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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather duple c Ellen drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: let's get connected, you stalk, said.

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Speaker 3: B afternoon, welcomes to show coming up today. What about

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Speaker 3: that Iowa poll that puts Karmla Harris ahead in a

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Speaker 3: Trump state. We're going to speak to well known polster

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Speaker 3: out of the states, Henry Olson. After five, mister and

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Speaker 3: missus TARMICKI are in court over lockdown breeches year the

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Speaker 3: old Lockdown's back again. Will speak to Steve Cullen, the lawyer,

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Speaker 3: on that, and also the Education Minister Erica Stanford on

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Speaker 3: her announcement which is about to make more helpful kids

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Speaker 3: who are bad at maths.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplessy Ellen, Okay.

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Speaker 3: The latest thing that isn't really a big deal but

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Speaker 3: probably will have a big deal made out of it

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Speaker 3: because it's the Prime Minister, is that Chris Luxon has

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Speaker 3: called us voters customers. Now. He did it in an interview,

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Speaker 3: a sit down interview where he was asked about being

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Speaker 3: seen as out of touch, and he was saying basically, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm in touch because I talk to people all the time.

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Speaker 3: It's been a belief system of mine, talk to the customer,

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Speaker 3: to the public, to the people, to the voters, at

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Speaker 3: which point the interviewer was like, whoa, you used the

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Speaker 3: C word customer. Oh, you got to ditch that corporate speak,

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Speaker 3: don't you.

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with being called a customer,

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Speaker 3: do you? I mean? But do I think this is

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Speaker 3: a big deal. When I was at university studying postgrad politics,

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Speaker 3: we often refer to voters as stakeholders, as in stakeholders

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Speaker 3: in the government of the day, And that's corporate term, right,

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Speaker 3: That's not unusual. It's also really not unusual to see

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Speaker 3: voters in a transactional relationship with a political party, as in,

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Speaker 3: I give you my vote, you give me something back

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Speaker 3: which I want, which is a policy or whatever, if anything. Actually,

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Speaker 3: it's not a bad thing for politicians to see us

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Speaker 3: as customers, customers who will only come back for more

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Speaker 3: from what you're selling if you give us what we want,

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Speaker 3: policies that we like, promises that are delivered, not broken,

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Speaker 3: and so on and so on. What's the problem for

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Speaker 3: a voter? And that that's awesome. You vote for a party,

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Speaker 3: you get what you want. That is arguably the opposite

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Speaker 3: of what the last labor government. Just by contrast, I

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Speaker 3: just want to draw contrast. It's the opposite of what

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Speaker 3: the last labor government was doing the entire time on,

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Speaker 3: for example, crime, We kept saying, as the customers, hey,

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Speaker 3: can you just you know, like go a little bit

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Speaker 3: harder on the gangs, and they kept saying, no, you're wrong,

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Speaker 3: you're not imagining it. We are going there's no crime,

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Speaker 3: We're going out on gangs. And so in the end

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Speaker 3: what happened is the customers we bug it off, didn't

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Speaker 3: we They would have had a better showing at the

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Speaker 3: last election if they remembered the mantra of the customers

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Speaker 3: always right. So a whole bunch of customers didn't come

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Speaker 3: back for more at the last election. Now, also, while

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Speaker 3: we're on the subject, Luxon needs to stop apologizing for

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Speaker 3: corporate speech he brings. I mean, some of the best

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Speaker 3: he brings a corporate approach to it. It says quarterly

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Speaker 3: targets for the government managing the various factions in the

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Speaker 3: Here is a manager. He's good at being a manager.

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Speaker 3: He needs to lean into that.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes obviously you're going to want less transaction and more

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Speaker 3: principle in politics. But ultimately Luxen's onto something.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 3: Here's a guy selling us a product, his products, the

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Speaker 3: National Party. We are customers. We want what we want

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Speaker 3: out of the National Party or who Weather is selling

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Speaker 3: us their policies, and being seen as customers is not

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Speaker 3: altogether a bad thing together. Nine nine two is the

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Speaker 3: text number standard text fees apply now to something going

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Speaker 3: on in Hawk's Bay. Principles and parents, there are upper

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Speaker 3: arms because the Ministry of Education is acting their school bus.

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Speaker 3: The bus currently drops about ninety students from Clive to

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Speaker 3: Lock North Intermediate Principal Nigel Mssovi and have Lock North

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Speaker 3: the moment. High lads koder okay, Nigel, Yeah, I'm good,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Nigel. I start with you. Why are you

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Speaker 7: I think it's because under the consultation we've been provided

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Speaker 7: that have been provided through the public service there, they

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Speaker 7: So if we're finishing school at three o'clock, they then

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Speaker 7: depart on the service at three point thirty. Both of

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Speaker 7: those buses then arrived back in Clive at five pm,

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Speaker 7: and in some cases those children are then walking to

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Speaker 3: Stay catching the school bus? What time do they leave

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Speaker 7: They're catching that bus around about eight o'clock in the

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Speaker 7: a direct route. They don't have to go through Hastings,

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Speaker 3: Not an option for the parents to drop them off.

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Speaker 7: Definitely an option, I guess when I'm listening to the

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Speaker 7: coming straight through to have a lot of mors using

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Speaker 3: Joel, I'm pretty sure I heard you make a noise

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Speaker 3: when I said is it an option for parents to

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of parents are finding it pretty

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Speaker 8: another hurdle over and above, and I think Nigel's point

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Speaker 8: this particular situation stand out. For students to like Nigel said,

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Speaker 8: who are eleven years old, to be commuting for three

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Speaker 8: really a ten minute trip doesn't seem like appropriate public

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Speaker 3: Are they no schools closer to Clive.

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Speaker 8: So we're currently the school that the client students are

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Speaker 3: Suppose gone of the day as a child would drive

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Speaker 8: Well, we certainly have a few students like that, but

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Speaker 8: I think again it comes down to, you know, kids

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Speaker 8: are eleven years old. That's perhaps less appropriate, but it's

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Speaker 8: also I suppose one of the things that we'd also

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon Nigel is eleven years old too

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Speaker 3: young to be riding ten k's to school on a bike.

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Speaker 7: In some situations not. I think it depends on the

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Speaker 7: not sure if you're familiar with Clive that it pretty

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Speaker 3: That pretty busy road zone, Gools.

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Speaker 7: They do have them, and those zones there are specifically

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Speaker 3: Guys, thank you very much for talking us through. I

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Speaker 3: this is a little bit grim, but this is just

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Speaker 3: just a bit of overseas news for you. The Kremlin

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Speaker 3: has just given it soldiers a manual for how to

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Speaker 3: dig mass graves. Thing runs to twenty pages. I mean,

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Speaker 3: called Civil Defense Urgent Burials of Corpses in Wartime, tells

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Speaker 3: sixteen past four, Who will.

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Speaker 2: Take the White House Results and analysis of the US election?

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Speaker 2: On Heather Dupless Alum Drive with One New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 3: Jason pine sports talkhosters with I say.

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Speaker 9: Piney, Hello, Heather Poney.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say I thoroughly enjoyed your commentary of

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Speaker 3: the football.

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Speaker 9: Oh, thank you, Heaven, that's very much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was quite suppressed. I was impressed. So I

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Speaker 3: don't know, you sound south surprised. It's like you knew

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Speaker 3: what you were talking about. Part I thought I thought

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Speaker 3: he'd be terrible. No, he actually knows about football. Although Piney,

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Speaker 3: although did you see the victory coming? Because I did, No,

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Speaker 3: did you? I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I think I thought that something would happen at the

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Speaker 3: On Saturday morning, Piney, thank you so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Sports Store Coast to be back at seven o'clock this evening.

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Speaker 3: Hither I live and Havelock, North Clive is only ten

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Allen, drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 3: You do realize that parents have to go to work,

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Speaker 3: As a ten year old in nineteen eighty, I had

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Speaker 3: Don't make them like they used to do they Quinn.

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Speaker 3: just thinking about it as a parent, right, Like, come on,

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Speaker 3: Worse for you. What time are you up to try

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Speaker 3: That no me being selfish, I'm gonna burn those climate

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Speaker 1: Zb Hard questions strong opinion ever due for see allan

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Speaker 3: Right after five o'clock we'll have a chat to Henry Elsen.

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Speaker 3: The polster text on that says, hither. The thing about

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Speaker 3: this state. Anyway. The weird thing about what's going on

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Speaker 3: it's trumpies, But the vibe is different, isn't it. Anyway? Listen,

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Speaker 3: It's about two million bucks, not a lot, but it's

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Speaker 3: They'll get thirty minutes extra tuition up to four days

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Speaker 3: a week. And we'll have a chat to Erica Stanford

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Speaker 3: twenty three away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Forty eight hours until election day in the US, and

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Speaker 3: both the presidential candidates are busy campaign And Karmela has

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Speaker 3: been reading the Bible in Michigan.

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Speaker 12: Jeremi roll for I know the plans I have for you.

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Speaker 3: They are the plans for good and not for disaster.

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Speaker 3: And Trump has told Pennsylvanian voters that he'll be upset

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Speaker 13: These elections have to be they have to be decided

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Speaker 13: by nine o'clock, ten o'clock, eleven o'clock on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 4: A bunch are crooked people. These are crooked people.

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Speaker 3: King of Spain has been pelted by mud during a

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Speaker 14: When people come here for a footo opportunity, that makes

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Speaker 14: the streets. It's going to take months to clear and

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Speaker 3: And finally Chris Martin is okay, he's safe. He's uninjured

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Speaker 3: because he you know, he fell through the trap door

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Speaker 3: He who leaves a trap door open? Here's how the

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Life presenters with us.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Ollie, Hey that we got Cold Player a year ago,

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Speaker 10: so Perth was first. Howard's that My gosh, honestly you are?

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Speaker 3: Has anybody told you how competitive you are?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 15: I'm also barracking for the New Zealand Greek team. How

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Speaker 15: good is it you want three zip against India?

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Speaker 3: us off for constantly getting excited about punching above our

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Speaker 3: way to the sporting world, and nobody really cares like

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Speaker 3: That's how badly Australians have taken the fact that we

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Speaker 3: actually are better than them at cricket.

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Speaker 15: I don't even know whose is so I'm on board, right.

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Speaker 15: I don't know why I really like your cricket. I

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Speaker 15: hate your rugby team, but I love your cricket team

441
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Speaker 15: because you are the underdog, because you're not meant to

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Speaker 15: be very good at cricket, right, and the fact that

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Speaker 15: you are and you always exactly. I love the underdog

444
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Speaker 15: story of New Zealand and I sincerely mean that, so

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Speaker 15: I am all for I'm in your corner. I think

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Speaker 15: that's one of the greatest sporting achievements ever that New

447
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Speaker 15: Zealand has been India three nil in conditions which are

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Speaker 15: impossible to be victorious. So you deserve, you deserve to

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Speaker 15: give your was a big pad on the back and

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Speaker 15: celebrate it long and hard all week. For you know

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Speaker 15: what your knew PM should be getting you all the

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Speaker 15: day off today.

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Speaker 3: Public holiday, and I think exactly so. I appreciate how

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Speaker 3: magnanimous you're being right now, Oliver. Thank you for that's

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Speaker 3: very out of character for you. Hey, listen on something serious.

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Speaker 3: Have they managed to find this eleven year old?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 10: No, yeah, isn't this awful? I mean, this is just horrible.

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Speaker 15: You had an eleven year old, a seven year old

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Speaker 15: and a three year old just standing there on the

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Speaker 15: Central coast yesterday and they got swept out into the

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Speaker 15: ocean by the currents. The three year old the seven

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Speaker 15: year old have been found. The eleven year old, you

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Speaker 15: would presume, unfortunately whenever going to find him, or he

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Speaker 15: won't be alive.

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Speaker 10: That's what he's just so sad.

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Speaker 15: The forty three year old father tried to get to

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Speaker 15: his son disappeared under the water.

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Speaker 10: Police were out there.

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Speaker 15: They had an extensive land and air and sea search

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Speaker 15: that was obviously suspended when they lost light yesterday. But

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Speaker 15: they're back out there today. They'll continue throughout the day,

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Speaker 15: but you would imagine it probably wouldn't go much further

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Speaker 15: if they don't recover a body.

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Speaker 10: That is just heartbreaking. For that poor family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. Now is anybody so I see

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Speaker 3: Virgin wants to fly Ossie's politicians and can ever can

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Speaker 3: they do it for cheap? Is any politician going to

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Speaker 3: want to fly Virgin?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 15: This is Look, this is part of the problem, to

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Speaker 15: be honest, and I understand that absolutely. I mean, I

483
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Speaker 15: think all companies around Australia and New Zealand at the

484
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Speaker 15: moment are really putting the pressure on their employees to

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Speaker 15: try and take the cheapest possible flight at the most

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Speaker 15: convenient time. I don't think anyone would say that it

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Speaker 15: would be worth trying to pay more money to go

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Speaker 15: on on a more expensive airline if all of a

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Speaker 15: sudden the flights were leaving it at the same time.

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Speaker 10: But you don't remember Virgin, he's a really small.

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Speaker 15: Player in Australia now, it's only about twenty percent of

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Speaker 15: the domestic aviation market. But look, they do make a

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Speaker 15: good point because supposedly these contracts are worth about two

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Speaker 15: hundred and fifty million dollars per year to fly the

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Speaker 15: Polls and their staff around Australia. Virgin only has a

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Speaker 15: twenty three percent of that two hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 15: dollar spend, so it wants to up that spend. But

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Speaker 15: they've got obviously put on more planes, have more accessibility.

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Speaker 15: Like give you an example, if you want to fly

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Speaker 15: from Perth to Canberra, there's only one flight a day

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Speaker 15: on quantas. Virgin don't even fly from Perth to Canbras.

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Speaker 15: And if you've got to go to Melbourne or Sydney,

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Speaker 15: I want you to be a five hour direct flight.

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Speaker 15: I mean you're talking ten or twelve hours. So sometimes

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Speaker 15: it's not as convenient. I do believe though they should

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Speaker 15: be trying to find that. You know, if you've got

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Speaker 15: a flight leaving at seven am in the morning, it's

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Speaker 15: going from Sydney to Canberra and the corners ones three

509
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Speaker 15: times is more expensive, We'll fly Virgin, but you can

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Speaker 15: understand that people are going to be flying on the

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Speaker 15: more convenient times. Yes, it might cost more, but maybe

512
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Speaker 15: there has to be more pressure on reviewing whatever is

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Speaker 15: the cheapest available at whatever is the time that.

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Speaker 10: Is also going to be working for that particular individual.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose so. I mean it's a bit of

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Speaker 3: a pain rate because you get into the club's quant

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Speaker 3: just don't you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's wrong.

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Speaker 15: In the chairman's club, right, I think we want to

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Speaker 15: begrudge people getting in their header and getting a little

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Speaker 15: drink and a sausage roll before you take off.

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Speaker 3: It's just convenient. Hey. So what has the opposition got

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Speaker 3: planned for Woolorths and Coals that they get.

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Speaker 10: In So, I mean that's talked tough by saying they

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Speaker 10: break them up.

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Speaker 15: Basically, that's what David little Proud wanted to do the

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Speaker 15: National Party leader.

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Speaker 10: It's walk back on that a little bit.

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Speaker 15: But what he's now saying is if they have bought

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Speaker 15: a parcel of land saying Western Sydney that they're not

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Speaker 15: doing anything with that they're sitting on because they don't

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Speaker 15: want their rival to set up opposing supermarket.

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Speaker 10: They're going to force them to sell that land.

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Speaker 15: So they're going to force them to say, if you're

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Speaker 15: not going to develop it within say five years, sell

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Speaker 15: it that another player come in. That's the start of

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Speaker 15: their policy. Now they're going to try and obviously sell

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Speaker 15: this to the Australian public by saying this is about

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Speaker 15: cost of living pressures and trying to reduce your grocery bills.

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Speaker 15: By saying if Colson Woolies don't want it, maybe Aldi

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Speaker 15: wants it. Maybe an independent wants it, maybe somebody else

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Speaker 15: wants it to try and save you a few bucks

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Speaker 15: at the checkout. I think it's a hard one to

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Speaker 15: try and again sell to the general population. I don't

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Speaker 15: think that they're sitting on dozens and dozens of greenfield

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Speaker 15: sites and you'll probably find ultimately Heather one of these

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Speaker 15: other big major supermarket chains, one of the smaller ones

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Speaker 15: looks at it and thinks, so hold on, we probably

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Speaker 15: wouldn't be able to develop it make any money ourselves.

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Speaker 10: So look seem to be doing something absolutely theory. It

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Speaker 10: sounds good practice, good.

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Speaker 3: Lucky to write, well said, Thank you, Olie, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson six pr Perth Life present. Here this is

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Speaker 3: the message, shoat I got. What time of the morning

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Speaker 3: was this?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 3: No, I was in midday? No, so that's all right.

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Speaker 3: It's not a nutter up at the middle of the

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Speaker 3: night here that This is from Leonard Hither. I am

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Speaker 3: fed up with New Zealand print media claiming quote world

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Speaker 3: attention whenever they win a sporting event eg. Cricket, rugby,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. Fact as most of the world couldn't give

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Speaker 3: a ratsass about it, let alone know about it. Happy

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Speaker 3: to cut loose on your show. I'm a broadcasting journalist

565
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Speaker 3: and writer. Shall just go to Leetna because I actually

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Speaker 3: quite like pretending that everybody cares caught it.

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Speaker 2: To politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty Barry Soo, Presenior Political Correspondence with US Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 3: tell me about this claim about the gang raid.

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Speaker 17: Well, you've got to say the Prime Minister was harangued

571
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Speaker 17: at his post cabinet news conference a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 17: It was about the police raid on the mongrel mogue,

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Speaker 17: a mob and a potocky. Recently, the claim was made

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Speaker 17: that a three year old was left under tended in

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Speaker 17: a house for several hours after the mother and the

576
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Speaker 17: grandmother were taken away by the police. Apparently, according to

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Speaker 17: the question or at the press conference, the police prevented

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Speaker 17: extend family members from getting to the child. Chris Luckson

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Speaker 17: says he'll look into it, but refuse to apologize for

580
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Speaker 17: the police raiding gangs.

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Speaker 18: And that's really really tragic. And I've just said to

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Speaker 18: you before that's not acceptable. I get that, But equally

583
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Speaker 18: what's not acceptable yep, But what's also not acceptable? I've

584
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Speaker 18: said that, But what is also not acceptable. I want

585
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Speaker 18: you to be really clear about this is the gang

586
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Speaker 18: behavior is utterly unacceptable. But we said we had come

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Speaker 18: down on violent crime, and that is why we're being

588
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Speaker 18: tough on gangs, patches, assorting, consulting, aggravating factors are illegal guns.

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Speaker 18: That's what we're going after. That's what the police have

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Speaker 18: new powers to deal with from the end of the month.

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Speaker 3: Fully responsible for that violence.

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Speaker 18: For those we're incredibly challenging, really unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: Get it.

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Speaker 17: I can't imagine for the life of me that if

595
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Speaker 17: the police knew there was a three year old unattended

596
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Speaker 17: in one of those houses they raised, that they wouldn't

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Speaker 17: have sent somebody in for that child.

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Speaker 3: How long are they supposed to have left the child?

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Speaker 17: Several hours? I do not, simply do not believe it,

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Speaker 17: But no doubt the story will unfold as a result

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Speaker 17: of that exchange. Its press contract just sort of interest.

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Speaker 3: Who was that having a crack at the pen?

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Speaker 17: I think I don't know, Okay, I think it was

604
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Speaker 17: somebody from one of the Maori challenge Interesting.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool? Cool? Now what do you make of Chris

606
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Speaker 3: Luxon calling voters customers?

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Speaker 17: Oh? Honestly, He was asked whether he would do anything

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Speaker 17: differently a year on from his first term, and he

609
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Speaker 17: said that he maybe would say that maybe they haven't

610
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Speaker 17: moved fast enough in some areas, but he said he's

611
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Speaker 17: made mistakes and he could have expressed himself better. Luxman

612
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Speaker 17: was pulled up for the way he talks on in

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Speaker 17: the interview with Radio New Zealand that got him into

614
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Speaker 17: trouble with the Wokesters have a listen.

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Speaker 18: It's been a belief system of mine. If you don't

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Speaker 18: talk to the customer, to the to the public, to

617
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Speaker 18: the people, the voters and actual you find out what

618
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Speaker 18: they're concerned are. If you lose touch with the people,

619
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Speaker 18: you actually don't have a sense or a feel of

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Speaker 18: what they need you to deliver for them. I'm the

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Speaker 18: fastest person to get from entering politics to being Prime Minister.

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Speaker 18: It means that I come with a different set of skills,

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Speaker 18: and it means that I'm also not going to be

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Speaker 18: perfect in my answers, and I yes, I need to

625
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Speaker 18: work harder on less corporate speak.

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Speaker 17: It doesn't worry me in the slightest that he sees

627
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Speaker 17: voters as customers. We are customers. I mean we're we

628
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Speaker 17: should be treated like customers, and the customer is never wrong,

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Speaker 17: of course, but you know, we should be seen as

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Speaker 17: people who are expecting something out of a government, and

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Speaker 17: that is a customer. It might be a voter as well,

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Speaker 17: but who cares about the terminology.

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Speaker 3: Also, I think he needs to stop apologizing for the corporate.

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Speaker 17: Corporate st to apologize that.

635
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Speaker 3: Is who he authentically is. And this is his problem,

636
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Speaker 3: is that he's trying to kind of shad the real

637
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Speaker 3: Chrysluxin to create. I think maybe what he thinks the

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Speaker 3: customer wants, but actually the customer already voted for that prisluction,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 17: So he's delivering for customer.

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Speaker 3: He needs to stick with the corporate speak. That's the

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Speaker 3: one thing he's actually good at.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 17: I agree, I don't disagree with it at all.

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Speaker 3: Now, what do you make of this case? It's been

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Speaker 3: dropped that the free speech was alluded us to.

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Speaker 17: You've got all the free speech union, Jonathan Ailing, he's

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Speaker 17: the chief executive. He said he was proud for the

649
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Speaker 17: union to have managed this case. In March this year,

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Speaker 17: a chap called Paul Burns spent Sunday, as he regularly does,

651
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Speaker 17: on Lampton Key encouraging public debate on his anti abortion stance. Well,

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Speaker 17: he had one hundred dollar bills posted to one of

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Speaker 17: his play cards. When he was approached by some young

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Speaker 17: people willing to engage in the debate. One of them

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Speaker 17: said that abortion was just, but the.

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Speaker 3: One hundred dollar bills irrelevant because he's offering one hundred

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Speaker 3: dollars to someone who can argue against him. Yes, that

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Speaker 3: his abortion stance.

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Speaker 17: Is wrong, Yes, that's wrong, so that's right. So this

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Speaker 17: young group of young people came along and he turned

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Speaker 17: the argument around and he said that they said that

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Speaker 17: they were anti abortion, and he said, because the world

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Speaker 17: was overpopulated.

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Speaker 3: Was okay, because we sorry, so the.

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Speaker 17: World was overpopulated and anyway, he turned it around and

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Speaker 17: apparently this got him arrested. He said, why don't you

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Speaker 17: go out and kill yourself? And it was probably going

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Speaker 17: a bit overboard, but the police arrested him initially on

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Speaker 17: a Philly minor charge of using offensive language. They upgraded

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Speaker 17: it to disorderly behavior and then moved on to a

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Speaker 17: more aggravated form of disorderly behavior. Today they withdrew the

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Speaker 17: case in court, and I think good on them, because

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Speaker 17: that's what should have been done, and speaking of free speech, header,

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Speaker 17: could any woman vote for this man? Never listened to

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Speaker 17: another outburst from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Donald Palmer was all man.

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Speaker 13: And I say that in all due respect to women,

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Speaker 13: and I love women. But this guy, this guy, this

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Speaker 13: is a guy that was old man. His man was

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Speaker 13: strong and tough. And they refused to say it. But

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Speaker 13: when he took showers with the other pros, they came

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Speaker 13: out of there they said, oh my god, that's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I had to say it was he talking about his willing. Well,

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Speaker 3: of course, let us go, Mary.

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Speaker 17: It wants women to vote for him.

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Speaker 3: He's winning seven away from five.

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Speaker 19: All the big names are wrong, the breakfast, The police

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Speaker 19: are changing the way they do mental health call outs.

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Speaker 19: You can see the angst by way of media coverage

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Speaker 19: and listen the ensuing weeks, can't you. It's not your fault.

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Speaker 19: But I see this as a mind field. I see

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Speaker 19: any number of n g O s and people want

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Speaker 19: them to stir trouble politically, bringing any number of newsrooms going.

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Speaker 19: And I left them there and they did this, and

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Speaker 19: the police were nowhere to be seen, et cetera. And

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Speaker 19: that's and that's that's for you to deal with isn't.

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Speaker 8: It well, police will still go to anyone that's risker

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Speaker 8: harming themselves.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the Rain Driver of the Lawn News Talk zb Hey.

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Speaker 3: So, Hannah and Brian Tarmiki are in court today for breaches,

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Speaker 3: alleged breaches of the lockdowns that were happening in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one. We're going to talk to Aman. You will

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Speaker 3: get into this. We'll get into this. We'll have a

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Speaker 3: chat to Steve Cullen, the lawyer about that, because that's

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Speaker 3: an interesting little blast from the past, isn't it? Not

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Speaker 3: one that you necessarily want? And this is an interesting

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Speaker 3: thing that popped up on One News last night. So

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Speaker 3: it turns out that recently the coppers busted eleven Vietnamese

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Speaker 3: for marijuana production. So like they were doing it was

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Speaker 3: a fair amount. It wasn't just like it wasn't just

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Speaker 3: your average like tiny little tinnea house in the back

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Speaker 3: of Turcow type job, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like it was it was a serious thing. They had

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Speaker 3: eighteen million dollars worth of marijuana in their rented houses

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Speaker 3: and so you're thinking, oh jeez, that's going to clog

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Speaker 3: up the courts. No, no, nobody got prosecuted. Nobody got charged.

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Speaker 3: Check them on a plane, sent them back to Vietnam. Now,

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Speaker 3: at first my first reaction was are you a fair

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Speaker 3: enough because we don't really have the money to be

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Speaker 3: spending locking these guys up. But then I was okay,

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Speaker 3: what did they go back? And then they tell all

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Speaker 3: their mates, oh, man, go to New Zealand. You can

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Speaker 3: make tons of money until they bust you. Then they

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Speaker 3: just send you home, give you a free ticke at home.

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Speaker 3: That's probably not a good idea. We'll talk to Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 3: the Police Minister, about that after half past five. But

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Speaker 3: next up Henry Olsen, the polster, on Who's going to win?

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Speaker 3: News Talk to z'b.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Clan drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We've got another twist in the US election,

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Speaker 3: which is now only two days away. A poll and

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Speaker 3: ioware considered a safe Trump state, now has Carmla Harrison

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Speaker 3: the lead by three points. Now Donald Trump has disputed

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Speaker 3: the poll in a post on social media, saying polster

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Speaker 3: Jay Anne Seltzer as a Trump hater and that Iowas

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Speaker 3: farmers love him. Henry Olsen is an American polster who's

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Speaker 3: been on the show many many times before. Welcome back here,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me back now, Henry, is this

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Speaker 3: a rogue poll or do you reckon? It's on the money.

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Speaker 20: She has a great reputation, so it's hard to say

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Speaker 20: it's a rogue pole. But it's so far out of

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Speaker 20: mainstream of where I has been over the last decade

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Speaker 20: that I have to think that she's got one of

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Speaker 20: those samples that bolsters say you get one out of

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Speaker 20: every twenty times. I can see Trump doing a little worse,

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Speaker 20: but it's hard to see Trump losing a state that

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Speaker 20: he carried by eight points in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The weird thing about the selection is it feels like

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Speaker 3: Kamala's in the lead this week. Trump was in the

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Speaker 3: lead last week. A couple of weeks before that, Kamala

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Speaker 3: was in the lead. Have you ever seen a race

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Speaker 3: change the lead this much?

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Speaker 20: Not really, And I've never seen a race that's been

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Speaker 20: fifty to fifty like this. You've seen races that have

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Speaker 20: a convergence, like carold Ford and Carter where it moved

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Speaker 20: to fifty to fifty. You have a race like Reagan

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Speaker 20: and Carter in nineteen eighty where it starts at fifty

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Speaker 20: to fifty and then it breaks the idea that it's

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Speaker 20: just been neck and neck, like horses running nose to

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Speaker 20: nose for half of the race that I've never seen

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Speaker 20: anything like that in the presidential campaign.

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Speaker 3: Who do you reckon is at the moment showing the

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Speaker 3: greatest signs of strength? I mean because at the moment

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Speaker 3: you've got a lot of women turning up, giving the

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Speaker 3: Democrats hope. But then you've also got a lot of

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Speaker 3: Republicans voting early, which is unusual, giving the Republicans vote hope.

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Speaker 3: So what are you reading here?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think there's signs for both candidates. It's very

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Speaker 20: hard to call this race. But you take a look

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Speaker 20: at the data on the early voting, and they slightly

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Speaker 20: favor the Republicans. That women are voting but not as

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Speaker 20: great a rate, more than in the past, and whereas

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Speaker 20: Republicans are voting at a greater rate than in the past.

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Speaker 20: And we'll find out if those are new Republicans, or

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Speaker 20: if those are just election day Republicans who have moved

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Speaker 20: up the timing of their ballots.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, then explain something to me, Henry, because I

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Speaker 3: thought the Republicans were getting really nervous, which is why

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Speaker 3: Trump was starting to behave increasingly weird because I just

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Speaker 3: assumed he was worried and desperate. If he's not worried

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Speaker 3: and desperate, why is he behaving like this?

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Speaker 20: Well, I think because he's Donald Trump, you know.

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Speaker 11: I think.

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Speaker 20: I think he is older. I think he's wearing down

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Speaker 20: a bit. I think it's difficult for him to keep

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Speaker 20: up the physical pace that he's been going on to

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Speaker 20: three rallies a day across the country, and tired people

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Speaker 20: make mistakes. Joe Biden when he was tired, would have

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Speaker 20: more gaffs, and I suspect for Donald Trump when he's tired,

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Speaker 20: he lashes out more.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what does your gut say if you can't,

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Speaker 3: if you can't actually call it based on what you're saying,

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Speaker 3: who do you think wins?

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Speaker 20: Well, my actual prediction is going to be posted in

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Speaker 20: the New York Post Monday morning, and I'm calling a

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Speaker 20: very narrow victory for Trump. In the electoral college. Why,

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Speaker 20: I think that when I look at the polling averages,

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Speaker 20: Harris is not winning the degree of independence that she needs,

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Speaker 20: and that the country has changed. It's moved slightly to

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Speaker 20: the right in the last couple of years, and that's

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Speaker 20: reflected in the polling. This might be the first election

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Speaker 20: in twenty years where the Democrats don't have a partisan

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Speaker 20: edge on election day, and when you put those two

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Speaker 20: factors together, it suggests a narrow but wide breath victory

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Speaker 20: for Trump in the electoral college.

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Speaker 3: Henry, it's really good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for having a chat to us. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you again soon. Henry Olsen, American Polster.

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Speaker 1: Eaver due for see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: All right, So, Disney Church leaders Brian and Hannah Tommackie

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Speaker 3: have been in court today for allegedly breaking the big

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Speaker 3: Auckland lockdown of twenty twenty one. Now, if you cast

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Speaker 3: your mind back, you'll remember the Tamicky's held those protests

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Speaker 3: in the Auckland domain in October and November of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one. When the biggest city in the country is

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Speaker 3: supposed to be under lockdown. There there are a couple

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Speaker 3: of other defendants also facing charges. Steve Cullen is a

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Speaker 3: criminal lawyer with us. Now, hey, Steve, Oh, Steve is

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Speaker 3: worth our time and our money to be pursuing something

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Speaker 3: three years later when there aren't lockdowns anymore.

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Speaker 22: Well, I hear on that we're a bit between a

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Speaker 22: rock and a hard place, because if delay meant that

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Speaker 22: charges weren't pursued, then of course everybody would delay.

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Speaker 6: And we do have cases of.

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Speaker 4: Historical fraud and historical sets.

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Speaker 22: But this listit of generous guidelines would be applied to this,

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Speaker 22: One would think that have to have a good close

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Speaker 22: look at it and assess whether it's viable to carry

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Speaker 22: on or not. I don't really want to comment any

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Speaker 22: more than that.

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Speaker 3: No, I take your point at the point I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to make, because the difference between this and any standard

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Speaker 3: delay is that if you rape somebody and then try

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Speaker 3: to delay it, a rape is still a rape is

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Speaker 3: still going to be a crime many many years later.

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Speaker 3: But at the moment it's a bit different with us,

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Speaker 3: isn't it, Because we're not doing the lockdowns anymore, are we.

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Speaker 6: That's right, And I would think they're taking a look

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Speaker 6: out the gravity of the situation now with hindsight, but

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Speaker 6: I suppose they can't. They have to deal with it

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Speaker 6: on the basis of the out was viewed at the time,

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Speaker 6: and to take a really strict approach. If you take

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Speaker 6: somebody flouting public orders when it's in the interests of

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Speaker 6: the nation and then the interests of health, that's got

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Speaker 6: to be viewed seriously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can know what's the argument because there's no

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Speaker 3: disputing that they were there. We saw them with our

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Speaker 3: own eyes. So why are they fighting this.

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Speaker 6: Well, one would think they're very competent and experience counsel

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Speaker 6: there With mister Manti or Casey, one would think he's

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Speaker 6: either got a very good legal or technical point. You

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Speaker 6: could be arguing under the Bill of Right Seck that

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Speaker 6: they had freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, or he

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Speaker 6: made and be trying to say that there's some challenge

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Speaker 6: to the legislation that excluded people from forming public gathering.

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Speaker 6: So we'll all be watching the brief to see what

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Speaker 6: the argument is and see how well it progresses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. It's gonna be fascinating. Hey,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Steve, Steve Cullen criminal lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Together do to see Ellenhither I bet.

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Speaker 3: You a chocolate fish that Carmela wins based on nothing

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Speaker 3: other than a feeling in me bones. Honestly, Paul, that's

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Speaker 3: probably about as reliable as everything else at the moment,

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Speaker 3: feelings in ye bones. I'll take you up on that

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Speaker 3: chocolate fish. I still think Trump will and that's based

871
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Speaker 3: on a feeling in me bones. But also just a

872
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Speaker 3: close look at some of those swings state Pole I said, Look,

873
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Speaker 3: I go back to the same argument. Every single time

874
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Speaker 3: she is not ahead in enough of the swing states

875
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Speaker 3: by enough of a margin. He's leading her in some

876
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Speaker 3: of them. And then if he's behind her, he's just

877
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Speaker 3: behind her. And he always overperforms. So if he overperforms,

878
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Speaker 3: like he always does, he takes it. It feels like

879
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Speaker 3: a slam dunk to me. But then again, we'll see

880
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Speaker 3: what happens, because even the people who actually do this

881
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Speaker 3: for a living don't want to call it on the

882
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: call of it at the moment. Anyway, listen on this

883
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: stuff that Barry Soaper was just talking about. So we've

884
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Speaker 3: got a little bit more detail on what's happened here.

885
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Speaker 3: This is where the cops were raiding gang houses, but

886
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Speaker 3: specifically the gang houses in a Porticki. And what the

887
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Speaker 3: allegation is is that while the cops were doing the

888
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Speaker 3: gang gang the raiding of the gang houses, there were

889
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Speaker 3: children involved, some as young as three, So it sounds

890
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Speaker 3: like three and up and wider family were trying to

891
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Speaker 3: be able to get to the kids and get the kids.

892
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know sounds of the kids in

893
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Speaker 3: the house, although that's a question I would like to

894
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Speaker 3: have answered, But the family were trying to get who

895
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Speaker 3: the kids to look after them while these gang were

896
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Speaker 3: at these police raids were going on for hours at

897
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Speaker 3: any end, and the police would not not allow that

898
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Speaker 3: to happen. So the question is were the kids as

899
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Speaker 3: young as three? Make Mitchell's going to be on the

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Speaker 3: program with us in about maybe twenty minutes time, we're

901
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Speaker 3: going to ask him about this. Were the kids in

902
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Speaker 3: the house? Were they as young as three? Were family

903
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Speaker 3: trying to get a hold of them? Did this go

904
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Speaker 3: on for hours? And we'll see if we can get

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Speaker 1: Heather do for see allen Hea.

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Speaker 3: The lockdowns were never in the public God actually, I'm

926
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Speaker 3: going to deal with the lockdowns and the tarmaquis And

927
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Speaker 3: just to tack it's nineteen past five now the governments

928
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Speaker 3: announced it's going to try to get kids a little

929
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Speaker 3: bit of help with some of those maths issues. So

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Speaker 3: from next year there's going to be a trial of

931
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Speaker 3: maths tuition two thousand, Year seven and year eight students

932
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Speaker 3: will be part of this program. It will be intensive.

933
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Speaker 3: The kids will get thirty minutes extra tuition up to

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Speaker 3: four days a week in the Education Minister's Erica Stanford, Hey, Erica, Hello,

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Speaker 3: how are you? I'm very well, thank you. So what

936
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Speaker 3: is this? Is this the kids sitting in a classroom

937
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Speaker 3: learning from a teacher dedicated thirty minutes.

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Speaker 23: A day something like that. We know that all of

939
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Speaker 23: the international evidence tells us that if you are really

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Speaker 23: far behind, especially in mathematics, one of the best interventions

941
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Speaker 23: you can do is intensive tutoring in small groups to

942
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Speaker 23: get up to where you need to be. Because a

943
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Speaker 23: lot of our students have missed big chunks of their

944
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Speaker 23: learning and mathematics, and we are particularly targeting those in

945
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Speaker 23: year seven and eight who are not going to see

946
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Speaker 23: all of the benefits of our amazing new curriculum and

947
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Speaker 23: all of our new materials, and they're going to go

948
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Speaker 23: off into high school and you know, not be where

949
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Speaker 23: they need to be. So we've had reading interventions in

950
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Speaker 23: the past, we've never had one for maths, and my

951
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Speaker 23: intention is that we put this trial up, see what

952
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Speaker 23: it does, and then roll it out.

953
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Speaker 3: Yeah okay, see it's only for two thousand this time around,

954
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Speaker 3: but how many thousands of actually need it? Do you think?

955
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Speaker 23: Oh, there'll be many thousands of kids that need it.

956
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Speaker 23: I just want to make sure we're doing the right thing.

957
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Speaker 23: We have done some trials in the past or that

958
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Speaker 23: the previous government have as well around tutoring, and we

959
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Speaker 23: learned some lessons there. But this is going to be

960
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Speaker 23: a high bred model where we have some young people

961
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Speaker 23: learning groups of Ford just with a tutor by themselves

962
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Speaker 23: four times a week half an hour. And then we'll

963
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Speaker 23: have a highbred model where we've got that happening plus

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Speaker 23: some online learning using a maths program as well. And

965
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Speaker 23: so we've got a few different things running. We're going

966
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Speaker 23: to see which one after twelve weeks works the best,

967
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Speaker 23: which is the best intervention, and then we will lock

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Speaker 23: to roll that out.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Erica. We spoke at the very start of the

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Speaker 3: program to a couple of principles from Halock, North Europe,

971
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Speaker 3: said about the bus being cut for the schools coming

972
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Speaker 3: in from Clive which is about ten or fifteen minutes away.

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Speaker 3: Is this just a cost saving thing by the Ministry

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Speaker 3: of Education.

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Speaker 23: Well, it's not cost saving at all. Any eligible child

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Speaker 23: who is eligible for a school bus will get it.

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Speaker 23: The issue that we've got is we have rules in

978
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Speaker 23: place and are for ineligible students. The Ministry does reviews constantly.

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Speaker 23: They do them every single year to see as children

980
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Speaker 23: move in and out of different areas and different schools

981
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Speaker 23: are used eligible for school transport and if you're not,

982
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Speaker 23: then the route will change. So it's going I think

983
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Speaker 23: in that particular case there is a public bus that

984
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Speaker 23: is available, then it becomes so we are the Ministry

985
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Speaker 23: are the provider of last resort when there is nothing

986
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Speaker 23: else of a But if there is a public bus,

987
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Speaker 23: it is then on the Council to make sure that

988
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Speaker 23: that route is on time and then picking up the

989
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Speaker 23: right kids from the right place. That is up to them.

990
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Speaker 23: But look, I acknowledge that there are some probably some

991
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Speaker 23: things we can do much better. It's called transport. In

992
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Speaker 23: March or February March this year, I have tasked the

993
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Speaker 23: Ministry with some work to go away and have a

994
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Speaker 23: look at how we can do better.

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Speaker 3: Cool Erica thank you so much appreciated. Erica Stanford, Education Minister,

996
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Speaker 3: five twenty two.

997
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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

998
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Speaker 2: Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

999
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Speaker 2: use dogs.

1000
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Speaker 1: That'd be whether I hope.

1001
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: Jan Toinetti is listening to an interview with Erica Stanford.

1002
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Speaker 3: She couldn't do in several years what Erica Stanford has

1003
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Speaker 3: done in one year. That's because she didn't treat us

1004
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: like customers. But Erica is twenty five past five. Now listen.

1005
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm not going to advocate for the charges against Brian

1006
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Speaker 3: and this is tummicky to be dropped because ah, I

1007
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Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know enough about the case to

1008
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: know if that's the right thing to advocate for. And

1009
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 3: you know, they've got to answer for what they did.

1010
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: I suppose that's how the system works. But I feel

1011
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: like pointing out that this is mildly ridiculous, isn't it.

1012
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: It feels mildly ridiculous for us to be prosecuting the

1013
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: Tarmaquis right now for breaking the lockdowns that happened three

1014
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: years ago, when right now we don't have any lockdowns anymore.

1015
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: It feels kind of like we're punishing a crime that

1016
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: actually isn't a crime anymore. I mean, why do we

1017
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: prosecute people, Why do we put them through the courts,

1018
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: Why do we chuck them in jail? We do that

1019
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: because a we want to punish them for doing something

1020
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: that hurts somebody else. But these guys, actually them breaking

1021
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: that big Auckland lockdown in twenty twenty one didn't actually

1022
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: hurt anyone, did it? Because by October when they held

1023
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: their first rally at the Auckland domain, we were getting

1024
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 3: thirty plus cases a day. I mean, the lockdown had

1025
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: completely failed already by that stage. They weren't doing anything

1026
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 3: to really make the situation much much worse. Also, the

1027
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 3: other reason that we prosecute people is because we want

1028
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: to dissuade others from doing the same thing. We're like,

1029
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: we're checking these people in jail, so you look at that.

1030
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: Don't you do that either? Well, no one else is

1031
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: going to do the same thing, are they. There aren't

1032
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: any lockdowns anymore, and there probably won't be any lockdowns

1033
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Speaker 3: in our lifetime ever. Again, So what's the point? I

1034
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Speaker 3: can't I'm just not angry at the Timikies I'm not

1035
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Speaker 3: angry at the turmakeyes for what they did, because I

1036
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: think that in retrospect we can now see that that

1037
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: lockdown in Auckland in the latter end part of twenty

1038
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: twenty one was actually pointless. It did not save the

1039
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Speaker 3: lives that we were told it would save. Remember how

1040
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: we locked down Auckland to buy the rest of the

1041
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: country time to get vaccinated to save lives. Well, according

1042
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Speaker 3: to the latest numbers that I've seen from our world

1043
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: and data, we are so close to the global average

1044
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: of confirmed COVID deaths it hardly even warrants debate. Doesn't

1045
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: look like we saved any lives at all at all

1046
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 3: with that lockdown in Auckland. So I don't know what

1047
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: we're going to get from slapping these two with if

1048
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: that's what it comes to the maximum punishment of up

1049
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: to six months in jail and four thousand dollars in fines,

1050
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Speaker 3: other than I suppose just making their disaffected supporters angry

1051
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: all over again. This court case feels like nothing to

1052
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 3: me but a reminder of a time that I would

1053
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Speaker 3: frankly rather forget.

1054
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Speaker 1: Heather duplessy Ellen.

1055
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Speaker 3: Now I enjoyed the hacker at the weekend only because

1056
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Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoyed the reaction from the English, but I

1057
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: just want to point something out to Kay. So they

1058
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: reacted by walking up to the halfway line the English,

1059
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Speaker 3: which is within the rules. We the All Blacks reacted

1060
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Speaker 3: by walking up to the ten meter line, which is allowed,

1061
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Speaker 3: and then we walked across the ten meter line, which

1062
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Speaker 3: is not allowed. Now that's breaking the rules set by

1063
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Speaker 3: World Rugby for what you can do. In the Hacker,

1064
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Speaker 3: last time that happened was twenty nineteen when the English,

1065
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Speaker 3: I think, walked across their line and they got slapped

1066
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Speaker 3: with a two thousand pound fine. So I'm looking forward

1067
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Speaker 3: to seeing the All Blacks slapped with a fine for

1068
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: breaking the rules. You think that's going to happen, No,

1069
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: because everybody treats us special, don't they headlines.

1070
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Speaker 2: Next, the day's newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather dupic

1071
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Speaker 2: allan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and

1072
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Speaker 2: news talk.

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Speaker 1: The'd be.

1074
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Speaker 3: Heather, Yes, definitely, do the Tarmiques as hard as we can.

1075
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Speaker 3: There's not a more deserving couple than the Tarmarque, says,

1076
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: so people just don't like them. That's why you want

1077
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: to just chuck them in jail and do all these

1078
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: things right. That's from Simon, Thank you Simon. This is

1079
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Speaker 3: going to rip the undies of the Parliamentary Select Committee

1080
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: that's trying to hold the big bank's feet to the fire. A.

1081
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: Westpac has just reported a ten percent increase in the

1082
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: after tax profit, so they've cracked a billion dollars last

1083
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: year it was just nine hundred and sixty three. Now

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Speaker 3: it's way over a billion. Anyway, Luckily for the Select Committee,

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Speaker 3: they're not going to have to wait too long to

1086
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: have a real crack at the CEO of Westpac because

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Speaker 3: Catherine McGrath is going to appear before them in about

1088
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Speaker 3: two weeks time, so stand by for that anyway. Nikola

1089
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: Willis is with us after six and she obviously it's

1090
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: been going quite hard on the banks. We'll have a

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Speaker 3: chat to her about that very shortly. Huddle standing by

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Speaker 3: right now. It's twenty four away from six.

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Speaker 1: Ever, Duel, you're the weird one for you.

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Speaker 3: So it's been revealed that police busted at some stage

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Speaker 3: eleven Vietnamese immigrants who are growing pot and rented homes

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00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: in Auckland and in quite a lot of marijuana. By

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00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: the way, I had eighteen million dollars worth. But instead

1098
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: of chucking these guys through the courts like we're doing

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Speaker 3: to the tarmarquees, they just popped them on a plane

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Speaker 3: back to Vietnam and said Tatar police Minister Mark Mitchell

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00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 3: is with us now on.

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Speaker 11: This Hey match, hi here, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you. Why didn't we put them in

1104
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 3: this lanner?

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00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 11: Well?

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00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 24: I think that, yes, they were part of a cannabis operation,

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Speaker 24: but I don't think the police felt like they were

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00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 24: sort of the head.

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00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 11: Of the operation at all, and in the.

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00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 24: Fact of the matter, as they were here illegally, and

1111
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 24: so that obviously, between police and immigration they felt the

1112
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 24: best thing was to do and they have discretion, was

1113
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Speaker 24: to send them straight back to Vietnam, which I fully support.

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00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 11: Actually, but isn't the.

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00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: Problem here that it's going to encourage others to just

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00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: do the same thing.

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00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 11: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 24: I think it sends a pretty clear message that we're

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00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 24: not going to tolerate people coming here living here illegally,

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Speaker 24: We're not going to be taxpayers, are not going to

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Speaker 24: fund them or support them, and we'll send them straight

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00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 24: back to the country.

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Speaker 11: They've come from.

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Speaker 3: But Mitch, I mean, if I was sitting over there

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Speaker 3: and if this was my line of business, I think, jeez,

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Speaker 3: that's that's a pretty sweet deal right there. I can

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Speaker 3: go over to New zealand grow some pot, make heaps

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Speaker 3: of money, and then the worst thing that's possibly going

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00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: to happen to me is that they send me home.

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00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: That's not that bad.

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Speaker 24: Well, I think to put some contexts around and again

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00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 24: I can't talk too much into it because its an

1133
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Speaker 24: ongoing investigation. And I don't think that these guys. These

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 24: guys were what's called foot soldiers. They went the ones

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Speaker 24: at the head of it. The police have got an

1136
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Speaker 24: on well, I don't know, because often they used the

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Speaker 24: slave labor some of these people as well.

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Speaker 11: But the reality is this is that they are illegal here.

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Speaker 24: Illegally they were going to be a big cost to

1140
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 24: the text power. The police and immigration work together. They

1141
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 24: have discretion around this. They felt that the best thing

1142
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Speaker 24: to do for us as the country has put them

1143
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Speaker 24: on a plane straight back to Vietnam. Vietnam, and sure,

1144
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 24: I'm sure that they will be in contact with the

1145
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Speaker 24: officials there to let them know why they're being returned.

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00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 11: In the circumstances.

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Speaker 3: Is this a one off specific to these guys rather

1148
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: than a new blanket policy, which is if you're not

1149
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: from here and we catch you doing something like us,

1150
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: we've seen you home.

1151
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 11: No, it's not.

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Speaker 24: Every situation is different and police retain the discretion in

1153
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 24: terms of how they deal with it.

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Speaker 11: I mean, obviously, cannabis is a legal in this country.

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Speaker 24: It's the police's job to enforce the law, but police

1156
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Speaker 24: will exercise discretion as to whether or not to prosecute.

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Speaker 3: Listen, what is the story with this three year old

1158
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: caught up in the gang raids in a Portokey? Was

1159
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: this three year old unattended for hours?

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00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 11: Look, I don't know.

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Speaker 24: I've only just heard about that myself today, but I

1162
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 24: can tell you that I was over at the Podokey

1163
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 24: just a few days ago meeting with the EUE and

1164
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 24: there was a couple of anecdotal stories that were floating

1165
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 24: around that related to children that were proved not to

1166
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Speaker 24: be accurate. My own experience is that the police are outstanding.

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00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 24: They're specially sense of around dealing with kids. A lot

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Speaker 24: of police officers are parents themselves, and the police have

1169
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Speaker 24: done an outstanding job with the work they've done over

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Speaker 24: on the East coast, the people of a podo Key,

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00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 24: the community, I feel like they've got some breathing space

1172
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Speaker 24: now in a chance to reset.

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Speaker 11: I'm very proud of the week that has been done.

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Speaker 24: There's been a lot of a motive language and accusations

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Speaker 24: made out there, none of it verified and certainly the

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Speaker 24: meeting that I had with the EWE and a Podogu

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Speaker 24: was very positive.

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, so if you don't know, do you

1179
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Speaker 3: genuinely not know anything about this? Cops haven't told you anything?

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Speaker 24: Well, yes, So the information I have from the police

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Speaker 24: is that no, there's no no three year olds left

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Speaker 24: in the that have to come forward with the details

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Speaker 24: on it.

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Speaker 11: Because the information.

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Speaker 3: That I have, the cops are disputing this. They say,

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00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 3: no three year old was caught up in this.

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Speaker 24: Well, yes, there's no evidence, there is no. One of

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Speaker 24: the examples that was given to me when I was

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Speaker 24: when I met with the EWI is that there were

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Speaker 24: three children that were left in a school that turned

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Speaker 24: out that was not and both parents were arrested.

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Speaker 11: It turns out that that was not the case at all.

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00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 11: So these these cases are sort of.

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Speaker 24: Brought for the very emotive and my experience, like I

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Speaker 24: said to you, a lot of the police officers out

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Speaker 24: doing this work and doing outstanding appearance themselves and they'll

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Speaker 24: make sure that they look after and q for children.

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Speaker 24: So I just think that it's it's very emotive. If

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Speaker 24: someone can come through, come forward with clear evidence that

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Speaker 24: this has happened, then of course it needs to be

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Speaker 24: looked at next and taken. But to this point, no

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Speaker 24: one has come forward with any clear evidence of anything

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Speaker 24: in terms of the police other than the have done

1204
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Speaker 24: an outstanding job.

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Speaker 3: Mitch, Thank you, appreciate you having a chat to us

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Speaker 3: about It's Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister. Nineteen away from.

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Speaker 3: pr with us on the huddle. Hello you too. Hello,

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Speaker 3: all right, Josie, this is your last call before the

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Speaker 3: US election. Who wins?

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Speaker 25: Oh that's not fair, Heather, No one in the world does.

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Speaker 3: Who's going to win?

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Speaker 25: And you're asking me what I mean? It is so

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00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 25: close and even with the Iowa poll and I heard

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00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 25: you talking about that. I mean, it could be a

1218
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 25: one off pole. Who knows that. The thing that makes

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00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 25: me think about the Iowa poll though, which would give

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Speaker 25: a slight advantage to Kamala Harris and the Democrats. Seltzer

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Speaker 25: whose pole this is, she's very well respected. She's a

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Speaker 25: Republican polster, an anti Trumper, but a Republican. She had

1223
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Speaker 25: predicted twenty sixteen when no one else did, including me.

1224
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 25: I was on live TV with all my notes about

1225
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 25: why Hillary won, and you were with me.

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Speaker 3: I was with you, and I was telling you Trump's

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Speaker 3: one and you were saying, no, we weren't right.

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Speaker 25: You are the Seltzer of New Zealand. So what makes

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00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 25: me think that there's something in this is that her

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00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 25: polling has been so spot on for years and years

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Speaker 25: and years because she takes the evidence. She's really good polster.

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Speaker 25: So you know, three percent advantage in Iowa, which is

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Speaker 25: a Trump state for Harris, Now that's so significant.

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Speaker 3: That is the case.

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Speaker 25: If she's winning in a Trump state that we weren't

1236
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 25: even looking at, not one of the swing states, then

1237
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 25: she's winning everywhere. The state I'll be looking for on

1238
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 25: the night, though, will be Georgia, where my family live

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Speaker 25: and they've all voted early voting. Possibly one of the

1240
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Speaker 25: first results that we'll get in meant to go Trump

1241
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 25: went Democrat last time, which was a real shocker. If

1242
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 25: it doesn't go Trump, or even if Trump wins it

1243
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 25: by only a little bit, that'll be a sign, like Iowa,

1244
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 25: that Trump's in trouble.

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00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you reckon, Trish?

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00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 26: Well, I just I'm going to make prediction, but I

1247
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 26: just hope that I'm wrong.

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Speaker 27: I will only have.

1249
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Speaker 26: To eat my hat and not the dogs and the cats.

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Speaker 26: So I, like Josie, I am going to pick Harris.

1251
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 26: If this was on the popular vote, you know, I

1252
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 26: think you would have to call Harris at this point.

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Speaker 26: And it's the weirdness of the system, isn't it with

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00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 26: the electoral colleges that Trump has not ever won the

1255
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 26: popular vote, So the biggest loser could become once again

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Speaker 26: the biggest winner.

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Speaker 27: Here's why I'm thinking that that it's Harris.

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Speaker 26: I think that it's you have to look at who

1259
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 26: each campaign has focused on driving out. She is counting

1260
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Speaker 26: on you, young woman who do vote. He's counting on

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00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 26: the young men or the bros. And then they don't

1262
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 26: traditionally turn out to vote. I think there's been a

1263
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 26: vibe change related to gender and voter turnout, even over

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00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 26: the weekend as the campaigns have started to see the

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Speaker 26: early data coming in. And just to that point, you know,

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Speaker 26: I think this election has shown the old school marchro

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 26: side of the US, which has been a bit ugly.

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Speaker 26: They think they need a tough guy in the job,

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Speaker 26: and look at his Arnold Palmer, you know, Dick Dixon

1270
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 26: of comments. But in these final days and weeks, I

1271
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 26: think his language may have pushed people over the edge.

1272
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 26: It may have pushed Republicans who thought they couldn't vote

1273
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 26: Democrat across the line because he's too unreliable, racist, chaotic, misogynistic,

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Speaker 26: I mean, you name the adjective. So my picks to watch,

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Speaker 26: you've got to watch that blue triangle Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 26: Nineteen eighty eight was the last time they didn't vote together,

1277
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 26: and if one of them breaks this time, I think

1278
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 26: that will that will signify who's going to win.

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Speaker 25: We may not get a result, or in fact, we

1280
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 25: won't get a result on the night, and so I

1281
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 25: think that's why we're looking at the ones that the

1282
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 25: results that come in early and then reading the tea

1283
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Speaker 25: leafs on those.

1284
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Speaker 3: But you're right, Trish.

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Speaker 25: I mean that whoever's going to win will be who

1286
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 25: gets the voters to turn out. And traditionally Democrats have

1287
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 25: had a really good turnout machine. They get their voters out,

1288
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 25: they know how to do it. Elon must consend rockets

1289
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 25: to Mars. I'm not sure he can get missus Jones

1290
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 25: from High Street out to vote. It's just not his mojo.

1291
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 25: And I think the second reason, if whoever wins, we'll

1292
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 25: look at it will go. Whoever working class people in

1293
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 25: America voted for will win. There's still the majority of

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00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 25: voters that's not just race. I mean that's that's white, black, Hispanic.

1295
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 25: They're still the majority voters and they have been swinging

1296
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 25: to Trump. So I think it will It'll depend and

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Speaker 25: those swing states that you just mentioned, Trish, they are

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Speaker 25: majority voters, eligible voters, and turnout. They are majority working

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Speaker 25: class voters. So whoever's got the economy message through to people,

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Speaker 25: through to the working class voters, they win.

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Speaker 3: America will win. Yeah, all right, we'll take a break,

1302
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Speaker 3: come back and just take quarter two.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International realty, elevate the

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Speaker 2: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with Josie and Trish. Trish, what do

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: you think about Brian and a Hannatomiki getting prosecuted right now?

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Speaker 26: Well, I'm with you on this about do we care

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 26: in now in twenty twenty four. What I am more

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00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 26: concerned about is that it now takes more than three

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Speaker 26: years to get these kinds of things to the court.

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Speaker 27: And that's you know, that is just another signal.

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Speaker 25: Of our jam dates to make a road.

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Speaker 27: How champed up the system is exactly.

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Speaker 26: Look, you know the Tamachees, they love this, They love

1315
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 26: a martyr's platform, so they getting it. I try to

1316
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 26: pay zero attention to the Tarmaques Like the Lord, they

1317
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 26: tend to move in mysterious ways.

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Speaker 27: But I do, I do, I do.

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Speaker 26: Like you, I still have a lot of PTSD around

1320
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Speaker 26: that Auckland lockdown. I think you know, I probably droned

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Speaker 26: on about it ad nausey and when I was locked

1322
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Speaker 26: in this very room and talking to you throughout that time.

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Speaker 26: It was a shocking act of political vandalism in my view,

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Speaker 26: to keep Auckland lockdown.

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Speaker 27: And you know, this is just a bad reminder of.

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Speaker 3: That right, what do you reckon? Josie, Josie from down country.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have to spend all the time in the lockdown.

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Speaker 25: I spent enough time in lockdowns. Don't lock down up me. Yeah,

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Speaker 25: I look at it and well, I was listening to

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Speaker 25: Luckson's comments about how voters are all customers. I was

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Speaker 25: just thinking, maybe the solution is like super markets when

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 25: they put photos of shoplifters up and that you're not welcome,

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01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 25: it's just name and Shane, and just say you're out

1334
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 25: for a while, you're on notice, go away and you know,

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Speaker 25: I don't know, hang out in the bush for a

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 25: while and come back when we're prepared to pictures of

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Speaker 25: you again. I mean electric, I'm just I'm sick of it,

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 25: really yeah. I mean the problem is there's legal issues,

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01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 25: aren't they around whether obviously, if it was a serious crime,

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01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 25: a delay makes it shouldn't make no difference at all.

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Speaker 25: I think this is there is an issue here. You'd

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Speaker 25: have to apply it retrospectively. I think you'd have to

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Speaker 25: apply it to any other case in the courts now

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Speaker 25: around any lockdown conviction or sentencing, so that.

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Speaker 3: It would help pandemic. If you wiped them. I think

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Speaker 3: you'd have to.

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Speaker 27: Don't you care?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't care. I don't see any value in

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Speaker 3: prosecuting these people.

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Speaker 25: No, silly, Let's just get on with it.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, Trish, as to Luxe and calling us customers,

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Speaker 3: what do you think.

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Speaker 27: I think he should own this?

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Speaker 3: I don't you know.

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Speaker 26: I think if if, if you're a if you're a PM,

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Speaker 26: and you'll continually being forced to apologize by the media

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Speaker 26: for different terms.

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Speaker 27: You've used, either, I think you're in a bad space.

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Speaker 26: You know, when Luxem was at in New Zealand, they

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Speaker 26: actually had something called Voice of the Customer, if I

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 26: remember correctly, and that is about getting ongoing and direct

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01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 26: feedback from customers about how you're performing, because that's how

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Speaker 26: you stay in business. And you know, i'd have to say,

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Speaker 26: as a customer, I probably feel more empowered than I

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01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 26: do as a voter, because as a customer I can

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Speaker 26: literally take my dollar from this shop or airline who

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01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 26: isn't doing good, and I can take it and I

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01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 26: can spend it over there.

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Speaker 27: As a voter, yes, I can vote.

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Speaker 26: Them out every three years, but in the meantime I

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01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 26: have to keep spending, you know, sending them my money,

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Speaker 26: So I don't think Luxon should resile from this. I

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 26: do disagree slightly on you know, sometimes the corporate speak

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01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 26: doesn't come across well.

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Speaker 27: And I'll give you an example of that. As a

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Speaker 27: prime minister.

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Speaker 26: Sometimes you have to talk about stuff that is really

1378
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 26: really it's bad.

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01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 27: It's bad stuff and people know it's bad.

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Speaker 26: And when you come in with a sort of uplifting

1381
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 26: corporate speek that you know, we're doing a fantastic job,

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01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 26: it just doesn't kind of wash. So I do think

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01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 26: he needs to teend for that, but he shouldn't spend

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 26: today backing down on you know, thinking about voters as customers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 25: The problem with this though, is no one went to

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01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 25: war willing to sacrifice their life for the specials at

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01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 25: New World Like. It just does make us sounds Brisco Brisco, yeah,

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01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 25: or you know, your local might a tend and it

1390
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 25: does just bring up this image of nothing not really passionate,

1391
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 25: it's nothing much that you're very excited about, quite transactional.

1392
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 25: I think that's a problem for the nets that they

1393
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 25: might sind sound a little bit like, you know, even

1394
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 25: the tax cut was the equivalent of a packet of Huggies,

1395
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 25: you know, it sounds like a special offer in your letterbox.

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Speaker 25: So the second problem with this, and the left and

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01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 25: the right are both guilty of this, that if you

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Speaker 25: treat customers voters like customers, it denies the fact that

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Speaker 25: we're also producers. We make stuff, right, The relationship isn't

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01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 25: just us buying stuff off the government. It is us

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 25: making wealth where wealth creators, where workers were out there

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 25: running businesses. So I think it's it sets a different

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01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 25: framework out that doesn't really help the NATS.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit one.

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Speaker 26: I'll tell you the good The good news for the

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Speaker 26: NETS though today again is Erica Stanford. Look at that

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 26: announcement today about getting kids who are struggling with maths,

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 26: getting them free tutors to help get them back up

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01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 26: to where they need to be. I think for National

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01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 26: she is a secret weapons the voters. She is absolutely

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01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 26: the MVP. But in terms of woman voters, and even

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01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 26: if you look at the press conference today, you know,

1413
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 26: once Luxan had done the opening, all eyes were on

1414
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 26: eric Hat and once again you know, she made a

1415
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Speaker 26: really excellent job of communicating what's going to happen and

1416
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 26: why and the outcomes.

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01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 27: So I think she is the MVP and the secret

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Speaker 27: weapony's too right.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you guys, both of you, Josie and Trisha

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Speaker 3: huddle this evening.

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Speaker 2: Red or Blue? Trump or Harris? Who will win the

1422
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: battleground states? The latest on the US election? It's Heather

1423
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

1424
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: US talks'd be.

1425
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 3: Oh, Heather, you sure have gone quiet on Trump winning,

1426
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: haven't you? Weeks of listening to your stupid predictions on

1427
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 3: the US selection. I don't think you do good research. Well, hello,

1428
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: have I not said at least twice today, if not

1429
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 3: three times, that Trump is still going to win the

1430
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 3: next election? So I haven't gone quiet on it? Actually,

1431
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: thanks very much, rude. Four away from six. Nichola Willis

1432
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: is going to be with us shortly. Actually we're going to

1433
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 3: talk to her about what's going on with the Family

1434
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: Boost About the family boost package was part of the

1435
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 3: tax package, and it was like one hundred thousand families

1436
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 3: we're going to get it. It looks like only thirty

1437
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: three thousand families have got it. I'm not gonna lie

1438
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 3: to you. I hate well middle class welfare, so I

1439
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: don't really care. I'm fine with that fewer people claim

1440
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 3: in free money. Fine by me. Labor's not stoked about it.

1441
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to her shortly. Now, what about this? Okay,

1442
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 3: I was reading the papers this morning and there's an

1443
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 3: article about my neck of the woods. It's got the

1444
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: headline is Pooka Koe, by the way, brilliant place. Pooka Koe,

1445
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 3: the once unfashionable Auckland town that's now thriving. Excuse me,

1446
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 3: Erin the reporter. Erin's obviously never been to pook Akobe.

1447
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: Since when has pooka Koe ever been unfashionable? No mention,

1448
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: no mention. Hire article was talking about how the populations

1449
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: are by a third in the last ten years. Got

1450
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 3: a flash new hospital that's actually very flash. The hospital,

1451
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: got the fancily electric trains coming in the house, prices

1452
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: above the met national median whatever. I don't know. Not

1453
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 3: once in the whole article does it explain to me

1454
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: why Pooka Koe's unfashionable? Just want to just want to

1455
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 3: set the record straight on behalf of my hometown, which

1456
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 3: is also to a cow, though in so anyway to

1457
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 3: a cow. Pooka Koe awesome since the start never unfashionable?

1458
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Speaker 3: What are you talking about Liam Lawson. By the way,

1459
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: it's from Pooka Koe, So just why place is going

1460
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Speaker 3: to take off in a minute. Nikola willis next, What

1461
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 3: what's down?

1462
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Speaker 1: What were the major calls and how will it affect

1463
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: the economy?

1464
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: The business Questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy,

1465
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: Allen and my Hr on News talksv.

1466
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. Shane Soley's going

1467
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 3: to talk us through whether the markets are still pricing

1468
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 3: a try when can we bank will talk us through

1469
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: why some millennials are still really really gloomy about ever

1470
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 3: owning a home. And Gavin Gray's with us out of

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Speaker 3: the UK seven pas six Nicola will as Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: with us Now.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Nikola, good evening here.

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01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 3: That did you make of the Prime minister calling voters customers?

1475
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 27: Oh? I think it was just a slip of the tongue.

1476
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 3: Why are you apologizing for it?

1477
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 27: Sorry?

1478
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 3: Why are you apologizing for it?

1479
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 5: I'm not apologizing for it at all. I think he

1480
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 5: was a slip of the tongue. I think, as he

1481
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 5: said himself, he does come from a corporate background, a

1482
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 5: commercial background. He's always thinking about delivery. He knows New

1483
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 5: Zealanders are New Zealanders.

1484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, maybe you're not apologizing for it, but you're

1485
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 3: explaining it away. But why, I mean, what's wrong with

1486
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 3: him calling voters customers?

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 27: Will?

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Speaker 5: You asked me why? And I think it was just

1489
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Speaker 5: a slip of the tongue. That's all I think there

1490
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 5: is to it. I reckon New Zealand has bigger challenges

1491
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 5: than whether or not the Prime Minister describes people as customers. No,

1492
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 5: I think New Zealand voters would rather we were focused

1493
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 5: on those challenges of course, hard and semantics.

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: Why is the Prime Minister always apologizing for his corporate speak?

1495
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 3: He should lean into this stuff. This is the stuff

1496
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 3: he's good at, isn't it.

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Speaker 27: Well.

1498
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 5: I think that he is very good at getting driven

1499
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 5: on outcomes and objectives and targets and accountability. But he

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Speaker 5: also responds to the questions that he gets asked by

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01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 5: the press and by members of the press gallery. And

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01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 5: that was one of the lines of questioning today. So

1503
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 5: he rightfully answered their question.

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Speaker 3: Explain this to me, because I don't understand this account

1505
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking at. I'm looking at Chris Lux and the

1506
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: guy from Unilever, the guy from a New Zealand. He

1507
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 3: was good at business. He comes to politics as he

1508
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 3: brings his corporate speak with him. It feels perfectly natural

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Speaker 3: to me, and as a voter, I'm pretty fine about

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Speaker 3: him actually trying to drive business efficiency out of the government. Right,

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Speaker 3: So why is it that there appears to be this

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01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: kind of move within the National Party or within the

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Speaker 3: government or whatever. I don't know. Maybe it's from your

1514
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 3: media minders. Why drive this out of him? Why not

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 3: let him actually just be the corporate guy.

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01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 5: Ah, certainly we let him be the corporate guy sense

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01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 5: of having those quarterly plans, those targets, driving results against them.

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 5: And frankly, if he calls New Zealand customers and the

1519
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 5: result of that is that they get better services, then

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Speaker 5: I don't really think anyone minds what they call.

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Speaker 11: Do they?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So why did he apologize for it?

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01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 5: Did he apologize so much as to say it was

1524
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 5: a slip of the tongue?

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Speaker 3: Well, what he said in the end, I think, and

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01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 3: I'm kind of paraphrasing it, but he did acknowledge that

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 3: he needs to sound a little less corporate.

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01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 5: I think he's just he's noted that some people criticize

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01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 5: them for sounding corporate. He said, that's who I am.

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 5: It reflects my background, which it does. And if you

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 5: don't like it, then you know, I hope that it's

1532
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 5: not going to affect you too badly. Host for the

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01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 5: kinds of words that he said.

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Speaker 3: I hope I've got into your brain, and I hope

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 3: I've infected you enough to go to him and say

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 3: to him, no, no, no, you're okay, carry on with

1537
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 3: the corporate talk. It's fine.

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 5: Will I will let him know I'm seeing him later

1539
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 5: tonight and I'll say this is stay corporate, be who

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01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 5: you are, talent.

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: Straight, and that's when the demise of the National Party

1542
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 3: probably starts. Taking my advice, but please pass it on.

1543
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 3: It's not as bad as he thinks. Now, listen, why

1544
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 3: is it on the Family Boost right Why is it

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01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: that only thirty three thousand families have claimed this childcare subsidy.

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01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 5: Well, if anyone is listening right now and they have

1547
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 5: a child in early childhood education and they've paid fees

1548
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 5: in the last few months, please go on to the

1549
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 5: IRD website and apply for your Family Boost payment. On average,

1550
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 5: families have got about three hundred and fifty dollars out

1551
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 5: of that that's well worth getting. That's obviously more than

1552
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 5: fifteen hundred dollars a year. So my advice is go

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 5: on and apply for it. I know that when you've

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 5: got young kids and you're busy and you're working, going

1555
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 5: on to a website can seem like a pain, but

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01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 5: it is worth it. There are literally hundreds of dollars

1557
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 5: available to you and it goes straight into your bank account.

1558
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 3: Is this a problem that it's just far too complicated

1559
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: a system.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not complicated. I've had direct feedback from people

1561
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 5: have said, look, it was a bit of a mental

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 5: barrier for me should I go on to the website

1563
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 5: that I went on And it was easy, it was straightforward,

1564
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Speaker 5: So that's the feedback I've had. Look, as I've said previously,

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Speaker 5: hither I would have much preferred it if no one

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 5: had to fill in any form, it didn't have to

1567
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 5: go on to a website. But the alternative to this

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 5: approach was a two year delay, and I wanted New

1569
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 5: Zealand families getting that money now, which is why we've

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Speaker 5: gone with this system.

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01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 3: How many families are getting that full amount.

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Speaker 5: The full nine hundred and seventy five I'm not sure,

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01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 5: but in order to get that full amount, you would

1574
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 5: have to have paid the maximum amount of fees, and

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01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 5: you would have to be on a low income.

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the average at the moment is about thirty

1577
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 3: two bucks is it a week or something like that.

1578
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 3: That's quite low, isn't it.

1579
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 5: Well, that's fifteen hundred dollars a year here, and actually

1580
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 5: that's pretty meaningful if you're a young family. That's a

1581
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 5: lot of money. That's a lot of groceries, that's a

1582
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 5: lot of baby clothes, that's a lot of formula.

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Speaker 27: And so i've heard.

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Speaker 5: Labor today pour pulling that amount of money, and I

1585
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 5: just put to the stay in touch with the reality

1586
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 5: of what it's like when you've got a baby at

1587
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 5: home and you've got a lot of costs to meet. Actually,

1588
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 5: thirty backs a week, that's me no.

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely fair point. But thirty bucks a week is a

1590
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 3: lot lower than was patch right, and it was patched

1591
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 3: about one hundred and fifty bucks a fortnight. What's that

1592
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 3: seventy five bucks a week, so it's about half of

1593
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: the maximum.

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 5: Well, we were always clear hither and I remain clear

1595
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 5: that that's the maximum available and people are eligible for

1596
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 5: a range depending on how big the childhood fees are

1597
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 5: and how big their incomers. And that's right because our

1598
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 5: approach in the National Party is that we like to

1599
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 5: target support are to those who need it most.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about west pax bumper profit?

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 5: Well, look, as I've said previously, what concerns me is

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01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 5: that our banks aren't competitive enough, and what the Commerce

1603
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 5: Commission has said is that they are more profitable than

1604
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 5: other banks around the world. And what I want to

1605
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 5: see is more competition so that we get a better

1606
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 5: deal for New Zealand customers.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, because I see Catherine McGrath, who's the

1608
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 3: Westpac CEO, is going to be before the Parliamentary Select

1609
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 3: Committee in about two weeks time, do you feel like

1610
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: this Parliamentary Select Committee is actually getting anything yet?

1611
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's got a lot more hearings to

1612
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 5: go and a lot more detail to dig into.

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 27: I know.

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01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 5: The questions that New Zealanders ask me about is why

1615
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 5: don't banks lend more to the productive sector, to businesses

1616
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 5: and farms that could generate economic growth for the country.

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01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 5: They ask me why Sometimes the appears to be a

1618
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 5: delay between the official cash rates falling and mortgage rates

1619
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 5: falling they ask me why they don't get a better

1620
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 5: deal compared to Australia, where some of the online banking

1621
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 5: products seem better. So I imagine all of those questions

1622
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 5: will emerge in the Select Committee over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've got anything out of the

1624
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 3: thing so far? Are you there?

1625
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 5: And chief executives of the major banks being held accountable

1626
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 5: by Parliament? That New Zealand's representatives can ask those chief

1627
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 5: executives questions directly and that they can explore these issues

1628
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 5: in depth. Yes, I think there's value in that.

1629
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 3: Okay do you think I mean, I've seen some predictions

1630
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 3: that this FTA that we've just signed to the GCC

1631
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 3: will be the last of the FDA's that we sign.

1632
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

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01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 5: No, I don't think that's true. You know, Todd McClay

1634
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 5: will credit to him. This is something that we've been

1635
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 5: going for almost twenty years New Zealand. He's been in

1636
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 5: as Trade Minister for a year and he's nailed it.

1637
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 5: He's delivered it and that's a great benefit to our exporters.

1638
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 5: And I think there could be more to come because

1639
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,879
Speaker 5: what you are seeing is that a range of countries

1640
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 5: now are pursuing these bilateral agreements rather than just relying

1641
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 5: on multi lateral you know, multi country agreements, and there

1642
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 5: is more potential for New Zealand in the future.

1643
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: Where would the next one be.

1644
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 5: Well, of course, one of the areas that we're very

1645
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 5: keen to progress stronger trade with is India. That's a

1646
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,759
Speaker 5: country that's on the agenda. And when we look around

1647
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:52,759
Speaker 5: the world, there will where we want to reduce those chaffs.

1648
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: Hey, do you want to have a punted picking who

1649
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 3: wins on Wednesday?

1650
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely not.

1651
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: Is this because of your own personal credibility or is

1652
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 3: this for diplomatic reasons?

1653
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 5: Look, I have I'm allowed personal views, but as a

1654
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 5: guardian of New Zealand's diplomatic interests, it is not appropriate

1655
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 5: for me to be running wages on the next US president.

1656
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 5: I'll leave that in the hands of American voters.

1657
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 3: Fair enough, Nichola, thank you, has always appreciated Nichola willis

1658
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 3: our finance minister. It's coming up sixteen past.

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1660
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Speaker 2: with Heather Duplicy Allen and Myr Ehr.

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Speaker 1: Solution for busy SMEs used talks it'd be.

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Speaker 3: Heather. I couldn't agree more. Chris Luxon needs to own

1664
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 3: what he says in stopping a whimp. He needs to

1665
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 3: man up and stand by his own statements. It's not

1666
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 3: going to change voter's views, just make them more certain

1667
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 3: of him. I think Bruce has nailed it. There is nothing. Look,

1668
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 3: he said, the thing is out there. He called us customers.

1669
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 3: So whether you get upset about it, you can get

1670
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 3: upset about it. If you don't care, you're not going

1671
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: to care. If you think it's actually a pretty smart

1672
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: way of approaching politics, you think that what happens then

1673
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 3: is Chris then apologizes for it. That's the thing that

1674
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 3: voters will remember. Nobody likes seeing a prime minister pushed

1675
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 3: around by the media, right, so he needs to stop

1676
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: being so sorry for being himself. Just be himself. Nineteen

1677
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Speaker 3: past six Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management with us.

1678
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Speaker 11: Now.

1679
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 3: Hey, Shane, Hey here that Oh what's a big Oh,

1680
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 3: I'm Shane, I'm here for this. Are the markets still

1681
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 3: picking Donald Trump to win?

1682
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 16: They are? They are and soon we're seeing you know,

1683
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 16: we've seen the market position for a Republican win What

1684
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 16: that means is that Trump winners have been rather to

1685
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 16: be outperforming. This is things like the US dollar, gold, crypto,

1686
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 16: all the US bank stocks have been pretty hot. They've

1687
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 16: run hard. Trump loses, things like the renewable sector. Any

1688
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 16: think with a teriff risk, Usk and Boynes they've been

1689
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 16: sold off suonly we've seen a real swing towards Trump winning.

1690
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 16: We know this is going to take time to decide,

1691
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 16: you know. Certainly last time round, back in twenty twenty,

1692
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 16: it took four days. Market didn't like it. It's pretty votor.

1693
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 16: Once we've thing it, we saw markets recover. But this

1694
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 16: time around, certainly. I think one interesting point is bond

1695
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 16: You is these tenure government bond years. They're used as

1696
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 16: a sort of a start point for investing. They've increased

1697
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 16: three quarters of percent from their low back in September.

1698
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 16: So there has been some really big swings, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Now, given that it is really close, and many say

1700
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: too close to cool, how do you reckon the markets

1701
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 3: are going to react to different electoral outcomes?

1702
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 16: Now?

1703
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: Great question.

1704
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 16: Look sort of three scenarios of divided government, which means

1705
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 16: nobody has really got control, that would actually see a

1706
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 16: pretty neutral impact for bond markets and equity markets bond markets,

1707
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 16: So there's been interest rates and divided government makes it

1708
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 16: harder for some of the legislation and sea some of

1709
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 16: the more extreme parts of the legislation that either parties

1710
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 16: talk about to get pushed through just harder to put through.

1711
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 16: So divided government kind of okay, republican clean sweep that

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 16: may see these long term magistrates. There's bond years actually

1713
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 16: go higher again just driven by stronger growth, higher inflation,

1714
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 16: and possibly the US would reserve not being so aggressive

1715
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 16: with its easing cycle.

1716
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 28: You might actually see the.

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01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 16: Sheer markets, see a little bit of a rally in

1718
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 16: the US, this tax burden for corporate spen lower. If

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 16: we saw a Harris win, we may actually see long

1720
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 16: term bond years four and also see the U S

1721
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 16: shear market for because that would mean higher corporate tax rates.

1722
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Speaker 16: May also see a bit of a relief rarely in

1723
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 16: terms of tariffs, and certainly we're positioned at harbor for

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Speaker 16: a range of different scenarios. It's really hard to call

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Speaker 16: out there.

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Speaker 3: If Trump wins and we have an increase in US tariffs,

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Speaker 3: what does that mean for US?

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Speaker 16: Look, I think you know, certainly these evolving international factors

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Speaker 16: that that increases the risk for New Zealand's economic growth.

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Speaker 16: You know, if we look at on balance the direct

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01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 16: impacts of tariffs on New Zealand's exports of the US,

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 16: it is limited the very heavy skew towards tourism with

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01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 16: the US trade versus the fact that a lot of

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01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 16: our agricultural exports can be moved to a lot of

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01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 16: different locations. They're fungible, easier to move to different locations. So,

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Speaker 16: you know, China is probably the interesting thing here. That's

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01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 16: still our largest export market. If there is a spillover

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01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 16: from potential increases in tariffs in China, there will be

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Speaker 16: an impact. But of course we're on the cusp of

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01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 16: another set of Chinese policy stimulus, so there could be

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Speaker 16: a bit of an offset. So the short answer is

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01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 16: we could actually be It will be a risk, but

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01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 16: it may not be as big as some people.

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Speaker 3: Thenk Yeah, okay, Now on the subject of the stimulus,

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01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 3: it's a big week for central bank policy decisions around

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01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 3: around the world this week. What are we expecting? What

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01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 3: does it mean for us?

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 16: Yeah, Look, we've got central banks responsive more than a

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01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 16: third of the global economy, set to hopefully reduce borrowing costs.

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01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 16: In the next few day is the US Federal Reserve

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01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 16: due to come out, and they are expected to cut

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01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 16: interest rates again instantly. We're seeing this after a long

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01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 16: period of interest rates being increased globally, putting pressure on

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01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 16: global economies and parts of our economy starting to go

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01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 16: the other way. So certainly this potential for low interest

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01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 16: rates is going to be helpful for our economy and

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Speaker 16: that's going to be helpful for our sheer market stuff.

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Speaker 3: Shane's always good to talk to you, mate, Thank you

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 3: so much. It's Shane Soley. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 3: Harbor Asset Management. We're gonna I'll get you across what

1761
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 3: key we bank's talking to us about. Just to take

1762
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Speaker 3: stand by six twenty three.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Dupleic Island and my HR

1765
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 2: the HR Solution for Busy SMS on News Talk zb

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Speaker 2: the or I'd.

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Speaker 3: Rather be a customer than stick a teddy in the window.

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Speaker 3: He shouldn't apologize. Kiwibank's just put out its State of

1769
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: Home Ownership report and apparently two thirds of people who

1770
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 3: don't own a home reckon they will never own a home.

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01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 3: These are millennials mostly. When you break it down with

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01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 3: like the number, it's because we're just talking about people

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01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 3: who don't own homes, right, and thirty three percent of

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01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 3: people don't own homes, So we're talking about to twenty

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Speaker 3: two percent of the country basically who feel like they're

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01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 3: never going to own home. That's quite high, I would think. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Steve Yukovic shortly after the news coming up.

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Speaker 3: Now six twenty six, Potential Capital has brought into Story Park. Now,

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01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,799
Speaker 3: this is interesting because a bunch of reasons this is interesting,

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01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 3: but Potential part of the reason it's interesting is because

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Speaker 3: Potential was having a bit of stouch with the Vista

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Speaker 3: Group because it's a shareholder there and it wanted a

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Speaker 3: special shareholders meeting. They wanted to put their guy on

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Speaker 3: the board of the Vista Group and blah blah. And

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01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: now they've withdrawn that, so that whole thing has gone

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01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 3: away because now they've bought him to Story Park. Now,

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Speaker 3: do you know Story Park. If you don't know Story Park,

1788
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 3: let me tell you about this. And this thing is awesome.

1789
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Speaker 3: It's a very cool success story. If you have a kid,

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Speaker 3: at ECE, they often use like at an early childhood

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Speaker 3: set eggy, they use story Park, so Iggy, my Boy's Kindy.

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Speaker 3: They get the parents to download the story Park and

1793
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 3: then they update this app. It's like a kindy app

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01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 3: updated with pictures of your little cad, what they're up

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01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 3: to in the butterfly house and all kinds of stuff

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: in the plan of that they're going to go to

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Speaker 3: the park and you know, all this kind of stuff,

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01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 3: so parents feel completely tapped in anyway. It was started

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Speaker 3: in twenty eleven by a guy from Gore because his

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Speaker 3: mum was working as an early childhood teacher and she

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Speaker 3: said to him, listen, can you set up an app

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Speaker 3: for me please? Because we want to get the community

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Speaker 3: engaged and we want to get people knowing what's going

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Speaker 3: on at the ECE and stuff. So he did. He

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Speaker 3: set this thing up for his mum. It is now

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Speaker 3: sold into eleven thousand centers in thirty seven different countries,

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Speaker 3: predominantly New Zealand, Australia and Canada. But thirty seven different countries.

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Speaker 3: How impressive it earns. They reckon probably about ten million

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Speaker 3: bucks a year. Potential has brought a majority steak and

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01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 3: as a result they've got. Why they've left Vista Group

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01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 3: alone is because they've managed to get this guy, the

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Speaker 3: guy they're going to put on the board for Vista Group,

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01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 3: they've put him on the board of Story Park. He's

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Speaker 3: now the chair and the guy who founded Story Park,

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Speaker 3: Jamie McDonald, is the CEO. And this is the interesting thing.

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01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 3: Potentia says it likes New Zealand because New Zealand has

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Speaker 3: an exciting tech scene, which is why Potentia has established

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Speaker 3: an office here. We're exploring a range of opportunities to

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Speaker 3: work with founders to take their businesses to the next level.

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Speaker 3: So well done. So what's his name? Jamie from Gore

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 3: with Story Park because man Alive Potential likes it. I

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01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 3: like it. Have you got it? Laura, Laura's producer, Laura's babies,

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Speaker 3: Kennedy's got it as well. The boss Jason has kids,

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01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 3: had it. Everybody's got the Story Park. If your kindy's

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01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: not using the Story Park, you've got to go and

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Speaker 3: ask them why. By the way, Select Committee's not gonna

1827
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 3: have to worry about what Catherine McGrath at Westpac Earns

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01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 3: we know statutory remuneration was two point two million Australian dollars,

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Speaker 3: so good, good for her, well done. Headline's next.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

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01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: my HR, the HR solution for busy Smy's on news

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Speaker 2: talks b.

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Speaker 1: A Babe before the first time.

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Speaker 3: Babe and Ray is with us spend ten minutes time

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Speaker 3: out of the UK. Hey see this. BYD has beaten

1837
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: the quarterly revenue of Tesla for the first time ever.

1838
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Speaker 3: Now you'll know BYD. You'll know the name because it

1839
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 3: advertises on the show. It's the kind of emerging and

1840
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 3: already quite gigantic electric car maker out of China that's

1841
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 3: really doing very well at the moment. BYD made forty

1842
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 3: seven billion USD in the three months ending September. Tesla

1843
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 3: made forty two billion. Massive growth for bid that year

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01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 3: on year their revenue growth this twenty four percent. And

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01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 3: sort of see when you look at numbers like that,

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01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 3: forty seven beats forty two, you can sort of see

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01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: why Elon might be a massive Trump supporter. I love

1848
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 3: and the idea of the tariffs on China a twenty

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Speaker 3: three away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Ever, do for c Ellen so kre We Bank has.

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Speaker 3: Just released its state of home Ownership report, and it

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01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 3: turns out that of those of us who don't already

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01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 3: own a home, about a third reckon they never will.

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Speaker 3: The boss of a Kiwi banker, Steve yukovicin with us

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01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 3: now is Steve hi Ever? Did you ask them why

1856
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 3: they think this?

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01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1858
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 4: We did.

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Speaker 21: And a couple of reasons that are probably not a

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01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 21: big surprise to listeners is the you know, the cost

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Speaker 21: of living, the amount of deposit that you've got to

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01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 21: get together, and I think you know their relative wage

1863
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Speaker 21: impact versus high house prices. You know, I think few

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01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 21: people feel resigned, and that's going to be a really

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Speaker 21: big gat Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I did the numbers again because I actually got the numbers.

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01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 3: I was talking about it before and I got the

1868
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 3: numbers wrong. If you take the number, it's about half

1869
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 3: of what I thought. So if you take the number

1870
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Speaker 3: of us who don't own homes, it's thirty three percent,

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01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 3: and then you look at a third of those, it's

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Speaker 3: only eleven percent of New Zealanders, right, is around about

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01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 3: ten percent of us. Actually that's stressful.

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Speaker 21: Well, it's an interesting point, I guess. I mean what

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01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 21: we found from doing the benchmark stuff. Is that you

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01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 21: don't really know unless you start to run these numbers

1877
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Speaker 21: and understand what sort of anecdotea.

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Speaker 4: And what people care about.

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Speaker 21: I think for that ten percent, they would argue that

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01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 21: they feel really locked out. I think many others are thinking, Lo,

1881
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 21: what's my pathway? And it was really interesting to me

1882
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Speaker 21: to how many people were thinking about a new route

1883
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 21: and you know, a new way to own a home

1884
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 21: in a different way.

1885
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Speaker 3: Okay, now before we get to that, because I do

1886
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Speaker 3: want to talk to that to you about that. Why

1887
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 3: are millennials though, bearing this harder than anybody else. It's

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Speaker 3: like seventy percent of millennials feel stressed out about it,

1889
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Speaker 3: and that's way above everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 21: You know, for that group of people that are in

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Speaker 21: that sort of thirty to forty four break, I think

1893
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Speaker 21: they are the witnesses of.

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01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,799
Speaker 4: A very strong growth in house prices.

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Speaker 21: I think they probably have navigated a whole lot of

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Speaker 21: different changes around the regulations and things like that, so probably.

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Speaker 4: All feels a little bit overwhelming for some of them.

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01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 3: Did you ask their next group down the gen Z

1899
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 3: is about how they feel about it?

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01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did.

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Speaker 21: And so for your listeners that's eighteen to twenty nine,

1902
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 21: they feel a little less locked down, and maybe they

1903
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 21: are seeing a different world where house prices haven't been

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01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 21: going up as fast, or maybe they haven't actually turned

1905
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 21: their mind to saving the deposit yet, or maybe they're

1906
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 21: much more thrifty and they've been saving well and so

1907
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 21: they feel good about it.

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01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 3: Does that potentially say though, then that some of it

1909
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 3: may be in millennials heads?

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Speaker 4: It could be.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I think what was really interesting was right

1912
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Speaker 21: across millennials, Gen X, Gen Z and boomers, more than

1913
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 21: half the people felt like they were going to get

1914
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 21: some sense of being locked out. So across all those

1915
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 21: generations there's a lot of people that feel like they're

1916
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 21: doing it tough. We did some stats on interest rates

1917
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 21: for the fixed year two rate from two thousand and

1918
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 21: four twenty twenty four. So the average two year fixed

1919
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 21: rate mortgage during that time was six point two to

1920
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 21: one and today with Kerry Bent, you can get a

1921
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 21: mortgage at five point six y nine. So you know,

1922
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 21: over a long run twenty years, the interest rates are

1923
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 21: about where they've been, but certainly they've gone up really

1924
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 21: steeply from recent times, So I think some stuff stays

1925
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 21: the same and a lot changes again.

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Speaker 3: Now, the alternatives that you were talking about owning is

1927
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 3: things like rent to own, co ownership, things like that.

1928
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 3: They're out there. Those things exist, but do they exist

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01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 3: on a large enough scale to kind of meet the

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01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 3: demand of people who want to know?

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Speaker 4: I don't think they do.

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Speaker 21: And I think it's a great point, which is one

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Speaker 21: of the reasons that we were thinking about doing this

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Speaker 21: research was, you know, how do we raise awareness of

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Speaker 21: these options? Because if we can raise awareness, then you'll

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Speaker 21: get more people who are keen to participate, more developers

1937
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 21: who are keen to do it this way, and so

1938
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 21: it's a bit of a virtuous circle. If we can

1939
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 21: get more people asking for it, then more people will

1940
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 21: develop it. More people develop it, then more people will

1941
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 21: get money lent to them.

1942
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Speaker 3: Hey, on interest rates, what do you reckon the RB

1943
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 3: and Z's going to do later this month?

1944
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Speaker 4: I think they're going to cut by fifty, not seventy five. No,

1945
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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

1946
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Speaker 21: I think seventy five just feels too much, I think,

1947
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Speaker 21: and there's no real need in my mind to do that,

1948
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 21: which is it's a very bold moved I think to

1949
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 21: go buy seventy five to fifty feels like gives people,

1950
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 21: you know, enough certainty around direction, but also allows people

1951
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 21: to have confidence that you know we're moving in the

1952
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 21: right direction.

1953
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Speaker 3: But what about the argument that it's still restrictive, right,

1954
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 3: it's restricted. They admit it's restrictive at the level it is,

1955
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 3: may well still be restrictive even with fifty shaved off it,

1956
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 3: and then we have to sit there, Steve, for three

1957
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Speaker 3: months with it until they come back from the summer. Hollibobs.

1958
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Speaker 21: I'm hearing you, Heather, But I think the risk is

1959
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 21: always that you know, you over tighten and overloose and

1960
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 21: too fast, and so I think fifty is probably most likely.

1961
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Speaker 21: I take your point about seventy five and restrictive, but

1962
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 21: I think fifty is much more likely.

1963
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 3: Hey, are you going to have to go and sit

1964
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: in front of that bank inquiry at Parliament?

1965
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 4: I am going to get that privilege?

1966
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 3: Yes, privilege, privilege or grilling? When are you doing it?

1967
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 21: We've got the Christmas surprise where I think we're the

1968
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 21: very last of the bench to go forward.

1969
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Speaker 3: That is that you are so lucky because by then, everybody,

1970
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 3: every one of us is probably already on a holiday.

1971
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 21: Aren't we don't say that hither you'll be glued to it.

1972
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure. Have you already put it out

1973
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 3: there what you earn because they're obsessed with that.

1974
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 4: Look, I'm sure they are. And I mean we'll get

1975
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 4: to cross that bridge if it comes to it.

1976
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well good luck. You might want to front

1977
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 3: foot that one, Steve, Thanks very much, Steve Yukovich, boss

1978
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 3: of kV back yet because you know mean you remember

1979
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 3: remember that had the thing with Antonio Antonia from A

1980
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 3: and ZID where they were like, how much do you earn?

1981
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:55,799
Speaker 3: How much do you? And She's like, I don't actually

1982
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 3: know because you stop counting, as I told you at

1983
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand, don't you once you got your sdis

1984
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 3: I learned this. Did you know that? That is like

1985
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: short term incentives? That's what they call them, the corporate speak.

1986
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 3: My friend told me yesterday, Once you put your sties

1987
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 3: on and nobody knows what you know. I mean, very

1988
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 3: few people will you know, have worked out what their

1989
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 3: base salary is plus their STIs and there no and

1990
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 3: I reckon you stop counting at five hundred thousand shares

1991
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 3: like multiples of that. So they were shocked. They were like, ah,

1992
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 3: how can you not know how much you earn? So anyway,

1993
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,839
Speaker 3: Steve better put it out there. He better be better

1994
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 3: be to the dollar. Last year, I earned X amount

1995
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 3: of money. Not that it's any of our business, but

1996
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 3: apparently it also is seventeen away from seven.

1997
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1998
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 2: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1999
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 2: and my Hr the HR Solution for busy SMEs new

2000
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 2: stogs FB.

2001
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 3: Hey, you know who I was telling you last week?

2002
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 3: I was raving about Todd McClay because he's managed to

2003
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 3: sign two free trade deals in a year and he's

2004
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 3: doing really well. Get a load of this, Okay, this

2005
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 3: is why he's doing it. By the end of this year,

2006
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 3: he will have traveled in the space of one year

2007
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 3: to thirty countries, some more than once. Now this is

2008
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 3: not a case of like being in Europe and then

2009
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 3: just popping over the border, right, it's New Zealand, Like

2010
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 3: it takes us an age to get anywhere, right, thirty

2011
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 3: countries some more than once, and he's about to go

2012
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 3: to China as well. That's why the dude is getting

2013
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 3: things done fourteen away from seven, Gevin Gray UK corresponding

2014
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 3: with us, Now, hey, Kevin, hi there Gavin. This business

2015
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 3: of throwing mud at the king in Spain and shouting

2016
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 3: at him and stuff like that, and people in desparately

2017
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 3: not being helped. It's like it's it's like medieval, isn't it.

2018
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 29: Yeah, it is, but there is huge anger around that

2019
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 29: Spain area, the region of Valencia, and that anger just

2020
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 29: boiled over. And yeah, certainly the security detail around the

2021
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 29: king and queen were very, very stretched. But with the

2022
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 29: death stoll standing at two hundred and seventeen, we are

2023
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 29: now waiting an update, and that is because they are

2024
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 29: going to now begin to search the underground car park

2025
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 29: of the Bonnair shopping center just outside of the main

2026
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 29: city of Valencia. There is a ramp leading down and

2027
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 29: it was absolutely full of water and is now being

2028
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 29: pumped out. And of course the big fear is that

2029
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 29: with some seventeen hundred car parking spaces there, they are

2030
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 29: going to find well potentially dozens of bodies, but they

2031
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 29: don't know yet, they don't know how many got out.

2032
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 29: They do know it was chaotic, but the authorities and

2033
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 29: the emergency responders are steal for what could be a

2034
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 29: really horrendous experience down there. Police talking about finding maybe eighty,

2035
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 29: but they're obviously hoping it could be many fewer.

2036
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 3: That's pretty gram I listen, Becking, you're part of the world.

2037
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 3: You guys have got a new value for money chief.

2038
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 3: Is this the right guy? Though?

2039
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 29: Ahh, that's a very very good question. And indeed how

2040
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 29: the people have been asking that over the weekend. So

2041
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 29: the governments set up what it thought was a great

2042
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 29: idea and it sounds good, a money for value for

2043
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 29: money chief. Indeed, they've even got a new department, a

2044
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 29: new office for value for money, and that new chief

2045
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 29: is called David Goldstone. So of course people immediately thought, well,

2046
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,799
Speaker 29: who's he to, you know, manage to get big value

2047
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 29: for money. Well, he worked as a top executive on

2048
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 29: the London Olympics, Parliament's restoration and the high Speed two

2049
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 29: rail link. What do all those three have in common? Yes,

2050
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 29: they all went well over budgets. So Downing Street is

2051
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 29: now having to defend the appointment, saying he's a highly

2052
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 29: experienced public sector leader with a track record of working

2053
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 29: on complex, high value programs, and then pushed about whether

2054
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 29: he was value for money. They said, yes, yes, of

2055
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 29: course he is. But you know what, you know, I'm

2056
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 29: afraid those three projects. Some people say, of course they

2057
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 29: went over money over budget, they all do these big projects,

2058
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 29: but it's the amount of money some of these projects

2059
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 29: have gone under, with the HS two line just every

2060
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 29: few you know months, going an increase in its budget,

2061
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 29: and the London Olympics costing three times as much as expected.

2062
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 3: Hey, what's the problem with the badges. What's going on?

2063
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,440
Speaker 29: Well, badger's here a bit like sort of wombats from Australia,

2064
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 29: of course, and they are a protected species here in

2065
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 29: the UK, so you can't just if you find them

2066
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 29: go and remove them. Now. The problem is they are

2067
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 29: extremely destructive animals in that they build these sets which

2068
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 29: are very deep and very big and have extremely large

2069
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 29: holes and tunnels within them, and they've been digging in

2070
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 29: the East of England under a road which has effectively

2071
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 29: meant it's had to be relayed.

2072
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: Now.

2073
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 29: The council wanted to do this urgently with urgent repairs

2074
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,879
Speaker 29: because it would be cheaper to do it with urgent repairs.

2075
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 29: But guess what, they had to get the permission of

2076
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 29: Natural England for a license before the work could be

2077
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 29: carried out because the badgers are a protected species. The

2078
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 29: delay has pushed up the bill and they're saying the

2079
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 29: Chemical Council has said it's costing roughly two hundred and

2080
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 29: forty thousand New Zealand dollars more than it would have

2081
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 29: done if they could have got that way with the work.

2082
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Quicker Anningkevin, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent.

2083
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 3: Here the quick question, why do all news TALKSB newsreaders

2084
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 3: pronounce it's Ireland with an Irish accent, so it's like

2085
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 3: Ireland as if they're saying it in priorate speak? Do

2086
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 3: they pronounce Paris as Paris or Italy as Italia? Just asking?

2087
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 3: Now you're not just asking. Grunt sent me a text

2088
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 3: because they started a thing I've had. I remember about

2089
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 3: ten years ago. I had a TV producer when I

2090
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 3: was working in Telly and we had this argument and

2091
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 3: he did not believe that you should pronounce Ireland Ireland.

2092
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 3: I think this is I stand to be corrected. I

2093
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 3: don't want to misrepresent him, but he thought it was

2094
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 3: Ireland like Ireland, like we are living on an island

2095
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,799
Speaker 3: where I was like but obviously it's an it's Ireland,

2096
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 3: there's an R, so I don't really understand, and maybe

2097
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 3: maybe once and for all, maybe you could please explain

2098
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 3: to me, Grant, what the issue with this is, because

2099
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 3: it's not as if you're you're not You're not all

2100
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 3: of a sudden adopting a French accent or Paris. You

2101
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 3: know you're not being a dick, are you? You're literally

2102
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 3: pronouncing the R in the word Ireland. What What's I

2103
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 3: didn't get it? What's the problem? This feels to me

2104
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 3: like the right way to say. Isn't it nine away

2105
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 3: from seven.

2106
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US? What

2107
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: will be the impact?

2108
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 2: It's the Business Hour with Hither Duplasy Allen and my

2109
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs news talk said.

2110
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 3: B hither I agree? What's with Ironland? Hither the R

2111
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 3: isn't pronounced? Joeanne says? Who who says the IR isn't pronounced?

2112
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 3: I just googled it. Google doesn't say that is who's

2113
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 3: telling you that? Old on? If I've got another email

2114
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 3: on it? Ireland is an English word, it would be

2115
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 3: Ireland as an island. Ear is the Irish word ere

2116
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,879
Speaker 3: you roll the R on that one. Well, now I disagree.

2117
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 3: There's an iron there. What did they teach you about

2118
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 3: the Queen's English? You pronounce every single letter. If you

2119
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,719
Speaker 3: can't do it properly, then you are not speaking English properly?

2120
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 3: Are you Ireland? Anyway? As it is, we've got into

2121
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 3: Brady with us tomorrow, haven't we. And what is he

2122
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 3: if not Irish? And he can speak English, so he

2123
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 3: can tell us how you pronounce Ireland in English. Now

2124
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 3: I've got something for your parents, okay, Like one of

2125
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,520
Speaker 3: the most I read this and I was like, hell yeah,

2126
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 3: one of the most stressful things about having a toddler

2127
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 3: is worrying about, oh my gosh, are they eating their

2128
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 3: protein and their carbs and all their vegetables and do

2129
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 3: they get enough Kiwi fruit in them for the vitamin?

2130
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 3: You know, Like you just stress out way too much

2131
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 3: about the stuff. Right, So I hate I hate nutritionists

2132
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 3: and all those people who or anybody who give parents

2133
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 3: a hard time about like unreasonably, like sometimes you need

2134
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 3: a bit of a hard time, like get this, get

2135
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 3: the kids off the screens, a little bit of screens

2136
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 3: enough yah blah blah blah whatever. But you know, when

2137
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, the baby pouches, don't suck the baby bear,

2138
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,560
Speaker 3: don't give the don't give the pureid food and the

2139
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 3: baby pouch or because apparently what it does is odd

2140
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 3: affects their oral language. I mean, come on, what baby

2141
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 3: between the ages of seven months and ten months is

2142
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 3: talking anyway, So it's not affecting their oral language obviously,

2143
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 3: but anyway, and the teeth. Oh, and it's gonna give that.

2144
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 3: It's gonna make them a giant fat baby as well. Anyway,

2145
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 3: Otago University problem with all of these people who are

2146
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 3: like dooming us for the pure pouch food hadn't actually

2147
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Speaker 3: done sufficient studies, right, They just looked at like they

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Speaker 3: just done crap studies. Basically, Otago University decided to do

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Speaker 3: a proper study. And what they did is they looked

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Speaker 3: at nine hundred kids at what they were eating, how

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Speaker 3: often they were eating the pouches, what it did to

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Speaker 3: their iron levels and their growth and their teeth. And

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Speaker 3: they found, guess what, parents of toddlers, the pouches are fine.

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Speaker 3: The kids can have the pouches, they're not having them

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Speaker 3: too often. According to the study, most infants are not

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Speaker 3: sucking from the pouch. Anyway, when they're under ten months,

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Speaker 3: they're sitting in a high chair, strapped in by decent parents,

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Speaker 3: were feeding them with a spoon. And when they're older

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Speaker 3: and they're sucking them, they're not becoming giant fatties, are they.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they found that in preschoolers, actually the overall

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Speaker 3: energy intake was slightly lower with kids who were sucking

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Speaker 3: the stuff out of the pouches, and no impact on

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Speaker 3: iron levels. So feel free to use the pouches, stop

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Speaker 3: listening to the people who were going to doom you

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Speaker 3: on everything that you're doing, and make your life a

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Speaker 3: little bit easier. Nobody wants you to peel all the

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Speaker 3: apples and boil the apples and put it in all

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Speaker 3: the little click clickie containers labeled with the date that

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Speaker 3: you did it in the freezer. Ain't nobody got time

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Speaker 3: for that. Go down, buy your out, don't feel bad

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Speaker 3: about it, and.

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Speaker 28: We're going to do the pretender by the food fighters

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Speaker 28: players out. I don't think we've got a development in

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Speaker 28: the Dave Groll story. You remember that Dave Grohld had

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Speaker 28: that mysterious social media post not that long ago about how.

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Speaker 3: Well it was he's been cheating on his lady.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, basically his father the child outside of his marriage.

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Speaker 28: He's going to be a father to that child. He

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Speaker 28: hired a divorce lawyer at the time, but apparently an

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Speaker 28: insider has told People magazine that he has now changed

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Speaker 28: his mind and is no longer working with the divorce

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Speaker 28: lawyer and is instead of hoping to work things out

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Speaker 28: with his wife. Of course, he is, well, I mean

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Speaker 28: it's good news. Obviously, I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: Did anybody ask missus Groll? Has anybody got missus Groll?

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Speaker 3: Have you still got your divorce lawyer?

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Speaker 28: Well, see, this is the thing. I just hope he

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Speaker 28: knows what he's doing. And he suddenly hires a lawyer.

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Speaker 28: A couple of months later, he's like, oh, no, I've

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Speaker 28: changed my mind. I won't go Well, of course he is.

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Speaker 3: This is just like leverage. Does she want to take

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Speaker 3: skanky Dave back?

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Speaker 10: Well, this is the thing.

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Speaker 28: I hope he's got a plan, because yeah, they're still

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Speaker 28: getting mess here and miss here.

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Speaker 3: Would you take skanky Dave back.

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Speaker 28: Based on this track record? No, I don't think I would.

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Speaker 3: No, I would take half his money and I'd kick

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Speaker 3: him out, would you? Laura? Laura Pete for producer. You

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Speaker 3: wouldn't take him back now it's a deal breaking for

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Speaker 3: mea do that kind of thing. You can pay me out.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very well, said hit the host and enjoy your life,

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Speaker 3: Dave by yourself.

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Speaker 12: Okay, see you tomorrow.

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