1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Bridge on 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: earlier this show with one roof Love where You Live 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: News Talk Sai'd be. 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: Good morning on the show. 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: The private investigator who's been hunting Tom Phillips for years, 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 3: well after Australia on the Mushroom Killer. Rental prices lowest 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: in two years and the teacher pay. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: The minimum wage comparison that will surprise her. 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: The agenda It is Tuesday the nineteen September to Jerusalem. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 3: Palestinian gunman opening fire and start shooting at Israeli's at 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 3: a bus stop. 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Six dead. 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 3: The idea of says the shooters were then shot by 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: an off Judy soldier. 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 4: These murders, these attacks on all fronts, do not deter us. 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 4: They only increased our distermination to complete the missions we 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 4: have taken upon ourselves in Gaza, in Judea and Samaria everywhere. 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: Mushroom Lady, she's going to be in jail until at 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: least the age of eighty two for killing her family 20 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: with Beeth Wellington. 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 5: Only did you cut short three lives and cause lasting 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 5: damage to Ian Wilkinson's health, thereby devastating the extended Patterson 23 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 5: and Wilkinson families. You inflicted untold suffering on your own children, 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 5: whom you robbed of their beloved grandparents. 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: And to France we go now, whereas bye bye Bayrou 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: The French are chewing through leaders quicker than you can 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: get through a beget. This is Macron's centrist guy lost 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: the confidence vote just two minutes ago. Government on the 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: brink of collapse. Dick crisis continues, his BUYERU trying to 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: save himself. 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 6: I believe in our in the different diffront of powers 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 6: and the strength of our institutions. This is why I'm masking. 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 6: This says why, in the face of our democratic situation 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 6: and the help of our nation, I asked that we 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 6: found within ourselves the shared conviction to find an agreement 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 6: here and is through. 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio early edition with 38 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge and one roof Love where you Live news Talks. 39 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 3: They'd be flip me in Texas Morning Love, hearing from 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 3: you nine to nine to two, lipens. 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: That's hard right. 42 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: She's up out of her seat, she's up in arms, 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: she's beating the drum for new elections over in France. 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: Goodness me, could they get through anyway? I think he's 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 3: been through five prime ministers now in two years, Macron, 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: because remember they stitched together a government from all the 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: strange bedfellows on the left to keep the far right 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: out after the last elections, which were during the camp 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: the Olympics. Remember we were watching the Olympics and they 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 3: sort of put it all on hold and then they 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: went back. Wasn't that long ago, was it? Anyway, the 52 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: debt crisis continues. A friend of mine is French, and 53 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: she tells me about the enormous expenditure that goes on 54 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: to things you just wouldn't dream of here. I mean, 55 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: you think our health system costs a lot. Go live 56 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: in France. They have almost like an uber So if 57 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: you get sick and you need to go to the hospital, 58 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: normally you if it's an emergency, you call an ambulance. 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: Otherwise you drive yourself, you take public transport. They have 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: basically a dedicated uber service that gets anyone who's broken 61 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: a fingernail, pays for them, The state pays for them 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: to go. This thing cost has blown out from something 63 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: like a couple one hundred million to something like eight 64 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: billion dollars, and they wonder why they're in debt. Family 65 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: member of mine was over there last week. Got a 66 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: tooth problem when in as a foreigner. When in, how 67 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: much does it cost? Twenty three euros? So good luck everybody. 68 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: Now I want to talk to you about Wellington. So 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: Wellington Region getting new electric trains, eighteen of them. 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 7: They will be eighteen five car battery electric multiple units, 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 7: same saying, but different to the ones that you're standing 72 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 7: next to. They will bed in the route between here 73 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 7: and Masterton or the wider Upper service, and they will 74 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 7: consid the service between here and Thalmerston North. 75 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: All right, good, great. The other ones are from the seventies. 76 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: They need to be replaced. But oh, Captain Chippy's not 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: happy about all this. 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 8: It's a re announcement of a re announcement of a 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 8: re announcement. The trains have been on the way for 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 8: the Lower North Island for quite some time now. I 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 8: think Chris Bishops re announced them about four times already, 82 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 8: probably because he hasn't really got much new to announce 83 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 8: of his own work. 84 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: Okay, what he's not telling you is that back in 85 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: September of twenty twenty three, when Labor was in power 86 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: and Chippy was driving the train, there was a problem. 87 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: Here's what he didn't tell you. 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: They had a wait for it cost blowout fifty million 89 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: dollars to get the tracks sorted before the trains came. 90 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: They had a wait for it delay four years. They 91 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: had a wait for it funding shortfull, no guarantee who 92 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 3: would pay for that. The original price was seventy eight million, 93 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: the new price one hundred and twenty eight million dollars. 94 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: Sounds a little bit like the ferries, doesn't it, Or 95 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: the Tahara and Auckland thing with a ghost train where 96 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: nobody used it. At least this time, hopefully, it looks 97 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: like we're going to get the job done. Eleven after 98 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: five news talks, here'd be teacher, pay the minimum wage. 99 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: Next views and views you trust to start your day. 100 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: It's earlier this ship with Bryan Bridge and one route 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: love where you live? 102 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: Five news talks'd be bive. 103 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: Thirteen on news talks, he'd be with Tom Phillips. Can 104 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: you blame police for not finding him for four years? 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: How is it that a man can go missing with 106 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: three children in bush, in a small place like New 107 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: Zealand and not be found. There'll be criticism of the police, 108 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: I bet, but I think you've got to go easy 109 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: on them, because look, I mean even in Australia, you've 110 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: got that sovereign citizen guy on the run. He's killed 111 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: two Victorian police officers. He's on the run. Sure, it's 112 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: only been weeks, not years. But if a person knows 113 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: the terrain, knows the bush like the back of his hand, 114 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: he has an advantage. This guy is bush hardened. I mean, yes, 115 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: you can, you can pick around the edges at the 116 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: police response, but I don't think is there a police 117 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: force in the world that would have come here and 118 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: found Tom Phillips. 119 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: That is the question. 120 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: Fourteen after five newspapers Rambridge, do the secondary teachers have 121 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: a leg to stand on? That's the question the union 122 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: are telling their members they should vote down the government's 123 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: new payoffer. This is after the Ministry doubled the previous 124 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: one two point five percent in the first year two 125 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: percent in the next lighton Watson's senior lecture of Mass 126 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: and Stats at Canterbury Unions with me this morning late 127 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 3: and good. 128 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 9: Morning, good morning worry. Thanks for having me on. 129 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: So you don't think this is enough. You've done a 130 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: comparison to the minimum wage as a benchmark what is 131 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: the difference. 132 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 9: So teacher salaries have kind of plummeted relative to the 133 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 9: minimum wage and I guess, maybe more importantly to the 134 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 9: median wage over the past twenty five years. In nineteen 135 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 9: ninety nine, beginning teachers paid thirty three thousand dollars and 136 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 9: nowadays they're paid sixty four thousand dollars, which seems like 137 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 9: like a great increase. But if a beginning teachers paid 138 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 9: the same amount now as they were in nineteenninety nine 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 9: relative to the minimum wage, that the earning of one 140 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 9: hundred thousand dollars, and if they're paid the same as 141 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 9: they were relative to the median wage offer have kept 142 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 9: up with median wage inflation, then they're be getting paid 143 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 9: eighty one thousand dollars or about seventeen thousand dollars more 144 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 9: than they're currently paid. 145 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: Okay, so you reckon they should be getting at least 146 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: seventeen grand more than they're currently being paid. Would this 147 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: new offer not do there? 148 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 9: This new offer is an increase of two point five 149 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 9: to two point seventy five percent, depending on where they 150 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 9: sit on the salary scale, which equates to about thirteen 151 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 9: hundred or two thousand, five hundred dollars depending off the 152 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 9: bottom or the top of the salary scale, and over 153 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 9: the last twenty five years they're decreased relative to the 154 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 9: meeting wage. Sofer, if teacher salaries had kept out with 155 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 9: the average wage inflation, then they should be earning seventeen 156 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 9: thousand dollars. And I'm not really making adjudgment here, I'm 157 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 9: just giving you the numbers that seventeen thousand dollars is 158 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 9: a lot more than thirteen hundred. 159 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, understand So with the minimum wage comparison, is everybody 160 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: not in everyone who's working right now? 161 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: Have they not? 162 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: Also because the minimum wages shot up, I mean we're 163 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: going up twenty two percent in the last two in 164 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: the last three years. 165 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: Alone of the labor government. 166 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: Has everyone not fallen behind and in relative terms to 167 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: the minimum wage because it's been ramped up so rapidly. 168 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, So all about twenty five years, minimum wagees increased 169 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 9: by factor of three, whereas teacher salaries have only increased 170 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 9: by factor of two. But I guess the difference is 171 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 9: the medium wages increased by factor of two point five, 172 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 9: And so that's really that. You know, you can make 173 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 9: arguments about the minimum wage should be higher than it 174 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 9: was of seven dollars twenty five years ago. And I 175 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 9: don't think people are going to argue with that. But 176 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 9: I think there's the difference between teacher salaries and what 177 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 9: the average worker, the average wage. Inflation has been and 178 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 9: teacher salaries have not kept up. 179 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: What about other comparable industries. 180 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 9: So with this work looking at teacher salaries, I also 181 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 9: looked at a bunch of kind of healthcare professions and 182 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 9: there's been similar similar kind of elusion of income across 183 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 9: a read of other housecal professions as well as education. 184 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: It's a it's always a state funded organization, state funded 185 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: industries that seem to have this problem, isn't it. 186 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 10: Yeah? 187 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, And you know, I don't lead the government from 188 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 9: making decisions about where to put their money. 189 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we should privatize everything. Then that might keep up. 190 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 9: I think there might be some other issues associated with privatization. 191 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: Laton, appreciate your time this morning, Laton Watson Senior Lecture 192 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: of Mass and Stats, Canterbury, Unique time at seventeen after five. 193 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: Where's the cheapest rent in the country? 194 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: Next? 195 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth 196 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: analysis Early edition with Ryan Bridge and One Route love 197 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: where you live? News talks'd be. 198 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: Whose talks would be? We will get to Tom Phillips. 199 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: We're speaking to a private investigator who's been tracking this 200 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: guy for the last few years. That is just before 201 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: six this morning. Ryan, good to have you back, says Clive. Clive, 202 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 3: thank you Ryan. Not only about finding him, he was 203 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: also so irrationally, so irrational. This is Tom Phillips. How 204 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 3: could they not have come across this campsite if, in 205 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: fact it was two kilometers away from where they were 206 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: standing at the press conference yesterday. 207 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: It's a good question. 208 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: And someone says, you know, why didn't they find this 209 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: campsite a year ago? Well, they weren't just in one campsite. 210 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: They were moving around the whole era. It's a massive area. 211 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: There's a lot of farmland, there's a lot of dense bush, 212 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: massive area. They weren't just in one place for the 213 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: last four years they were on the run. New data 214 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 3: shows rents down three percent nationwide to the lowest point 215 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: since twenty twenty three. New listings while You're drowning in 216 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: them up sixteen percent nationwide, and Wellington have more than doubled. 217 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: Nick Tuffley, ASBTV conins with us. 218 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 2: This morning, Nick, Good morning, Good morning. So basics supply 219 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: and demand. 220 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 10: Very much an economics lesson in that we've got not 221 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 10: just more listing sort have come through onto the market, 222 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 10: but when you also look in the background, we've gone 223 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 10: from a few years ago we had that really strong 224 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 10: net immigration, rental growth really strong. Now that net immigration 225 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 10: has faded to a whisper and you've got a lot 226 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 10: of supply, a lot of building activity that's still brought 227 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 10: new houses onto the market as well. 228 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: What's bucking this trend which areas well. 229 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 10: I think in general what you're seeing is when you're 230 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 10: looking at provincial New Zealand, that's where rents have tended 231 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 10: to hold up or increase. In this particular data, there's 232 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 10: been a couple of areas that have done pretty well, 233 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 10: like Southland and West Coast. Now a couple of caveats 234 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 10: areas when you get into a small region you get 235 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 10: a little bit of noise and a bit of bouncing around, 236 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 10: But those ones you've seen some strong rental growth coming through. 237 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 10: But just be aware when you've only got a few 238 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 10: properties on the market and you're comparing to a year ago, 239 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 10: it could be a very different could be a mention 240 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 10: this time could have been at a louthouse last year 241 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 10: that you're comparing to. 242 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: Does this have a snowball effect and potentially impact house 243 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: prices When you yield started roading for your rental owners, 244 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 3: for your landlords, then the property values start dropping too, 245 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 3: and perhaps they're more inclined to sell. 246 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 10: It can at the margin. I think what we've got 247 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 10: to remember is that what teams to drive rents over 248 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 10: a long time. There are a lot more linked to 249 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 10: income in terms of what can people actually pay in 250 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 10: less to prices. But it'd be fair to say when 251 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 10: you're looking at a landlord at the moment your income, yes, 252 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 10: that's down, but also think about your costs as well. 253 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 10: For your biggest cost, which is your mortgage, has been 254 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 10: reducing a little bit, but in the background you've still 255 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 10: got a lot of outgoings like your your rates and 256 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 10: your insurance that are still creeping up. 257 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: Nick Toughly, a spechief economist on Rent's good to have 258 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: you here this morning, twenty two minutes after five interesting 259 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 3: piece from interest dot Co yesterday. You want the cheapest 260 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: interest rate in town, go to Masterton. Yeah, I know, 261 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: a bit random, but Masterton's where you're heading the wided 262 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: upper building society has beaten all the big banks. The 263 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: springs on four point five nine percent for two years 264 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 3: is what they're offering you. Four point five nine percent 265 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: for two years, first time in twenty years they reckon. 266 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: A non bank has had the lowest rate for what 267 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: is a popular fixed term one we all like taking. 268 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: Almost everyone else is on four point seven five percent. 269 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: So there's a sixteen basis point out advantage to your 270 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: winded up a building society. However, if you look at 271 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: the fine print of what the big banks are offering, 272 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: you will probably also get a cash back of three 273 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: and a half thousand dollars, which brings you back to 274 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: about the same So. 275 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: Worth doing your homework as always. 276 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: Twenty three after five, I have some thoughts on Tom Phillips. 277 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: I'll share them with you next. 278 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio pow it 279 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: by News Talks. 280 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: AB News Talks their b It is five twenty five. 281 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: It's brutal, but Tom Phillips brought this whole thing on himself. Yes, 282 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: he was killed, and that is a very hard and 283 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: sad fact. 284 00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: That his kids are going to have to live with 285 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: for the rest of their lives. Their dad is dead, but. 286 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: He shot a cop and innocent local constable who was 287 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: just trying to do his job. Tom Phillips also deprived 288 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: his children of their mum, of any professional medical attention, 289 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: of any formal education for four years. Ember was five 290 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: when they were taken. Bush hasn't been to school since 291 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: she's now nine. The kids were essentially used as helpers 292 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: as dad carried out bank robberies, burglaries, breakings. These are 293 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: not the actions of a father who wants the best 294 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: for his kid. Any parent who loves their child knows 295 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: you do not put them in harm's way. Much will 296 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: be made of the custody situation in the coming days, 297 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: but the fact is we don't know much detail about 298 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: this and likely never will. Well, the full story won't 299 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: come out. When he went Bush the second time, Tom 300 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: was in breach of a custody order. That's about all 301 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: we know because family court cases are wrapped up in 302 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 3: suppression Fort Knox in this country to protect the kids. 303 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: But whatever happened before court, whatever happened in court, no 304 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: matter how unfair or unjust a case may be, If 305 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: you take the law into your own hands, run away 306 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: with your own kids, deprive them of an education and 307 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: contact with society for four years. Then the outcomes are 308 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: yours to own and yours alone. The outcomes are bittersweet. 309 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: In this case, a father is dead, a police constable 310 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: is in hospital, lucky to be alive, and three children 311 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: have survived, at least physically, a dangerous situation. 312 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: They should never have been put in in the first place. 313 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: Branbridge. 314 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: Right, it is five twenty seven on Newstaloks. You've been 315 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: nine two ninety two is the number to text. We 316 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: are going to speak just before six this morning to 317 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: a private investigator who's been following and tracking Tom Phillips 318 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: for the past few years. Right, let's get some numbers 319 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: for you. Let's take a look at rates, because I 320 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: know how much you love talking about rates from local authorities. 321 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: We had numbers out yesterday. Over the past year rates 322 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: income was up thirteen point two percent nationally. Thank you 323 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: Wayne Brown, thank you Tory Farno, thank you every council 324 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: across the well most councils across the country, so up 325 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: over thirteen point two percent over the last year, which 326 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: is about the average for the past four quarters. There 327 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: has never been such a surge in the thirty three 328 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: year history of the quarterly data that was released yesterday. 329 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: So if you feel like your rates bill's gone up. 330 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: You're not wrong. Interesting what's happening in Argentina? Harvio Melay. 331 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: This is the madman with the chainsaw. Where's the sunglasses inside? 332 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: The Trump of South America, they call him. So he 333 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: gets in, he's liberty and as the day is long, 334 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: hacks government spending, Inflation falls, axes and tire government departments. 335 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: Growth increases. Good, right, But he's just underperformed in a 336 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 3: local election in Bonis Series. In fact, he got and 337 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: that's half of the population of Argentina is in Buenos Aires. 338 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: So in these local elections he gets thirty four percent, 339 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 3: his party, the lefties forty seven percent. So there's pushback 340 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: against some of his policies. He's in a bit of 341 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: political trouble. Says he'll do a reset. They've got congressional 342 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: elections there in October where he's hoping to get more seats, 343 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: but that might be an uphill battle. 344 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: News Talk said, b we can. 345 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 9: Fly away, stealing America decision lived now living died this way. 346 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day Early 347 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: edition with Ryan bridge and one roofe love where you live? 348 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: News Talk said b Again. 349 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 11: Good morning, it is twenty four minutes away from six 350 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 11: year on news Talk, said Brian. The kids probably had 351 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 11: a better life with dad in the bush. This is 352 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 11: the kind of division that you're seeing come through on 353 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 11: the text machine. 354 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: This is from Jim. 355 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 3: I'll wait to see the evidence of the great harm 356 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: that's been done to them. It'd be a bloody dream. 357 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: I reckon to be in the bush gym. I mean, honestly, 358 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 3: do you want to be running around where the guy 359 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 3: who is carrying weapons and shooting cops? I don't think 360 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: that is good for a child. Georgie says Ryan. The 361 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 3: risk of the children was massive. Sure the camp might 362 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: have been two kilometers away, but apparently the bush was 363 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 3: so rugged it took them ages to get there, and 364 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: it did. There is no good outcome if people are 365 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: prepared to use weapons on people, especially police officers. Twenty 366 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 3: three away from six Now, a very quick update on 367 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: the housing situation. We've done the rents this morning. Let's 368 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: do your values. This is a starter out from QV 369 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: for the August quarter. Average home values down point eight 370 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: zero point eight percent for the quarter. This is nationally. 371 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 3: Auckland you wore down one point four percent, Gisbone you 372 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: are down one point four, Hastings you are up one 373 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 3: point seven percent, bucking the trend there. Wellington down and 374 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: I won't be surprising two point four percent, Nelson down 375 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: three point two percent, and in Vcagol you are up 376 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: slightly point four. It is twenty three to six. Ryan 377 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: jieshwar reporters around the country. Before six we will get 378 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: to a private investigator on Tom Phillips and we're live 379 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 3: to Australia Cullen Proctors and to need and Collum. Good morning, morning, Ryan, 380 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: A fresh chapter for a small Otago town. 381 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 12: Yeah, beautiful part of the world. 382 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: This is Toho in the Ida Valley. 383 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 12: Almost the whole main street of this town is up 384 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 12: for sale thanks to five simultaneous retirements. It means that 385 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 12: three homes and otahuh To Bed and Breakfasts and accommodation park, 386 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 12: are the historic pub there and the oldest operating general 387 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 12: store in New Zealand are all up for sale at 388 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 12: the same time. Ali says they're wanting to hand the 389 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 12: reins over to the next generation and this is a 390 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 12: wonderful opportunity to be a part of a thriving community 391 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 12: population less than one hundred. She says she'd like to 392 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 12: see more young families and business owners take. 393 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: Up the offer. How much how much are we paying? 394 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: Do we know? A good question? 395 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 12: PGG you right, so and I think it's handling, handling 396 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 12: the finances. But great opportunity for some New Zealanders. 397 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: You get in there. 398 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 12: How's the weather there, Colum, cloudy periods today, possible light 399 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 12: afternoon shower northerlyas and fifteen. 400 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: All right, thank you clears than christ Church? Clear, good morning, good. 401 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: This is the good news story out of christ Church 402 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 3: in a way, but the reason not a great one. 403 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 13: Clear, Yeah, that's exactly right. Look, ten air purifiers have 404 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 13: been gifted to a school down here. This is by 405 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 13: the asper Asthma and Respiratory Foundation that they're donating these 406 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 13: air scrubbers to Tepa O La Kaihotu, which is a 407 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 13: kuda or school in Lindwood. This is you know, seems 408 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 13: a good thing, but it isn't. After some health and 409 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 13: safety reports identified multiple issues with their seventy year old buildings, 410 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 13: including rotting walls, mold growth, and multiple leaks, the ASPAC 411 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 13: and Respiratory Foundation chief executive let teacher Harding says kids 412 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 13: simply can't learn, teachers cannot teach in these kinds of environments. 413 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 13: She says it's not ideal, but it is a temporary 414 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 13: fix for a school that needs better infrastructure investment and 415 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 13: a chance for the government to take stock of our 416 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 13: learning environment, especially as they transition from open planned classrooms. 417 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: How's your weather clear? 418 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 8: Fine? 419 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 13: A bit of high cloud expected this evening Norberis. 420 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 3: And a high sixteen last one max is in Wellington 421 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: max the housing stump still the most pronounced in the country. 422 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: We're just given numbers on that. 423 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 14: Actually, yeah, yeah, let me expand a bit on how 424 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 14: bad it is in Wellington. And look, our peak a 425 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 14: few years ago was just nuts, so the decline was 426 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 14: always going to be greater here. But there does seem 427 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 14: to be such little confidence in the region's market right now. 428 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 14: And this latest qv data has the whole country down 429 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 14: over three months by close twelve percent, but Wellington City 430 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 14: down two and a half percent. That's roughly double the 431 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 14: fallen christ Church Auckland. We are a pretty astonishing thirty 432 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 14: percent down on what that market peak was in early 433 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 14: twenty twenty two. For an average in the city of 434 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 14: one point four to four million to now barely a million. 435 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 14: Lower hut also massively down. Apparently the better well maintained 436 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 14: homes are doing okay, but you can pick up the 437 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 14: cheaper homes for cheaper basically essentially at the former rentals 438 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 14: as well. I'm not sure these are the ones that'll 439 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 14: be worth five million dollars to a foreign investor. This 440 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 14: is spreading to wide Appa as well apparently, which is 441 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 14: also struggling now. Carterton apparently one of the worst town's 442 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 14: regions in the country as well. 443 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, for a lot of reasons. Oh Cadlan, Hey, are 444 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: you a rental or an owner? 445 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 15: Max? 446 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: I'm still a renter because the rental. 447 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: Market they have doubled the listings in the past year 448 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: that it's not data out this morning as well. 449 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: Have you noticed that rents are coming down? Well? 450 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 14: I have noticed in the past few years that it 451 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 14: is also harder to find tenants for landlords. Landlords seem 452 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 14: to be really struggling. But then you know, for someone 453 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 14: in my position, I could afford to buy a townhouse tomorrow, 454 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 14: but who would want to buy a flat and apartment? 455 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 14: It doesn't seem like a good investment, not as many 456 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 14: townhouses popping up as saying christ Church, which just seems 457 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 14: to be full of townhouses. And I suppose I'm symptomatic 458 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 14: of the problem where I just don't have any confidence 459 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 14: in buying right now. 460 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. How's your weather? 461 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 14: A little cloud around, stronger norther least thirteen the high central. 462 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 3: Respue Cheers Max Neighbors and Auckland Hay Neighborreetings, We've got 463 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: a traffic management company in liquidation. 464 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 16: Yes, now, this big Auckland traffic management company called Absolute 465 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 16: Traffic Solutions based in Witty being liquidated over a one 466 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 16: point one million dollars the old and the revenue debt, 467 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 16: costing eighty five people their jobs. Dig Be Noise. 468 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 10: What a great name. 469 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 16: Anyway, he's saying about sixty staff. They have since been 470 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 16: re employed. This is on short term contracts. He's going 471 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 16: to sell the business. Employees owed about four hundred and 472 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 16: fifty thousand dollars. Just another one, isn't it of you know, 473 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 16: the latest one. So this Absolute Traffic Solutions, you know 474 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 16: they do everything from traffic management and hiring all those 475 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 16: you know, while equipment hire really an emergency response. 476 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: Stop ghost signs. 477 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 3: It's very sad. And whenever anyone loses their jobs. It 478 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: is very sad news. But there will be people who 479 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: will celebrate this as some sort of victory against road comes. 480 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 481 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 16: That's the first thing I saw. 482 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: When I saw this, I thought, oh gosh, how's our weather? 483 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 16: Okay, cloudy isolated Charles from afternoon fifteen is the high 484 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 16: here in Auckland. 485 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 3: Brilliant Neva, Thank you. It is seventeen away from six. 486 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: You're listening to News Talk ZVB a private investigator on 487 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: Tom Phillips. Before six. We're live in Australia. Aaron Patterson 488 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: will be eighty two before she is allowed out of 489 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: prison over the mushroom deaths. 490 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: International correspondence with endsit Eye Insurance, peace of mind for 491 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: New Zealand business. 492 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: He talks a bit as fourteen away from sex. We'll 493 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 3: get to a private investigator on Tom Phillips in just 494 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: a second. First we are going to Donaldamao, Australia correspondent. 495 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: Here is the Beef Wellington survivor, Ian Wilkinson speaking outside 496 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: court after the mushroom lady is she's become known. Aaron 497 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 3: Patterson gets thirty three years. 498 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 17: They made a professional efficient, had effective investigation into what 499 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 17: happened at the lunch. They brought to light the truth 500 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 17: of what happened with the death of free, good people. 501 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 17: We're grateful for their skills that brought this truth to light. 502 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: Donald Demayo is an Australia correspondent. Donna, what's the reaction 503 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: being to that sentence, Well, of. 504 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 18: Course everyone wanted to know what would happen with Aaron 505 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 18: Patterson after that ten week trial, and we know that 506 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 18: huge crowds were at the court inside and outside. Many 507 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 18: people tried to get a snap or a glimpse as 508 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 18: the prison van left yesterday afternoon. Interestingly, we've noted that 509 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 18: Simon Patterson, the estranged husband, did not attend their sentencing hearing, 510 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 18: as we know he was the last minute withdrawal from 511 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 18: that fatal lunch. He has not spoken to the media 512 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 18: and word is now that he's planning a podcast, so 513 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 18: stay tuned for that. We also, of course heard from 514 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 18: the judge who said that Eron's failure to exhibit any 515 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 18: remorse pause salt into the victim's wounds, and the judge 516 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 18: also said she not only cut short three lives, she 517 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 18: inflicted untold suffering on her own children. Whom she robbed 518 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 18: of their beloved grandparents. Another thing that Ian Wilkinson, the 519 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 18: survivor said in that statement is that he said, I'd 520 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 18: like to encourage everybody to be kind to each other. 521 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 18: We know now that the non prop period is thirty 522 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 18: three years, and we do believe that Erin will be 523 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 18: in solitary confinement for most of those years. As we mentioned, 524 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 18: you know, the judge are noting that she's shown no remorse, 525 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 18: but also he said only she knows why she committed 526 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 18: these crimes. 527 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: Donna, thanks to that update. Donnod to my our Australia correspondent. 528 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: It is twelve minutes away. 529 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: From six Bryan Bridge. 530 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: Tom Phillips is dead, the three kids are safe. The 531 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 3: a cop who was shot, expected to survive. They were 532 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: found in the campground about two k's from the quad 533 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 3: bike shootout location. 534 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: Bush was rough and rugged, and. 535 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 19: I can tell you with great relief this evening that 536 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 19: soon after four thirty today we've located Tom phillips remaining children. 537 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 19: They've been found in a camp site not far from here, 538 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 19: further up the Tioga Road. I can confirm that the 539 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 19: children are well and uninjured. 540 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: Chris Budge is a private investigator who was looking for 541 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: Tom Phillips with us this morning. 542 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: Chris, good morning, Good morning. 543 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 15: Certainly an exciting but sad day. 544 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: What did you make of the low location. 545 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 15: That's within within the thought pattern? Everybody thought the sort 546 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 15: of sort of halfway between the triangle of Osrahanng and 547 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 15: Maricoppa and the dairy where he's been seen more than once. 548 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 15: So it's certainly within the area. It'd be interesting to 549 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 15: see what comes out around camp site, you know, it 550 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 15: was it was it structured exactly what was there and 551 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 15: that that's what the police were going through on their 552 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 15: forensic examination. 553 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 3: What sort of square kilometers area are we talking about 554 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: that we thought he was in? 555 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 15: Well, overall, it's kind of thought it was round about 556 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 15: a sixty kilometer square area going all the way up 557 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 15: to calf here at the north and probably the dairy 558 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 15: area where he's seeing to the south, and that area 559 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 15: there is it has some very rugged parts that country 560 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 15: road gravel roads, as we saw in the media last night. 561 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 15: So certainly there are isolated little communities and also buildings 562 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 15: are certainly plenty of farts, so it is an area 563 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 15: that is quite hard to look through, which is obviously 564 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 15: why the police were been able to locate them over 565 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 15: the last few years. 566 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: What about the heat seeking thing, This idea that you 567 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: can get choppers up, you can get drones up and 568 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: they will give you thermal imaging and you should be 569 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: able to find them. 570 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: Were they in a cave? 571 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 15: No, No, Thermal imaging is actually quite easy to hide behind. 572 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 15: I do go out hunting and you could have an 573 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 15: animal or a person hiding behind a solid tree trunk 574 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 15: or under a level of a foliage and the thermals 575 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 15: will not come out. So it's not one hundred percent guarantee. 576 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 15: You would have to have them in a semi open 577 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 15: or under a light foliage to be able to be 578 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 15: able to spot them. So it's one method of investigation, 579 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 15: but it's not absolute. 580 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 3: Some people say that Tom Phillips is a hero, that 581 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: he has done you did the right thing, that there 582 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: was a custody, a disput et cetera. 583 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: What do you say to those people. 584 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 15: I have looked at the social media over the last 585 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 15: twenty four hours and previously, but especially over the last 586 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 15: twenty four hours, and listen, I'm really surprised with the 587 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 15: negativity around people that people are saying things like I 588 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 15: hope the cop doesn't survive. The system is dad people 589 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 15: are bullies. I find that absolutely disgusting. We have a 590 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 15: circumstances where I have said for quite from the very 591 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 15: start of a situation of a father who has abscondered, 592 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 15: have abducted his children away from the wider family group, 593 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 15: and it's not just the father's decision, it's more around 594 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 15: removing choice in socialization for those children and hiding away 595 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 15: from everybody. So I think those people are wrong and 596 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 15: taking a really big chill prill in regards to what 597 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 15: our the Zealand society is all about. It's more about 598 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 15: being together, being with families and giving children the best opportunity. 599 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: That they could have. 600 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: Chris Budge, private investigator who was looking for Tom Phillips. 601 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: It is eight to six news Talks. 602 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: Eb get ahead the headlines on early edition with Ryan 603 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: Branch and one roof Love where you Live News Talks. 604 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: That'd be sixty six on News Talks. He'd be loads 605 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: of texts on Tom Phillips. As you can imagine people, 606 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: most people saying you cannot do that, but some people 607 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: still defending him. A bit of housekeeping for Early Edition 608 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: this morning. 609 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: Ryan. 610 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: I always loved listening to your Wellington reporter Max's update. 611 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: He always has something amusing to say. I agree he does. Interestingly, 612 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: he always says the weather followed by the word central. 613 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: Is this a British thing or a Max quirk? Well, 614 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: we have to ask him. 615 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 616 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: Lots of people also asking what was the song we 617 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: played after the five point thirty news Olivia Dean Man, 618 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: I need was the song? 619 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: Mike is in the studio, Mike, good morning. 620 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 15: Good morning. 621 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 20: I'm just reading about Absolute Traffic Solutions. 622 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: Yes, do you know about them? 623 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I've just heard that they are eighty five staff, 624 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: although sixty you've already found new short term contracts. 625 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 20: How is it possible that you can be in the 626 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 20: business of traffic management in New Zealand and be outage 627 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 20: and not run your company to the point where you're 628 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 20: making not only a profit but some sort of exorbitant 629 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 20: profit and you're living in the Bahamas? 630 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: Is this the Wayne Brown anti Cone effect? Though taking force, 631 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 3: taking action? 632 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: Perhaps it is. 633 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 20: Is one hundred and ten thousand dollars a reasonable income. 634 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: For one person or a household one person? I think so? 635 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 20: Teacher, that's what a teacher is. 636 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't. 637 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 20: You're getting to the point. Brian Roach is on the 638 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 20: program after seven o'clock this morning. You're getting to the 639 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 20: point applies to the nurses. Nurses earn even more, and 640 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 20: every time I raise it, people go mental, They go, 641 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 20: I know somebody and they don't, et cetera. And you 642 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 20: can't argue with the numbers. You're talking about a primary 643 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 20: teacher on one hundred and ten thousand dollars. It's got 644 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 20: to the point now where you're starting to think, because 645 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 20: there's the whole thing with industrial relations is sympathy, of course, 646 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 20: and we're on their side, aren't we, you know, because 647 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 20: we like teachers, we like nurses, we like doctors. But 648 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 20: there comes a point where in a country where the 649 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 20: average wages seventy to eighty thousand dollars that you're going 650 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 20: I tell you what, one ten's not bad. 651 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: And no one else is getting two and a half percent. 652 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 20: Well when you say two and a half, it's actually 653 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 20: four percent. Yeah, yeah, you're adding these numbers to give 654 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 20: you think. 655 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 3: That because all of these and these industries that we 656 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 3: talk about are all government funded, aren't they? 657 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: So what if we just privatize them all? 658 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 20: Well, you could do that or you could. You know, 659 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 20: I've always argued you pay teachers on merit. In other words, 660 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 20: you know you're good, I'll give you two hundred and 661 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 20: fifty thousand dollars, and over here the useless one earns 662 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 20: forty two. 663 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: Which they argue, know you will strip all the poorer 664 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: schools of the good teacher, of. 665 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 20: Course, and so that's fine. So the downside of what 666 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 20: they want is that everybody gets the same thing. Therefore 667 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 20: the bill is gargantu and every time you get a 668 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 20: pay rise, but there comes a point where you start 669 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 20: to think. 670 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 2: How much enough's enough? Just what is it? 671 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: It's a good bargaining technic. Either take this offer or 672 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 3: will privatize is a little. 673 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: Bit of that. 674 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 20: We'll see how much frustration we'll get from Brian Roach. 675 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 20: Please skimmission of this morning as well. We're ready chambers 676 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 20: back in the MICA's next. 677 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: Have a great day, everybody, see you tomorrow on Early Editions. 678 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 679 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: to news Talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or 680 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.