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Speaker 3: Sunday edition of Weekend Sport on News talks 'b for

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Speaker 3: January twenty five. Happy fifty second birthday to one of

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Speaker 3: Andy McDonald. We're talking sport with you until three this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Eddie Jones leads us off today the former England and

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Speaker 3: two time Wallaby's right be coach, now in charge of

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Speaker 3: Japan for the second time. What has he made of

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Speaker 3: the upheaval and the all Blacks coaching setup? Eddie Jones

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Speaker 3: standing by the chat to us, Plenty of time for

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Speaker 3: After a catastrophic Ashes tour of Australia, doubts continue to

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Speaker 3: swirl about the future of former Black Cap skipper Brendan

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Speaker 3: McCallum as England cricket coach. How much heat is on

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Speaker 3: that after one the two Sam's battled it out again

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Speaker 3: as well to keep eyes on the Australian Tennis Open continues.

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Speaker 3: Among those on court in the afternoon session on day eight,

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Speaker 3: Us talks EDB ten days on. It's still the sports

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Speaker 3: story that everybody is talking about. The search for a

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Speaker 3: new All Blacks coach is underway, with New Zealand Rugby

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Speaker 3: parting ways with Scott Robertson after two years. How has

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Speaker 3: this development been received in elite rugby coaching circles. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's great pleasure to welcome into the show former England

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Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup next year, Eddie Jones. Eddie, thanks for

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Speaker 3: joining us on Weekend Sport. How big a surprise was

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Speaker 3: it to you to hear of Scott robertson sacking ten

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Speaker 5: Look, any case, two years in an international career to

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the record, they're seventy four percent. He wins

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Speaker 5: It has to be, mate, it has to be. And

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, if I'm really honest, I think, which

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Speaker 6: Well, I think, you know.

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Speaker 5: Since probably twenty nineteen, I think there's been a general

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Speaker 7: More power contest, and we've seen the game.

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Speaker 5: Evolved from having all out of play, you know, to

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Speaker 5: Oh look, yeah, the client's are interesting word, mate, you

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Speaker 5: know when you're winning it. They were winning at eighty

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Speaker 6: That's the fair sting.

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Speaker 7: And I think whenever you've had that clear period of dominance,

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Speaker 5: And sometimes the younger guys because the team's struggling a bit,

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Speaker 3: Interesting point. I know that's been talked about a lot,

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Speaker 3: You believe that's also a factor here historically anyway.

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Speaker 5: I think I think it never used to be a

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Speaker 8: Now I think for some kids maybe that's become as

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Speaker 9: If you look at Australia, I don't think Australia address

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Speaker 7: Is potentially facing that.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's dead, and I think it's it's

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Speaker 7: Mate.

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Speaker 3: Another subject you addressed on on Rugby Unity your podcast

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Speaker 5: Well, I see over the sea. Everyone's got performance directors

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Speaker 5: should be regularly evaluating the environment, are giving feedback to

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Speaker 5: you think he's the right person to coach the team, right,

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Speaker 10: A bad cag right, Very rare that happens.

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Speaker 9: So of course you've got to do it end the

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Speaker 5: But the valuation should be continuous all the time, and

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Speaker 5: it should be support given in the coach if there's

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Speaker 5: areas to address, like as Wayne Smith said, you know

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Speaker 5: who is I think you speak to anyone in world

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Speaker 5: most knowledgeable, sincere, generous person and the comments that he

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Speaker 5: made about about Scott Robinson were absolutely spot on. There

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Speaker 3: The phrase player pow has been thrown around a lot too, Eddie.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen an increase in the influence of senior

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Speaker 5: Now, I reckon it's lesh mate. I can remember I

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Speaker 5: got my first coaching job right on the back of

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Speaker 5: player power I've met. I can remember leaving Grigan, Lark

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I think there's always been player power and

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Speaker 5: I think player power is so important. What I don't like, mate,

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Speaker 5: is if it's done through a survey that is generally anonymous,

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Speaker 5: And I think all of those sort of things should

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Speaker 5: And I think the involvement of the players is massively

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Speaker 5: important in rugby because it's a players game rugby. You know,

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Speaker 5: so the players have got to run the game. So

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Speaker 5: I think it's really important that the players are involved

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Speaker 5: and heavily involved. But yeah, as I said, I don't

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Speaker 5: like this survey concituation.

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Speaker 3: You also made a comparison with Manchester United, who had

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Speaker 5: Well, I see, you know, no one's spoken much about

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Speaker 5: the effect of silverlight in this situation. I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: Silver Lake were involved in the decision, but the commercialization

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Speaker 5: And I saw it with Manchester United, but they signed

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Speaker 5: Ronaldo one week before the season, they'd already done their

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Speaker 5: pre season and then the cach had to put in

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Speaker 5: Now they're doing a signed because he was obviously going

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Speaker 5: and for a company that's that's now maybe more worried

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Speaker 11: Winning, that can become a factor.

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Speaker 5: And has that been looked into him in New Zealand

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Speaker 5: Rugby the effect of silver.

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Speaker 3: Are you interested in the All Blacks head coaching role?

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Speaker 5: We set our standards on beating New Zealand and you

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Speaker 3: Well, we've enjoyed this foreign coaches analysis. Anie, thanks so

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Speaker 9: Good any mate, cheers mate.

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Speaker 3: No cheers to you too. Any Anie Jones there, I'm

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Speaker 3: The fact that young men in our country and now

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Speaker 13: Well, I thought he summed it up beautifully. I remember

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Speaker 13: So what one wonders whether one's coaching strategy could be

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Speaker 13: I think, yes, well, I think the players, you know,

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Speaker 13: from my observation, I've never seen the players of lack

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Well, one just wonders, you know, with all the expertise

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Speaker 3: Good point, Peter, thanks for kicking us off, mate, Good

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Speaker 16: Good to hear again, Chris. Look, Eddie Jones as a

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Speaker 16: guy all New Zealanders in sport we'll always listen to

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Speaker 16: you've got to get the guy, You've got to get

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Speaker 15: That never happened.

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Speaker 16: They went against Mark Robinson's decision was to not go

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Speaker 16: All of those things ended up going against where we're

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Speaker 16: The secondary schools in particular, we've had two or three

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Speaker 15: We've been, we've been, we've been.

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Speaker 16: Eddie Jones brought up about New Zealand Warriors. Two years

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Speaker 3: It's a choice. That's that's a choice they dug, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's a personal choice.

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Speaker 16: Well, you no no, it's a point about what I'm

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Speaker 16: I understand, Chris. I'm simply saying he was in charge,

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Speaker 16: So you're going to get a guy, a no mark

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Speaker 3: Dougie, I have to move You made a lot of

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty John, Hello, Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Is it that is me? John? Hello? Yeah, I'm very good.

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Speaker 11: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 17: You know what the problem is with Scott Robinson?

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Speaker 3: You tell me John.

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Speaker 17: Ardie Survey why so, Well, he's he told them that

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Speaker 17: he wouldn't play for the All Blakes again if Scott

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Speaker 17: Robinson was the coach.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't know that, John. It's been reported that

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Speaker 3: that was a conversation. We don't know that to be true.

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Speaker 17: We don't know to be true. No, why don't you

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Speaker 17: bring him up and asking ask.

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Speaker 3: Gard Well, I think he's in Japan at the moment,

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Speaker 3: so he might not be Look, I'm sure that when

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Speaker 3: Ardie Savier comes back and does media again back here,

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Speaker 3: he'll be asked that question. Absolutely, yeah, and he wouldn't.

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Speaker 17: He wouldn't be a decent player, wouldn't be any as

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Speaker 17: near as good as Richie McCaw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure that that comparison's necessarily relevant, John,

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Speaker 3: I think you put anybody in that sentence and say

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Speaker 3: this guy isn't as good as Richie McCaw. I think

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Speaker 3: Ardie Savia is certainly one of the best players in

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Speaker 3: the world, and I think he's become unfairly a scapegoat

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Speaker 3: in all of this. He was asked, along with twenty

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Speaker 3: other players, for his honest feedback on what had happened

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Speaker 3: in the last calendar year as part of an end

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Speaker 3: of season review, and he gave those thoughts. Some of

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Speaker 3: those thoughts have been I guess you'd say, leaked out

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Speaker 3: into the media may be twisted to suit a certain narrative,

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Speaker 3: and people have said, Okay, you know, have have come

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Speaker 3: to the very simple conclusion as you have, John, that

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Speaker 3: Artie Save was saying, if you don't get rid of

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Speaker 3: the coach, I'm not going to play. I find it

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Speaker 3: very hard to believe that that is true. A guy

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Speaker 3: who's played over one hundred test matches for the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks deciding that he wouldn't want to play anymore because

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Speaker 3: of you know, he wasn't a big fan of the coach.

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Speaker 3: Artie Save has played for a lot of rugby teams

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure some coaches he's liked more than others.

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Speaker 3: But it seems to me the thing he likes most

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Speaker 3: of all is playing rugby, and most of all the

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Speaker 3: black fern on him. Thanks for your call, John, I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Hello Phil Blindy.

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Speaker 6: How are you good?

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Speaker 3: Things feel good?

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Speaker 18: I got about three points and then one little one

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Speaker 18: at the end on player's coaches. Sorry thing, but I'm

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Speaker 18: just going to say joke. He maybe Artie's having a

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Speaker 18: chat with Eddie Jones over there.

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Speaker 3: I think actually I think Eddie might be. I might

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Speaker 3: be in Sydney at the moment I hear that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's how we could get the time, We get the

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Speaker 3: time right. But yeah, I'm sure they've bumped into each other. Phil,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they've bumped into each other.

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Speaker 18: That was that was really interesting. I really enjoyed that. Actually,

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Speaker 18: yesterday when you said you were going to be talking

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Speaker 18: to him, I was looking forward to it today to

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Speaker 18: see what he had to say. And I agreed with

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Speaker 18: a lot of what he said. Done. This is the

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Speaker 18: sort of three points and then I'll get onto my

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Speaker 18: coaching thoughts. I thought great point that he said that

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Speaker 18: maybe at we haven't got the same player standard at

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Speaker 18: the moment as we had done in the past, but

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Speaker 18: it is developing and it will be there again. But

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Speaker 18: we just need that time again, you know, because you've

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Speaker 18: got guys like Faby and the big Locke who I think,

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Speaker 18: you know, he'll become a superstar for us, and other

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Speaker 18: players in there as well showing the same sort of

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Speaker 18: glimpse of the talent. So maybe it's just a time

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Speaker 18: thing to get those players to be as good as

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Speaker 18: the ones that we had in the past. So I

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Speaker 18: thought that was a good point and head and I

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Speaker 18: thought another fantastic point by him was really good. Point

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Speaker 18: was about the comments that Wayne Smith said and saying that, well, look,

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Speaker 18: if Raise is struggling, get someone there there to help

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Speaker 18: him rather than boot him out. Get someone in there

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Speaker 18: to help him as well, and get in the organ

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Speaker 18: And I thought it was a great point. The other

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Speaker 18: thing that I was gonna trying to think what was

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Speaker 18: the other thing I was going to say? It to

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Speaker 18: escape my mind at the moment. But maybe I'll talk

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Speaker 18: about the coach and I'll come coach and it'll come back.

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Speaker 18: I think I agreed with Eddie Jones saying I don't

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Speaker 18: think we need to look for an overseas coach because

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Speaker 18: I think we've got plenty of talent in New Zealand

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Speaker 18: or New Zealand coaches that can do it. You know,

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Speaker 18: I thinking that guys like Smith as well. You know

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Speaker 18: that people were talking about Dave Rennie. I'd like to

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Speaker 18: get Wayne Smith if he wanted to get him involved

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Speaker 18: again in the organization of it, if it's not coaching,

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Speaker 18: but has been involved in it. So what was I

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Speaker 18: trying to think about? Something else? I was going to

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Speaker 18: say too about damn it, that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, I feel I think you've I think you've made

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Speaker 3: a couple of couple of person and points and the

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Speaker 3: Wayne Smith One's interesting. I'm not sure whether you've picked

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Speaker 3: up on the news this morning that's been reported that

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Speaker 3: Sir Wayne Smith is leaving New Zealand Rugby. He's he's

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Speaker 3: been working or was appointed as a performance coach in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. That was a sort of a part

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Speaker 3: time role, working initially with the Black Ferns and then

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Speaker 3: also the All Blacks. He is often brought in. It

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Speaker 3: seems like a bit of a as needed kind of

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Speaker 3: role for Sir Wayne Smith. He's come in and he's

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Speaker 3: basically helped out where needed. It's almost like there's a

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Speaker 3: secret line to his house and you ring him up

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Speaker 3: when you need a little bit of outside guidance. But

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Speaker 3: that is going to come to an end and it's

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Speaker 3: got nothing to do. It's just that it's completely coincidental

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Speaker 3: with the with the departure of Scott robertson as All

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Speaker 3: Blacks head coach. Although Wayne Smith was, you know, in

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Speaker 3: a statement that he provided to media sad for Scott

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Speaker 3: roberts and blindsided a bit by the news of a sacking,

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Speaker 3: but this is thought to be entirely coincidental. He is

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Speaker 3: preparing to head overseas this year to a senior coaching

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Speaker 3: leadership role at a professional club that is still confidential

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Speaker 3: about where that will be. But yes, Sir Wayne Smith,

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Speaker 3: this is reported in the Herald this morning is leaving

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby for a new overseas role. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: your call, PHILP. Good as always, Roger High.

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Speaker 17: Oh hi Jason.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Look of all the things, all the theories that have

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Speaker 19: been put forward, there's one that hasn't been really thought through,

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Speaker 19: discussed much and to me, I think it's a major

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Speaker 19: one is that.

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Speaker 17: Herber the coach. What is or was Scott Robinson.

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Speaker 19: It's not a level playing for the South Africans. Test

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Speaker 19: players play overseas on that they must be available for

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Speaker 19: the South African Test team. We have Richie Mwonga and

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Speaker 19: who else overseas never plays for the aubracks when they're overseas,

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Speaker 19: so it's a totally un level playing field. Imagine if

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Speaker 19: Richie Moonger had been available developing your relationship with Cam

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Speaker 19: Roygard that we have been the best first five half

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Speaker 19: back combination in the world. The back line would have

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Speaker 19: benefited as a result and therefore the results would have

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Speaker 19: been coming through. Instead, Scott Robinson was left with experimenting

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Speaker 19: with players Damian McKenzie whoever, and it just didn't slow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, Roger, I know the point you're making about,

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Speaker 3: you know, overseas players and Richie as a great current

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Speaker 3: example of that. Yeah, I'm not sure you're experiencing that

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Speaker 3: much when you're using Damien McKenzie and and Bowden Barrett

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Speaker 3: too highly accomplished first fives. What it has done is

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Speaker 3: continued the conversation about whether whether the All Blacks coach

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Speaker 3: should be allowed to pick players from overseas. Scott Robertson

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Speaker 3: was clearly a big fan of that, largely because he

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Speaker 3: wanted to get Richie Muwonga Bay back after having such

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Speaker 3: a such a strong relationship with them at the Crusaders.

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Speaker 13: Everyone can give you why a cant why aren't we.

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Speaker 3: Well, the answer is around the answers around super rugby, Roger,

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Speaker 3: and fears of what that would do to our super

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Speaker 3: rugby competition if you let players go, because we can't

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Speaker 3: possibly compete with the big money available overseas. So the

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Speaker 3: dilution of our super rugby competition is the big fear

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Speaker 3: and the big reason why that policy is in place.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think we'll change.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well, we won't get number one on the world

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Speaker 17: under that circumstance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not the only one who has that view, Roger.

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Speaker 3: You're not the only one who has that view. It's

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Speaker 3: going to be a live conversation for a while. The

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Speaker 3: last I heard from Chris Lendra on the head of

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Speaker 3: the Professional Game was that they had no intent, you know,

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Speaker 3: no motivation at the moment to have a look at it.

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Speaker 3: They're going to keep things as they are, the status quo.

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Speaker 3: But never say never, Roger, never say never. Good to

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Speaker 3: hear from you, Richie Morden And of course coming back

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Speaker 3: next year, so he will be available this year. In fact,

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Speaker 3: he will be available for the All Blacks seventeen away

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Speaker 3: from one. We'll keep the lines open until one before

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Speaker 3: we move. There's a spear one there if you want

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Speaker 3: to jump aboard of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 20: Allan Hi, mate, Yeah, had doing good yep. David Kirk

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Speaker 20: seems to be the one that that's sack. Is he

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Speaker 20: going to put his job on the line if the

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Speaker 20: next coach doesn't win the World Cup. I mean, Razor

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Speaker 20: was never given the chance.

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Speaker 2: Block.

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Speaker 3: I know what you're driving at, Allen. Yeah, Look, he's

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Speaker 3: he's obviously going to going to going to find out

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Speaker 3: whether it was a good decision or not over the

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Speaker 3: next couple of years. I guess. Look, clearly, I think

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Speaker 3: he just made the decision based on the evidence of

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Speaker 3: now thought that the words he used and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: you've heard them, trajectory, we're not on track, decided that

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Speaker 3: they would pull the pin and go in a different

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Speaker 3: direction with the next World Cup looming. So yeah, well

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Speaker 3: he will he fall on his sort of that when

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Speaker 3: I doubt it. But but yeah, he's obviously made the

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Speaker 3: decision with the evidence available to Yeah.

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Speaker 20: True. And another thing, Tony Brown. I like Tony Brown.

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Speaker 20: There's people saying, you know, like he should come back

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Speaker 20: in to be if Jamie Joseph gets in, but you know,

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Speaker 20: like to come straight from South Africa straight into the

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Speaker 20: All Blacks, would that be? Would that be right? I mean,

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Speaker 20: apparently Rais has got a twelve month stand down period.

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Speaker 20: Why would people expect him to be able to come

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Speaker 20: straight from South Africa to coach against them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great point, Ellen, And you've probably heard that he

652
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Speaker 3: said he's not going to, But you're right, I mean

653
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Speaker 3: contract Yeah, contractually, you're right. Contractually, maybe he's not able

654
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Speaker 3: to because here they talk about that what do they

655
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Speaker 3: call it, ip intellectual property that he would bring.

656
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Speaker 20: Well, you wouldn't think he'd be able to, especially when

657
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Speaker 20: with the tour of South Africa coming up. I mean,

658
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Speaker 20: you know, being a coach coaching part of the All

659
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Speaker 20: Blacks basically straight away into his old team. I mean

660
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Speaker 20: that would be really bizarre.

661
00:36:02,467 --> 00:36:06,107
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would look I think the only way that

662
00:36:06,147 --> 00:36:08,267
Speaker 3: he would be able to as of South Africa. Let him.

663
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Speaker 3: We had a bit of a chat about this yesterday,

664
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Speaker 3: and Tony Brown wants to coach the All Blacks at

665
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Speaker 3: some stage. But I get the feeling him at the moment.

666
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Speaker 3: I think you'll probably stay where he is, Ellen and

667
00:36:16,227 --> 00:36:18,067
Speaker 3: try and get South Africa a third straight World Cup

668
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Speaker 3: and then see where the you know, see where the

669
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Speaker 3: dice fall after that.

670
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Speaker 20: Well, I think you've got a better chance of winning

671
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Speaker 20: the World Cup the South Africa than mate, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: I think you might be right, Ellen, I think you

673
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Speaker 3: might be right at the moment. Thanks for your call, Joe.

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Speaker 17: Hi.

675
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think when we need to go back to

676
00:36:36,387 --> 00:36:41,467
Speaker 15: a few years ago, we needs to high Joe.

677
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Speaker 3: I want to hear what you're saying, mate, But are

678
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Speaker 3: you You sound like you're in a bit of a

679
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Speaker 3: wind tunnel. I'm just going to see if Andy can

680
00:36:46,067 --> 00:36:48,027
Speaker 3: get you a slightly bitter place. We'll come back to

681
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Speaker 3: you because I want to hear your thoughts. Tony, Hello, Hi,

682
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Speaker 3: the left thing.

683
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Speaker 21: But I think basically the all blacks of stuff, this

684
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Speaker 21: is World Cup.

685
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Speaker 13: Why not we just.

686
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Speaker 21: A point an insurance team manager. But they're not going

687
00:37:06,827 --> 00:37:08,987
Speaker 21: to need to a point a coach as in the

688
00:37:09,387 --> 00:37:12,667
Speaker 21: present circumstances unless we know who the bloody CEO is.

689
00:37:13,067 --> 00:37:15,747
Speaker 21: That's that's the order of things. That's the way it

690
00:37:15,787 --> 00:37:20,067
Speaker 21: should be. My backgrounds in management, I mean you start

691
00:37:20,107 --> 00:37:22,227
Speaker 21: at the top with governors. The board needs to get

692
00:37:22,227 --> 00:37:22,667
Speaker 21: his eyes and.

693
00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:23,067
Speaker 17: To get it.

694
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Speaker 21: But I think they're doing quite a right with the

695
00:37:25,467 --> 00:37:28,827
Speaker 21: new chairman of the board and but they've got to

696
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Speaker 21: have a CEO then to appoint a team But I

697
00:37:32,227 --> 00:37:35,307
Speaker 21: think it should be a team manager. At this level

698
00:37:35,307 --> 00:37:37,947
Speaker 21: of their careers. They shouldn't need bloody coaching. They should

699
00:37:37,947 --> 00:37:39,067
Speaker 21: be coached already.

700
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony, I think they still need to have a coach.

701
00:37:42,947 --> 00:37:44,787
Speaker 3: This is the All Blacks. They still need a coach.

702
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Speaker 21: He's a forward coach and a backward coach and an

703
00:37:49,147 --> 00:37:52,787
Speaker 21: intermediate coach or as well as a head coach. They

704
00:37:52,907 --> 00:37:54,827
Speaker 21: need a manager to manage the coaches.

705
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I get what you say about the CEO,

706
00:37:58,707 --> 00:38:01,027
Speaker 3: and clearly the CEO and the and the All Blacks

707
00:38:01,027 --> 00:38:04,147
Speaker 3: head coach have to have a very good working relationship.

708
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Speaker 3: But look, I think one of the issues is that

709
00:38:06,067 --> 00:38:08,347
Speaker 3: they have and find the CEO. It's been a six

710
00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:11,987
Speaker 3: month search that hasn't hasn't hasn't actually been successful.

711
00:38:12,027 --> 00:38:17,147
Speaker 21: So yeah, probably because the tuble, because all's going to

712
00:38:17,227 --> 00:38:19,147
Speaker 21: check that job and then this they know who they're

713
00:38:19,147 --> 00:38:22,427
Speaker 21: going to get loans as the present system, the coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, checking an egg, isn't it, Tony? You know which one?

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Speaker 11: Do you?

716
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Speaker 3: All point? First? I think they'll go ahead with the

717
00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:28,747
Speaker 3: coach groupment. In fact, they have to, you know, someone's

718
00:38:28,747 --> 00:38:30,827
Speaker 3: going to take the All Blacks into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully they can find a CEO quickly as well. Thanks Tony,

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00:38:33,707 --> 00:38:35,147
Speaker 3: got your back, Joe. We can hit you much better.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's okay.

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Speaker 17: Point of yeah.

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Speaker 15: I think that the problem mat would be would been

724
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Speaker 15: picking players out of position, and look at work Patana

725
00:38:44,067 --> 00:38:46,187
Speaker 15: and Manger to go from one to sender and he

726
00:38:46,387 --> 00:38:49,707
Speaker 15: was one of the ones that worked. I think that

727
00:38:50,387 --> 00:38:52,747
Speaker 15: we should go there should be going back to picking players.

728
00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:54,667
Speaker 15: If you if you make your all backs at first

729
00:38:54,667 --> 00:38:56,587
Speaker 15: five eight, you make your backs for first five AGAs

730
00:38:56,587 --> 00:38:59,987
Speaker 15: we've got three or four first five eighths, and you're

731
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Speaker 15: the fourth first five eight, you miss out. You miss

732
00:39:01,867 --> 00:39:03,987
Speaker 15: out for this. We're trying to change them now. Don't

733
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Speaker 15: get me wrong. Jorgie Felts made a reasonable job at

734
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Speaker 15: secting five eight, but he got picked from your backs

735
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Speaker 15: a fullback. Damian mckingsey got picked at fullback. Will Jordan

736
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Speaker 15: got picked the fullback. We played them on the wings

737
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Speaker 15: because I think we're trying to we're trying to look

738
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Speaker 15: after all the players, because you're scared we're got to

739
00:39:20,027 --> 00:39:22,467
Speaker 15: go away. So they go, oh, what we'll do is

740
00:39:22,507 --> 00:39:26,467
Speaker 15: we'll well, we'll come back from them and of them. Yeah,

741
00:39:26,587 --> 00:39:29,507
Speaker 15: it's not a thing. It's not if you get picked Tiney.

742
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Speaker 15: If you and me are playing on the left wing

743
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Speaker 15: and you get picked ahead of me and I miss out.

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00:39:33,787 --> 00:39:36,307
Speaker 15: That's tough as far as I'm concerned. And if Damian

745
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Speaker 15: mckings and Missus ol both and Barness is out at

746
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Speaker 15: five age or which you were one on, Missus out

747
00:39:40,227 --> 00:39:43,067
Speaker 15: five eight, that's just hard ruck. That's what we need

748
00:39:43,067 --> 00:39:45,387
Speaker 15: to be going back to. And I think you know

749
00:39:46,187 --> 00:39:50,347
Speaker 15: that's the way to go. It's you pick your three,

750
00:39:50,427 --> 00:39:52,507
Speaker 15: your two players for you, your two wingers or your

751
00:39:52,827 --> 00:39:55,587
Speaker 15: two centers, and that's what you stick with. I think

752
00:39:55,627 --> 00:39:58,347
Speaker 15: we've been chopping and changing too much to accommodate those

753
00:39:59,267 --> 00:40:01,627
Speaker 15: and going, oh, because you've come in and played one

754
00:40:01,707 --> 00:40:04,867
Speaker 15: or two big tists against weak opposition, we think it's

755
00:40:05,307 --> 00:40:08,987
Speaker 15: at all work. It works for a certain player that

756
00:40:09,227 --> 00:40:12,667
Speaker 15: you you might be roucky. He can play through positions.

757
00:40:12,867 --> 00:40:16,507
Speaker 15: Now will Jordan's probably one we're very lucky with. I

758
00:40:16,547 --> 00:40:19,067
Speaker 15: don't think George. I think Jordan Barrett Barrett would be

759
00:40:19,067 --> 00:40:22,627
Speaker 15: better at Fulbert and that's why he was picked. And

760
00:40:22,627 --> 00:40:24,987
Speaker 15: and that's how I look at it. So so from

761
00:40:25,147 --> 00:40:28,027
Speaker 15: from now on, and you picked the guys you have

762
00:40:28,107 --> 00:40:30,747
Speaker 15: two in each in each position, or two or three,

763
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Speaker 15: whatever you want, and that's how you picked them. If

764
00:40:32,587 --> 00:40:35,027
Speaker 15: you picked three hookers, you picked three hooks. If you're

765
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Speaker 15: the fourth cooker and you're Tony Taylor and you miss out,

766
00:40:38,387 --> 00:40:40,187
Speaker 15: you miss that's so.

767
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Joey good points, well made good to get

768
00:40:43,227 --> 00:40:43,987
Speaker 3: you back on mate.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

770
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Speaker 3: Look, you look at at coaches and their different views.

771
00:40:48,827 --> 00:40:52,027
Speaker 3: You know, Razor always played Will Jordan at fullback at

772
00:40:52,027 --> 00:40:54,347
Speaker 3: the Crusaders, so he was always going to pick him

773
00:40:54,347 --> 00:40:55,787
Speaker 3: at full back in the All Blacks. I'm not sure

774
00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:59,187
Speaker 3: that that it was an overriding success, particularly under the

775
00:40:59,267 --> 00:41:03,187
Speaker 3: high ball. You know, one coach's you know, starting players,

776
00:41:03,227 --> 00:41:06,667
Speaker 3: another coaches fringe player. It's a it's a yeah. I

777
00:41:06,707 --> 00:41:09,107
Speaker 3: think just a fact of elite sport, Isn't it appreciate

778
00:41:09,107 --> 00:41:10,787
Speaker 3: you called Joey seven to one. US talks MB.

779
00:41:12,427 --> 00:41:13,307
Speaker 2: The Schoons from the.

780
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Speaker 1: Trag Fields and the Court on your Home of Sport

781
00:41:16,467 --> 00:41:18,627
Speaker 1: WEEKES Sport with Jason Vine.

782
00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:21,907
Speaker 3: US Talks MB from Tom on Tex. Loved Eddie's perspectives

783
00:41:21,987 --> 00:41:23,547
Speaker 3: priced it wasn't keen on the job. He made a

784
00:41:23,547 --> 00:41:26,507
Speaker 3: good point about these reviews being undertaken without anonymity. We'd

785
00:41:26,507 --> 00:41:28,867
Speaker 3: love to see the list of players interviewed as id

786
00:41:28,867 --> 00:41:31,827
Speaker 3: He said there was no process followed. New Zealand Rugby

787
00:41:31,867 --> 00:41:34,147
Speaker 3: interviewed some players then sacked. Rays are no pastoral care

788
00:41:34,307 --> 00:41:37,187
Speaker 3: or improvement plan. Bottom line is the All Blacks aren't

789
00:41:37,227 --> 00:41:38,627
Speaker 3: the team they were and no longer the best in

790
00:41:38,667 --> 00:41:40,907
Speaker 3: the world, no longer produced the best players, So how

791
00:41:40,907 --> 00:41:43,987
Speaker 3: can we expect perfection from them and from the coach?

792
00:41:44,147 --> 00:41:45,987
Speaker 3: Thank you for that time, Thank you for all your

793
00:41:45,987 --> 00:41:49,547
Speaker 3: cause and correspondence after one, How much heat is Brendan

794
00:41:49,707 --> 00:41:50,907
Speaker 3: McCullum under.

795
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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

796
00:41:55,707 --> 00:41:59,627
Speaker 1: and after fields, it's all on Weegens Forward with Jason

797
00:41:59,707 --> 00:42:01,867
Speaker 1: Vane on your home of sport.

798
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Speaker 3: Hi there, welcome into Weekend Sport on News Talk, said

799
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Speaker 3: d I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald here as well. We're

800
00:42:09,187 --> 00:42:12,707
Speaker 3: here till three. Almost forgot what time the show ended

801
00:42:12,747 --> 00:42:15,667
Speaker 3: there for a moment. We're here until three. Erica says,

802
00:42:15,747 --> 00:42:18,307
Speaker 3: how much longer are we going to talk about the

803
00:42:18,307 --> 00:42:21,227
Speaker 3: All Blacks coach thing? Well, probably until we get a

804
00:42:21,267 --> 00:42:23,187
Speaker 3: new one. Erica, We'll take a break from it now.

805
00:42:23,187 --> 00:42:25,507
Speaker 3: Though I appreciate your text appreciate all your texts, there's

806
00:42:25,507 --> 00:42:28,667
Speaker 3: still heaps of different layers to this coming through. It

807
00:42:28,707 --> 00:42:30,387
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to have reached anywhere near the end of

808
00:42:30,427 --> 00:42:32,507
Speaker 3: its life this conversation, but we will knock it on

809
00:42:32,547 --> 00:42:34,867
Speaker 3: the head for now. No doubt there'll be more to come.

810
00:42:34,987 --> 00:42:38,187
Speaker 3: Someone has asked what the time frame is. We don't know,

811
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Speaker 3: but we're told that tomorrow will get that information. Steve Lancaster,

812
00:42:42,787 --> 00:42:45,627
Speaker 3: who is interim CEO of New Zealand Rugby, is set

813
00:42:45,627 --> 00:42:51,267
Speaker 3: to outline the recruitment process, which presumably will include a

814
00:42:51,347 --> 00:42:56,707
Speaker 3: potential timeline as well. Speaking to Gregor pauland Tony Johnson yesterday,

815
00:42:56,747 --> 00:43:00,187
Speaker 3: really fascinating discussion on the show yesterday, and they were

816
00:43:00,227 --> 00:43:02,147
Speaker 3: both of the view that you know, we can't rush this,

817
00:43:02,227 --> 00:43:05,667
Speaker 3: even though time is kind of of the essence. Super

818
00:43:05,747 --> 00:43:09,387
Speaker 3: Rugby is about to get underway. There are test matches

819
00:43:09,427 --> 00:43:13,387
Speaker 3: in July. Both made the point that look, whoever gets

820
00:43:13,387 --> 00:43:15,387
Speaker 3: the job is probably going to be watching every moment

821
00:43:15,427 --> 00:43:18,387
Speaker 3: of Super Rugby anyway, regardless of whether they get the

822
00:43:18,467 --> 00:43:20,107
Speaker 3: job or not. That's just kind of the person we're after.

823
00:43:20,227 --> 00:43:22,947
Speaker 3: So they were both of the view that we need

824
00:43:22,987 --> 00:43:24,587
Speaker 3: to make sure we get the appointment right. And I

825
00:43:24,627 --> 00:43:27,747
Speaker 3: think that's obviously what you want in any recruitment process.

826
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Speaker 3: What do they say are no hire is better than

827
00:43:31,027 --> 00:43:33,427
Speaker 3: a bad higher I'm not saying Scott Robinson was a

828
00:43:33,467 --> 00:43:36,107
Speaker 3: bad high, not at all, but they'll take their time

829
00:43:36,107 --> 00:43:38,867
Speaker 3: over this one. We'll find out tomorrow. We're told about

830
00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:42,587
Speaker 3: the process. Coming up to see our James mcconey is

831
00:43:42,627 --> 00:43:46,507
Speaker 3: always on a Sunday with his irreverent look at the

832
00:43:46,627 --> 00:43:48,587
Speaker 3: sporting issues of the day. We'll get your live to

833
00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:52,707
Speaker 3: Melbourne where Day eight of the Australian Tennis Open is

834
00:43:52,787 --> 00:43:57,347
Speaker 3: about to get underway. Dave Worsley is there. He'll break

835
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Speaker 3: down what's happened over the last twenty four hours or

836
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Speaker 3: someone and look ahead to some pretty intriguing matchups on

837
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Speaker 3: day eight, both in the afternoon session and to as well.

838
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Speaker 3: And very shortly we're off to the UK where another coach,

839
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Speaker 3: another key WE coach, is coming under pressure. Brandon McCullum

840
00:44:18,467 --> 00:44:23,547
Speaker 3: after a very very ordinary Ashes series for England is

841
00:44:23,587 --> 00:44:25,267
Speaker 3: starting to get the heat put on them. But just

842
00:44:25,307 --> 00:44:27,307
Speaker 3: how much we'll find out at a moment updating you

843
00:44:27,347 --> 00:44:30,947
Speaker 3: on some live sport very quickly from christ Church where

844
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Speaker 3: it's the penultimate day of Super Smash round. Robin Catergory

845
00:44:36,947 --> 00:44:40,547
Speaker 3: Missouri Magicians up against the Northern Brave Women in the

846
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Speaker 3: early game. This has been reduced to eighteen overs a

847
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Speaker 3: side because of some early rain. They're out there now though,

848
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Speaker 3: and the Brave have started very well thirty without loss

849
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Speaker 3: in the third over, thirty without loss. Just what can

850
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Speaker 3: and Tash Wakelan out there getting the northern side, the

851
00:44:59,747 --> 00:45:03,027
Speaker 3: Brave off to a good start. Oh, eight hundred and

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00:45:03,027 --> 00:45:05,587
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is our number as always, nine two

853
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Speaker 3: nine two if you would prefer to correspond by text.

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00:45:10,787 --> 00:45:15,547
Speaker 3: After a less than ideal Ash's tour of Australia, conjecture

855
00:45:15,627 --> 00:45:19,067
Speaker 3: continues to swirl about the future of Brendan McCullum as

856
00:45:19,147 --> 00:45:27,427
Speaker 3: England cricket coach. A win for Australia, a remarkable win, a.

857
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Speaker 22: Memorable win, perhaps a famous win, and the pack of

858
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Speaker 22: Mitchell Stark setting it up with ten wickets and a

859
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Speaker 22: master class. A counter attack from Tavias Head is struck

860
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Speaker 22: like a lightning vault.

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Speaker 23: Australia draws first flight.

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Speaker 3: They go one Miller, yeah, and for one, of course,

863
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Speaker 3: the final scorer in the five match Ash's series. Couple

864
00:45:48,667 --> 00:45:51,467
Speaker 3: of those Test matches finishing well inside the allotted time.

865
00:45:51,947 --> 00:45:55,347
Speaker 3: Brendan mullum for New Zealand Skipper, of course, is contracted

866
00:45:55,427 --> 00:45:58,507
Speaker 3: until the end of the twenty twenty seven fifty over

867
00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:02,547
Speaker 3: World Cup, but recent results have thrown his future into doubt.

868
00:46:02,627 --> 00:46:06,627
Speaker 3: So just how much heat is on Brendan McCullum to

869
00:46:06,667 --> 00:46:10,547
Speaker 3: find Outlets bring in Talk Sport Cricket editor and presenter

870
00:46:10,627 --> 00:46:14,867
Speaker 3: of the excellent Following on Cricket podcast, John Norman. John,

871
00:46:14,987 --> 00:46:17,187
Speaker 3: thanks for chatting to us about this. What the benefits

872
00:46:18,107 --> 00:46:20,107
Speaker 3: of a bit of hind sight in some distance? What

873
00:46:20,227 --> 00:46:23,947
Speaker 3: is the overall feeling among the England cricketing public after

874
00:46:23,987 --> 00:46:26,107
Speaker 3: the recent eshes in Australia.

875
00:46:27,587 --> 00:46:30,667
Speaker 24: Well, it's an interesting question and really still yet to

876
00:46:30,707 --> 00:46:36,387
Speaker 24: be definitively answered. I've never experienced or encountered or you know,

877
00:46:37,147 --> 00:46:41,867
Speaker 24: essentially heard as much anger as what came out of

878
00:46:41,907 --> 00:46:46,347
Speaker 24: the traditional England cricket fan base. Is what occurred after

879
00:46:46,427 --> 00:46:51,707
Speaker 24: that two day Test defeat at Perth, because most observers

880
00:46:52,107 --> 00:46:55,627
Speaker 24: saw that for what it was, it was an golden opportunity,

881
00:46:55,667 --> 00:46:58,227
Speaker 24: a once in a lifetime opportunity, certainly a once in

882
00:46:58,267 --> 00:47:03,187
Speaker 24: a career opportunity for England to win a live ashes

883
00:47:03,227 --> 00:47:07,947
Speaker 24: Test in Australia, put Australia on the back foot and essentially,

884
00:47:08,267 --> 00:47:11,947
Speaker 24: you know, be in control of the narrative. Of the

885
00:47:11,947 --> 00:47:16,507
Speaker 24: pressure and essentially be on the front foot in Australia.

886
00:47:17,427 --> 00:47:20,867
Speaker 24: The way that they essentially shot themselves in both feet

887
00:47:21,147 --> 00:47:23,027
Speaker 24: with bat and then with ball and in the field,

888
00:47:23,707 --> 00:47:24,587
Speaker 24: you know, was sickening.

889
00:47:24,827 --> 00:47:26,107
Speaker 2: To go from a position.

890
00:47:25,787 --> 00:47:30,467
Speaker 24: Where essentially they were heavy favorites after fourth sessions and

891
00:47:30,507 --> 00:47:33,307
Speaker 24: to have lost the Test match after six is almost

892
00:47:33,387 --> 00:47:33,907
Speaker 24: unheard of.

893
00:47:34,747 --> 00:47:37,027
Speaker 23: So that's where we were.

894
00:47:37,387 --> 00:47:40,747
Speaker 24: Did things get any better from that point onwards? No,

895
00:47:40,867 --> 00:47:44,427
Speaker 24: not really. You know, there's no disgrace of losing a

896
00:47:44,467 --> 00:47:48,787
Speaker 24: pinkball Test that the gap against Australia and England did

897
00:47:48,867 --> 00:47:52,427
Speaker 24: exactly that, but then to go on and continually make

898
00:47:52,507 --> 00:47:55,427
Speaker 24: mistakes in all three facets of the game, and you

899
00:47:55,467 --> 00:47:57,947
Speaker 24: could throw the fourth batset in captain seeing coaching selection

900
00:47:58,067 --> 00:48:02,547
Speaker 24: in there as well. It's not quite unforgivable because England

901
00:48:02,547 --> 00:48:07,427
Speaker 24: teams don't win in Australia. But essentially they got it wrong.

902
00:48:07,667 --> 00:48:10,387
Speaker 24: They got it wrong on the field, which you can

903
00:48:10,787 --> 00:48:13,387
Speaker 24: just about accept, but they also got it wrong off

904
00:48:13,387 --> 00:48:16,347
Speaker 24: the field, and that's where it's slightly more difficult to

905
00:48:16,427 --> 00:48:21,787
Speaker 24: accept the mistakes that have been made. So Britta McCullum

906
00:48:22,147 --> 00:48:24,027
Speaker 24: is looking like he could well be the full guy,

907
00:48:24,747 --> 00:48:26,707
Speaker 24: and if not, for the fact that he signed this

908
00:48:26,787 --> 00:48:29,467
Speaker 24: deal which takes him up to twenty twenty seven, as

909
00:48:29,507 --> 00:48:32,547
Speaker 24: you say, which incorporated both red ball and white ball

910
00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:37,627
Speaker 24: and pinball cricket, then maybe, just maybe, especially when you

911
00:48:37,827 --> 00:48:40,387
Speaker 24: throw in the close proximity between the end of the

912
00:48:40,427 --> 00:48:42,107
Speaker 24: Ashes and the start of the TEA twenty World Cup,

913
00:48:42,467 --> 00:48:45,507
Speaker 24: maybe he'd already be gone by now. So there is

914
00:48:45,547 --> 00:48:48,267
Speaker 24: a lot of pressure on the coach, fairly or unfairly.

915
00:48:48,627 --> 00:48:52,627
Speaker 24: That's where the sites have been set alongside Rob Key of.

916
00:48:52,547 --> 00:48:54,427
Speaker 6: Course, who hired.

917
00:48:54,147 --> 00:48:59,587
Speaker 24: Him, and the feeling is that unless England performed very

918
00:48:59,667 --> 00:49:02,867
Speaker 24: very well at the T twenty World Cup, then his

919
00:49:02,947 --> 00:49:07,827
Speaker 24: position will continue to be under scrutiny.

920
00:49:06,427 --> 00:49:08,507
Speaker 3: All records since he was given that job or all

921
00:49:08,507 --> 00:49:10,547
Speaker 3: the jobs about a year ago. Isn't great as an

922
00:49:10,547 --> 00:49:14,027
Speaker 3: England crashed out of the fifty over Champions Trophy without

923
00:49:14,027 --> 00:49:16,067
Speaker 3: winning a game the T twenty World Cup though T

924
00:49:16,067 --> 00:49:19,667
Speaker 3: twenty is probably England's best format at the moment, So

925
00:49:20,067 --> 00:49:22,907
Speaker 3: I mean you've kind of outlined it. How vital is

926
00:49:23,507 --> 00:49:27,267
Speaker 3: a good showing in India next month for Brendan McCallum's future.

927
00:49:28,947 --> 00:49:32,307
Speaker 24: I think it's very very important England have actually been

928
00:49:32,747 --> 00:49:36,267
Speaker 24: given a huge helping hand today. By the way, news

929
00:49:36,267 --> 00:49:38,427
Speaker 24: that Bangladesh will not play in the T twenty World

930
00:49:38,467 --> 00:49:42,907
Speaker 24: Cup means that England should almost certainly qualify past the

931
00:49:42,907 --> 00:49:45,427
Speaker 24: group stages. They were in a position where, you know,

932
00:49:45,467 --> 00:49:48,747
Speaker 24: if they'd lost to Bangladesh or the West Indies, their

933
00:49:48,747 --> 00:49:51,787
Speaker 24: net run rate could have come in to play and

934
00:49:51,827 --> 00:49:53,227
Speaker 24: you know, and it's a bit of a lossary from

935
00:49:53,227 --> 00:49:55,747
Speaker 24: there and then so they'll be breathing a sigh of

936
00:49:55,787 --> 00:49:59,827
Speaker 24: release there. They just have to perform well. You know,

937
00:50:00,187 --> 00:50:03,907
Speaker 24: they could win it ugly fight. Then you suffice if

938
00:50:03,907 --> 00:50:06,027
Speaker 24: they play well and lose or fall at the final

939
00:50:06,067 --> 00:50:09,347
Speaker 24: herd or to a much stronger Indian team, you know,

940
00:50:09,627 --> 00:50:14,267
Speaker 24: or you know, a strong and very confident Australian team

941
00:50:14,427 --> 00:50:16,827
Speaker 24: even there I say, a South Africa who've got a

942
00:50:16,867 --> 00:50:20,227
Speaker 24: fearsome side themselves. If they were to do that, then

943
00:50:20,387 --> 00:50:22,467
Speaker 24: you know, then may be the decision will be made

944
00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:26,347
Speaker 24: to keep him where he is. But if England were

945
00:50:26,387 --> 00:50:28,707
Speaker 24: to struggle in that series, it would just give more

946
00:50:28,707 --> 00:50:33,507
Speaker 24: ammunition basically to those who want to see change. I

947
00:50:33,507 --> 00:50:35,907
Speaker 24: don't think it's just about the results. So I think

948
00:50:35,947 --> 00:50:41,027
Speaker 24: it's about will Brendan McCullum accept change. No one's expecting

949
00:50:41,067 --> 00:50:44,347
Speaker 24: him to suddenly, you know, adopt a school teacher kind

950
00:50:44,387 --> 00:50:47,907
Speaker 24: of approach to coaching. And indeed there's been some changes

951
00:50:47,907 --> 00:50:51,267
Speaker 24: already with the announcement of a full time bowling coach,

952
00:50:51,307 --> 00:50:54,147
Speaker 24: Troy Cooley's coming back into the fold. There's a fielding

953
00:50:54,187 --> 00:50:55,507
Speaker 24: coacher out in Sri Lanka.

954
00:50:55,587 --> 00:50:56,307
Speaker 3: So that's two.

955
00:50:56,267 --> 00:51:00,547
Speaker 24: Changes that have been enforced and accept it, you imagine, right,

956
00:51:01,507 --> 00:51:04,387
Speaker 24: But came Brendon Colum Becolum really changed the way he

957
00:51:04,427 --> 00:51:07,827
Speaker 24: goes about coaching this England team. So there's success on

958
00:51:07,867 --> 00:51:12,747
Speaker 24: the field for sure, but there's also an understanding that

959
00:51:12,987 --> 00:51:15,907
Speaker 24: things do need to change above the eleven that takeing

960
00:51:16,187 --> 00:51:18,027
Speaker 24: their place down of the field. And it's just a

961
00:51:18,107 --> 00:51:21,427
Speaker 24: question of whether Brendan McCullum can mirror up an upturn

962
00:51:21,587 --> 00:51:25,427
Speaker 24: in fortunes on the field and also bring through maybe

963
00:51:25,667 --> 00:51:31,947
Speaker 24: a more professional way of running this team. But both

964
00:51:31,947 --> 00:51:34,707
Speaker 24: of the both of those things have got huge question

965
00:51:34,747 --> 00:51:38,147
Speaker 24: marks attached to them in regard to whether they were

966
00:51:38,187 --> 00:51:39,027
Speaker 24: actually or not.

967
00:51:39,627 --> 00:51:42,667
Speaker 3: And I guess that's the big question, right John, you know,

968
00:51:42,787 --> 00:51:46,547
Speaker 3: if he stays, how much pressure will come on him

969
00:51:46,827 --> 00:51:50,507
Speaker 3: or even when they make the decision to retain him

970
00:51:50,587 --> 00:51:53,267
Speaker 3: or not, how much will that be dependent on his

971
00:51:53,507 --> 00:51:56,707
Speaker 3: willingness to change that approach you just say, the cavalier

972
00:51:56,747 --> 00:52:00,467
Speaker 3: approach on the field to test cricket and the rather

973
00:52:00,547 --> 00:52:04,067
Speaker 3: relaxed approach often how much pressure will Bringha McCullum come

974
00:52:04,147 --> 00:52:08,867
Speaker 3: under to effect change in those areas.

975
00:52:10,387 --> 00:52:10,547
Speaker 5: Well.

976
00:52:10,587 --> 00:52:11,107
Speaker 2: We can't have.

977
00:52:11,067 --> 00:52:15,107
Speaker 24: Any more Harrybrook bouncer situations that came out of New Zealand, right,

978
00:52:15,187 --> 00:52:18,747
Speaker 24: I mean, that kind of story can't happen anymore. Indeed,

979
00:52:19,187 --> 00:52:22,107
Speaker 24: you know England go to South Africa at the end

980
00:52:22,107 --> 00:52:24,187
Speaker 24: of the year they play hosts in New Zealand, as

981
00:52:24,227 --> 00:52:26,467
Speaker 24: I'm sure you're aware, and Pakistan. It's a lot of

982
00:52:26,507 --> 00:52:28,827
Speaker 24: cricket to be played and there's a lot of mistakes

983
00:52:28,827 --> 00:52:31,267
Speaker 24: that could be made right and they can't afford to

984
00:52:31,267 --> 00:52:33,587
Speaker 24: slip up because if there are any more slip ups

985
00:52:33,587 --> 00:52:37,867
Speaker 24: like that, it just points to a culture problem as

986
00:52:37,947 --> 00:52:41,587
Speaker 24: much as anything else. So there's so many variables in there,

987
00:52:42,027 --> 00:52:44,507
Speaker 24: you know, there's so many things that could essentially go wrong,

988
00:52:45,787 --> 00:52:49,467
Speaker 24: from Brenda McCullum's willingness to change to results, from the

989
00:52:49,467 --> 00:52:52,787
Speaker 24: pitch changing for the better and for the players all

990
00:52:52,827 --> 00:52:56,187
Speaker 24: behaving themselves. I'll throw one else in there as well,

991
00:52:56,827 --> 00:53:00,227
Speaker 24: The relationship between Ben Stokes and Brenda McCullum has been

992
00:53:00,267 --> 00:53:04,267
Speaker 24: absolutely water tight, but they joined forces and you could

993
00:53:04,267 --> 00:53:06,227
Speaker 24: throw Rob Key in there as well as a threesome.

994
00:53:06,787 --> 00:53:07,347
Speaker 17: If there are.

995
00:53:07,267 --> 00:53:12,027
Speaker 24: Any cracks between Stokes and McCullum, that will be a

996
00:53:12,107 --> 00:53:17,427
Speaker 24: huge problem because Stokes isn't going anywhere okay. And if

997
00:53:17,427 --> 00:53:21,027
Speaker 24: Stokes suddenly feels like he can continue England without McCullum,

998
00:53:21,307 --> 00:53:24,467
Speaker 24: either unofficially or officially, then that was spelled big problem

999
00:53:24,627 --> 00:53:28,747
Speaker 24: for McCullum because as things stand, the ECB may be

1000
00:53:30,067 --> 00:53:33,347
Speaker 24: willing or keen to affect change at the top, but

1001
00:53:33,387 --> 00:53:34,907
Speaker 24: if they're going to take their captain out at the

1002
00:53:34,947 --> 00:53:38,267
Speaker 24: same point, if their relationship is still as it was,

1003
00:53:38,667 --> 00:53:40,347
Speaker 24: they're not going to do anything. They're not going to

1004
00:53:40,387 --> 00:53:43,787
Speaker 24: move that dial. So again it's about Stokes as well.

1005
00:53:43,867 --> 00:53:47,747
Speaker 24: There's so many elements to all this it makes for

1006
00:53:47,827 --> 00:53:51,667
Speaker 24: fascinating viewing. One thing I will say is though winning

1007
00:53:51,707 --> 00:53:54,907
Speaker 24: covers up a myriad of problems and a myriad of issues.

1008
00:53:55,227 --> 00:53:58,547
Speaker 24: England have just won, okay, They've just been Sri Lanka.

1009
00:53:58,707 --> 00:54:01,907
Speaker 24: Normally that wouldn't really matter too much, but it matters

1010
00:54:01,947 --> 00:54:05,867
Speaker 24: a huge deal. Can they continue winning if they win

1011
00:54:05,947 --> 00:54:08,587
Speaker 24: this year. If they perform well in the T twenty

1012
00:54:08,627 --> 00:54:10,587
Speaker 24: Series next week and then go and make a good

1013
00:54:10,987 --> 00:54:13,747
Speaker 24: fist of things in the T twenty World Cup, that

1014
00:54:13,907 --> 00:54:17,267
Speaker 24: will reduce the pressure on Brendan McCullum. He can then

1015
00:54:17,307 --> 00:54:20,267
Speaker 24: go away and he, Stokes and Key can work out

1016
00:54:20,307 --> 00:54:22,507
Speaker 24: where it went wrong, work out how they fix it.

1017
00:54:22,667 --> 00:54:25,027
Speaker 24: They come back and then they take on New Zealand

1018
00:54:25,067 --> 00:54:27,067
Speaker 24: in June. If they get off to a good start

1019
00:54:28,347 --> 00:54:32,347
Speaker 24: and beat New Zealand, then I think the feeling will

1020
00:54:32,387 --> 00:54:35,187
Speaker 24: be at the ECB. Well, let's let this play out

1021
00:54:35,227 --> 00:54:37,987
Speaker 24: till twenty twenty seven next year. It's only twelve months away,

1022
00:54:38,267 --> 00:54:42,347
Speaker 24: and then we'll make a change. And in fairness to Brendan,

1023
00:54:42,347 --> 00:54:44,187
Speaker 24: he's getting a lot of stick. But let's not forget

1024
00:54:44,627 --> 00:54:47,067
Speaker 24: Inglid were fantastic for a good eighteen months under he

1025
00:54:47,187 --> 00:54:50,107
Speaker 24: and Stokes. You know, they changed everything about the cricket

1026
00:54:50,347 --> 00:54:51,427
Speaker 24: that was being played.

1027
00:54:51,187 --> 00:54:51,787
Speaker 16: The results.

1028
00:54:51,947 --> 00:54:54,067
Speaker 24: There was an uptick in fortunes and they brought a

1029
00:54:54,107 --> 00:54:56,467
Speaker 24: lot of new fans to test cricket. That's what it's

1030
00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:59,987
Speaker 24: all about. So you know, we can't have revisionist history here.

1031
00:55:00,187 --> 00:55:02,387
Speaker 24: They've done a lot of good things. It's gone bad,

1032
00:55:02,867 --> 00:55:05,467
Speaker 24: but you got the feeling that if he wants to

1033
00:55:05,907 --> 00:55:09,667
Speaker 24: and to you should be able to affect the change

1034
00:55:09,867 --> 00:55:11,787
Speaker 24: and try and right the wrongs of the last twelve

1035
00:55:11,867 --> 00:55:12,987
Speaker 24: months to eighteen months.

1036
00:55:13,467 --> 00:55:17,827
Speaker 3: Brilliant summary of a very intriguing little chapter in English. Cricket.

1037
00:55:17,907 --> 00:55:19,987
Speaker 3: John always great to chat mate, Thanks for joining us

1038
00:55:20,027 --> 00:55:21,707
Speaker 3: across New Zealand. Really appreciate it.

1039
00:55:22,627 --> 00:55:25,027
Speaker 24: Oh absolutely, Jason. It's always great to chat to you

1040
00:55:25,147 --> 00:55:27,027
Speaker 24: and listen to you as well because we do get

1041
00:55:27,067 --> 00:55:29,747
Speaker 24: the A League over here, so I'm always interested to

1042
00:55:29,787 --> 00:55:33,547
Speaker 24: hear a commentary of Wellington and Auckland and also just

1043
00:55:33,587 --> 00:55:36,827
Speaker 24: to send my best wishes to everyone affected by the

1044
00:55:36,907 --> 00:55:39,387
Speaker 24: horrendous scenes that we saw from Mount Montganui in the

1045
00:55:39,467 --> 00:55:41,627
Speaker 24: last seven days. It's a place that I've been on

1046
00:55:41,707 --> 00:55:44,987
Speaker 24: regular occasion thanks to the cricket and my New Zealand family.

1047
00:55:45,467 --> 00:55:49,187
Speaker 24: We were there just thirteen months ago and walked around

1048
00:55:49,227 --> 00:55:51,947
Speaker 24: that track as well. So yeah, it's his heartbreaking to

1049
00:55:51,947 --> 00:55:54,387
Speaker 24: see what's been going on. So thoughts with any of

1050
00:55:54,387 --> 00:55:55,467
Speaker 24: you listeners that are affected.

1051
00:55:55,667 --> 00:55:58,867
Speaker 3: Yeah, good man, John, great to every on the radio.

1052
00:55:58,987 --> 00:56:01,387
Speaker 3: Was always mate, be safe. That's John Norman out of

1053
00:56:01,427 --> 00:56:04,427
Speaker 3: talkSPORT in the UK, always with his finger on the

1054
00:56:04,427 --> 00:56:08,027
Speaker 3: pulse of cricketing matters and and all English sporting matters.

1055
00:56:08,307 --> 00:56:09,747
Speaker 3: So you might not have caught up with that news.

1056
00:56:09,787 --> 00:56:11,947
Speaker 3: I'm sure you have it. Bangladesh won't play in the

1057
00:56:11,947 --> 00:56:14,427
Speaker 3: T twenty Cricket World Cup. They didn't want to go

1058
00:56:14,467 --> 00:56:17,307
Speaker 3: to India to play their matches for obviously political reasons,

1059
00:56:17,827 --> 00:56:22,707
Speaker 3: so they're out. They have been replaced by Scotland in

1060
00:56:22,787 --> 00:56:26,987
Speaker 3: the T twenty Cricket World Cup. So England, as John mentioned, now,

1061
00:56:27,027 --> 00:56:30,587
Speaker 3: the beneficiaries of that are the way the format of

1062
00:56:30,667 --> 00:56:34,307
Speaker 3: the tournament works is there are four groups of five.

1063
00:56:34,667 --> 00:56:38,627
Speaker 3: You play everybody in your group, and then the top

1064
00:56:38,667 --> 00:56:40,867
Speaker 3: two in each group go through to the super eights

1065
00:56:41,227 --> 00:56:43,027
Speaker 3: and then there's a bit of a mix and match

1066
00:56:43,067 --> 00:56:44,467
Speaker 3: and you play the teams you haven't played all that

1067
00:56:44,507 --> 00:56:46,627
Speaker 3: sort of thing. Anyway, you're getting out of your groups

1068
00:56:46,667 --> 00:56:48,467
Speaker 3: the first thing. So you got to finish in the

1069
00:56:48,467 --> 00:56:51,347
Speaker 3: top two. While Bangladesh was there, they would have been

1070
00:56:51,667 --> 00:56:54,427
Speaker 3: the stiffest opposition for England, along with the West Indies

1071
00:56:54,507 --> 00:56:57,147
Speaker 3: in their group, which is Group C. Now in Group C,

1072
00:56:57,347 --> 00:57:02,107
Speaker 3: England have to play the West Indies, Nepal, Scotland and Italy.

1073
00:57:03,827 --> 00:57:07,187
Speaker 3: Look if they can't get out of that group, or

1074
00:57:07,227 --> 00:57:09,707
Speaker 3: maybe Brendan mcallums should go if they can't get out

1075
00:57:09,707 --> 00:57:15,667
Speaker 3: of that group. Just on Brandon McCallum.

1076
00:57:14,507 --> 00:57:14,907
Speaker 23: I don't know.

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00:57:14,987 --> 00:57:17,907
Speaker 3: I just maybe it's just because I mean the English

1078
00:57:18,347 --> 00:57:21,587
Speaker 3: you know, the English media alike, they just seize upon anything.

1079
00:57:21,747 --> 00:57:23,987
Speaker 3: And yes, there are mistakes made on that Ashes tour

1080
00:57:24,307 --> 00:57:27,267
Speaker 3: on and off the field, but Brenda McCullum has been

1081
00:57:28,067 --> 00:57:31,747
Speaker 3: unashamedly unapologetic about the fact that this is the way

1082
00:57:31,787 --> 00:57:33,987
Speaker 3: we're going to play the test game. Yes, we might

1083
00:57:34,027 --> 00:57:36,547
Speaker 3: need to tweak it on occasion. I think that's probably pragmatic.

1084
00:57:37,947 --> 00:57:41,267
Speaker 3: But look, I think Rob Walter's coming and done a really,

1085
00:57:41,307 --> 00:57:44,587
Speaker 3: really good job for New Zealand. But when Gary Stead's

1086
00:57:44,907 --> 00:57:49,107
Speaker 3: resignation became apparent, there was a huge amount of not

1087
00:57:49,227 --> 00:57:52,307
Speaker 3: necessarily clamor, but a lot of people would have taken

1088
00:57:52,347 --> 00:57:54,587
Speaker 3: Brenda mcallum as the new black Caps coach. And who knows,

1089
00:57:54,787 --> 00:57:56,667
Speaker 3: in the future, that might be something that he does

1090
00:57:58,587 --> 00:58:02,147
Speaker 3: if we end up splitting our coaching responsibilities, maybe he

1091
00:58:02,187 --> 00:58:03,987
Speaker 3: could do the white ball stuff. I don't know, but

1092
00:58:04,067 --> 00:58:07,027
Speaker 3: I still think Brenda McCallum would be would be a

1093
00:58:07,147 --> 00:58:10,907
Speaker 3: really good black Caps coach. I think that you know,

1094
00:58:11,227 --> 00:58:14,187
Speaker 3: he just yes, this hasn't gone right for him, and

1095
00:58:15,347 --> 00:58:18,827
Speaker 3: I think the fact that he's probably very laid back,

1096
00:58:18,907 --> 00:58:20,947
Speaker 3: it looks as though he doesn't really care him too

1097
00:58:21,027 --> 00:58:25,067
Speaker 3: much about it. But the way that he revolutionized the

1098
00:58:25,107 --> 00:58:28,267
Speaker 3: Test game with England and brought Test cricket, not just

1099
00:58:28,307 --> 00:58:33,107
Speaker 3: the England team, but Test cricket into the spotlight again

1100
00:58:33,147 --> 00:58:35,347
Speaker 3: when it was in a bit of a bit of

1101
00:58:35,347 --> 00:58:38,987
Speaker 3: a state of the doldrums. If we're honest, he reinvigorated

1102
00:58:39,027 --> 00:58:42,387
Speaker 3: Test cricket through his England side. It was always going

1103
00:58:42,467 --> 00:58:44,587
Speaker 3: to you know, always going to come a cropper at

1104
00:58:44,587 --> 00:58:46,547
Speaker 3: some stage. It was just such a shame that it

1105
00:58:46,587 --> 00:58:50,507
Speaker 3: was in the high profile firestorm of the Ashes in Australia.

1106
00:58:51,307 --> 00:58:55,507
Speaker 3: But if Brenda McCallum becomes available to coach New Zealand

1107
00:58:55,507 --> 00:58:58,267
Speaker 3: in some way, shape or form in the future, and

1108
00:58:58,307 --> 00:59:00,827
Speaker 3: I for one would welcome that, absolutely welcome it. One

1109
00:59:00,907 --> 00:59:04,387
Speaker 3: twenty four is the time Elfie says Bindy of England

1110
00:59:04,387 --> 00:59:06,667
Speaker 3: followed the New Zealand rugby sacking policy bread and would

1111
00:59:06,667 --> 00:59:10,467
Speaker 3: be gone already. Ironic, Yeah, healthy, it is, it is ironic.

1112
00:59:11,347 --> 00:59:12,187
Speaker 6: Look, he.

1113
00:59:13,867 --> 00:59:16,147
Speaker 3: Will not obviously he's there for the Tea twenty World Cup.

1114
00:59:17,747 --> 00:59:21,387
Speaker 3: If they were to I don't know. I mean, like

1115
00:59:21,427 --> 00:59:24,467
Speaker 3: I say, they'll get out of that group. They need

1116
00:59:24,507 --> 00:59:27,987
Speaker 3: to do well. In the eyes of some English cricket observers,

1117
00:59:28,027 --> 00:59:29,867
Speaker 3: they need to do well in the T twenty Cricket

1118
00:59:29,867 --> 00:59:34,947
Speaker 3: World Cup for him to be retained. So I guess

1119
00:59:35,107 --> 00:59:40,267
Speaker 3: it's a fairly important tournament coming up for Brendan McCallum.

1120
00:59:40,747 --> 00:59:42,227
Speaker 3: Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll get

1121
00:59:42,267 --> 00:59:45,107
Speaker 3: you to Melbourne where we're just about underway on Rod

1122
00:59:45,187 --> 00:59:48,987
Speaker 3: Laver Arena on day eight of the Australian Tennis Open.

1123
00:59:49,107 --> 00:59:51,707
Speaker 3: Most of the seeds in both the men's and women's

1124
00:59:51,707 --> 00:59:54,627
Speaker 3: singles are still alive as we head into second week,

1125
00:59:54,667 --> 00:59:57,867
Speaker 3: which means some cracking contests are in prospect as we

1126
00:59:57,947 --> 01:00:01,387
Speaker 3: head towards the men's and women's singles finals next weekend.

1127
01:00:01,467 --> 01:00:03,387
Speaker 3: Dave Worsley's and Melbourne, we'll have a chat with them

1128
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Speaker 3: after this.

1129
01:00:05,187 --> 01:00:08,987
Speaker 1: The big issues on and after Fields Call eight hundred

1130
01:00:09,107 --> 01:00:11,707
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason.

1131
01:00:11,467 --> 01:00:12,507
Speaker 2: Fine and GJ.

1132
01:00:12,667 --> 01:00:16,387
Speaker 1: Guther Homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talks.

1133
01:00:16,107 --> 01:00:18,987
Speaker 3: That'd be coming up one twenty eight. Despite battling cramp

1134
01:00:19,027 --> 01:00:22,387
Speaker 3: on a sweltering Day seven at the Australian Tennis Open,

1135
01:00:22,467 --> 01:00:25,747
Speaker 3: raigning back to back men's champion Annix Center has battled

1136
01:00:25,747 --> 01:00:29,307
Speaker 3: through to the fourth round in Melbourne, beating gutsy American

1137
01:00:29,427 --> 01:00:38,467
Speaker 3: Elliott Spitserian four sets. Yeah So the seventh sixty three

1138
01:00:38,907 --> 01:00:45,027
Speaker 3: six six the spots was colored.

1139
01:00:46,547 --> 01:00:51,787
Speaker 2: Set the crowds of the defender.

1140
01:00:51,947 --> 01:00:55,787
Speaker 3: Champion ten time men's champion Novak Djokovic also through to

1141
01:00:55,867 --> 01:00:58,107
Speaker 3: the fourth round after a straight sets won. He'll face

1142
01:00:58,387 --> 01:01:01,707
Speaker 3: asb Classic winner Yuck of Menshik next. Also advancing in

1143
01:01:01,747 --> 01:01:04,867
Speaker 3: the men's on night seven, twelfth seed Casperlud ninth seed

1144
01:01:04,907 --> 01:01:08,587
Speaker 3: Tailor Fritz He ended the Australian Open career of twenty

1145
01:01:08,587 --> 01:01:11,707
Speaker 3: fourteen champion Stanfadrinca in four sets. A good day for

1146
01:01:11,747 --> 01:01:14,947
Speaker 3: the seat of American women defending champion medicine keys also

1147
01:01:15,067 --> 01:01:19,747
Speaker 3: Amanda and A Samova and Jessica Pagola all through. Second

1148
01:01:19,747 --> 01:01:23,787
Speaker 3: seed Egos Fiontech and fifth seed Elena Rabekeina went through

1149
01:01:23,827 --> 01:01:27,587
Speaker 3: as well, but two time champion Naomi Osaka withdrew from

1150
01:01:27,667 --> 01:01:32,027
Speaker 3: her round three match, citing an abdominal injury linked to

1151
01:01:32,067 --> 01:01:35,307
Speaker 3: body changes from her pregnancy. Among those on court in

1152
01:01:35,347 --> 01:01:38,907
Speaker 3: the day session today. The two top seeds Arena Sablenka

1153
01:01:38,987 --> 01:01:41,667
Speaker 3: in her fourth round match, followed by Carlos el Kraz

1154
01:01:42,067 --> 01:01:47,107
Speaker 3: in his fourth round encounter. Veteran tennis journalist Dave Worsley

1155
01:01:47,587 --> 01:01:51,507
Speaker 3: is attending his twenty seventh Australian Open and his fiftieth

1156
01:01:51,587 --> 01:01:54,427
Speaker 3: Grand Slam overall. Do you get a special seat when

1157
01:01:54,507 --> 01:01:55,387
Speaker 3: you bring up fifty?

1158
01:01:57,067 --> 01:01:59,067
Speaker 6: No, Tony, I don't. There's a lot of people who

1159
01:01:59,067 --> 01:02:00,867
Speaker 6: have done a lot more than me, but I guess

1160
01:02:00,947 --> 01:02:04,147
Speaker 6: we're in New Zealander. It's a decent amount and does

1161
01:02:04,187 --> 01:02:05,587
Speaker 6: make me feel a little bit old when I think

1162
01:02:05,627 --> 01:02:09,027
Speaker 6: about the first Ossie Open, for instance, and there were

1163
01:02:09,067 --> 01:02:10,667
Speaker 6: still fact machines been used.

1164
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:13,667
Speaker 3: Yes, you can fax your report back to us. Well,

1165
01:02:13,707 --> 01:02:15,507
Speaker 3: it's good to have you on with us, Dave. Just

1166
01:02:15,547 --> 01:02:18,147
Speaker 3: before we get to the tennis, How hot was it

1167
01:02:18,227 --> 01:02:21,027
Speaker 3: in Melbourne yesterday?

1168
01:02:21,107 --> 01:02:23,787
Speaker 6: It wasn't the hardest I can recall. I mean we've

1169
01:02:23,787 --> 01:02:26,947
Speaker 6: actually had a few years of not too much heat. Yes,

1170
01:02:27,067 --> 01:02:29,467
Speaker 6: they got to a round about forty or cost enough.

1171
01:02:29,507 --> 01:02:32,107
Speaker 6: It's actually Tuesday that we're looking forward to. I guess

1172
01:02:32,147 --> 01:02:35,787
Speaker 6: forward to it forty two degrees and that one will

1173
01:02:35,827 --> 01:02:37,707
Speaker 6: be a tough one. I mean in the past, there

1174
01:02:37,747 --> 01:02:40,027
Speaker 6: has been a couple of years that I recall where

1175
01:02:40,027 --> 01:02:43,667
Speaker 6: there was bush fires around the outskirts of Melbourne and Dandenongs,

1176
01:02:43,707 --> 01:02:45,707
Speaker 6: and then you also had the heat and then all

1177
01:02:45,747 --> 01:02:48,627
Speaker 6: the flies as well. Anyone who's been to Melbourne when

1178
01:02:48,627 --> 01:02:51,227
Speaker 6: it's really hot, you get the flies coming in and

1179
01:02:51,507 --> 01:02:53,627
Speaker 6: no they're not people waving at you. The are people

1180
01:02:53,787 --> 01:02:55,667
Speaker 6: trying to get rid of the flies from around their face.

1181
01:02:55,707 --> 01:03:00,147
Speaker 6: It's not really that appealing. The tennis fliers manus who survived,

1182
01:03:00,187 --> 01:03:02,747
Speaker 6: including Aaron Ratlers and New Zealander, she had to wait

1183
01:03:02,787 --> 01:03:05,107
Speaker 6: six hours and I've just said, oh, there we go.

1184
01:03:05,147 --> 01:03:06,667
Speaker 6: I've just seen the temperature come up on one of

1185
01:03:06,667 --> 01:03:09,227
Speaker 6: the big screen term that's his twenty point four degrees.

1186
01:03:09,267 --> 01:03:11,627
Speaker 6: It's remarkable how it drops by about twenty degrees.

1187
01:03:11,747 --> 01:03:14,787
Speaker 3: Indeed, yeah, much more comfortable today. How much of a

1188
01:03:14,827 --> 01:03:19,707
Speaker 3: battle did Yanick Center find himself in against Elliott Spatzira yesterday?

1189
01:03:20,627 --> 01:03:22,747
Speaker 6: Well his legs look what you and I after playing

1190
01:03:22,747 --> 01:03:28,147
Speaker 6: five minutes of over forties football jelly. Basically he was

1191
01:03:28,187 --> 01:03:30,587
Speaker 6: in a massive battle there. We do know that he

1192
01:03:30,627 --> 01:03:34,307
Speaker 6: struggles with the heat more so than his main rival

1193
01:03:34,587 --> 01:03:38,467
Speaker 6: Alcaaz yeah, yesterday though he was being told by his

1194
01:03:38,507 --> 01:03:42,667
Speaker 6: coach Darren Cahill, the ex Australian players just survived this set.

1195
01:03:42,907 --> 01:03:44,667
Speaker 6: Then you can get a break and we'll call for

1196
01:03:44,707 --> 01:03:46,947
Speaker 6: a break and you'll be able to continue on a

1197
01:03:46,947 --> 01:03:50,347
Speaker 6: lot better to survive. He did survive in the end. Now,

1198
01:03:50,387 --> 01:03:52,667
Speaker 6: anybody who says that the rules were in his favor,

1199
01:03:52,867 --> 01:03:54,867
Speaker 6: or that he asked for the rules to be changed

1200
01:03:54,947 --> 01:04:00,107
Speaker 6: or anything like that, that's incorrect. The rules did favor him, however,

1201
01:04:00,347 --> 01:04:02,827
Speaker 6: they weren't made in his favor. Two were made a

1202
01:04:02,827 --> 01:04:06,627
Speaker 6: couple of years back after they changed the actual way

1203
01:04:06,747 --> 01:04:08,787
Speaker 6: that the heat wall came about. And it's all very

1204
01:04:08,787 --> 01:04:12,507
Speaker 6: complicated and it really makes the Duckworth Lewis system look easy.

1205
01:04:13,627 --> 01:04:13,787
Speaker 25: You know.

1206
01:04:13,827 --> 01:04:15,627
Speaker 6: It's just one of those things that came at a

1207
01:04:15,667 --> 01:04:17,987
Speaker 6: brilliant time for him. He has to come back from

1208
01:04:18,027 --> 01:04:20,667
Speaker 6: one tree down. And I guess you could say that

1209
01:04:20,707 --> 01:04:24,787
Speaker 6: his opponent in his first Grand Slam, Mandraw perhaps should

1210
01:04:24,787 --> 01:04:27,427
Speaker 6: have rammed at home and actually really you know, taken

1211
01:04:27,467 --> 01:04:29,587
Speaker 6: advantage of it. Yes, he was upset that the ruling

1212
01:04:29,627 --> 01:04:33,227
Speaker 6: did appear to go in Senna's favor. It did physically

1213
01:04:33,267 --> 01:04:36,347
Speaker 6: favor him, but yeah, Sinner came through and showed that

1214
01:04:36,387 --> 01:04:38,667
Speaker 6: he is a champion, whether people like him or not,

1215
01:04:38,747 --> 01:04:41,347
Speaker 6: and there's a few that don't. He's true to the

1216
01:04:41,347 --> 01:04:41,947
Speaker 6: fourth round.

1217
01:04:42,347 --> 01:04:46,707
Speaker 3: Okay, well he'll face the twenty second seeded Italian Lucciano Daddy.

1218
01:04:47,027 --> 01:04:49,667
Speaker 3: Let's go to top, said Carlslcas. He's on court this

1219
01:04:49,707 --> 01:04:53,987
Speaker 3: afternoon against nineteen seed Tommy Paul. Might he be in

1220
01:04:54,067 --> 01:04:56,307
Speaker 3: for a battle or no? Not really?

1221
01:04:57,267 --> 01:04:59,147
Speaker 6: Well, Tommy Paul was pretty decent, that's for sure. I

1222
01:04:59,147 --> 01:05:02,787
Speaker 6: mean it was a semi finals at Roland Garrossler last year.

1223
01:05:02,867 --> 01:05:06,107
Speaker 6: Siddenly did well. Beer, he's a good, solid player who

1224
01:05:06,227 --> 01:05:08,947
Speaker 6: was and to make Alcarez work, it's going to be

1225
01:05:08,947 --> 01:05:11,747
Speaker 6: a lot cooler. It's on the stendard court. Alcarez has

1226
01:05:11,787 --> 01:05:14,627
Speaker 6: all the flare. He can play some brilliant shots. I

1227
01:05:14,667 --> 01:05:18,707
Speaker 6: guess he's the opposite of Sir Soon will play brilliant

1228
01:05:18,827 --> 01:05:23,667
Speaker 6: regulation fantastic shot, whereas Alcarez will do the shots that

1229
01:05:23,707 --> 01:05:26,267
Speaker 6: you'd go wow, I'll never be able to do that. Ever,

1230
01:05:26,627 --> 01:05:28,107
Speaker 6: you know, it's hard to hit that shot. He's got

1231
01:05:28,107 --> 01:05:30,907
Speaker 6: the flare in his favorite al kaz and so that's

1232
01:05:30,947 --> 01:05:33,387
Speaker 6: where he can just bring up something a bit different. However,

1233
01:05:34,067 --> 01:05:37,547
Speaker 6: in that same sense, having the ability to hit any shot,

1234
01:05:37,707 --> 01:05:40,187
Speaker 6: there's also a hindrance at times, and that's where Tommy

1235
01:05:40,187 --> 01:05:42,747
Speaker 6: Paul can actually drag him around the court. You'll see

1236
01:05:42,827 --> 01:05:44,427
Speaker 6: you're going to see a lot of long rallies today

1237
01:05:44,787 --> 01:05:47,747
Speaker 6: and Tommy Paul will keep him out there. I still

1238
01:05:47,747 --> 01:05:50,027
Speaker 6: believe that Ourparaz will make it through. Just one thing

1239
01:05:50,067 --> 01:05:52,067
Speaker 6: thought by me. Alcaraz has never made it past the

1240
01:05:52,107 --> 01:05:55,027
Speaker 6: quarter finals at the Guffie Open, which is remarkable in itself.

1241
01:05:55,187 --> 01:05:58,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's an astonishing stand. I get the

1242
01:05:58,627 --> 01:06:01,307
Speaker 3: feeling that he'll certainly be targeting the last eight and

1243
01:06:01,427 --> 01:06:04,307
Speaker 3: beyond this time around. If he makes it through, he'll

1244
01:06:04,307 --> 01:06:08,107
Speaker 3: face the winner of Big GAUSSI hopes seed alex Demoneur

1245
01:06:08,267 --> 01:06:12,187
Speaker 3: and ten seed Alexander Bublick. That's on Rod Labor tonight.

1246
01:06:13,347 --> 01:06:15,987
Speaker 3: Would demon will be a firm favorite the crowd behind him,

1247
01:06:15,987 --> 01:06:18,667
Speaker 3: he's seated high. Would he be a firm enough favorite Demonur?

1248
01:06:19,707 --> 01:06:21,747
Speaker 6: Yeah, he should be for this one. However, we've got

1249
01:06:21,747 --> 01:06:25,307
Speaker 6: to remember the public's actually, I guess restrained himself from

1250
01:06:25,347 --> 01:06:28,467
Speaker 6: being an absolute eddiot at times. He has said I

1251
01:06:28,507 --> 01:06:31,467
Speaker 6: don't need you know, I don't go to any more

1252
01:06:32,107 --> 01:06:34,387
Speaker 6: and I now decided to spend time with my family,

1253
01:06:34,707 --> 01:06:38,307
Speaker 6: stopped eating to take aways every single night. He's the

1254
01:06:38,307 --> 01:06:41,147
Speaker 6: sort of player who was doing well what he had

1255
01:06:41,547 --> 01:06:44,467
Speaker 6: and enjoying life a little bit too much. Now he's

1256
01:06:44,507 --> 01:06:46,587
Speaker 6: quite I'm going to knuckle down and I'm going to

1257
01:06:46,587 --> 01:06:48,867
Speaker 6: get to the top ten books. I achieved that. Okay,

1258
01:06:48,947 --> 01:06:52,187
Speaker 6: now let's knock off some bigger players and bigger names

1259
01:06:52,187 --> 01:06:54,227
Speaker 6: and bigger seeds. So I think Demon's going to have

1260
01:06:54,227 --> 01:06:56,907
Speaker 6: a real battle tonight against the player who can hit

1261
01:06:57,027 --> 01:06:59,907
Speaker 6: any shot any time. Everybody just thinks that Demon's just

1262
01:06:59,947 --> 01:07:03,187
Speaker 6: a player who retrieved. Well he's not. He's actually better

1263
01:07:03,227 --> 01:07:04,907
Speaker 6: than that. He could hit some very good winners when

1264
01:07:04,907 --> 01:07:07,707
Speaker 6: he wants to. That's sure. He's got a lot of power.

1265
01:07:08,227 --> 01:07:08,307
Speaker 1: Uh.

1266
01:07:08,467 --> 01:07:10,387
Speaker 6: There's a lot of attention on him, of course, with

1267
01:07:10,507 --> 01:07:12,947
Speaker 6: Katie Bolter. You know they're doing, you know, all the

1268
01:07:13,027 --> 01:07:15,747
Speaker 6: questions on court about you know, are you organized in

1269
01:07:15,827 --> 01:07:17,627
Speaker 6: the wedding, blah blah blah and all that sort of thing.

1270
01:07:18,507 --> 01:07:21,747
Speaker 6: Hopefully he gets to focus on playing tennis as well.

1271
01:07:22,467 --> 01:07:24,587
Speaker 3: Novek Djokovic, Jay, you've seen a bot of him, Dave,

1272
01:07:24,587 --> 01:07:26,667
Speaker 3: You've probably seen more of him live than any other

1273
01:07:26,707 --> 01:07:29,827
Speaker 3: new Zealander. I would say menshiks his opponent in the

1274
01:07:29,867 --> 01:07:33,187
Speaker 3: fourth round. He was impressive in winning the IB Classic.

1275
01:07:33,187 --> 01:07:34,467
Speaker 3: What do you predict for this one?

1276
01:07:35,387 --> 01:07:38,747
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's an interesting one. That's your upset, that's your

1277
01:07:38,787 --> 01:07:42,227
Speaker 6: potential upset. That's say potential upsets because I believe Mensic

1278
01:07:42,307 --> 01:07:45,427
Speaker 6: stucks with the draw quite nicely. He slayed had a

1279
01:07:45,467 --> 01:07:47,867
Speaker 6: couple of tough matches. But I also believe that with

1280
01:07:47,987 --> 01:07:52,547
Speaker 6: his serves and his power, he is Yeah, he's there

1281
01:07:52,587 --> 01:07:54,827
Speaker 6: to actually knock off Jakovich. I mean, Dcovich is so

1282
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Speaker 6: hard to beat because you know, he's always able to

1283
01:07:57,507 --> 01:08:00,547
Speaker 6: make it through to what the quarters, the semis. In

1284
01:08:00,587 --> 01:08:02,627
Speaker 6: the last couple of years when we think he's saving,

1285
01:08:02,867 --> 01:08:05,627
Speaker 6: he's managed to make it through and focus. He hasn't

1286
01:08:05,627 --> 01:08:07,707
Speaker 6: done a lot of poeme or a lot of promotions

1287
01:08:07,747 --> 01:08:09,907
Speaker 6: around the tournament, even though he's won at ten times.

1288
01:08:10,147 --> 01:08:13,307
Speaker 6: He stayed very focused on just trying to stay healthy.

1289
01:08:14,227 --> 01:08:17,267
Speaker 6: He had a bit of a tough one yesterday where

1290
01:08:17,307 --> 01:08:19,347
Speaker 6: he almost hid a baldhead with the ball as well.

1291
01:08:19,547 --> 01:08:22,027
Speaker 6: Not smart, and I think you know that already. Don't

1292
01:08:22,267 --> 01:08:24,587
Speaker 6: hit the ball in a of anybody, because the last

1293
01:08:24,587 --> 01:08:26,627
Speaker 6: time you did that, you've missed it on with the

1294
01:08:26,667 --> 01:08:30,667
Speaker 6: Grand Slam and got kicked out of the USO. You

1295
01:08:30,667 --> 01:08:32,787
Speaker 6: know what, it probably wasn't going to get kicked out.

1296
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Speaker 17: Of this one.

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Speaker 6: They came very close to heaving a ballhead. So he's

1298
01:08:36,587 --> 01:08:39,427
Speaker 6: just sit on court. I've got to actually relax and

1299
01:08:39,547 --> 01:08:43,467
Speaker 6: just play. I think Menshico's got yeah, can go out

1300
01:08:43,467 --> 01:08:45,147
Speaker 6: there and start blasting, and that's what he's got to

1301
01:08:45,147 --> 01:08:45,627
Speaker 6: worry about.

1302
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Speaker 3: As I'm looking at the TV screen now, they're about

1303
01:08:49,227 --> 01:08:50,947
Speaker 3: to make their way into the court for the first

1304
01:08:50,987 --> 01:08:53,947
Speaker 3: game on Rod Lavor this afternoon arena in Sabolenca, the

1305
01:08:54,307 --> 01:08:58,587
Speaker 3: women's top seed. Are we on track for Sabolenka against

1306
01:08:58,627 --> 01:09:00,547
Speaker 3: Frian Tech the top two seeds or is it too

1307
01:09:00,587 --> 01:09:03,067
Speaker 3: early to make that a confident prediction.

1308
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Speaker 6: I think that's too early. And I also think that

1309
01:09:06,867 --> 01:09:09,627
Speaker 6: you've got Amova in there and Coco Bluff that we

1310
01:09:09,867 --> 01:09:12,347
Speaker 6: cannot figure about. You've got a few Americans actually and

1311
01:09:12,387 --> 01:09:16,107
Speaker 6: there you've got Coca God, you got Handsomova, Beguela. You've

1312
01:09:16,147 --> 01:09:18,667
Speaker 6: also got Key, So the Americans doing very well in fact,

1313
01:09:18,747 --> 01:09:22,347
Speaker 6: Keys and the gou Way that'll be tomorrow and Knights

1314
01:09:22,667 --> 01:09:25,107
Speaker 6: and a Smova could even go through and beat those

1315
01:09:25,147 --> 01:09:28,387
Speaker 6: two players. Also, IGOs Fiontek has never made it past

1316
01:09:28,427 --> 01:09:31,027
Speaker 6: the semis here. So also one other player to watch

1317
01:09:31,067 --> 01:09:33,947
Speaker 6: out for is on the right back in the right

1318
01:09:34,027 --> 01:09:35,707
Speaker 6: back and oh my goodness, I'm gonna get it wrong

1319
01:09:36,947 --> 01:09:39,307
Speaker 6: right key that there you go. She changed her name

1320
01:09:39,347 --> 01:09:42,027
Speaker 6: a few times how you actually pronounced it, But she's

1321
01:09:42,067 --> 01:09:44,507
Speaker 6: been a runner up here, was only two points away

1322
01:09:44,507 --> 01:09:46,907
Speaker 6: from winning a few years back. So watch out for

1323
01:09:46,987 --> 01:09:47,507
Speaker 6: her as well.

1324
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Speaker 3: Okay, we Aaron Rautliffe, you mentioned her earlier, Dave, she

1325
01:09:51,747 --> 01:09:56,027
Speaker 3: and a double partner Asia Muhammad through to the third round.

1326
01:09:56,627 --> 01:09:58,147
Speaker 3: Have you seen much of her in the first week

1327
01:09:58,187 --> 01:10:00,907
Speaker 3: and what do you predict in week two for Aaron Rautliffe.

1328
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Speaker 6: Well, it took two and a half hours yesterday. It

1329
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:08,587
Speaker 6: was and heat that it was the cooler hit. Yeah,

1330
01:10:08,787 --> 01:10:10,867
Speaker 6: in the third round. That's their first Grand Slam together.

1331
01:10:11,387 --> 01:10:14,027
Speaker 6: They've got every matches for good. I guess they've got

1332
01:10:14,067 --> 01:10:16,667
Speaker 6: a difficult one in the third round, but yeah, they've

1333
01:10:16,667 --> 01:10:20,147
Speaker 6: certainly got a good run to the quarterfinals. Hopefully they

1334
01:10:20,187 --> 01:10:22,507
Speaker 6: can with their next match. That'll be tomorrow. She's saying

1335
01:10:22,507 --> 01:10:26,827
Speaker 6: mixed doubles today. Yeah, it's been a long tournament for her.

1336
01:10:26,907 --> 01:10:28,747
Speaker 6: To get to the third route. They seems have been

1337
01:10:28,867 --> 01:10:32,387
Speaker 6: delayed matches all over the place for her. So yeah,

1338
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Speaker 6: I think if she can make it to the quarterfinals,

1339
01:10:34,387 --> 01:10:37,387
Speaker 6: she'd be very happy. As their first slam together her

1340
01:10:37,427 --> 01:10:40,627
Speaker 6: in Asia. They're very good friends. They both are very

1341
01:10:40,667 --> 01:10:42,947
Speaker 6: tall end route with a round about six to six

1342
01:10:43,067 --> 01:10:44,827
Speaker 6: three and you've got to Jim Hammed is at least

1343
01:10:45,067 --> 01:10:47,027
Speaker 6: six foot tall or whatever you want to say in

1344
01:10:47,107 --> 01:10:51,187
Speaker 6: cinemeters mes. Yeah, so they're a tall pier and as

1345
01:10:51,267 --> 01:10:54,067
Speaker 6: Aaron Rautler said to me, she said, we're playing better

1346
01:10:54,187 --> 01:10:57,387
Speaker 6: together the more matches we play, which is of course

1347
01:10:57,467 --> 01:11:00,467
Speaker 6: obvious that they're to do that. Yes, I think she's

1348
01:11:00,507 --> 01:11:03,627
Speaker 6: got a good run. Her ranking has dropped just a little,

1349
01:11:03,947 --> 01:11:05,867
Speaker 6: but it's still top ten.

1350
01:11:06,787 --> 01:11:08,907
Speaker 3: Just before you go, as I say, you've been to

1351
01:11:09,427 --> 01:11:12,587
Speaker 3: so many of these Australian Opens. If we just focused

1352
01:11:12,627 --> 01:11:15,747
Speaker 3: on the twenty seven number twenty seven, apart from the

1353
01:11:15,827 --> 01:11:19,627
Speaker 3: fact that you know, you transmit your journalism in a

1354
01:11:19,667 --> 01:11:21,747
Speaker 3: different way than you're used to twenty seven years ago,

1355
01:11:22,027 --> 01:11:23,827
Speaker 3: one are the other big changes as far as the

1356
01:11:23,907 --> 01:11:27,707
Speaker 3: Australian Open is concerned over the last nearly three decades.

1357
01:11:28,467 --> 01:11:32,427
Speaker 6: Well into itself, and that the tournament has become more prestigious.

1358
01:11:33,187 --> 01:11:34,747
Speaker 6: The amount of people that come through. Was the first

1359
01:11:34,787 --> 01:11:37,747
Speaker 6: tournament to get a million people through on the regulation time.

1360
01:11:37,827 --> 01:11:41,027
Speaker 6: Now they've extended in the extra day. No doubt they'll

1361
01:11:41,067 --> 01:11:43,587
Speaker 6: extend it even more. In the past for the players benefit,

1362
01:11:43,667 --> 01:11:46,347
Speaker 6: of course, that's all. It's mainly because they can get

1363
01:11:46,347 --> 01:11:49,947
Speaker 6: a heap more money, hit more people coming through. It's

1364
01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:54,427
Speaker 6: become prestigious. It was almost quaint out of the Grand

1365
01:11:54,507 --> 01:11:56,307
Speaker 6: Slams in the past that it was all that little

1366
01:11:56,307 --> 01:12:00,507
Speaker 6: one down there, and even in the eighties players didn't

1367
01:12:00,667 --> 01:12:03,547
Speaker 6: really come to it. But now it's really part of

1368
01:12:03,587 --> 01:12:05,707
Speaker 6: the Slam and the players get so many perks. But

1369
01:12:06,147 --> 01:12:11,427
Speaker 6: it's got bigger and better in that sense. The accessibility

1370
01:12:11,627 --> 01:12:15,547
Speaker 6: to the players for media is probably slightly less, but

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01:12:15,627 --> 01:12:18,107
Speaker 6: that's what happens when you get to a bigger event.

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Speaker 6: The great thing about this tournament is that it's basically

1373
01:12:22,267 --> 01:12:24,907
Speaker 6: in the middle of town. Anybody's been to Melbourne can

1374
01:12:24,987 --> 01:12:26,947
Speaker 6: see with the mcg as well, that's just across the

1375
01:12:27,027 --> 01:12:30,667
Speaker 6: Low Way perhaps from the tennis have got the football

1376
01:12:30,707 --> 01:12:34,267
Speaker 6: stadium just across the road as well. Everything is five

1377
01:12:34,307 --> 01:12:38,267
Speaker 6: minutes walk from Federation Square and I think Anybody who's

1378
01:12:38,667 --> 01:12:41,347
Speaker 6: been here for any sporting event around this sort of

1379
01:12:42,067 --> 01:12:46,667
Speaker 6: this area will understand that having sporting venues close to

1380
01:12:46,907 --> 01:12:50,987
Speaker 6: the city center is such a fantastic idea compared to

1381
01:12:51,027 --> 01:12:54,027
Speaker 6: the other Slams, compared to any other sporting city here

1382
01:12:54,147 --> 01:12:56,627
Speaker 6: is just great. I just walked for a third square

1383
01:12:56,667 --> 01:12:59,227
Speaker 6: to five minutes to get here. Fantastic. I love that

1384
01:12:59,347 --> 01:13:01,667
Speaker 6: and that's what makes the thing really good because even

1385
01:13:01,667 --> 01:13:03,827
Speaker 6: if you finish at stupid o'clock in the morning, it

1386
01:13:03,947 --> 01:13:05,867
Speaker 6: doesn't take that long to get back to the hotel

1387
01:13:06,067 --> 01:13:06,947
Speaker 6: or where you're staying.

1388
01:13:07,547 --> 01:13:09,867
Speaker 3: Well, we've got you done in time for the opening

1389
01:13:09,947 --> 01:13:12,267
Speaker 3: match on rod Laver this afternoon. Are in a Sabalinka

1390
01:13:12,347 --> 01:13:15,467
Speaker 3: about to go up against Victoria and Bokle, the Canadian

1391
01:13:15,507 --> 01:13:17,667
Speaker 3: player that've never played before, about to do so. Dave,

1392
01:13:17,707 --> 01:13:19,827
Speaker 3: thanks for your rap mate. We have to catch up

1393
01:13:19,867 --> 01:13:20,827
Speaker 3: with you again next weekend.

1394
01:13:21,707 --> 01:13:23,787
Speaker 6: That worries mate, Thanks Piney, Thanks Dave, Dave Worsley.

1395
01:13:23,827 --> 01:13:27,427
Speaker 3: They're out of Melbourne. The Australian Open has twenty seventh

1396
01:13:27,587 --> 01:13:32,507
Speaker 3: Australian Open and fiftieth Major all up. Terrific stuff. Nineteen

1397
01:13:32,667 --> 01:13:35,027
Speaker 3: away from two, take a break, come back. James mcconey

1398
01:13:35,067 --> 01:13:36,507
Speaker 3: in his regular Sunday slot.

1399
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Speaker 1: One Grudge Hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason Pain and GJ.

1400
01:13:42,467 --> 01:13:46,507
Speaker 1: Gunner Homes New Zealand's first trusted home builder News Talk BB.

1401
01:13:46,547 --> 01:13:49,227
Speaker 3: Sixteen away from two Sunday afternoons. We always catch up

1402
01:13:49,227 --> 01:13:51,507
Speaker 3: with James mcconey. Hello mate, how are you to day?

1403
01:13:52,307 --> 01:13:52,507
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1404
01:13:52,547 --> 01:13:55,267
Speaker 12: Good, thanks Piney. It's a bit of a crafty long

1405
01:13:55,347 --> 01:13:59,187
Speaker 12: weekend out there, but yeah, it's still watching a lot

1406
01:13:59,227 --> 01:13:59,587
Speaker 12: of sport.

1407
01:13:59,907 --> 01:14:01,907
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's plenty on plenty on. I want to ask

1408
01:14:01,907 --> 01:14:04,467
Speaker 3: you about the All Blacks coach, not who you necessarily

1409
01:14:04,547 --> 01:14:06,547
Speaker 3: think it's going to be, but you know, what have

1410
01:14:06,627 --> 01:14:09,667
Speaker 3: you made of the last ten days since since Scott

1411
01:14:09,747 --> 01:14:13,307
Speaker 3: Robertson was was relieved of his duties. What do you

1412
01:14:13,387 --> 01:14:15,947
Speaker 3: predict from here in terms of the process that might

1413
01:14:16,147 --> 01:14:17,027
Speaker 3: might be carried out?

1414
01:14:18,147 --> 01:14:21,067
Speaker 12: Well, I mean it's interesting seeing listening to Tony Brown

1415
01:14:21,067 --> 01:14:24,147
Speaker 12: who was talking to Mike Hosking about his I guess

1416
01:14:24,227 --> 01:14:27,467
Speaker 12: his loyalty to Rassi Erasmus. Now that he's signed that contract,

1417
01:14:27,947 --> 01:14:30,347
Speaker 12: doesn't look like there's any way of budging him free,

1418
01:14:30,427 --> 01:14:34,987
Speaker 12: which just as timing as everything right, So you're losing well,

1419
01:14:35,067 --> 01:14:37,507
Speaker 12: one of the great minds of rugby, and of course

1420
01:14:37,667 --> 01:14:41,387
Speaker 12: that means Jamie Joseph needs to find some running mates

1421
01:14:41,427 --> 01:14:43,547
Speaker 12: and like I mentioned last week, it could be a

1422
01:14:43,667 --> 01:14:47,787
Speaker 12: traveling Wilbury's style of All Stars. But I think, you know,

1423
01:14:47,987 --> 01:14:50,427
Speaker 12: Dave Rennie has to be considered, and I think that

1424
01:14:50,547 --> 01:14:53,587
Speaker 12: he'd be one guy who's big on culture and I

1425
01:14:53,667 --> 01:14:56,907
Speaker 12: think if there's anything that we've learned from the I

1426
01:14:56,947 --> 01:14:59,107
Speaker 12: guess the player revolt that they don't want to call

1427
01:14:59,187 --> 01:15:02,347
Speaker 12: it that, but that's really what it is, is is

1428
01:15:02,467 --> 01:15:04,987
Speaker 12: that they need to work on their on their culture

1429
01:15:05,027 --> 01:15:05,467
Speaker 12: and the team.

1430
01:15:05,867 --> 01:15:08,507
Speaker 3: Now Wayne's Smith. You would have or Sir Wayne, my apologies,

1431
01:15:08,507 --> 01:15:09,907
Speaker 3: so you would have picked up on this news that

1432
01:15:09,987 --> 01:15:12,907
Speaker 3: he is leaving New Zealand rugby to take up an

1433
01:15:12,947 --> 01:15:14,227
Speaker 3: overseas opportunity.

1434
01:15:14,307 --> 01:15:14,827
Speaker 6: What to make of this?

1435
01:15:15,747 --> 01:15:18,747
Speaker 12: Yeah, apparently he made the call before the review came through,

1436
01:15:18,867 --> 01:15:23,387
Speaker 12: so it was just independently decided he had had enough

1437
01:15:23,467 --> 01:15:28,107
Speaker 12: time doing that. Look, it doesn't it doesn't really reflect

1438
01:15:28,187 --> 01:15:32,627
Speaker 12: well on the version that's just been housted. But at

1439
01:15:32,627 --> 01:15:34,627
Speaker 12: the same time, I think Wayne Smith is very loyal

1440
01:15:34,707 --> 01:15:38,307
Speaker 12: to Scott Robertson. It doesn't actually surprise me that Wayne

1441
01:15:38,307 --> 01:15:41,267
Speaker 12: Smith is leaving by the way he enjoys spending his

1442
01:15:41,947 --> 01:15:45,747
Speaker 12: winters on the Gold Coast and he's got an apartment

1443
01:15:45,827 --> 01:15:48,107
Speaker 12: there that's where he likes to go. And he also

1444
01:15:48,227 --> 01:15:50,747
Speaker 12: has a side hustle, a job where he It's not

1445
01:15:50,907 --> 01:15:53,747
Speaker 12: often reported, but he works for the Melbourne Storm and

1446
01:15:53,867 --> 01:15:56,707
Speaker 12: he goes there as a consultant. Craig Bellamy loves him.

1447
01:15:57,107 --> 01:15:59,747
Speaker 12: They share ideas and of course that cross pollination is

1448
01:15:59,787 --> 01:16:02,027
Speaker 12: great and we should be doing it more in all

1449
01:16:02,107 --> 01:16:06,147
Speaker 12: our workplaces really and Wayne Smith was big on that.

1450
01:16:06,387 --> 01:16:08,867
Speaker 12: So I could see him, you know, moving to another

1451
01:16:09,067 --> 01:16:13,347
Speaker 12: type of consultancy role if he's sixty nine in April,

1452
01:16:13,827 --> 01:16:16,307
Speaker 12: so if he was to take on a big culturing,

1453
01:16:16,547 --> 01:16:18,907
Speaker 12: a coaching role somewhere, that would be quite a big,

1454
01:16:19,187 --> 01:16:19,787
Speaker 12: big surprise.

1455
01:16:19,987 --> 01:16:21,987
Speaker 3: Can you imagine anyone sitting down with Wayne Smith and

1456
01:16:22,067 --> 01:16:23,947
Speaker 3: not enjoying it, you know? Can you imagine anybody say

1457
01:16:23,987 --> 01:16:26,427
Speaker 3: he's a bit of a Dirk is'ne It may be

1458
01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:27,907
Speaker 3: universally loved, wouldn't he?

1459
01:16:28,787 --> 01:16:28,947
Speaker 14: I know?

1460
01:16:29,147 --> 01:16:31,787
Speaker 12: And even imagine watching sport with Wayne Smith anyhow in

1461
01:16:31,867 --> 01:16:34,107
Speaker 12: the living room sometimes you just don't want people to talk.

1462
01:16:34,147 --> 01:16:36,867
Speaker 12: But with Wayne Smith, I'd happily pay for the privilege

1463
01:16:36,867 --> 01:16:41,747
Speaker 12: of watching a Test match with Smithy. Sir Wayne. Look,

1464
01:16:41,947 --> 01:16:44,707
Speaker 12: I think he's off to see the Storm this week.

1465
01:16:44,787 --> 01:16:47,027
Speaker 12: I think because he goes there regularly and he's going

1466
01:16:47,107 --> 01:16:50,267
Speaker 12: to watch the Australian Open. And as far as I know,

1467
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:53,947
Speaker 12: I don't think there is another job that he's been

1468
01:16:54,547 --> 01:16:57,787
Speaker 12: linked to yet. Well you know, there's nothing's been set

1469
01:16:57,867 --> 01:17:00,027
Speaker 12: in stone, but that remains to be seen to watch

1470
01:17:00,147 --> 01:17:03,427
Speaker 12: the space. So you know, I actually just on the

1471
01:17:03,547 --> 01:17:06,027
Speaker 12: razor thing. I do feel sorry for him because to me,

1472
01:17:06,147 --> 01:17:08,787
Speaker 12: he was in a development phase. But of course nobody

1473
01:17:08,827 --> 01:17:11,547
Speaker 12: in New Zealand, nobody who listens to new stalks there

1474
01:17:11,587 --> 01:17:14,387
Speaker 12: b has any tolerance for that, no for when it

1475
01:17:14,427 --> 01:17:17,947
Speaker 12: comes to the All Blacks, because you know, it's they

1476
01:17:18,027 --> 01:17:18,987
Speaker 12: want results.

1477
01:17:18,667 --> 01:17:19,067
Speaker 17: And that's it.

1478
01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:22,227
Speaker 12: So you know, for some reason we can't, we can't

1479
01:17:22,387 --> 01:17:24,867
Speaker 12: be seen developing in the All Blacks. But that's exactly

1480
01:17:24,987 --> 01:17:27,347
Speaker 12: what he was in. But that doesn't that doesn't take

1481
01:17:27,347 --> 01:17:30,147
Speaker 12: away the fact that winning and gaining the respect and

1482
01:17:30,227 --> 01:17:33,707
Speaker 12: the trust of established players is tougher than most people imagine.

1483
01:17:34,027 --> 01:17:36,707
Speaker 12: You know, they've grown, men have been exposed and I'm

1484
01:17:36,707 --> 01:17:40,107
Speaker 12: talking about the established players. They've been exposed to multiple

1485
01:17:40,227 --> 01:17:44,907
Speaker 12: coaching styles and structures from elite coaches, So talk about

1486
01:17:44,947 --> 01:17:48,307
Speaker 12: a tough crowd. You know, that is the thing that's tough.

1487
01:17:48,427 --> 01:17:53,107
Speaker 12: But if you want to some holiday viewing, try looking

1488
01:17:53,187 --> 01:17:56,867
Speaker 12: at the UK Celebrity Traitors. If you haven't seen it,

1489
01:17:56,907 --> 01:18:01,227
Speaker 12: it's on three now and if you've got that app,

1490
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Speaker 12: and it's amazing watching all the people trust the Traders,

1491
01:18:05,987 --> 01:18:08,707
Speaker 12: so you know, anything can happen in the team environment,

1492
01:18:08,867 --> 01:18:11,427
Speaker 12: is what I'm saying, Poney, that's the moral of the story.

1493
01:18:11,507 --> 01:18:12,787
Speaker 12: You just don't know who to trust.

1494
01:18:12,587 --> 01:18:14,747
Speaker 3: Sometimes, No, you don't. I feel like you and I

1495
01:18:14,827 --> 01:18:17,267
Speaker 3: have developed a fairly good sort of relationship over the years.

1496
01:18:17,307 --> 01:18:19,867
Speaker 3: I would never you know, I think we can. We can,

1497
01:18:20,227 --> 01:18:22,427
Speaker 3: we can trust on another. But you've got me worried

1498
01:18:22,507 --> 01:18:24,907
Speaker 3: now I've seen that Traders show. It's not my favorite

1499
01:18:24,947 --> 01:18:28,707
Speaker 3: Cherman him. I think we digress. Emerging cricket talent I've

1500
01:18:28,747 --> 01:18:32,587
Speaker 3: got written down here. Are you? Are you optimistic about

1501
01:18:32,627 --> 01:18:33,627
Speaker 3: the future of our game?

1502
01:18:34,907 --> 01:18:37,187
Speaker 12: I am in the bowling star stocks. Really, this is

1503
01:18:37,267 --> 01:18:39,547
Speaker 12: what I wanted to talk about. I think Christian Clark,

1504
01:18:39,627 --> 01:18:42,187
Speaker 12: who may have noticed, I'm not sure if I mentioned

1505
01:18:42,227 --> 01:18:44,147
Speaker 12: he's from Tao and Mucho. Did I mention that you

1506
01:18:44,227 --> 01:18:47,307
Speaker 12: have Okay? Yeah, of course I've mentioned that Poney he's

1507
01:18:47,307 --> 01:18:49,427
Speaker 12: from Tao and Mudo when he was the top wicket

1508
01:18:49,507 --> 01:18:53,747
Speaker 12: taker in the ODI Series victory against India seven wickets

1509
01:18:53,747 --> 01:18:57,787
Speaker 12: and he dismissed Variat Holy twice. So hello, we've unveiled

1510
01:18:57,827 --> 01:19:01,187
Speaker 12: someone outstanding. He happens to be from my hometown. Shout

1511
01:19:01,227 --> 01:19:04,627
Speaker 12: out to Ta tl Moutu in their house. But then

1512
01:19:04,707 --> 01:19:07,507
Speaker 12: also I was watching the Supersmash other night and there's

1513
01:19:07,507 --> 01:19:10,307
Speaker 12: a bowler called Lockey Harper who took four for seventeen

1514
01:19:10,347 --> 01:19:12,547
Speaker 12: and the ten twenty. You don't see many four fits.

1515
01:19:12,827 --> 01:19:17,267
Speaker 12: He's another medium fast bowler out of the Canterbury system.

1516
01:19:17,347 --> 01:19:19,507
Speaker 12: And I was like, that isn't too bad, you know,

1517
01:19:19,707 --> 01:19:23,947
Speaker 12: like just seeing those players come through and get you know,

1518
01:19:24,267 --> 01:19:26,747
Speaker 12: make a name for themselves. We need to have a

1519
01:19:26,867 --> 01:19:28,867
Speaker 12: segment that's called remember the Name.

1520
01:19:29,627 --> 01:19:32,707
Speaker 3: Yes, we should we should have something like that. You

1521
01:19:32,787 --> 01:19:34,827
Speaker 3: remember was the Warriors player. We should have had him

1522
01:19:34,867 --> 01:19:36,547
Speaker 3: in there that you mentioned to the back end of

1523
01:19:36,627 --> 01:19:41,267
Speaker 3: last year. What was his name? Morgan Gannon morgan Gannon, Yeah,

1524
01:19:41,307 --> 01:19:44,227
Speaker 3: I remember the name. We actually I got Andy to

1525
01:19:44,307 --> 01:19:47,147
Speaker 3: save the audio because when he becomes you know, a

1526
01:19:47,307 --> 01:19:50,467
Speaker 3: leak of Hellaesima type of icon for the Warriors. We

1527
01:19:50,547 --> 01:19:52,827
Speaker 3: can play back your audio and all sort of luxury

1528
01:19:52,867 --> 01:19:53,747
Speaker 3: at in your brilliance.

1529
01:19:54,587 --> 01:20:01,747
Speaker 12: Yes, indeed, we can hopefully remember the name segment is born. Actually,

1530
01:20:01,747 --> 01:20:03,667
Speaker 12: one thing I did want to mention about Razor just

1531
01:20:03,747 --> 01:20:07,347
Speaker 12: doesn't ad an analogy. Imagine the best high school geography

1532
01:20:07,467 --> 01:20:11,707
Speaker 12: teacher in the world going into teach a class of

1533
01:20:11,787 --> 01:20:16,627
Speaker 12: PhD students in volcanology. You know, it's just the step

1534
01:20:16,707 --> 01:20:19,547
Speaker 12: up sometimes is really really tough, and that's what you

1535
01:20:19,627 --> 01:20:21,627
Speaker 12: can underestimate or can surprise you.

1536
01:20:21,827 --> 01:20:25,947
Speaker 3: Indeed, Fernando Mendoza, I wasn't completely familiar with him, but

1537
01:20:26,067 --> 01:20:28,787
Speaker 3: he's he's had a pretty busy old weekend and he's

1538
01:20:28,827 --> 01:20:31,787
Speaker 3: been on television shows. He's declared for the NFL Draft.

1539
01:20:32,107 --> 01:20:34,467
Speaker 3: This is the Indiana quarterback.

1540
01:20:35,387 --> 01:20:39,227
Speaker 12: Yeah, he is the most beloved quarterback in college football history.

1541
01:20:39,587 --> 01:20:42,267
Speaker 12: No one has a bad way to say about Fernando Mendoza.

1542
01:20:43,467 --> 01:20:46,627
Speaker 12: His mother, it's very sad. She's got multiple sclerosis. So

1543
01:20:46,707 --> 01:20:49,107
Speaker 12: she watches the games from a wheelchair. That which means

1544
01:20:50,307 --> 01:20:52,787
Speaker 12: his dad is right by his side. So he doesn't

1545
01:20:52,827 --> 01:20:55,587
Speaker 12: stand up in chair. He stays down at the level

1546
01:20:55,627 --> 01:20:58,947
Speaker 12: with his wife there and they have this incredible you

1547
01:20:59,027 --> 01:21:03,307
Speaker 12: know family unit. Fernando's younger brother has traveled with him

1548
01:21:03,667 --> 01:21:05,867
Speaker 12: and been on Good Morning America and all of this

1549
01:21:07,107 --> 01:21:09,147
Speaker 12: just this perfect family. But what I love about it

1550
01:21:09,387 --> 01:21:12,227
Speaker 12: is that he represents a sort of a modern America.

1551
01:21:12,667 --> 01:21:15,347
Speaker 12: All his grandparents are from Cuba, so you know, it

1552
01:21:15,427 --> 01:21:17,267
Speaker 12: sort of flies in the face of Trump, you know,

1553
01:21:17,387 --> 01:21:21,307
Speaker 12: deporting every Latina. He's fright and center. It's just that

1554
01:21:21,547 --> 01:21:26,987
Speaker 12: whole thing of him being this wholesome guy. He really

1555
01:21:27,067 --> 01:21:29,627
Speaker 12: loves God, but he might be it looks like he's

1556
01:21:29,627 --> 01:21:32,627
Speaker 12: going to get drafted to Sin City, Las Vegas, so

1557
01:21:33,467 --> 01:21:35,987
Speaker 12: he'll have to clutch his faith very close to his

1558
01:21:36,107 --> 01:21:40,547
Speaker 12: chest when he's there. But if you want something fun

1559
01:21:40,627 --> 01:21:45,707
Speaker 12: to watch, for example, his game winning touchdown is basically

1560
01:21:46,267 --> 01:21:50,147
Speaker 12: he dives like Superman, so it's a very American style

1561
01:21:50,147 --> 01:21:52,827
Speaker 12: a way to win a game. And then and then

1562
01:21:52,867 --> 01:21:56,587
Speaker 12: all his game show appearances or sorry, chat show appearances,

1563
01:21:56,707 --> 01:22:00,907
Speaker 12: Jimmy Fallon, he's breaking records by throwing a football at

1564
01:22:00,987 --> 01:22:05,507
Speaker 12: actual vinyl records and stuff, and he just he's just lovable,

1565
01:22:05,587 --> 01:22:08,147
Speaker 12: you know, But obviously do that after three pm after

1566
01:22:08,267 --> 01:22:09,587
Speaker 12: the Jason Pine Sports Show.

1567
01:22:09,787 --> 01:22:12,347
Speaker 3: Indeed, just before you go very quickly text I'm here

1568
01:22:12,467 --> 01:22:15,667
Speaker 3: what speed? At what speed does a medium fast bowler

1569
01:22:15,747 --> 01:22:16,747
Speaker 3: become a fast bowler?

1570
01:22:17,627 --> 01:22:20,347
Speaker 12: I know exactly I feel. I don't think there's a

1571
01:22:20,387 --> 01:22:23,427
Speaker 12: speak camera on Super Special. I was looking for Locky harperstats.

1572
01:22:23,587 --> 01:22:26,627
Speaker 3: Drink DRIs one thirty five. Over one thirty five makes

1573
01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:27,347
Speaker 3: you a fast bowler?

1574
01:22:27,987 --> 01:22:28,427
Speaker 11: I think so.

1575
01:22:28,547 --> 01:22:30,787
Speaker 12: I think over one thirty five. And speaking of fast,

1576
01:22:30,827 --> 01:22:33,747
Speaker 12: as you see Timwhelpton, New Zealand's fastest man round a

1577
01:22:33,827 --> 01:22:36,747
Speaker 12: ten oh ten point zero two for one hundred meters

1578
01:22:37,107 --> 01:22:40,467
Speaker 12: in wang and nui and wind assisted five point eight

1579
01:22:40,627 --> 01:22:43,547
Speaker 12: meters per second, so huge wind assisted, but how quick

1580
01:22:43,627 --> 01:22:46,027
Speaker 12: is that? You may remember him as Larry the Lamb

1581
01:22:46,547 --> 01:22:48,627
Speaker 12: in the MP SIP mascot race.

1582
01:22:49,227 --> 01:22:53,227
Speaker 3: Remember the name, Remember the Lamb? Gotta go mate, Love

1583
01:22:53,347 --> 01:22:56,067
Speaker 3: chatting to you, James mcconey, remember the name. Big part

1584
01:22:56,067 --> 01:22:58,147
Speaker 3: of our Sundays when it's.

1585
01:22:58,067 --> 01:23:02,627
Speaker 2: Down to the line. You made a call on Weekend

1586
01:23:02,707 --> 01:23:04,827
Speaker 2: Sports with Jason Pine News Talk.

1587
01:23:05,587 --> 01:23:07,867
Speaker 3: It is an interesting question about when a medium pace

1588
01:23:07,947 --> 01:23:10,267
Speaker 3: bowler becomes a fast bowler. I know this fast, medium

1589
01:23:10,347 --> 01:23:12,907
Speaker 3: or medium fast. If you're under one thirty year medium

1590
01:23:12,947 --> 01:23:14,707
Speaker 3: pace and I think I ver over one hundred and

1591
01:23:14,707 --> 01:23:16,827
Speaker 3: forty clicks, you're fast. Bowler. So what is it when

1592
01:23:16,867 --> 01:23:18,627
Speaker 3: do you become a fast bowler? Is it at one

1593
01:23:18,747 --> 01:23:20,987
Speaker 3: forty one thirty five? I don't know. You might have

1594
01:23:21,027 --> 01:23:23,547
Speaker 3: an idea nine two ninety two Speaking of fast Sam

1595
01:23:23,627 --> 01:23:25,547
Speaker 3: Ruth and Sam Tanner After two.

1596
01:23:27,187 --> 01:23:29,987
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1597
01:23:30,467 --> 01:23:34,347
Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on weekends Ford with Jason

1598
01:23:34,467 --> 01:23:37,067
Speaker 1: Vade on your home of Sports.

1599
01:23:39,467 --> 01:23:41,387
Speaker 3: Illo. They're coming up to seven past two. I'm Jason

1600
01:23:41,387 --> 01:23:43,707
Speaker 3: Pine with Andy McDonald. It's this weekend Sport until three.

1601
01:23:43,747 --> 01:23:45,787
Speaker 3: Then Tim Beveridge is in the chair for the weekend

1602
01:23:45,827 --> 01:23:51,667
Speaker 3: Collective Sunday edition Sam v Sam the latest edition of

1603
01:23:51,867 --> 01:23:56,267
Speaker 3: this burgeoning track and field rivalry. Sam Tanner, Sam Ruth

1604
01:23:56,387 --> 01:24:01,027
Speaker 3: Last night and Fonganui at the Cook's Classic over the

1605
01:24:01,147 --> 01:24:04,267
Speaker 3: mile distance. I think they can both come away pretty happy.

1606
01:24:04,387 --> 01:24:07,267
Speaker 3: Sam Tanner won the race. Sam and Ruth broke the

1607
01:24:07,387 --> 01:24:11,507
Speaker 3: world record for the mile by a sixteen year old athlete.

1608
01:24:11,947 --> 01:24:14,427
Speaker 3: Will air from them both in the next little while.

1609
01:24:16,387 --> 01:24:21,067
Speaker 3: Speaking of pace, well written as New Zealand's new racing

1610
01:24:21,187 --> 01:24:24,227
Speaker 3: superstar putting her unbeaten record on the line in the

1611
01:24:24,267 --> 01:24:26,867
Speaker 3: Cutack a million three year old race at Allesleie last night.

1612
01:24:27,347 --> 01:24:31,347
Speaker 3: She absolutely blitzed them down the down the home straight.

1613
01:24:31,507 --> 01:24:34,987
Speaker 3: Incredible stuff. Her trainer is Stephen Marsh. He is with

1614
01:24:35,147 --> 01:24:38,027
Speaker 3: us this out. We'll get you inside the Wellington Phoenix

1615
01:24:38,067 --> 01:24:40,267
Speaker 3: camp as well. The women's side. They take on Adelaide

1616
01:24:40,387 --> 01:24:43,867
Speaker 3: United at four o'clock this afternoon at Home Body Door Park.

1617
01:24:43,947 --> 01:24:46,107
Speaker 3: If they win, this is crazy. How tight this table

1618
01:24:46,187 --> 01:24:48,587
Speaker 3: is right at the moment you look at the table

1619
01:24:48,667 --> 01:24:52,147
Speaker 3: and Wellington Phoenix are ninth ninth. If they win this

1620
01:24:52,307 --> 01:24:57,107
Speaker 3: afternoon they go to second. This about as tight a

1621
01:24:57,227 --> 01:25:00,507
Speaker 3: table as I can can remember. So the Wellington Phoenix

1622
01:25:00,547 --> 01:25:03,147
Speaker 3: women will get inside their camp and Leon Busby, our

1623
01:25:03,187 --> 01:25:06,707
Speaker 3: American sports expert, with the lattst edition of State Side.

1624
01:25:07,507 --> 01:25:09,587
Speaker 3: We'll keep you up to date with live sport as well,

1625
01:25:09,627 --> 01:25:11,667
Speaker 3: including the tennis, on the cricket, just on the cricket.

1626
01:25:11,747 --> 01:25:14,107
Speaker 3: The question that was post on text before two, how

1627
01:25:14,227 --> 01:25:15,987
Speaker 3: fast do you have to be to be a fast bowler?

1628
01:25:16,547 --> 01:25:20,547
Speaker 3: When does medium become medium, fast become fast? Felsa's think

1629
01:25:20,587 --> 01:25:23,227
Speaker 3: you have to be at least one forty maybe one

1630
01:25:23,347 --> 01:25:26,987
Speaker 3: forty five to be called just fast, not medium fast,

1631
01:25:27,267 --> 01:25:31,107
Speaker 3: straight out fast one forty five, Graham says, one hundred

1632
01:25:31,107 --> 01:25:34,627
Speaker 3: and forty adam PERORI one said anything below that won't

1633
01:25:34,667 --> 01:25:37,867
Speaker 3: cut it at international level, and I think Robbie's just

1634
01:25:37,907 --> 01:25:41,547
Speaker 3: about nader because he's gone to miles per hour. He

1635
01:25:41,587 --> 01:25:44,827
Speaker 3: said eighty five miles per hour. There's one hundred and

1636
01:25:44,867 --> 01:25:48,147
Speaker 3: thirty six point seven nine kilometers per hour at that point,

1637
01:25:48,187 --> 01:25:52,147
Speaker 3: you're fast. I think that's pretty close. Thanks Robbie, you

1638
01:25:52,227 --> 01:25:55,307
Speaker 3: might have a view. I don't think anything below one

1639
01:25:55,387 --> 01:25:57,907
Speaker 3: thirty five can be can be called fast? Can it mean?

1640
01:25:57,987 --> 01:26:03,587
Speaker 3: That's certainly in the medium pace category? Coming out nine

1641
01:26:03,627 --> 01:26:05,707
Speaker 3: past two, As we always do at around about this

1642
01:26:05,827 --> 01:26:07,467
Speaker 3: time on week Keen Sport, we like to make sure

1643
01:26:07,467 --> 01:26:10,387
Speaker 3: that you are not short on sporting knowledge, that you

1644
01:26:10,467 --> 01:26:12,947
Speaker 3: haven't missed out on anything, that things have happened and

1645
01:26:13,027 --> 01:26:15,667
Speaker 3: you haven't caught up with them in case you missed

1646
01:26:15,667 --> 01:26:18,507
Speaker 3: it to the Premier League. A rare win for Burnley

1647
01:26:18,667 --> 01:26:23,427
Speaker 3: theres again and Jayden Anthony saar Off and Devin.

1648
01:26:23,707 --> 01:26:31,907
Speaker 2: Foster and again said Foster, but we have turned it around.

1649
01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:34,587
Speaker 25: It's a massive goal, had.

1650
01:26:34,507 --> 01:26:39,907
Speaker 26: A massive game for them, but Tottenham the flots what's more.

1651
01:26:40,467 --> 01:26:42,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, In fact, I think there might have been a

1652
01:26:42,107 --> 01:26:45,027
Speaker 3: tot drawer rather than a win for Burnley because we've

1653
01:26:45,027 --> 01:26:47,507
Speaker 3: got a Tottenham fan out here and he's looking rather

1654
01:26:47,587 --> 01:26:50,387
Speaker 3: glumly through the window. They had it, Yeah, Toto Burnley

1655
01:26:50,427 --> 01:26:54,067
Speaker 3: and Tottenham Bournemouth though, did get up to beat Liverpool.

1656
01:26:54,067 --> 01:26:56,867
Speaker 26: I'm glad you put this on Andy, rain coming down

1657
01:26:56,947 --> 01:27:02,187
Speaker 26: heavily again in the faces of the Liverpool defenders. Hell

1658
01:27:02,307 --> 01:27:09,027
Speaker 26: with that round the corner run and chances gone, we

1659
01:27:09,147 --> 01:27:13,227
Speaker 26: go for perfect army for the Cherries.

1660
01:27:14,587 --> 01:27:18,787
Speaker 3: And it will be just that third ever win over Liverpool. Hi,

1661
01:27:18,947 --> 01:27:21,947
Speaker 3: that's just brilliant in the Super Smash. A fight back

1662
01:27:22,027 --> 01:27:25,907
Speaker 3: for the central hindchest and I led by Ashtuti Kumar hat.

1663
01:27:25,787 --> 01:27:31,107
Speaker 10: Trick Paul for Ashtuti Kumar, black on strike it Tony.

1664
01:27:30,907 --> 01:27:33,947
Speaker 23: Kuma has a hat track. Can you believe this?

1665
01:27:34,627 --> 01:27:34,827
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1666
01:27:34,947 --> 01:27:37,667
Speaker 3: That history making feat, though not quite enough to overcome

1667
01:27:37,747 --> 01:27:41,587
Speaker 3: the Sparks who clung on to win by two wickets. Oh,

1668
01:27:41,707 --> 01:27:42,307
Speaker 3: that goes through.

1669
01:27:42,587 --> 01:27:43,587
Speaker 23: They're gonna win this one.

1670
01:27:45,467 --> 01:27:47,587
Speaker 3: It's taken a while, but the bound's ready to finish.

1671
01:27:48,107 --> 01:27:50,947
Speaker 23: A naked's gets her first runs in Super.

1672
01:27:50,707 --> 01:27:53,507
Speaker 3: Smash cricket and it's a beauty. It's the winning runs.

1673
01:27:53,987 --> 01:27:58,907
Speaker 3: Southland writer Josh Burnett claimed Glory and Cycling's tour of Southland.

1674
01:27:58,707 --> 01:28:02,107
Speaker 22: K he extends his lead over Keegan Hornblow and let

1675
01:28:02,227 --> 01:28:04,547
Speaker 22: kirkazy south and he takes the victory.

1676
01:28:04,827 --> 01:28:06,227
Speaker 2: Hornblow will be second.

1677
01:28:05,947 --> 01:28:08,787
Speaker 22: Across line Logan carry I think would have just held

1678
01:28:08,867 --> 01:28:09,827
Speaker 22: on for third place.

1679
01:28:10,147 --> 01:28:11,347
Speaker 23: But they're in the bunch.

1680
01:28:11,507 --> 01:28:14,347
Speaker 22: Safely hidden away is the south end of the two

1681
01:28:14,467 --> 01:28:16,427
Speaker 22: time champion Josh Burnett.

1682
01:28:16,507 --> 01:28:16,667
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1683
01:28:16,747 --> 01:28:19,787
Speaker 3: Those two titles now becoming three for the hometown hero.

1684
01:28:20,507 --> 01:28:24,667
Speaker 3: And finally, a colossal late era has seen Auckland FC

1685
01:28:24,907 --> 01:28:27,947
Speaker 3: having to settle for a draw against the Central Coast

1686
01:28:28,027 --> 01:28:30,267
Speaker 3: Mariners and the A League Men's mikel Want into the

1687
01:28:30,347 --> 01:28:33,707
Speaker 3: sixth Hortier ear of volves, an era that's gone it on,

1688
01:28:33,827 --> 01:28:38,587
Speaker 3: certain of that it has now and Michael Fowls unable to.

1689
01:28:38,707 --> 01:28:41,667
Speaker 26: Contain the ball of the near post, bundled in.

1690
01:28:41,747 --> 01:28:47,307
Speaker 3: By the Mariner's history, repeating ed go media and we're

1691
01:28:47,347 --> 01:28:49,347
Speaker 3: all square at till apiece.

1692
01:28:50,587 --> 01:28:53,187
Speaker 1: The scoot from the track fields and the court on

1693
01:28:53,387 --> 01:28:56,787
Speaker 1: your home of Sport weekends for it with Jason Vine

1694
01:28:56,947 --> 01:28:57,867
Speaker 1: Youth Talks NB.

1695
01:28:58,147 --> 01:29:01,307
Speaker 3: Twelve minutes past two here on News Talks edb Kiwi

1696
01:29:01,667 --> 01:29:05,987
Speaker 3: teenage running prodigy Sam Ruth has broken yet another record

1697
01:29:06,107 --> 01:29:10,547
Speaker 3: post the world's fastest under sixteen mile time, in fact,

1698
01:29:10,947 --> 01:29:14,507
Speaker 3: the fastest mile time by a sixteen year old at

1699
01:29:14,547 --> 01:29:17,387
Speaker 3: the Cooks International Classic in Fogin to me last night,

1700
01:29:17,507 --> 01:29:17,867
Speaker 3: down this.

1701
01:29:17,987 --> 01:29:22,067
Speaker 14: Back straight, three hundred ago, Sam Tanner, we saw it the.

1702
01:29:22,147 --> 01:29:24,947
Speaker 3: Nine of five's that checks. I'd argue this is where

1703
01:29:24,987 --> 01:29:29,027
Speaker 3: he wants to be. He's sitting very comfortable right now, Tanner.

1704
01:29:29,147 --> 01:29:33,907
Speaker 24: He looks relaxed. But don't underestimate Ruth as we see them.

1705
01:29:33,947 --> 01:29:36,747
Speaker 3: Mind out one fifty to go, Sam Me Sam.

1706
01:29:37,747 --> 01:29:38,427
Speaker 2: Here we go.

1707
01:29:38,627 --> 01:29:43,467
Speaker 26: Again, ladies and gentlemen, Sam Ruth, Samtana.

1708
01:29:43,547 --> 01:29:46,267
Speaker 3: Here he comes, Sham Tanner.

1709
01:29:46,787 --> 01:29:50,827
Speaker 25: Down the outside, the teacher.

1710
01:29:50,547 --> 01:29:51,747
Speaker 2: Gets one back over.

1711
01:29:51,707 --> 01:29:53,627
Speaker 3: The student and at three.

1712
01:29:53,427 --> 01:29:57,427
Speaker 14: Point fifty three, Oh my goodness, Sham Ruth's time though,

1713
01:29:58,227 --> 01:30:02,987
Speaker 14: Oh my, that is a huge personal best from Sam Ruth.

1714
01:30:03,347 --> 01:30:03,547
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1715
01:30:03,587 --> 01:30:06,187
Speaker 3: The last showdown against training partner and two time a

1716
01:30:06,347 --> 01:30:10,587
Speaker 3: COMPI and Sam Tanner did not disappoint. Tanner won the

1717
01:30:10,747 --> 01:30:14,387
Speaker 3: race in three minutes fifty three zero point three six seconds.

1718
01:30:14,867 --> 01:30:18,787
Speaker 3: Sam Ruth clock three fifty three eight three for second place,

1719
01:30:18,907 --> 01:30:23,347
Speaker 3: that time easily bettering the previous best world's time for

1720
01:30:23,467 --> 01:30:26,387
Speaker 3: a sixteen year old of three point fifty five forty

1721
01:30:26,507 --> 01:30:29,947
Speaker 3: four set by Australian Cam Myers in twenty twenty three.

1722
01:30:30,347 --> 01:30:34,027
Speaker 3: It also shaved a massive four and a half seconds

1723
01:30:34,667 --> 01:30:37,507
Speaker 3: of Sam Ruth's PB of three fifty eight thirty five.

1724
01:30:37,987 --> 01:30:41,107
Speaker 3: He ran that in Auckland last March, when he became

1725
01:30:41,187 --> 01:30:44,427
Speaker 3: the youngest person ever to break the four minute barrier.

1726
01:30:44,547 --> 01:30:49,387
Speaker 3: Ironically enough, he was paced by Sam Tanner on that night,

1727
01:30:49,867 --> 01:30:52,427
Speaker 3: Sarah Cary Ross and our very own Nick Beuley with

1728
01:30:52,507 --> 01:30:55,987
Speaker 3: the commentary you heard there. Nick afterwards went down to

1729
01:30:56,107 --> 01:30:58,667
Speaker 3: the side of the track and spoke with both Sam's

1730
01:30:58,987 --> 01:31:01,307
Speaker 3: first race winner, Sam Tanner.

1731
01:31:01,107 --> 01:31:03,347
Speaker 14: How are you feeling after last week and to this

1732
01:31:03,507 --> 01:31:05,187
Speaker 14: week in the way that you run your race and

1733
01:31:05,587 --> 01:31:06,867
Speaker 14: the time us to finish?

1734
01:31:07,147 --> 01:31:10,307
Speaker 23: Oh, the time was a little cheery on top this week.

1735
01:31:10,347 --> 01:31:12,507
Speaker 27: Actually I didn't look at the clock at all until

1736
01:31:12,827 --> 01:31:14,627
Speaker 27: someone told me we run through fifty three and so

1737
01:31:14,747 --> 01:31:17,387
Speaker 27: that was a nice little bonus. But to get the

1738
01:31:17,427 --> 01:31:19,307
Speaker 27: win is what I came here to do, and so

1739
01:31:19,387 --> 01:31:22,627
Speaker 27: it's nice to get over the top of Sammy again.

1740
01:31:22,867 --> 01:31:26,387
Speaker 27: So you know, this is probably a bit more my

1741
01:31:26,507 --> 01:31:28,947
Speaker 27: expertise than mile. So yeah, it's going to be a

1742
01:31:28,947 --> 01:31:30,667
Speaker 27: good next couple of weeks racing him over in the

1743
01:31:30,747 --> 01:31:31,467
Speaker 27: US that's for sure.

1744
01:31:31,707 --> 01:31:35,627
Speaker 14: Can you talk us through the last lap and the strategy,

1745
01:31:35,867 --> 01:31:38,387
Speaker 14: the execution was that always the planned well.

1746
01:31:38,787 --> 01:31:41,387
Speaker 27: Coming into the race, I didn't really know what the

1747
01:31:42,067 --> 01:31:44,347
Speaker 27: how would play out with the wind and how Sammy

1748
01:31:44,467 --> 01:31:45,987
Speaker 27: was feeling and if I knew he wanted to break

1749
01:31:46,027 --> 01:31:50,227
Speaker 27: that world under twenty record or whatever it is, and

1750
01:31:50,427 --> 01:31:52,307
Speaker 27: so I knew he wanted to go fast, and I

1751
01:31:52,467 --> 01:31:54,947
Speaker 27: was just like, if he wants to get on the pacer, cool,

1752
01:31:55,067 --> 01:31:57,347
Speaker 27: you know, it's a national championships for the both of us,

1753
01:31:57,427 --> 01:31:59,987
Speaker 27: and so I'm going to do what I can to

1754
01:32:00,347 --> 01:32:02,067
Speaker 27: help him out if he doesn't want to take the pace.

1755
01:32:02,147 --> 01:32:04,467
Speaker 27: But he took it and he was brave and helped

1756
01:32:04,507 --> 01:32:06,067
Speaker 27: me out at the same time, So I appreciate him,

1757
01:32:06,387 --> 01:32:09,147
Speaker 27: you know, do a mere favor a little bit at

1758
01:32:09,147 --> 01:32:09,627
Speaker 27: the same time.

1759
01:32:09,707 --> 01:32:12,867
Speaker 23: And yeah, as with wanted to go, I just was like, cool,

1760
01:32:13,067 --> 01:32:15,027
Speaker 23: now I've got this in the bag. It's nice to know.

1761
01:32:16,027 --> 01:32:19,187
Speaker 14: Does it reinstilled belief lows? The last week been a

1762
01:32:19,227 --> 01:32:21,427
Speaker 14: bit of a your kid spinning a little bit or

1763
01:32:21,547 --> 01:32:23,187
Speaker 14: is it always always been there?

1764
01:32:23,627 --> 01:32:25,427
Speaker 23: Well, yeah, I think it's always been there.

1765
01:32:25,427 --> 01:32:27,747
Speaker 27: The eight hundred was always a bit of a toss

1766
01:32:27,827 --> 01:32:30,227
Speaker 27: up whether or not my body would play ball because

1767
01:32:30,387 --> 01:32:33,627
Speaker 27: I haven't done anything that fast and over two years

1768
01:32:33,707 --> 01:32:34,987
Speaker 27: with my achilles being a bit sore.

1769
01:32:35,067 --> 01:32:39,107
Speaker 23: So it was nice to really just know that my achilles.

1770
01:32:38,707 --> 01:32:41,827
Speaker 27: Recovered really well after the eight hundred, and then you know,

1771
01:32:42,187 --> 01:32:44,667
Speaker 27: on Thursday and some strides and I'm like, oh, I

1772
01:32:44,747 --> 01:32:48,467
Speaker 27: feel fast again. So I knew this weekend, even going

1773
01:32:48,507 --> 01:32:50,107
Speaker 27: into this morning, I knew that this weekend was going

1774
01:32:50,187 --> 01:32:53,067
Speaker 27: to be a lot more comfortable than the eight hundred

1775
01:32:53,107 --> 01:32:53,507
Speaker 27: last week.

1776
01:32:54,307 --> 01:32:58,787
Speaker 14: Just the one word on your young Sam, like a

1777
01:32:58,827 --> 01:33:02,187
Speaker 14: three fifty three. I know you held those national junior records.

1778
01:33:02,387 --> 01:33:05,187
Speaker 14: Can you quite fathom what's happening at the moment?

1779
01:33:05,387 --> 01:33:05,547
Speaker 4: Oh?

1780
01:33:06,387 --> 01:33:09,467
Speaker 27: He can never fathom it, really, can you. I guess

1781
01:33:09,507 --> 01:33:11,747
Speaker 27: the best way to put it for the public is

1782
01:33:11,787 --> 01:33:15,827
Speaker 27: that he's just a freak talent. I was a freak talent,

1783
01:33:16,027 --> 01:33:19,787
Speaker 27: and he's out freaked me. You know, like he is

1784
01:33:20,027 --> 01:33:24,827
Speaker 27: the fastest in the world ever for under twenty and

1785
01:33:25,067 --> 01:33:29,147
Speaker 27: so he makes my phenomenal mark look pathetic, which is

1786
01:33:29,187 --> 01:33:31,907
Speaker 27: impressive to do, and so I take my hat off

1787
01:33:31,947 --> 01:33:32,187
Speaker 27: to him.

1788
01:33:32,187 --> 01:33:33,667
Speaker 23: And it kind of hit me.

1789
01:33:33,747 --> 01:33:37,787
Speaker 27: Last week that I've actually never raced someone in New Zealand.

1790
01:33:38,227 --> 01:33:40,707
Speaker 27: A key we at least with more talent than me

1791
01:33:41,227 --> 01:33:44,227
Speaker 27: at that at the present time. And and then I

1792
01:33:44,347 --> 01:33:47,067
Speaker 27: was like, Wow, I've met my match with talent here.

1793
01:33:47,147 --> 01:33:49,547
Speaker 27: So it's actually going to be exciting what he does

1794
01:33:49,587 --> 01:33:50,587
Speaker 27: over the next couple of years.

1795
01:33:51,027 --> 01:33:54,347
Speaker 14: Absolutely, and great win for the dad's out there like

1796
01:33:54,427 --> 01:33:58,907
Speaker 14: myself just quietly. Yeah, the next FORTNIGHTE just talk us

1797
01:33:58,947 --> 01:34:01,547
Speaker 14: through it. You've got some mile racing coming up in

1798
01:34:01,667 --> 01:34:04,787
Speaker 14: the States and some places where you know, some serious

1799
01:34:04,827 --> 01:34:07,067
Speaker 14: times to see it. How much you excited about that prospect.

1800
01:34:07,307 --> 01:34:08,067
Speaker 23: Oh, it's gonna be good.

1801
01:34:09,307 --> 01:34:12,347
Speaker 27: I think it's gonna be hard, leaving a little three

1802
01:34:12,427 --> 01:34:15,107
Speaker 27: months old behind and the wife, but I think my

1803
01:34:15,227 --> 01:34:17,267
Speaker 27: sleep will appreciate me for it, and the body will

1804
01:34:17,667 --> 01:34:19,347
Speaker 27: body will love the recovery side of things.

1805
01:34:20,267 --> 01:34:22,387
Speaker 23: But yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be exciting.

1806
01:34:22,427 --> 01:34:25,147
Speaker 27: We've got some pretty fast races lined up, so a

1807
01:34:25,227 --> 01:34:26,867
Speaker 27: couple of races in Boston, a couple of races in

1808
01:34:26,907 --> 01:34:30,307
Speaker 27: North Carolina, and racing the Olympic champ in North Carolina.

1809
01:34:30,347 --> 01:34:31,667
Speaker 23: So it should be should be good.

1810
01:34:32,187 --> 01:34:34,747
Speaker 14: Just on that, Like you're a three forty nine in

1811
01:34:34,787 --> 01:34:36,827
Speaker 14: the States. I think it was twenty twenty three prefontained.

1812
01:34:36,867 --> 01:34:38,747
Speaker 14: I do you feel like you can get to those

1813
01:34:38,867 --> 01:34:41,907
Speaker 14: sort of times. Is that in your and your sights?

1814
01:34:42,187 --> 01:34:44,787
Speaker 27: Yeah, you know, after running one forty five last week,

1815
01:34:45,787 --> 01:34:48,467
Speaker 27: as much as it annoyed me to be beat by

1816
01:34:48,507 --> 01:34:52,387
Speaker 27: little Sam, it was encouraging because I haven't been in

1817
01:34:52,467 --> 01:34:55,147
Speaker 27: the shape and have that much had have had that

1818
01:34:55,267 --> 01:34:57,987
Speaker 27: much speed and you know, since twenty twenty three, and

1819
01:34:58,107 --> 01:35:00,707
Speaker 27: so to fill that in training and to you know,

1820
01:35:00,827 --> 01:35:03,427
Speaker 27: come out here and run the fastest Cooks Garden Smile

1821
01:35:03,467 --> 01:35:07,147
Speaker 27: I've done ever, it's pretty enc and I think that

1822
01:35:07,507 --> 01:35:10,707
Speaker 27: you know, three forty eight or Willis's our walkers record

1823
01:35:10,787 --> 01:35:12,747
Speaker 27: or Allis's indoor record is definitely on the cards.

1824
01:35:13,147 --> 01:35:16,627
Speaker 14: And just lastly, just the vibe and the energy of

1825
01:35:16,667 --> 01:35:20,427
Speaker 14: this place. You've run plenty of miles here at Cooks,

1826
01:35:20,547 --> 01:35:23,267
Speaker 14: but the way the crowd got in behind the both

1827
01:35:23,267 --> 01:35:25,587
Speaker 14: of you, like our care was at the moment. Just

1828
01:35:25,627 --> 01:35:28,147
Speaker 14: the way that the this is capturing the public imagination

1829
01:35:28,307 --> 01:35:30,907
Speaker 14: beyond the usual track and field community.

1830
01:35:31,147 --> 01:35:34,907
Speaker 27: Yeah, it's amazing. You know, it's cool to see you know,

1831
01:35:35,067 --> 01:35:37,667
Speaker 27: media like yourself getting behind us too, and we always

1832
01:35:37,707 --> 01:35:40,187
Speaker 27: appreciate that from from a sponsorship point of view, from

1833
01:35:40,187 --> 01:35:43,587
Speaker 27: a viewership point of view, just from an athletics, you know,

1834
01:35:43,747 --> 01:35:46,187
Speaker 27: hype kind of point of view. It's so good and

1835
01:35:46,507 --> 01:35:48,187
Speaker 27: it's awesome to share the sport that I love and

1836
01:35:48,267 --> 01:35:51,387
Speaker 27: that we love, and it's awesome to see Kiwis getting

1837
01:35:51,387 --> 01:35:53,067
Speaker 27: behind Keiwi's as well on the world stage and.

1838
01:35:53,147 --> 01:35:56,307
Speaker 14: Locally someone comes sponsor. Thanks Sam Tanner, all the best

1839
01:35:56,307 --> 01:35:57,147
Speaker 14: in the next couple of weeks.

1840
01:35:58,907 --> 01:36:01,907
Speaker 3: That is Sam Tanner, obviously with Nick Billy, who also

1841
01:36:02,107 --> 01:36:05,427
Speaker 3: spoke to the other Sam Sam Ruth about his latest

1842
01:36:05,507 --> 01:36:07,787
Speaker 3: world record, Sam Routh.

1843
01:36:07,867 --> 01:36:10,067
Speaker 14: Three point fifty three here at Cook's Gardens, the home

1844
01:36:10,147 --> 01:36:13,467
Speaker 14: of the mile. Took us through your immediate reaction to

1845
01:36:13,587 --> 01:36:15,387
Speaker 14: such a blistering time.

1846
01:36:15,987 --> 01:36:18,627
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean my immediate reaction was I saw Tanner

1847
01:36:18,707 --> 01:36:20,787
Speaker 25: coming around me and I was like, wow, this is

1848
01:36:20,947 --> 01:36:21,827
Speaker 25: this is a great race.

1849
01:36:21,907 --> 01:36:22,827
Speaker 9: You know. That's that.

1850
01:36:24,507 --> 01:36:25,827
Speaker 25: That's what I was coming here to do, was just

1851
01:36:25,907 --> 01:36:28,027
Speaker 25: have a great race and the time would just come naturally.

1852
01:36:28,387 --> 01:36:29,827
Speaker 25: And I got put in the front and I was like,

1853
01:36:30,227 --> 01:36:33,227
Speaker 25: you know, I haven't ever tried dropping Tanner the endurance

1854
01:36:33,267 --> 01:36:35,267
Speaker 25: where you know, I may as I test that out

1855
01:36:35,307 --> 01:36:37,307
Speaker 25: because we're going to have a lot more racist together.

1856
01:36:37,347 --> 01:36:38,747
Speaker 23: I need to figure out what works for me.

1857
01:36:39,707 --> 01:36:42,427
Speaker 14: Was that always the plan was a little bit different

1858
01:36:42,467 --> 01:36:44,627
Speaker 14: seven days ago was sort of a role reversal.

1859
01:36:45,347 --> 01:36:46,107
Speaker 23: Yeah, definitely.

1860
01:36:46,347 --> 01:36:49,267
Speaker 25: I mean I think I would plan to Tanner having

1861
01:36:49,307 --> 01:36:51,267
Speaker 25: it as a fast race, you know, seeing as I

1862
01:36:51,347 --> 01:36:53,147
Speaker 25: had just been him in the eight hundred. So it

1863
01:36:53,227 --> 01:36:55,387
Speaker 25: was an interesting tactic for me. But you know, I

1864
01:36:55,507 --> 01:36:56,867
Speaker 25: just wanted to give it a go and see what's

1865
01:36:56,907 --> 01:37:00,107
Speaker 25: out there. So the role the role was, I think

1866
01:37:00,147 --> 01:37:01,627
Speaker 25: he was going to take it out, but I found

1867
01:37:01,627 --> 01:37:03,227
Speaker 25: myself in the front and I was like, mad as,

1868
01:37:03,267 --> 01:37:03,827
Speaker 25: I'll give us.

1869
01:37:03,747 --> 01:37:05,867
Speaker 23: A crack when you heard that time.

1870
01:37:06,067 --> 01:37:08,947
Speaker 14: And I know there's been a lot of records setting

1871
01:37:08,947 --> 01:37:11,867
Speaker 14: in the last twelve months, but another world age lead

1872
01:37:11,987 --> 01:37:13,947
Speaker 14: for a sixteen year old that you've got one over

1873
01:37:14,027 --> 01:37:16,067
Speaker 14: cam Myers, Now, how does that feel?

1874
01:37:16,707 --> 01:37:17,707
Speaker 23: Yeah, no, it feels good.

1875
01:37:17,787 --> 01:37:19,587
Speaker 25: I mean he just opened the season with a three

1876
01:37:19,707 --> 01:37:21,747
Speaker 25: forty nine, which is a flying time.

1877
01:37:21,827 --> 01:37:21,987
Speaker 14: You know.

1878
01:37:22,147 --> 01:37:23,827
Speaker 25: I hope to I definitely hope to be like him

1879
01:37:23,867 --> 01:37:25,747
Speaker 25: when i'm his age, and I hope you're have in

1880
01:37:25,907 --> 01:37:27,827
Speaker 25: some races with him. If I'm being honest, you know,

1881
01:37:27,947 --> 01:37:30,347
Speaker 25: he's here in Oceany, and I really want to get

1882
01:37:30,347 --> 01:37:32,147
Speaker 25: to the level where I can be quite competitive with them.

1883
01:37:32,947 --> 01:37:34,187
Speaker 23: I know, we were immediately after.

1884
01:37:34,267 --> 01:37:37,387
Speaker 2: But what what do you think you're capable of?

1885
01:37:38,267 --> 01:37:40,067
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think I can definitely run quite a bit

1886
01:37:40,147 --> 01:37:42,347
Speaker 25: faster than that, because I think I was like fifty

1887
01:37:42,387 --> 01:37:45,227
Speaker 25: four first lap. You know, it was quite windy. We've

1888
01:37:45,227 --> 01:37:48,067
Speaker 25: got four more races which are all indoors, so you know,

1889
01:37:48,227 --> 01:37:50,867
Speaker 25: I usual, I usually see progression and my races like

1890
01:37:50,907 --> 01:37:53,907
Speaker 25: every race like usually gets slightly better, and i'd like

1891
01:37:54,027 --> 01:37:56,427
Speaker 25: to you know, I can quite comfortably say I'll be

1892
01:37:56,507 --> 01:37:59,907
Speaker 25: running faster and four weeks or even my next race,

1893
01:38:00,587 --> 01:38:03,787
Speaker 25: as long as my body stays healthy and recovered. So yeah,

1894
01:38:04,067 --> 01:38:06,667
Speaker 25: hopefully get down too, like three point fifty one JAD

1895
01:38:06,827 --> 01:38:07,547
Speaker 25: somewhere around there.

1896
01:38:07,987 --> 01:38:09,747
Speaker 14: And how cool to see, you know, someone like Rod

1897
01:38:09,867 --> 01:38:12,547
Speaker 14: Dixon at the end. There's such a legacy in middle

1898
01:38:12,587 --> 01:38:15,147
Speaker 14: distance running in this country. You and Sam Tanner are

1899
01:38:15,427 --> 01:38:17,507
Speaker 14: adding to that here at the Home of the Mile.

1900
01:38:18,587 --> 01:38:18,787
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1901
01:38:18,907 --> 01:38:20,427
Speaker 25: No, it's so good, you know, to be doing it

1902
01:38:20,467 --> 01:38:22,747
Speaker 25: with Tanner's so much funner too. You know, when you're

1903
01:38:22,787 --> 01:38:25,427
Speaker 25: doing it by yourself, that's your memory is always made

1904
01:38:25,467 --> 01:38:28,107
Speaker 25: with people around you, and you know when someone like

1905
01:38:28,267 --> 01:38:30,467
Speaker 25: Tanner's around me, the memories are so much better. And

1906
01:38:30,547 --> 01:38:32,747
Speaker 25: you know, running is just so much more enjoyable.

1907
01:38:32,587 --> 01:38:35,347
Speaker 14: And just lastly, the United States, can you just talk

1908
01:38:35,427 --> 01:38:37,027
Speaker 14: us through what's ahead?

1909
01:38:37,107 --> 01:38:40,427
Speaker 23: What would you like to achieve? Yeah, I mean I'm running.

1910
01:38:40,667 --> 01:38:43,627
Speaker 25: I'm running only miles over there, so I've got one

1911
01:38:43,707 --> 01:38:47,867
Speaker 25: mile every every Saturday, which should be good. I'm heading

1912
01:38:47,907 --> 01:38:50,227
Speaker 25: to Boston first, which is meant to be the fastest

1913
01:38:50,267 --> 01:38:52,787
Speaker 25: indoor track, so hopefully run real fast there. Then I'm

1914
01:38:52,787 --> 01:38:55,627
Speaker 25: going down to North Carolina for one or two races

1915
01:38:55,627 --> 01:38:58,107
Speaker 25: and then back up to Boston. So yeah, it should

1916
01:38:58,107 --> 01:38:58,387
Speaker 25: be good.

1917
01:38:58,707 --> 01:39:01,307
Speaker 23: Back to school, Yeah, back to school.

1918
01:39:01,307 --> 01:39:03,907
Speaker 25: I'll be a bit behind by then, but be very interesting.

1919
01:39:04,107 --> 01:39:07,067
Speaker 3: That is Sam Ruth. You forget how young is year twelve.

1920
01:39:07,147 --> 01:39:09,787
Speaker 3: He's going to year twelve. That's sixth form and the

1921
01:39:09,827 --> 01:39:13,907
Speaker 3: old money. Incredible what he's doing, incredible rivalry and hearing

1922
01:39:13,987 --> 01:39:16,387
Speaker 3: Sam Tanner talk there as well about how it's elevated

1923
01:39:16,427 --> 01:39:20,627
Speaker 3: the entire sport of track and field. You need storylines

1924
01:39:21,187 --> 01:39:26,067
Speaker 3: like this, and this is just a terrific rivalry that

1925
01:39:26,307 --> 01:39:30,467
Speaker 3: is developing or has developed every time these two run

1926
01:39:30,547 --> 01:39:34,467
Speaker 3: against one another. Now it just increases the eyeballs. I

1927
01:39:34,587 --> 01:39:36,667
Speaker 3: was watching the live stream last night with Nick and

1928
01:39:37,067 --> 01:39:39,907
Speaker 3: Sarah Cali Rosschi that did a great job of commentating

1929
01:39:39,987 --> 01:39:41,947
Speaker 3: that and all of the other sport, all the other

1930
01:39:42,187 --> 01:39:45,347
Speaker 3: events as well, and they were saying that, you know,

1931
01:39:45,507 --> 01:39:48,067
Speaker 3: people were turning up just for that race at the ends,

1932
01:39:48,427 --> 01:39:50,227
Speaker 3: and that's cool. You know, you'd obviously rather they were

1933
01:39:50,227 --> 01:39:52,107
Speaker 3: there the whole time. But anyone who comes along to

1934
01:39:52,147 --> 01:39:55,227
Speaker 3: watch track and field, or consumes it or just is

1935
01:39:55,307 --> 01:39:58,307
Speaker 3: aware of it, is a good thing for the sport

1936
01:39:58,347 --> 01:40:02,627
Speaker 3: of athletics. So yeah, terrific to see the two Sam's

1937
01:40:02,627 --> 01:40:05,827
Speaker 3: the late latest rivalry. Greex's point. Hi made a point

1938
01:40:05,827 --> 01:40:07,947
Speaker 3: to watch the end High Meet last night. Certainly not

1939
01:40:08,067 --> 01:40:11,187
Speaker 3: a follower of athletics, but great to see these two

1940
01:40:11,267 --> 01:40:15,027
Speaker 3: New Zealanders battling it out with world class times. Great

1941
01:40:15,067 --> 01:40:17,067
Speaker 3: to see Rod Dixon there enjoying this spect to God

1942
01:40:17,067 --> 01:40:18,787
Speaker 3: as well. Good on you, Greg. Yeah, look, I think

1943
01:40:18,827 --> 01:40:23,467
Speaker 3: that's exactly what I'm just talking about. A discretionary fan,

1944
01:40:23,547 --> 01:40:26,547
Speaker 3: if we want to call you that, Greg, somebody who

1945
01:40:26,627 --> 01:40:28,987
Speaker 3: might not ordinarily tune in for a meat like this,

1946
01:40:29,187 --> 01:40:32,587
Speaker 3: but because of the Sam v Sam, you know, you

1947
01:40:33,067 --> 01:40:35,827
Speaker 3: jump aboard and you're while you're there, you're watching other

1948
01:40:36,707 --> 01:40:40,267
Speaker 3: emerging athletes as well. Terrific stuff. Not the last will

1949
01:40:40,347 --> 01:40:44,027
Speaker 3: here of the two SAMs. I'm sure for the foreseeable future.

1950
01:40:44,667 --> 01:40:47,867
Speaker 3: Just on the fast medium medium fast argument. Nathan has

1951
01:40:47,867 --> 01:40:49,787
Speaker 3: broken it down this way, Piney, It's medium one hundred

1952
01:40:49,827 --> 01:40:53,827
Speaker 3: and thirty k medium fast one thirty five fast medium

1953
01:40:53,947 --> 01:40:59,787
Speaker 3: one forty fast one five Thanks Nathan, nice and easily digestible.

1954
01:41:00,267 --> 01:41:04,107
Speaker 3: Two twenty four. Well from athletes running quickly on two

1955
01:41:04,227 --> 01:41:08,107
Speaker 3: legs to horses running quickly on all four, well written

1956
01:41:08,467 --> 01:41:12,947
Speaker 3: is the latest name turning heads in New Zealand racing circles.

1957
01:41:13,187 --> 01:41:16,387
Speaker 3: She blitzed them again last night on Ellesley. Her trainer

1958
01:41:16,427 --> 01:41:18,307
Speaker 3: Stephen marsh is next on Weekend Sport.

1959
01:41:19,747 --> 01:41:22,627
Speaker 1: You be the TMO hand your say on eight hundred

1960
01:41:22,627 --> 01:41:27,467
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hin and GJ. Garvnerholmes,

1961
01:41:27,667 --> 01:41:30,387
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs, there'd be.

1962
01:41:30,747 --> 01:41:33,667
Speaker 3: Two twenty seven New Zealand has a new racing superstar

1963
01:41:33,907 --> 01:41:34,947
Speaker 3: down three hundred ago.

1964
01:41:35,107 --> 01:41:38,507
Speaker 17: He Who Dares here comes well written out after and

1965
01:41:38,627 --> 01:41:40,587
Speaker 17: now two weeks away War Princess.

1966
01:41:40,987 --> 01:41:42,747
Speaker 3: Further back then of the Laderada.

1967
01:41:43,027 --> 01:41:44,147
Speaker 24: It's well written in He.

1968
01:41:44,227 --> 01:41:47,347
Speaker 16: Who Dares, but well written two passed away.

1969
01:41:47,707 --> 01:41:48,907
Speaker 3: Oh, have a look at new.

1970
01:41:48,867 --> 01:41:52,987
Speaker 17: Jealous next rating Superstow well Written, she is our best seller.

1971
01:41:53,267 --> 01:41:57,027
Speaker 3: She has absolutely bulked in Yeah well Written, putting her

1972
01:41:57,107 --> 01:41:59,027
Speaker 3: unbeaten record on the line in the cutak a million

1973
01:41:59,107 --> 01:42:01,867
Speaker 3: three year old race at Allelie last night, delivering an

1974
01:42:01,947 --> 01:42:05,627
Speaker 3: explosive victory which blew away her rivals and set the

1975
01:42:05,747 --> 01:42:08,147
Speaker 3: racing well the lights. She was the hot favorite entering

1976
01:42:08,227 --> 01:42:10,987
Speaker 3: the race. Well Written found herself crowded at the top

1977
01:42:11,027 --> 01:42:13,947
Speaker 3: of the strait, but weaved her way through traffic before

1978
01:42:14,027 --> 01:42:18,387
Speaker 3: unleashing a devastating sprint that left her rivals in her wake.

1979
01:42:18,507 --> 01:42:22,907
Speaker 3: Her emphatic win by an ever increasing six length margin,

1980
01:42:23,307 --> 01:42:25,827
Speaker 3: which takes her to five wins and five starts, had

1981
01:42:25,947 --> 01:42:29,227
Speaker 3: racing fans at Adelsley on their feet, cheering the arrival

1982
01:42:29,427 --> 01:42:33,747
Speaker 3: of a new star. Well Written's trainer is Stephen Marsh.

1983
01:42:33,827 --> 01:42:37,347
Speaker 3: He joins us now, huge congratulations, Stephen, did well Written

1984
01:42:37,907 --> 01:42:40,347
Speaker 3: exceed your expectations with this win?

1985
01:42:41,707 --> 01:42:43,827
Speaker 11: Yeah looks thanks having me on. Look, I think you're

1986
01:42:43,827 --> 01:42:45,787
Speaker 11: summed up pretty well exactly what you said.

1987
01:42:46,667 --> 01:42:47,427
Speaker 6: She look, she did.

1988
01:42:48,387 --> 01:42:50,067
Speaker 11: You sort of hope they wouldn't like that, but you

1989
01:42:50,107 --> 01:42:53,907
Speaker 11: don't expect it. But look, in the end she was

1990
01:42:53,987 --> 01:42:56,067
Speaker 11: dominant and you're right, she was a bit tight for room,

1991
01:42:56,147 --> 01:42:58,467
Speaker 11: bit crowded, but you know when she got through, Jesse

1992
01:42:59,347 --> 01:43:03,507
Speaker 11: just was a devastating turner foot and very very exciting

1993
01:43:03,587 --> 01:43:03,867
Speaker 11: to see.

1994
01:43:04,347 --> 01:43:07,107
Speaker 3: How confident were you heading into this race?

1995
01:43:08,267 --> 01:43:09,867
Speaker 11: Oh, look, very very confident.

1996
01:43:10,547 --> 01:43:10,947
Speaker 17: I thought.

1997
01:43:11,027 --> 01:43:13,787
Speaker 11: Actually her last she was a little bit vulnerable. She's

1998
01:43:14,707 --> 01:43:16,947
Speaker 11: sort of in need of a run. She had a

1999
01:43:16,987 --> 01:43:20,187
Speaker 11: heap of improvements. I thought she could win two starts back,

2000
01:43:21,427 --> 01:43:23,427
Speaker 11: but be struggling to be to you know, sort of

2001
01:43:23,547 --> 01:43:27,747
Speaker 11: again very next couple after that, and we were very confident.

2002
01:43:27,867 --> 01:43:30,307
Speaker 11: But look, you don't well you don't see horses when

2003
01:43:30,387 --> 01:43:32,027
Speaker 11: not that often. I guess it's the big thing.

2004
01:43:32,907 --> 01:43:33,307
Speaker 17: But it was.

2005
01:43:33,387 --> 01:43:35,147
Speaker 11: Look, it was very very pleasing and.

2006
01:43:37,507 --> 01:43:37,867
Speaker 18: Excited.

2007
01:43:38,067 --> 01:43:41,027
Speaker 3: I bet it was. I bet it wasn't see the footage.

2008
01:43:41,067 --> 01:43:44,507
Speaker 3: It just looks incredible. You've trained a lot of horses.

2009
01:43:45,067 --> 01:43:46,427
Speaker 3: What makes her so good?

2010
01:43:48,067 --> 01:43:51,267
Speaker 11: Well, she's just got an electric turn of foot. You know,

2011
01:43:51,427 --> 01:43:55,507
Speaker 11: her sprint is phenomenal, like you see you see yesterday,

2012
01:43:55,667 --> 01:43:57,867
Speaker 11: Like for one part of it, she's in a bit

2013
01:43:57,907 --> 01:44:00,547
Speaker 11: of a tight gap and you're worried that she's going

2014
01:44:00,627 --> 01:44:03,147
Speaker 11: to get through and win. Next thing, she's got two

2015
01:44:03,227 --> 01:44:06,387
Speaker 11: or three links. She's sprinted two or three links in

2016
01:44:06,427 --> 01:44:09,307
Speaker 11: front of him. She's got good tactical speed, she can

2017
01:44:09,347 --> 01:44:13,227
Speaker 11: get herself out of tight situations and looks she's just

2018
01:44:13,267 --> 01:44:14,587
Speaker 11: got such a good temperament.

2019
01:44:14,747 --> 01:44:15,867
Speaker 3: She just loves the game.

2020
01:44:16,027 --> 01:44:20,347
Speaker 11: She's quiet, she's the ultimate race source. Basically you need

2021
01:44:20,427 --> 01:44:20,907
Speaker 11: more of them.

2022
01:44:21,307 --> 01:44:26,107
Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, well greatly you've uncovered well written. Has she

2023
01:44:26,267 --> 01:44:28,347
Speaker 3: got improvement in her?

2024
01:44:29,387 --> 01:44:29,587
Speaker 25: Wow?

2025
01:44:29,707 --> 01:44:34,667
Speaker 11: Look they always improved a little bit more times. I

2026
01:44:34,707 --> 01:44:37,147
Speaker 11: don't know she's got improven in her, but she does

2027
01:44:37,267 --> 01:44:40,147
Speaker 11: with a better watch out. But yeah, look she'll just

2028
01:44:40,227 --> 01:44:41,907
Speaker 11: keep getting better and better. I mean, as a four

2029
01:44:41,987 --> 01:44:46,387
Speaker 11: year old she should be physically better again. But now

2030
01:44:46,427 --> 01:44:48,187
Speaker 11: what she's doing at the moment's pretty phenomenal.

2031
01:44:48,667 --> 01:44:50,947
Speaker 3: Can you confirm that she won't race again now until

2032
01:44:51,027 --> 01:44:54,787
Speaker 3: the entered b KIWI in early March at Ellieslie? Will

2033
01:44:54,827 --> 01:44:55,987
Speaker 3: that she won't race again.

2034
01:44:55,867 --> 01:44:59,547
Speaker 11: Till then, No, she won't race till then. Look, she

2035
01:44:59,667 --> 01:45:02,747
Speaker 11: may have a barrier trial. She'll certainly go and have

2036
01:45:02,827 --> 01:45:05,667
Speaker 11: a gallop. You know, she'll have a look around Ellisie,

2037
01:45:05,667 --> 01:45:07,947
Speaker 11: another gallop at her. He just just to basically give

2038
01:45:07,987 --> 01:45:09,987
Speaker 11: her a little out and to keep her fitness up.

2039
01:45:10,067 --> 01:45:12,427
Speaker 11: But certainly won't have a race, but yeah, there could

2040
01:45:12,467 --> 01:45:13,867
Speaker 11: be a quiet barrier trial involved.

2041
01:45:14,147 --> 01:45:16,027
Speaker 3: And then what Steven, what is the plan as a

2042
01:45:16,027 --> 01:45:19,067
Speaker 3: four year old? You know, Golden Eagle in October?

2043
01:45:19,187 --> 01:45:19,947
Speaker 16: Is that on your radar?

2044
01:45:20,507 --> 01:45:22,947
Speaker 11: Well, it's looking for four year olds worth ten million,

2045
01:45:22,987 --> 01:45:26,907
Speaker 11: it's certainly, it's certainly very high on the radar. It's look,

2046
01:45:26,947 --> 01:45:29,907
Speaker 11: it's a race you've got to look at. The money's

2047
01:45:29,987 --> 01:45:34,587
Speaker 11: just well, it's it's ridiculous really and it could be

2048
01:45:34,627 --> 01:45:36,787
Speaker 11: a perfect race for your So look, that's certainly on

2049
01:45:36,947 --> 01:45:40,547
Speaker 11: our and our thoughts at the moment. But we'll get

2050
01:45:40,587 --> 01:45:43,307
Speaker 11: our we'll get our the Kiwi ends b kiv out

2051
01:45:43,307 --> 01:45:46,187
Speaker 11: of the way and then we'll we'll hopefully be putting

2052
01:45:46,227 --> 01:45:47,267
Speaker 11: a plath to that race.

2053
01:45:47,707 --> 01:45:51,507
Speaker 3: How were the celebrations last night, Well, to be honest.

2054
01:45:51,387 --> 01:45:55,427
Speaker 11: Very cold with a big with a big Dan sales

2055
01:45:55,507 --> 01:46:00,147
Speaker 11: today you just can't you know, we're we're selling nearly

2056
01:46:00,147 --> 01:46:03,267
Speaker 11: three hundred horses to the sales, so you can't really

2057
01:46:03,347 --> 01:46:06,787
Speaker 11: play up. But I'm sure we'll enjoy a drink or

2058
01:46:06,867 --> 01:46:11,107
Speaker 11: two and the coming and the coming week.

2059
01:46:11,267 --> 01:46:12,907
Speaker 3: Yeah a well deserved one as well. And yeah, you

2060
01:46:12,987 --> 01:46:15,347
Speaker 3: need a clear head for what you're up to today, Steven,

2061
01:46:15,387 --> 01:46:17,027
Speaker 3: and by the sounds of it. You've got it. I'll

2062
01:46:17,067 --> 01:46:17,867
Speaker 3: let you get back to it.

2063
01:46:17,947 --> 01:46:18,147
Speaker 11: Mate.

2064
01:46:18,147 --> 01:46:21,107
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us in congrats on this latest chapter

2065
01:46:21,747 --> 01:46:23,467
Speaker 3: in the life of this incredible horse.

2066
01:46:24,067 --> 01:46:25,787
Speaker 11: No, I really appreciate it and thanks for having me on.

2067
01:46:25,947 --> 01:46:28,347
Speaker 3: No, thank you for joining us. Stephen Stephen Marsh, trainer

2068
01:46:28,467 --> 01:46:32,587
Speaker 3: of well Written. That is well. We're talking about remembering names.

2069
01:46:33,227 --> 01:46:36,547
Speaker 3: I would remember that name well Written. Five from five

2070
01:46:36,667 --> 01:46:40,667
Speaker 3: now in just an incredible victory in the Cuttaka million

2071
01:46:40,947 --> 01:46:44,387
Speaker 3: three year old race at Allesleie last night. Got to

2072
01:46:44,427 --> 01:46:46,547
Speaker 3: get to American Sport in the next little while. But

2073
01:46:46,667 --> 01:46:49,347
Speaker 3: the Wellington Phoenix woman back in A League action this afternoon.

2074
01:46:49,427 --> 01:46:51,707
Speaker 3: They take on Adelaide United Potty to a part from

2075
01:46:51,787 --> 01:46:54,667
Speaker 3: four o'clock. As I mentioned before, a win would lift

2076
01:46:54,707 --> 01:46:58,387
Speaker 3: them to second place on the table after eleven of

2077
01:46:58,547 --> 01:47:02,467
Speaker 3: their twenty regular season matches. It's also a milestone match

2078
01:47:02,987 --> 01:47:07,107
Speaker 3: for Phoenix utility Maniah Elliott. Today is her fiftieth A

2079
01:47:07,267 --> 01:47:09,707
Speaker 3: League match. I spoke with her during the week about

2080
01:47:09,747 --> 01:47:11,627
Speaker 3: that and asked if she remembered much about her A

2081
01:47:11,787 --> 01:47:13,947
Speaker 3: League debut three seasons ago.

2082
01:47:14,187 --> 01:47:14,747
Speaker 14: Yeah, it can.

2083
01:47:14,867 --> 01:47:18,587
Speaker 4: Surprisingly, it feels like yesterday, even though yeah, three seasons

2084
01:47:18,787 --> 01:47:21,667
Speaker 4: has gone by, and I curn't really believe it's fifty,

2085
01:47:21,787 --> 01:47:24,947
Speaker 4: but yeah, I started the very first game of the

2086
01:47:25,267 --> 01:47:28,667
Speaker 4: twenty three twenty four season and I was a bit

2087
01:47:28,747 --> 01:47:31,947
Speaker 4: shocked to be starting, but Paul put the trust in

2088
01:47:32,067 --> 01:47:34,307
Speaker 4: me for that one, and yeah, it was come a

2089
01:47:34,347 --> 01:47:35,147
Speaker 4: long way since then.

2090
01:47:35,467 --> 01:47:38,787
Speaker 3: In the following we think your first goal against Western Sydney,

2091
01:47:38,787 --> 01:47:39,947
Speaker 3: you might have come off the bench that day. Do

2092
01:47:39,987 --> 01:47:42,347
Speaker 3: you remember how fondly do you remember your first goal

2093
01:47:42,387 --> 01:47:42,827
Speaker 3: for the club?

2094
01:47:43,187 --> 01:47:46,627
Speaker 4: Yeah, the away game against Western Sydney. I think I

2095
01:47:46,747 --> 01:47:49,107
Speaker 4: came off the bench and the team had good momentum.

2096
01:47:49,267 --> 01:47:51,347
Speaker 4: I think Macy and I linked up for maybe her

2097
01:47:51,427 --> 01:47:54,067
Speaker 4: goal and my goal, so yeah, it was cool, especially

2098
01:47:54,147 --> 01:47:57,347
Speaker 4: doing it alongside her. She was also playing her second

2099
01:47:57,427 --> 01:47:59,747
Speaker 4: game ever in the A League, so yeah, that was special.

2100
01:48:00,227 --> 01:48:02,027
Speaker 3: How different a player do you think you are now

2101
01:48:02,147 --> 01:48:05,107
Speaker 3: compared to you were compared to the miniaria Let that

2102
01:48:05,147 --> 01:48:07,227
Speaker 3: you know debut for the Phoenix what three seasons ago?

2103
01:48:08,027 --> 01:48:08,747
Speaker 23: A lot has.

2104
01:48:08,707 --> 01:48:10,947
Speaker 4: Changed, I think on the field and probably off the

2105
01:48:11,027 --> 01:48:14,067
Speaker 4: field too. I've learned so much I think about myself

2106
01:48:14,187 --> 01:48:16,867
Speaker 4: in these last three seasons. So yeah, it's been cool

2107
01:48:16,987 --> 01:48:19,067
Speaker 4: growing with the girls that have come through at the

2108
01:48:19,107 --> 01:48:22,147
Speaker 4: same time as me and then seeing for example Macy

2109
01:48:22,227 --> 01:48:25,147
Speaker 4: that's gone away and come back and her development too.

2110
01:48:25,227 --> 01:48:27,027
Speaker 4: I think I can learn a lot from the people

2111
01:48:27,107 --> 01:48:29,227
Speaker 4: that have come in and those that are still on

2112
01:48:29,267 --> 01:48:31,187
Speaker 4: the journey with me, And I think it's.

2113
01:48:31,067 --> 01:48:34,307
Speaker 3: A pretty even split between starts and impact amongst twenty

2114
01:48:34,347 --> 01:48:37,267
Speaker 3: five and twenty four up till now. You know, how

2115
01:48:37,307 --> 01:48:40,067
Speaker 3: have you adjusted to starting roles but also to impact

2116
01:48:40,147 --> 01:48:41,587
Speaker 3: roles during your time here.

2117
01:48:42,427 --> 01:48:44,027
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's one of the big things that

2118
01:48:44,067 --> 01:48:46,027
Speaker 4: I've learned is how to play my role in the team.

2119
01:48:46,227 --> 01:48:48,427
Speaker 4: I know that I can make an impact off the bench,

2120
01:48:48,507 --> 01:48:52,147
Speaker 4: but also put myself out there when I'm starting. It

2121
01:48:52,307 --> 01:48:54,707
Speaker 4: is hard going through, like the fluctuations of when you

2122
01:48:54,827 --> 01:48:57,347
Speaker 4: are starting and when you're not sometimes can dip in

2123
01:48:57,427 --> 01:49:00,787
Speaker 4: your confidence. But yeah, I've learned to make an impact

2124
01:49:00,867 --> 01:49:02,667
Speaker 4: off the bench. I think some of my better games

2125
01:49:02,707 --> 01:49:04,987
Speaker 4: have been off the bench, so I need to remember

2126
01:49:05,027 --> 01:49:05,867
Speaker 4: that in the future too.

2127
01:49:06,667 --> 01:49:08,827
Speaker 3: In touch Water, I mean, you've been pretty much injury free.

2128
01:49:09,507 --> 01:49:12,547
Speaker 3: Worked out that the club's played fifty five games since

2129
01:49:12,587 --> 01:49:15,667
Speaker 3: you've been here, and you've played in forty nine of them,

2130
01:49:15,827 --> 01:49:18,427
Speaker 3: so you've been available pretty much all the time. What's

2131
01:49:18,467 --> 01:49:20,587
Speaker 3: been the I don't want to jinx this. What's been

2132
01:49:20,627 --> 01:49:22,827
Speaker 3: the secret of staying fit and available?

2133
01:49:23,627 --> 01:49:25,467
Speaker 4: I mean I could put it back to so many

2134
01:49:25,507 --> 01:49:28,467
Speaker 4: things in my childhood, that the way I was raised

2135
01:49:28,507 --> 01:49:32,187
Speaker 4: with so many different sports, and I think the yeah,

2136
01:49:32,267 --> 01:49:34,787
Speaker 4: steadiness I have in my body. But obviously we have

2137
01:49:34,907 --> 01:49:37,627
Speaker 4: some amazing staff. Karen has kept us fit in the gym,

2138
01:49:37,827 --> 01:49:41,227
Speaker 4: and yeah, I think being available available for all of

2139
01:49:41,307 --> 01:49:43,587
Speaker 4: the games that I have been has been awesome. I

2140
01:49:43,667 --> 01:49:46,027
Speaker 4: think it was every single game last season, which was

2141
01:49:46,707 --> 01:49:49,667
Speaker 4: pretty awesome. I think Paul credited a few of us

2142
01:49:49,827 --> 01:49:52,627
Speaker 4: that we were available for so many of them. So yeah,

2143
01:49:53,587 --> 01:49:56,627
Speaker 4: I put it down to my past and also Karen

2144
01:49:56,667 --> 01:49:57,747
Speaker 4: in the gym has been great.

2145
01:49:58,227 --> 01:50:01,147
Speaker 3: So Game forty nine was a very good performance and

2146
01:50:01,467 --> 01:50:04,307
Speaker 3: result for the team, winning too nil away at Canberra.

2147
01:50:04,387 --> 01:50:05,907
Speaker 3: How important was it to get that one on the

2148
01:50:05,987 --> 01:50:08,067
Speaker 3: road off the back of the defeat the previous week.

2149
01:50:08,787 --> 01:50:11,347
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Phoenix have always struggled on the road,

2150
01:50:11,467 --> 01:50:13,187
Speaker 4: so I think it was it was good to know

2151
01:50:13,347 --> 01:50:16,307
Speaker 4: that we can do that on the road, especially the

2152
01:50:16,387 --> 01:50:19,187
Speaker 4: long trip to Canberra. It can take it out of us.

2153
01:50:19,307 --> 01:50:21,907
Speaker 4: So yeah, knowing that we can do that when we're

2154
01:50:21,947 --> 01:50:25,147
Speaker 4: away was good. For the momentum and should be good

2155
01:50:25,227 --> 01:50:26,507
Speaker 4: for going into the next gaming.

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01:50:26,547 --> 01:50:28,587
Speaker 3: It's adelaide I should go deep into a game like that.

2157
01:50:28,667 --> 01:50:30,707
Speaker 3: I think it's eighty five minutes, you know, still know

2158
01:50:30,867 --> 01:50:33,747
Speaker 3: all you're playing against ten Did it start to feel

2159
01:50:33,787 --> 01:50:35,667
Speaker 3: like that goal wasn't coming or did you always have

2160
01:50:35,787 --> 01:50:37,907
Speaker 3: faith that you would be able to break through and

2161
01:50:38,027 --> 01:50:38,547
Speaker 3: win the game.

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01:50:39,107 --> 01:50:40,907
Speaker 4: I think a few of us almost lost track of

2163
01:50:40,987 --> 01:50:43,547
Speaker 4: the thought that we were playing against ten men, But

2164
01:50:43,707 --> 01:50:47,147
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, we were patient and Zoe did very

2165
01:50:47,227 --> 01:50:49,507
Speaker 4: well to put it in the back of the net

2166
01:50:50,507 --> 01:50:52,227
Speaker 4: and then for Peter to get the one at the

2167
01:50:52,347 --> 01:50:54,387
Speaker 4: end of the game. I think that built the momentum

2168
01:50:54,467 --> 01:50:55,867
Speaker 4: and yeah, the confidence.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're still very young yourself, but you mentioned

2170
01:50:58,827 --> 01:51:02,147
Speaker 3: Zoe and also Pierre. You know they're teenagers coming in.

2171
01:51:03,307 --> 01:51:05,547
Speaker 3: You know what is it about this environment that allows

2172
01:51:05,587 --> 01:51:08,587
Speaker 3: young players to come and pretty much start to flourish

2173
01:51:08,667 --> 01:51:09,627
Speaker 3: and play well straight away.

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01:51:10,547 --> 01:51:13,707
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's awesome I think for them coming

2175
01:51:13,787 --> 01:51:16,427
Speaker 4: into the environment, not coming from the academy, I can

2176
01:51:16,507 --> 01:51:20,067
Speaker 4: see even the similarities in me and my first season. Yeah,

2177
01:51:20,867 --> 01:51:24,107
Speaker 4: having them come in and do so well is obviously

2178
01:51:24,187 --> 01:51:26,507
Speaker 4: so great for them individually, but I'm sure they're learning

2179
01:51:26,587 --> 01:51:30,147
Speaker 4: so much of the experience players like Mac who's been

2180
01:51:30,227 --> 01:51:35,187
Speaker 4: here for all of the Phoenix's seasons, and yeah, their

2181
01:51:35,227 --> 01:51:38,867
Speaker 4: development is so important for the future of the Phoenix.

2182
01:51:39,147 --> 01:51:41,347
Speaker 3: What about the coaching change the first two seasons under

2183
01:51:41,387 --> 01:51:43,747
Speaker 3: Paul Temple, who brought you into the first team you've

2184
01:51:43,747 --> 01:51:46,027
Speaker 3: had be of obviously, this season, how are you enjoying

2185
01:51:46,067 --> 01:51:47,347
Speaker 3: playing under a different coach?

2186
01:51:47,987 --> 01:51:51,307
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm obviously eternally grateful for Paul. He was the

2187
01:51:51,347 --> 01:51:53,387
Speaker 4: one who put trust in me to bring me into

2188
01:51:53,427 --> 01:51:56,787
Speaker 4: the A League system. It's been awesome having Bear as

2189
01:51:56,787 --> 01:52:00,867
Speaker 4: a coach. She's had so much experience, obviously, and I'm

2190
01:52:00,947 --> 01:52:02,267
Speaker 4: learning so much off her so far.

2191
01:52:02,867 --> 01:52:04,427
Speaker 3: At Aelaide on the weekend, they had to win last

2192
01:52:04,507 --> 01:52:07,667
Speaker 3: night our Kena to get back home where you know,

2193
01:52:07,787 --> 01:52:10,147
Speaker 3: and obviously the winning record was lost there last time.

2194
01:52:10,387 --> 01:52:11,587
Speaker 3: How can are you in front of what will be

2195
01:52:11,627 --> 01:52:14,147
Speaker 3: another good crowd to get three points again on Sunday.

2196
01:52:14,867 --> 01:52:17,507
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're in good form, but the tables

2197
01:52:17,587 --> 01:52:20,667
Speaker 4: close and our position can jump so much as we

2198
01:52:20,747 --> 01:52:22,867
Speaker 4: get a win, So yeah, we're keen to put out

2199
01:52:22,907 --> 01:52:25,107
Speaker 4: a good performance against them and use the crowd to

2200
01:52:25,747 --> 01:52:26,707
Speaker 4: be our tath man.

2201
01:52:27,067 --> 01:52:29,747
Speaker 3: Just from a wider sense. Finally you major football. Fern's

2202
01:52:29,787 --> 01:52:31,907
Speaker 3: debut last year five games for the national team. Now,

2203
01:52:31,987 --> 01:52:34,147
Speaker 3: how I mean, how driven are you to be a

2204
01:52:34,227 --> 01:52:36,867
Speaker 3: part of fern size with twenty twenty six. Now there's

2205
01:52:36,867 --> 01:52:38,547
Speaker 3: a World Cup next year? How can are you to

2206
01:52:38,587 --> 01:52:40,707
Speaker 3: be involved in the in the Ferns moving forward?

2207
01:52:41,267 --> 01:52:41,467
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2208
01:52:41,507 --> 01:52:46,227
Speaker 4: Well, world covers getting closer, the international windows are coming

2209
01:52:46,347 --> 01:52:50,627
Speaker 4: up soon, so yeah, very keen to keep progressing through

2210
01:52:50,787 --> 01:52:54,507
Speaker 4: the club and hopefully put my foot forward to make

2211
01:52:54,547 --> 01:52:55,267
Speaker 4: those selections.

2212
01:52:55,507 --> 01:52:57,947
Speaker 3: That is the voice of Mania Elliott, who this afternoon

2213
01:52:57,947 --> 01:53:00,347
Speaker 3: will become the fifth Wellington Phoenix women's player to bring

2214
01:53:00,467 --> 01:53:03,827
Speaker 3: up fifty A League matches when they take on Adelaide

2215
01:53:03,907 --> 01:53:06,987
Speaker 3: United this afternoon four o'clock. As mentioned when game and

2216
01:53:07,147 --> 01:53:09,547
Speaker 3: the Wellington Phoenix women are up to the giddy heights

2217
01:53:09,547 --> 01:53:12,347
Speaker 3: of second on the A League ladder. Can't remember them

2218
01:53:12,427 --> 01:53:14,987
Speaker 3: ever being as high as that, So big game in

2219
01:53:15,067 --> 01:53:18,507
Speaker 3: coming at Pottydoor Park this afternoon, twenty one away from three,

2220
01:53:18,547 --> 01:53:20,947
Speaker 3: take away, come back and take your State side. The

2221
01:53:21,027 --> 01:53:23,467
Speaker 3: latest and American Sport with Leon Busby right after.

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01:53:23,307 --> 01:53:26,107
Speaker 2: This It's more than just a game.

2223
01:53:26,467 --> 01:53:31,507
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Dyin and GJ Gunnoves, New Zealand's most.

2224
01:53:31,347 --> 01:53:33,187
Speaker 2: Trusted home builder News Talks.

2225
01:53:32,947 --> 01:53:35,667
Speaker 3: AB News Talks be Bang on eighteen to three. Time

2226
01:53:35,747 --> 01:53:38,907
Speaker 3: for our regular look at American sport and all that's

2227
01:53:38,947 --> 01:53:42,027
Speaker 3: going on there. Leon Busby is our US sports expert.

2228
01:53:42,107 --> 01:53:43,547
Speaker 3: He joins us, Good afternoon, mate.

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01:53:44,707 --> 01:53:47,067
Speaker 10: Afternoon, Jason, thanks for having me back. Mate's got each

2230
01:53:47,147 --> 01:53:48,947
Speaker 10: to discuss the rich Juman Today.

2231
01:53:48,787 --> 01:53:51,427
Speaker 3: Let's jump in Major League Baseball. We haven't started yet.

2232
01:53:51,467 --> 01:53:54,667
Speaker 3: I don't think the first matches or first games for

2233
01:53:54,747 --> 01:53:57,667
Speaker 3: a little while, but the top five teams in Major

2234
01:53:57,787 --> 01:54:00,827
Speaker 3: League baseballer are throwing a bit of money around and

2235
01:54:00,987 --> 01:54:04,587
Speaker 3: causing a few concerned conversations. What can you tell us

2236
01:54:04,587 --> 01:54:04,907
Speaker 3: about this?

2237
01:54:06,347 --> 01:54:09,307
Speaker 10: So there's a reason I'm sharing these numbers because they

2238
01:54:09,707 --> 01:54:11,907
Speaker 10: go into my main point here. So if we look

2239
01:54:11,947 --> 01:54:14,667
Speaker 10: at the top five teams in the Major League Baseball league,

2240
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Speaker 10: so we've got the Philadelphia Pillies at number five, So

2241
01:54:17,667 --> 01:54:20,307
Speaker 10: I've got a playroll of eight hundred and sixty five million,

2242
01:54:20,387 --> 01:54:22,787
Speaker 10: so this is American dollars. And then you've got the

2243
01:54:22,867 --> 01:54:26,867
Speaker 10: New York Mets and Toronto Blue Jays they're equal on

2244
01:54:27,027 --> 01:54:29,427
Speaker 10: one point one. And then you've got the San Diego

2245
01:54:29,507 --> 01:54:32,307
Speaker 10: Padres at one point two and is expected leading the

2246
01:54:32,387 --> 01:54:35,227
Speaker 10: pack of the two time defending World Series LA Dodgers

2247
01:54:35,627 --> 01:54:37,947
Speaker 10: at an I walk through in two billion dollars. Now

2248
01:54:38,027 --> 01:54:40,707
Speaker 10: to put that into context, Pony, that's more than twenty

2249
01:54:40,787 --> 01:54:44,267
Speaker 10: five countries annual GDP in a calendar year, which is crazy.

2250
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Speaker 3: To billions, like two billion, two billion billion. My goodness, Dane.

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01:54:49,027 --> 01:54:51,347
Speaker 10: Right now. The reason I share these numbers is that

2252
01:54:51,427 --> 01:54:54,627
Speaker 10: it leads to my next point. And unfortunately, I'll start

2253
01:54:54,667 --> 01:54:56,947
Speaker 10: by saying this, New York we have a problem.

2254
01:54:58,747 --> 01:55:00,947
Speaker 3: Well, so what are we looking at here? A possible

2255
01:55:01,027 --> 01:55:04,187
Speaker 3: lockout is a possible lockout in our in our future.

2256
01:55:04,987 --> 01:55:06,787
Speaker 10: Yes, are you familiar with the two lockout?

2257
01:55:06,867 --> 01:55:09,387
Speaker 3: Well, I kind of am, but give us an explanation.

2258
01:55:11,027 --> 01:55:14,627
Speaker 10: Okay, So all of America's major professional sports organizations, they

2259
01:55:14,667 --> 01:55:16,667
Speaker 10: have their head off to the New York City. The

2260
01:55:16,867 --> 01:55:19,867
Speaker 10: Major League Baseball has a big problem, that being the

2261
01:55:20,027 --> 01:55:24,227
Speaker 10: huge spending disparity. So the guaranteed salaries confirmed this, and

2262
01:55:24,347 --> 01:55:27,947
Speaker 10: many baseball experts are speculating that in December of this

2263
01:55:28,147 --> 01:55:31,547
Speaker 10: year there'll be a lockout. This happens when team owners

2264
01:55:31,587 --> 01:55:35,147
Speaker 10: and players can't agree on what's known as a UCBA,

2265
01:55:35,227 --> 01:55:38,947
Speaker 10: which is a collective bargaining agreement, so basically, the players

2266
01:55:39,027 --> 01:55:41,707
Speaker 10: go on straight. The owners will only use this as

2267
01:55:41,747 --> 01:55:44,467
Speaker 10: a last stitch effort to press the negoiations. So the

2268
01:55:44,547 --> 01:55:47,387
Speaker 10: last time a lockout happened was during the twenty twenty

2269
01:55:47,467 --> 01:55:49,987
Speaker 10: one to twenty two regular season. It was for about

2270
01:55:50,027 --> 01:55:52,427
Speaker 10: four months. So at the end of the nineteen ninety

2271
01:55:52,427 --> 01:55:55,227
Speaker 10: four season. Going back a few years, a league wide

2272
01:55:55,307 --> 01:55:59,027
Speaker 10: strike canceled the entire nineteen ninety five season, nine hundred

2273
01:55:59,027 --> 01:56:01,707
Speaker 10: and forty eight games, the playoffs, and the World Series.

2274
01:56:01,987 --> 01:56:05,187
Speaker 10: This season long lockout set baseball back a few years

2275
01:56:05,227 --> 01:56:09,987
Speaker 10: and had long term number chisers. The players Union has

2276
01:56:10,107 --> 01:56:13,587
Speaker 10: recently indicated the lockout will be inevitable if they can't

2277
01:56:13,667 --> 01:56:16,507
Speaker 10: come to terms, as the current basic agreement is set

2278
01:56:16,547 --> 01:56:18,907
Speaker 10: to expire on December first of this year.

2279
01:56:19,387 --> 01:56:22,267
Speaker 3: We'll keep pause on that. Any recent trade news, leon,

2280
01:56:22,467 --> 01:56:24,307
Speaker 3: and how might that affect a possible lockout?

2281
01:56:25,427 --> 01:56:28,227
Speaker 10: Yes, all of these things are affecting Major League Baseball

2282
01:56:28,267 --> 01:56:30,347
Speaker 10: in a big way. So recent trade you saw All

2283
01:56:30,427 --> 01:56:34,547
Speaker 10: Star outfielder, outfielder and hitter Kyle Tucker traded to who

2284
01:56:34,627 --> 01:56:38,667
Speaker 10: else the two time defendy World Series champion Dodgers. He's

2285
01:56:38,707 --> 01:56:41,027
Speaker 10: a very good player. So Tucker was signed by LA

2286
01:56:41,147 --> 01:56:44,147
Speaker 10: on a four year contract worth a hefty two hundred

2287
01:56:44,147 --> 01:56:47,587
Speaker 10: and forty million dollars. He'll be paid sixty million annually,

2288
01:56:47,667 --> 01:56:51,227
Speaker 10: which is twenty more twenty million dollars more a season

2289
01:56:51,307 --> 01:56:54,707
Speaker 10: than MVP Tiger Aaron Judge of the Yankees. So another

2290
01:56:54,867 --> 01:56:58,427
Speaker 10: example of the gaping disparity in the league, with further

2291
01:56:58,547 --> 01:57:01,027
Speaker 10: points to an inevitable locker. So his talk of their

2292
01:57:01,107 --> 01:57:04,187
Speaker 10: head offers implementing the top of salary cap mechanism to

2293
01:57:04,347 --> 01:57:07,027
Speaker 10: try and bring about balance. No one, I'm quite sure

2294
01:57:07,067 --> 01:57:09,107
Speaker 10: how that will pan out. But this type of spending

2295
01:57:09,587 --> 01:57:12,187
Speaker 10: is untenable and needs to be raided in to avoid

2296
01:57:12,227 --> 01:57:15,547
Speaker 10: potential lockouts and invariably backlash from the fans.

2297
01:57:15,827 --> 01:57:17,307
Speaker 3: All right, I want to get to the NFL in

2298
01:57:17,387 --> 01:57:20,747
Speaker 3: the moment, but can we quickly cover off college football.

2299
01:57:21,147 --> 01:57:25,347
Speaker 3: We're done in the NCAA, the National Championship, Indiana top

2300
01:57:25,387 --> 01:57:25,827
Speaker 3: of the pile.

2301
01:57:27,227 --> 01:57:29,707
Speaker 10: Yeah, so a short segment here, piny as you allerd

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01:57:29,747 --> 01:57:31,627
Speaker 10: to you want to focus on the NFL, plass, but

2303
01:57:32,147 --> 01:57:34,267
Speaker 10: I just want to say, also, I enjoy listening to

2304
01:57:34,387 --> 01:57:37,867
Speaker 10: James mccarney's thoughts, but I take unrich in a friendly manner,

2305
01:57:37,907 --> 01:57:40,787
Speaker 10: of course, and he spoke about Fernando Mendoza last hour,

2306
01:57:40,827 --> 01:57:43,267
Speaker 10: which sort of stole my thunder. Nonetheless, let's push on

2307
01:57:43,707 --> 01:57:46,947
Speaker 10: so earlier this week. Earlier this week. These eighty Zealand

2308
01:57:46,987 --> 01:57:50,227
Speaker 10: time he had studying college football season culminated in a

2309
01:57:50,347 --> 01:57:54,227
Speaker 10: thrilling match with the Indiana Whojas bidding the Miami Hurricanes

2310
01:57:54,307 --> 01:57:57,507
Speaker 10: twenty seven to twenty one in Miami to compete and

2311
01:57:57,547 --> 01:58:00,187
Speaker 10: I'm beaten sixteen and o season for the first time

2312
01:58:00,547 --> 01:58:05,027
Speaker 10: National champions Now, Historically, Indiana have always had a strong

2313
01:58:05,147 --> 01:58:08,467
Speaker 10: basketball program. They achieved this year college football as nothing

2314
01:58:08,507 --> 01:58:12,107
Speaker 10: short of remarkable. The Hoosias, led by quarterback and recent

2315
01:58:12,187 --> 01:58:16,187
Speaker 10: Heisman Trophy winn of Fernando Mendoza, kept off a historical season,

2316
01:58:16,347 --> 01:58:19,147
Speaker 10: r being compared to the all conquering Alice Hugh Tigers

2317
01:58:19,467 --> 01:58:22,507
Speaker 10: of twenty nineteen, who also went through unbeaten and led

2318
01:58:22,547 --> 01:58:26,507
Speaker 10: by Heidsman Trophy winning quarterback and Joe Burrow. Indiana's head

2319
01:58:26,547 --> 01:58:30,187
Speaker 10: coach Kurt Signetti, was instrumental in turning the Musa's football

2320
01:58:30,187 --> 01:58:34,147
Speaker 10: program around from mediocre to national champions in only three

2321
01:58:34,227 --> 01:58:37,187
Speaker 10: years at the helm Alsough. It was announced only yesterday

2322
01:58:37,227 --> 01:58:40,427
Speaker 10: that the college football playoffs will stay at twelve teams

2323
01:58:40,467 --> 01:58:43,627
Speaker 10: for now at least, with an expansion to sixteen teams

2324
01:58:43,627 --> 01:58:47,907
Speaker 10: on hold. Finally, just days ago, Mendoza announced his intention

2325
01:58:48,067 --> 01:58:50,987
Speaker 10: to enter the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, hered for

2326
01:58:51,027 --> 01:58:54,307
Speaker 10: Eightpril twenty three in Pittsburgh. He's unanimously expected to be

2327
01:58:54,427 --> 01:58:56,547
Speaker 10: the first name off the board as a number one

2328
01:58:56,627 --> 01:58:59,907
Speaker 10: overall pick. It was the football season in the rear mirror, Pine.

2329
01:58:59,987 --> 01:59:03,147
Speaker 10: We can now shift our focus to college basketball, especially

2330
01:59:03,187 --> 01:59:04,907
Speaker 10: in the leader to March Madness.

2331
01:59:04,667 --> 01:59:08,267
Speaker 3: And there we can. But in terms of football, we

2332
01:59:08,347 --> 01:59:11,587
Speaker 3: now need to go to the NFL Super Bowl. Sixty

2333
01:59:11,907 --> 01:59:15,387
Speaker 3: is a fortnight tomorrow, so a fortnight today. We're going

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Speaker 3: to get you back to give us a Super Bowl preview.

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Speaker 3: Let's have a look at who might be there in

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Speaker 3: the AFC Championship game. It's the New England Patriots up

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Speaker 3: against the Denver Broncos. Nine o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand time.

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Speaker 3: Who do you like in this one?

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Speaker 10: Yes? In the early window, as you alluded to, Pony,

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Speaker 10: we've got the game between the two best teams in

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Speaker 10: the AFC, the Denver Broncos and the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 10: both fourteen and three records. Although the number one see

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Speaker 10: Denver Broncos have the homegun advantage, that's negated by the

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Speaker 10: fact that they're starting quarterbacks. Quarterback Bo Nicks, who had

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Speaker 10: a breakout season this year, is out with the season

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Speaker 10: ending ankle injuries. The Broncos now have to rely on

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Speaker 10: their backup quarterback Jared Stidham, which no one's probably heard

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Speaker 10: of before, to start under center, but he hasn't started

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Speaker 10: an NFL game and over two years since January of

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty four when he got at Denver and a loss.

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Speaker 10: Only nine times in the Super Bowl era has a

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Speaker 10: backup quarterback made it to the Super Bowl and won.

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Speaker 10: The Broncos with Super Bowl winning coach Seaun Payton at

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Speaker 10: the helm r nine and one at home the season,

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Speaker 10: but are going to have to rely on their stout

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Speaker 10: defense to advance to the Super Bowl. So if we

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Speaker 10: look on the other side of the ball, we have

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Speaker 10: the New England Patriots number two Steeds led by MVP

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Speaker 10: candidate quarterback Drey Mak who has a one hundred and

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Speaker 10: thirteen point five rating the season. He's an impressive eight

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Speaker 10: and zero on the road under the grandits of coach

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Speaker 10: Mike Rabel. So only twelve months after being introduced to

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Speaker 10: the New England head coach, the former Patriot linebacker and

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Speaker 10: three time Super Bowl champion has totally transformed the franchise,

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Speaker 10: who were at disimal foms thirteen just last year to

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Speaker 10: fourteen and three this season. Rabel will become only the

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Speaker 10: eighth coach to lead his side to a Super Bowl

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Speaker 10: appearance as a first year coach. If that can get

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Speaker 10: past Genver, He's also expected to be named NFL Coach

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Speaker 10: of the Year. That's dead. New England has a more

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Speaker 10: balanced side, especially with Mayott quarterback, and that consistently shown

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Speaker 10: in the season that they can win on the road

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Speaker 10: and the underrated defense will get get the stead them.

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Speaker 10: So due to the loss of Nix and both teams

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Speaker 10: I used to play in adverse weather with major storms

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Speaker 10: lashing most of the US this weekend, I'm picking the

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Speaker 10: Patriots Patriots to earn this one in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 10: and a close contest against the Broncos. The latest Betty

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Speaker 10: Knights have New England as three and a half point favorites,

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Speaker 10: with the total points spread at forty three.

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Speaker 3: All Right, following that, we're off to Seattle, where the

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Speaker 3: Seahawks have have home ground advantage in the NFC Championship

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Speaker 3: game against the Los Angeles Rams. This one feels a

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Speaker 3: bit closer.

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Speaker 10: Yes, in the late windows you alluded to as the

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Speaker 10: NFC Championship game, where we have the fourteen and three

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Speaker 10: Seattle Seahawks hosting the twelve and five Los Angeles Rams.

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Speaker 17: The number one seed.

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Speaker 10: Seattle have former minnesot Of Vikings quarterbacks Sam Donald, who

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Speaker 10: used to quarterback for your son's team, starting to undercent

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Speaker 10: and are picking at the right time. That Donald has

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Speaker 10: recently been battling injury, but latest reports have him fully

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Speaker 10: recovered and ready to go. Head coach Mike McDonald has

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Speaker 10: done only a second season in charge, and he has

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Speaker 10: an excellent record of twenty five and ten. Like New England,

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Speaker 10: the Seahawks have a well balanced roster on both sides

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Speaker 10: of the ball, but their defense and special teams in

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Speaker 10: particular are amongst the best in the league. They're pressed

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Speaker 10: on opposing quarterbacks as difficult to counter, and they can

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Speaker 10: stop the run and break up the pass. Now Seattle's opponents,

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Speaker 10: Theale Rams, are up against arguably one of the most

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Speaker 10: difficult stadiums to play in on the road, the number

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Speaker 10: five Siegs have the projected MVP at quarterback Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 10: and a stack for the offensive weapons galore, plus a

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Speaker 10: strong defense. Coach by Sean McVeigh, who has been to

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Speaker 10: the Big Game twice to one Super Bowl, won a

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Speaker 10: Super Bowl. He's considered one of the league's elite coaches.

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Speaker 10: McVay needs one more win to pass Hall of Fame

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Speaker 10: coach Don Schuler for most playoff wins before the age

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Speaker 10: of forty five. There are too many to name on

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Speaker 10: the Ala offense, but this game looks like a coin

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Speaker 10: toss to predict the eventual winner. It's the case of

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Speaker 10: the Rams offense versus the Seahawks defense, an untoppable fourth meeting,

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Speaker 10: and movable objects well use to a Buddhist better tim. So,

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Speaker 10: how do you pick up on a poneyer?

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Speaker 17: Who would you like?

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Speaker 3: I don't look, I know, I can't believe you're throwing

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Speaker 3: it back to me.

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Speaker 2: Lee.

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Speaker 3: I'm you're supposed to be the expert. Look, I'll go la,

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Speaker 3: I'll go la, but I've got no basis for it.

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Speaker 10: Okay, so this one's too great to call from me

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Speaker 10: Poney and I'm ashamed, unashamedly happy to be that guy

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Speaker 10: and sit on the fence here. So the latest betting

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Speaker 10: night says Seattle at two and a half points favorites

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Speaker 10: with the total points spread at forty nine. I picked

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Speaker 10: Lay to make.

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Speaker 17: The Super Bowl.

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Speaker 10: I feel that the home field advantage might be enough

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Speaker 10: for Seattle to get past the Rams potent attack. And

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Speaker 10: how does yet that old saying goo de Benceman Championships.

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Speaker 10: I'm more than happy to walk off from that. Thanks

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Speaker 10: for having me on, Poney, and we'll weaken being before

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Speaker 10: the Super Bowl Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look forward to that, Lee, I'm good man. Well done, mate, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll look forward to chatting to you two weeks from

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Speaker 3: now when we have our Super Bowl finalists confirmed. So

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Speaker 3: Broncos Patriots tomorrow nine New Zealand time, followed by Seahawks

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Speaker 3: Rams at twelve thirty and then we'll know who are

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Speaker 3: the two teams to contest Super Bowl sixty A fortnight tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Leon must be our US sports expert with us on

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