1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,947 Speaker 1: from newstalksb se. 3 00:00:13,067 --> 00:00:15,507 Speaker 2: Get on to James. We've found down the back of 4 00:00:15,507 --> 00:00:17,867 Speaker 2: the couch today, macconey, is that where you've been all 5 00:00:17,907 --> 00:00:20,587 Speaker 2: these months? Don't try and tell me you've been overseas. 6 00:00:21,547 --> 00:00:24,467 Speaker 3: A little bit of overseas and just down in Taranaki 7 00:00:25,067 --> 00:00:30,587 Speaker 3: for a conductive education fundraiser. Incredible people are doing education 8 00:00:30,787 --> 00:00:33,947 Speaker 3: for disabled kids. And Wayne Smith was one of the 9 00:00:34,707 --> 00:00:38,707 Speaker 3: keynote speakers and so some of my opinions this morning 10 00:00:39,107 --> 00:00:40,787 Speaker 3: may be influenced by the professor. 11 00:00:41,787 --> 00:00:43,427 Speaker 2: So you got them with you now just put them 12 00:00:43,427 --> 00:00:44,067 Speaker 2: on the phone. 13 00:00:45,027 --> 00:00:47,827 Speaker 3: Not exactly, it's a much better idea. And can I 14 00:00:47,947 --> 00:00:51,507 Speaker 3: just give you some cutos for the first part of 15 00:00:51,547 --> 00:00:55,347 Speaker 3: the hour with Anna Grimaldi and then Campbell Padata, just 16 00:00:55,507 --> 00:00:59,707 Speaker 3: absolute unbridled joy. So I'm guessing this is the miserable part. 17 00:00:59,987 --> 00:01:02,787 Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't don't be smiling for me, James. 18 00:01:02,787 --> 00:01:05,467 Speaker 2: You don't have to be miserable. You're not texting in 19 00:01:05,747 --> 00:01:10,307 Speaker 2: come on, someone takes it and the naki is taking 20 00:01:10,307 --> 00:01:13,267 Speaker 2: it from the muck or up the naki that's from 21 00:01:13,387 --> 00:01:15,347 Speaker 2: chop So would you buy into that as well? Would 22 00:01:15,387 --> 00:01:16,307 Speaker 2: you do? 23 00:01:16,347 --> 00:01:18,267 Speaker 3: You know what, I love the shield so much. I 24 00:01:18,307 --> 00:01:20,587 Speaker 3: had a quick look and thought if there was a 25 00:01:20,627 --> 00:01:23,587 Speaker 3: one match tenure for the for the rest of the season, 26 00:01:23,707 --> 00:01:26,507 Speaker 3: so it just keeps on going around. I think Otago 27 00:01:26,707 --> 00:01:29,947 Speaker 3: ends up with it if everybody loses a first challenge. 28 00:01:29,987 --> 00:01:30,667 Speaker 3: So there you go. 29 00:01:30,907 --> 00:01:32,547 Speaker 2: Who treats it the worst? Now I'm not going to 30 00:01:32,587 --> 00:01:34,787 Speaker 2: go along those lines. Already did that with PTA. Let's 31 00:01:34,867 --> 00:01:37,547 Speaker 2: talk about what you want to talk about All Blacks 32 00:01:37,707 --> 00:01:40,067 Speaker 2: South Africa. Shed some light on it, please. 33 00:01:40,867 --> 00:01:43,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I thought your call has made some great points, 34 00:01:43,227 --> 00:01:45,387 Speaker 3: but I am going to zag where they have zig 35 00:01:45,427 --> 00:01:48,307 Speaker 3: and I will actually stick up for Damien McKenzie, not 36 00:01:48,387 --> 00:01:51,347 Speaker 3: because I'm a punishing Chiefs fan, but just because I 37 00:01:51,347 --> 00:01:54,787 Speaker 3: think at first five there's a lot of nuances to 38 00:01:54,867 --> 00:01:57,387 Speaker 3: that position. And I know that everyone goes on about 39 00:01:57,427 --> 00:02:01,827 Speaker 3: game management and that's totally fair enough, but also in 40 00:02:01,987 --> 00:02:04,787 Speaker 3: test matches of that magnitude of game management is that 41 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:07,427 Speaker 3: big a problem in the coaches have to take some 42 00:02:07,507 --> 00:02:11,747 Speaker 3: responsibility there because you watched that last quarter and I 43 00:02:11,787 --> 00:02:15,707 Speaker 3: think there were several mistakes from a number of All Blacks, 44 00:02:15,907 --> 00:02:19,107 Speaker 3: including you know, great All Blacks, and I don't think 45 00:02:19,187 --> 00:02:21,587 Speaker 3: mackenzie apart from off the tee. Yes, I know that 46 00:02:21,747 --> 00:02:23,947 Speaker 3: was a problem, the kicking, but I don't think he 47 00:02:24,107 --> 00:02:25,707 Speaker 3: was as at fault as many think. 48 00:02:26,627 --> 00:02:30,387 Speaker 2: Well name them. You can't just throw muddet people and 49 00:02:30,507 --> 00:02:32,987 Speaker 2: not name them. Who are the great? All blacks? Are 50 00:02:32,987 --> 00:02:35,267 Speaker 2: the great all blacks in that side? What mistakes they made? 51 00:02:35,347 --> 00:02:36,547 Speaker 2: Come on? James front up. 52 00:02:37,547 --> 00:02:39,867 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think you know exactly like well, 53 00:02:39,907 --> 00:02:42,387 Speaker 3: I think we've got a drop ball from the captain. 54 00:02:42,507 --> 00:02:47,867 Speaker 3: There was several breakdown penalties and you can go in 55 00:02:47,947 --> 00:02:51,147 Speaker 3: and talk about that. One was for not releasing, one 56 00:02:51,307 --> 00:02:53,427 Speaker 3: was for an incorrect clean out. There was a yellow 57 00:02:53,467 --> 00:02:56,667 Speaker 3: card from Tyrell Lomax. I'm just talking about all these 58 00:02:56,707 --> 00:02:59,907 Speaker 3: mistakes in the final quarter. Yeah, dmac missed a couple 59 00:02:59,947 --> 00:03:01,707 Speaker 3: of kicks, but I just think there needs to be 60 00:03:01,747 --> 00:03:04,667 Speaker 3: some perspective. It is a team sport. And by the way, 61 00:03:04,787 --> 00:03:07,867 Speaker 3: if we are talking about kicks, I think Jordie should 62 00:03:07,867 --> 00:03:10,387 Speaker 3: be taking the long range goals. And don't at me 63 00:03:10,507 --> 00:03:14,827 Speaker 3: because he has got In golfing terms, he's the driver 64 00:03:15,307 --> 00:03:18,107 Speaker 3: and DMC is the three iron, and I think he's 65 00:03:18,147 --> 00:03:20,787 Speaker 3: got ten meters more range and so he should be 66 00:03:20,827 --> 00:03:24,627 Speaker 3: taking those fifty meter plus kicks and leave DMAC on 67 00:03:24,667 --> 00:03:27,947 Speaker 3: the short range ones, although admittedly he did miss one. 68 00:03:28,867 --> 00:03:32,267 Speaker 2: And I'll pass that message on to the All Black management, 69 00:03:32,427 --> 00:03:34,267 Speaker 2: not that they were taking any of my advice, but 70 00:03:34,347 --> 00:03:37,787 Speaker 2: so be it. Do we get away from that, go 71 00:03:37,867 --> 00:03:42,227 Speaker 2: to the Ranfurly shield. The storied career of this log 72 00:03:42,307 --> 00:03:45,987 Speaker 2: of wood continues. And when you think about the history 73 00:03:46,027 --> 00:03:48,027 Speaker 2: of rugby in this country and the way things chomp 74 00:03:48,067 --> 00:03:50,227 Speaker 2: and change and the way things develop and so on 75 00:03:50,267 --> 00:03:53,507 Speaker 2: and so forth, this thing's still going and it still 76 00:03:53,547 --> 00:03:58,707 Speaker 2: creates a ruckus that's extraordinary, the tenure, the hold it's 77 00:03:58,707 --> 00:04:00,227 Speaker 2: had on that he's on in rugby public. 78 00:04:01,547 --> 00:04:03,947 Speaker 3: There's still magic about the shield, and to be honest, 79 00:04:03,987 --> 00:04:07,227 Speaker 3: it's one of the things about New z On rugby 80 00:04:07,267 --> 00:04:09,867 Speaker 3: that other nations should have taken note. And I think 81 00:04:09,907 --> 00:04:12,067 Speaker 3: you can do it in contact sport. It's a bit 82 00:04:12,067 --> 00:04:14,027 Speaker 3: tricky in football where someone can nick a goal in 83 00:04:14,067 --> 00:04:17,107 Speaker 3: the last second and it just changes everything, but generally, 84 00:04:17,307 --> 00:04:20,307 Speaker 3: once you've slogged it out over eighty minutes, you can 85 00:04:20,387 --> 00:04:23,827 Speaker 3: work out a worthy winner. So I feel like a 86 00:04:23,907 --> 00:04:27,067 Speaker 3: ran Philly shield concept should be used by all other 87 00:04:27,547 --> 00:04:30,187 Speaker 3: nations and all other contact codes. Like whether it's the 88 00:04:30,307 --> 00:04:34,507 Speaker 3: NRL or the NFL in America because just having that 89 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:38,067 Speaker 3: fortress mentality it means something. You can see the pride 90 00:04:38,107 --> 00:04:40,707 Speaker 3: in it, and how great is it that most of 91 00:04:40,747 --> 00:04:44,827 Speaker 3: these these players are just young kids, but they still 92 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:48,587 Speaker 3: get it, They still get how amazing the shield is, 93 00:04:48,627 --> 00:04:50,547 Speaker 3: you know, one hundred years on from its inception. 94 00:04:52,467 --> 00:04:56,827 Speaker 2: And you say kids, because they've been brought up with 95 00:04:56,947 --> 00:05:00,507 Speaker 2: the wonderment of the Randfuri Shield. It's the whole oral tradition, 96 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:03,507 Speaker 2: is it? The history handed down? And they know, I 97 00:05:03,547 --> 00:05:06,307 Speaker 2: mean it's a part of the even ninety seventy three around. 98 00:05:06,747 --> 00:05:08,707 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would missed that one. 99 00:05:09,427 --> 00:05:12,147 Speaker 3: And want to kick off the bench if only we 100 00:05:12,347 --> 00:05:14,787 Speaker 3: kicked like that and capturing And I'm not going to 101 00:05:14,827 --> 00:05:17,347 Speaker 3: go back there, but I would say, just in terms 102 00:05:17,387 --> 00:05:20,627 Speaker 3: of the bench, did I still feel that bomb squad? 103 00:05:20,707 --> 00:05:23,027 Speaker 3: If we are just to backtrack a little bit about 104 00:05:23,147 --> 00:05:26,827 Speaker 3: the abs the bomb squad idea, the All Blacks still 105 00:05:26,867 --> 00:05:30,027 Speaker 3: haven't worked out how to counter that, because, as you've 106 00:05:30,067 --> 00:05:33,547 Speaker 3: talked about on the show, there were several players left 107 00:05:34,187 --> 00:05:37,587 Speaker 3: high and dry reserves not even used. So I do 108 00:05:37,707 --> 00:05:39,907 Speaker 3: think that the coaches are going to have to take 109 00:05:40,787 --> 00:05:42,947 Speaker 3: a hit on that lost last night. I don't think 110 00:05:42,987 --> 00:05:45,667 Speaker 3: it's time to get the knives out solely for the players. 111 00:05:45,947 --> 00:05:48,347 Speaker 2: Did the quarter that rang through and said, look, there's 112 00:05:48,347 --> 00:05:50,587 Speaker 2: been a succession plan for so long with the All Blacks. 113 00:05:50,587 --> 00:05:55,147 Speaker 2: This is a fresh team with fresh coaching staffes that 114 00:05:55,187 --> 00:05:56,627 Speaker 2: give them a bit of wiggle room. 115 00:05:56,667 --> 00:05:59,387 Speaker 3: Do you think, yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm not even 116 00:05:59,427 --> 00:06:02,907 Speaker 3: saying that the coaches need to change. I'm just saying 117 00:06:02,947 --> 00:06:07,427 Speaker 3: that they'll realize that they've got a few things wrong tactically. 118 00:06:07,627 --> 00:06:12,467 Speaker 3: And really, the intensity of a spring box All Blacks 119 00:06:12,547 --> 00:06:17,187 Speaker 3: tests is something It's just another level. I think every nation, 120 00:06:17,427 --> 00:06:20,107 Speaker 3: doesn't matter whether it's your northern hemisphere or even just 121 00:06:20,147 --> 00:06:24,027 Speaker 3: the Minnows, they'll use that those two test matches of 122 00:06:24,147 --> 00:06:27,427 Speaker 3: the past two weeks as a master class an intensity 123 00:06:27,667 --> 00:06:30,467 Speaker 3: and how to perform or not perform in the clutch. 124 00:06:30,507 --> 00:06:33,707 Speaker 3: You know, it's just you can feel it, you can 125 00:06:33,747 --> 00:06:37,027 Speaker 3: sense it. I don't think there's anything like it. I 126 00:06:37,067 --> 00:06:40,227 Speaker 3: guess maybe Origin at its peak used to feel like that, 127 00:06:40,387 --> 00:06:43,787 Speaker 3: But those spring boxs All Blacks tests are just something else. 128 00:06:44,107 --> 00:06:46,907 Speaker 2: Third Ay minutester two, you're getting a hammering on text. Well, 129 00:06:46,947 --> 00:06:50,667 Speaker 2: if one text is a hammering, apparently you're showing your 130 00:06:50,867 --> 00:06:54,787 Speaker 2: chief's bias and you can see that coming, didn't you. 131 00:06:55,467 --> 00:06:57,227 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know that's going to happen. But look, 132 00:06:57,307 --> 00:07:03,747 Speaker 3: I'm all for actually persevering with a player who's feedingly talented. 133 00:07:04,107 --> 00:07:06,947 Speaker 3: I thought that, for example one Backline movie, it's perfect. 134 00:07:07,267 --> 00:07:11,067 Speaker 3: But Willie LaRue got his hand in the way of 135 00:07:11,147 --> 00:07:13,787 Speaker 3: Boden's past. You know, if that pass was thrown a 136 00:07:13,827 --> 00:07:17,427 Speaker 3: split second earlier, seven Reese makes the break and Boden 137 00:07:17,467 --> 00:07:19,587 Speaker 3: finishes on the inside, Like, I mean, that is a 138 00:07:19,787 --> 00:07:22,987 Speaker 3: definite try right there. And it was a yellow card 139 00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:26,507 Speaker 3: to South Africa probably the right you know risk that. 140 00:07:26,587 --> 00:07:28,747 Speaker 3: These are the things I think people need to understand. 141 00:07:29,067 --> 00:07:32,027 Speaker 3: It is sport and things weird, little things happen that 142 00:07:32,147 --> 00:07:34,867 Speaker 3: tip tip the balance and all those mistakes I'm talking 143 00:07:34,907 --> 00:07:37,347 Speaker 3: about from the all blacks. I don't necessarily blame them. 144 00:07:37,387 --> 00:07:38,947 Speaker 3: I'm just saying they happened as well. 145 00:07:40,547 --> 00:07:44,507 Speaker 4: Come on, I've had it all before. They don't do 146 00:07:44,587 --> 00:07:46,827 Speaker 4: it deliberately, and that's what people have got to realize. 147 00:07:46,867 --> 00:07:49,627 Speaker 4: That people take this as a personal front like they're 148 00:07:49,667 --> 00:07:52,187 Speaker 4: being intacked themselves. I didn't go out there to do that, right, 149 00:07:52,227 --> 00:07:52,867 Speaker 4: It's not their. 150 00:07:52,787 --> 00:07:56,827 Speaker 3: Plan exactly I know, and that's the thing. I mean, look, 151 00:07:56,867 --> 00:07:59,707 Speaker 3: there's I think it's been an incredible test matches and 152 00:07:59,907 --> 00:08:01,907 Speaker 3: I've just admired what the All Blacks have done. They 153 00:08:02,027 --> 00:08:04,707 Speaker 3: just finished up short. So can we just deal with 154 00:08:04,747 --> 00:08:08,387 Speaker 3: that maybe in the mature man. I mean, yeah, obviously 155 00:08:08,787 --> 00:08:10,947 Speaker 3: everybody sort of throws their toys every now and then, 156 00:08:10,987 --> 00:08:12,507 Speaker 3: but it's not that bad. 157 00:08:13,467 --> 00:08:15,587 Speaker 2: I refuse to throw my toys out of the cot 158 00:08:15,627 --> 00:08:18,547 Speaker 2: that I pretty much live in on results that I've 159 00:08:18,587 --> 00:08:22,427 Speaker 2: got absolutely no control over it. Why would you your nuts? 160 00:08:22,467 --> 00:08:26,587 Speaker 2: And we'll finish things off football. It's all on now 161 00:08:26,707 --> 00:08:29,387 Speaker 2: in the United States of America right across the conference. 162 00:08:29,387 --> 00:08:31,987 Speaker 2: There's plenty going on. Two games yesterday went to Brazil, 163 00:08:32,547 --> 00:08:34,107 Speaker 2: and I've got a whole lot coming up in the 164 00:08:34,107 --> 00:08:35,587 Speaker 2: next couple of days. What have you got on that? 165 00:08:36,627 --> 00:08:39,907 Speaker 3: Well, I'm just here to say, if you're not into 166 00:08:39,947 --> 00:08:42,707 Speaker 3: the NFL, maybe it's time to pick a team. I'm 167 00:08:42,707 --> 00:08:45,827 Speaker 3: a Detroit Lions fan. We're apparently the team that sucked 168 00:08:45,827 --> 00:08:49,467 Speaker 3: the most and has the longest drouts of no Super 169 00:08:49,467 --> 00:08:52,667 Speaker 3: Bowls and no championships or whatever you want to say 170 00:08:53,307 --> 00:08:57,627 Speaker 3: over sixty six years. So look, I think there's a 171 00:08:57,627 --> 00:09:00,627 Speaker 3: lot to like about the NFL. And the other thing 172 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:03,667 Speaker 3: is it's massive the ratings. I think it accounted for 173 00:09:03,707 --> 00:09:08,067 Speaker 3: the top twenty shows in America last year between college 174 00:09:08,067 --> 00:09:12,307 Speaker 3: football and the NFL. So are you a fan of yourself, Darcy? 175 00:09:12,347 --> 00:09:13,267 Speaker 3: Who do you support? 176 00:09:13,507 --> 00:09:17,107 Speaker 2: I support the Jacksonville Jaguars and there is a reason 177 00:09:17,227 --> 00:09:20,347 Speaker 2: behind that that. I remember Ben Mallow, who's going to 178 00:09:20,387 --> 00:09:24,307 Speaker 2: excuse me join us in about an hour's time, when 179 00:09:24,307 --> 00:09:26,547 Speaker 2: we first started talking on here about I want to have 180 00:09:26,507 --> 00:09:29,227 Speaker 2: been twenty years ago now. I asked him who I 181 00:09:29,227 --> 00:09:32,107 Speaker 2: should support, and he told me that the Jacksonville Jaguars 182 00:09:32,587 --> 00:09:34,627 Speaker 2: were a dumpster fire. And I said, that's it. I'm in. 183 00:09:34,747 --> 00:09:37,427 Speaker 2: That's my team. And they were and I followed them. 184 00:09:37,427 --> 00:09:39,547 Speaker 2: And then Blake Bortles turned up and he wasn't very good, 185 00:09:39,707 --> 00:09:42,307 Speaker 2: but they won a couple of games anyway. So that 186 00:09:42,467 --> 00:09:46,027 Speaker 2: is my connection. It's Jacksonville because they were so bad, 187 00:09:46,227 --> 00:09:47,387 Speaker 2: were kindred spirits. 188 00:09:47,467 --> 00:09:51,147 Speaker 3: James, Yeah, I know this, and that's that's the thing. 189 00:09:51,187 --> 00:09:53,507 Speaker 3: You can just choose in the area, choose a player 190 00:09:53,547 --> 00:09:56,627 Speaker 3: who you like, you know the specifica players there to 191 00:09:56,667 --> 00:09:59,027 Speaker 3: a tongue of my lower with as a quarterback for 192 00:09:59,067 --> 00:10:04,507 Speaker 3: the Dolphins, Pookin the cour as someone receiver for the 193 00:10:04,627 --> 00:10:07,467 Speaker 3: l A Rams. I mean, there's plenty of ways to 194 00:10:07,507 --> 00:10:10,587 Speaker 3: sort of get into it, but look, I think the 195 00:10:10,667 --> 00:10:13,147 Speaker 3: tribal is and what they've got over there is something 196 00:10:13,187 --> 00:10:16,787 Speaker 3: that every contact sport, including league and rugby, need to 197 00:10:16,787 --> 00:10:20,067 Speaker 3: look at because it seems to be growing and thriving 198 00:10:20,467 --> 00:10:27,027 Speaker 3: while we with our own domestic competition struggle for crowd. 199 00:10:27,147 --> 00:10:30,107 Speaker 3: So you know it should actually serve as a bit 200 00:10:30,107 --> 00:10:34,027 Speaker 3: of a lesson as well. Really watch this space, how 201 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:36,027 Speaker 3: do you replicate what the NFL. 202 00:10:35,827 --> 00:10:38,667 Speaker 2: Does hold on the rugby union rugby league? You're going 203 00:10:38,707 --> 00:10:41,627 Speaker 2: along the same track because they're slowing the game down 204 00:10:41,747 --> 00:10:44,307 Speaker 2: ridiculous and you spend more time sitting there looking at 205 00:10:44,347 --> 00:10:47,427 Speaker 2: decisions being made than watching accident Dad is my issue 206 00:10:47,427 --> 00:10:50,467 Speaker 2: with that game. And on that note, until next time, 207 00:10:50,867 --> 00:10:54,827 Speaker 2: Jason Pine decides to desert the studio. James Mconi, thanks 208 00:10:54,867 --> 00:10:58,587 Speaker 2: very much for your time, your attitudes, your opinion, your expertise, 209 00:10:58,667 --> 00:10:59,267 Speaker 2: your wonderment. 210 00:10:59,347 --> 00:11:02,507 Speaker 3: Thank you friend, cheers does lovely to chat to you. 211 00:11:02,707 --> 00:11:07,387 Speaker 2: Take am I well eight minutes to two o'clock. 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