:53,415 --> 00:59:56,975
Speaker 6: rip all that off anyway to start again. So I

1001
00:59:57,095 --> 01:00:01,135
Speaker 6: wonder whether it's sort of an injected system, like a

1002
01:00:01,295 --> 01:00:05,575
Speaker 6: waterproof resin under high pressure that's installed, might be a

1003
01:00:05,735 --> 01:00:12,335
Speaker 6: better option for you. I'm if you stay with if

1004
01:00:12,335 --> 01:00:14,215
Speaker 6: you stand the line, I'll hand you back. If you

1005
01:00:14,495 --> 01:00:18,335
Speaker 6: leave your number with Graham, I'll forward some information onto you.

1006
01:00:19,415 --> 01:00:20,015
Speaker 9: There'd be love.

1007
01:00:20,135 --> 01:00:23,695
Speaker 6: I think you're trouble mate all the best. Some people

1008
01:00:23,735 --> 01:00:26,775
Speaker 6: I'm happy to give their numbers out. Other people maybe not.

1009
01:00:27,295 --> 01:00:29,575
Speaker 6: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, not because they're not good.

1010
01:00:29,615 --> 01:00:32,455
Speaker 6: It's just I'm not sure that they want me giving

1011
01:00:32,495 --> 01:00:35,055
Speaker 6: out their telephone number live on air. Oh, eight hundred

1012
01:00:35,135 --> 01:00:38,975
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number. Jeff, good morning, Good morning.

1013
01:00:39,175 --> 01:00:42,095
Speaker 20: Sounds to me like your sub drain and is giving

1014
01:00:42,175 --> 01:00:45,175
Speaker 20: in grief. And I've done about twenty or thirty years

1015
01:00:45,215 --> 01:00:46,175
Speaker 20: those we've.

1016
01:00:45,935 --> 01:00:46,615
Speaker 21: Just dug down.

1017
01:00:46,815 --> 01:00:49,975
Speaker 20: Yeah, got the drains, clear out, go below the pudding.

1018
01:00:50,215 --> 01:00:50,415
Speaker 16: Yep.

1019
01:00:50,815 --> 01:00:54,735
Speaker 20: And let's see you as the soen of the problem then, And.

1020
01:00:54,775 --> 01:00:57,215
Speaker 6: You're right about the sub soil drainage. I think that

1021
01:00:57,895 --> 01:01:00,495
Speaker 6: so often when you get those failures, you look down

1022
01:01:00,575 --> 01:01:04,175
Speaker 6: and you go either there isn't any or it's laid

1023
01:01:04,375 --> 01:01:07,775
Speaker 6: in the wrong place, or it doesn't go anywhere. So

1024
01:01:07,895 --> 01:01:10,855
Speaker 6: the water just builds up and forces.

1025
01:01:10,535 --> 01:01:14,175
Speaker 20: Through plant, tree, ground, people gardens and brings around their

1026
01:01:14,215 --> 01:01:16,615
Speaker 20: buildings and to make the place look nice. But it

1027
01:01:16,775 --> 01:01:19,695
Speaker 20: does look nice, but unfortunately the roots in the middle

1028
01:01:19,735 --> 01:01:25,055
Speaker 20: of summer ago searching for searching for work and block

1029
01:01:25,175 --> 01:01:25,775
Speaker 20: up the pins.

1030
01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:28,295
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, what.

1031
01:01:28,495 --> 01:01:31,335
Speaker 6: About what was on your mind?

1032
01:01:32,575 --> 01:01:37,935
Speaker 20: What's the original hang up about fire testing and the

1033
01:01:38,055 --> 01:01:43,375
Speaker 20: expensive people are made to go to to to comply

1034
01:01:43,615 --> 01:01:53,375
Speaker 20: with the so called modern requirements that were the whole

1035
01:01:54,095 --> 01:01:59,575
Speaker 20: main needs to be pulled apart. And I'd say, because

1036
01:01:59,575 --> 01:02:03,175
Speaker 20: it's not for purpose and at the end of the day,

1037
01:02:03,375 --> 01:02:06,735
Speaker 20: we are going to start a company, a construction company,

1038
01:02:07,455 --> 01:02:11,135
Speaker 20: and we're going to employ old people who used to

1039
01:02:11,215 --> 01:02:15,175
Speaker 20: work for the mow and who doesn't know who the

1040
01:02:15,375 --> 01:02:18,655
Speaker 20: mow is. You know, they were really I don't say

1041
01:02:18,655 --> 01:02:20,935
Speaker 20: a law on to themselves, but they were an authority

1042
01:02:21,055 --> 01:02:25,495
Speaker 20: under themselves, want for themselves and everything, basically everything they

1043
01:02:25,695 --> 01:02:29,495
Speaker 20: churned out is still standing, apart from the leaky buildings

1044
01:02:29,655 --> 01:02:31,375
Speaker 20: they got involved in and the schools.

1045
01:02:31,455 --> 01:02:31,615
Speaker 2: You know.

1046
01:02:32,815 --> 01:02:38,655
Speaker 20: But you know, listening to these guys and I've been

1047
01:02:38,735 --> 01:02:41,735
Speaker 20: involved in so many, so many outputs now that I've

1048
01:02:42,415 --> 01:02:46,695
Speaker 20: had problems with building inspectors coming along. And at the

1049
01:02:46,775 --> 01:02:48,375
Speaker 20: end of the day, as I'll say that most of

1050
01:02:48,735 --> 01:02:54,135
Speaker 20: my clients, it's only the builders and inspectors opinion, and

1051
01:02:54,255 --> 01:02:57,295
Speaker 20: if you don't like his opinion, get another one, and

1052
01:02:57,415 --> 01:02:59,575
Speaker 20: if you don't like his one, get another one. Because

1053
01:02:59,615 --> 01:03:01,655
Speaker 20: at the end of the day, half of these guys

1054
01:03:02,015 --> 01:03:05,575
Speaker 20: are only in their fifties, some of them not even.

1055
01:03:05,495 --> 01:03:07,775
Speaker 6: Not even I was going to say that that would

1056
01:03:07,855 --> 01:03:16,735
Speaker 6: make yeah, yeah, my hesitancy is around, you know, like

1057
01:03:18,575 --> 01:03:20,855
Speaker 6: it's it's easy to fall into that trap where you go, look,

1058
01:03:20,975 --> 01:03:22,655
Speaker 6: you know, everything that we used to do back in

1059
01:03:22,695 --> 01:03:25,135
Speaker 6: the day that was awesome and everything today is rubbish, right,

1060
01:03:25,215 --> 01:03:27,175
Speaker 6: And that's not true. We know that, right.

1061
01:03:27,455 --> 01:03:30,495
Speaker 20: That's not Pete, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying.

1062
01:03:30,695 --> 01:03:33,975
Speaker 20: I'm saying right now, you've got these lollipop man. He

1063
01:03:34,135 --> 01:03:36,775
Speaker 20: think they think that they need to be there.

1064
01:03:40,095 --> 01:03:42,135
Speaker 6: I'm not going to disagree with you, Jeff, because I

1065
01:03:42,455 --> 01:03:44,935
Speaker 6: spent half an hour listening to a maid of mine

1066
01:03:45,015 --> 01:03:48,215
Speaker 6: who is an You know how in the trades you

1067
01:03:48,335 --> 01:03:54,175
Speaker 6: meet exceptional trades people, right, and Richie is the best

1068
01:03:54,255 --> 01:03:55,615
Speaker 6: of the best at what he does.

1069
01:03:55,855 --> 01:03:55,975
Speaker 7: Right.

1070
01:03:56,495 --> 01:04:00,575
Speaker 6: His work is just top notch. And he rang me

1071
01:04:00,615 --> 01:04:02,295
Speaker 6: the other day and he said, I've just got a event.

1072
01:04:02,415 --> 01:04:05,895
Speaker 6: He said, I'm struggling at the moment with some you know,

1073
01:04:06,015 --> 01:04:09,255
Speaker 6: some recent building inspections where people are asking me to

1074
01:04:09,335 --> 01:04:12,175
Speaker 6: do stuff that they really don't know anything about. They've

1075
01:04:12,255 --> 01:04:16,295
Speaker 6: got nowhere near enough experience they're making, you know, they're

1076
01:04:16,335 --> 01:04:19,975
Speaker 6: packing me up on pedantic things that make no difference

1077
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Speaker 6: to the overall performance of the building. They're they're turning up,

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Speaker 6: they're asking for more information than they need, et cetera,

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Speaker 6: et cetera. And it's and he just literally needed to

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Speaker 6: vent for a bit. So I don't disagree with you,

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Speaker 6: and I would love it to be different, but I

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Speaker 6: think that out there at the moment where we are,

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Speaker 6: there are some genuine issues in terms of people coming

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Speaker 6: out doing inspections and just not knowing enough.

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Speaker 20: I think we need to go for a home, I

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01:04:49,215 --> 01:04:51,495
Speaker 20: think we need to go for one hundred year guarantee

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Speaker 20: on the building.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look, this whole space is changing, and

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Speaker 6: it's changing quite rapidly, so even the introduction to the warranty. Right,

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01:05:02,055 --> 01:05:07,095
Speaker 6: so this has been some new proposed legislation from now on,

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01:05:08,015 --> 01:05:10,455
Speaker 6: any new build and any renovation over I think it's

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01:05:10,455 --> 01:05:14,935
Speaker 6: one hundred thousand dollars will require a mandatory ten year warranty.

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Speaker 6: And so contractors going forward will need to be able

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Speaker 6: to find a provider who is going to warranty that.

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Speaker 6: It's not you know, it's not us as individual contractors anymore.

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Speaker 6: We're going to have to convince somebody else, a private

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Speaker 6: company effectively, that we are good enough that they will

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Speaker 6: warranty our work for ten years. That's going to have

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Speaker 6: quite an impact, I think on the industry and a

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01:05:46,575 --> 01:05:48,775
Speaker 6: lot of people talking about what that's going to look like.

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01:05:50,215 --> 01:05:52,855
Speaker 6: How many people will actually be like, there'll be a

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01:05:52,895 --> 01:05:54,815
Speaker 6: whole bunch of people who are doing new builds today

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01:05:55,255 --> 01:05:59,575
Speaker 6: who potentially won't be able to prove to an insurer

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01:05:59,935 --> 01:06:02,695
Speaker 6: that they are good enough for that insurer to ensure

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01:06:02,735 --> 01:06:06,735
Speaker 6: their building, and they will be status might not be

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Speaker 6: a bet.

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Speaker 22: That must come back to the builder having a billion

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Speaker 22: dollar or a million dollar or one hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 22: and that has to and that has to be that

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Speaker 22: has to happen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so because people, you know, you talk

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01:06:20,375 --> 01:06:22,255
Speaker 6: to people today and you go, do you realize the

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01:06:22,295 --> 01:06:24,735
Speaker 6: person who's building your house may not have any insurance

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Speaker 6: at all? That's shy and people are shocked. Hey, Jeff,

1115
01:06:28,975 --> 01:06:30,815
Speaker 6: I've got to move on. But I love chatting with you,

1116
01:06:30,935 --> 01:06:35,855
Speaker 6: and you know, I to be fair like this, there's

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Speaker 6: plenty of exceptional building inspectors right around the country. But

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Speaker 6: I think I'd be naive to say that that I

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01:06:43,575 --> 01:06:48,815
Speaker 6: know contractors good contractors who are genuinely struggling with either

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Speaker 6: the lack of experience, the lack of knowledge of of

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Speaker 6: some of the people, and the sort of just the

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01:07:00,575 --> 01:07:04,735
Speaker 6: it's like a focus on the learning that they've done

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01:07:04,775 --> 01:07:07,015
Speaker 6: because they did a course as oppost to the learning

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Speaker 6: that they've got because they've actually built something. It might

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Speaker 6: be slightly controversial, and I mean no offense. Seven thirty

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01:07:14,295 --> 01:07:17,615
Speaker 6: five will be back. Let's talk to Brian. Actually, Brian,

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01:07:17,695 --> 01:07:19,215
Speaker 6: you're involved in fire engineering.

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Speaker 23: Well, I'm retired sure radio technician, but I've seen this

1129
01:07:25,455 --> 01:07:30,295
Speaker 23: problem years ago, and when I hear how much would

1130
01:07:30,335 --> 01:07:33,815
Speaker 23: cost to replace the system, it's ridiculous. A system that

1131
01:07:33,935 --> 01:07:37,135
Speaker 23: worked well thirty years ago should be working well today.

1132
01:07:38,335 --> 01:07:41,815
Speaker 23: And there's two reasons that things could have changed. One

1133
01:07:41,975 --> 01:07:45,375
Speaker 23: is that there's a lot more use of radio telephone

1134
01:07:45,415 --> 01:07:49,215
Speaker 23: equipment now and post proximity to the alarm set up

1135
01:07:49,735 --> 01:07:54,815
Speaker 23: in false alarm that setting, and you can test that

1136
01:07:55,295 --> 01:08:00,255
Speaker 23: often by taking a radio telephone handheld radio and bring

1137
01:08:00,335 --> 01:08:02,575
Speaker 23: it up close to the sensor or that sensor and

1138
01:08:02,695 --> 01:08:08,895
Speaker 23: see which sensor is picking up the ref interference. Now,

1139
01:08:08,935 --> 01:08:11,815
Speaker 23: a simple fix to this is often one of two things.

1140
01:08:12,695 --> 01:08:17,375
Speaker 23: A proper radio technician that knows about transistors and capacitors

1141
01:08:17,415 --> 01:08:21,975
Speaker 23: and things, and you can change all the electrolytic capacitors

1142
01:08:22,015 --> 01:08:26,255
Speaker 23: on a circuit board very cheaply, probably you know, half

1143
01:08:26,295 --> 01:08:29,295
Speaker 23: an hour's labor to change them, and that can restore

1144
01:08:29,455 --> 01:08:34,255
Speaker 23: the board back to the original condition. The second part

1145
01:08:34,615 --> 01:08:38,135
Speaker 23: to that is that you can get these beads called

1146
01:08:38,535 --> 01:08:44,135
Speaker 23: Farehite beads that can be slipped over each wire where

1147
01:08:44,215 --> 01:08:48,255
Speaker 23: it enters the alarm panel, and that can stop the

1148
01:08:48,575 --> 01:08:54,215
Speaker 23: ref getting into the electronics and false alarming it. In

1149
01:08:54,335 --> 01:08:59,255
Speaker 23: the worst case scenario, you could rewire the building with

1150
01:09:00,015 --> 01:09:04,335
Speaker 23: shielded cable, so there's a braid over the wires that

1151
01:09:04,495 --> 01:09:08,935
Speaker 23: run off to it, and that would totally stop the

1152
01:09:09,175 --> 01:09:10,455
Speaker 23: ri if interference getting in.

1153
01:09:12,295 --> 01:09:13,775
Speaker 14: And so that.

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01:09:15,335 --> 01:09:18,935
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, And I mean when you started by saying

1155
01:09:19,175 --> 01:09:21,855
Speaker 6: you need to find a suitable experience radio technician, I'm

1156
01:09:21,855 --> 01:09:24,095
Speaker 6: thinking that they might be thin on the ground these days.

1157
01:09:25,535 --> 01:09:27,695
Speaker 23: Well they are. I've been retired for a number of

1158
01:09:27,815 --> 01:09:31,295
Speaker 23: years and I still get I still get specialist jobs

1159
01:09:32,175 --> 01:09:36,535
Speaker 23: coming in simply because some people won't attempted. And back

1160
01:09:36,735 --> 01:09:41,215
Speaker 23: on those days thirty years ago, the components were very

1161
01:09:41,295 --> 01:09:43,775
Speaker 23: big and it was very easy to change a resistor

1162
01:09:43,855 --> 01:09:49,335
Speaker 23: or change a capacitor, where today those components have shrinked

1163
01:09:49,415 --> 01:09:55,055
Speaker 23: down inside robust and you've got to have a microscope

1164
01:09:55,135 --> 01:10:01,335
Speaker 23: and their tools to remove the components under a microscope

1165
01:10:02,455 --> 01:10:08,135
Speaker 23: camera and the boards become throwaway. So a thirty year

1166
01:10:08,175 --> 01:10:12,415
Speaker 23: old system could be fully restored to new condition for

1167
01:10:12,855 --> 01:10:14,295
Speaker 23: a very reasonable price.

1168
01:10:14,655 --> 01:10:17,415
Speaker 6: Appreciate your insight, and I think too, it's one of

1169
01:10:17,455 --> 01:10:21,655
Speaker 6: those things too that sometimes you know what you're saying, Brian,

1170
01:10:22,415 --> 01:10:24,335
Speaker 6: is you need to find the right person who can

1171
01:10:24,415 --> 01:10:26,895
Speaker 6: fix something, as opposed to someone who turns up doesn't

1172
01:10:26,975 --> 01:10:29,695
Speaker 6: know what the problem is and therefore their only responses

1173
01:10:29,975 --> 01:10:34,415
Speaker 6: I'm going to replace it, and that's experience. Again. Eight

1174
01:10:34,575 --> 01:10:36,255
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1175
01:10:36,335 --> 01:10:39,735
Speaker 1: It is seven thirty eight beging what they forgot to

1176
01:10:39,815 --> 01:10:43,575
Speaker 1: mention on that YouTube video The Resident Builder with Peter

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01:10:43,655 --> 01:10:47,855
Speaker 1: Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building

1178
01:10:48,095 --> 01:10:52,055
Speaker 1: Today Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks thereb.

1179
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Speaker 6: I mentioned earlier in the show that I had the

1180
01:10:55,815 --> 01:10:58,775
Speaker 6: opportunity to go and visit a house that's under construction

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01:10:59,135 --> 01:11:03,535
Speaker 6: and the architectures Cheshire who's recently passed away obviously, and

1182
01:11:04,095 --> 01:11:07,095
Speaker 6: as it happens, I went along with this rooster Michael's

1183
01:11:07,535 --> 01:11:11,655
Speaker 6: very good morning, welcome back to the show. So thanks

1184
01:11:11,695 --> 01:11:15,335
Speaker 6: for taking me along there and and also looking forward

1185
01:11:15,375 --> 01:11:19,055
Speaker 6: to celebrating with you and the entire team from Zine Construction,

1186
01:11:19,255 --> 01:11:20,415
Speaker 6: Rock Coat forty years.

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Speaker 7: It's pretty pretty big anniversary year for us this year

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01:11:25,695 --> 01:11:28,775
Speaker 7: Peak and it was, and it was and it was

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Speaker 7: good to take up to that project the other day

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Speaker 7: and just have a look at the caliber of projects

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01:11:36,135 --> 01:11:39,735
Speaker 7: that by comparison forty years ago what we were dealing

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Speaker 7: with and working on to this stage now of multi

1193
01:11:45,975 --> 01:11:50,895
Speaker 7: million dollar residences that have a have a level and

1194
01:11:51,055 --> 01:11:55,935
Speaker 7: degree of finishing and skill and craft apply to them

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01:11:55,975 --> 01:12:00,975
Speaker 7: as just absolutely phenomenal. And so I mean to look

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01:12:01,095 --> 01:12:05,775
Speaker 7: back at forty years and think where we started with

1197
01:12:05,895 --> 01:12:09,655
Speaker 7: the rock business, starting at christ Church all the way

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Speaker 7: through to today with literally over one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 7: registered contractors applying their craft with our products around around

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Speaker 7: around New Zealand is pretty special.

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Speaker 6: And I think too, you like, you know, I like

1202
01:12:25,695 --> 01:12:27,735
Speaker 6: to travel, and you go overseas and you look at

1203
01:12:27,775 --> 01:12:29,375
Speaker 6: stuff there and you think, oh, why can't we do

1204
01:12:29,455 --> 01:12:32,215
Speaker 6: that there? But we are now and you know what

1205
01:12:32,655 --> 01:12:35,695
Speaker 6: we're seeing with the Razine construction and with the renders

1206
01:12:35,735 --> 01:12:37,535
Speaker 6: and that this is this is sort of the best

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01:12:37,615 --> 01:12:40,095
Speaker 6: that we see overseas available in New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: Now, yeah, it absolutely is, and and we we very

1209
01:12:44,335 --> 01:12:46,735
Speaker 9: much we look at what is going.

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Speaker 7: Around on around the world. And to be fair, I

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01:12:49,975 --> 01:12:51,535
Speaker 7: mean there was a project I think I've mentioned it

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01:12:51,575 --> 01:12:57,015
Speaker 7: to here previously as an artisan interior plaster who did

1213
01:12:57,015 --> 01:13:00,855
Speaker 7: a project in Auckland. Yes, and they loved what he

1214
01:13:00,975 --> 01:13:03,655
Speaker 7: did so much and for a wonderful ki we coupled

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01:13:03,815 --> 01:13:04,775
Speaker 7: is a beautiful home.

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Speaker 9: It was all sort of post ho sort of construction.

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Speaker 7: It took way longer than it shure and they bought

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Speaker 7: a residence in London and they they couldn't find the

1219
01:13:16,855 --> 01:13:20,255
Speaker 7: right skill and craft and products in London to do

1220
01:13:20,375 --> 01:13:23,775
Speaker 7: their interior for this project, so they literally they flew

1221
01:13:23,815 --> 01:13:27,695
Speaker 7: the contractor up there for six weeks and his and

1222
01:13:27,815 --> 01:13:32,215
Speaker 7: his team and we air rated all our artis and

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01:13:32,255 --> 01:13:36,175
Speaker 7: interior plas to finishes up to this project. And see,

1224
01:13:36,535 --> 01:13:38,415
Speaker 7: so we've got a bit of us in London, so

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Speaker 7: technically we're gon global.

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Speaker 6: As well as well. So from christ forty years ago

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01:13:43,815 --> 01:13:46,895
Speaker 6: to right throughout New Zealand and now international as well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's amazing and a big one not only for us.

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Speaker 7: I mean we're half the age of Razine this year

1230
01:13:53,855 --> 01:13:57,295
Speaker 7: as well, so Razine Paints started eighty years ago here

1231
01:13:57,335 --> 01:13:59,735
Speaker 7: in New Zealand as well, so it's it's a double

1232
01:13:59,775 --> 01:14:03,255
Speaker 7: whammy this year for the razine business, so it's pretty special.

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Speaker 6: It absolutely is. Look forward to selling braiding with you

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01:14:05,895 --> 01:14:08,895
Speaker 6: guys later on in when is it end of April.

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01:14:09,575 --> 01:14:12,015
Speaker 6: It'll be awesome. It'll be awesome. Hey. To find out

1236
01:14:12,055 --> 01:14:14,335
Speaker 6: more folks about all of the products and the offerings

1237
01:14:14,375 --> 01:14:18,135
Speaker 6: and the inspiration, check out Razineconstruction dot co, dot m Z.

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01:14:19,215 --> 01:14:22,415
Speaker 6: Lots of information and lots of inspiration there, Mike, thanks

1239
01:14:22,415 --> 01:14:24,895
Speaker 6: for your time this morning, Boat, Thank you, Pete all

1240
01:14:24,935 --> 01:14:27,855
Speaker 6: this take care by way your news talk ZEDB. If

1241
01:14:28,015 --> 01:14:30,455
Speaker 6: you've got a question of a building nature, Oh eight

1242
01:14:30,575 --> 01:14:32,815
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? You

1243
01:14:32,895 --> 01:14:34,335
Speaker 6: can text as well. We've got a bunch of those.

1244
01:14:34,895 --> 01:14:37,655
Speaker 6: Oh wait, that's nine two nine two is ZBZB and

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01:14:37,695 --> 01:14:40,775
Speaker 6: the emails up and running as well. Short break, we'll

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01:14:40,775 --> 01:14:43,175
Speaker 6: talk to Greg about Granny Flats in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Turning ohs into She'll be right the resident builder with

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01:14:48,015 --> 01:14:52,055
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcam and Independent Building Supplies a future of Kiwi

1249
01:14:52,175 --> 01:14:55,855
Speaker 1: building today. Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News

1250
01:14:55,935 --> 01:14:56,495
Speaker 1: Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 6: Just a quick text, Hey Pete, we're having a sale

1252
01:15:01,095 --> 01:15:03,815
Speaker 6: of stuff in our shed. What do you we have

1253
01:15:03,975 --> 01:15:09,815
Speaker 6: to do to make it good for people, well, good prices.

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01:15:10,535 --> 01:15:13,015
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to think about. I wonder whether this

1255
01:15:13,215 --> 01:15:16,375
Speaker 6: is partly in response to something that I'd been talking

1256
01:15:16,415 --> 01:15:21,695
Speaker 6: about a great deal and enjoyed massively last Sunday, which

1257
01:15:21,855 --> 01:15:26,575
Speaker 6: was the first ever Tool Bizarre, essentially a garage sale

1258
01:15:26,655 --> 01:15:30,375
Speaker 6: for tools, plants, garden equipment, so on, held outside the

1259
01:15:30,455 --> 01:15:34,935
Speaker 6: Clay Store, which is the Community Workshop in Devonport. So

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Speaker 6: I think it kind of started with the Community Workshop

1261
01:15:38,015 --> 01:15:40,255
Speaker 6: going look, we've actually got more tools than we need,

1262
01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:42,655
Speaker 6: maybe we should sell some of them, and then inviting

1263
01:15:42,695 --> 01:15:45,895
Speaker 6: people to set up the stands. So both Lock, my producer,

1264
01:15:45,935 --> 01:15:49,095
Speaker 6: and I kind of zipped over there straight after the

1265
01:15:49,135 --> 01:15:52,815
Speaker 6: show finished last Sunday. It was absolutely awesome, I have

1266
01:15:52,935 --> 01:15:56,015
Speaker 6: to say. And I understand that a couple of people

1267
01:15:56,295 --> 01:16:00,135
Speaker 6: arrived to sell stuff and booked a stall after listening

1268
01:16:00,175 --> 01:16:02,135
Speaker 6: to the show last week as well and thought, hey,

1269
01:16:02,215 --> 01:16:04,335
Speaker 6: that might be a bit of me. I bumped into

1270
01:16:04,335 --> 01:16:06,695
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of people that I know. Did I

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01:16:07,335 --> 01:16:11,615
Speaker 6: come away? Yes, I came away. Do I need to

1272
01:16:11,655 --> 01:16:12,695
Speaker 6: go and buy more tools?

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01:16:14,055 --> 01:16:14,255
Speaker 7: Well?

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01:16:14,375 --> 01:16:17,375
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I did end up they come away with.

1275
01:16:18,855 --> 01:16:21,855
Speaker 6: I ended up buying oh an extension driver bit because

1276
01:16:22,615 --> 01:16:24,735
Speaker 6: I've got some, but not that many and not that long,

1277
01:16:24,975 --> 01:16:28,455
Speaker 6: so that was awesome. And I also ended up buying

1278
01:16:29,255 --> 01:16:33,815
Speaker 6: a book printed in nineteen thirty two by Record who

1279
01:16:33,935 --> 01:16:36,855
Speaker 6: make vices and clamps and that so on. So it's

1280
01:16:36,895 --> 01:16:41,135
Speaker 6: the original brochure from nineteen thirty two, essentially their tool catalog,

1281
01:16:41,855 --> 01:16:43,375
Speaker 6: and I bought that from someone who had a whole

1282
01:16:43,375 --> 01:16:47,055
Speaker 6: collection of old books, so it was awesome. And if

1283
01:16:47,335 --> 01:16:49,615
Speaker 6: you know you're involved in community workshops and that sort

1284
01:16:49,615 --> 01:16:51,415
Speaker 6: of thing, and there's lots of them around the country,

1285
01:16:51,735 --> 01:16:54,775
Speaker 6: can I suggest that that setting up a little garage

1286
01:16:54,815 --> 01:16:59,015
Speaker 6: sale outside your place to attract interest and get people engaged.

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Speaker 6: It was absolutely fantastic and I so thoroughly hope they

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01:17:03,055 --> 01:17:05,855
Speaker 6: do more of them as well. Nothing like a good

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Speaker 6: garrete and it's community based, it's even better, right HEO

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Speaker 6: seven fifty one Greg Greetings, Yeah, hi.

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Speaker 21: Mate, I want to build a seventy square meter granny

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01:17:18,655 --> 01:17:22,815
Speaker 21: flat and I'm spoken to an architect and he has

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Speaker 21: informed me that I may have to get a geochech

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Speaker 21: report yep for the councils.

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Speaker 6: That it's quite likely. It kind of depends on what

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01:17:35,175 --> 01:17:39,895
Speaker 6: council requirements are because with your granny flat. Although you

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01:17:40,015 --> 01:17:42,775
Speaker 6: don't need a building consent, you will need permission from

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Speaker 6: council to do it, and one of their requirements might

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01:17:45,655 --> 01:17:49,935
Speaker 6: be you need to tell us that the land is suitable,

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01:17:50,215 --> 01:17:53,415
Speaker 6: the soil conditions are suitable, in which case you need

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01:17:53,495 --> 01:17:55,615
Speaker 6: to get a geotech report. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 6: then you just have to do.

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01:17:56,575 --> 01:18:03,415
Speaker 21: It, okay, because it's a dead flat site. And I

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01:18:03,615 --> 01:18:06,775
Speaker 21: was just going to put a ribrass flow down and

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01:18:08,015 --> 01:18:10,415
Speaker 21: anchor it at each corner, and I mean, it can't

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01:18:10,495 --> 01:18:14,295
Speaker 21: slip away. You will do anything like that. And I

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01:18:14,455 --> 01:18:16,255
Speaker 21: was just trying to keep the cost down because I

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01:18:16,375 --> 01:18:19,055
Speaker 21: know as soon as you go to an engineer they

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01:18:19,135 --> 01:18:21,855
Speaker 21: come on site, they're going to I'm trying to keep

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01:18:21,895 --> 01:18:22,855
Speaker 21: the fee down, you know.

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Speaker 6: And I guess that's the intent of the legislation. But

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Speaker 6: in a nutshell, I suppose I think the way in

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01:18:34,175 --> 01:18:37,095
Speaker 6: which this has been presented to some degree through the

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01:18:37,215 --> 01:18:42,335
Speaker 6: media is that you can build without any sort of

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01:18:42,615 --> 01:18:47,495
Speaker 6: rules at all. That's not the case, right, So in

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01:18:47,695 --> 01:18:50,295
Speaker 6: order to do it, you still need to have plans drawn.

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01:18:50,535 --> 01:18:53,495
Speaker 6: You need to then submit that to Council in the

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01:18:53,575 --> 01:18:58,695
Speaker 6: form of a PIM Project Information memorandum. They then may require, hey, look,

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01:18:59,375 --> 01:19:01,255
Speaker 6: just in order to ensure that the building's going to

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01:19:01,295 --> 01:19:03,455
Speaker 6: be safe, you need to prove that the ground is safe,

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01:19:03,655 --> 01:19:05,895
Speaker 6: and you can only get that by a geotech report.

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Speaker 6: The other really interesting thing is in the description of

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Speaker 6: what's permissible to build. It talks a lot about lightweight materials,

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Speaker 6: and I at this stage haven't been able to find

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01:19:21,095 --> 01:19:24,175
Speaker 6: whether or not you can do a slab or whether

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Speaker 6: it actually has to be a timber floor. So I

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01:19:29,975 --> 01:19:31,655
Speaker 6: don't know, and I haven't been able to find it,

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01:19:32,095 --> 01:19:33,975
Speaker 6: and I should probably spend a bit more time looking

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Speaker 6: for that information, but it wouldn't surprise me. And the

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Speaker 6: other thing that popped up the other day is that

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01:19:39,975 --> 01:19:44,455
Speaker 6: it talks about timber framing, right timber or metal lightweight framing,

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01:19:45,335 --> 01:19:50,455
Speaker 6: which means it excludes things like zips panels. So that's

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01:19:50,695 --> 01:19:53,855
Speaker 6: a little bit foolish, and thankfully that's been brought to

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Speaker 6: the Minister's attention and hopefully to the officials as well,

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01:19:57,855 --> 01:20:00,455
Speaker 6: and so that's going to be another potential rewrite of

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01:20:00,535 --> 01:20:03,015
Speaker 6: the legislation. So you know the fact that we are

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01:20:03,175 --> 01:20:09,295
Speaker 6: excluding innovation like zips panels on this legislation, whereas they'd

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01:20:09,335 --> 01:20:11,295
Speaker 6: be in many ways an ideal thing to build out

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01:20:11,335 --> 01:20:16,695
Speaker 6: of is a little bit foolish as well. So it's

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01:20:17,135 --> 01:20:20,695
Speaker 6: in Paris. But to answer your question, if you prepare

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01:20:20,735 --> 01:20:23,535
Speaker 6: the drawings and you submit them to counsel, and if

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Speaker 6: council asked for a geotech, then you'll have to provide one.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's sort of what I wanted to do. The

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01:20:30,695 --> 01:20:33,495
Speaker 21: architect will draw them up, and he sort of has

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01:20:33,655 --> 01:20:36,815
Speaker 21: mentioned to me and I said, well, you've seen the

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01:20:37,055 --> 01:20:40,135
Speaker 21: sight and he's looked at it and drawn it. And

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Speaker 21: I said, because what they normally they include the geotech

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Speaker 21: report when they give the information to the council because

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Speaker 21: then they don't get the r refs from the council

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01:20:53,175 --> 01:20:57,255
Speaker 21: and it speeds things up a bit. But that really

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Speaker 21: doesn't concern me because of the I'm not on a

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01:21:00,375 --> 01:21:03,095
Speaker 21: time limit or anything for me, so I mean I

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01:21:03,175 --> 01:21:05,495
Speaker 21: can bear with that. So would I be better to

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01:21:05,855 --> 01:21:09,335
Speaker 21: get to submit without the geo tech to save us?

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Speaker 21: They might what they? Okay, I mean it's a good

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01:21:13,335 --> 01:21:13,815
Speaker 21: I think what.

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Speaker 6: You'd need to do is provide some evidence as to

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01:21:17,135 --> 01:21:20,415
Speaker 6: why you didn't think that you needed a geotech in

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01:21:20,535 --> 01:21:23,935
Speaker 6: the sense that you know, like I've looked at your

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01:21:24,255 --> 01:21:28,735
Speaker 6: council records. There is no evidence of instability. It's not

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01:21:28,895 --> 01:21:31,255
Speaker 6: on a flat site. It is a flat site. There

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01:21:31,295 --> 01:21:33,615
Speaker 6: are no surrounding you know that there. It's not on

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01:21:33,735 --> 01:21:38,295
Speaker 6: the landslip register or anything like that, et cetera, et cetera,

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01:21:38,335 --> 01:21:43,455
Speaker 6: et cetera, because otherwise the default situation is going to be. Look,

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01:21:44,015 --> 01:21:47,655
Speaker 6: if I'm worried about risk as a council officer, then

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01:21:47,695 --> 01:21:49,695
Speaker 6: the easiest thing for me to do is go give

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01:21:49,775 --> 01:21:53,935
Speaker 6: me a report, which is fine, except there's a point

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01:21:53,975 --> 01:21:57,335
Speaker 6: where you go, you know, in all reality, the risk

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01:21:57,495 --> 01:22:00,535
Speaker 6: is very small and I'm going to take that risk

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Speaker 6: on anyway. So it's not council liability. Right, So if

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Speaker 6: you if you go, like worst case scenario is, let's

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01:22:06,375 --> 01:22:09,535
Speaker 6: say you built it and it's slumped in one corner, right,

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01:22:09,735 --> 01:22:13,335
Speaker 6: there was some subsidence because you didn't have deep enough pules.

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Speaker 6: That's just your problem. No, it's not counsel's problem anymore.

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Speaker 6: So why should counsel? Yeah, isn't it?

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Speaker 18: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: That's kind of where we're are. It's a great issue

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01:22:23,175 --> 01:22:26,855
Speaker 6: and we'll talk about that more. But hey, look, if

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01:22:26,895 --> 01:22:29,775
Speaker 6: someone can answer that question, can you do a concrete

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Speaker 6: slab on the new minor dwellings. I'd love to know, Oh,

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty will talk after new Sport

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Speaker 6: and weather top of.

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Speaker 1: The erradate, helping you finish that fibe. But it fixed

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01:22:46,655 --> 01:22:50,735
Speaker 1: you started the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent

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01:22:50,815 --> 01:22:55,055
Speaker 1: Building Supplies the future of Kiwi building today. Call eight

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01:22:55,175 --> 01:22:57,455
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty news talk there'd be.

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Speaker 6: I will try and get through a bunch of texts

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01:23:01,095 --> 01:23:04,455
Speaker 6: in a moment as well. But Anusia, thank you for waiting,

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01:23:04,615 --> 01:23:06,975
Speaker 6: being very patient. How can I help?

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Speaker 9: Hi?

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Speaker 6: Nasia?

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Speaker 24: I have a rented property building two dozen three with

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01:23:13,495 --> 01:23:16,895
Speaker 24: a big en tailhouse. The water build can quite hay

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01:23:17,735 --> 01:23:20,095
Speaker 24: and the plumber went death and said the leak is

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01:23:20,135 --> 01:23:24,135
Speaker 24: coming from the kitchen area. Be kind the oven an

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01:23:24,295 --> 01:23:28,295
Speaker 24: oven hob So he said, you have to break the

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Speaker 24: jipboard and possibly the whole kitchen. So I was just

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01:23:31,575 --> 01:23:34,815
Speaker 24: wondering how we can okay, how they can sort out,

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Speaker 24: how they can verify where the leak is coming from.

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Speaker 6: I suppose the first thing to do is to determine

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01:23:43,655 --> 01:23:47,615
Speaker 6: whether or not it's a leak from the water pipes

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01:23:47,655 --> 01:23:50,895
Speaker 6: inside the house, or whether it's a leak from outside.

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01:23:51,015 --> 01:23:55,495
Speaker 6: So if you're unsure about where the water is coming from,

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Speaker 6: what I would do is if no one's in the

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01:23:59,215 --> 01:24:02,855
Speaker 6: property or just say to people, don't use the water

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01:24:03,015 --> 01:24:06,175
Speaker 6: for at least four hours. Then go out and do

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01:24:06,295 --> 01:24:09,655
Speaker 6: you are reading of the meter at the water meter,

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01:24:10,575 --> 01:24:12,935
Speaker 6: and then come back and if no one's been in

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01:24:13,015 --> 01:24:15,535
Speaker 6: the house for four hours, read the meter again. And

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01:24:15,655 --> 01:24:18,655
Speaker 6: obviously if the meter has ticked on, then you know

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01:24:18,855 --> 01:24:23,775
Speaker 6: that the leak is related to your water supply. And

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01:24:23,935 --> 01:24:27,095
Speaker 6: then if that's the case, then it becomes a question

1413
01:24:27,215 --> 01:24:30,015
Speaker 6: of searching for that leak inside the house. There are

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01:24:30,135 --> 01:24:34,815
Speaker 6: some specialist companies now who do leak detection, so you

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01:24:34,895 --> 01:24:38,455
Speaker 6: could always contract those, or you know, if the leak

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01:24:38,575 --> 01:24:41,535
Speaker 6: is significant, you should be able to see evidence of it,

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01:24:41,695 --> 01:24:45,535
Speaker 6: whether that's mold, that's growing water on the floor. Obviously

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01:24:46,175 --> 01:24:49,735
Speaker 6: sometimes you can even hear the leak, depending on where

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01:24:49,775 --> 01:24:53,175
Speaker 6: it's coming from, and then yes to repair it. If

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01:24:53,215 --> 01:24:55,215
Speaker 6: it's in the wall, in the pipes in the wall,

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01:24:55,655 --> 01:24:59,495
Speaker 6: you'll need to remove that wall lining. If that happens

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01:24:59,535 --> 01:25:01,855
Speaker 6: to be behind a kitchen unit, then you've got to

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01:25:01,895 --> 01:25:03,775
Speaker 6: pull that kitchen unit out to find.

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01:25:03,575 --> 01:25:08,815
Speaker 24: That leaks quite high of four hundred and seventy five dollars. Wow,

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01:25:09,895 --> 01:25:12,375
Speaker 24: and yeah, they thinks if we want to do it,

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01:25:12,495 --> 01:25:14,695
Speaker 24: then you have to break the whole wall and possibly

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Speaker 24: the kitchen. Yes, of different bench.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and look if it's if it's that sort of leak,

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01:25:21,575 --> 01:25:24,855
Speaker 6: you know, like you could potentially go to your insurer

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01:25:25,895 --> 01:25:28,335
Speaker 6: and have the costs of the repair covered by the

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01:25:28,415 --> 01:25:31,975
Speaker 6: insurer if it's a basically if it's a one off

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01:25:32,055 --> 01:25:33,695
Speaker 6: incident caused by failure.

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Speaker 24: If it's so, I went to my insurance company and

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01:25:38,495 --> 01:25:41,495
Speaker 24: they said the leak, to repare the leap, that is

1435
01:25:41,655 --> 01:25:44,015
Speaker 24: my problem. I have to fix the leak. But if

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01:25:44,055 --> 01:25:46,415
Speaker 24: there is any damage then they will cover the damage.

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01:25:46,735 --> 01:25:50,135
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, that's right, yep, that's how typically.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, but very surprising. They did not do the leak test.

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01:25:52,855 --> 01:25:55,975
Speaker 24: So tomorrow they're going to do aleak test and see

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01:25:56,015 --> 01:25:57,775
Speaker 24: whether water after you're coming from.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:25:59,255 --> 01:26:02,015
Speaker 6: So yeah, the damage caused by the leak will be

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01:26:02,095 --> 01:26:05,055
Speaker 6: covered by insurance, but not the leak repair. That's that's

1444
01:26:05,135 --> 01:26:06,095
Speaker 6: up to you to cover that.

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01:26:07,375 --> 01:26:12,655
Speaker 24: So I contacted the lint detection team, the people would

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01:26:12,655 --> 01:26:15,135
Speaker 24: do the leak, and they said they cannot do the

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01:26:15,255 --> 01:26:17,335
Speaker 24: link test inside the house. They can do it if

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01:26:17,375 --> 01:26:18,375
Speaker 24: it's our outside.

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01:26:18,535 --> 01:26:26,815
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I mean, like what alerted you to the

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01:26:26,895 --> 01:26:28,135
Speaker 6: fact that you might have a leak?

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01:26:28,335 --> 01:26:31,495
Speaker 24: Just the water bill or is there the water bill

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01:26:31,575 --> 01:26:33,615
Speaker 24: for the last two months. The water it was coming

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01:26:33,615 --> 01:26:35,975
Speaker 24: about two hundred and thirty and the bill came about

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01:26:36,215 --> 01:26:42,215
Speaker 24: twenty five. This property is given to Clusing, New Zealand,

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01:26:42,295 --> 01:26:44,375
Speaker 24: and we cannot go directly at and when we want,

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01:26:44,455 --> 01:26:48,135
Speaker 24: so we have to take an appointment. Takes long, yeah,

1457
01:26:48,215 --> 01:26:52,655
Speaker 24: and attendance are saying that, and they have disconnected the

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01:26:52,775 --> 01:26:57,175
Speaker 24: ourburn because of safety for water and said not go right.

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Speaker 6: So it's it's almost because you know, it is quite

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01:27:00,095 --> 01:27:03,135
Speaker 6: possible that someone's just left a tap on for example,

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01:27:03,375 --> 01:27:06,175
Speaker 6: you know, and hasn't like an outdoor tap might have

1462
01:27:06,175 --> 01:27:08,935
Speaker 6: been turned on and left on for a couple of

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01:27:09,055 --> 01:27:11,815
Speaker 6: days and then they turn it off again and suddenly

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01:27:12,335 --> 01:27:13,975
Speaker 6: you know, you think you've got a leak, but in

1465
01:27:14,095 --> 01:27:16,375
Speaker 6: fact it's just a So that's where it gets tricky

1466
01:27:16,455 --> 01:27:18,735
Speaker 6: trying to find these things. But look, in the end,

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01:27:18,775 --> 01:27:20,575
Speaker 6: you're going to have to get in there. I would

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01:27:20,615 --> 01:27:23,375
Speaker 6: suggest that you ask people to if no one's in

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01:27:23,415 --> 01:27:27,135
Speaker 6: the house or if they can not use any of

1470
01:27:27,215 --> 01:27:30,735
Speaker 6: the water, and see whether or not the meter runs,

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Speaker 6: then at least you'll know that it's definitely on the

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01:27:33,455 --> 01:27:36,775
Speaker 6: water supply and then go from there. But I can

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01:27:36,855 --> 01:27:40,455
Speaker 6: appreciate that it is slightly complicated. Very good luck to

1474
01:27:40,575 --> 01:27:44,535
Speaker 6: you on that one. The other day, I was chatting

1475
01:27:44,575 --> 01:27:49,695
Speaker 6: away to someone and I kind of figured that there's

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01:27:49,855 --> 01:27:52,695
Speaker 6: kind of a couple of different ways that people interact

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01:27:52,735 --> 01:27:56,935
Speaker 6: with the show. Some people that I've chatted with say, look,

1478
01:27:57,015 --> 01:27:59,055
Speaker 6: I'm up in the morning and I'm on my way

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01:27:59,215 --> 01:28:02,375
Speaker 6: to church and I'm listening to the show. Other people go,

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01:28:02,575 --> 01:28:05,455
Speaker 6: I'm on my way to golf. So I figured that

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01:28:06,375 --> 01:28:07,935
Speaker 6: she might be an opportunity to talk a little bit

1482
01:28:07,975 --> 01:28:10,415
Speaker 6: of golf. So I'm joined this morning by David Downes,

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01:28:10,455 --> 01:28:12,975
Speaker 6: who was involved with the New Au Girl Duke of

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01:28:13,215 --> 01:28:16,055
Speaker 6: Edinburgh Cup of New Zealand. It's a qualifying tournament at

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01:28:16,095 --> 01:28:19,295
Speaker 6: the Royal Wellington Golf Club. It's on Friday, the eighth

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01:28:19,415 --> 01:28:22,255
Speaker 6: of May. Morning. David, now tell us a little bit

1487
01:28:22,295 --> 01:28:23,175
Speaker 6: more about this tournament.

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01:28:24,135 --> 01:28:26,815
Speaker 18: Yeah, bit of a golf for yourself when you could

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01:28:26,815 --> 01:28:28,615
Speaker 18: imagine not.

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01:28:28,735 --> 01:28:31,855
Speaker 6: Since I don't know how long ago, but anyway, no, well, I.

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01:28:31,855 --> 01:28:33,575
Speaker 9: Hope you can make it wrong. But basically, the Jack

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01:28:33,615 --> 01:28:34,415
Speaker 9: of Edinburgh Cup.

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01:28:34,855 --> 01:28:37,335
Speaker 18: So the Jack and Edinburgh we all know he's one

1494
01:28:37,375 --> 01:28:40,095
Speaker 18: of the princes based in the UK and his father,

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01:28:40,215 --> 01:28:41,175
Speaker 18: actually you.

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01:28:41,255 --> 01:28:42,175
Speaker 9: Know, the one that we are.

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01:28:42,455 --> 01:28:45,055
Speaker 18: The Prince Philip set up this golf tournament a few

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01:28:45,135 --> 01:28:48,855
Speaker 18: years ago, since about two thousand and it's golf for

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01:28:48,935 --> 01:28:51,575
Speaker 18: a Purpose. Essentially, they run these tournaments all around the

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Speaker 18: world in the Commonwealth countries. New Zealand has been in

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Speaker 18: the nominally and that we haven't had one run here before.

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Speaker 18: But the idea is that they're run a golf tournament

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Speaker 18: and it's for a charitable purpose, raising money for young people, children,

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Speaker 18: whatever in the country of that place. And so here

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Speaker 18: in New Zealand we're going to have the first miners

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Speaker 18: you said, the Long Wool, which is a bit of

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Speaker 18: a nominally given that it's been going for twenty five

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Speaker 18: or something years, but it's great that we finally got

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Speaker 18: it here and the Duke was really keen to get

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Speaker 18: New Zealand involved. And the charity of choice here in

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Speaker 18: New Zealand benefits young people. It's called Young Enterprise and

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Speaker 18: Programs Changing the Proces runs program through schools teaching business skills,

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Speaker 18: teaching life skills, mental resilience, leadership at sort of years

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Speaker 18: at ten eleven, twelve, at school in thirteen. So it's

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Speaker 18: a really great tournament's format and it's beautiful. That is

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Speaker 18: to say that we've got this yere Kedy Banks got

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Speaker 18: behind it, which is great. They've backed ambitious killy businesses

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Speaker 18: and obviously there's a real connection with young enterprise, helping young.

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Speaker 9: People set up businesses at school and learning that.

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Speaker 18: Sort of side of life and giving people a bit

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Speaker 18: of confidence strengthening the economy.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, the Duke of venbrok up first time in

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Speaker 9: New Ya and looking forward to it.

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Speaker 6: Now that's really good because well it's good to do

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Speaker 6: golf and it's good to have impact. Now how do

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Speaker 6: people play their part? They register at d.

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Speaker 18: Cup that's right, Doe Edinburgh Cup n Z. That'll get

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Speaker 18: them onto the website and you'll see there's beautiful pictures

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Speaker 18: of the beautiful Royal Wellington Course where it is as

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01:30:18,215 --> 01:30:21,815
Speaker 18: you said in May. And the great thing about it is, yes,

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Speaker 18: it's for a great cause, so all your registration sees

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01:30:24,455 --> 01:30:27,095
Speaker 18: and everything like that will be helping young people in

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Speaker 18: business in life. But actually there's also it's a qualified

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Speaker 18: tournament as you mentioned, so just it's philanthropic, which is good.

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Speaker 18: But the top performers, the top two will head to

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01:30:36,895 --> 01:30:40,295
Speaker 18: London in September to play at the World Finals and

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01:30:40,375 --> 01:30:43,535
Speaker 18: that's a pretty epic prize because they get to play

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Speaker 18: on the Royal Course at Windsor Castle. They'll play quite

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01:30:48,175 --> 01:30:50,455
Speaker 18: a few rounds of golf and there'll be a black

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Speaker 18: tie event with the Juke, you know, his Royal Highness.

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Speaker 18: And also there's a golfing ambassador justin Rose. Many golfers

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01:30:56,935 --> 01:30:59,615
Speaker 18: will know just the So that's that's a pretty good

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01:30:59,655 --> 01:31:02,975
Speaker 18: price too. People will get that and all included FAA's accommodation,

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Speaker 18: transport and golf everything. So yeah, so it's a good

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01:31:06,375 --> 01:31:08,135
Speaker 18: a great tournam to be involved in any way. It

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01:31:08,175 --> 01:31:13,975
Speaker 18: would be great fun but also supporting use, connecting golf

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01:31:14,175 --> 01:31:15,975
Speaker 18: in New Zealand with golf all around the world and

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Speaker 18: the chance to get up to London.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: So okay. So it's open to anyone in New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: You enter, you compete. If you're in the top two,

1552
01:31:24,175 --> 01:31:27,055
Speaker 6: you're off to London, playing at Windsor going to dinner

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Speaker 6: with the Duke of Edinburgh at Windsor Castle and the

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Speaker 6: f IS accommodation everything.

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Speaker 18: Is covered, all included, and it's great to say. You

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Speaker 18: also know that even if you don't wann the tournament,

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01:31:38,495 --> 01:31:40,855
Speaker 18: you're doing great stuff helping young people in New Zealand

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Speaker 18: and this will be the first of many. So this

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01:31:42,935 --> 01:31:45,335
Speaker 18: year is the inaugural. Right, we're out on the circuit,

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Speaker 18: which is wonderful. The Duke of Edinburgh is very keen

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Speaker 18: on New Zealand being part of it and it's just

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Speaker 18: like to be something.

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Speaker 6: Passive, absolutely all right, So check it out. Do Oe

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Speaker 6: the information will be there. Good on if for getting

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Speaker 6: you're on your way to golf this morning and you're

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Speaker 6: A couple of quick texts as well that have come in.

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Speaker 6: Things like someone we were talking about Titaness early on.

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Speaker 6: Someone texted and said, look, you know, tightness for me

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Speaker 6: is about the fact that I'm really impacted by pollen

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Speaker 6: and those sorts of things. So having the ability to

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Speaker 6: close the house up and then get filtered clean air

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Speaker 6: helps me with that part of my health concerns, which

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Speaker 6: I thought is really really interesting. A couple of other

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Speaker 6: quick texts too, Hey, a neighbor's development needs consent to

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Speaker 6: remove part of our fence under a water care but

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Speaker 6: final plans are not yet decided. They'll also backfill for

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01:34:10,215 --> 01:34:13,055
Speaker 6: a retaining wall and then build behind us. What should

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Speaker 6: homeowners be aware of before giving any consents? I think

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Speaker 6: in that instance, I think it's quite reasonable to ask

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Speaker 6: for a bond. So yes, I give consent for you

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Speaker 6: to do the work on my property, but I want

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Speaker 6: you to deposit ten thousand dollars with my lawyer's trust account.

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Speaker 6: And when I'm satisfied that the remedial work is complete

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Speaker 6: and I'm not left with any damage and unfinished work

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Speaker 6: and all the rest of it, then the bond will

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Speaker 6: be released back to you. But it sits in the

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01:34:43,935 --> 01:34:48,295
Speaker 6: trust account. So the text came in a little while ago,

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Speaker 6: but that's what I would do. I would ask for

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01:34:49,975 --> 01:34:53,455
Speaker 6: a bond and have a quick legal arrangement drawn up.

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01:34:53,735 --> 01:34:56,775
Speaker 6: It sits with a trust account, and then it puts

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Speaker 6: the pressure on the contractor to do the work, finish

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Speaker 6: the work, do it tidally and to your satisfaction, before

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01:35:03,815 --> 01:35:07,935
Speaker 6: they get that bond back someone else's taxed through. Hey,

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Speaker 6: I wonder what the typical cause for a repeating sound

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Speaker 6: coming from above the ceiling in an old timber house

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01:35:12,615 --> 01:35:15,415
Speaker 6: that can occur on sunny days, and what the possible

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Speaker 6: remedies there are. I suspect it's expansion and contraction in

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Speaker 6: your roof. Now it might be some of the actual

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01:35:21,975 --> 01:35:25,335
Speaker 6: roof structure, or it may actually be the roofing iron

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Speaker 6: which we'll expand and contract, and sometimes as it expands

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Speaker 6: there is like a crack like a gunshot sound as

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01:35:34,935 --> 01:35:39,055
Speaker 6: it basically releases the tension. The iron's not splitting or

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01:35:39,055 --> 01:35:42,295
Speaker 6: anything like that. It's just expansion and contraction in the iron.

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Speaker 6: So that might be part of that. And I'll talk

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Speaker 6: about Marie's issue about some poor workmanship in just a moment.

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Speaker 6: But first up, Dean, A very good morning.

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Speaker 14: Winding Pete. So we hear the house in Wellington that

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Speaker 14: originally the bottom floor was consented by the council way

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Speaker 14: back in the success to be converted into a stand

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Speaker 14: alone flat. Yes, since that time before we owned it,

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01:36:11,095 --> 01:36:13,815
Speaker 14: the previous owners has sort of reverted it back to

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01:36:13,975 --> 01:36:18,335
Speaker 14: a single dwelling. So my question is for us to

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Speaker 14: convert the bottom floor back to one bedroom flat as

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Speaker 14: per the nineteen sixty odd consent, do we need to

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Speaker 14: get another consent?

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Speaker 6: It would be nice if I could make the argument say,

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01:36:34,815 --> 01:36:37,055
Speaker 6: because it had and it wouldn't have been a building consent,

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01:36:37,095 --> 01:36:38,935
Speaker 6: it would have been a building permit at the time,

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01:36:39,615 --> 01:36:43,415
Speaker 6: that the conditions of that building permit should still apply today.

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01:36:44,055 --> 01:36:47,495
Speaker 6: Except it won't because the building code has changed and

1647
01:36:47,935 --> 01:36:50,815
Speaker 6: we've moved from building permits to building consents, et cetera,

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Speaker 6: et cetera. So I suspect that what will happen is

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01:36:54,215 --> 01:36:58,375
Speaker 6: you'll go to council, ask them their opinion, and their

1650
01:36:58,415 --> 01:37:01,855
Speaker 6: opinion will be No, it needs to comply with today's

1651
01:37:01,935 --> 01:37:05,815
Speaker 6: building code, and therefore you need to provide evidence that

1652
01:37:05,935 --> 01:37:10,255
Speaker 6: it will. And typically for if it's a genuine standalone

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01:37:10,335 --> 01:37:15,695
Speaker 6: dwelling as a sublet to someone, well, actually, it's interesting,

1654
01:37:16,175 --> 01:37:19,815
Speaker 6: is your intention to stay living in the house while

1655
01:37:19,975 --> 01:37:26,855
Speaker 6: having someone let that property below? Yeah, okay, it would

1656
01:37:26,855 --> 01:37:29,055
Speaker 6: pay to do some research on this. I had a

1657
01:37:29,135 --> 01:37:31,415
Speaker 6: discussion with someone who's involved in sort of property and

1658
01:37:31,455 --> 01:37:34,615
Speaker 6: property management and so on, because often when we talk

1659
01:37:34,695 --> 01:37:39,295
Speaker 6: about these where we assume that it's a rental property

1660
01:37:39,615 --> 01:37:42,855
Speaker 6: owned by an absent landlord i someone not living in

1661
01:37:42,895 --> 01:37:47,895
Speaker 6: the house, and it's let to two separate parties, that

1662
01:37:48,135 --> 01:37:51,855
Speaker 6: then typically triggers a requirement for a building consent for

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01:37:52,455 --> 01:37:56,455
Speaker 6: a legal sublet. In the instance where you are living

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01:37:56,535 --> 01:38:00,135
Speaker 6: in the house and you're letting the space below to

1665
01:38:00,255 --> 01:38:05,095
Speaker 6: another party, that doesn't require a building consent.

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Speaker 14: Des there.

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Speaker 6: But it's sort of as bizarre. But it's sort of

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01:38:11,655 --> 01:38:14,255
Speaker 6: not because it's quite a different circumstance, isn't it. If

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01:38:14,295 --> 01:38:16,855
Speaker 6: you're the homeowner and you're living there and you've got

1670
01:38:16,935 --> 01:38:20,815
Speaker 6: someone living below. Even if it's a commercial arrangement, they're

1671
01:38:20,855 --> 01:38:24,015
Speaker 6: not family or friends or anything like that. The reality

1672
01:38:24,175 --> 01:38:27,015
Speaker 6: is you're still there and in effect you're still monitoring

1673
01:38:27,095 --> 01:38:32,295
Speaker 6: the property. Right, So in reality, the way in which

1674
01:38:32,375 --> 01:38:35,575
Speaker 6: it operates would be different than if you owned a property,

1675
01:38:36,575 --> 01:38:39,415
Speaker 6: you lived in your family home, you had a rental

1676
01:38:39,455 --> 01:38:42,615
Speaker 6: property and you let it to two parties who may

1677
01:38:42,775 --> 01:38:47,015
Speaker 6: or may not know each other. You know, then you

1678
01:38:47,095 --> 01:38:50,375
Speaker 6: know you can see how the dynamics different. And I

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01:38:50,495 --> 01:38:54,135
Speaker 6: think in that sense, the law reflects that. But this

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01:38:54,295 --> 01:38:56,775
Speaker 6: is something and I have no reason to doubt the

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01:38:57,175 --> 01:39:00,255
Speaker 6: information that I've just given to you. But I will

1682
01:39:00,335 --> 01:39:02,575
Speaker 6: also be really honest and say I haven't gone through

1683
01:39:02,695 --> 01:39:06,935
Speaker 6: and read the legislation for myself, but it's come to

1684
01:39:07,055 --> 01:39:09,695
Speaker 6: me from some people who are property investors, and I

1685
01:39:09,815 --> 01:39:12,135
Speaker 6: have no reason to doubt it. So what I would

1686
01:39:12,175 --> 01:39:13,815
Speaker 6: do is have a bit of a search for that

1687
01:39:14,055 --> 01:39:17,135
Speaker 6: and go okay. So if what you've got downstairs is

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01:39:17,375 --> 01:39:21,615
Speaker 6: it's a small unit with a kitchen, shower, all those

1689
01:39:21,655 --> 01:39:23,895
Speaker 6: sorts of things, and you're going to let it to

1690
01:39:24,015 --> 01:39:26,455
Speaker 6: someone while you stay living in the house, you can

1691
01:39:26,535 --> 01:39:29,175
Speaker 6: do so without it having to become sort of a

1692
01:39:29,255 --> 01:39:30,015
Speaker 6: legal sublet.

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Speaker 14: The thing is that it was a legal sub subdeest

1694
01:39:33,815 --> 01:39:37,415
Speaker 14: exactly as consented in the nineteen sixties, right, And we're

1695
01:39:37,455 --> 01:39:40,935
Speaker 14: not talking about doing anything other than removing some small

1696
01:39:41,055 --> 01:39:44,575
Speaker 14: works that the people who owned the property before I

1697
01:39:44,815 --> 01:39:49,655
Speaker 14: did to join into one house succession. They're just put

1698
01:39:49,695 --> 01:39:53,935
Speaker 14: in the stairwell and made a bedroom smaller. Otherwise, say

1699
01:39:53,975 --> 01:39:56,815
Speaker 14: that it is is so your intention.

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01:39:56,615 --> 01:40:01,455
Speaker 6: Is to remove the stairwell in the internal access andturn

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01:40:01,975 --> 01:40:05,175
Speaker 6: the lower unit to one that has its own egress

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01:40:05,335 --> 01:40:09,895
Speaker 6: and exit. Tree and exit from the exterior, but isn't

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01:40:09,935 --> 01:40:11,575
Speaker 6: connected to the interior of the house.

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01:40:12,255 --> 01:40:15,455
Speaker 14: Not, no, not anymore. So just literally take out the stairwell.

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01:40:18,015 --> 01:40:22,855
Speaker 6: I wonder if that's considered structural work and would trigger

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01:40:22,975 --> 01:40:27,375
Speaker 6: a requirement for a building consent there, because, in effect,

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01:40:28,975 --> 01:40:31,455
Speaker 6: by taking the stairwell out, I presume you're going to

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01:40:31,575 --> 01:40:37,295
Speaker 6: close off that area that the stairwell occupies a flour.

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Speaker 14: No, no, no, just just literally take out the stairwell

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Speaker 14: and revert that bedroom back to the size that it

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Speaker 14: was before the stairwell.

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Speaker 9: Put it. Let's put it.

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Speaker 6: But what happens to the floor above the stairwell.

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Speaker 9: That space?

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01:40:52,655 --> 01:40:55,335
Speaker 6: So if you're upstairs going down the hole.

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Speaker 14: And it's about a meter half squared, it's in this

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01:40:59,655 --> 01:41:00,775
Speaker 14: very tiny spirals.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 9: Yep.

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Speaker 14: They just reverting the floorback.

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Speaker 6: Although, well, I guess it's not really structural in the

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Speaker 6: sense that you know, I think we're right on the

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01:41:17,775 --> 01:41:20,335
Speaker 6: edge of a space where you go that work might

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01:41:20,455 --> 01:41:24,535
Speaker 6: require a building consent, And if I was being cautious,

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01:41:24,535 --> 01:41:27,535
Speaker 6: I'd say that work probably does require a building consent.

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01:41:28,855 --> 01:41:34,135
Speaker 6: But if it's going back to what it was before, no,

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01:41:34,335 --> 01:41:44,935
Speaker 6: it's not. It's it really is, because in the end,

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01:41:45,175 --> 01:41:47,895
Speaker 6: the floor is structural in the sense that someone will

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01:41:47,935 --> 01:41:48,495
Speaker 6: stand on it.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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01:41:49,295 --> 01:41:52,855
Speaker 6: So let's say you you didn't. I'm not saying you

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01:41:52,895 --> 01:41:55,335
Speaker 6: won't do a good job. You will. But let's say

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01:41:55,375 --> 01:41:58,935
Speaker 6: somebody built it and they used twelve mill ply and

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01:41:59,055 --> 01:42:02,375
Speaker 6: they didn't put some joystangers on the and someone stood

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01:42:02,415 --> 01:42:03,295
Speaker 6: on it and fell through it.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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01:42:04,055 --> 01:42:09,255
Speaker 6: So it's that sort of protection that the Building Act

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01:42:09,495 --> 01:42:15,015
Speaker 6: is there to ensure. And when you look at that,

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01:42:15,135 --> 01:42:18,055
Speaker 6: that's structural. And I think I'll tell you what you

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01:42:18,215 --> 01:42:21,015
Speaker 6: can do is you can go to council and ask

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01:42:21,175 --> 01:42:24,415
Speaker 6: for an exemption and that way you've got something in paper,

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01:42:24,535 --> 01:42:27,215
Speaker 6: in which case you'd need to draw something up and go,

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01:42:27,695 --> 01:42:30,375
Speaker 6: this is the work that I'm going to do. I'm

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01:42:30,415 --> 01:42:32,975
Speaker 6: going to do it in accordance to the Building Code,

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01:42:33,255 --> 01:42:35,855
Speaker 6: so you know, I'll use this type of timber with

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01:42:35,975 --> 01:42:38,215
Speaker 6: this type of fastness. The work will be done by

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01:42:38,255 --> 01:42:42,815
Speaker 6: an LBP. And then if council agree that that's limited

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01:42:43,095 --> 01:42:45,335
Speaker 6: and there's very low risk and that you can have

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01:42:45,415 --> 01:42:48,375
Speaker 6: an exemption from a building consent, then at least you've

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01:42:48,375 --> 01:42:51,975
Speaker 6: got something on paper because inevitably people sell and then

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01:42:52,015 --> 01:42:53,815
Speaker 6: at that time you can say, here's the work that

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01:42:54,015 --> 01:42:56,855
Speaker 6: was done. I went to council, I got the exemption.

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01:42:57,255 --> 01:42:59,295
Speaker 6: Here's a record of the work that was done, and

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01:42:59,495 --> 01:43:01,815
Speaker 6: someone looking at it in the future would go, Okay,

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01:43:01,935 --> 01:43:05,015
Speaker 6: I know that that's done. Well. That would probably be

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01:43:05,175 --> 01:43:05,895
Speaker 6: my next approach.

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01:43:06,975 --> 01:43:08,575
Speaker 9: Excellent. Yeah, nice talking with you.

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01:43:08,855 --> 01:43:12,975
Speaker 6: Pleasure and you take care O will and in part

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01:43:13,015 --> 01:43:14,495
Speaker 6: I'm going to have lovely day because it's a little

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01:43:14,495 --> 01:43:16,055
Speaker 6: bit of rain and we needed a bit of rain.

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Speaker 6: And I know that that's a terrible thing to say

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01:43:17,975 --> 01:43:21,415
Speaker 6: on a Sunday, but hey, this is what it is. Oh,

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you would like to

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01:43:23,815 --> 01:43:25,855
Speaker 6: talk to rit and I know you do, so the

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Speaker 6: lines are open. Ridt will join us in just a moment.

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