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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle got Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute

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Speaker 2: at Mark Sainsbury, who's a broadcast How are you two?

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Speaker 3: Tim?

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Speaker 2: Does this fill you with confidence?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to I'm glad to hear that we're

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Speaker 3: addressing this issue as someone who actually I did change

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Speaker 3: power companies this year. Not we did, Yeah, we did.

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Speaker 3: Some couple of guys came around and said, guess what

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Speaker 3: you can get cheaper, cheaper power, cheaper internet, and we'll

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Speaker 3: throw in a cheaper big screen TV. So we did

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Speaker 3: the deal.

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Speaker 2: What they gave you a TV as well?

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Speaker 3: Well, I throw in a sort of reduced value TV.

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Speaker 3: Let's put it that way, well, a reduced cost, but

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Speaker 3: it's a big screen.

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Speaker 2: Worrying about this deal, I feel very worried about it. Tim,

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Speaker 2: did you look at your power bill and actually make

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Speaker 2: sure that it has come down?

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Speaker 3: I haven't done it yet, but we're watching a lot

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Speaker 3: of Telly.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is the reason you haven't done it

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Speaker 2: yet is because your wife did all the admin. Right.

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Speaker 3: What's Mark got to say about that? Again? So he's

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Speaker 3: deflicting I'm fascinated by the accounting arrangements in Term's household.

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Speaker 3: But this thing, I mean, I agree with some Look,

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Speaker 3: something's going to be done. I was seeing that conference

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Speaker 3: in the Patrolling Ministry in twenty eighteen when Megan turned

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Speaker 3: up and the Minister Energy Minister at the time and

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Speaker 3: said I look, we're all considering this, and I remember

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Speaker 3: asking it, well, does that mean you've made a decision

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Speaker 3: already and don't want to tell us or you're still

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Speaker 3: considering it and that already made a decision of course,

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Speaker 3: And here we are six years later and it's going

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Speaker 3: to be another reset. You just want someone to say, look,

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Speaker 3: let's just get this sorted out, because it's just a cycle.

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Speaker 3: What happens in the meantime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Well here's a question for you, saint, so

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Speaker 2: put your political editor's hat on. If you think about

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Speaker 2: the situation that we find ourselves in right now, and

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Speaker 2: it sucks, and it is in part because of not totally,

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Speaker 2: but in part because of Labour's oil and gas ban.

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Speaker 2: If Labor was to come out and say yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: going to commit to that oil and gas band, does

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Speaker 2: that play badly for them or is it too complicated

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Speaker 2: for most people done stand.

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Speaker 3: Well, don't forget it to sort of the lead up

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Speaker 3: to that band in twenty eighteen, there's been constant protests

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Speaker 3: and certain factions so within I think the labor within,

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Speaker 3: within their own caxtment I they think are going to

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Speaker 3: be getting in backing it. I mean they will sort of,

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Speaker 3: they'll stick because it's a you're going to admit you're wrong,

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Speaker 3: begin with yeah. And second of your own support base

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Speaker 3: who are anti at are going to think you're just

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Speaker 3: you're just a turn coat. But the problem, it's the

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Speaker 3: same with all these big issues. There was a there

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Speaker 3: was a I remember tending a thing before the election

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Speaker 3: here with the group down here wanting to get things

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Speaker 3: into long term paining. We don't do enough long term planning.

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Speaker 3: We don't do it absolutely right, you know, the same.

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Speaker 3: But the super there's all those issues FARMAC, these are

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Speaker 3: things that should be short short term. Short termism is

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Speaker 3: an absolute problem because we think we're practical people will

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Speaker 3: just solve the problem and they'll take care of it.

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Speaker 3: But actually there are problems that ensue and unintended consequences.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, if we can harvest the oil

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Speaker 3: send it overseas to get it refined. So it's a

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Speaker 3: there's so many other things that we have to do

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Speaker 3: to make sure that we're energy self sufficient.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very good point. All right, we'll take

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Speaker 2: a break with you guys. Come back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: It's the huddle, the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're back on the huddle, Mark Sainsbury. Tim Wilson saying,

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Speaker 2: so you got a problem with Carmel Sepaloni going on

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Treasure Island but still collecting her MP pay.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's donating it, she says, isn't she She's giving

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Speaker 2: Well, that's her winnings, right, that's the winnings from the com.

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Speaker 2: But then she took two weeks off the job. I

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Speaker 2: don't have a problem with it, but other people do.

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Speaker 2: Took two weeks off the job and then kept on

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Speaker 2: taking her pay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. See I read that. I thought she was saying

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Speaker 3: Tyler Trust. Yeah, even the pay, Yeah, gallery, saying okay.

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Speaker 2: Stand corrected. But that's ridiculous, isn't it. I mean she's

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Speaker 3: She's been too generous.

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Speaker 2: Take that money back from that charity problem.

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Speaker 3: What kind of a politicians? She as a politician at risk?

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Speaker 3: Is not that she's where the pay, it's the fact

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Speaker 3: he's going on with Duncan Garner.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be trying, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be tough. I would love to see

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Speaker 3: her and Jenny Shipley forming a team now, wouldn't that

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Speaker 3: be a vision of television? Goal?

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Speaker 2: Would you ever go on?

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Speaker 3: I once?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I was going to ask him if he's

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Speaker 2: ever let me ask him, and then I'm gonna come

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Speaker 2: back to you, Tim, Would you.

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Speaker 1: Ever go on it?

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Speaker 2: Would you go on Celebrity Treasure Island?

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Speaker 3: Sure? If they want someone to feel sorry for who's uncoordinated,

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Speaker 3: doesn't have like a match he exterminated in the first round.

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Speaker 3: You know how this goes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you? Says I would you do it?

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Speaker 3: Someone did ring me up one day and you're going

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Speaker 3: to say no to this? Said? Would she consider? I

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Speaker 3: mean yeah, that was just obviously thing round and I

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Speaker 3: said no, didn't one of them makes you what you

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Speaker 3: could have got. It could have been a great time.

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Speaker 3: Who gives? Who gives a to Just on Tim's Jenny

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Speaker 3: Shipley Jenny Shipley fantasy. I once I went down to

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Speaker 3: And I got to what I thought was my roof

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Speaker 3: standing in her underwear.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, the key that's rare. Tell me did she

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Speaker 2: go to the kind of mumsy underwear or was it

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Speaker 3: I averted my eyes that you'd be pleased to know immediately.

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Speaker 2: And what you've got a mind and you can't remember anything.

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Speaker 3: Would you go on celebrity treasure idle heather?

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Speaker 2: Jeez, man, I can't move past Jenny in her underwear.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I would have taken a mental

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Speaker 2: photograph right then? Hey, Tim, it feels to me like

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Speaker 2: these changes that were made over the weekend with the

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Speaker 2: fast Track Bill are basically taking the guts out of

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Speaker 2: what people are complaining about, and therefore we'll make it

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Speaker 2: more palatable, right, because then it's not the three ministers

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I

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Speaker 3: think I think I think they're getting there. It depends

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Speaker 3: a good summary of people who would would actually be

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Speaker 3: an antidote to what you might see as cronyism, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. Just got to be careful with the appointment thing.

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Speaker 3: Just to note on everyone's going, oh, they've got mining

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Speaker 3: fast tracking that's already applied. Most of it is housing. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so we need some of that which are completely lost

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Speaker 2: Thank you for making it. Say so. It feels to

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Speaker 2: me like some people are going to see this as

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Speaker 2: a fantastic way of kind of reaching a compromise with

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Speaker 2: as a backtrack. How do you see it?

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Speaker 3: They doesn't have any choice, I think for a start,

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Speaker 3: But I think they, despite Shane Jones, just push it

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Speaker 3: want to get in there again. You're looking, okay, it

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Speaker 3: might significantly sort of slow up this sort of process.

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Speaker 3: But again, because there's this frustration, I think, and we

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Speaker 3: Sanzo the oldest pipe?

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Speaker 2: You know, but you know when it breaks, and it's

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Speaker 2: just watch out very quickly. Guys, tim would you send

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, boys love events of it that ours are like

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Speaker 3: cage dogs. If they're inside the house too long, get

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Speaker 3: Go and a daughter you've seend as well too. Not

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Speaker 3: a daughter, that's that's a different situation.

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Speaker 2: But boys to say, so you've got one of each.

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Speaker 2: What age was the first time that you let them out?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm trying to think they're pretty I mean we

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Speaker 3: trying to think think Arabella, Oh, you know they did

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Speaker 3: school trips. It's different. But yeah, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of argument for this, you know, creating resilience in our

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Speaker 3: This whole sort of helicopter parenting thing. I think it's

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Speaker 3: terrible and that's Doorman kept rageous isn't it. He was thirteen,

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Speaker 3: we can't just lock people up, you know, joy of

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Speaker 2: So it's probably a little bit like kid by kids.

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Speaker 2: Some kids are going to handle it, some kids aren't.

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Speaker 2: It's about the resilience. You hit the nail on the

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Speaker 2: head sayings. So, thank you very much, Mark Sainsbury and

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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson I had all this evening.

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