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Speaker 1: Heather Do for ZL nine two ninety two.

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear your experience, if you've got

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Speaker 2: a different one or if that is your experience. As

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Speaker 2: well as standard text fees apply obviously. Now listen, let's

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Speaker 2: talk about rubbish. Okay, kere Wee households are wasting about

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars worth of food every single year. This

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Speaker 2: is according to a new report by the ends at Ier.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just food that we're wasting. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: is amongst the highest producers of general waste in the OECD,

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Speaker 2: and we also have some of the lowest material productivity

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Speaker 2: in the world. In other words, we're just basically producing

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Speaker 2: lots and doing very little with it. Nick Quilty is

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Speaker 2: the CEO of Wasteman's.

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Speaker 3: Hey Nick, Hi, Hi here they how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you. Here's a lot of waste day.

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Speaker 3: Look it is, and we're just spending so much more

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Speaker 3: on rubbish than we're used to. It's a real problem

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. I mean we don't know we know

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Speaker 3: what local authorities how it's affecting them. So the spend

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Speaker 3: on their waste and refuse services grew forty five to

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Speaker 3: forty seven percent between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty three they spend six hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty nine million. So yeah, it's not good. And then

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Speaker 3: you look at a legal dumping. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 3: you I'm not sure where you live, but if you

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Speaker 3: drive around Auckland, it's a real problem. And if you

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Speaker 3: look at Auckland Council it's costing rate players two point

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Speaker 3: six million annually, and for other councils around the country

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Speaker 3: the cost ranges from one hundred and twenty thousand to

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand a year.

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Speaker 1: What should we do with this stuff? What should we

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Speaker 1: do about it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Look, I think illegal dumping. I mean, obviously the

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Speaker 3: councils are doing as much as they possibly can, they're

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Speaker 3: finding people. But I think a lot of people are

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Speaker 3: legally dump because they don't know what else to do

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Speaker 3: with their rubbish or they've just got too much of it.

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Speaker 3: But which is rather that people actually did the right thing,

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Speaker 3: took them to you know, secondhand shops, put them out

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Speaker 3: in their appropriate receptacles that go out on kurd side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do we do?

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Speaker 2: But what do we do about it as society because

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Speaker 2: I feel like the problem isn't so much where well

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that is a problem. We're putting the rubbish, but

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Speaker 1: just the fact that we throw so we just have

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Speaker 1: a culture. It's just in our minds. Isn't it just

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Speaker 1: to throw things away?

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Speaker 3: I think? I think the biggest problem is we don't

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Speaker 3: treat waste as a resource, and it's actually a resource.

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Speaker 3: So actually when you buy something, think about how long

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Speaker 3: you're going to use it for? Is it good, good quality?

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Speaker 3: Is it going to end up in landfall? Because we

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Speaker 3: don't want these things indo govern landfall. We want them

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Speaker 3: to continually remain in our economy for as long as possible,

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Speaker 3: before and before they're disposed of, if at all.

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Speaker 2: But how do you do that, Nick, Because okay, let's

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Speaker 2: just say, let me think of an example at my house. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so we've got I don't know, let's say a cot

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Speaker 2: or something, and we don't want this cot anymore.

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Speaker 1: I have tried.

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Speaker 2: This is an actual example. I had a cot and

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Speaker 2: I tried to take it a cot mattress and I

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Speaker 2: try to take it to the I try to put

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Speaker 2: it out on the Facebook page. Whoever wants it can

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Speaker 2: have it. I tried to take it down to the

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Speaker 2: local charity. They didn't want it. In the end it

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Speaker 2: went into landfall. I mean, how do you get around

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Speaker 2: this stuff?

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Speaker 3: Readiful? Can I wonder if I wonder if you're I'm

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Speaker 3: just making some assumptions here, but I don't know why

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Speaker 3: someone wouldn't want your court. The only reason they might

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Speaker 3: not want it is maybe it was maybe it was

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Speaker 3: painted with lead painted base and you know.

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Speaker 1: It was just the mattress. It was just the mattress.

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Speaker 3: Oh, just the mattress. Oh I see, yeah, yeah, Look,

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Speaker 3: it is a real problem. And I think part of

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Speaker 3: it is that we are just a society that is

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Speaker 3: a consumer of society, and we don't treat the we

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Speaker 3: don't treat goods with the respect that they deserve. And

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Speaker 3: so where we are a throwaway society and there is

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Speaker 3: a certain portion of us as people that want to

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Speaker 3: do the right thing. And if we know how to

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Speaker 3: do the right thing, and we can go into a

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Speaker 3: council website and put mattress, how do I get how

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Speaker 3: do I dispose of this? How do I recite this?

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Speaker 3: What do I do? That's the easy thing, But then

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Speaker 3: you get a proportion of the society that won't do that,

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Speaker 3: and we'll just dump it someone.

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Speaker 2: So maybe for those I mean, you know, the people

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Speaker 2: who are going to go do fly tipping, I mean

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Speaker 2: I think they are absolutely morons and we should just

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Speaker 2: write them off. There are always going to be people

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Speaker 2: like that in the world. But for the rest of

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Speaker 2: us who want to do the right thing, I feel

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Speaker 2: like the problem, I feel like the obstacle here is

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Speaker 2: that it's just not simple, and eventually you try a

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Speaker 2: few times and then you give up, and then you

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Speaker 2: just never try again. But you think, Jesu, that was

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Speaker 2: far too hard. So almost we need a structure there

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Speaker 2: where there's a system, right, Yeah, Well, look.

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Speaker 3: We need consistency throughout the country, and we need more

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Speaker 3: infrastructure so that we can actually recycle and recover our

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Speaker 3: goods in New Zealand instead of having to send things overseas.

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Speaker 3: That's one of our biggest problems. And what we would

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Speaker 3: like to see is we would like to see clear

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Speaker 3: national direction from government from government on what infrastructure they

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Speaker 3: would like to see and where it should be. And

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Speaker 3: we would like to see prioritization of the waste industry

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Speaker 3: from the government. And we would love to also see

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Speaker 3: an environment minister within cabinet instead of outside cabinet, because

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Speaker 3: we just don't think they have enough sway and influence

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Speaker 3: being outside cabinet.

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Speaker 1: Nick, thank you so much, really appreciate your time. That's

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Speaker 1: Nick Quilty, the CEO of Wasteman's.

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