1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks ed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:19,253 --> 00:00:21,013 Speaker 1: Strike Down the Middle. 4 00:00:20,733 --> 00:00:24,373 Speaker 2: Of Dry, Dicky Scy try. 5 00:00:28,693 --> 00:00:33,213 Speaker 1: Get inside the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct 6 00:00:33,333 --> 00:00:37,053 Speaker 1: with Elliot Smith and Leam Napier powered by News Talks EDB. 7 00:00:37,453 --> 00:00:42,733 Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Forklift Solutions. Back again 8 00:00:42,933 --> 00:00:45,053 Speaker 2: as we count down to the first test of the 9 00:00:45,133 --> 00:00:48,573 Speaker 2: Rugby Championship. 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But before we get into that big 14 00:01:01,053 --> 00:01:04,573 Speaker 2: welcome into Liam Napier as always, greetings, great to be 15 00:01:04,613 --> 00:01:06,973 Speaker 2: here earlier yep, and we counting down obviously to that 16 00:01:07,013 --> 00:01:09,213 Speaker 2: test mat for some big news in the back end 17 00:01:09,253 --> 00:01:13,053 Speaker 2: of last week that Richie Muwong is returning to New 18 00:01:13,133 --> 00:01:17,773 Speaker 2: Zealand rugby in more eleven months time July twenty twenty 19 00:01:17,773 --> 00:01:21,493 Speaker 2: six through to December twenty twenty seven. I mean this 20 00:01:21,533 --> 00:01:23,733 Speaker 2: has been in the background for quite some time. Even 21 00:01:24,053 --> 00:01:26,933 Speaker 2: since he left. Basically it was trying to get him 22 00:01:26,973 --> 00:01:29,613 Speaker 2: back to New Zealand Rugby. They finally managed to get 23 00:01:29,653 --> 00:01:31,893 Speaker 2: his signature on the line for an eighteen month deal. 24 00:01:32,173 --> 00:01:34,453 Speaker 2: It means he'll play at the twenty twenty seven Rugby 25 00:01:34,493 --> 00:01:38,133 Speaker 2: World Cup, if selected and if fit. I guess your 26 00:01:38,133 --> 00:01:39,013 Speaker 2: reaction to that news. 27 00:01:39,013 --> 00:01:42,053 Speaker 3: First and foremost, it's not a surprise, as Elliott, I 28 00:01:42,093 --> 00:01:44,413 Speaker 3: think it was always a case of when, not if 29 00:01:44,933 --> 00:01:48,613 Speaker 3: Richie Muwanga would return home. It's probably a year later 30 00:01:48,653 --> 00:01:50,853 Speaker 3: than everyone anticipated. 31 00:01:51,573 --> 00:01:53,653 Speaker 4: Certainly there was a. 32 00:01:53,013 --> 00:01:56,493 Speaker 3: Widespread expectation that he would cut short that deal that 33 00:01:56,613 --> 00:02:02,693 Speaker 3: didn't eventuate. New Zealand Rugby ends Toshiba couldn't agree financial terms, 34 00:02:02,773 --> 00:02:07,013 Speaker 3: but he is coming home eighteen months. It's an interesting 35 00:02:07,853 --> 00:02:12,893 Speaker 3: length of contract. I guess it's does mean he's eligible 36 00:02:12,893 --> 00:02:16,293 Speaker 3: for the World Cup, as you mentioned, but it's a 37 00:02:16,293 --> 00:02:18,173 Speaker 3: bit of a hit and run mission, isn't It allows 38 00:02:18,213 --> 00:02:21,693 Speaker 3: him to potentially go back to Japan and kash and 39 00:02:21,773 --> 00:02:26,213 Speaker 3: again there and it's going to be a very interesting 40 00:02:26,293 --> 00:02:30,853 Speaker 3: dynamic for Scott Robinson to manage because Boden Barrett is 41 00:02:31,053 --> 00:02:35,453 Speaker 3: taking a claim as the All Blacks starting first choice. 42 00:02:35,493 --> 00:02:39,893 Speaker 3: Ten Damien McKenzie is there. You've got Reuben Love and 43 00:02:40,333 --> 00:02:43,133 Speaker 3: Stephen Peter Fetter and behind them. But Rich mu Wonga 44 00:02:43,773 --> 00:02:46,533 Speaker 3: is a world class ten. We haven't seen him on 45 00:02:46,533 --> 00:02:50,133 Speaker 3: the international stage for a couple of years, but Robinson 46 00:02:50,133 --> 00:02:52,653 Speaker 3: has always wanted him, hasn't he And now he will 47 00:02:52,653 --> 00:02:56,053 Speaker 3: get him back. How does he manage that scenario? 48 00:02:56,253 --> 00:02:58,453 Speaker 2: Well, I has been looking in the background and you know, 49 00:02:58,493 --> 00:03:01,133 Speaker 2: Boden Barrett and Damien McKenzie aren't stupid. They would know 50 00:03:01,253 --> 00:03:05,293 Speaker 2: that this was a likely possibility for twenty twenty seven 51 00:03:05,373 --> 00:03:08,653 Speaker 2: and that's you know, it's not really a surprise. I 52 00:03:08,653 --> 00:03:11,493 Speaker 2: don't think, you know, they can't have been thinking that 53 00:03:12,253 --> 00:03:14,093 Speaker 2: this is going to be straightforward that they're the one 54 00:03:14,133 --> 00:03:17,013 Speaker 2: two for the World Cup. Yup, There's going to be 55 00:03:17,013 --> 00:03:19,853 Speaker 2: some things to manage, but perhaps no more than other players. 56 00:03:19,893 --> 00:03:24,013 Speaker 2: It's just been a higher profile inclusion. And you know, 57 00:03:24,013 --> 00:03:26,813 Speaker 2: Boden Barrett himself has come back from playing in Japan, 58 00:03:27,213 --> 00:03:29,853 Speaker 2: hasn't missed much All Black rugby because of that. But 59 00:03:29,893 --> 00:03:31,853 Speaker 2: you know t J. Petinara has come back in There's 60 00:03:31,893 --> 00:03:34,973 Speaker 2: been precedent before and at some point later in the 61 00:03:35,013 --> 00:03:37,493 Speaker 2: year lestifying a Nuoku will come back in. So it's 62 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:39,893 Speaker 2: because I think the ten is such a pervotal role 63 00:03:40,013 --> 00:03:43,053 Speaker 2: that everyone goes house is going to be balanced. But 64 00:03:43,173 --> 00:03:46,933 Speaker 2: to this point in time, hard to argue that Barrett 65 00:03:46,973 --> 00:03:50,733 Speaker 2: or Mackenzie have gone there. You know, the laydown Missie 66 00:03:50,813 --> 00:03:52,933 Speaker 2: option to start at ten for the All Blacks right 67 00:03:52,973 --> 00:03:56,773 Speaker 2: through the cycle. Mackenzie had his opportunities last year. Now 68 00:03:56,893 --> 00:03:59,333 Speaker 2: Boden Barrett is the first choice in the minds of 69 00:03:59,373 --> 00:04:02,693 Speaker 2: that and suspect Richie Wong will get a run next year. 70 00:04:02,733 --> 00:04:06,053 Speaker 2: So over the next eighteen months or thereabouts, there's probably 71 00:04:06,093 --> 00:04:08,253 Speaker 2: going to be a lot of test matches for these 72 00:04:08,533 --> 00:04:10,853 Speaker 2: players to show they wear and by the time you 73 00:04:10,893 --> 00:04:13,653 Speaker 2: get to August September whenever it is, twenty twenty seven, 74 00:04:14,053 --> 00:04:15,973 Speaker 2: Bill Blacks will have an idea of their pecking order. 75 00:04:16,373 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Boden Barrett hasn't fully convinced yet, but 76 00:04:18,813 --> 00:04:22,653 Speaker 3: he's certainly building a case, isn't he that he has 77 00:04:23,053 --> 00:04:27,013 Speaker 3: come again as a test verse five? He is showing 78 00:04:27,053 --> 00:04:33,213 Speaker 3: that game control along with the moments of brilliance. But yeah, 79 00:04:33,293 --> 00:04:37,653 Speaker 3: I just this's going to be some personalities to manage 80 00:04:37,973 --> 00:04:40,773 Speaker 3: and some big selection calls because you bring a guy 81 00:04:40,893 --> 00:04:44,013 Speaker 3: like Richie Muwonga an out and out competitor, a world 82 00:04:44,053 --> 00:04:46,253 Speaker 3: class player. He's not going to want to sit on 83 00:04:46,253 --> 00:04:48,373 Speaker 3: the bench. He's going to want to start. You want 84 00:04:48,373 --> 00:04:52,213 Speaker 3: all the best players available for the All Blacks. But yeah, 85 00:04:52,253 --> 00:04:55,253 Speaker 3: it's going to be a tricky dynamic for Robertson to 86 00:04:55,253 --> 00:04:59,493 Speaker 3: manage because he has invested in Bowden, probably told him 87 00:04:59,533 --> 00:05:01,733 Speaker 3: he's his guy. He's told Damien he's right there and 88 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:03,973 Speaker 3: he's going to get his chance. And then suddenly Richie's 89 00:05:04,053 --> 00:05:08,933 Speaker 3: back and he's got eighteen months to contest that starting 90 00:05:08,973 --> 00:05:12,413 Speaker 3: ten Jersey. So and as you mentioned, there are other 91 00:05:12,493 --> 00:05:15,733 Speaker 3: dynamics that play there, listifying and look who could feasibly 92 00:05:15,813 --> 00:05:21,933 Speaker 3: push Rikawani out of the first choice squad. So how 93 00:05:22,093 --> 00:05:29,533 Speaker 3: Robertson manages those selection dynamics can have a destabilizing effect 94 00:05:29,533 --> 00:05:31,053 Speaker 3: on a squad potentially could do. 95 00:05:31,173 --> 00:05:34,013 Speaker 2: But there's no guarantee that by twenty twenty seven McKenzie 96 00:05:34,013 --> 00:05:36,893 Speaker 2: and Barretts or more longer for that exactly, for that matter, 97 00:05:37,293 --> 00:05:39,333 Speaker 2: in that All Blacks twenty twenty seven squad. You know, 98 00:05:39,533 --> 00:05:41,733 Speaker 2: players come in and out of times. You're not guaranteed 99 00:05:41,733 --> 00:05:45,573 Speaker 2: in All Blacks Jersey, So you know us you've got 100 00:05:45,573 --> 00:05:47,693 Speaker 2: to manage people that are in your squad. But there's 101 00:05:47,693 --> 00:05:50,733 Speaker 2: also a requirement to do what's best for the All 102 00:05:50,733 --> 00:05:52,453 Speaker 2: Blacks and the All Blacks Jersey. And if that is 103 00:05:52,493 --> 00:05:55,213 Speaker 2: selecting Richie Moonger because he's the best available ten in 104 00:05:55,333 --> 00:05:57,613 Speaker 2: Robertson's mind, then I think he has to go do it. 105 00:05:57,653 --> 00:06:01,973 Speaker 3: So what what shaped does Muwanga come back in? Because 106 00:06:02,013 --> 00:06:06,373 Speaker 3: generally Jordi Barrett's the exception and he tellingly didn't go 107 00:06:06,413 --> 00:06:11,293 Speaker 3: to Japan. He went to let Leinster. Muanga has led 108 00:06:11,733 --> 00:06:15,493 Speaker 3: to Shepard to back to back League One titles in 109 00:06:15,573 --> 00:06:18,413 Speaker 3: Japan and the footage you see of him as they're 110 00:06:18,413 --> 00:06:23,253 Speaker 3: still carving up playing well, but most, if not all 111 00:06:23,253 --> 00:06:25,333 Speaker 3: players that have come back from Japan take a while 112 00:06:25,373 --> 00:06:27,573 Speaker 3: to find their feet. It's a different style of rugby. 113 00:06:27,813 --> 00:06:31,293 Speaker 3: It's not at test rugby level. Eighteen months isn't a 114 00:06:31,373 --> 00:06:33,573 Speaker 3: huge amount of time and he's not just going to 115 00:06:33,613 --> 00:06:38,533 Speaker 3: be starting every game. What sort of form shape do 116 00:06:38,573 --> 00:06:39,613 Speaker 3: you expect him to come back in. 117 00:06:39,693 --> 00:06:42,973 Speaker 2: Well, two years driving to Shuba and two titles there 118 00:06:43,013 --> 00:06:44,733 Speaker 2: is what he's been able to deliver there, and yeah, 119 00:06:44,773 --> 00:06:47,133 Speaker 2: it's probably not at the same level of rugby. But 120 00:06:47,493 --> 00:06:50,893 Speaker 2: I think the Japanese competition is probably because it's out 121 00:06:50,933 --> 00:06:54,413 Speaker 2: of sight, out of mind, doesn't get the perhaps credit 122 00:06:54,453 --> 00:06:57,013 Speaker 2: it deserves. It has evolved into a much better competition 123 00:06:57,053 --> 00:06:59,653 Speaker 2: than it was five ten years ago. It's a lot tighter, 124 00:07:00,293 --> 00:07:02,973 Speaker 2: there's not as many blowouts than there has been before. 125 00:07:03,053 --> 00:07:05,853 Speaker 2: So yep, there'll be a major adjustment required from Moong 126 00:07:06,013 --> 00:07:07,853 Speaker 2: coming back to New Zealand rugby. But he's been in 127 00:07:07,893 --> 00:07:09,853 Speaker 2: the drivers seat and he's led them to two titles, 128 00:07:09,853 --> 00:07:12,773 Speaker 2: so he's clearly got that golden touch that has continued 129 00:07:12,813 --> 00:07:15,213 Speaker 2: at the Crusaders. There's a lot of factors at played 130 00:07:15,213 --> 00:07:16,893 Speaker 2: that are going to have to be managed and whether 131 00:07:16,933 --> 00:07:18,693 Speaker 2: he comes back in it and straight for his choice, so 132 00:07:18,733 --> 00:07:20,853 Speaker 2: whether he has to go and play some tour games, 133 00:07:20,853 --> 00:07:23,213 Speaker 2: whatever it might be, it's gonna be fascinating, as you said, 134 00:07:23,213 --> 00:07:24,053 Speaker 2: to see arm folds. 135 00:07:24,173 --> 00:07:25,573 Speaker 3: It is, and there's going to be a number of 136 00:07:25,733 --> 00:07:30,293 Speaker 3: comings and goings because next year Antonina Brown, Rico Awani 137 00:07:30,453 --> 00:07:34,933 Speaker 3: and Artie Severa or skipping Super Rugby, they will come 138 00:07:34,973 --> 00:07:38,293 Speaker 3: back and be available for the All Blacks. But and 139 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:42,973 Speaker 3: then Richie comes back, maybe Shannon Frazell as well, So look, 140 00:07:43,013 --> 00:07:45,733 Speaker 3: you get all those guys back on deck at strengthens 141 00:07:45,773 --> 00:07:46,773 Speaker 3: the All Blacks, doesn't. 142 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:48,973 Speaker 2: It It does, indeed a couple of other we but 143 00:07:49,253 --> 00:07:51,573 Speaker 2: some pieces doing the rounds and super Rugby. You've got 144 00:07:51,573 --> 00:07:54,493 Speaker 2: some whispers or some news to report to us on 145 00:07:54,573 --> 00:07:55,213 Speaker 2: Rugby Direct. 146 00:07:55,573 --> 00:07:57,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, if he whispers Eliot, it sounds like Angus Tartovel 147 00:07:57,893 --> 00:08:03,053 Speaker 3: potentially shifting from the Blues to the Highlanders form All 148 00:08:03,053 --> 00:08:07,333 Speaker 3: Blacks been well traveled around the traps. I guess he's 149 00:08:07,733 --> 00:08:10,813 Speaker 3: stuck behind. And Josh for Stur is a big mover 150 00:08:10,893 --> 00:08:13,373 Speaker 3: at the Blues and offered to hing a fuss. He's 151 00:08:13,373 --> 00:08:15,773 Speaker 3: meant to be back next year. That's yet to be confirmed, 152 00:08:15,773 --> 00:08:17,773 Speaker 3: but that's what I'm hearing, And apparently the Highland is 153 00:08:17,813 --> 00:08:21,573 Speaker 3: making a big play for Josh Jacob. Jacob has contracted 154 00:08:21,573 --> 00:08:26,133 Speaker 3: to the Chiefs in twenty twenty six. But for me, 155 00:08:26,293 --> 00:08:28,293 Speaker 3: I don't know how what you'll read on this is, 156 00:08:28,333 --> 00:08:31,973 Speaker 3: but he's a wasted talent at the Chiefs. He's barely 157 00:08:32,093 --> 00:08:35,653 Speaker 3: had many starts playing back up to McKenzie. The Hearland 158 00:08:35,693 --> 00:08:38,053 Speaker 3: is a crying out for a ten. Jacob's got a 159 00:08:38,093 --> 00:08:43,333 Speaker 3: young family. But in my mind it was a wrong decision, 160 00:08:43,453 --> 00:08:45,413 Speaker 3: or however you want to describe it, to turn down 161 00:08:45,453 --> 00:08:47,613 Speaker 3: the Crusaders when they approached him a couple of years ago. 162 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:50,933 Speaker 3: He could have had opportunities there. You need to be 163 00:08:50,933 --> 00:08:54,693 Speaker 3: playing rugby. He's started a lot for the All Blacks fifteen, 164 00:08:54,773 --> 00:08:58,853 Speaker 3: so he's on that radar, but his talents, his progression 165 00:08:59,013 --> 00:09:04,013 Speaker 3: has stagnated. So Brady McAllister moved from the Crusaders to 166 00:09:04,053 --> 00:09:04,893 Speaker 3: the Chiefs. 167 00:09:04,573 --> 00:09:05,893 Speaker 2: And he had a year to go on his contract 168 00:09:05,973 --> 00:09:07,693 Speaker 2: is where he got a early release from the Crusaders. 169 00:09:07,693 --> 00:09:08,053 Speaker 4: That's right. 170 00:09:08,333 --> 00:09:11,613 Speaker 3: It's not common, but it's not without precedent, and it 171 00:09:11,693 --> 00:09:13,453 Speaker 3: is good to be talking about these sort of stories 172 00:09:13,453 --> 00:09:16,413 Speaker 3: because super rogue we tends to die out of season, 173 00:09:17,173 --> 00:09:20,813 Speaker 3: so interesting to see where those guys end up. But 174 00:09:21,013 --> 00:09:23,573 Speaker 3: Heland is clearly on a big recruitment drive, having signed 175 00:09:23,613 --> 00:09:28,053 Speaker 3: David Kibwa, was defense coach. Jamie Joseph is expected to 176 00:09:28,133 --> 00:09:31,253 Speaker 3: lead their All Blacks fifteen. So could get in Jacob's 177 00:09:31,253 --> 00:09:32,893 Speaker 3: ear and try and convince him could do. 178 00:09:33,253 --> 00:09:36,853 Speaker 2: And I'm also hearing Olie mathis poised to sign for 179 00:09:36,893 --> 00:09:38,973 Speaker 2: the Crusaders. I know he's been asked about it in 180 00:09:39,053 --> 00:09:41,613 Speaker 2: recent weeks and has sort of played it down, but 181 00:09:41,613 --> 00:09:44,853 Speaker 2: my understanding is that he will be at the Crusaders. Well, 182 00:09:44,973 --> 00:09:47,333 Speaker 2: one of the young, real young talents of New Zealand rugby. 183 00:09:47,173 --> 00:09:52,333 Speaker 3: Very promising, undoubtedly shining again for Wakatur the other nights, 184 00:09:53,253 --> 00:09:57,533 Speaker 3: broad range of skills. Doesn't he for a loose forwards? Yeah? 185 00:09:57,533 --> 00:09:59,933 Speaker 3: I think those in Chiefs country would be pretty pretty 186 00:09:59,973 --> 00:10:00,653 Speaker 3: pissed about that. 187 00:10:00,693 --> 00:10:01,933 Speaker 4: But a good get for the Casaders. 188 00:10:02,013 --> 00:10:03,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Crusade mean the Chiefs have now got 189 00:10:03,973 --> 00:10:05,533 Speaker 2: to get another loose FORWD in the All Blacks and 190 00:10:05,573 --> 00:10:07,773 Speaker 2: the form Simon Parker, so it's pathway a little bit 191 00:10:07,773 --> 00:10:09,533 Speaker 2: blocked the end, although he could play out on the wing, 192 00:10:09,973 --> 00:10:13,733 Speaker 2: which we'll send him to for White Cut. So let's 193 00:10:13,733 --> 00:10:16,293 Speaker 2: get into the Rugby Championship with the All Blacks playing 194 00:10:16,413 --> 00:10:20,573 Speaker 2: Argentina first up. Obviously, the squad was named last week 195 00:10:20,613 --> 00:10:23,733 Speaker 2: for there's tour and a large squad for the tour. 196 00:10:24,213 --> 00:10:27,373 Speaker 2: I guess if you compare it to quote unquote the 197 00:10:27,373 --> 00:10:30,493 Speaker 2: top team that started the French series and say that 198 00:10:30,533 --> 00:10:33,413 Speaker 2: they say Wellington and that first test in Dunedin, do 199 00:10:33,453 --> 00:10:35,653 Speaker 2: we expect many changes or does it matter of say, 200 00:10:35,773 --> 00:10:38,573 Speaker 2: you know, the players like Scott Barrett coming back into 201 00:10:38,573 --> 00:10:41,613 Speaker 2: the second row, you know Wallace a t t at 202 00:10:41,653 --> 00:10:45,013 Speaker 2: number eight, Those sort of things for this test and 203 00:10:45,133 --> 00:10:47,253 Speaker 2: first test in called over well. 204 00:10:47,173 --> 00:10:49,253 Speaker 3: I think first and foremost this will be the All 205 00:10:49,293 --> 00:10:51,693 Speaker 3: Black's first choice team. They're not going to take any 206 00:10:51,773 --> 00:10:55,173 Speaker 3: chances with the Pumas that lost to them and Wellington 207 00:10:55,253 --> 00:10:59,013 Speaker 3: last year will still firmly sticking the clare and that 208 00:10:59,053 --> 00:11:01,693 Speaker 3: won't allow the Pumas that the elements of surprise that 209 00:11:01,733 --> 00:11:04,853 Speaker 3: they had maybe the All Blacks underestimated of them, maybe 210 00:11:04,853 --> 00:11:07,333 Speaker 3: though caught by a surprise. That certainly won't be the 211 00:11:07,413 --> 00:11:10,493 Speaker 3: case into Argentina for two games over there, So it 212 00:11:10,573 --> 00:11:14,533 Speaker 3: will be the All Blacks' best available team. And with 213 00:11:14,653 --> 00:11:20,013 Speaker 3: that and minds, you know you'd expect if Wallace is fit, 214 00:11:20,333 --> 00:11:22,293 Speaker 3: he probably comes back in and starts, doesn't he And 215 00:11:22,533 --> 00:11:23,533 Speaker 3: the same for Scott Barrett Well. 216 00:11:23,533 --> 00:11:25,053 Speaker 2: I think it's a straightforward thing, isn't it. You know 217 00:11:25,933 --> 00:11:28,773 Speaker 2: Leo Will he's not there, so Tidi comes back in, 218 00:11:29,093 --> 00:11:31,293 Speaker 2: assuming he's good to go at number eight. It's the 219 00:11:31,333 --> 00:11:33,453 Speaker 2: path of least resistance. You don't have to tweak too 220 00:11:33,453 --> 00:11:37,373 Speaker 2: many things. That's assuming he's poised to get through eighty minutes, 221 00:11:37,453 --> 00:11:39,333 Speaker 2: I guess is the one question that would be there 222 00:11:39,653 --> 00:11:41,333 Speaker 2: around it. But if he's in the squad good to go. 223 00:11:41,413 --> 00:11:43,813 Speaker 2: Then I'd say Wallace a TDI comes in the half 224 00:11:43,853 --> 00:11:47,133 Speaker 2: back is fascinating. Now, of course he's right Tomid. Does 225 00:11:47,133 --> 00:11:48,973 Speaker 2: he just elevate himself to nine or is there actually 226 00:11:48,973 --> 00:11:50,573 Speaker 2: a little bit of a conversation to be had there? 227 00:11:51,013 --> 00:11:53,653 Speaker 3: No, I think Courtez comes in at nine. Finlay hasn't 228 00:11:53,693 --> 00:11:57,613 Speaker 3: been around that group, and Preston probably still has a 229 00:11:57,613 --> 00:12:00,973 Speaker 3: bit of time to get up to speeds his first 230 00:12:01,013 --> 00:12:04,213 Speaker 3: time in the All Blacks can be but players can 231 00:12:04,253 --> 00:12:07,293 Speaker 3: get a bit overall by that, So I think Courtez 232 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:13,053 Speaker 3: comes into art there. What's the most contestable role? We 233 00:12:13,093 --> 00:12:18,093 Speaker 3: know the first choice the incumbents Tomighty Williams isn't available 234 00:12:18,093 --> 00:12:20,293 Speaker 3: for the first Test. Sounds like you'll come back for 235 00:12:20,333 --> 00:12:23,813 Speaker 3: the seconds. What do you see is the most contestable 236 00:12:23,813 --> 00:12:28,533 Speaker 3: probably to provide a six the midfields. Does Billy Proctor 237 00:12:28,533 --> 00:12:29,333 Speaker 3: get another gut center? 238 00:12:29,373 --> 00:12:29,573 Speaker 1: Yeah? 239 00:12:29,573 --> 00:12:31,093 Speaker 2: I think Billy Procter does go. I mean, I think 240 00:12:31,093 --> 00:12:33,413 Speaker 2: those roles are contestable over time. Maybe not so much 241 00:12:33,413 --> 00:12:35,733 Speaker 2: for this Test match as a one off for and 242 00:12:35,773 --> 00:12:37,373 Speaker 2: you know, just singling it out, but I think over 243 00:12:37,413 --> 00:12:40,333 Speaker 2: time those jerseys are still contestable. In terms of blind 244 00:12:40,373 --> 00:12:43,733 Speaker 2: soide flanker. In terms of center, Billy Proctor had two tests. 245 00:12:43,773 --> 00:12:45,133 Speaker 2: I would have liked to see him get a third 246 00:12:45,133 --> 00:12:48,573 Speaker 2: in that series. He didn't. I suspect he's still at 247 00:12:48,573 --> 00:12:50,853 Speaker 2: this point in time the first choice in the All Blacks. Minds. 248 00:12:51,693 --> 00:12:53,933 Speaker 2: We had Scott Hansen say during the week that it's 249 00:12:53,973 --> 00:12:56,493 Speaker 2: not other run as possibility. We might see Rico Yuani 250 00:12:56,533 --> 00:12:59,093 Speaker 2: go back and descend it, but he's been included as 251 00:12:59,093 --> 00:13:03,693 Speaker 2: an outside back and in this squad as well, So yeah, 252 00:13:03,933 --> 00:13:07,293 Speaker 2: I'd go Billy Proctor at thirteen outside Jordi Barrett feels 253 00:13:07,293 --> 00:13:10,053 Speaker 2: like the most natural combine nation that they've got there, 254 00:13:10,813 --> 00:13:14,493 Speaker 2: and just hope that that Test rugby clicks for Billy 255 00:13:14,493 --> 00:13:16,413 Speaker 2: proped to because it probably hasn't to this point. 256 00:13:16,973 --> 00:13:20,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was. He got better as that 257 00:13:20,693 --> 00:13:23,413 Speaker 3: series war on. In Wellington. I thought he played well 258 00:13:23,573 --> 00:13:25,773 Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball, particularly in the second half, 259 00:13:25,813 --> 00:13:28,253 Speaker 3: but hasn't looked as good as he did in Super 260 00:13:28,333 --> 00:13:32,093 Speaker 3: rugby and just needs that more time, I think. Just 261 00:13:32,413 --> 00:13:36,813 Speaker 3: note that Simon Parker is being playing NPC this weekend 262 00:13:36,853 --> 00:13:40,253 Speaker 3: so clearly won't be included in that. In that first 263 00:13:40,293 --> 00:13:43,693 Speaker 3: test squads, he was the notable inclusion in the All 264 00:13:43,693 --> 00:13:46,013 Speaker 3: Black s Rugby Championship mix. And there's a couple of others. 265 00:13:46,053 --> 00:13:48,173 Speaker 3: Aren't there playing the MPC this weekend? Yeah there are 266 00:13:49,213 --> 00:13:52,933 Speaker 3: last weekend yep, so interesting see how they come through that. 267 00:13:53,813 --> 00:13:55,693 Speaker 3: Trying to think off Tom Ofhead who exactly they are, 268 00:13:55,733 --> 00:13:59,973 Speaker 3: But yeah, the players are playing an MPC of the weekend, 269 00:14:00,093 --> 00:14:02,333 Speaker 3: just being mon't be playing the first test, and it's 270 00:14:02,373 --> 00:14:05,933 Speaker 3: just it's a nightmare to get to Argentina. It takes 271 00:14:05,973 --> 00:14:09,173 Speaker 3: about seventy two hours, not that much, but they weren't 272 00:14:09,213 --> 00:14:10,133 Speaker 3: playing in that first test. 273 00:14:10,413 --> 00:14:11,493 Speaker 4: No wings. 274 00:14:11,573 --> 00:14:15,453 Speaker 3: Do you expect Rico and severice very contestable spots on 275 00:14:15,493 --> 00:14:15,773 Speaker 3: the wing? 276 00:14:15,933 --> 00:14:18,293 Speaker 2: But I do, Yeah, I think for this first test 277 00:14:18,333 --> 00:14:22,893 Speaker 2: match and if they win in Cordo. But it doesn't 278 00:14:22,893 --> 00:14:25,173 Speaker 2: give them a license necessarily because Argentina are a very 279 00:14:25,213 --> 00:14:27,693 Speaker 2: very tough team and often better when they've had you know, 280 00:14:27,773 --> 00:14:33,093 Speaker 2: one game and can can see the team. I suspect, 281 00:14:33,333 --> 00:14:35,733 Speaker 2: you know, suspect that probably that may give them a 282 00:14:35,773 --> 00:14:37,453 Speaker 2: little bit of license to look at it in Atawa 283 00:14:37,653 --> 00:14:41,093 Speaker 2: or even the Leroy Carter for the second test of 284 00:14:41,333 --> 00:14:43,773 Speaker 2: this trip. But I would be very surprised if anything 285 00:14:43,773 --> 00:14:46,733 Speaker 2: other than the incumbents and by using incumbents and Inta 286 00:14:46,773 --> 00:14:50,333 Speaker 2: combas Rico, Uani and Severice get the nod there and 287 00:14:50,333 --> 00:14:53,573 Speaker 2: then Will Jordan at fullback. So that's the team that 288 00:14:53,693 --> 00:14:57,493 Speaker 2: I would pick. Feels relatively straightforward to this point. 289 00:14:57,733 --> 00:15:01,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, front row tyro a Lomax out, so Fletch Newell 290 00:15:01,213 --> 00:15:03,573 Speaker 3: probably comes in there. What about Lucid with to Mighty 291 00:15:03,573 --> 00:15:05,733 Speaker 3: Williams still one week away from coming back. 292 00:15:05,933 --> 00:15:09,653 Speaker 2: I think to Grout starts there. You know, I thought 293 00:15:09,693 --> 00:15:14,453 Speaker 2: he built over that series. He's still, in my mind, 294 00:15:14,613 --> 00:15:17,453 Speaker 2: not delivering what the All Blacks would like him to. 295 00:15:17,893 --> 00:15:20,853 Speaker 2: I don't think that the passing game comes natural to 296 00:15:21,093 --> 00:15:23,693 Speaker 2: ethan degree that the All Blacks are clearly attacking in 297 00:15:23,733 --> 00:15:26,133 Speaker 2: that shape now and asking their props to do a 298 00:15:26,173 --> 00:15:29,413 Speaker 2: little little bit more handling of the ball and setting 299 00:15:29,493 --> 00:15:31,773 Speaker 2: up the back line as well, just in some of 300 00:15:31,813 --> 00:15:35,493 Speaker 2: the carries they're doing. So I can't see them going 301 00:15:35,533 --> 00:15:39,973 Speaker 2: against the grain for that one. But again, the second Test, 302 00:15:40,173 --> 00:15:41,693 Speaker 2: if the All Blacks won the first one, could be 303 00:15:41,693 --> 00:15:44,373 Speaker 2: interesting because you still have a week off in between 304 00:15:45,213 --> 00:15:47,453 Speaker 2: the Second Test and Buenos Aire's and coming home for 305 00:15:47,453 --> 00:15:49,693 Speaker 2: that game at Eden Park. But they may just look 306 00:15:49,733 --> 00:15:51,893 Speaker 2: to get some players on ice get to Mighty Williams 307 00:15:51,893 --> 00:15:52,453 Speaker 2: and the team and. 308 00:15:54,013 --> 00:15:54,933 Speaker 4: Change a few things up. 309 00:15:55,253 --> 00:15:56,493 Speaker 3: If we take a step back and look at the 310 00:15:56,533 --> 00:15:59,373 Speaker 3: Rugby Championship as a whole, what's the successful tournament for 311 00:15:59,413 --> 00:16:01,253 Speaker 3: the All Blacks that they didn't want it last year, 312 00:16:01,333 --> 00:16:05,133 Speaker 3: lost those two games in South Africa. They've never in 313 00:16:05,533 --> 00:16:08,933 Speaker 3: history not won the Rugby Championship too in a row. 314 00:16:09,173 --> 00:16:11,733 Speaker 3: Is it as simple as when the title or bust? 315 00:16:11,813 --> 00:16:16,173 Speaker 2: I think it is this year because they have the 316 00:16:16,213 --> 00:16:19,213 Speaker 2: softer Rugby Championship draw that you would get and I 317 00:16:19,333 --> 00:16:22,333 Speaker 2: use this with the greatest subspect to Argentina, but they're 318 00:16:22,333 --> 00:16:24,173 Speaker 2: still searching for that first one on home soil and 319 00:16:24,213 --> 00:16:27,093 Speaker 2: until that comes in, it will be seen as a 320 00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:30,053 Speaker 2: softer trip having two games in Argentina rather than the 321 00:16:30,053 --> 00:16:32,293 Speaker 2: two in South Africa under the format that the Rugby 322 00:16:32,333 --> 00:16:36,813 Speaker 2: Championship now operates, so when you've got South Africa twice 323 00:16:36,853 --> 00:16:39,533 Speaker 2: at home, it's easy than playing them at Alice Park 324 00:16:39,693 --> 00:16:41,653 Speaker 2: and playing them in Cape Town wherever it might be. 325 00:16:41,773 --> 00:16:44,853 Speaker 2: So I think this year it's win or bust for 326 00:16:45,053 --> 00:16:48,213 Speaker 2: Scott Robertson and his team, and the All Blacks have 327 00:16:48,293 --> 00:16:50,613 Speaker 2: never not won at two years in a row, so 328 00:16:50,893 --> 00:16:54,493 Speaker 2: there's an expectation that they'll bounce back. South Africa's gonna 329 00:16:54,493 --> 00:16:57,573 Speaker 2: be all mightily tough when they come to Eden Park 330 00:16:57,653 --> 00:16:59,613 Speaker 2: and to Sky Stadium in a few weeks time. But 331 00:16:59,653 --> 00:17:01,933 Speaker 2: I think that they have to go out and win 332 00:17:01,973 --> 00:17:05,493 Speaker 2: it otherwise it can't be deemed a successful campaign. 333 00:17:05,493 --> 00:17:08,573 Speaker 3: What's the you, Yeah, I think there should write be 334 00:17:08,573 --> 00:17:11,813 Speaker 3: an expectation that the All Blacks reclaim the Rugby Championship. 335 00:17:12,773 --> 00:17:16,973 Speaker 3: If you remove the title, I think going one on 336 00:17:16,973 --> 00:17:22,133 Speaker 3: one with the spring Box would be acceptable, Probably less 337 00:17:22,173 --> 00:17:24,613 Speaker 3: so if that loss comes at Eden Park, just because 338 00:17:24,653 --> 00:17:29,213 Speaker 3: of the historical significance and everything that's gone before. The 339 00:17:29,253 --> 00:17:32,133 Speaker 3: All Blacks always talk about the history, the legacy and 340 00:17:32,173 --> 00:17:36,213 Speaker 3: they will be desperate to uphold that. That matches, in 341 00:17:36,253 --> 00:17:39,853 Speaker 3: my mind, the most important Test match this year, and 342 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:43,733 Speaker 3: the spring Box will be gunning for it. But just 343 00:17:43,773 --> 00:17:45,893 Speaker 3: because of where the Springboks are at, I think there 344 00:17:45,893 --> 00:17:48,853 Speaker 3: does need to be a bit of context about them 345 00:17:48,893 --> 00:17:51,653 Speaker 3: being world champions. The depth are built their record over 346 00:17:51,693 --> 00:17:52,693 Speaker 3: the past few years. 347 00:17:53,413 --> 00:17:55,373 Speaker 4: But yeah, the All Blacks are on home soil. 348 00:17:55,213 --> 00:17:56,853 Speaker 2: There on home soil and they've got a record that 349 00:17:56,893 --> 00:18:01,653 Speaker 2: they you know, winning is you know what they're expected 350 00:18:01,733 --> 00:18:04,133 Speaker 2: to do it's the key to their commercial success. So 351 00:18:04,453 --> 00:18:06,653 Speaker 2: you've got to win these big games when they come along. 352 00:18:06,493 --> 00:18:10,613 Speaker 3: They do and so reclaim the title. But as far 353 00:18:10,653 --> 00:18:11,933 Speaker 3: from straightforward. 354 00:18:11,413 --> 00:18:13,013 Speaker 2: All right, we'll give me your finishing order then for 355 00:18:13,013 --> 00:18:14,133 Speaker 2: the Rugby Championship. 356 00:18:15,093 --> 00:18:19,453 Speaker 3: All right, look, oh, the Box a favorites, but I'll 357 00:18:19,493 --> 00:18:22,693 Speaker 3: back the All Blacks to finish top to win the 358 00:18:22,773 --> 00:18:27,093 Speaker 3: Rugby Championship. Box second, I'm going to say the Pumas 359 00:18:27,533 --> 00:18:32,613 Speaker 3: finish third and the Wallaby's fourth. I think the lines 360 00:18:32,693 --> 00:18:34,533 Speaker 3: tour will actually take a bit of a toll on 361 00:18:34,573 --> 00:18:37,253 Speaker 3: them by the end, and they'll be missing a few 362 00:18:37,253 --> 00:18:39,333 Speaker 3: of those key guys like Skelton. I think he may 363 00:18:39,373 --> 00:18:42,573 Speaker 3: be available for the opening Rugby Championship game against the Box, 364 00:18:42,613 --> 00:18:46,133 Speaker 3: but then we'll go back to France and yeah, I 365 00:18:46,213 --> 00:18:49,333 Speaker 3: just feel like the Wallabies may run out of depth 366 00:18:49,373 --> 00:18:50,093 Speaker 3: and a bit of steam. 367 00:18:50,613 --> 00:18:52,133 Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of feel the same way. It's going 368 00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:55,013 Speaker 2: to be a long six games by the time they 369 00:18:55,013 --> 00:18:57,333 Speaker 2: get to Perth for that final game against the All Blacks, 370 00:18:59,893 --> 00:19:03,253 Speaker 2: I will probably Yeah, I'm going to go South Africa 371 00:19:03,293 --> 00:19:05,173 Speaker 2: finish top. I think they'll split one one in New 372 00:19:05,253 --> 00:19:08,413 Speaker 2: Zealand and some of the other results will conspire to 373 00:19:08,413 --> 00:19:10,013 Speaker 2: to get them to the top. The All Blacks will 374 00:19:10,053 --> 00:19:13,053 Speaker 2: just narrowly miss out and maybe you know, in seven 375 00:19:13,093 --> 00:19:15,173 Speaker 2: eight weeks time we're reviewing it as a good campaign, 376 00:19:15,173 --> 00:19:17,773 Speaker 2: but not a great one from the All Blacks. And third, 377 00:19:18,093 --> 00:19:23,133 Speaker 2: I think probably the Wallabies just to buy the basis 378 00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:25,133 Speaker 2: that well they've got the Poombers twice at home. I 379 00:19:25,133 --> 00:19:27,693 Speaker 2: think they should beat the Poomers twice at home, although 380 00:19:27,693 --> 00:19:29,413 Speaker 2: the last time the Pumas are there from memory they'll 381 00:19:29,453 --> 00:19:31,653 Speaker 2: drop one of them. So it is set up as 382 00:19:31,653 --> 00:19:34,493 Speaker 2: an interesting Rugby Championship, isn't it. And there's a lot 383 00:19:34,493 --> 00:19:39,773 Speaker 2: of questions around the Rugby Championships future. We've got the 384 00:19:40,173 --> 00:19:42,773 Speaker 2: rugby's greatest rivalry coming in next year, still to be 385 00:19:42,813 --> 00:19:45,213 Speaker 2: officially confirmed, but it is happening. Three tests against the 386 00:19:45,213 --> 00:19:46,733 Speaker 2: spring Box. The All Blacks will go over the year. 387 00:19:46,893 --> 00:19:50,373 Speaker 2: It'll return in twenty thirty. So the Rugby Championships in 388 00:19:50,413 --> 00:19:53,013 Speaker 2: an interesting place, isn't it? Because this year it's the 389 00:19:53,053 --> 00:19:55,933 Speaker 2: full format. We won't see the full format again until 390 00:19:55,973 --> 00:19:58,333 Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight. Given twenty twenty seven is a Rugby 391 00:19:58,373 --> 00:20:01,693 Speaker 2: World Cup year, it's truncated so and then after that 392 00:20:01,733 --> 00:20:03,213 Speaker 2: you know it's pushed back a little bit because the 393 00:20:03,293 --> 00:20:05,933 Speaker 2: Lion's coming to New Zealand. If unless Stephen Jones has 394 00:20:05,933 --> 00:20:08,093 Speaker 2: his way and they go and play in France, then 395 00:20:08,933 --> 00:20:12,933 Speaker 2: it's South Africa coming here for three tests. So is 396 00:20:12,933 --> 00:20:16,773 Speaker 2: that an interesting juncture the Rugby Championship And I guess 397 00:20:16,773 --> 00:20:20,173 Speaker 2: if you're the All Blacks and New Zealand Rugby and 398 00:20:20,333 --> 00:20:24,413 Speaker 2: Sansar as a whole kind of needs to have a 399 00:20:24,413 --> 00:20:25,613 Speaker 2: bit of a stake in the ground as to what 400 00:20:25,653 --> 00:20:28,333 Speaker 2: the Rugby Championship actually is and where it goes to 401 00:20:28,413 --> 00:20:28,813 Speaker 2: from here. 402 00:20:29,893 --> 00:20:33,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so to simplify that it's the full 403 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:38,253 Speaker 3: version once every four years, and that's not totally their 404 00:20:39,013 --> 00:20:41,933 Speaker 3: Sansar is doing or the Southern Hemisphere because of that 405 00:20:41,973 --> 00:20:44,173 Speaker 3: World Cup year as you mentioned. But I think the 406 00:20:44,253 --> 00:20:49,373 Speaker 3: less you have of something, the more you the more, the. 407 00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:50,693 Speaker 4: Less prestige it has. 408 00:20:52,133 --> 00:20:56,093 Speaker 3: And there's an argument for me that the Rugby Championship 409 00:20:56,133 --> 00:20:59,653 Speaker 3: is the toughest regular tournament in the world. I think 410 00:21:00,053 --> 00:21:03,853 Speaker 3: because of the travel for one, and because of the 411 00:21:03,933 --> 00:21:06,613 Speaker 3: fact that the All Blacks and Springboks are in the 412 00:21:06,653 --> 00:21:10,613 Speaker 3: six nations. Is competitive. But Wales have fallen off a cliff. 413 00:21:10,893 --> 00:21:15,533 Speaker 3: Italy a getting better, but they are too reasonable, wind 414 00:21:15,573 --> 00:21:20,853 Speaker 3: banking games in the Six Nations. It's got great traveling fans, 415 00:21:20,893 --> 00:21:23,293 Speaker 3: but I think I think the Rugby Championship in my mind, 416 00:21:23,333 --> 00:21:28,413 Speaker 3: is actually harder to win, but it does lose significance 417 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:30,573 Speaker 3: and prestige when it's out of sight, out of mind. 418 00:21:30,653 --> 00:21:33,533 Speaker 3: And if you're the Wallabies, I'm a huge fan of 419 00:21:33,613 --> 00:21:35,893 Speaker 3: bringing back these South African tours. That's going to be 420 00:21:36,013 --> 00:21:42,933 Speaker 3: massive in a rugby sphere for those countries. But if 421 00:21:42,933 --> 00:21:45,973 Speaker 3: you're the Wallabies or Poomas, you're sort of left out 422 00:21:45,973 --> 00:21:47,333 Speaker 3: in the cold for two years, aren't you. 423 00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:48,293 Speaker 1: You are. 424 00:21:49,453 --> 00:21:51,733 Speaker 2: And clearly in zid Are and South African rugby have 425 00:21:51,733 --> 00:21:54,373 Speaker 2: gone bug of that. Don't worry about them. We will 426 00:21:54,693 --> 00:21:57,293 Speaker 2: push on with what we want to do and that's 427 00:21:57,333 --> 00:21:59,933 Speaker 2: the right. But it does leave them out in the cold. 428 00:22:00,013 --> 00:22:04,973 Speaker 3: And there are negotiations compensation agreements to be agreed being 429 00:22:04,973 --> 00:22:08,293 Speaker 3: negotiated currently behind closed doors between New Zealand Rugby and 430 00:22:08,373 --> 00:22:09,213 Speaker 3: Rugby Australia. 431 00:22:09,893 --> 00:22:10,373 Speaker 4: Because of that. 432 00:22:11,013 --> 00:22:13,493 Speaker 2: What I would say is though in terms of this 433 00:22:13,573 --> 00:22:18,493 Speaker 2: Rugby Championship, it's never the tournament itself, always feels like 434 00:22:18,533 --> 00:22:20,453 Speaker 2: a little bit of an afterthought to the little two 435 00:22:20,493 --> 00:22:24,613 Speaker 2: match series that play out in between, and you know, 436 00:22:24,613 --> 00:22:26,413 Speaker 2: most people looking forward to the you know, the spring 437 00:22:26,453 --> 00:22:29,093 Speaker 2: box in the middle of it, those two tests in there, 438 00:22:29,693 --> 00:22:30,733 Speaker 2: you know they're going to go on on to two 439 00:22:30,773 --> 00:22:33,813 Speaker 2: Tests tour to Argentina and then obviously the Bledderso carp 440 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,333 Speaker 2: at the end. This is from a New Zealand perspective obviously, 441 00:22:36,373 --> 00:22:39,053 Speaker 2: but it feels like almost those little two match tours 442 00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:41,853 Speaker 2: feel more important than the points table at the end 443 00:22:41,893 --> 00:22:44,533 Speaker 2: of the Rugby Championship. And maybe that's where it's got 444 00:22:44,573 --> 00:22:49,333 Speaker 2: to because you know, I take your point around the 445 00:22:49,373 --> 00:22:51,733 Speaker 2: competitiveness and that things like that, but it doesn't have 446 00:22:51,773 --> 00:22:53,813 Speaker 2: the same prestige in terms of winning the Six Nations 447 00:22:53,853 --> 00:22:56,093 Speaker 2: winning the Rugby Championship in my mind. 448 00:22:55,933 --> 00:22:58,653 Speaker 3: No, I agree, because it doesn't have the historical significance. 449 00:22:58,693 --> 00:23:04,493 Speaker 3: It doesn't have the traveling fans and the same intense 450 00:23:04,573 --> 00:23:08,093 Speaker 3: passionate following. Yeah, and you're right. I think since the 451 00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:11,693 Speaker 3: four went to those two match towards, it did become 452 00:23:11,733 --> 00:23:16,533 Speaker 3: more about those mini face offs than previously where it 453 00:23:16,613 --> 00:23:19,693 Speaker 3: was one off match against South Africa, then Australia and 454 00:23:19,693 --> 00:23:24,493 Speaker 3: the Pumas and sort of doing the round. So yeah, 455 00:23:24,733 --> 00:23:28,693 Speaker 3: rugby evolves doesn't it, And that's the greatest rivalry between 456 00:23:28,693 --> 00:23:30,573 Speaker 3: the Orblex and spring Box is going to be massive 457 00:23:30,733 --> 00:23:32,693 Speaker 3: once every four years. So I'm not going to sit 458 00:23:32,733 --> 00:23:35,693 Speaker 3: here and say they've got it wrong. But I think 459 00:23:36,093 --> 00:23:39,373 Speaker 3: the Ruby Championship over time that the prestige of it 460 00:23:39,573 --> 00:23:41,093 Speaker 3: winning it has been slowly eroded. 461 00:23:41,213 --> 00:23:44,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that the two match series probably 462 00:23:44,653 --> 00:23:46,693 Speaker 2: as you said, have contributed to that. And it feels 463 00:23:46,733 --> 00:23:49,613 Speaker 2: like the Ruby Championships are just sort of a bucket 464 00:23:49,893 --> 00:23:52,533 Speaker 2: to have these fixtures in rather than a trophy that 465 00:23:52,813 --> 00:23:56,333 Speaker 2: means a lot. And you know, your mileage and your 466 00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:58,533 Speaker 2: point of view may vary on that if you're listening, 467 00:23:58,933 --> 00:24:02,253 Speaker 2: but it does feel that, yeah, maybe these tweaks it 468 00:24:02,493 --> 00:24:04,333 Speaker 2: might not be the best thing for its long term health. 469 00:24:04,813 --> 00:24:06,173 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it did mean a lot to the 470 00:24:06,173 --> 00:24:08,053 Speaker 3: spring Box last year because it was the first time 471 00:24:08,053 --> 00:24:11,413 Speaker 3: that'd on it in a long time. Neil Black's held 472 00:24:11,653 --> 00:24:14,173 Speaker 3: an ironclad grip on it, so it meant a lot 473 00:24:14,213 --> 00:24:15,933 Speaker 3: to them then, But it would probably mean less to 474 00:24:16,333 --> 00:24:17,373 Speaker 3: them this year if they want to. 475 00:24:17,453 --> 00:24:19,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, if your Black beats at Africa to nil, 476 00:24:19,773 --> 00:24:21,013 Speaker 2: what are you most a mirror of the year. The 477 00:24:21,053 --> 00:24:22,893 Speaker 2: fact that beats to Africa to nil, or the fact 478 00:24:22,933 --> 00:24:24,213 Speaker 2: that they won the Rugby Championship. 479 00:24:24,453 --> 00:24:24,733 Speaker 4: Yeah. 480 00:24:24,813 --> 00:24:28,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could argue the Freedom Cup holds prior to 481 00:24:28,973 --> 00:24:31,133 Speaker 3: place over the Rugby Championship quite. 482 00:24:30,893 --> 00:24:32,773 Speaker 2: Possibly, and then that was big for South Africa as 483 00:24:32,773 --> 00:24:35,373 Speaker 2: well getting it back last year as well a few 484 00:24:35,373 --> 00:24:38,293 Speaker 2: other matters to touch on this week in terms of 485 00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:42,773 Speaker 2: the Rugby World Australia confirming the Ghetto Law has been axed. 486 00:24:42,893 --> 00:24:44,253 Speaker 2: I think it was about a year ago. Actually they 487 00:24:44,453 --> 00:24:47,013 Speaker 2: managed to sort of sweep that through, but it's finally 488 00:24:47,053 --> 00:24:48,973 Speaker 2: come to public conscience now. 489 00:24:49,813 --> 00:24:57,813 Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fares, Every. 490 00:24:57,613 --> 00:25:01,853 Speaker 2: Tri drive a sixty severy tackle, tack tackles, get up again. 491 00:25:05,053 --> 00:25:06,933 Speaker 5: Before it's Rugby Direct. 492 00:25:07,453 --> 00:25:10,133 Speaker 2: Ladies talks one of the great names of the law, 493 00:25:10,173 --> 00:25:12,093 Speaker 2: the Ghetto Law, when it came in in twenty fifteen 494 00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:15,493 Speaker 2: for that Rugby World Cup with Michael Chicker and co. 495 00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:18,733 Speaker 2: Feels like it's probably served its time from an Australian 496 00:25:18,773 --> 00:25:21,573 Speaker 2: perspective though, I mean this is by the sound of 497 00:25:21,613 --> 00:25:23,613 Speaker 2: it been in place for about a year and Joe 498 00:25:23,613 --> 00:25:27,573 Speaker 2: Schmidt hasn't gone balls to the war wall and picked 499 00:25:27,613 --> 00:25:31,373 Speaker 2: through France and England and Japan. To pick all the 500 00:25:31,493 --> 00:25:34,773 Speaker 2: possible overseas players he can. So while the law has gone, 501 00:25:35,053 --> 00:25:37,653 Speaker 2: certainly from Joe Schmidt's perspective, it doesn't feel like he's 502 00:25:38,773 --> 00:25:41,973 Speaker 2: just going to go and look overseas and Super Rugby 503 00:25:41,973 --> 00:25:42,373 Speaker 2: be damned. 504 00:25:43,293 --> 00:25:46,173 Speaker 3: So I guess the getto law was brought in the 505 00:25:46,173 --> 00:25:48,933 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen World Cup for when Michael Chicker was coached, 506 00:25:48,933 --> 00:25:53,253 Speaker 3: so they could select Ghetto and Drew Mitchell and maybe 507 00:25:53,293 --> 00:25:56,693 Speaker 3: a couple of others, and it has evolved over time. 508 00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,253 Speaker 3: The Wallabies in recent times have had some with Karev, 509 00:26:01,013 --> 00:26:05,813 Speaker 3: Marika Cotta, Betty will Skelton. I think they picked Kwake Cooper, 510 00:26:06,453 --> 00:26:13,693 Speaker 3: maybe a couple of others and whatnot. But honestly, I 511 00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:18,333 Speaker 3: don't see it having a drastic effect because well, at 512 00:26:18,373 --> 00:26:23,373 Speaker 3: least while Joe Schmitt's there, because he has prioritized selecting domestically, 513 00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:27,573 Speaker 3: and I think the caveat or the expectation is if 514 00:26:27,573 --> 00:26:30,173 Speaker 3: there's a fifty to fifty decision, they will select local. 515 00:26:31,133 --> 00:26:34,013 Speaker 3: And the other reality is there's actually not that many 516 00:26:34,173 --> 00:26:37,973 Speaker 3: spots in the global game open now in Japan or 517 00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:40,373 Speaker 3: France or the UK or wherever it is. You have 518 00:26:40,413 --> 00:26:42,693 Speaker 3: to be quite an elite player to get those and 519 00:26:43,013 --> 00:26:47,853 Speaker 3: it's not you know that the financial landscape recruiting is 520 00:26:47,893 --> 00:26:50,973 Speaker 3: not what it used to be. So yeah, maybe we 521 00:26:51,053 --> 00:26:55,653 Speaker 3: see a few more top line Australian players shoot offshore 522 00:26:55,973 --> 00:27:00,133 Speaker 3: and the rather than the test game. The big impact 523 00:27:00,693 --> 00:27:03,293 Speaker 3: could come at super rugby level, right Like Australia are 524 00:27:03,373 --> 00:27:06,933 Speaker 3: just starting to improve in the demise of the Melbourne Rebels. 525 00:27:06,933 --> 00:27:09,333 Speaker 3: If you take a few key guys out of those teams, 526 00:27:10,213 --> 00:27:15,053 Speaker 3: that could really affect their progress and their teams need 527 00:27:15,093 --> 00:27:16,813 Speaker 3: all the help they can get to be competitive. 528 00:27:17,013 --> 00:27:19,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, feeling under Jochma I don't see it changing. He's 529 00:27:19,533 --> 00:27:22,133 Speaker 2: obviously there till the end of the year. Then Liscus 530 00:27:22,173 --> 00:27:24,973 Speaker 2: comes in. Maybe Liscus will be more of a globalist 531 00:27:25,013 --> 00:27:27,413 Speaker 2: and look to go to every corner of the world 532 00:27:27,493 --> 00:27:30,693 Speaker 2: and pick players through and bring them through. But it 533 00:27:30,733 --> 00:27:32,493 Speaker 2: sounds like a law that's been dropped. But I don't 534 00:27:32,493 --> 00:27:36,733 Speaker 2: expect wholesale changes anytime soon. To the Wallabies, it just 535 00:27:36,773 --> 00:27:38,733 Speaker 2: doesn't feel like something. I mean, you look back to 536 00:27:38,853 --> 00:27:41,693 Speaker 2: that ghetto time they needed a playmaker, they needed a 537 00:27:41,733 --> 00:27:44,613 Speaker 2: Matt Gesso to come into the mix. That law was 538 00:27:44,653 --> 00:27:47,293 Speaker 2: created for him. I don't see the same. You know, 539 00:27:47,373 --> 00:27:50,933 Speaker 2: maybe apart from Will Skelton that the same need for 540 00:27:52,253 --> 00:27:54,533 Speaker 2: you know, opening the gates that there is now no. 541 00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:56,613 Speaker 3: The one big kick in the guts would be someone 542 00:27:56,733 --> 00:27:59,973 Speaker 3: like Joseph sue Eli. He's their pin up boy right now. 543 00:28:00,653 --> 00:28:03,053 Speaker 3: He was the face of their lines tour. If he 544 00:28:03,093 --> 00:28:05,613 Speaker 3: went to Japan or France or wherever and they still 545 00:28:05,613 --> 00:28:08,293 Speaker 3: selected him for the Wallabies, well that's a big blow 546 00:28:08,453 --> 00:28:09,813 Speaker 3: for Super Rugby. Yeah it is. 547 00:28:09,893 --> 00:28:12,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, having him in the war Tars has been has 548 00:28:12,573 --> 00:28:15,093 Speaker 2: been immense with them. Although I saw that Buzz Rothfield 549 00:28:15,133 --> 00:28:17,733 Speaker 2: from in a Roll through sixty was suggesting that he 550 00:28:17,733 --> 00:28:19,533 Speaker 2: may not be at the Wartars next year and may 551 00:28:19,533 --> 00:28:22,013 Speaker 2: go elsewhere in Australian Super Rugby. So watch this space. 552 00:28:22,413 --> 00:28:24,413 Speaker 4: He's not seeking a pay bump for it. 553 00:28:25,213 --> 00:28:27,973 Speaker 2: Maybe he'll end up at the Hurricanes or the Crusaders 554 00:28:28,053 --> 00:28:30,573 Speaker 2: or somewhere all the Highlanders, you know Jamie josephs on 555 00:28:30,613 --> 00:28:32,613 Speaker 2: the recruitment drivers who touched on the top of the episode. 556 00:28:32,653 --> 00:28:34,813 Speaker 4: Maybe oh, they can select from New Zealand. 557 00:28:34,933 --> 00:28:37,613 Speaker 2: So straight out of bond Die down to Sint Clea Beach. 558 00:28:38,053 --> 00:28:39,813 Speaker 4: Get him over, Jamie ill improve his game. 559 00:28:39,973 --> 00:28:43,773 Speaker 2: That's right before we go on Rugby Direct Kenny Lynn, 560 00:28:43,813 --> 00:28:46,893 Speaker 2: one of the cult heroes of the NPC and Super Rugby. 561 00:28:46,933 --> 00:28:49,053 Speaker 2: What a decade ago, maybe a little bit longer, close 562 00:28:49,093 --> 00:28:54,133 Speaker 2: to fifteen years ago. Now on the Argentina coaching staff 563 00:28:54,173 --> 00:28:56,093 Speaker 2: as the attack coach and Liam you caught up with 564 00:28:56,333 --> 00:28:59,453 Speaker 2: Kenny Lynn and got the lowdown on the Argentinians. 565 00:28:59,773 --> 00:29:03,093 Speaker 3: I did the Southern Man by way of Leon back 566 00:29:03,133 --> 00:29:06,773 Speaker 3: to the Landers and was joined the Plumas in June 567 00:29:06,853 --> 00:29:09,133 Speaker 3: last year, so I was in the coaching box for 568 00:29:09,253 --> 00:29:12,813 Speaker 3: their upset triumph over the All Blacks and Wellington and yeah, 569 00:29:12,813 --> 00:29:14,693 Speaker 3: interesting to see what he can bring to them in 570 00:29:14,733 --> 00:29:15,573 Speaker 3: the Ragpiya Championship. 571 00:29:15,693 --> 00:29:17,853 Speaker 2: Let's ever listen to that now before we go on 572 00:29:17,933 --> 00:29:18,533 Speaker 2: rapid director. 573 00:29:18,613 --> 00:29:21,133 Speaker 3: What's it been like? I guess some different culture, different 574 00:29:21,173 --> 00:29:25,013 Speaker 3: rugby environment, but to be immersed in the you know, 575 00:29:25,213 --> 00:29:29,333 Speaker 3: an international team, pretty pretty great opportunity. 576 00:29:30,013 --> 00:29:31,693 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, great opportunity. 577 00:29:31,773 --> 00:29:35,173 Speaker 6: Always always thought it would be amazing a coach international, 578 00:29:35,853 --> 00:29:38,173 Speaker 6: had never really thought that would be that would be 579 00:29:38,173 --> 00:29:43,813 Speaker 6: an option RGY. But it's been great, I. 580 00:29:43,773 --> 00:29:49,013 Speaker 5: Mean, very different and that it's such a unique set up. 581 00:29:50,093 --> 00:29:53,253 Speaker 6: Vast majority of the team playing Europe but then come 582 00:29:53,293 --> 00:29:55,093 Speaker 6: back and then join up for the RG and then, 583 00:29:55,533 --> 00:29:58,493 Speaker 6: so you've kind of got Northern Hemansphere based club club 584 00:29:58,533 --> 00:30:02,053 Speaker 6: players but then play in Southern Hemisphere Ragbory Championship and international. 585 00:30:03,973 --> 00:30:07,373 Speaker 5: But it's great. Like I I knew. 586 00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:10,933 Speaker 6: One of the other coaches, Fernandez Lobbe a little bit 587 00:30:10,933 --> 00:30:15,253 Speaker 6: because I did my top coaching stufficate in France and 588 00:30:15,453 --> 00:30:18,653 Speaker 6: we were two of the only foreigners on that on 589 00:30:18,693 --> 00:30:20,693 Speaker 6: the course one year, so I met him that ways, 590 00:30:20,693 --> 00:30:24,693 Speaker 6: he's a good lad and Felipe Contempory, head coaches, is 591 00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:26,773 Speaker 6: really really great man to work with as well, so 592 00:30:27,373 --> 00:30:34,893 Speaker 6: that certainly made it, you know, enjoyable, and yeah, they're 593 00:30:34,893 --> 00:30:39,853 Speaker 6: a good crew, they're good people, and I especially thought 594 00:30:39,853 --> 00:30:43,853 Speaker 6: with Argentina, I feel like Argentina in a lot of 595 00:30:43,853 --> 00:30:46,733 Speaker 6: ways almost sometimes can be run second favorite team and 596 00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:50,333 Speaker 6: that have had that underdog status in the past, but 597 00:30:50,493 --> 00:30:51,133 Speaker 6: capable of. 598 00:30:51,133 --> 00:30:55,293 Speaker 5: Pulling off big performances and player kind of style of 599 00:30:55,373 --> 00:30:56,453 Speaker 5: rugby you enjoy. 600 00:30:56,533 --> 00:30:57,733 Speaker 6: So I really wanted to get a part of that 601 00:30:57,853 --> 00:31:00,293 Speaker 6: and see what I could do to keep growing it, 602 00:31:02,293 --> 00:31:04,173 Speaker 6: and thought as well, there's a fear bit opportunity there 603 00:31:04,213 --> 00:31:09,013 Speaker 6: and that the team age wise, they're pretty a lot 604 00:31:09,013 --> 00:31:11,253 Speaker 6: of twenty five, six twenty seven year olds who have 605 00:31:11,253 --> 00:31:14,733 Speaker 6: played together a lot, especially for the Jeduaries, so I 606 00:31:14,773 --> 00:31:17,813 Speaker 6: thought there was potential there as well to keep improving. 607 00:31:19,213 --> 00:31:22,133 Speaker 4: And your role specifically is a tech coach. 608 00:31:23,373 --> 00:31:25,533 Speaker 5: Yeah, side to attack and backs. 609 00:31:26,933 --> 00:31:30,053 Speaker 6: But there's just four coaches, so we share a fair 610 00:31:30,053 --> 00:31:33,213 Speaker 6: amount and what we do, like we cross over and 611 00:31:33,253 --> 00:31:37,933 Speaker 6: like Felipay's obviously head coach and does the defense, but 612 00:31:38,053 --> 00:31:40,253 Speaker 6: has got a good attacking mind as well, so we 613 00:31:40,453 --> 00:31:41,773 Speaker 6: share a few bit of what we're doing. 614 00:31:42,613 --> 00:31:43,893 Speaker 5: But yeah, that is mate for wrong. 615 00:31:44,853 --> 00:31:48,293 Speaker 3: How would you describe your philosophy? I guess broaderly and 616 00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:54,213 Speaker 3: I guess agent seen in the Poomas. I've got a 617 00:31:54,253 --> 00:31:56,493 Speaker 3: bit of a blended game, don't they. They obviously a 618 00:31:56,533 --> 00:31:59,733 Speaker 3: pretty big pack, great at the breakdown, but can really 619 00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:03,653 Speaker 3: move the ball, great athletes offload, look to play at pace. 620 00:32:03,733 --> 00:32:07,053 Speaker 3: So does that sort of align with how you see 621 00:32:07,093 --> 00:32:10,053 Speaker 3: the game, Yeah, very much. So, like. 622 00:32:11,573 --> 00:32:17,933 Speaker 6: There's a there's certainly an element of unstructured play that 623 00:32:18,013 --> 00:32:22,773 Speaker 6: the the Argentinians really enjoy and seem to thrive off, 624 00:32:22,813 --> 00:32:26,533 Speaker 6: which is that playing fast, keeping it alive, running hard 625 00:32:26,533 --> 00:32:27,573 Speaker 6: into space. 626 00:32:29,093 --> 00:32:31,013 Speaker 5: And so it's kind of like harnessing that. 627 00:32:33,053 --> 00:32:37,413 Speaker 6: Really big on the guys being brave and I guess 628 00:32:37,573 --> 00:32:39,813 Speaker 6: freeing them up so that they can they feel like 629 00:32:39,853 --> 00:32:40,693 Speaker 6: they can go out there. 630 00:32:40,613 --> 00:32:42,773 Speaker 5: On the on the game day and and have a crack. 631 00:32:44,253 --> 00:32:46,573 Speaker 6: So I guess that's it's that mix between giving them 632 00:32:46,613 --> 00:32:50,013 Speaker 6: detail which you need an international game to break down defenses, 633 00:32:50,333 --> 00:32:56,373 Speaker 6: understanding how we play and their roles, but also getting 634 00:32:56,373 --> 00:32:58,413 Speaker 6: them into that stage where they just feel like that 635 00:32:58,453 --> 00:32:59,973 Speaker 6: they can look up and play what he was in 636 00:32:59,973 --> 00:33:02,813 Speaker 6: front of them and get that good Argentinian flear which 637 00:33:02,853 --> 00:33:07,253 Speaker 6: can which can come out. Yeah, we're working a lot 638 00:33:07,293 --> 00:33:10,093 Speaker 6: as well and how we can I guess a good 639 00:33:10,093 --> 00:33:14,293 Speaker 6: thing about the team is that they're capable of, I 640 00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:18,173 Speaker 6: guess emotionally really getting up. But what we're really working 641 00:33:18,173 --> 00:33:20,173 Speaker 6: on as well as making sure that we can get 642 00:33:20,213 --> 00:33:24,773 Speaker 6: that right balance between being in that right head space 643 00:33:24,813 --> 00:33:27,773 Speaker 6: for emotionally you're right up to rip right in, but 644 00:33:27,853 --> 00:33:31,293 Speaker 6: not letting it maybe go over where it can lead 645 00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:36,773 Speaker 6: to discipline or eras or that kind of thing. So yeah, 646 00:33:36,813 --> 00:33:38,693 Speaker 6: that's a big thing that we're focusing on as a 647 00:33:38,773 --> 00:33:39,453 Speaker 6: staff as well. 648 00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:43,373 Speaker 3: So you came in June last year, I guess you 649 00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:46,813 Speaker 3: know there's been some big results the British and Irish 650 00:33:46,853 --> 00:33:50,013 Speaker 3: lines being the spring box the Wallabies and of course 651 00:33:50,293 --> 00:33:51,613 Speaker 3: the All Blacks and Wellington. 652 00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:54,293 Speaker 4: What what was it like. 653 00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:57,773 Speaker 3: Being on the other side of the fence for that result. 654 00:33:59,293 --> 00:34:03,453 Speaker 6: Yeah, well it was amazing to be a part of 655 00:34:06,093 --> 00:34:10,853 Speaker 6: because yeah, like it's that's a huge result all last year. 656 00:34:10,893 --> 00:34:14,493 Speaker 6: I think what we got those results were through real 657 00:34:14,893 --> 00:34:19,653 Speaker 6: consistency of preparation and Felipe's done really well and establishing 658 00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:23,133 Speaker 6: really really good core values within the group and how 659 00:34:23,173 --> 00:34:25,413 Speaker 6: we behave and stuff, and I think that's what helped us. 660 00:34:25,933 --> 00:34:30,413 Speaker 5: I just have that season last year, certainly. 661 00:34:30,333 --> 00:34:32,533 Speaker 6: A little bit different being a key we coaching against 662 00:34:32,533 --> 00:34:36,893 Speaker 6: the All Blacks, but it was it was probably only 663 00:34:37,653 --> 00:34:39,813 Speaker 6: probably felt the most strangers from the lead up to 664 00:34:39,893 --> 00:34:41,973 Speaker 6: the game, and then once you're into it, yes you're 665 00:34:42,013 --> 00:34:44,253 Speaker 6: rolling on with the Pomas and doing everything I can 666 00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:44,853 Speaker 6: for them to. 667 00:34:44,893 --> 00:34:48,573 Speaker 5: Perform and win. So yeah, it felt great. 668 00:34:48,613 --> 00:34:50,013 Speaker 6: And then it was really good to back that up 669 00:34:50,013 --> 00:34:53,733 Speaker 6: and be able to beat the spring Box and have 670 00:34:53,813 --> 00:34:55,573 Speaker 6: we had a really good performance against Aussie over there 671 00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:57,773 Speaker 6: where we had a record score against them. But again 672 00:34:58,133 --> 00:35:00,413 Speaker 6: for us, like our next level for our growth is 673 00:35:00,413 --> 00:35:03,693 Speaker 6: to be able to do that again and then also 674 00:35:03,733 --> 00:35:06,493 Speaker 6: back it up game after game, because we did have 675 00:35:06,693 --> 00:35:08,333 Speaker 6: ups and downs. You know, each time we did beat 676 00:35:08,373 --> 00:35:11,733 Speaker 6: the top guys, we lost the next game. But that 677 00:35:12,173 --> 00:35:15,373 Speaker 6: Lions game was really really good, Like, we were really 678 00:35:15,373 --> 00:35:17,093 Speaker 6: happy with that. We only had five days to get 679 00:35:17,093 --> 00:35:19,213 Speaker 6: together as a group and you know, we all got 680 00:35:19,253 --> 00:35:21,533 Speaker 6: to go over in Dublin and it's a big event 681 00:35:21,573 --> 00:35:24,133 Speaker 6: the Lions, you know. But I was happy that we 682 00:35:24,173 --> 00:35:26,533 Speaker 6: started that season like that and the type of rugby 683 00:35:26,573 --> 00:35:28,693 Speaker 6: we played as well as exactly what we've been working on, 684 00:35:29,053 --> 00:35:31,413 Speaker 6: really good, positive and scoring good tries. 685 00:35:31,453 --> 00:35:34,413 Speaker 5: But yeah, that was good. 686 00:35:34,653 --> 00:35:37,373 Speaker 3: What do you think it would mean to them? You know, 687 00:35:37,413 --> 00:35:40,733 Speaker 3: they're not off for various firsts and recent times. What 688 00:35:40,773 --> 00:35:42,773 Speaker 3: do you think it would mean to beat your blacks 689 00:35:42,813 --> 00:35:44,253 Speaker 3: on home saw for the first time? 690 00:35:45,853 --> 00:35:47,733 Speaker 5: I would be huge. I think. 691 00:35:49,133 --> 00:35:52,773 Speaker 6: Rugby and Argentina is in an interesting spot whereas there 692 00:35:52,853 --> 00:35:56,693 Speaker 6: was a rocky period probably five or six years ago, 693 00:35:56,973 --> 00:36:00,813 Speaker 6: and now it's really in a moving in a positive direction. 694 00:36:00,973 --> 00:36:04,373 Speaker 5: Like amateur rugby, which is the bulk. 695 00:36:04,133 --> 00:36:07,133 Speaker 6: Of that in Argentina is thriving, like the club scene 696 00:36:07,133 --> 00:36:11,413 Speaker 6: there is awesome, and I think what we did last year, 697 00:36:11,453 --> 00:36:13,813 Speaker 6: hopefully the style of play we're trying to bring in, 698 00:36:14,533 --> 00:36:19,573 Speaker 6: which is real positive and fast and open. We'll keep 699 00:36:19,653 --> 00:36:22,933 Speaker 6: growing that energy and so to beat a team like 700 00:36:22,973 --> 00:36:25,533 Speaker 6: the All Blacks at home would be would be huge. 701 00:36:25,573 --> 00:36:28,933 Speaker 6: It would be huge to kind of, I guess back 702 00:36:29,013 --> 00:36:32,973 Speaker 6: up what we did last year and solidify what we're 703 00:36:32,973 --> 00:36:35,053 Speaker 6: trying to achieve, you know, as specially as we built 704 00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:37,133 Speaker 6: in these next few years. So made it would be huge. 705 00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:38,973 Speaker 6: It'll be huge for the country and it would be 706 00:36:39,053 --> 00:36:39,853 Speaker 6: huge for the team. 707 00:36:39,973 --> 00:36:42,933 Speaker 2: That it'll do us for Rugby Direct looking forward to 708 00:36:43,013 --> 00:36:45,773 Speaker 2: kick off nineteen someday morning, the All Blacks in Argentina 709 00:36:45,813 --> 00:36:48,613 Speaker 2: in Cordoba and Ligham look forward to hearing all about 710 00:36:48,613 --> 00:36:52,333 Speaker 2: your adventures in Cordoba and beyond when we catch up 711 00:36:52,333 --> 00:36:52,773 Speaker 2: next week. 712 00:36:53,053 --> 00:36:55,413 Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, La, I need to return the favor you 713 00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:57,893 Speaker 3: brought me home a we melback last year, so it'd 714 00:36:57,893 --> 00:36:59,493 Speaker 3: be rude if I didn't. 715 00:37:00,693 --> 00:37:01,213 Speaker 4: Do the same. 716 00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:03,813 Speaker 2: I look forward to receiving that on your return. 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