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Speaker 1: We owe our kids. In apology, I reckon for using

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Speaker 1: them as guinea pigs and education. Let me explain my

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Speaker 1: thinking on this. We've had two announcements from the government

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Speaker 1: this week, and both I think prove a case that

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Speaker 1: we've wasted crucial time on failed experiments. First, the NCAA

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Speaker 1: maths results that we talked about the other day for

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Speaker 1: low decile schools in particular, these are our poorest kids.

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Speaker 1: They improved by around seventy percent, so jumping from nineteen

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Speaker 1: point eight percent passing the corequisite test last year and

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Speaker 1: June it was thirty four percent. This is obviously excellent news,

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Speaker 1: well done to the students, but the begging question is why,

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Speaker 1: how on earth did this happen? How did we turn

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Speaker 1: the numbers around so quickly, and how did we let

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Speaker 1: them get so bad in the first place. I asked

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Speaker 1: Erica Stamford this question this week. Hipkin's the same thing,

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Speaker 1: and both of them uniquely agreed that teachers have been

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Speaker 1: teaching too much fluffy other to students, and their results

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Speaker 1: in core subjects have been declining as a result. In

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Speaker 1: other words, the kids weren't failing because they weren't trying.

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Speaker 1: They were failing because they weren't being taught properly. Second thing,

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Speaker 1: this open plan classroom announcement today in a home of

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Speaker 1: distracted learning, stupid idea. Government announced they're not going to

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Speaker 1: build any new ones. Good welcome news, but again the

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Speaker 1: question is why were we building them in the first place.

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Speaker 1: The Key government built some labor carried on. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this is a particular party, it's just governments of

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Speaker 1: all stripes. All of this on the advice of boffins

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Speaker 1: at the Ministry of Education, by the way, who clearly

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Speaker 1: have never stepped foot in an actual classroom. Now the

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Speaker 1: minister says they've done some actual research and realize terrible idea.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Erica Stanford politely describe how schools are coping

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Speaker 1: right now with these classrooms, these barnyard classrooms.

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Speaker 2: There are schools who still have them, and they operate

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Speaker 2: in them the best they possibly can. They've trained their

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Speaker 2: teachers to work in them. They've got really good acoustics.

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Speaker 2: They're teaching children at different levels, so some up and chairs,

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Speaker 2: some on the floor to reduce the noise, and are

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Speaker 2: doing the best they can.

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Speaker 1: Kids sitting on the floor to learn because of acoustic

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Speaker 1: issues in a classroom is the dumbest thing I think

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Speaker 1: I've heard from our education system. Well second dumbest behind

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Speaker 1: teaching them fluff. I mean, and they're on the floor

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Speaker 1: and you're teaching them the wrong stuff. It's a recipe

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Speaker 1: for disaster. So the reality is we can't solely blame

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Speaker 1: our kids for their failure to learn. We can also

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Speaker 1: blame some pretty ill informed and ideologically driven experiments by

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Speaker 1: the Ministry of Education. You have to save the unions

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Speaker 1: and clearly some politicians for more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive.

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